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Police Takedown 101: U.S. Vs UK
Early last month we highlighted a ThinkProgress report which suggested that more people were killed in encounters with police in the US in the month of March than were killed in encounters with UK authorities in 100 years.
From the report:
A new report by ThinkProgress.com unearthed disturbing figures when it came to the number of police-related deaths that occurred in America in the month of March alone.
Just last month, in the 31 days of March, police in the United States killed more people than the UK did in the entire 20th century. In fact, it was twice as many; police in the UK only killed 52 people during that 100 year period.
According to the report by ThinkProgess, in March alone, 111 people died during police encounters — 36 more than the previous month. As in the past, numerous incidents were spurred by violent threats from suspects, and two officers were shot in Ferguson during a peaceful protest. However, the deaths follow a national pattern: suspects were mostly people of color, mentally ill, or both.
In that context we bring you the following compare and contrast visual exercise.
The UK…
....versus the US…
Note: the suspect who was shot in the latter video clip was unarmed and died as a result of his injuries.
The officer responsible killed another suspect in 2013 — he was cleared of wrongdoing in both cases.
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Just out of curiosity, how many cops are shot or killed in the U.K. each year? On average, the thugs in America seem a bit better armed...
For some reason I am concerned that things might be just a bit more complicated than this shill is letting on. What's the average education in the U.K. again?
Every time the cops pull me over I do three things….
1. Park the car in a place that’s out of traffic if possible
2. Put my hands on the steering wheel
3. Whatever the cop says it’s always “yes boss”.
No matter what country, no matter what language, I always do the above.
Looks to me as if the Brit cops were clearly gang kicking that Canadian after he was down.
Fuck the motherfucking police!
Fuck this Commie faggot shit.
UK has a little over 60 million people.
USA has something around 320 million people...over 5 times as many as the UK.
So that's one stat to keep in mind.
Are American citizens supposed to just lay down and give up our guns like the sheep of the rest of the world??? Fuck that shit.
The police may be getting more out of control and way too aggressive. But that's exactly why we will never give up our guns. That and another little statistic called Democide:
Democide: Government Killed Over 260 Million in the 20th Century, Poised to Kill Billions More in the 21stWe all have a helluva lot more to worry about than the occassional rogue, shit-head, maniac cop.
Just sayin'...
I guess you didnt even bother to go to the link JustObserving posted before you decided to violate everyone here with your ignorance spewed out in black and white.
Had you bothered to inform yourself you would have learned that the UK killed all of 4 people between 2010-2014. The US on the otherhand has killed 1000+ citizens in 2014 alone, and some 700+ citizens in 2013. Kind of annilhilates your population reference of 5 times multiple now doesnt it?
I think a better US comparison would have been the horse thief video from just a month or two ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPvTTmhyB_w
duplicate - sorry...
Agreed 100%
If anyone has ANY DOUBTS >>> https://youtu.be/IlY9C6pzxKc
Jamaican-Canadian. Cousin of Ben Johnson.
A Canuck? In that case, carry on with the beatings, he deserves it.
Notice that the guy being taken down in the U.K. is nicely dressed. Yes, appear "law abiding", live to fight another day. Yeah, no bias in this wrinting at all...
Please, let me repeat for the slow learners. There is no rule of law in America!!!! Period, full fucking stop dumbasses. Remind us, how many of Tim Geithner's "arsonists" are now bankrupt and in prison?
Stupid fucks in the states just haven't figured shit out yet.
One man's "terrorist" is another man's freedom fighter...
"No matter what country,", good advice as the oligarchs are GLOBAL!!!
same as it ever was...
Earlier I watched a video of a protestor complaining that a cop was threatening with charges of obstruction of justice. The protester goes on to say you can't obstruct what does not exist.
How true.
+1. Amen.
All good ideas. Anything you can do to put the cop at ease increases your chance of departing not only intact, but in many cases citation free.
I might add to your list:
4. At night - turn on the interior lights
5. Keep your hands in plain sight and ask permission to reach for anything - including wallet and registration.
4. If it's dark, turn on the dome-light.
I wish we actually more "peace-officers" in this country rather than the current breed of revenue-rats and rule-enforcers. Gimmie a cool and even-tempered John Wayne sort of sheriff that I can respect as a man, not these bitchey, high-strung and smug boot-lickers that roam our highways and streets seeking fault and a reason to fuck someone over, just because...
Not enough "live and let live" in this country, especially not anymore.
But if I turn on the domelight the officer will see all my peyote plants on the floor behind the passenger seat.
Just out of curiousity, how many cops go in guns up in the predawn no knock scenario instead of knocking and waiting for an answer?
This. You come into my house without knocking and announcing with a warrant in your hand ready for me to see,you will be dodging large-caliber rounds. That's a promise. I have a right to safety and privacy in my home. I have a right to freedom from unlawful search and seizure. I have a right to self defense. LARGE. CALIBER. ROUNDS. .338 Lapua or .50 BMG. I will not hesitate, I will not ask questions.
Horse shit. I agree with your sentiment but your choice of home defense weapons is either satirical or you have no idea what you are talking about.
You gotta admit, it does solve the body-armor question. Hopefully he lives alone and has no neighbors within a few miles.
Me, my primary is a 12-gauge with a heavy game-load (urban area, and I actually like some of my neighbors). It's a pump-action and the effect of the slide going back can be quite psychologically debilitating. And professionally-speqaking, I do admire Harry Aleman, one of the finest hit-men that Chicago ever produced. He was old-school, cultured, intelligent and seriously all-business-- he was one of the few no one ever nick-named, because no one dared, he was simply referred to as "Harry" or "The Hitman." But a shotgun was his tool of choice because there's no patching-up a solid hit or four.
I don't think Harry was to be liked or emulated in any way, but I certainly admire his professionalism and sense of honor to the trade: he didn't kill innocents or bystanders, and I do respect that.
Unbelievable. I know this is a tough job, but back off and call for backup. Shooting someone for not putting their hands up is absolutley crazy.
Officer Ramirez...exceptional
Please apply a 'poverty' filter to any such data. It's not race, mental health, profiling, or anything else - 'poor' people have less to lose and are more willing to commit crimes (with apologies to any law abiding poor).
poor whites do not mess like poor niggers, it's a fact, it's genetical, white are socialized, niggers are animals.
if you have a problem with this, go live in africa.
I'm sure all the unarmed people gunned down by those nice policemen are feeling MUCH better about it all after your words of wisdom. Christ, I fell better about it all, and I haven't even been shot. Yet. Poverty filter. Yes, that's very comforting.
usa, how to say... if you, with your astonishing nigger population, mixed on the total 320 millions ppl, you were acting like we do in EU.... this would be hell on your country and your would not have a single white in the street as we speak.
god thank to the 2nd amendment to get weaponry and your far west psycho cops who shoot and kill to prevent to get jails fulled like crap inside an ass hole.
if europ could act like cops in usa, fuck, no more black/grey to mess, they would be like nice dogs, trained to say hello, not spit on ground, help old ppl to cross roads...
with time, hopes, one day, maybe.
ps : north france ,actually, :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMSGIhP0POk
3 cops, 500 rioters... i tell you usa, u do not want to see that on your ground.
Or, just perhaps, you could attempt to write like you have an education past 3rd grade. Your point may be valid (or not it's impossible to tell to be honest) but writing like an illiterate monkey won't get you taken very seriously around these parts. This is ZeroHedge not a friggin Yahoo forum.
F0ster, winchester is probably French. I bet his English is a hell of a lot better than your French.... Just saying
Sacrebleu!
conneries.
+1 Winchester,
I spend a lot of time thinking about our brothers in France. Americans owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to your country even if we often forget that these days.
As much as I am not enamored of the black population in America at times, for the most part, they are peaceful, family oriented Christians. This doesn't include the Ghetto porch monkeys and the free shit army of course, but they still don't make up the majority of that community (yet). The majority of blacks in America are decent hard working folks just trying to get by like everyone else.
I think Europe in general and France in particular has it much much worse with those bat shit crazy moose phlem populations running around screaming Allah Akbar and whaking off female genetalia. *Those* guys are fucking apes.
I wish France had an equivalent to the American 2nd Amendment. I wish you guys could buy and bear arms.
It would make a big difference when that pot boils over and it becomes time to clean house.
Dont worry, Preezy's workin to import 20 million dunecoons to make our nation more 'diverse'.
I'm moving to the UK
That cop should not be carrying a weapon. He is unable to control himself. A badge should not be used as a free pass to kill. Unbelievable. I'll take the keystone UK cops anytime.
US number 1!
Shoot first and ask questions later, that's what Himmler would have done! What were blacks doing driving around at night? Up to no good no doubt! They were probably smoking grass, seducing white girls and listening to rap music. Yes, they did deserve to get shot by this good white policeman.
Joey Goebbels
KKK
Are the up votes for sarc or honest agreement? Hard to tell anymore.
For maximum effect, the beginning of the UK cop video should have been accompanied with Yakety Sax.
This is a lesson to all Americans, just be quicker than the cop and put him down first.
The unfortunate reality that thugs in uniform, and injustice system, have created is that it has pretty much come to that.
There seems to be a high chance you could be killed by an American cop if you co-operate; it can be argued that for the sake of self preservation it's now at a point where first to draw survives. I could see the argument holding that if you come across one of the many psychotic trigger happy criminals with badges and don't defend yourself when you get a chance they will likely kill you.
I don't condone violent against police, but the police themselves have now made self defence against them justified and in the interests of their victims.
Not what freedom looks like.
"Your honor, I was in fear for my life."
Plus
"He was armed."
"And acting agressively like he was on performance enhancing substances which are known to stimulate a person to rage."
Of course I'll add that you need to be genuinely in fear for your life. Most cops are decent enough to survive. Most cops haven't even been around an unjustifiable shooting much less covered up for one.
US justice system in a nutshell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xMz9jBwdkE
just goes to show the brits don't know how to police their people. no wonder they are such animals.
Fuck the UK and it's Pediphile Royal Family. The only person worth mentioning is Kate M. She would look good bouncing up and down on my Johnson!!!
They banned guns in Australia following a lunatic going on a rampage, and that was the end of that. Not one mass killing ever since, apart from drongo bikies and druggies doing us a favour and knocking each other off.
Accordingly we can still give cops a bit of attitude here, if they pull you over, and not wind up in a coffin. But you blokes stick with your Second Amendment rights - a few mass killings every month is a small price to pay for the right to defend yourself...
Nah. I like having guns. If you want to give up your weapons I suppose that is your right.
But make no mistake, doing so on a national level is cosmically stupid as you will learn to your sorrow in your lifetime.
If you have trouble with Yahoos pulling weapons on unarmed people, the answer is not to ban guns for only law abiding people. The answer is exactly the opposite. Arm everyone to the teeth and then when some wanker pulls a gun when he shouldn't six men, four women, a couple of old ladies from the bingo parlour and two or three twelve year old girls, all of whom have better judgment than said wanker, will shoot his sorry ass dead before he clears leather.
Waiting around for others to protect you has been the choice of chickenshit cowards since the dawn of man and it has the same outcome every time. Slavery.
Grow a set dude. I expect more from our cousins down under. I am so embarrassed for you.
One of my daughter's best girlfriends went to college and lived in Texas for a number of years. She's now a pro open carry gal. Simply realizes that nobody fucks with other people when they're armed.
"Grow a set dude." ?! Will having a gun get me a big set like you?
And a great counter argument about all the well-armed bystanders taking the shooter out. Perhaps you could give me an example or two of recent occurences of that occuring in the US, go back as far as you like, dipshit
Do you have access to Google? Use it. Of course you won't because it returns plenty of results where armed citizens protected themselves and others in the face of crime. Heck, we had a carjacking prevented just the other day by an armed citizen who held the perp at gunpont until the cops showed up, and then he got a handshake from the officer for a job well done.
Quit being an idiot. You make village idiots look intelligent.
TomGa, unfortunately when we Google we get all this Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, US Army base type crap, but I'll keep going down the pages at Google and hopefully will find your John Wayne-type armed citizen with the golden handshake. Thanks for the tip.
America doesnt have a gun problem , it has a mental health problem...Its left leaning Idiots that have empowered the socially inept to perform heinous acts on UNARMED citizenry... you never heard of a Michael Lanza trying to light up an NRA convention.. theyre always crazy... but theyre never ever that crazy.
You want an example or two?
Here's over 600 pages of links to stories of armed citizens stopping crime
Is that enough or do you need more?
Funy how the little pussy replied to the comment above, yet refuses to reply to mine.
What's sad is just how far the average Western male has fallen. The cowardice, the fealty and hypocrisy is astounding.
It's little wonder that the average Western hostage in the Middle East obediantly bows down and allows his head to be cut off. Surrender is ingrained from birth to most males these days.
The funny part is when the ISIS types roll in to Texas and suddenly find their asses shot to ribbons by an elderly secirity guard with a Glock.
They don't get that type of reception in Paris or Sydney. Must be one hell of a fucking shock. lol.
Have fun down under bro - may your chains rest lightly upon you.
I'll keep drinking beer, scoring chicks and going to the beach.
You keep up your ammo, bottled water and canned goods supplies, and wait for ISIS to arrive.
Make sure you kill them all, so I can continue my cruizy, carefree life...
Lol. A carefree life scoring chicks? Lol. Listen up mate. You couldn't score a stinky, hairy Perth lesbian man hater if your life depended on it.
But don't worry, your inability to rebut my link speaks volumes.
Just keep swallowing what ABC Brisbane tells you and be a good little boy. Just be careful not to offend any liberal dyke's down there and they may leave you alone.
Maybe.
It's like shooting fish in a barrel, like shelling peas... Dont mess up the tin-foil on your head, old man. The hairy lesbians are in Canberra, not Perth.
Now go hide under the bed from scary ISIS with Rep Lindsay Graham...
Last I heard mate, Australia was part of the Islamic Caliphate. Good luck bringing your fists to a sword fight.
I don't think you want a set like mine. Some days I think God has a really mean sense of humor.
I think you are mistaking guns with Jimmy Johnsons Extenze:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgI2dsJN-Ng
How fucking awesome would it be though if buying guns did make your dick bigger.
Can anyone say Mondigo?
Some Bloke
"Grow a set dude." ?! Will having a gun get me a big set like you?
Why yes, you will grow great big balls carrying a gun. As my 80 year old father says, "I'm too old to fight, I'll just shoot the motherfucker". If you're in fear of your life (determined by YOU) then the burden of proof is on the courts to say you we're not.
Obviously you never served in the Aussie Army did you? I think some National Service would do you right. It's your countryman you have to thank for your freedom, not the Yanks. As for smoking and joking on the beach, that's all good fun while it lasts. But once China shuts down the Aussie Natural Resources sector it will probably be a different tune. You should go check out the movie "Rover" and join the army and learn to be a real man instead of a moocher.
I'd say that it's at least a step in the right direction. A Thomas Jefferson quote, s'il vous plait:
1785 August 19. (Jefferson to Peter Carr). "As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprize, and independance to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/01/11/more-guns-less-crime/a-c...
How many Banksters have you stopped?
Everything else is just noise.
Give up guns (or never have them to begin with) and trust government. That worked out great for the American Indians and the Australian Aborigines didn't it.
Also, what are you going to do when some bloke comes around the corner with an ax or a machete? Better hope you are faster and in better condition.
You mean to say that they've allowed access to sharp pointy objects? Isn't that a tad dangerous for folks who clearly can't be trusted with dangerous stuff?
Might wanna read up on all the people here who have had to defend themselves from thugs with guns because there was no cops around to help. How do you handle that down under, mate?
Or, you could just go fuck yourself.
Well, you see, Blano, if you could read, no-one has any guns done here, so we dont have to defend ourselves from thugs with guns. Read it again, slowly, or get someone to do it for you, and then explain it to you.
Ha! Some Bloke really believes people intent on criminal behavior don't have guns.
Just out of curiosity, how much money do you send to TV preachers every year?
Can I get in line? Let me dig up my bitcoin address.
The arrested woman, aged 37, remained under police guard in hospital on Saturday after the stabbing deaths of the eight children at her house in the north Queensland city’s suburb of Manoora a day earlier.
The victims were formally identified as the woman’s daughters aged 12, 11 and two years, her sons aged nine, eight, six and five, and her niece aged 14.
Australia is still reeling from the shock of a deadly siege in a Sydney cafe earlier this week. On Monday, a gunman burst into a cafe in the heart of the city and took 18 people inside hostage. Two hostages were killed along with the gunman after police stormed in 16 hours later in a bid to end the siege.
you know, i don't think you are Aussie. I think you are some .gov troll trying to set a narrative in this thread. every aussie I know is pissed off as hell about not having guns. especially since this went down:
Sydney siege: hostages held by 'Islamist' gunman in Lindt cafehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/austral...
Whoa whoa whoa whoa howdy doody mate ....
Y'all just had a mass killing in some coffee/chocolate shoppe not too long ago .....
That's unpossible knuckles - guns are outlawed down under. Such a thing simply cannot happen.
Oh do stop being so cynical. Give the " gun free zone" signs a chance. I think a nice jingle could go with that .
Miffed;-)
Put the gun free zone right next to the smoking zone outside of buildings. That twenty five feet will save me from second hand smoke and second hand bullets...
Some Bloke
I could only down vote you once, that kinda sucks! If we have mass killings it's because they would not allow us to carry weapons at that particular place, but you probally know that.
Oh, never mind!
Fucking redcoats have been trying to take our guns away for over 240 years.
In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.
Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent..... STFU Bloke!!
It's like night and day
I'm surprised we don't have a revolution yet in the US.
It's not as though there's a lack of arms. Only of "Arms Up!", it seams.
@Kirk2NCC1701
Arms can be counter productive up to a point, because they can impart a false sense of security. So things can be allowed to get a lot worse than they should, before things get turned around.
Gun Control is never about Guns. It is always about Control. Criminals up to all manner of no good, are terrified of having their asses shot off.
Big mistake. They have a problem legislating away ropes, and Guillotines can be made in a few hours. These criminally insane fools don't even comprehend that they are their own worst enemies, and it is THEM that gets themselves killed. They just don't comprehend that there are such things as inevitable consequences for their actions.
I have seen what happens when the employers (the People) finally turn on the employees (the Police), when I drove into the middle of the biggest riot I have ever seen in my life. There were square miles of Police and blue lights, and I had to get to the Police lines to get through. When I got through the lines, I could smell the fear of the Police over the teargas, and despite having all the latest riot gear, shields, body armour, you name it, they were literally shitting themselves.
All that kit won't save them, when their employer starts bouncing.
Now you see why Britain has already become a third world shithole.
The British thug comes at the cops because he can, and the cops run away.
Defending yourself with spray? Britain's finest? What a joke.
I'd rather have the fucker plugged and ask questions later.
I'd rather have the coppers do just what they did, just don't need so many of them. Wish there were fewer people like you too. Who knows, maybe you'll get pulled over soon.
I would love to see that female Brit cop who ran like a girl sent into the ghetto in Detroit alone at night. Now THAT would be funny as hell.
A few common sense changes would eliminate much of the abuse:
1. End the drug war. Raiding, arresting, imprisoning and shooting people for what they put into their own bodies is just plain stupid.
2. Make policemen personally liable for criminal acts.
3. Demilitarize. No more tanks, night vision goggles, body armor. Dressing civilian police like like soldiers is an invitation to abuse.
4. Make the wearing of body cameras mandatory for all beat cops.
The drug war is a war for turf, money, and markets.
Try selling drugs if you want to know more about how getting busted by police is the least of their worries.
Police are accountable for all actions, professional, personal, and legal.
Demilitarizing? You first.
Body cameras? They don't work. Helmet cameras are much better, but you might think that looks too militaristic.
I understand the thinking behind using the UK as an example of why gun control works. The flaw in that thinking is that the UK has been going at gun control for over 80 years. Starting in the 1930s they aimed to prevent anarchist and communist armed uprisings so they started gun control under the guise of fighting crime (look it up). Gun related violence was already very low even then. Over decades they progressively restricted more and more people from being able to obtain guns. It wasn't like one day in 1997 they passed a single gun control law and the citizenry turned in the guns and the homicide rate dropped.
The UK started in the 1930s when the population was about 40mil. It took them over 80 years to restrict the gun ownership/possession rates they currently enjoy. According to a Pew poll, around a quarter of Americans admit to owning a gun. That's over 75 million people (almost twice that of the UK when they started gun control). There are over 300 mil guns in the US.
I'm not saying strict gun control won't reduce the homicide rate in the US. I'm just saying it's not a panacea and it won't produce real reductions of gun violence in most of our lifetimes.
I am 110% pro gun-control.
Government first.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
Gun Control -- means using both of your hands.
Has anyone but me noticed that most of these killings by police take place in ultra high crime ghettos?
Maybe has something to do with other than racism and gun control.
Government wants gun control, start in the inner cities, after all, that's where the gun related violence is .... (crickets)
Keep your machettes sharp and your bolts close
First tyranny came for drug using Americans, and I did not do anything--Because I was not a drug user.
Then they came for black Americans, and I did not do anything--Because I was not black.
Then they came for Muslim Americans, and I did not do anything--Because I was not Muslim.
Then they came for the poor white Americans, and I did not do anything--Because I was not poor.
Then they came for me, and since no one was left, there was no one to do anything for me. -- Paraphrase of Niemoller's First They Came Poem
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
within a 1 mile radius of MLK Blvd, Anytown, USA
Maybe the police should stop wearing their uniforms.
Kiwi shoe polish goes a long way.
Really does anyone believe that whole drug meme as it is so often peddled around this cesspool?? War on drugs what a fucking joke........ how much of so called prosperity in this shit hole is down to deep state drug trafficking to float the markets and support your 401Ks? Opium wars part 2n . Gimme a fucking break - and for the dingbat that implicitly asked how many cops are killed each year - well maybe when they stop committing murder on a regular basis the killing will slow appreciably until then I'm with NWA and Ice-T.
and for those who think our neighbours to the north are better off...... woman in BC called the mounties because she feared her son - suffering from severe depression after a couple of tours fighting Al-CIA-DUH in Afghanystan - might harm himself the fine fine 'tards in uniform RCMP ended up shooting him to death - no problem ma'am he won't hurt nobody no more......... you're welcome ma'am all in a days work............
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/greg-matters-mother-suing...
So now zero hedge has become a think progress, a progressive left wing anti police. Have you ever been to the Uk, go live in that shit hole. Otherwise stfu.
The people of the UK are not armed with Article 3, Section 3, treason, as we Americans are.
Much quicker to get the thugs over here into the guillotines than over there.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
"Sir, do you know why I pulled you into this guillotine? Well, I pulled you into this guillotine for doing treason in an American Constitutional zone. Yeah, yeah, I understand, but 'it's the law.'"
TV, movies, and books have conditioned us find it acceptable for unimprtant characters to get killed off. So no one will do anything about the police shootings.
As a matter of fact, most will cheer the killings as if they were sacrifices to the gods for the protection and safety of others in our cities.
ZH will post on 26 shootings and 7 deaths by shooting in baltimore this weekend, none police related, in 3......2......1
Maybe the intriguing case of the UK's untouchables shooting an innocent Brazilian in the head would make for a more meaningful comparison to the crime being committed in the second video.
It's all baked into the cake. American cops do most of their patrolling in vehicles. Their fat asses are squeezed into their patrol cars clearing 911 calls, basically the only thing they actually have time for is to hassle people over their broken tail lights. Thanks to the nazis on the Supreme Court your right to unrestricted free travel and freedom against unreasonable searches and seizures has been whithered down to the privilege to travel on government roads and the police duty to examine your vehicle for whatever infraction they can find. Add civil forfeiture for drug-related crimes to the mix.... nice cake we're baking there.
Add to that the paranoia over gun-carrying citizens... it's like icing on the cake. Why the fuck do police department permit solo officer units patrolling at night anyhow? If I were that officer I'd sue my department if they expected me to patrol by myself and produce X-number of traffic stops every month. FUCK. YOU. It's a dumb and dangerous practice and citizens get the short-end of it all to boost department revenue.
Any studies out there that compare US traffic stops to EU traffic stops? I honestly don't know anyone in Europe who has ever been pulled over in a traffic stop. Most of my friends and family are extremely normal people who use cars to go from point A to point B. Of course there are police traffic stops. In Europe, you mostly get pulled over for exhibiting dangerous driving behavior. They do have the occasional roadside random roadblocks, but once every few years? And then the cops are out-in-force. In sum... police on the road are a non-existent to most road-users.
Compare that to the US where traffic stops are so fucking normal in the US people just assume its something the police need to do. Let's see... clear homicides and investigate actual crimes... or go hassle law-abiding citizens over broken tail lights and expired plates.... hmmm... decisions decisions.
The US is a full-blown fascist police state. But make no mistake... most cops in Europe are salivating over all the shit the US cops get away with and can't wait till they get to taze and beat and shoot people.
The want the police and people fighting each other. They want the police to feel invincible and the people to feel oppressed.
It is all by design. I am suspicious of article that plays to the fear.
It just seems to be building up a powder keg, some think Porcfest might get raided soon, a bunch of heavily armed, anti-government, drunk people...what could possibly go wrong for the Fed's...
Come at me with a knife and your a dead man.
Obviously cheaper than housing, guarding, clothing, feeding, and educating the criminals...
Oh yeah, and they get free healthcare too.
It could be argued that the guy in the UK really should have been shot as he was getting very close and charging with a knife in one hand and there was a real danger to life.
The american offciser conducts himself with no class whatsoever.
Effing and blininding as he does it's hard to distinguish the criminal from the cop.
When yer brit cops start on you, they are so damn polite with it.
Unless you are a brazilian electrician running awayf form them, of course.
While the general drift of the thread is true I live in the UK and I observe police oficers much more armed and armoured now than they ever were and interestingly that trend has increased even though the bombing campaigns of the IRA are long gone.
The UK has draconian gun and knife laws. There is nor 'right to bear arms' here. Guns are licenced and people are ony allowed to have a shotgun (12 gauge) who own land and rifles are extremely closely controlled. Simply not allowed even by gun club members and even Olympic shooters. Handguns forbidden.
Gun crime is extremely low. Guns are simply not a general feature of crime in the UK.
Police officers do carry guns only on specific occassions and only if they have received special training and only deployed if unit commanders require it. Some officers carry weapons in airports and special diplomatic protection duties but really it is a shock to see a police officer with a weapon here.
Simple rule is if the population doesnot generally carry a gun then police officers dont need to either. The USA need to get to grips with its gun culture among its general populus if it wants to reduce gun use by its police.
Guns do not make a country safer.
The Rio Grande is not the English channel.
If tons of cocaine cannot be kept out, guns cannot.
The suspect was unarmed. His 'gun culture' was not a deadly weapon.
Police in the US kill because they are allowed to kill.
We do have the unalienable Right to Keep and Bear Arms here in Britain. All legislation conflicting with that, is illegal, and void.
Gun crime has more than doubled since the Pistol Ban. Violent crime is now far worse than the USA. Disarming potential victims does not make them safer. Your simple rule simply doesn't exist. When the British citizens were armed, the Police carried a Police Whistle, to call the armed citizens to assist in the pursuit of criminals. This actually helped keep Constables safer, as criminals knew they were unarmed, and to kill one automatically meant the death penalty. This was part of the Parish Militia responsibilities under the Parish Constable, and in line with the Common Law doctrine of the Hue and Cry, the reality that the Public are the Police, and the Police are the Public, as mentioned in Sir Robert Peel's Nine Principles of Policing:
"The police at all times should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police; the police are only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interest of the community welfare."
Every instance of illegal anti-gun legislation has resulted in dramatic increases in crime and violence. All studies confirm this, including the study carried out by ex-Chief Superintendednt of Police, now qualified criminologist Colin Greenwood:
"No matter how one approaches the figures, one is forced to the rather startling conclusion that the use of firearms in crime was very much less when there were no controls of any sort and when anyone, convicted criminal or lunatic, could buy any type of firearm without restriction.... Half a century of strict controls on pistols has ended, perversely, with a far greater use of this class of weapon in crime than ever before."
Confirmation of the unalienable Right to Keep and Bear Arms (which is also in the Bill of Rights 1688):
“The rights or ...liberties of Englishmen ...consist primarly in the free enjoyment of personal security, of personal liberty and of private property... To vindicate these rights, when actually violated or attacked, the subjects of England are entitled, in the first place to the regular administration and free course of justice in the courts of law; next, to the right of petitioning the king and parliament, for redress of grievances, and lastly to the right of having and using arms for self preservation and defence.
“And all these rights and liberties it is our birthright to enjoy entire; unless where the laws of our country have laid them under necessary restraints... so gentle and moderate... that no man of sense or probity would wish to see them slackened.” William Blackstone (1723-1780) "Commentaries on The Laws of England" (the standard legal and Constitutional reference since 1765).
Guns do indeed make a Country safer, as confirmed by all but two examplpes of American States that have brought in Concealed Carry of Weapons (CCW) Laws, where crime and violence have fallen significantly (big reductions in rape and murder numbers). The two examples where it had no effect, were already very low crime Open Carry States.
PS. I will admit to having acquired a bias, since I was shot by a nutter in 1989, which was when I started researching the subject extensively (yes I was surprised at what I found). Personally, I would not wish to have anyone else experience the utter helplessness of being unable to defend yourself from an armed criminal, and the icing on the cake, was despite the Police being obliged to turn up within 15 minutes of such a crime reported (when seconds count, minutes are no help anyway, it is the citizen that is the first responder already on the scene), they didn't turn up until over 16 hours later, the following morning, and when asked why they had taken so long, they replied "Well, we didn't want him shooting at us as well".
I kid you not. :-(
+1 What a great post.
I'm not trying to justify what the US cop did, but maybe (just maybe) there is a qualitative difference between A. 1 cop and 4 potential possibly armed perpetrators at night in tight confines with easy acces to places to put a concealed weapon and B. 15+ cops and 1 suspect in the middle of the day where there is no real danger that the suspect has a concealed weapon.
Wtf... why does UK police dress like orthodox jews?
20 cops to bring down one guy? Pathetic.