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In India, Gold Is Not Only Money But Now Pays Interest

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Despite Bernanke's previous protestations that "gold is not money... it is tradition," it appears the Indian government - having come to the rapid realization that any attempts to thwart the use of gold as a monetary equivalent merely forced the people to hoard the precious metal in ever larger amounts and ever more shadow, un-regulated, ways - now has a very different opinion.

In an effort to mobilise 20,000 tonnes of unproductive gold owned by Indian households into cash, Reuters reports that - after unveiling the gold monetisation scheme on Feb 28th, India's FinMin Arun Jaitley released bank guidelines overnight on interest rates, reserve and liquidity ratios. The scheme "allows gold to become a dynamic, fungible asset in the hands of gold savers."

As we previously noted - before India went full gold-curb-tard when the finance minister said "demand for gold must be moderated" - this chart from 2012 shows the staggering eightfold increase in India's gold loans "which monetize the idle gold in the country", in just four short years.

 

 

And now, as Reuters reports, India could allow individuals deposit a minimum of 30 grams of gold with banks in return for interest payments to help monetise large quantities of the metal lying with households, a step that is aimed at cutting expensive imports.

Banks could treat gold deposits as part of their cash reserve ratio (CRR) or statutory liquidity ratio (SLR), the finance ministry said in its guidelines released on Tuesday to seek opinions about its gold monetisation scheme. It said the stakeholders could respond to its suggestions by June 2.

 

The SLR is the minimum amount of bonds that banks must have, while the CRR is the share of deposits they have to compulsory keep with the central bank.

 

"Both directionally and in terms of content, this draft reflects a practical approach," said Somasundaram PR, managing director of World Gold Council's India operations.

 

"Once the incentive framework falls into place to the satisfaction of the banks, customers and others, we will own a uniquely Indian scheme that allows gold to become a dynamic, fungible asset in the hands of gold savers."

 

Indians' penchant for gold spans centuries and is rooted in the Hindu religion, with the Diwali festival being one of the biggest annual buying seasons. Gold also forms part of dowries and it is an instrument of financial security for 70 percent of India's rural population.

The government is trying to convince households, who sometimes have little faith in financial institutions, to break the tradition and hand over gold passed down the generations.

Under the scheme, customers' will have to deposit gold for at least a year and banks may pay the interest after 30 or 60 days of the opening of the gold savings account, the proposal said.

 

Both the interest and the principal payable to depositors are likely to be valued in gold and the gains will be tax-free, it said.

 

"Lower threshold for deposits and tax exemptions will make the scheme attractive for households," said a Mumbai-based dealer with a bullion importing bank.

 

But the biggest challenge would be to set up collection centres that can accept gold, the dealer said.

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We are reminded of the RBI's 2012 report on Gold loans and imports... whose purpose is to isolate the attractiveness of gold to the general population, and most importantly, prevent it, is that gold demand must be limited as the only control a collapsing central-bank based statist system has is in controlling "money" that is infinitely dilutable and can inflate away debt, not the type that actually has value, and that a central bank can't create out of thin binary air. Hence the report's conclusion:

Summing-up:

 

There is a need to moderate the demand for gold imports, as ensuring external sector’s stability is critical. But, it is necessary to recognise that demand for gold is not strictly amenable to policy changes and also is price inelastic due to varied reasons. What is critical is to ensure provision of real returns to investors through various financial savings products. What is also relevant is the need for banks to introduce new gold-backed financial products that may reduce or postpone the demand for gold imports. The Working Group believes that providing real rate of return to investors through alternative instruments holds the key to reducing the excessive  demand for gold. Meanwhile, there is also a need to increase monetisation of idle gold stocks in the economy for productive purposes.

 

As of now, there appears to be no close substitute to wean away investors’ attention from gold. Investors’ awareness and education is important, in this context, to channel the investment to gold-backed financial products. Banks and NBFCs may continue to deliver gold jewellery loans, which monetises the idle gold in the country. The gold loan market has grown well in recent years. It is time for consolidation of the operations of the gold loan NBFCs. The gold loans NBFCs need to transform themselves into institutions free of complaints, have proper documentation and auction procedures, with rationalised interest rate structure and have a branch network that is fully safe and secure. Gold loans NBFCs’ linkage with formal financial institutions may be reduced gradually. Such transformation ensures the gold loans NBFCs’ future growth more robust, besides making them a contributing segment to the financial inclusion process.

One can almost feel the panic.

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In short it proves that in India, gold is the only real money, and is the only fallback option in a country where inflation is still rampant, and where even simple peasants prefer to keep their wealth not in the local paper currency, which has been losing its value aggressively in recent years, but in the shiny metal. Must be "tradition."

* * *Full details of India's Gold monetization scheme below...

Draft Gold Monetization Scheme

What this means for the supply and demand dynamics of not paper, but real physical gold, we leave to our readers to decipher... or ask blogger Ben (if he's not too busy at his new hedge fund).

 

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Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:35 | 6115574 LetThemEatRand
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And the banks will give all of your gold back to you when TSHTF.  Promise.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:36 | 6115579 Pinto Currency
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Give us your gold, we'll give you some paper. Hmmmmmm.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:52 | 6115617 quintago
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Please declare your gold now.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:18 | 6115675 Supernova Born
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It's a tarp.

F that noise.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:23 | 6115691 0b1knob
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Deposit your gold with the banks and get INTEREST!!!

Didn't Vietnam offer the same deal to its people?   Followed a few months later by confiscation of all bank deposited gold? 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:44 | 6115753 RafterManFMJ
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Indian Sucker: I got a hundred-gram gold coin from my grandma and my dad said I need to put it in the bank so it can grow over the years.

Bank Clerk: Well that's fantastic. A really smart decision, young man. We can put that gold in a secure, interest-bearing unallocated gold account , then we'll re-invest the earnings into foreign currency accounts with compounding interest aaaand it's gone.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:47 | 6115961 prefan4200
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So now there is a place that pays interest on gold.  And there are other places where there are bonds that pay negative interest, ie. you pay them to just hold onto your money.  And of course, every piece of bad news now sends stocks rocketing higher.

I swear to God, you just can't make this shit up.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 23:36 | 6116079 OldPhart
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Kind of interesting that the bank titles it as a "scheme".  Can't be any plainer than that.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 04:38 | 6116464 AIIB
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The 'scheme' part is that after they confiscate it from you, they'll tell you don't have it anymore and stop paying you interest on it... This is almost as clever as the ones who charge you a 'storage fee' for the gold that you thought you owned, but wasn't in fact allocated to you...

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:10 | 6115812 Harbanger
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I hate to break the news to you suckers but it's not "the banks".  Their banks are NATIONALIZED, it's their GOVERNMENT that wants their gold..

"The Modi government is planning to launch a scheme in May that would encourage temples to deposit their gold with banks in return for interest payments, it is said.

The government is likely melt the gold and loan it to jewellers to meet an insatiable appetite for gold and reduce economically-crippling gold imports, which accounted for 28 per cent of India’s trade deficit in the year ending March 2013.

India’s annual gold imports of 800 to 1,000 tonnes could be cut by a quarter if temples decided to participate in the scheme, say government and industry sources. “We would be happy to deposit our gold to nationalised banks if the policy is beneficial, safe and earns good interest,” said Narendra Murari Rane, chairman of the trust for the Siddhivinayak temple, portions of which are gold-plated."

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/modi-government-eyes-temple-g...

 

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 04:47 | 6116470 Kaervek
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So let me see if I get this right, they want to use their peoples gold to loan it to jewellers, who in turn sell it back to their people. Now those people also get interest on the gold they buy and store with the bank, so how exactly are they going to reduce demand or imports? They are going to buy even more, save it with the banks to accumulate more interest, without additional imports this is just a paper gold pyramid. Only works if nobody ever withdraws.

Looks like a scheme to introduce a lot of suckers to the scam that is paper gold. This is not going to end well if you ask me.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:11 | 6115831 greenskeeper carl
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And even if you do come get your gold back from the bank, don't worry, we have your information, we know where to find you....

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:52 | 6115618 mvsjcl
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"The scheme..."

 

Precisely. Exactly what it is.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:44 | 6115603 Budnacho
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Yeah, theres that pesky logic and reasoning again.

 

I work with an Indian guy who has told me about whats going on over there, he told me that the people will never hand their gold over...period. Too much prestige and the showing of wealth with zero faith in their govt. 

 

 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:05 | 6115643 SHEEPFUKKER
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Isn't this really what most of the miners do? Hand over their gold for pieces of paper or blips on a screen? 

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:19 | 6116190 7.62x54r
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A lot of mines are being bought by folks who use them to convert money into gold stacks. They pay for three shifts of miners, and the gold gets stacked, usually off-shore.

Some mine owners are getting a clue.

 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:29 | 6115886 Larry Dallas
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Why do I see lots of older, brown people crying that they lost their gold on the cover of Bloomberg.com in the next 3 years?

Why did you buy it in the first place if you didn't want to keep possession of it?

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 07:14 | 6116632 StychoKiller
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Hmm, I know what General Ackbar would say to this...

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:37 | 6115575 Pinto Currency
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Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:36 | 6115577 kliguy38
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funny stuff......do you really think they're dumb enough to keep their gold in the safe hands of the banks.......heheheh

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:37 | 6115581 LetThemEatRand
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There are a lot of stories around recently like this one that pretty clearly suggest the powers that be are dying to get their hands on physical.  I'm "doomed out" from years of waiting for the collapse that I thought was coming years ago, but I'm starting to get interested again.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:59 | 6115631 lunaticfringe
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Me too. Hard to believe they duct taped and patched this pig together. Soon or later, the parts are gonna heat up and oil's gonna start gushing.

We shall see.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:25 | 6115875 greenskeeper carl
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LTER, I hear you. It's been a while. It will happen eventually and it will suck. Until then, enjoy the show. Im a same world, a government would be happy their citizens had 20000 tons of stored wealth in their hands. But we do not live in a same world. This is just an attempt to get physical gold without purchasing it on the open market and reinforcing the problem by driving the price up. It will fail.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:39 | 6115590 Perseus son of Zeus
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My all in price is $3725, once hit all other asset classes will soon have no value.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:00 | 6115638 lunaticfringe
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How did you arrive at that figure- some logic based figure or pull it out of your ass?

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:48 | 6115764 Freedumb
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At least it was pulled out of an ass, I'll give it some credibility, most figures these days are pulled out of thin air

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 05:21 | 6116513 jefferson32
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Here's the number pulled out of Bloomberg's ass.

"A move to a gold standard in China would require an exchange rate of as much as $64,000 an ounce, 50 times bullion’s price now, according to Bloomberg Intelligence."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-20/chinese-gold-standard-...

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:40 | 6115934 TheReplacement
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That is roughly triple the current price.  That is my guess on his logic.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:55 | 6115620 F0ster
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India knows what's coming. China, Russia, Brazil and SA are all in play with their gold holdings be it in bullion or in Ore. India is the only BRICS county with out its gold shit together. The BRICS death knell to the dollar is coming and India is rushing to get control of domestic owned gold in time.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 07:21 | 6116640 StychoKiller
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Here in the USA we have a saying:  "Tough titty said the kitty when the milk ran dry!"

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 20:55 | 6115623 fascismlover
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The problem India has is that the people do not need the government, unlike most all others.  The people have scraped along just fine and they will continue to do so. 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:09 | 6115654 Stormtrooper
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Backdoor confiscation?  An Indian version of being Cyprused?  Give it to the banks "and it's gone".

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:57 | 6115976 F0ster
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Except that India is the inverse of Cyprus. Everyone owning gold is like trying to compete with 1.4 Billion central banks of varying size and complexity.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:05 | 6115644 BarbaricRelic
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Muh "Tradishun".

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:08 | 6115652 BoPeople
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DON'T DO IT!!!! YOU'LL BE SORRY!!!!

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:15 | 6115669 Youri Carma
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Interesting scheme but has a couple of flaws I think.

First off banks have to be trusted to give your gold back when asked and secondly people have to be willing to participate with their gold.

I wouldn’t and I wouldn’t trust the banks either. Will the Indian people?

I smell rat, a smart way of gold confiscation. Government can change the rules any moment they see fit.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:18 | 6115678 Kyddyl
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Yesterday I was reading Bill Holter where he is persuaded that a good portion of the world  is totally fed up with the US and the US is hiding a failing system behind war, perhaps contemplating a disasterous first strike nuclear "hot" war. He posits that China will announce 30,000 tonnes of gold from an official audit, this based on an article from admittedly dubious Pravda. "While speaking of liquidity, this seems to be drying up across the board including the equity markets as volume has gone comatose.  U.S. economic numbers are unmistakably weak and recession will be known by the end of June or early July.  Another classic sign of illiquidity is the shortage of collateral available to the shadow banking systems in both the U.S. and in Europe,.  A “margin call” to a system undercapitalized and under collateralized is a deadly recipe."

Only today it comes not from China but from India as a sort of "margin call". Coincidence? China may well step forward and drop the US dollar to oblivion. Europe is very weak and at the mercy of what happens in Greece. Russia has been buying gold hand over fist.  Something's gonna give. 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:15 | 6115844 squid
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Qu Bono my friend.

 

China will do what's in China's interest.

1. Could China collapse the US dollar tomorrow? Sure.

2. Could Russia collapse the US dollar tomorrow? Sure.

 

But they won't because decisions based on emotions are for losers. Russia could, tomorrow announce that it will take payment for petroleum in Yen, Euros,Canadian dolars, whatever.... That would cause a US Treasury sell off because WHY would you need to hold US dollars if you can buy oil in something else? The Saudis, Iraqi, Kuawaits would have to follow suit.

 

China could dump US treasuries tommorrow if they wanted to.

 

But they won't be cause its not in their long term interest to. They have 1,200 billion of the damn things, why would they want to instantaneously devalue their holdings?

 

Everyday there is no confrontation with the United States China and Russia grow stonger and the USA weaker. China doesn't have to face the seventh fleet int he pacific, China just has to wait until the USA can no longer afford to fuel the seventh fleet in the pacific. if you can add and work a spread sheet, you know that day is coming. If gas goes to 100 bucks a gallon for Americans its also a hundred bucks a gallon for the Navy....a single destroyer takes LOTS of gallons. The only ships in a carrier task force that are nuclear are the attack sub and the carrier, the rest need diesel.

 

Russia and China will wait, buy and mine gold, let their economies peculate along and wait. That's not to say they don't have their own internal problems, they do. but one problem they do NOT have is a 220 trillion entitlement problem that you and I know congress and the Fed will try and inflate away....100 bucks for a gallon of gas my friends, that is coming. Not tomorrow of course, but its coming.

 

:)

Squid

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 23:10 | 6115964 Renfield
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<<decisions based on emotions are for losers.>>

You both make excellent points but I'm leaning to Holter on this one. I think to date, and for the VERY NEAR future (i.e., weeks or months), China & Iran & Russia & ROW have been following squid's plan. I am sure this is why PMs have been capped, lately with daily interventions. I think CHINA has been the one doing this thru its banking vassals (esp. JPig), setting the price at not so low that an instant sale is declared on PMs leading to a run on the market, and not so high that people will think they're a 'good investment' but rather will be inclined to shun them as poor. China, after all, is the world's expert at price-fixing and they know how best to do it to match popular psychology. Unlike all the other markets, which are so obviously rigged that even the MSM and central banks are starting to worry, the PM market rigging has been relatively subtle and very successful as beneficial for China. I believe this is because they are the main driver of that rigging.

HOWEVER, I have been seeing over the past 2 years the US making, as squid writes, "decisions based on emotions", to the point that their foreign policy is such utter chaos that even their allies are beginning to desert. Europe will not much longer support those Russian sanctions, Greece or no Greece. Europe cannot afford to be left out of the Eurasian Economic Zone, or the Chinese Silk Road, for much longer. US's stupid foreign policy blunders come at great cost to Europe, at a time when their own currencies and credit markets are in big trouble. Not to mention the social and political unrest as disastrous immigration backfires and 'terrorism' incidents continue to accelerate. In a time of economic depression, protectionism, and fear, no-one wants a hothead at the controls of the world's most lethal weapons.

In other words, the Anglo-Zionist Axis (as I call it), which is largely based in the US, is beginning now to OBVIOUSLY lose the worldwide currency war (WW3). As squid writes, decisions based on emotions are for losers and the AZ Axis has now made a series of such decisions. Threatening both China and Russia with hot war like this is the height of stupidity; no-one can support it. The entire Middle East hates them. Their decisions are becoming extremely destructive for all, and they are starting to look crazy enough to opt for world destruction rather than surrender. There may not be much time left before they become this desperate; and I am not sure that cooler heads are willing to extend more patience and wait, if this is the risk. The Anglo-Zionists are the only ones who want, or need, WW3 to go 'hot'. They will not be allowed to carry this out, and so they have already lost.

So, from geo-political events lately, I think that while squid has been right up to now and for a short time forward, at some point this year that patience is going to run out. I think Bill Holter is correct in his call on this one. The USA is about to suffer the same collapse as the USSR did when they became too crazy for anyone to work with. I agree that this is a big 'tell' from India, that the jig is just about up.

Here, BTW, is a link to Holter's article: http://blog.milesfranklin.com/here-come-the-truth-bombs

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:19 | 6115679 JailBanksters
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The Banks have been sytematically destroying all form of currency and Items that can be used as currency, they started with Silver, once broken they moved to Gold, once broken they tried to break Bitcoin then moved to Oil, once broken they then moved to Coffee Beens. What's next.

It has to be something recognised  and used Internationally, Diamonds ?. The Rothschilds run that, they are not going to tinker with that one. Beer maybe

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:27 | 6115700 Seasmoke
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Since Im stacking Bourbon, will go with that one

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:03 | 6115804 Its_the_economy...
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Don't stack it. Make it.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 05:40 | 6116535 shouldvekilledthem
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Anyone else suspects that 21inc is the troyan horse planned to break btc?

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:26 | 6115699 Zero Point
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Aaaand it's gone.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:33 | 6115723 tarabel
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Damn, I wanted that one. Now I got to think of something else to say.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:44 | 6115951 TheReplacement
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Biggest gold heist since....

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:34 | 6115725 honestann
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PERFECT and CONCISE.

Hahaha.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:31 | 6115713 indaknow
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There is a reason for the tradition ...such as when .gov comes round offering incentives. lol

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:33 | 6115720 honestann
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The government is trying to convince households, who sometimes have little faith in financial institutions, to break the tradition and hand over gold passed down the generations.

I hope the appropriate thought jumps into mind of everyone.

BAIL-IN.

The key phrase was "hand over".  Because once enough "hand over" their gold... that gold WILL BE CONFISCATED.  Sure, might be replaced with some kind of fiat, fake, fraud, fiction, fantasy, fractional-reserve debt-laden paper or computer-bits... but confiscated nonetheless.

DO NOT HAND OVER YOUR GOLD TO BANKS OR GOVERNMENT.

If you want to barter with gold with other non-corporate individuals, that's okay... if you don't need as much savings as you have.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:46 | 6115955 TheReplacement
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The average Indian probably doesn't have a test kit.

"Here is your gold plated tungsten sir."

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:24 | 6116202 7.62x54r
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The averge Indian buys jewelry.

You can test it for free by asking a jeweler or a pwn shop to make an offer on it.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 23:19 | 6116040 Renfield
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<<If you want to barter with gold with other non-corporate individuals, that's okay... if you don't need as much savings as you have.>>

Yup. There are certain appropriate uses for gold as savings:

1) Capital investment;

2) Medical emergency;

3) Long-term 'retirement' savings;

4) Fleeing for your life from the Nazis.

Outside of these, gold should be kept safe from all comers. Handing it in to a bank or a government in exchange for a bunch of promises is something only fools would do, and the PM market has been subjected to such rigorous discipline that there are very few fools left who have any gold. This isn't the 1930s, and Indians never were that dumb. (Jewellery is one of the better ways to hold gold, since in that form it cannot be so easily claimed as contraband.) I think he got it right who said: Gold is the money of kings, silver the money of gentlemen, barter the money of peasants, and debt the money of slaves.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:41 | 6116417 honestann
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Oh, and I forgot to say, any gold deposited in a bank will be hyper-re-re-re-re-hypothecated within days if not hours if not minutes if not seconds.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:53 | 6116430 Skateboarder
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ann, I've always wanted to know since knowing about these leveraged daisy chains, how many derivative dollars are ultimately generated globally by a deposit of one dollar in a commercial bank. Isn't that a decent question to have an answer to?

The computation is beyond my current knowledge base / skill set, and I don't think I care to acquire the necessary knowledge/skills to finish that computation lol.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 20:13 | 6119545 honestann
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Without any doubt whatsoever, that's an absolutely excellent question to have an answer to!  Unfortunately, as far as I understand how the fiat USD mechanisms work, the only individuals who have a way to know the overall answer (for the entire nation/world) is the federal reserve.

My guess is, even the federal reserve would only be aware of conventional forms of hypothecation.  What can be done via private mechanisms (contracts, agreements, etc) is inherently unlimited.  I'm not sure of the actual facts, but I believe I recall reading in ZH a year or three ago that not even the federal reserve knows the nature or parties-involved in that 1 to 2 quadrillion dollar market (forget the name of the deriviative market I refer-to at the moment, but you know the one I mean).

So, unfortunately, the FULL answer to your question is probably beyond the skill-set of everyone on earth.

The situation is likely even worse when it comes to physical assets like gold, because the fact that gold is just gold (something actually real and not some human fiat, fake, fraud, fiction, fantasy), nobody is in charge.  Umpteen mines find and purify gold, and distribute through umpteen other channels, none of which share data with each other (much less all of them).

Which is why someday a dislocation of enormous magnitude will occur in the physical gold [and silver] market.  And when that happens, the million or three individuals who have worn frowns and been bummed out the past few years... will be wearing the most enormous grins the world has ever seen.  Or close to it.

BTW, I believe the federal reserve claims the multiplicationis only 10 or 11 times, but that ignores all forms of leverage except the normal fractional-reserve phenomenon where the exponential explosion begins.  However, when you look at the facts of the matter, there is NO LIMIT to how far this phenomenon can multiply... given concerted and collaborative efforts.

For example.  Bank 1 gets $1M from the federal reserve.  The hold $10K and lend out $990K, which get deposited in other banks.  At this point the fed imagines the money is spent, and their fractional-reserve multipication scam ends.  But that's obviously not necessarily true, and 100% certainly not always true.  Every one of those $900K dollars lent out CAN BE left in the bank account of the fellow it was lent to.  Which means that bank can lend out 90% of the $990K dollars deposited to other banks, which creates another $980K new dollars outta thin air.

The point is, to some extent WITHOUT any coordination the multiplication significantly exceeds 10x.  But just imagine what financial institutions can do.  What if a chain (or closed loop) of banks informally agree to deposit the funds they get in yet another bank.  If there are 10 banks involved in this, the amount lent is approximately:

#0: $1000K
#1: $0900K
#2: $0810K
#3: $0729K
#4: $0656K
#5: $0590K
#6: $0531K
#7: $0478K
#8: $0430K
#9: $0487K

This loop can be repeated any number of times, though eventually the amount becomes too small to care about.

However, today the banksters have endless ways to multiply the effect at each step.  Any number of leveraged mechanisms can be applied at each step, including mechanisms as common as futures and options.  And since banks and some financial institutions are allowed to... on their own behalf or the behalf of their clients/customers... invest and make bets WITHOUT transferring ANY funds, they can re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-hypothicate endlessly.  They would object to me saying this, because they'd say "yeah, but even though we/they don't actually have to transfer the funds, those funds need to exist to back the bet/purchase".  Sure.  Which is exactly what re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-hypotication IS once they back more than one bet/purchase with those funds.

Of course endless details exist, but today those details are 100% irrelevant, because the banksters KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that they will never go to jail for violations of any "rules" that exist.  And so unlimited re-re-re-re-re-re-re-hypothecation is now possible.

In effect, the result is like going to Vegas casinos with a "special deal".  If you lose, they only take 50% of what you lost... but if you win, you get to keep 100% of your winnings.  How do I justify this analogy?  Simple.

If you are a bankster, you can book ALL your winnings and hide most or ALL your losses (via rolling them over or other techniques that make the transaction technically "incomplete" and thus not yet "booked").  By doing this, you can realize astronomical income via "incentives" and "bonuses".  So eventually, if you are a good better/investor, the worst that happens is "our profits we adjusted downward" (just like endless government adjustments to their statistics).  Or eventually, if you are a bad better/investor, the company goes bankrupt, the company clients lose their money (bail-in, bankruptcy or agreement when company remnants are bought-out), but you retire rich.

This is a WIN-WIN situation for executives of large banks and financial corporations and to lesser degrees for anyone who aids in the scam and gets payoffs.  This is a "win-huge" or "win-big" situation for predators, who now dominate every honest, ethical, productive, benevolent human being on the planet.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:37 | 6115732 bluskyes
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counter-party risk, collateral chain.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:40 | 6115741 tarabel
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So, let's see.

If I get everyone to deposit their gold with me...

I pay them a pittance in paper interest (and only after 60 days)...

Rehypothecate their gold, using part of the proceeds to pay them their interest and a bigger slice of the pie for me personally...

And keep the boat warmed up for the best possible day for a nautical accident.

This surely should benefit the only people that matter-- meaning me and my team.

 

 

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 23:24 | 6116053 Renfield
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<<Both the interest and the principal payable to depositors are likely to be valued in gold and the gains will be tax-free, it said.>>

'Are likely' to be valued in gold.

Means might just be valued in paper, in the event of some oh-so-unlikely black swan that no-one saw coming.

No-one with gold and brains is going to trust this promise. It's even in the language, right there, the chance of bail-in. Anyone who hands in their gold based on this is doing so because they're forced to, essentially selling it for paper, no matter what claims of trust they make in public.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:26 | 6116207 7.62x54r
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If you want paper promises buy GLD or SLV SPDRs.

Converting physical into paper is just dumb.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 21:55 | 6115785 Dixie Flatline
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Let's laud caste societies!

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:02 | 6115803 NoWayJose
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I would not do it with MY stack!

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:06 | 6115810 Cripkuwy
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Central Bank: "I want you to give your valuable stuff in exchange for a very portable paper promise in limitless supply, but I promise over time you'll get even more paper promises, OK?" You can't make this stuff up really...if the Indian population were to import too much cars would the central banks mobilize all the cars and pay interest with the sole purpose of cutting expensive imports?

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 23:26 | 6116056 Renfield
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They say the interest is "likely" payable in GOLD. So, technically speaking, you could choose to believe it isn't really paper. (Like the ETF market might not really be paper, either.) I'm sure there will be more public statements to this effect.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:16 | 6115846 Blopper
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I see this as an opportunity for the central bank of India to confiscate the people's gold in times of crisis.

Deposit your gold at an Indian bank and during crisis that gold will disappear.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:34 | 6115915 Slarti Bartfast
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The government is trying to convince households, who sometimes have little faith in financial institutions, to break the tradition and hand over gold passed down the generations.

Good luck with that.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:37 | 6115923 Conax
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Idle gold = Gold held by those other than banks, being wasted, not helping in the suppression at all. Tragic!

"..a dynamic, fungible asset in the hands of gold savers." = fiat in their hands, their gold then used to suppress the value of all gold.

The people of India buy too much from outside, so this is obviously to turn the accumulation into a circle jerk where it rotates continuously rehypothecated a hundred times like any other un-allocated gold account. And the people stop accumulating, which is all this is about.  Wean them off money and onto another bogus financial product, with the banks picking up all the fees, and HOLDING ALL THE GOLD of course.

Shameless fuckery of their people, all for the western powers.  Traitors.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:27 | 6116211 7.62x54r
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Hoarded gold is never idle. Hoarding it increases the value of non-hoarded gold.

Wankers.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 22:44 | 6115952 RSDallas
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FDR is smiling. The Indian population needs to stand firm here. Don't give your government your gold folks. The U.S. has already been through that immoral screwing of the American citizen who owned gold.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 23:27 | 6116057 Flying Wombat
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Indian Banks Worried About Government’s Harebrained, Desperate Attempt To Get Gold

TND Article Spotlight:  By Eric Dubin |

http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=466502

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 23:42 | 6116096 The_Prisoner
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Tradition, bitches.

Wed, 05/20/2015 - 23:47 | 6116105 indaknow
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The Indian government sounds like a junky........gimme your gold and i'll promise you whatever you want.

Strange for an old fashioned traditional barbaric relic

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:24 | 6116204 GRDguy
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The government of India reminds me of Wile E. Coyote, and the Indian people the Roadrunner.  Reruns of those episodes are taking place in India today.  The folks in India are NOT stupid. But the sociopaths within government will try anything, especially running off cliffs, collapsing into the dust, with stupid looks on their faces.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 00:42 | 6116229 Rory_Breaker
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I'm an Indian and all my gold stays in my vault or buried underground. There's no fucking way I'm trusting a bank with it.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 01:02 | 6116250 onmail
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ObamaTheCock$uckerofJuCabalVampireBanksters&Homo$exualNo.1 visited India recently & what did he discuss with Injun govt :

"Look we helped you win election (by tweezing electrons here & there , u know voting is electronic in india ),

Therefore , you now help our economy(read cabalbanksters) by giving us ur Gold. You suckdry the injun people of their gold and deposit it in New York, and we will be your best friends forever."

And Injun govt. gave US&Israel big billion $ orders for defense purchases (defence=basically burning money).
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Advice to ppl : Buy gold as much and never give to anyone. Remember Global economy is gonna crash and gold price will become DOUBLE within 12 months.
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Earlier East India Co. looted India & took all Injun treasury laden on 100 ships to Britain. Now the west wants to fool everyone to handover their gold and if not complies , then a threat of sanctions & war looms.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 01:54 | 6116320 Global Observer
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The world gold markets are running out of the physical metal at the suppressed prices. India is a huge importer of the yellow metal. This is an attempt by the Indian government to do its bit to postpone the day of reckoning and have some internal gold supply for the jewellery market when the futures exchanges will no longer be able to meet the demand for the physical and the spot markets break-free of the price suppression.

 

When the gold markets are emancipated from the paper gold, the price will shoot up in terms of the Western currencies, but the prices will be stable in terms of the emerging market currencies, especially the BRICS currencies. However there will be a short time when this adjustment is still not complete and the price of gold will become highly volatile if dependent on imports to meet domestic demand. At that time India will have to meet its domestic jewellery demand from recycled domestically available gold. The scheme will be discontinued once the global gold markets stabilise after the disruption caused by the break between the physical and paper gold.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 03:19 | 6116407 CHX
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India, meet paper gold.

Paper gold, meet India.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 04:56 | 6116485 zeroheckler
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In this context a question to the experts: I know that one can write calls backed by gold ETFs. Are there ways to do it with phyzz backing?

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 05:35 | 6116530 shouldvekilledthem
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Never underestimate human stupidity. The sheep will fall for this.

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 05:51 | 6116541 dellievan
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mmmm

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 06:02 | 6116550 dellievan
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mmmmm

Thu, 05/21/2015 - 08:30 | 6116777 Raul44
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I would not lend it to the banks even for interest, hope people are not that stupid over there.

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