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"Strongly Dissatisfied" China Warns US "Accident" Is "Highly Likely" In South China Sea

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Things are escalating rapidly in the South China Sea where Beijing has figured out an innovative solution to the notion of “disputed waters.” 

As regular readers are by now acutely aware, China appears to have adopted the maritime boundary equivalent of the old “possession is nine tenths of the law” axiom because Chinese dredgers have been busy for some time now creating islands out of reefs in the Spratly archipelago. Once the islands are complete, China promptly colonizes them. Next comes the construction of cement plants, ports, and 10,000 ft airstrips. 

Not surprisingly, Washington isn’t fond of China’s “sandcastles” and everyone from President Obama to the Pentagon is now shouting from the rooftops about territorial sovereignty and Chinese “bullying.” 

The US took it up a notch this week when it flew a spy plane over Fiery Cross Reef, presumably just to see what would happen. A CNN camera crew went along for the ride. What Washington discovered is that when it comes to protecting its new islands, bashful China is not.  “This is the Chinese Navy… YOU GO!” was the message that came over the radio. 

The rhetoric and sabre rattling haven’t let up a bit since then and in fact, there’s been a steady stream of quotables from both sides over the past 48 hours. Here’s the latest. 

Via Reuters:

The United States vowed on Thursday to keep up air and sea patrols in international waters after the Chinese navy repeatedly warned a U.S. surveillance plane to leave the airspace over artificial islands China is creating in the disputed South China Sea…

 

The incident, along with recent Chinese warnings to Philippine military aircraft to leave areas around the Spratly archipelago in the South China Sea, suggested Beijing is trying to enforce a military exclusion zone above its new islands there.

 

Some security experts worry about the risk of confrontation, especially after a U.S. official said last week that the Pentagon was considering sending military aircraft and ships to assert freedom of navigation around the Chinese-made islands.

 

The senior U.S. diplomat for the East Asia, Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Russel, told a media briefing in Washington the U.S. reconnaissance flight was "entirely appropriate" and that U.S. naval forces and military aircraft would "continue to fully exercise" the right to operate in international waters and airspace.


He said the United States would go further to preserve the ability of all countries to move in international waters and airspace.

 

"Nobody in their right mind is going to try to stop the U.S. Navy from operating - that would not be a good bet," he said.

 

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi last week asserted Beijing's right to reclaim the reefs and said China's determination to protect its interests was "as hard as a rock."

 

China has also said it had every right to set up an Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) in the South China Sea but that current conditions did not warrant one.

 

ADIZs are used by some nations to extend control beyond national borders, requiring civilian and military aircraft to identify themselves or face possible military interception.

And as if that isn’t enough, here’s more from a separate Reuters piece:

China said on Friday it was "strongly dissatisfied" after a U.S. military plane flew over part of the South China Sea near where China is building artificial islands, and called on the United States to stop such action or risk causing an accident…

 

Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said the Chinese military drove away the U.S. aircraft, in accordance with relevant regulations, labeling the U.S. action a security threat to China's islands and reefs.

 

"Such action is likely to cause an accident, it is very irresponsible and dangerous and detrimental to regional peace and stability. We express our strong dissatisfaction, we urge the U.S. to strictly abide by international law and international rules and refrain from taking any risky and provocative actions," he told a news conference.

It's impossible to overstate the magnitude of what China is attempting here. Beijing has literally created new sovereign territory in the middle of the ocean and is now effectively enforcing a no-fly zone.

And despite the rheotric out of Washington regarding how no one "in their right mind" would try to curtail the movement of American military operations, that is exactly what China did this week when it essentially told the P8-A Poseidon spy plane to either stop it with the spying or become a part of a reef underneath a Chinese sandcastle. 

We can't wait to see what happens next week.

 

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Fri, 05/22/2015 - 20:49 | 6123370 order66
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Y U No Go?

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:05 | 6123408 kaiserhoff
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The Pacific is a big pond.

As long as they don't cut off my supply of cashew chicken, I'm not worried.

 

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:39 | 6123486 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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What really pisses off the pentagram more than anything is it doesn't have the capacity to pull off a project of this magnitude...

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 07:34 | 6124125 Took Red Pill
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"Chinese “bullying.” The US is the one trying to force through the TPP!

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 08:38 | 6124188 random999
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I dont often support the USA when it comes to military actions, but in this case what china is doing needs to be stopped!

Most likely it will risk a war of uknown scale, but a chinese invasion of waters that clearly eighter international or belongings to malaysia, vietnam or philippines is in no way acceptable.

Some people might think; USA is doing the same with military bases all over the world. Wrong. USA have agreements with countries all over the world to station military in THEIR countries.

I'd say there is no point in waiting for anything, everyone who knows the chinese knows how this will end. Put hard against hard, not USA alone but entire western nations must help out on this one to make it work out. An alternative to military action would be a 100% trade embargo against the chinese but that would require heavy reforms in our economies for the financial system not to collapse, so our useless corrupt politicians sadly wont do that anytime soon...

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:24 | 6124263 GMadScientist
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You might take a closer look at American history between say 1890 and WWI. We did plenty of shit just like this or worse in the caribbean, central america, and ironically enough, the Phillipines.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:40 | 6124301 random999
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So in what way is 1890 and WW1 relevant? Go back a few more years and slavery was legal too and forward a few decades electric power would introduced to our societies, whats your point?

Most western (and other) countries have done their pile of shit back in the days, in what way does it justify China doing shit today?

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 00:51 | 6126176 qomolangma
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And do China claim some islands and islets nearby California???

Or do they claim some island in the other horizon over many thousand kilometers like the Argentina's Malvinas becomes the UK's Falkland?

 

China just claim something within their own backyards. And it's none of the Empire business. And if the Empire continues their provocation, something bad will happen for I do believe that China won't back off even one inch. In this case, the Empire's threat won't scare the Chinese away.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:30 | 6124275 shouldvekilledthem
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USA have agreements with countries all over the world to station military in THEIR countries.

 

 

"You will agree to have this base, or else we are going to attack you on every single non-agressive way first (economocally, financially and "digitally") and if you are still hesitating then using the military power."

Today, the American Empire is a lot more scary than the chinese and russians combined.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 21:34 | 6125803 SilverHo
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The "American Empire", you mean your freemason and Iumminaties created all over the world and especially in Western Countries.  But you should know, much more innocent people all over the world not belonging to your club(freemason and Iumminaties) and we are more massive numbers than yours.  Justice always standby our side.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 00:55 | 6126179 qomolangma
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@ shouldvekilledthem

 

+10  you started with italics, denying the upvotes

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 00:08 | 6123781 Doña K
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  "Y YU NO GO NAU" (????) in Chinese actually means: The meeting is tomorrow.

 

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 20:52 | 6123382 Cautiously Pess...
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It's a TRAP!

Signed,

Admiral Akbar

 

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 20:53 | 6123385 Joe Tierney
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In 1996 or so Bil klintoon rammed two aircraft carriers down China's throat by sending them up the Taiwan Strait, as a signal to "leave Taiwan alone!" The Chinese were intensely humiliated and profusely angry - they have since then developed weapons and strategies to prevent any repeat of such a humiliation.

 

So this time, the U.S. will no doubt try ramming more naval assets down China's throat in the South China Sea - but the outcome is going to be far different.

 

Go ahead, numb-nuts in the Pantygon, push China into a corner and see what happens....

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:25 | 6124265 GMadScientist
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Can't wait.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 11:46 | 6124575 angel_of_joy
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...So this time, the U.S. will no doubt try ramming more naval assets down China's throat in the South China Sea - but the outcome is going to be far different.

Exactly ! Hence, the not so subtle hint about a possible "accident"...

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 20:53 | 6123388 Reaper
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To kill an Archduke cannot be forgiven. To attack a navy in a Pacific Island cannot be forgiven. To sink a ship in Havana cannot be forgiven. An exceptional nation's pride goeth before its fall.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 05:29 | 6123941 the_narrator
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Whatever happens, the rules are far simpler than you imagine: Any attempt to replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency will lead to war.  We run the world.  Our dollar is legal tender -- EVERYWHERE.  Anyone else who wants out of that game will be on the other end of our military might.  This is high stakes poker pal.  We're the house and we get to decide what cards are dealt in what order and everyone else has to play along or else.  /murica

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 11:47 | 6124579 angel_of_joy
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We have a losing hand...

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 20:54 | 6123390 Stormtrooper
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Is the S400 Russian missile (which Russia sold to China) strictly ground-to-air for aircraft or is it capable of taking out ships as well?  We might soon find out.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:13 | 6123423 Jack Burton
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Strictly an Anti Aircraft and Anti Missile system. China does have Russian made Anti Shipping Missiles, but mostly just Chinese copies of older Russian anti shipping missiles. If China were to actually act in a naval sense, one of their Submarines could surprise a US Navy Warship. Like one did a couple years back, surfacing inside a USN anti submarine screen around a Carrier.

The US and China are heading for a real confrontation. At sea, things can happen, as local captains and admirals might have to act on short notice. Remember, when Bush became president, the Chinese sacrificed a jet fighter, to ram and down a US spy plane, that only survived by landing on a Chinese air field. That one came close, as if the US plane had crashed, Bush would have been forced by congressional Republicans to act militarily.

China can do some damage to US via their large reserve of US treasuries. They are likely now to push hard to end dollar hegemony. China also is going to back Russia to the hilt in Europe, something they were reluctant to do. Washington has some strange desire to push China and Russia into a non-declared alliance. The strength of the cooperation was seen when Russia sold the most advanced AA missiles in the world the S-400 to China. This one sale has ended US Air supremacy in Chinese skies. In other words, do not expect a US Carrier to lauch an Air Wing against China, flying into an S-400 protected area would result in perhaps 30% losses. 50 Aircraft, 15 shot down. No Airforce can sustain a loss rate of even 10%. So my bet is the USN would not launch air strikes. Missiles would be used, but S-400 was built to shoot down US missiles.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:33 | 6123472 Freddie
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It might be even worse than that if the USA is using the F-35 against China, assuming the F-35 can actually fly and work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITbGBmaqQkk

A Rand Corp. (the evil bastards who game nuke wars) said the F-35, F-22 and F-18s would get destroyed by the Chinese if they are using Russian Su-27s.  The F-35 was total junk and the F-18 was dated and aging junk.

This mirrors what Pierre Sprey has said about the F-35.  The Air Farce thinks air combat is stand off push button radar guided missiles but Pierre Sprey has said that is BS and at the end of the day, planes have to dogfight.  He said for 50+ years tha Air Farce has dream of long distance air engagements.

 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 02:00 | 6123919 blabam
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Lol ya guys US military sucks! Russian is awesome!!!! lol. People on this blog will suck up everything if it fits in with their US .gov sucks/ is evil believes. 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 02:35 | 6123935 Fish Gone Bad
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When things are really important, trust no one.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 05:54 | 6124052 Max Steel
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whtver helps yiu sleep pub .

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:35 | 6124287 post turtle saver
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many here have a pretty large blind spot when it comes to this topic...

the US military doesn't necessarily beat you with so-called superior tech (although they have it in spades), they beat you with training and most importantly logistics...

name a single country in the world that has a military presence in the Pacific (or anywhere else) that rivals the US... visualize just how many forward bases and depots can be stockpiled with the trillions upon trillions of dollars that have been spent over the years... name a single country that has the level of recent combat experience up and down the entire command chain compared to the US... you can't, no such animal exists...

when's the last time an Ohio class has ever been spotted in the wild against its will? that would be never... I can guarantee that a few well placed conventional Tomahawks aimed at Three Gorges would ruin China's shit in an instant, and there wouldn't be a damned thing they could do to stop it... the war would be over before it even began the Chinese would come to the table so fast...

the other elephant in the room that everyone is discounting is Japan... sure, you laugh, but I want you all to visualize what would happen if the US unleashed Japan into the region, no holds barred, against China and Russia... think on that for a moment while you dream of a handful of unproven S400 systems and Russian tinker toy fighters taking on the world...

this is not a pretty picture, no one wants this, but the Chinese have a loooooooooong history of acting too big for their britches when it comes to this stuff... they're in for a surprise if they keep this up... a rude, painful surprise...

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:56 | 6124460 Freddie
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Japan?  Japan is a dead country.  Killed by Fukishima and stuxnet there plus horrible maint by the Yakuza contractors.  Japan does not have a clue.   I do not hate the Japanese but their culture is totally **ked up  to allow Fuki to happen and continue.  There is arguably no fix for Fukishima and there is arguably no recovery.  You are ****king clueless. 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 14:34 | 6124900 post turtle saver
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like I said... horrible, myopic blind spots constantly displayed here on this topic... yours just adds to the pile...

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 02:58 | 6126277 americhinaman
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i have 3 friends (mid 30s) who spent a reasonable amount of time (over 1 year) in tokyo, post-fukushima.  1 has cancer, and the other 2 are sterile and unable to have kids... both health disorders very likely caused by radiation.  while 3 for 3 is too small a sample to be sure, but it's also too sure to simply ignore.

while living in singapore, immediately post-fukushima the government import spot checks found that the japs sent highly irradiated vegetables imported from japan.  while no one was particularly surprised during that time, what was notable was that the detailed investigation found that the vegetables originated from farms in the fukushima region.  the japanese had gone ahead and harvested what they knew were highly toxic foods and re-labeled them with packaging from a distant region... if i recall correctly labeled from hokkaido, i.e. a region in japan famous for high quality and safe agricultural goods even after fukushima.  then they shipped it abroad and charged others to buy the poisonous veggies.

singapore had very thorough screening around that time; hopefully they still do... but i don't think many countries in the world are as careful at their ports.  therefore i would strongly suggest that everyone avoid any buying goods originating from japan, unless that is you're trying to sterilize yourself or die young.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 14:24 | 6127210 napper
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Get ready for the 2020 Olympiad in Tokyo, Japan.

 

Or should they change venue?

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 14:21 | 6127203 napper
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According to some reports, seismic graphs for the Fukishima disaster indicate that it was not an earthquake in Pacific, but an explosion. Moreover, people in Japan, China, Russia, South Korea etc are calling it an "attack" instead of "natural disaster"

 

I haven't digged deep into this and don't know if everything alleged is true.

 

If it was indeed an explosion, it will be "first degree fun" to find out who planted the bomb to cause the Tsunami that destroyed Fukishima.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 14:59 | 6124953 napper
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Ohio class subs are nowhere near as stealthy as you claim. Being huge and nuclear powered, they display a wide spectrum of signature emissions. No country that can detect them would bother to disclose the capability, for obvious reasons, especially in the case of China. The most stealthy subs are small and battery powered ones.

 

The logistics advantage is good and sufficient for conflicts with small countries, not enough for countries like Russia and China, who can take out all US bases with missiles. (In the Korean War, the Chinese had no established economy, no heavy industry, no missiles, no navy, no air force, no tanks, no heavy artillery, no adequate clothing and food, and yet beat back well-armed UN / US troops and forced the largest military retreat in US history. In light of the vast number of US soldiers killed in a very short period of time, Truman had to declare national emergency, something not done even for WWII.)

 

Tomahawks are obsolete against Russia and China. They are too slow and easily jammed or fooled. It's been reported a while back that trained gunners could shoot down 50% of cruise missiles like the Tomahawks by sight, ie. without computer assistance. As for missile defense systems, you seem to be more confident than the users - the US military, where whistleblowers have been criticizing the gaps between inflated specs and actual performance in the field for decades.

 

Exactly what do you have to gain from a military conflict under false pretenses with China?

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 20:28 | 6125676 Demdere
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I believe that it is true from the beginning of written history that all nations which pursued military strategies lost.

There are no remaining Empires except the US of A, and none of us expect that to last much longer.  We are dying of the standard disease of empire, military costs and the consequence taxes that have killed the economy.  50% of the budget is military.

The only certainty about wars and battle is that you lose.  Even when carefully measured after an individual battle that you totally won on the field, you lost economically and in opportunities.  Someone is walking past you while you aren't looking.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:42 | 6124433 Freddie
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No Pierre Sprey and others think the F-35 sucks and is a piece of junk. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDSiwqM2nw

Sprey worked on the F-16 and A-10 with Colonel John Boyd andColonel Riccioni.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter_Mafia

I doubt you even know who John Boyd was.   

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 02:15 | 6123928 TheFutureReset
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I just left that life and I think manned fighters' days are numbered. 200 cheap drones can replace a pilot and jet for the same $. 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:28 | 6124269 GMadScientist
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Sad but true.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:07 | 6124354 Took Red Pill
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Don't be so sure. This just in; China electronically jams US drones;

http://sputniknews.com/us/20150522/1022471108.html

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 03:30 | 6123977 napper
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Forget the F-22 and the F-35. They are for show only and not ready for skies near China.

 

Worse, all the teen series legacy jets (F-15, F-16, F-18) are now outclassed by modern Chinese Flankers. (The original Russian Flankers had demonstrated clear dominance over the F-15 since 1992).

 

China has also acquired sufficient number of advanced anti-ship missiles against which the US navy has no reliable defense. China is now second only to Russia in missile technology, well ahead of the US.

 

Taking on China in a naval conflict in the South  China Sea is tantamount to suicide - the Chinese can sink the entire US navy several times over. Those big expensive aircraft carries may be good enough for bullying small 3rd world countries; they are sitting ducks against countries like Russia and China. I think the  Pentagon knows it.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 14:40 | 6124912 post turtle saver
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which is why they constantly steam through the Taiwan straits and south Pacific in general and China can do fuck all about it...

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 03:32 | 6124965 napper
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Your small mind will never be able to handle a simple chess game, much less a grand geopolitical chess game.

 

Your name reminds me of GW Bush - a prime pictionary choice for "post turtle" - he obviously didn't get on the top by himself; he couldn't do anything while he was there; and he couldn't come down even if he wanted to.

 

That's the kind of country you are living in right now. I'd like to ask you to think about fighting for your own rights first, but then you are so clueless it would be a waste of time.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 05:58 | 6124043 Dathedr
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No, you are not even close. S-300 are regularly shooting down those older Trochka ballistic missiles over Novorossia, and it's much, much easier to shoot down a plane than it is a ballistic misslile (due to enormous difference in speed). So, no, you are dead wrong about 15% kill rate, for planes it's north of 90% kill rate against S-300 (S-400 is mostly used for intercepting missiles anyway, but it's deadlier for planes than S-300 too). So Murican planes flying near Chinese borders would have death rate north of 90% against S-300, and we are not even counting other anti-aviation systems here. We shot down your Murican "invisible" F117 using old Soviet radar system from the late 60s early 70s in '99. Do you think they were "invisible" too?

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 06:58 | 6124088 blabam
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Everybody having a hard on for Russian missiles while the US already has laser weapons :'-).. why the hell would they build new ford class carriers if they are not able to defend them? Oh right... US military dumb durrr, Russia brilliant! Methinks most poeple on this website are falling for Russian propaganda when it comes to military power. 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 08:13 | 6124154 Dathedr
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It's not about "dumb" or "brilliant" you Murican idiot! It's about reality. And reality states that your carriers are dead ducks and can only be used against 3rd world countiers (and those 1st world which are occupied by Anglozionist Empire and who would seek its sovereignity back; which have no army of their own). Your F35 is a great example of that.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 08:41 | 6124168 blabam
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Looks like we have a butthurt Russian over here. I'm Dutch btw. Everybody agrees online that the F35 sucks.... that just tells me that it probably is a pretty good aircraft. Why did Russia buy two modern carriers from France if they are sitting ducks? Just accept that US is still top dog when it comes to firepower. Shit after a 90% devaluation of the dollar it still will be the strongest force on earth. That's reality for ya. 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:51 | 6124313 Dathedr
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Are you Dutch or Murican? Perhaps it's not clear to you yet, hm? I mean, it must be terribly confusing pretending to be the very people your ancestors exterminated in order to steal their land. And I see how stupid you are, Dutch-Murican, being confused about my origins after I clearly stated it in my opening post. You idiot! ehehehe

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:20 | 6124369 Dathedr
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Oh, I only just noticed that you resemble a dog. It suits you. And you are a good dog, aren't you? Always respond to master's call, hm? Very believing and ardent. ehehehe

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:45 | 6124438 blabam
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Didn't know that discussing weapon systems was such a personal issue for you. Thanks for the laugh. 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 11:41 | 6124562 Dathedr
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Discussing? Is that Murican meaning of of the word bickering? Go fetch me that birch I threw. Be a good dog. ehehehe

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:53 | 6124324 Dixie Flatline
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It's not about "dumb" or "brilliant" you Murican idiot!

I wonder who said:

And reality states that your carriers are dead ducks and can only be used against 3rd world countiers


Sat, 05/23/2015 - 14:37 | 6124905 post turtle saver
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dude, you're a fucking idiot

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:26 | 6124268 post turtle saver
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"This one sale has ended US Air supremacy in Chinese skies."

I'll take that bet...

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 20:55 | 6123393 mingkim
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Please dont make this region a nuclear walr zone.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:00 | 6123399 Jack Burton
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Not surprisingly, Washington isn’t fond of China’s “sandcastles” and everyone from President Obama to the Pentagon is now shouting from the rooftops about territorial sovereignty and Chinese “bullying.”

China has been very inovative, creating islands where there were none. I think this pisses off the Pentagon, because China figured this unique strategy that allows for little legal restraints. After all, can you claim China is acting illegally by building new land and then converting said land into an air base? The US must be pissing themselves for letting someone outfox them.

The US is lining up as many potential wars as possible. Taking Russia to the brink in Europe, taking Syria and Iran to the brink in the Middle East, and now China in the south China sea.

I know the pentagon can destroy a country like Iraq and Libya, and Serbia. But now they are punching in their own weight class.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:53 | 6123758 WhyWait
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Jack, I disagree about this being the US getting outfoxed.  The US move, while risky, is a solid one, good global chess, exploiting a critical Chinese weakness. 

Someone writing on the Saker site recently pointed out that Russia, and before Russia the Soviet Union, has been Vietnam's steadiest friend and supporter for the past 70 years, without ever wavering.  China's move in the Spratelys is seen by the Vietnamese as both an attack on their interests and on their national honor. It's an old festering issue dating back to the 1950's. Russia is now committed to an "indispensible alliance" with China, and the US is putting Russia in a position where it has to choose, and probably must choose China, which has the potential of busting up China's regional economic initiatives and helping the US draw Vietnam closer into its grip. 

If anyone could come out of this with a win/win solution it would be Vladimir Putin, but I don't see how.  

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 02:01 | 6123920 Flybyknight
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I think China and Russia have observed the mistakes the USA has made in its aggressive foreign policy and have learn't that there are other ways to extend influence around the world. China may set up a military airfield on their reclaimed land but it is unlikely they would use aggression where diplomacy may reach a solution

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 07:09 | 6124105 blabam
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Oh right building a military island in someones backyard is not an act of aggression? If the US was doing this everybody would be losing their shit on this website. 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:29 | 6124405 WhyWait
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Whose back yard?  OUR back yard?  China too has claimed those reefs forever and has a legitimate national interest in being able to protect free navigation in those waters.  And what's the US's interest?  Our right as Policeman of the World to be able to interfere with theirs?

That being said, China's interests would have been better served over the past 65 years by a policy of unbreakable friendship and alliance with Vietnam, conceding the Sprateleys to them and negotiating a major naval base on Vietnam's southern tip in return. Don't think they can do it now; the fat's in the fire.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 02:26 | 6123932 TheFutureReset
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The pentagon is pissed because they've wasted $billions war gaming Taiwan, now this innovation by the Chinese makes them go back to the drawing board and they feel unprepared. 

Andwhat if the US is being lined up on all these fronts, not doing the lining. The Russians and Chinese know the US will have to do something with each situation. 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 03:11 | 6123964 napper
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The Japanese had used this strategy in the Pacific well before China, albeit in open, uncontested waters. There were a few reports / stories over a decade ago about how some Japanese businessmen and politicians had advised the Chinese government on handling territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:57 | 6124465 geno-econ
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Jack is right in that the US can easily destroy nations, leaders and specific easy tergets, but can not occupy large regions and far away places.  Our oceans offer protection but are a hinderance logistically in maintaining control of land masses especially with occupants of different culture, religion and values. Additionally world wars require a great deal of energy consumption and patriotic fervor which is lacking due to lack of confidence in our political/economic system.  The more we push, the more we expose our weakness---unless you are a jingoist

Mon, 05/25/2015 - 11:28 | 6129326 epicurious
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Are the Sprattly islands in another county's 200 mile limit?

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:04 | 6123407 kchrisc
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Dear China,
You are bad, bad, bad. We will not let your transgressions against our soulless egos go unaddressed.
So if you will kindly loan us $50 billion fiat, we will then come and make you pay for your rough talk and actions.

Please let us know soon, as our MIC is chomping at the bit for reorders.

Sincerely,
Uncle Scam and Pa Zion.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:19 | 6123440 Freddie
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It is more kabuki theater for the US sheeple and Chinese.   Stir up some war drum BS to rile up the masses and distract them.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:08 | 6123415 Whalley World
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Reefer Madness

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 00:35 | 6123833 Kirk2NCC1701
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I'm waiting for Sinko de Mayo.

Sending out an SOS, sending out an SOS...

Did you get get Message In A Bottle*?

* SAM

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:33 | 6124282 GMadScientist
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A 100 billion T bills...washed up on the shooo-oooore.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:10 | 6123418 JustObserving
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US almost launched nuclear missiles against China on Oct 28, 1962 from Japan:

The main daily mission of Bordne, one of the flight-control specialists called Mech2, was to maintain the ready-to-launch status of Mace B missiles. Normally, once they started an eight-hour shift at the site, they “recycled” a missile, meaning powering down a missile, checking parts of the warhead, nosecone and flight control systems and returning it to ready-to-launch status.

 
“Oh, my God!,” Bordne recalled his colleagues as saying as they turned white with shock and surprise when they received a launch order before dawn on Oct. 28. The order was issued from Kadena to all four Mace B sites in Okinawa including Bolo Point, he said.

 
According to him, the three-level confirmation process was taken step-by-step in accordance with a manual by comparing codes in the launch order and codes given to his crew team in advance. All of the codes matched.

 
“So, we read the targets out loud. Out of the four missiles, we had only one headed toward Russia. The other three were not going to Russia. That, right away, gave us a start to wonder. Because the launch directive said you launch all the missiles,” Bordne said. His crew team was in charge of four out of eight missiles deployed at the site.

 
“And we figured, ‘Why hit these other countries?’ They’ve got nothing to do with this. That doesn’t make any sense,” Bordne said. “So, our captain, the launch officer, said to us ‘We’ve got to think this through in a logical, rational manner’.”


Finally, the launch officer figured out that the order had been mistakenly issued, Bordne said, but added he has no idea why such an order was issued. Even though Bordne did not specify which country had been targeted besides Russia under the order, it is believed to be China considering the Mace B missile range of 2,200-2,300 kilometers.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/04/01/japanese-news-agency-reveals-...

 

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:15 | 6123425 suteibu
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"It's impossible to overstate the magnitude of what China is attempting here. Beijing has literally created new sovereign territory in the middle of the ocean and is now effectively enforcing a no-fly zone."

Those losers.  They have to build their own unsinkable aircraft carriers.  The US just takes over peaceful indigenous populations who unfortunately occupy land of which the US covets (Hawaii, Okinawa to name 2) for theirs.  The Chinese will have to supply their troops with food and women whereas the US takes islands with both readily available. 

Those poor Chinese losers.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:14 | 6123427 22winmag
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If the Navy brass doesn't arrest the Fudgepacker in Chief soon, you might have a 5,000 degree day in your near future.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 02:14 | 6123926 napper
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Well, there are those puppet masters pulling the strings from behind the scene.

 

I'm not too worried. I don't believe the Pentagon is so retarded as to start a war with China yet, not near China's doorsteps anyway. It's not a conflict the US can win, not even if Japan and NATO could be dragged into it.

 

Filling the airwaves with phony crisis and propaganda does serve the need for diversions from the real crisis - impending economic and financial collapse.

 

To the extent that such tactics serves to push the value of the dollar higher, China will benefit substantially as she dumps US treasuries and buy gold in preparation for setting up the RMB as a new global reserve currency.

 

 

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:15 | 6123430 Cautiously Pess...
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I've got some news for our Chinese Overlords.  We have a nearly operational, ship mounted, NAIL GUN!  Booyah!!!

 

Edit: I have just been informed that it is indeed not a nail gun, but rather a railgun.  I was really excited there for a second, but not so much now.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 01:58 | 6123916 napper
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The Railgun isn't anywhere close to being operational. It's still in the tech demo phase.

 

Don't know about China's railgun. If its R&D progress is as rapid as China's progress in other areas, a weaponized version might be undergoing testing now.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:38 | 6124291 GMadScientist
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Is that what that bullet train crash was?

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 01:58 | 6123917 napper
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The Railgun isn't anywhere close to being operational. It's still in the tech demo phase.

 

Don't know about China's railgun. If its R&D progress is as rapid as China's progress in other areas, a weaponized version might be undergoing testing now.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 06:11 | 6124062 Cast Iron Skillet
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so it shoots like railroad rails? Cool! Plane won't fly very long if it gets speared with one of those ..

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:23 | 6123432 buzzsaw99
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You're gonna need a bigger pickle. [/chief brody]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-07/let-them-eat-pickles-chinese-so...

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:21 | 6123444 Berspankme
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I love it when the faggots in DC squawk about sovereignty. These faggots have no respect for sovereignty themselves. Fuck You DC, every one of you

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:26 | 6123454 bid the soldier...
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blech

everyone from President Obama to the Pentagon 

kinda redundant 

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:27 | 6123459 SubjectivObject
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Dear China:

This is not a bug, it's a feature.

Quiet as it's kept you are becoming our last hope for an econominc recovery.

And stop talking about accidents already; just do it.

TYIA, us.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:32 | 6123473 VW Nerd
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China is attempting to extend her reach into the south Pacific, not unlike what Japan did prior to WW2.  Both considered themselves a regional superpower.  Unfortunately, the global corporate/banking interests prefer a unipolar world where their sphere of influence encompases the entire globe.  Activities such as this they consider a threat to their lust for global hegemony.  Please think about this as you watch these events unfold....

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:41 | 6123491 suteibu
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No question the Japanese were after new territory and domination.  However, the Chinese are being isolated by the US with a stated goal of military and economic containment.  It should be easy to understand why China would want to extend its defensive capabilities as far out into the ocean as possible.  Any rational person would do the same thing.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:40 | 6124297 GMadScientist
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Yeah, that's why every Murkin has a minigun turret mounted on their mailbox.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:05 | 6123661 purple
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China wants a buffer zone against total US encirclement. Nothing like Japan in the 30's.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:23 | 6123695 WhyWait
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Japan was then engaged in a particularly brutal campaign to conquer China, plus had just engaged in an armed conflict with the Soviet Union.  Also as events proved Japan had its heart set on the rubber plantations of Vietnam and Indonesian oil.  

The comparison with today's China is a stretch.  China is responding to a very real and expicit threat to its vital trade routes by a nuclear-armed bully by setting up bases from which they could protect them.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 12:41 | 6124669 Freddie
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China has had a long history and memory of getting F'ed over by the West.   Particularly the opium wars with dope from the founders fo Yale and NE elites plus the London zio red shield gang.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:52 | 6123510 Dragon HAwk
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Just turn on HARP.. and send a few Typhoons their way.. problem solved

 

Get MIC on the phone how the Puck do we sink an Island...

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 00:25 | 6123819 Doña K
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<<< how the Puck do we sink an Island...[?] >>>

Simple: Start fracking nearby

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 01:49 | 6123907 napper
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The MIC has sunk the continental US, in case you didn't know. Of course that's  because they has the power over the US government.

 

Sinking a Chinese island will be a lot more difficult, because the MIC can't force the Chinese government into colossal debts. Besides, the MIC has been making money precisely because the Chinese government has been lending money to the US government. On that note, it would seem that the MIC should be more loyal to China than to the US.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 06:02 | 6124020 Tall Tom
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One small tactical nuke...small...turns that island of sand into Radioactive Glass.

 

Just one small one.

 

Maybe just one of them large thermobaric bombs delivered by a B2 Bomber will do the trick.

 

Of cpurse we will want them to fire the first shot...uh...like Japan in 1941 over Pearl Harbor on a late autumn Sunday.

 

If you have not figured it out the USA wants war. The MIC will do everything in its power to provoke one as the house of cards is collapsing as I write.

 

And when the Chinese win the survivors of the USA invasion will have to put up with the same which we did to Germany in 1945.

 

Oh I am not for any war, internal, external, domestic, or foreign. Really bad results are the outcome.

 

Check out what the Allies did to Germany...regardless of the horrors that they did to us.

 

Humans are very horrible and evil.

 

Watch it and do not eat as you may throw it up....watch the whole film. FORCE YOURSELF. Anybody who is pro war needs to watch this as they are really sick fucks.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF8Ud0xSv6g

 

(Thanks to  concious being on another post tonight.).

 

 

 

 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:45 | 6124436 Yen Cross
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  Wrong... The Chinese military has been largely monetized by the United States populous buying Chinese trinkets over the last 30 years.

 China hasn't been loaning the U.S. money so much as reinvesting it's huge trade surplusses in UST to peg  (weaken)their currency vs the $USD.

  China wouldn't be shit if it wasn't for that cock sac Nixon selling out U.S. manufacturing and trade in the 70's.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 13:51 | 6127115 napper
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Utter nonsense.

 

You are regurgitating the same old MSM propaganda, probably because you don't quite understand national finance and international trade.

 

Buying US T bills means loaning money to the US government!!

 

Many, if not most of those "trinkets" have been manufactured by American companies in China!! The American executives decide what designs to use, how much cost to expend, what quantities to import, and what prices to charge.

 

Currency peg is a complex subject in the arena of financial / economic defense. Suffice to say that the US / Wall St has been by far the biggest currency manipulator in the world. You are not ready for that.

 

As for "Nixon selling out U.S. ... ", sorry, the hyperbole is not even worth a rebuttal.

 

You've got a tons and tons of reading and thinking to do buddy.

Sun, 05/24/2015 - 14:31 | 6123908 napper
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The MIC has sunk the continental US, in case you didn't know. Of course that's  because the MIC has the power over the US government.

 

Sinking a Chinese island will be a lot more difficult, because the MIC can't force the Chinese government into colossal debts. Besides, the MIC has been making money precisely because the Chinese government has been lending money to the US government. On that note, it would seem that the MIC should be more loyal to China than to the US.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 21:56 | 6123522 bid the soldier...
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listen up

No Noodleman is an Island,

Entire of Herself (just a hippopotamus)  

There isn't a dime's worth of difference between what China is doing with the Spratlies, and what hypocritical England did when they took over the Maldives in 18th century.  Except England was a lot further away from them than China is from the Spratlies. Lots of countries used the Maldives for provisions when they sailed around Tierra del Fuego.  But in the name of the pimpled ass monarchy they now had to acknowledge English soveignity there.

Beijing has literally created new sovereign territory in the middle of the ocean and is now effectively enforcing a no-fly zone.

ENGLAND LITERALLY CREATED A NEW SOVEREIGN TERRITORY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN.....

 

You want Beijing to give up on the South China Sea?  Start out by England giving up the Falklands.  And Gibraltar too.

You asshole hypocrites of the West


Fri, 05/22/2015 - 22:41 | 6123610 The Darwin Mode
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"You asshole hypocrites of the West" --bid the soldier...

When the US annexed Hawaii in the late 1800s, Japan sent its navy over in protest... but that's totally different, yeah. We're America, and we made Hawaii safe for democracy! Just like Iraq. And Vietnam. See, we get to do those things. It's not hypocrisy, it's exceptionalism! God only wants one superpower, and that's us, baby.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 00:29 | 6123823 bid the soldier...
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US exceptionalism and manifest destiny undoubtedly will turn on a dime, if they already haven't.  How long did it take for the American economy to do an 'about face'? 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:07 | 6124232 mojojojo
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The "West" is not a single entity. No more than the "East", is. Using the past to justify commiting wrongs in the present is absolutely futile. That logic will obviously create more of the same anti-social behaviour.

 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:45 | 6124310 GMadScientist
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Okay England gives back the Fukkin sheep and China let's go of fucking Taiwan. Deal?

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 22:25 | 6123560 The Darwin Mode
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"Nobody in their right mind is going to try to stop the U.S. Navy from operating." --Assistant Secretary of State Daniel Russel

The proud American pounds his chest, feeling superior. Economic superiority has afforded us military superiority, but as can be seen with the V-22, F-22, and F-35 debacles, there is a point at which lavish spending no longer guarantees effective platforms. The corruption and attendant inefficiencies that plague the Department of Offense and the military industrial complex, combined with declining economic primacy, ensure that American military superiority is not long for this world.

The failed expansionist adventures that have peppered the Offense Department's track record this last half century have not slowed the expansion of America's superpower domain; this tells me we have not been truly humbled militarily, and the vain entitlement that germinates from such a lengthy period of "success" will be checked dramatically once that day of reckoning arrives. China and Russia know that our military superiority withers and dies shortly after our economic stature has been cut down to size, if not sooner (it's hardly believable that Lockheed is the same company that once housed the Skunk Works).

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 22:36 | 6123601 Anusocracy
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The SR-71 was a beauty.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 22:41 | 6123611 Zapporius
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Pocahontas was a beauty.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 00:59 | 6123865 Buster Cherry
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thought about them myself.

send one over everyday at lunch at 500' altitude wfo...might bust a few windows,

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:46 | 6124312 GMadScientist
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But a real bitch to keep in the air. :)

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:02 | 6123655 dsty
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Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.

Come on down ya'll

the big hit is on it's way

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 09:48 | 6124314 GMadScientist
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This is the problem with the most popular form of Western eschatology...the incessant deathwish; not that I'm trying to stop you. I just wish you'd stop trying to take everyone else with your dumb asses.

Why value ecology or conserve natural resources when it will only benefit the meek and you're on your way to meet the man anyway,right?

 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 11:28 | 6124535 Freddie
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V-22 - killing more American soldeirs than the Russians ever did.  Sort of like McCain and his pa killing US sailors and seeling out American POWs.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 22:34 | 6123593 Sizzurp
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How much virgin reef habitat has been destroyed  by building these "islands"? Nothing worth starting a war over, but what is next for these sea squatters? Can they just start building islands in whatever fishing or drilling grounds they please?

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:11 | 6123666 Karaio
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Look, I know some Chinese who have trade in the street March 25 in São Paulo-SP (Brazil).

Are kind people in conversation.

They are interesting people on a daily basis.

Most have no brothers.

Never speak of War (but I know that most had military training) .l

Only those who have been military identifies certain attitudes civilians.

Well.

A Chinese is to be unique, no brothers, a single individual being who must preserve the name.

A guy like that will preserve their DNA anyway.

Do not expect a Chinese surrender without first killing.

If you think that Japanese was insane at War (IIWW), the Chinese are much worse.

The Chinese have found here always say, "I want money, we will win equal."

Something very different from what happens with Germans, Americans and French when they arrive here.

The Chinese do not come to Brazil to enslave as did the Anglo-Saxons, they come here to improve some things.

The cool thing is that they respect the blacks, Indians, guys like me (white) etc., the intellect is king.

Not the party's color.

Or that is in the bank account (which incidentally they have much more than us).

Fight the Chinese Army ('m writing as a former military) is crazy.

There is no link between the guy you kill and a family, HE IS THE FAMILY!

Therefore, it will not die as easily as cannon fodder!

Well, I also know Russian, I am Slav by descent and I'm very proud.

You can believe everything in the Saker a Slavic, even living in Brazil and three years of experienced generation, never cease to be Slavic.

Be a brute.

Hard to turn.

:-)

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 06:51 | 6124086 GoldSilverBitcoinBug
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Chinese have tribal thinking: if one of them are hurt they will take revenge for it and that include you even if you aren't Chinese but got married with a Chinese wife !

That's why they are very powerful and they are discrete on top of that they will not try to impose things to peoples outside their community or change things in their host nation unlike a certain tribe...

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 22:54 | 6123637 b4real
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Hmmm,

 

"Nobody in their right mind is going to try to stop the U.S. Navy from operating - that would not be a good bet," he said.

 

I'd take that bet.  China has a Mach 10 anti ship missile (DF21) which assures that there will be no threats from the navy within 2000km of their coast, or sand castles.  That would be 7,621 mph or slightly more than 2 miles a second.  The days of aircraft carriers ruling the oceans has long past.

 

 

 


Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:02 | 6123656 deja
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Problem with that is scratching a carrier will make it go nuclear.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 00:47 | 6123846 bid the soldier...
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right before it sinks

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 01:37 | 6123895 napper
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I don't believe TPTB has the guts to go nuclear against China.

 

China knows who TPTB are, and where they are. Same for Russia.

 

The US does need war, because the economy is collapsing, the dollar is dying and the government is bankrupt. Got to place the blame somewhere.

 

 

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 22:55 | 6123645 Md4
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"Nobody in their right mind is going to try to stop the U.S. Navy from operating - that would not be a good bet," he said."

So, what do you expect China to do when we meddle in their affairs? Roll over?

Who claims the Spratley's, and on what basis?

If other nations presume ownership of these previously-submerged reefs, let them take their case to the UN.

What does this have to do with us?

m

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 08:03 | 6124144 ltsgt1
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It has everything to do with us. China is about to ditch the dollar via AIIB & CIPS wHich will be operational around September.
If TPP failed, dollar will no longer be supported by cheap labor. I suspect the petrodollar support is also shaky at this juncture since the Saudis think U.S. has failed to fulfill its obligation to protect Saudi from the Iranian nuclear threat.
We are at the end of the smoothly paved highway and much chose a new path at the cross road. If we choose to stay on the highway, we may fall off an unfinished bridge off the cliff. The new path will be rocky and uncomfortable but much safer and honorable.
With Obama in the driver seat and the rest of us were forced to stay in the back seats and kept quite - a strong bully like Reagan can avert war through show of strength, a weak bully like Obama invites war. The world is likely in for a rough ride.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:12 | 6123669 Aussiekiwi
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Why doesn't the US just start building its own island in the disputed area on behalf of another country in the area that also has a claim and drop an airfield on it, then x country that supposedly built the island could warn China to stay out of its own exclusion, China can hardly complain about another country doing exactly what China is doing.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:20 | 6123685 dsty
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Isn't ther a song about 

"Diego Garcia"

la la la lalala

la la la lalala

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:31 | 6123717 Karaio
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There is no Navy when it has Submarines!

hehe.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:40 | 6123735 Aussiekiwi
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Oh!, had to Google details of Diego Garcia, great reference DSTY,

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 01:41 | 6123900 Flybyknight
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Why doesn't the US fuck off to its own hemisphere and meditate on what a bad boy it has been

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 02:09 | 6123925 verum quod lies
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The lesson would be to find a spot that is roughly the equivalent distance from Red China as the Spatlys are from Vietnam.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:24 | 6123697 q99x2
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Arrest Duck Foo Young Dynasty and redistribute their stolen wealth.

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:36 | 6123726 b4real
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Maybe nuclear, maybe no.  I think USA will do like Irael did when Hezbollah damaged one of their ships...  Back the fuck up....

Here is some background and a good read on South China Sea issues.

 

 

 

 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 00:01 | 6123769 AChinese
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One thing in the article is true: almost all the problems in Asia are left by America. If not, probably by British.

The proposal in the end of the article is a lie: America will never be an honest broker. Never been, never will. USA gained it's broker position by carriers, not honesty. And it's record is horrible.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 01:28 | 6123892 napper
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You probably didn't know this, but the website you are referring us to (i.e. the diplomat) is a well-known US propaganda outlet in Japan. Zero credibility.

 

 

Fri, 05/22/2015 - 23:49 | 6123750 reader2010
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China believes it can fight and win a regional war with the US. Period. That would complete wash off all the humiliations they had suffered since the First Opium War of 1840.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 02:16 | 6123889 napper
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Nah, it's not about the past, not for China, who did a pretty good job humiliating the US in the Korean War. It's about territory, just like the case of Taiwan.

 

For the US, it's the same bully or mafia mentality - we are the biggest bully on the block and you will listen to us, no matter what.

 

It will be fun to watch how a bankrupt US government wage a war against her creditor, now far better armed than before, near the creditor's door steps.

 

Given the number of brain dead neo-con lunatics in the government and the pathetic showing of the US in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere, I'd say the US doesn't stand a chance against China. In fact, I suspect the US would be subdued on the financial and economic front well before adequate forces can be formed in the region.

 

An inept, bankrupt US government wants to take on Russia and China at the same time? That's rich.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 02:38 | 6123936 reader2010
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The true intention of the Chinese is to keep the Party in power. That's it. 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 02:49 | 6123944 farmerbraun
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And any and every demonstration of power is very useful to that end.
No other nation would ever do that . . . . of course.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 03:01 | 6123958 napper
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That's CNN US propaganda. However, the communists did come to power because people in China  were disgusted with the failures of the Ching court and the KMT (now in Taiwan) in fending off foreign invasions and interventions.

 

Securing China's territorial integrity has been regarded as one of Chinese Communist Party's most sacred promises.

 

If the Chinese government didn't back down in the 1950s when it had no navy, no air force, no heavy industry, no financial infrastructure, I don't see what makes anyone think that China would back down now when she has achieved overall military parity with the US.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:56 | 6124459 Anunnaki
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For the reasons you mention. Emperor Peace Prize's only hope against China is to go nuclear in the first salvos

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 00:25 | 6123818 Monetas
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Do those stupid bow "ski jump ramps" on Chinese carriers actually assist take offs .... I thought flying was all about airspeed .... WTF ?

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 00:44 | 6123844 bid the soldier...
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They do.  

When a plane comes off the carrier it is not travelling horizontally over the water, but on an upward arc, 15  or 20 feet further in the air than the catapulted plane.   

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 05:59 | 6124055 Tall Tom
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When a plane comes off the carrier it is not travelling horizontally over the water, but on an upward arc, 15  or 20 feet further in the air than the catapulted plane.

 

When a AIRCRAFT comes off an American Aircraft Carrier it is not travelling horizontally over the water, but on an upward arc, 15  or 20 feet further in the air than the PLANE of the DECK.  

 

FIFY

 

You are correct. The curve lessens the need for the sling on the catapult boot of American Carriers.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 05:55 | 6124054 goldhedge
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The Royal Navy seems to think so.

 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:53 | 6124452 GMadScientist
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Her Majesty's Rum-Buggerers also think Harriers are a good idea. Hedge accordingly.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 01:01 | 6123870 lolmao500
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Yeah until they man up and actually LOCK GROUND TO AIR MISSILES unto US planes, I call BS.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 01:18 | 6123884 bid the soldier...
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yea

ECCE AMERICA

Bombing Iraq.  Bombing Syria. Forcing the EU to sanction Russia. Warships cruising in the Black Sea, the Baltic Sea, the South China Sea, soon in the Arctic Ocean. Pushing NATO for war games in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia, Poland, Romania. Undermining governments in Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil.  Permitting the Israeli and Saud Arabian dogs to shit on the carpet.

And Ukraine.  I almost forgot Ukraine. The automaton Poroshenko taking microwave instructions from Big Nig hisself.

BRICS   they're all on America's shit list.

 

 It figures. 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 01:19 | 6123886 nah
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China wants to pretend it will last forever

.

on some artificial island near Vietnam and the Philippines

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 01:40 | 6123898 bid the soldier...
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Yeah.  

China is going to last as long as everybody else when the Sun goes red giant.

 

(Tsssss.    touches left forearm with right index finger)

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:54 | 6124454 GMadScientist
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But by then the Chinese will be building tiny islands on Titan.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 03:25 | 6123975 Omega_Man
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Dear China, if you tire of the Americans, do not get angry -  simply sell more treasuries and buy more gold and silver. At the same time take some of your million plus army and post them in Greece, various places in the Middle East and Africa, South America, Cuba. Set up bases with trade deals. Have your factories spit out missles, submarines, aircraft, ships. 

Have a large base in Gaza, Cyrprus. Get Greece and others to join Bric. 

Dump US real estate and ban trade for your goods in US dollars.

 

Pay no heed to Americans. They will shut the fuck up fast when you take these actions. And if they do not. continue above steps. When they attack you. Then wipe them off the face of the earth. Occupy USA and then restore polite Americans to police themselves. Let them grow food so that they may feed themselves. But never let them have any position of power again, or people from the evil tribe. 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:51 | 6124450 Anunnaki
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Love your idea of a Chinese military base in Gaza

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:56 | 6124462 GMadScientist
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You misunderstand the US-China symbiosis...though we consume only 23% of their exports, that 23% is the difference between their bubble staying inflated and not; they don't want a war with the US; they want to sit at the world economic table like adults....everything else is kabuki.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 14:23 | 6124877 napper
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At this point I think we still need to differentiate between Americans (the people) and Americans (TPTB, puppets in the US government, and those loyal to them in the military).

 

The former  are victims of the latter, just like those harmed, murdered, displaced in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and elsewhere. Many Americans may have been brainwashed by the media (the propaganda apparatus), but that's more of a serious flaw than a serious sin.

 

It's in China's interest to fight the criminals in the US government, but not to hurt the American people. (I know it's hard)

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 03:32 | 6123980 Omega_Man
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Seems to me, there are a lot of morons who do not realize that when the US dollar collapses ( as china can make happen at any moment)

There won't be too many Americans going to work to make arms, there won't be too many willing to sell them oil.. (dumb Canada maybe) even then the oil workers won't be showing up, 

The army may not even show up if they are not being paid.

The only ones working will be soliders on bases or out to sea, and soon they will mutiny when they hear about what is going on in USA - complete chaos. They will want to go home and fend for their families. 

War is not required to finish USA.

They tried it last fall with Russia. Didn't work. Russians don't care about money. When it happens to USA will be a different story. 

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 03:42 | 6123986 Omega_Man
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I am amused when I hear Americans and Canadians speak like they can actually win a war against China and Russia. And they keep poking and poking China and Russia.

 

poke poke poke as if there are no consquences.... 

China does not have to listen to anything the zio USA says period.

They can prob make a nuke sub per day, maybe two or four. I think they should

Americans have no sense at just how big China is. They have no clue whatsoever.

If China wanted to they could make an aircraft carrier per week fully stocked and manned. Keep poking!

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 10:57 | 6124466 GMadScientist
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Heck, they make the same sub four times, just to get it seaworthy.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 05:52 | 6124045 mojojojo
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US naval preponderance has been severly diminished by modern ASM's, submarines, and menacing carrier killer missiles like the DF21-D. Projecting force near China with CSG's was suitable in the past, but the game has changed since the mid 1990's.

Obviously the US has the largest Navy, but if the gloves come off and its time to get dirty (not just position and basically shout at each other), then surface vessels will start sinking. Missiles will be exchanged. Conventionally speaking, if cruise missiles hit mainland Chinese targets, then the Chinese could respond with DongFeng 21-D, and hammer the CSG's. US planes wont make it in Chinese air space, not unless their air defence network is down. Without its precious CSG's, Washington is toothless in the conventional sense. So, who is willing to push the Nuclear button first. If the CSG's start getting destroyed, will Washington go Nuclear. High stakes poker.

The challenge to US hegemony is visible. Will Washington sit idly by and begrudingly accept a more assertive and aggresive China, or move assets in and potentially crack off a war? I would expect some financial catastrophe to telegraph something more serious.

Lets wait and see.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 06:17 | 6124067 dsty
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If Jim Rickards is correct

There is a department of economic warfare in the Pentagon

I suspect that will play a part soon making China and the Brics very angry

Not sure if there will be warfare.

But I suspect it will be a time of CHANGE that some one has promised

Preparations for that are being made now, not just a practice run.

Masters of Human Domain they call themselves

Jade Helm.

Sat, 05/23/2015 - 08:04 | 6124118 Winston Churchill
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A major economic war weapon has always been counfeiting your enemies currency.

We now know who our true enemy is, and its not China.

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