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Rand Paul Blocks Extension Of Patriot Act, Future Of Illegal NSA Spying On Americans In Limbo
While an extension of the Patriot Act, that landmark bill which ushered in the America's Big Brother, "turnkey totalitarian state" (previewed here long before Edward Snowden's shocking revelations), is just a matter of time, supporters of the Fourth Amendment scored a brief victory last night when following yet another marathon 10 hour filibuster...
Will be seeing everyone overnight it seems. My filibuster continues to end NSA illegal spying.
— Dr. Rand Paul (@RandPaul) May 23, 2015
... and refusal to play by the script by Rand Paul, the Senate failed to extend the Patriot Act, leaving the future of America's "war against terrorists" but really against "enemies domestic", i.e., anyone who uses email, has a cell phone or in any other electronic way communicates with others, in limbo.
As the WSJ recalls Friday night's events, Senators first rejected a House bill overhauling the NSA, a two-month Patriot Act extension and then increasingly short extensions of the law.
Beginning shortly after midnight, the Senate narrowly blocked a House bill ending the NSA’s collection of bulk phone information, requiring the government instead to obtain court approval to request phone records from companies on a case-by-case basis. The vote to move forward with the House bill was 57-42, short of the 60 votes needed to clear the Senate’s procedural threshold. The bill had easily cleared the House with bipartisan support last week and was backed by the White House.
Which is ironic because less than a month ago a Federal Appeals court found that NSA spying on US citizens is not only authorized by the Patriot Act, but is outright illegal. So how and why Congress can even consider an extension to an illegal program is a bit of a mystery.
Following the defeat of the House bill, the Senate then blocked a two-month extension of the Patriot Act, the 2001 law that expanded the government’s authority to search for terror suspects. The two-month patch was defeated in a 45-54 procedural vote
Ironically, the showdown was between two Kentucky Republicans: the senate majority leader Mitch McConnell and presidential candidate Rand Paul:
Known for his meticulous, long-range political strategizing, Mr. McConnell had surprised many in the Capitol by taking on a fight with the House over the nitty-gritty policy details of the bill. In particular, Mr. McConnell worried that the House bill wouldn’t require phone companies to retain the phone records information that could help authorities spot terrorist activity.
“This is beyond troubling,” Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Friday. “We should not establish an alternate system that contains a glaring hole in its ability to function, namely the complete absence of any requirement for data retention.”
Which of course is a total lie: recall that just last November, the "Surveillance State Wins - Senate Votes To Allow NSA Bulk Data Collection To Continue." As a further reminder, the only reason for the existence of the NSA's massive Bluffdale, UT storage facility is simple: to store every electronic communication everywhere, and for ever.
The facility above is where everyone's back up phone records and emails are stored.
In the end it was almost entirely due to the objections Rand Paul that the Senate couldn't agree to pass even a 24-hour extension of the Patriot Act, the 2001 law that followed the September 11 events.
“This is a debate that should be had,” Paul said on the Senate floor early Saturday. He said he would have agreed to a short-term Patriot Act extension had Senate leaders guaranteed two of his amendments would see future votes and would be able to pass with 50 votes.
With the chamber’s two primary options exhausted, Mr. McConnell sought
to get an agreement to extend the Patriot Act for a week, and then
periods of four and two days and finally, one day. But Mr. Paul and some
Democratic senators, including Sen. Martin Heinrich of New Mexico,
objected. Mr. Paul has made the NSA program a centerpiece of his 2016
campaign, saying it violates Fourth Amendment protections against
unreasonable search and seizure.
Since in Congress every day is opposite day, some promptly spun the brief restoration of the 4th Amendment as "jeopardizing to Americans' civil liberties and national security."
“The Senate has failed to make the important reforms necessary, jeopardizing Americans’ civil liberties and our national security,” the House Judiciary Committee’s chairman, Bob Goodlatte (R., Va.) and top Democrat, John Conyers of Michigan, said in a statement with two other lawmakers after the House bill was defeated in the Senate.
Amusingly, as the Senate left for this week's Memorial Day recess, nobody had any idea how to proceed. Quote The Hill:
Leaving the Capitol, Republicans seemed confused on what their leader’s next steps would be.
“That's a really good question,” Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) said, when asked what would change between Saturday and when senators return to Washington for a rare Sunday session on May 31.
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) seemed equally unsure if Paul would accept a deal before returning to Washington.
"I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know. They march to a different drum,” the Armed Services Committee chairman said, adding that he was sure Paul’s tactics were “a great revenue raiser.”
McCain knows all about raising revenue: let's compare revenue raising dear war hawk neocon Armed Services Committee John McCain, shall we:
John McCain (source):
and Rand Paul (source):
We show this just in case there is any confusion who is just a little bit more detached from the interests of America's "main street" and middle class, assuming one is still left.
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Go Rand.
But it would be so lonely without Big Brother.
Finally showing some "cajones"!
When you're done with that Rand, stick McConnell and Obama's secret trade bill up their ass.
Dismantle it now.
But, but, but then the terrorists will be running around blowing up their underwear and, and the terrorists would win.
Based on the increasingly tyrannical police state, the terrorists have won.
Note how the terrorists and the collectivists have the same goal. It's like 1984 but slightly different players in the adversary role.
Future Of Illegal NSA Spying On Americans In Limbo
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It's clear to me the NSA and the shadow power will now, *finally* respect the rule of law - just do to this one incident. We've nothing to worry about.
Which one of those building has the ZH server?
"Go Rand."
Or maybe "Garand."
I see nothing about this on the Huffington Post, so, it didn't happen as far ad we are concerned. OTOH, did you know that gay marriage is legal in Ireland? Read all about it on the Huffpo. They also have a great feature on who Jane Fonda thought was gay. I won't give it away. You'll have to go see it for yourself!
I think they go by the name Kardashian Post now
Ah, when I'd go to Huff Po for "the news". Good times.
Now I just check in to see how the sheep are.
One day, Huff Po will relay some of Tyler's articles, and I'll be able to see the exploded heads in the comment section. "I'm not listening-la la la la la."
You misspelled "traitor".
The Gov is the terrorist.
There is a legitimate question of Federalism raised by this as "any power not explicitly granted in the Constitution is hereby granted to the States and their people"
Bulk collection of DOMESTIC data can only be assumed to be done for some type of nefarious purpose...and thus is more than a mere crime against the law or Constitution but is in fact a REAL crime against "the fifty States and their Citizens."
Since we do not have a draft an the folks executing on this Crime against "the Fifty" in theory they could be arrested and hanged if they ever left Washington DC.
And. Yes we had our Civil War over far more prosaic issues actually....
you are probably more likely to be murdered by a police officer than a terrorist.
But who will keep us free.......???
armies of paramilitary police forces of course.... how can you be free without thugs patrolling the street with bullet proof vests and automatic weapons.... you'll be so much more free once we can monitor every dollar you spend and put CCTV in your bedroom..... the ultimate freedom will come when your heart rate and vital signs are read by your apple watch and fed straight back to the NSA...
Does anyone really believe that this is going stop the juggernaut of computer dweebs on a government leash from snooping through what amounts to your checkbook stuffed in your wifes underwear drawer next to your day planner.
It's working so far.
Thanks to 1 GUY STANDING UP.
Just 1.
Imagine if he had some help?
Just imagine if McConnell & McCain had a nail gun accident.
"It's working so far.
Thanks to 1 GUY STANDING UP.
"
Rand Paul has utilized the Filibuster as a fundraising tool before.
P.S.
Dear FedUpUSA,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUMVmRbzTv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Vc3S0X5tA
-The Throxx Of Vron
Every downvote is an honor to me.
IMHO, Rand Paul is merely grandstanding for campaign contributions -just as any other politician does.
Smart people often do things that achieve multiple goals at once.
You might be correct and this is all theater. In this case, however, it is better than the usual theater. The frustration of McStain, Little Lindesy Graham, and McConnel seems palpable.
shish... where are the taliban when you need them... a couple of towel heads with RPGs on the hill above the NSA UT data centre would soon put a stop to this nonsense....
The States are granted the power to raise a militia explicitly in the Constitution as well.
"Just ask for volunteers." No shortage of gear that's for sure.
Should the Governors themselves order a "march on Washington" I can't think of anything to stop that actually.
Not that I have a problem with elections.
Just saying "legally speaking"...
Libertarians and anarchists wanted to run for congress and senate. Don't say no! You could help dismantle this monstrosity the communists, progressives and so-called Liberals have built over the last 100 + years. We need to learn from them. Most of you would say; no, no I am not a hypocrite I can run to perpetuate this farce. I say the progressives join government back in the early part of the 20th century not to perpetuate but to change. Now it is our turn.
Good luck with that. This monstrosity is not getting dismantled. It is going to get collapsed.
Libertarians and anarchists have egomaniacs and psychopaths too.
Some food for thought.
1) His use of "My" filibuster. Ok Rand, that ego is stickin' out. You did it all by yourself.
2) The funding organizations names are meaningless. Something named "Cute Kittens for Everyone Club" could mean something entirely different in terms of agenda.
I don't trust any cocksucker who works so hard to fool so many people such as a politician. No matter the stripes or colors.
before you can build something new you have to burn the old....
at a time like this, i think destruction of the old is more important than what comes after it... let our grand children build a better governance, we just have to burn down the old one by any means necessary....
NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN!
Most revolutions end by ushering in a system that is just as bad, if not worse than what was burned down. Start burning it down without some sort of plan for the future and we'll get what we deserve.
I disagree. Anyone who is powerful enough to define the next goverment is equally as malicious but simply less effective. Makes more sense to burn that second one down quickly with a plan for the future at that point.
That's fine, and you may be right. But there is NOTHING WRONG with trying to work within the system. It takes longer, but there is no destructive war -- so ultimately it may be better.
IF Rand Paul is real, we should support him. I say IF, because we don't know his true agenda. For those who insist there is only one way... well, that is just another form of tyranny.
That's true. Here's a plan for the future, and it even has something to say for what we do in the mean time that might help people form pockets of sanity when this corrupt system goes down... http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B0GACAQ
better know what you are going to replace it with! The left always had that as their goal but had no idea what to build. This is why the Left lost David Horowitz and many other that back in the 80's who moved over to the right and voted for Reagan.
I think you mistakenly believe Rand is a libertarian.
I prefer a slow and directed process of dismantling but I take the collapse as a less preferable alternative. However if we make the right decisions, the collapse may be quicker. It could also be bloody. At this point I will take either.
"Go Rand."
Are you under the impression that the government will actually quit spying on people or you're just hoping he hits campaign fundraising goals from this?
For all we know he's the public distraction campaign, while the NSA moves it's funding over to black ops... a few plane loads of heroin from afganistan will do the trick.....
People don't seem to be aware that all of the NSA bulk collection brought out by Snowden was already uncovered in the 90s, ruled unconstitutional, and "dismantled" aka pushed further underground.
Robot Traders Mom
My view on Rand is that he is being used as a "safety valve." If people see him as making some incremental progress then it keeps the peasants from boiling over. I think the statists are not really smart but cunning for sure. And they know this country is right on the edge of a boil-over.
So that's what I think. I think "Go Rand" but it doesn't mean I vote anymore.
I have to wonder how many ZHers might be talking out of both sides of their mouth: encouraging Rand, but not making contributions.
Libertarian is as Libertarian does.
Careful now, there may be more Jewish lightning to justify the ever increasing police state.
If you type in jewish lightning to google maps, it bring you to Citi Field in NYC. LOL.
But it's been so effective...
/s
Yes between that and the war on drugs they can't lose! Go Amoarikka!
Sometimes feels like, "a Boot is stepping on Merika's face ... for eternity."
#bringbackourfreedom
BlockitRandBlockit....Thanks for standing up for what is right (and against tyranny).
Everyone, brace yourselves for the next FF which will be imminent if this legislation is not passed or extended.
Fuck me, but you are RIGHT.
SHIT.
It's all just a set-up...but unfortunately, Rand Paul isn't the solution, either:
http://redefininggod.com/2015/04/globalist-agenda-watch-2015-update-20-t...
Ever hear of "Good cop/Bad cop?" The Paul's are the 'good cops' who will 'bring America back to constitutional values'...while the dollar crashes, America burns, and the Blue Helmets patrol our streets - and the word celebrates One World Currency.
Agreed. But would you rather have a good cop/bad cop setup....or just bad cops beating your ass and putting a jackboot on your throat 24/7. At least it is something different we can hope and hang on to versus the current shitshow in DC.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aOL1mJjKngw
The NSA shitheads are as we speak scouring their illegally obtained records for dirt on Rand and preparing for their planted reporters to release it to discredit him. One way or another, there is no way the DC establishment and their cronies will ever allow anyone who is even slightly libertarian to gain a position of true power.
How can such a vibrant patriotic Republicrat be discredited.
Certainly 'hope and change' rhetoric unbacked by difinity substancive results is not the providence of the Democans alone.
Controlled opposition exemplified by hubris and hypocracy, greed and deceit are not the hallmarks of both jerrymandering, overspending, loss socializing, oppressive tag-teams in power.
Bled and Rue are differnt colored animals where it comes to unsustainable debt, gross militarization and foreing interventions, foreign influence, economic plunder, corporatist lobbying interests, or any other relentlessly encrouaching malaise crippling the prospects of the Citizenry of the United States.
Why could anyone doubt the talking points or intentions espoused by any son of a deep state dynastic duopolist party that isn't a Bush or Clinton or a Kennedy or a Biden or a...
Surely I must be missing something...
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00030836&cycle=2...
"
Contributor Total Indivs PACs Club for Growth $106,515 $106,515 $0 Mason Capital Management $44,200 $44,200 $0 Alliance Resource Partners $40,650 $40,650 $0 Senate Conservatives Fund $32,085 $32,085 $0 National Right to Work Cmte $27,500 $0 $27,500 Corriente Advisors $24,200 $24,200 $0 Impala Asset Management $21,700 $21,700 $0 Bluegrass Cmte $20,000 $0 $20,000 Credit Union National Assn $20,000 $0 $20,000 Koch Industries $17,000 $12,000 $5,000 University of Kentucky $16,550 $16,550 $0 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $16,500 $500 $16,000 Alamo PAC $15,000 $0 $15,000 Citizens United $15,000 $0 $15,000 Huffines Communities $14,650 $14,650 $0 Amgen Inc $13,000 $500 $12,500 Forcht Group of Kentucky $12,750 $12,750 $0 Brown-Forman Corp $12,200 $7,200 $5,000 Morning Star Co $12,200 $12,200 $0 Griffin Industries $12,000 $12,000 $0"
Mainstream/core Replican Party PACs?
The Koch Brothers? BlueCross/Blue Sheld -one of the largest beneficiaries of the ACA?
Lobbying and legal firms, financiers, investment advisors, and government MIC and services contractors??
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/rand-paul-campaign-reform-ch...
"Once Rand Paul hit Washington, his plan—which would spell bad news for the Republican Party and conservative funders like the Koch brothers, whose Georgia Pacific has had federal contracts—disappeared. Paul has assailed the revolving door through which former members of the House and Senate pass and become lobbyists, and he has proposed legislation to force lawmakers who become lobbyists to give up retirement and health benefits. But there's been not a peep from Paul about limiting the campaign contributions and lobbying efforts of corporations (like Halliburton) that receive federal contracts. He has not introduced legislation in this regard.
What happened to his grand idea to limit the influence of special-interest money and lobbying in Washington? Paul's Senate office did not respond to requests for comment.
Rand Paul, though, has not been shy about accepting campaign money from the sort of special-interest wheedlers he has excoriated. According to data assembled by the Center for Responsive Politics, Paul has pocketed $83,000 from donors who have been registered lobbyists or who work in the government relations industry (or are married to someone who does). This list includes donors who toil for the top lobbying and law firms of Washington, including the Podesta Group; the Duberstein Group; Akin Gump; Quinn, Gillespie and Associates; Ogilvy Government Relations; and the Livingston Group. "
Looks like Obama needs moar Fast Track authority........
We filibustered some folks.
I hope Mc Connell falls off his bike and knocks his teeth out over the weekend. Spineless fucking sellout.
I doubt that he knows how to ride one.
I'm sure he's got a nice set of training wheels on his Huffy with tassels hanging off the handlebars. He rides the girlie version as he was neutered decades ago.
And no need for a helmet, the turtle has his own shell.
lol.
How dare you disrespect the Senator from Tokyo Prefecture.
... and refusal to play by the script by Rand Paul,
Wrong any good story needs protagonists and antagonists or else the bread and circuses don't work. They don't necessarily need to know what the script is to perform their function within the bigger story being put forth as 'reality'.
Masses and individuals are easily controlled by their emotions. This is how things like plausible deniability work to get people to automatically react.
Just understand this much airwaves don't give a fuck about governments or laws, anyone can take advantage of them. That is the slippery slope of going wireless, it works both ways, anyone can spy on those doing the spying by spying on the airwaves anywhere at anytime passively without having to break into infrastructure.
There is a universal language that everything understands it is called pulse code.
Laws against spying when the networks used are primarily wireless are useless as tits on a boar if you can't control access to the airwaves regardless the frequency band being used. They'd have to dismantle infrastructure and whole networks to comply with government 'law'. You think that is going to happen? The only law that applies to airwaves is the laws of nature and the wild, anything else is delusional thinking.
The only protection is encryption of the airwaves on the pulse code level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_function
It amounts to another Herculean effort by Paul to expose the Globalist's of both Demoncratic and Repubican parties
Worked out great for Kucinich.
At least Kucinich has a hot wife to fall back on.
...Or forward on.
There is no two party system, long gone and was a lie as well. Only Oligarchial/Monarchial rule here for a long time, just no one noticed.
It's called the Patriot Act because the Patriots were the enemy, when history is read and interpreted correctly.
AIPAC will chop his funding off and then poof. Away he goes.
Indeed. For two bits, what foreign nation is NSA's biggest customer? Oops, can't make that bet, the answer is a prohibitive favorite.
Dude never met a camera he didn't like. I'm sure his check will clear shortly.
I can see a little q99x2 in Paul. When he talks nobody listens.
I'll give his campaign something this year.
He also said Loretta Lynch's nomination for AG was dead in the water. Controlled opposition
The greatest threat to democracy, freedom and transparency is the military - intelligence industrial complex. They relentlessly subvert democracy, freedom and transparency by backdooring, hacking, infringing and silencing....yet are given so much power. This confirms the creep towards fascism.
Unfortunately most still can't piece together 2 and 2 and think its OK for the military-intelligence assholes to have this much power.
Yaada, yadda, yadda, the MIC and its military assholes can't do jack shit w/o cost-free proggie money. Next time properly id the real perps.
For all his good attributes, Rand Paul is very likely to say something totally stupid, and destroy his chances for the Presidency.
Tongue in cheek? Im sure when the appointed time comes, the MSM Discredit subroutines will be activated, and in a synchronous, high amplitude, and pitched din we'll be programmed to believe he said something, ahem, "stupid".
Exactly! It's not necessarily something 'stupid' in Rand Paul's eyes, and probably reflects his sincere beliefs. But remember Katie Couric drilling Sarah Palin about which magazines she read? And they already dinged Rand Paul on an interview where he immediately gets portrayed as hating women. The MSM loves a big Republican field that will likely attack each other (in violation of Ronald Reagan's rules). But once the Tepublican field narrows, the MSM will go after the leaders -- from off the record recordings, to high school records, to income and property - literally any dirt they can find. And my fear is the MSM setup questions that try to trap a candidate into admitting something that the candidate never said. You saw that the day Rand Paul announced. The slick interviewer started with "You said you are for ABC, and you voted for DEF, and your supporters are for XYZ, so how do you defend your view on GHI. Of course, the intent is to trap the candidate into saying something that either sounds bad or pisses off his supporters. Reference the Jeb Bush question on Iraq and the waffling that Bush has had to do.
I see Rand Paul as being honest and sincere, but he will be baited and the slick weasels in the MSM - even if you dislike them - are great at drawing out answers that look 'stupid'
What would an example be of something "stupid"? Something that the masses disagreed with? ...in turn, no vote?
"You try hard to believe that when you cast your vote it counts, but elections are won with money in ever larger amounts" Jackson Brown
It's all theater, the magician diverts attention to NSA spying with his right hand, while passing TPA with his left. The coincidents are in the script.
The greater evil of the NSA spying is that the NSA's results will be trusted. Everything the government says is a lie and everything from the NSA will be fabricated lies.
Finally, someone with some pluck to stand up to Their Assholinesses, McConnell and McCain. Don't let them off easy Rand, make them defend their treasonous and unlawful positions in public.
I gave him 20 bucks and a vote in the primary. Best 20 bucks I Eva spent. I will continue to support him but I hold no hope for the republic. We are done
Done?
Not so fast.
Good luck to any domestic or foreign fighting force tasked with dislodging tens of millions of heavily armed, highly motivated American insurgents.
I hope you know a little something about food production, because armies march on their bellies.
Most insurgents consider an army's food trucks and related logistics to be high value targets. Blow 'em up or hijack 'em.
Yes, but in the case of an insurgency, those food trucks have to come from somewhere, and given what such things would do to the stability of the dollar and the complexity of our industrial food production system, we might find that there are no food trucks to hijack or blow up. Decentralized food production that doesn't depend on the overall system brings resiliancy, but it is bad for corporate profits. It's not too late to start a garden this year or to get some chickens. Learn by doing.
Maybe he is not a fake-conservative shill for the Joos after all.
If I still voted, this would make me want to vote for him
I've never voted once.
I sleep well at night knowing I don't support a system that robs, rapes, and murders.
Say it expires? What to do the new $$$B building in Utah?
So what do our enemies do? Nothing (for a while) to show Washington is paranoid, overreacting? Something to make America quickly return to it's militant state and suppress its people?
Seems our phone companies have his info anyway as I can see it in by bills so what is the big deal?
NCIS looks at peoples records all the time without warrants? Are we being conditioned by TV?
This is just Right wing kabuki like the Dims voting down fast track on TPP for a week before they caved
1. TPP will pass
2. Patriot Act will remain
Getting my privacy back. Sweet! Now lets work on replacing Fed Reserve Bucks with real money again so we can be in compliance with the law.
Uhm, yeah... Good Luck with that one! I don't see that in the cards before the whole House Collapses...
<- NSA will obey the law
<- NSA will continue illegal surveillance
John McShitstain needs to shut the fuck up and die off already! As do the rest of the asssholes in the cesspool!
Mostly bullshit. You're never gonna put the toothpaste back in the tube.
NSA gets "forced" to stop mass data collection. No big deal, they just buy it from LEGAL outside sources, (non governmental agencies and private corporations, SIAC, google, facebook, Nexus / Lexus...etc...) which is perfectly legal and not covered under any current laws. Hell, a recent retiree of NSA can then start their own corporation and NSA can then pay THEM to disseminate all information......again 100% legally.
Precisely. Most people missed the really scary part of the Snowden revelations, and all of this. When Snowden was doing the snooping, he wasn't working for the NSA. He was working for Booz/Allen/Hamilton, a private corporation. All the legal prohibitions apply to agencies of the government. Booz/Allen/Hamilton is not an agency of the government. Therefore, everything Snowden did was lawful no matter what the laws said, because the laws aren't directed at Booz/Allen/Hamilton.
I don't mean to pick on one company. Everything you post on Facebook is their property the moment click "Send." It's been the key to their business since Zuckerberg started the prototype at Harvard. I saw corporate Security guys log onto somebody's Facebook page with a master password of some kind, because they'd been told he posted some stuff they considered secret. He had his profile locked down so only "Friends" could see it, but they got right in. When I tell people that story, they sputter that it was an illegal hack, or something. No, it wasn't. Facebook owned that material, and it seems Facebook sold these corporate spooks a master key, to look at stuff Facebook actually owns. No crime.
The phone and internet companies are rarely subpoenad or served warrants to turn over everything they have to the police. Long ago it was revealed that they are routing all their traffic through surveillance collection servers. They're doing it voluntarily, and it's their information, so it's not illegal. The cops need a warrant to search your car, but not if you give them permission or they see something you left out in the open. They're not required to pretend they don't see things.
It's the same way with all this spying, and Sen. Rand Paul knows it perfectly well. This is Kabuki theater. Same as the CIA torture stuff; they farmed it out to mercenaries, paid-off psychologists, foreign secret police, etc. It wasn't illegal because they weren't doing it. Same as Benghazi; it's the perfect political football because everybody knows the Benghazi consulate was the CIA station house, as well as a "black" prison, and the HQ for the "Al-Quaeda" mercenaries brought in to do the hit on Gadhafi and then sent on to Syria, where they now call themselves "IS". So it's like hitting a punching bag to rail on Hilary Clinton for what she did and didn't know, when everyone in the room knows exactly what was really going down and none of them can or will say it out loud.
This is indeed "Controlled Opposition." There's a lot of yapping, and then things go on exactly as before but worse, because it's all now been justified by the pretend scrutiny.
Technically, the legal requirements apply to anybody acting on behalf of the state, so that would apply to contractors as well. But, we all know how the legal requirements get satisfied when "national security" gets mentioned.
I suppose the definition of "acting on behalf of the state" is either very vague or minutely specific to the point of being meaningless?
You'd have to go through agency law, but if they are doing something where they would be considered an agent of the state, technically they would be state actors and theoretically should be held to the standards of the constitution. I'm not holding my breath that the private contractors for the NSA and other alphabet soup agencies will ever be held accountable, but technically they should be. I'm not saying that's how it does work or would work, because I'm rather skeptical on that myself, just saying that's how it should work if the government were to actually follow its own rules.
I get it. Yes.
+100
The Benghazi kabuki is just the worst.
The surveillance state has enough info on every American alive to destroy anyone who stands in their way. If the cherry picked data isn't enough to make you appear as depraved or a loon they can create the rest.
Is there anywhere to move to that has a chance of being buffered from these monsters?
I'd suggest Mars, but apparently Nazi refugees already called it.
"the only reason for the existence of the NSA's massive Bluffdale, UT storage facility is simple: to store every electronic communication everywhere, and for ever."
If that's true, it should contain all Hitlerry Clintoon's emails. Right? RIGHT??
I think it is good that the legislative authorities try to rein in the activities of the cabals and mafia type organizations holding power in Washington (the NSA, CIA, and who know what else). But the idea that words writtn down on a piece of paper will have the least effect upon them is a joke. The people of those organization are too stupid, uneducated and brutal to understand the delicate nature of law.
Listening to that traitor John McCAin bloviate on Rand's grandstanding for cash is every bit as risible as accusing Lieawatha of politicizing her non support of TPP by Emperor Peace Prize
I have a suggest for Hanoi John. Why don't you campaign for Hillary. You know she is goosestepping for The Patriot Act
And TPP. Arbeit Macht Frei bitches!
The Patriot act isn't the problem.
The government is the problem.
From a long time ago. Still valid today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces
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Slightly off topic, that baby who had its face blown off by a police flash grenade deserved it.... because he was there... in a house that didn't have drugs.... that was targeted because of an anonymous tip.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/cops-who-flash-banged-infant-are-blaming-the-baby_052015
The cops deserve a lot more for what they did to the baby. The lawyer who wrote that shit deserves to be strung up by his balls. Fuck me. It was the infant's fault for not recognizing the threat and getting out of the way? BLAAAAAAARG! WTF!?
And laches? Fuck. That's a legal concept where somebody waited so long to bring a lawsuit that the defendant(s) have lost the ability to mount a real defense. Didn't that baby get grenaded last year?
Flashbang the cops' faces and tar and feather that attorney. The kind of tarring and feathering that involves fire.
My response to that would have been "Fuck you, jury trial, motherfuckers!"
The way to deal with these LEO's is an old school Lynch Mob. Hopefully they will be dealt with accordingly when the big economic crash occurs.
See, people with power understand exactly one thing: violence.
Tyler's, I just came across this gem which is relevent to the Breastaurant story you ran last week. There is a large population of nat sec/military personnel in San Antonio and this particular doc/item blew my mind as it will yours.
LJ
Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs Seek Outlaw NatSec Gangshttp://cryptome.org/2015/05/omgs-ongs.pdf
Rand Paul is not perfect, but he'd be a big step up from the current piece of shit n the White House.
I'd gladly vote for him.
yore rayciss an probly sexiss four knot licking Hilary
This is the perfect opportunity for Israel and Saudi Arabia to work together again to blow something else up. Americans will be screaming to hang Rand from a lamppost and the NSA will be able to testify to the senate that they told you so, senator.
Only morons think the Chosenites will obey laws....
Things will only change when Americans sprout some balls and shed some blood.
Hooray for Rand Paul!! I take back some of the things I have said about him.
He needs to just leave the Republicrat party and start his own independent party.
Path to oblivion.
At the risk of repeating someone else, does anyone honestly believe that the NSA will just turn off the lights and shut the door on domestic surveillance because this law is not extended? And because it is secret anyway, how would we know if they did or did not?
There is too much invested in capturing metadata, intercepting emails and listening to phone calls.
It won't stop.
This is the difference between voting for a true conservative or not. while Rand has some non-conservative leanings he would be much better than hitlery or bush.
"Future Of Illegal NSA Spying On Americans In Limbo"
The NSA doesnt give two flying fucks what the Senate or anyone else thinks: the puppet masters will continue to spy on Americans in perpetuity, with full support of whoever is in White House.
What's Hillary's take on that?
We should ask her. But, wait! She's not taking any questions.
"What difference does it make!" ...which ultimately, is a sad truth of the political reality we live in, for now.
Rand Paul is an Israel firster . Another ZioNazi stooge
He's just playing the game as much as he has to. I don't like it. They know he's lying, but the average dumb zio-Christian voter just might be fooled and pick him over the other zio-republican whores -because of his principalled stand on other issues that the other mainstream hacks are too cowardly to take on. -Like the patriot Act and the Police State -and opposition to foreign wars. And how much money does rand get from the banksters -the JP Morgans and Goldman sachs crowd ? About as much as his father -very little, if any. That should tell you something.
I am reading crap like ''Maybe Rand Paul'' isn't so bad after all. Just remember this, he went to Israel to suck Jew cock because he knows who makes or breaks a candidate.
I wouldn't trust ANY of the candidates.
USA needs a candidate that has balls and says ''We will stop the ZioNazis that control this country and stop funding the genocidal psychopaths of Israel''.
For a man who, by his own declaration, deliberately shortchanges people on Euro purchases and sabotages his neighbors property if it annoys him, your diatribes against Jews are highly amusing.
LOL
The DutchBoy paints himself into a corner every chance he gets.
I was disgusted by his sucking up to Netanyahu, AIPAC also -but apparently it's a strategic decision to not be marginalized - Too many warmongering Zionsit Christians in the GOP -that's why I no longer get involved with the republican party, except for support of occasional good candidates. A lot of Reagan/Buchanan/Goldwater republican party leaders and activists do not like the pernicious influence of AIPAC, the Sheldon Adelson type money goons and Christian Zionists -but they feel they have no where to go -all the big money is in the two party system. I don't respect them for that, but that's the way it is. The same goon thug billionaires control both parties. Rand understands the GOP is the only game in town, and as much as he dislikes it, he has to at least pretend to go along with the zionist element of the party. i DON'T LIKE IT, BUT i THINK i UNDERSTAND HIS MOTIVES AND STRATEGY. I'll vote for rand in the primary -then in the general election -I'll still vote third party -Buchanan, Ralph nader, Chuck baldwin,Bob bar- even Cynthia McKinney is far supperior to any mainstream republocrat and/or Demoplican.
Look what happened to Representative Hostettler of Indiana. After opposing foreign aid to Israel, he didn't get enough donations to run for dog catcher. A great Constitutional scholar, he has written a new book about the Constitution.
Unlike your PM Rutte, eh? Homosexual adocate? De facto Jew.
Rand has to walk a very fine line to avoid being pigeonholed and then marginalized like his father was.
But he's making progress in exposing the dark designs of the Eurostatist establishment to the sunlight of constitutional purity.
More importantly he's operating with a definite eye on the future and making inroads into voting blocs that socialists regard as their personal property. The kids are watching. Blacks are watching. Constitutionalists are watching. And there just might be a new political coalition being sneakily assembled bit-by-bit that will surprise everybody.
The problem with fighting for the Constitution is that is is now regrettably necessary to educate the deliberately-kept-in-ignorance population first, and only then moving towards re-establishing it on its proper throne.
Go, Rand, go. And whatever I can do to help, you got it.
I think the biggest difference between Rand and his father Ron is that Rand actually has some possibility of winning. After that, he would need to hire food tasters, stay out of airplanes, find multiple doubles with serious financial issues, do a switcheroo right after the election by resigning his Veep and replacing him with Lou Rockwell, etc.
P.S., re: "Go, Rand, go. And whatever I can do to help, you got it." Watch out for those mailing lists, though! Multiple daily "followup" emails "from" various staff saying "We haven't heard your response to Rand's latest letter, are you still there?", "We're becoming concerned, are you alright?", "Rand is still looking for your input, we can't wait to hear from you."... Whoever runs their campaigns treats the entire constituency like a bunch of idiots. Even when you unsubscribe, they just put you on a different list. So, if you're going to send them money, use a disposable email address, or you'll never hear the end of it.
One of Ron's problems was timing -had the 2008 primary election been 8-10 months later -right after the market crashed and massive baillouts -I think he could have won -or at least been much closer. In 2012 we were 3 years into this bogus "recovery" -so Ron paul never had a chance- another crash, depression or major war, and perhaps an honest candidate would stand a chance -you just have to have the right person in the race at just the right time. I remember in 2010 -a nobody candidate-Debra Medina -(friend of mine) was neck and neck in the polls for governor against the two most popular Texas republicans -Kay Bailey Hutchison and Rick Perry - until Glenn beck set her up and the media crucified her as a 911 Truther (all she did was state she felt there should be a new government investigation) The media circus afterwords destroyed her as a serious candidate,. had this not occurred, this totally inexperienced candiudiate with no money was well on her way to being Texas Governor.
It can happen with the Presidenct -timing is everything. When people get scared, they tend to desert phony politicians for people who tell the truth.
You sure called that one! I thought I was already on every call and mailing list possible. After donating to a recent moneybomb, the phone has been ringing several times a day. I don't answer. Too soft of a touch. Reverse directory says Virginia and 'moderate spamming activity suspected' or something similar. I realize that Rand has to play by rules he didn't help create. You need to win by the existing rules before you have the influence to drastically change the rules.
"...how and why Congress can even consider an extension to an illegal program is a bit of a mystery."
Where's the mystery? Bought and paid for!
I applaud the less charismatic hijo de Ron Paul for his courageous stand for Liberty!
That said, I doubt that the Senate voting to end the NSA's Illegal Spying Program will actually End the NSA's Illegal Spying.
They will just remove it to the private networks of spying - owned by the bankster cabal that runs things. That's what happened to the MK Ultra Program when the Church Committee shut down the CIA program. These private networks allready control the CIA, much of the FBI - not to mention the entire US Congress and most Presidents the past few decades.
If by nature a law is illegal, and the act of following illegal laws is legal, than legal is illegal.
If that holds true.
Nothing is legal and there is no legal system.
Not only the future of illegal spying is at stake, but the future of the entire legal system is as - well.
You dont need to block an illegal law.
You need to arrest the people promoting it.
I've read that "A bad law is not a law". So you are right. Problem is lately, too many things wrong. It's a mess.
I'd prefer to arrest the cops and guard personnel enforcing and defending illegal law, the officers of the troops defending the institutions implementing illegal law, any of the troops who don't know when to quit defending illegal law, the judiciary citing illegal law as grounds for decisions supportive of illegal law and any bureaucrats who take it upon themselves to apply doctrines and policies that are implicit in the execution of illegal law. And maybe a few others that are associated with the notion.
Rand is a former member of the infamous NoZe brotherhood at Baylor University in Waco -the only secret society I have any respect for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_NoZe_Brotherhood
I like rand. Met him and his father many times in the past at various events. I think he will be okay. He just needs to get elected -he's far better than anyone else out there. He'd probably put paul Craig Roberts and David Stockman in his cabinet. Some things you just cannot take on if you want to try to get in via the two party system -still the only game in town -hopefully not much longer.
Supporting Israel and not questionning the official version of 911 are just two things you cannot take on when you are trying to work within the system - I don't like it, but it seems a better strategy to Rand - Until the sheeple somehow transform back to critically thinking human beings -that's the way it is. his fathers electibility proved that.
I will support Rand Paul on THIS. Any voice in a storm that's going my way. This includes E. Warren.
randy "stands with israel" and even did some groveling before Sheldon Adelson.
Which means he is an enemy of all that America is supposed to stand for.
And certainly an enemy of those serving in the US military.
Fuck Rand Paul.
Rand simply is acknowledging what you fervently proclaim; Jews Rule.
Anyway, can't trust Rand so much since he openly endorsed and campaigned for Mitch.
He'd better hurry up before they legislate people that don't accept from the big banks out of Congress.