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Chinese State Paper Warns "War Will Be Inevitable" Unless U.S. Stops Meddling In Territorial Dispute
Whereas over the past year, ever since the outbreak of the hostilities over the fate of Ukraine following the Victoria Nuland orchestrated presidential coup, relations between Russia and NATO have devolved to a Cold War 2.0 state as manifested by countless interceptions of Russian warplanes by NATO jets and vice versa as depicted in the following infographic...
... at least China was mercifully allowed to stay out of the fray between the Cold War enemies.
This all changed this month when first the Pentagon's annual report to Congress this month cast China as a threat to regional and international peace and stability, followed several weeks ago when, with China aggressively encroaching into territories in the South China Sea claimed by US allies in the region such as Philippines, Vietnam and Japan, the US decided to get involved in yet another regional spat that does not directly involve it, and started making loud noises about China's territorial expansion over the commodity-reach area.
China promptly relatiated by threatening a US spy plane during a routine overflight, while immediately thereafter the US retaliated at China's escalation, and warned that building sea "sandcastles" could "lead to conflict."
Far from shutting China up, earlier today China said it had lodged a complaint with the United States over a U.S. spy plane that flew over parts of the disputed South China Sea in a diplomatic row that has fuelled tension between the world's two largest economies.
Quoted by Reuters, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said on Monday China had lodged a complaint and that it opposed "provocative behaviour" by the United States.
"We urge the U.S. to correct its error, remain rational and stop all irresponsible words and deeds," she said. "Freedom of navigation and overflight by no means mean that foreign countries' warships and military aircraft can ignore the legitimate rights of other countries as well as the safety of aviation and navigation."
China had noted “ear-piercing voices” from many in the U.S. about China’s construction on the islands and reefs.
In other words, China just imposed an effective "no fly zone" for US spy planes, a dramatic shift from its recent posture when it tolerated and turned a blind eye to US spy plane overflights. Going forward, the US has been explicitly warned not to fly over China or risk the consequences.
This handout photo taken on March 16, 2015 by satellite imagery provider Digital Globe shows a satellite image of vessels purportedly dredging sand at Mischief Reef in the Spratly Islands in the disputed South China Sea
And just to confirm that if the US had hoped it could threaten Beijing into submission and force the Politburo into curbing its expanionist appetit, it was dead wrong, the nationalist Global Times, a paper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper, the People’s Daily, said in a Monday editorial that war was “inevitable” between China and the United States unless Washington stopped demanding Beijing halt the building of artificial islands in the disputed waterway.
PressTV has more details:
A war between the United States and China is “inevitable” unless Washington stops demanding Beijing halt its construction projects in the South China Sea, a Chinese state-owned newspaper warns.
“If the United States’ bottom line is that China has to halt its activities, then a US-China war is inevitable in the South China Sea,” The Global Times, an influential newspaper owned by the ruling Communist Party’s official newspaper the People’s Daily, said in an editorial Monday.
“We do not want a military conflict with the United States, but if it were to come, we have to accept it,” said The Global Times, which is among China’s most nationalist newspapers.
Beijing last week said it was “strongly dissatisfied” after a US spy plane defied multiple warnings by the Chinese navy and flew over the Fiery Cross Reef, where China is reportedly building an airfield and other installations.
“The intensity of the conflict will be higher than what people usually think of as ‘friction’,” it warned.
The paper also asserted that China was determined to finish its construction work in the South China Sea, calling it Beijing’s “most important bottom line.”
Such commentaries are not official policy statements, but are sometimes read as a reflection of government thinking.
More importantly, they serve as populism-timestamped warnings that US demands for a Chinese retreat over what the world's most populous nation considers' its own national interest, will backfire dramatically and the next time a US spy plane flies over the Spratly Islands, or Beijing's smog for that matter, a very serious diplomatic incident may ensue.
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Paper tiger purring at paper eagle. Neither want to go to war. US would be in a quagmire to occupy China. We all know US hasn't won a war since WW2. I mean a real war.
Why do I get the feeling a lot of people are rooting for the Chinese and Russians to put the US in their place. First of all, even though I am no fan of the US govt, don't think that the Chinese and Russians are any better. Not to mention I don’t think any of us want to root for conflict between these world powers.
It would be a very short war.
Russia has a long history of shooting down US spy planes with no out break of WAR. China will join the camp soon with a shoot down.
US will keep teasing the dragon until it bites. The Chinese dragon is on a leash though, the US is working to determine how short or long the leash.
WTF is wrong with Washington!
Worry? You can blindfold them with dental floss!
dice
And also note the island they are building is right in the middle of "Why in the fuck don't you mind your Own Business" part of the ocean.
Thankfully, Bill Clinton traded U.S. ICBM secrets to China for 10 million cash in a Swiss bank account..you tards didn't think he gave it away fro free did you?
Are you referring to this?
'THE LOS ALAMOS SECRETS CASE: THE OVERVIEW; Nuclear Weapons Engineer Indicted in Removal of Data'"A federal grand jury in New Mexico indicted a nuclear weapons engineer today on 59 counts of illegally removing highly classified design, construction and testing data from the Los Alamos weapons laboratory where he was employed.
The indictment charged that the engineer, Wen Ho Lee, had violated the Atomic Energy Act and Foreign Espionage Act, assembling collections of 19 computer files that contained some of the country's most closely held nuclear weapons secrets."
"Separately, officials said they were aware that the government would be criticized for singling Dr. Lee out for prosecution and would be prepared to show at his trial that unlike any other scientist or laboratory employee who mishandled secrets, Dr. Lee had selectively stripped the Los Alamos files of every conceivable secret related to nuclear weapons development over the last 50 years, an incalculable loss of research that in the wrong hands could alter the global balance of nuclear arms."
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/11/us/los-alamos-secrets-case-overview-nu...
Supposedly included everything on the W-88 warhead, our most advanced design.
And then...
'Wen Ho Lee Freed After Guilty Plea'http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95771&page=1
You dumb fuckers better take this serious.
China nor USA will ever wage war against each other
it doesn't benefit the rich people in either country in any way
TALKING about it benefits them by controlling the 99% with nationalism
but they'll never actually do it.
most Chinese elite want to use nationalism to keep getting rich and the poor distracted, but don't want to actually have to act on their threats because they also want to send their kids to California or Vancouver... buy up Greek and Italian factories.... French and New Zealand farms, etc, send their 2nd girlfriends to LA or London, etc.
Didnt Soros said something about this?
better do it and do it quickly ....
China is a paper tiger militarily speaking, and a full on military conflict with the U.S. utilizing all of its military might (no technology spared) would render China impotent before China could launch any significant response or counter-response.
I say this NOT as some sort of hawkish neocon, and incredibly critical of the U.S's recent military campaigns, yet am just stating a fact that I'm sure will incite many down arrows.
yes currently china military is paper tiger but just wait for another 10 years .
^ Both of you are overlooking the new stratgic alliances between Russia, China and India, along with this little tidbit that has the US Navy pissing in their pants...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
It is obvious the members of the Eurasian alliance are sick and tired of sucking hind tit to US dominance and are standing up to a failed US big-stick foreign policy... Nothing lasts forever, including the false sense of superiority by the western neocons...
The USA: Military Arm Of The New World Order
Truht you are forgetting that Russia is now a Chinese ally; if a war comes to China, Russia would stand behind the 'tiger' so your military analysis is fatally flawed.
USSR was an ally of Germany in the beginning of WW2.
I get what you're saying Truth, but we're currently 14+ years into a war with bearded cave-dwelling goat herders in Opiumlanistan.....and we seem to be barely holding ground, if not outright losing. We underestimate the chinese at our own peril. Besides, they would not engage us only in full-on frontal military combat. There would be massive cyberspace action avalanched into the mix as well, etc. They also happen to have nukes, which is the great equalizer when it comes to global games of Risk.
The most realistic assessment I've read to date regarding this. The ones controlling the wealth on either side do not benefit from a real (i.e. nuclear) war. The same logic applies to most other perceived conflicts ( Ukraine ) currently taking place. Moves on the chess/go board, nothing more.
That's not to say that accidents can't happen...
Study history. War is coming. Powerful groups see war as a way to hang on. Don't change horses in the middle of the stream. Wag the dog.
Correction - the rich people in either country are the only people that will benefit from China and the U.S. going to war with each other.
China is mostly mountains and peasants. The US has soooooooo many planes they park them in the desert.
You make it sound like Americans are OK with having all their major cities wiped out in a few minutes. The Chinese Navy can nuke all US cities from inside the Bohai Sea with their submarines. Who knows how many they have off the American coast right now. Many are too stealthy to track.
You make it sound like Americans can just sit in front of their TV's and watch China get wiped out with no retaliation. Russia would probably take advantage and send over a couple of thousand missiles to make sure American is never a factor in anything again.
Stupid keyboard commandos and Internet tough guys.
mutually assured desctruction .... want to play game?... Nahh I'm good
Never underestimate the psychopaths in control of the launch codes... There are enough warheads riding around in thumpers to destroy the world 10 times over... All it takes is a Dr Strangelove moment and we are all toast...
In the highly unfortunate & hopefully never to happen full scale hot war between China & the U.S., China would be defeated before ever being able to successfully launch a single nuclear payload carrying missile having any remote possibility of striking the continental United States.
China stages many "beauty pageant" military exercises and demonstrations of allegedly advanced technology, yet remains a true paper tiger militarily speaking.
Or Hillary's Chinese campaign contributions? Remember the Chinese nuns?
'Clinton’s Campaign Contributions–Chinese Communist Candidate?'"The Times examined the cases of more than 150 donors who provided checks to Clinton after fundraising events geared to the Chinese community. One-third of those donors could not be found using property, telephone or business records. Most have not registered to vote, according to public records.
And several dozen were described in financial reports as holding jobs — including dishwasher, server or chef — that would normally make it difficult to donate amounts ranging from $500 to the legal maximum of $2,300 per election. …”
https://raymondpronk.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/clintons-campaign-contribu...
Good times.
"Israel has sold advanced military technology to China for more than a decade and is moving to expand its cooperation with Beijing, says R. James Woolsey, the Director of Central Intelligence."
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/13/world/israel-sells-arms-to-china-us-sa...
U.S. Furious With Israel After Sale Of Advanced Military Technology To China
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/12/22/u-s-furious-with-israel-after-sale-...
Israel Flagged as Top Spy Threat to U.S. in New Snowden/NSA Documenthttp://www.newsweek.com/israel-flagged-top-spy-threat-us-new-snowdennsa-...
The end is near, unfortunately.
I am more worried about the Financial war against the SAVER.
I have seen nothing that tells me that China will not be a Fiatster like the US FED. They need their gold just to get part of the upcoming New Fiat.
Once they get into the club, what is to stop them from being Repothication dickwads just the like the US Fed Banksters?
PRC population = 1.2 billion
US population = 320 million
Either nuclear or conventional war, China wins:
- After a nuclear war China's population will be reduced to about 300 million inhabitants, while in the north American landmass there will be survivors ranging only in the dozens of thousands (40 thousand at the most); thus People's Republic of China will send some 20 million of its citizens to recolonize those territories.
- The United States have no longer the industrial capacity, financial resources or manpower to sustain a major long term conventional war against China - and it will be a war of attrition. PRC will occupy America without too much resistance and the US will become a protectorate of China. Moreover, the PLA will show no mercy with those who may intent to challenge the new Sovereign; however, Americans who accept the Chinese political system will be treated with respect and dignity (in fact, they will enjoy successful lives).
eat shit and die... the Chinese would be scared to get out of bed every morning if they attempted to occupy the US... they want no part of that action, it would make occupying Afghanistan look like a walk in the park...
Most will not even know when the war started(EMP's knock out the power grids) 6 months laterafter millions of Americans have killed each other most people will look to the Chinese as saviors that finally stopped the endless localized wars...
A very interesting thread here. I tend to agree with all, but deflator brings up a good point. TPTB want us to kill ourselves off. Everyone knows America is the last fully armed country in the world, albeit with only 300m people. America also has the majority of nukes. If the PRC wanted to do something stupid, they would get HAMMERED 10x the nukes we would take..which means 10x the radiation. I doubt they would really want to jump on a ship and sail over here to take out the rest of the remaining survivors with weapons.
But they might. Never underestimate the gall of the wealthy entrenched elite whether in Russia, China or the US.
When America goes to war with China, Russia will attack without warning. From both coasts, and several Latin american countries.
'People will start to fight against the government. The government will be busy with internal problems.. '
Dumitru Dudumen
Russia seems the most rational of the war parties. The US is not a big threat to them as long as Obama and company are in charge. Manchurian Candidate and all. Think they would want to take on the winner of US & China war.
I'd like to say you're right. But the Afghans were able to live in frikking caves - they're battle hardened from years fighting whichever badass superpower thought they could win. My gun cabinet and ammo stash would frighten most sheep in the northeast US or any liberal state, but that doesn't mean much unless it's in the right hands. Do I have what it takes? Who knows. We're the doughnut nation anymore. I say I'd fight alongside my brothers... but does that mean I need to give up my sleepnumber bed?
Signed - Internet Superhero
Wow! You got a sleepnumber bed?? I would kill for one of those!
Now, what were we talking about?
The battle hardened Afghans starve to death if they can't play one group against another. If it gets serious enough then some empire will do them like the British Empire did the Afrikaners. Gather all their women and children into concentration camps and (maybe) give them a chance to surrender or die out. Without outside resources they run out of bullets and beans.
It may be one hell of a conspiracy theory, but anyone else remember the story that was quickly scrubbed from the internet about Hillary Clinton's firstt official trip to China (virtually immediately after she became Secretary of State)? As the story goes, Obama had her issue documents granting eminent domaine for the USA to China as collateral for continuing loans.
Far fetched? Not one bit...
"PRC population = 1.2 billion, US population = 320 million; either nuclear or conventional war, China wins." --Comte de Saint ...
Premise: military superiority is a function of greater population. Let's test this premise with, say, Nigeria vs Russia: Nigeria population = 183.0 million, Russia = 142.1 million; either nuclear or conventional war, Nigeria wins. Hmmm. How about Bangladesh vs UK and Germany combined: Bangladesh population = 160.3 million, UK and Germany combined population = 146.1 million; Bangladesh wins. Again, hmmm. We could go on and on...
...Maybe Comte de Saint's premise is flawed?
Neither Nigeria nor Bangladesh have any nuclear capability, and pretty scant military capability.
China has both (significant nuclear and delivery capacity, the World's largest standing army, with the World's largest trained Reservist capacity to call on). In any significant conflict, the Chinese WILL be very highly motivated.
Should the US decide to "Make an Example" of China, things WILL escalate, and should the "Making an Example" include attacks on mainland China, remember there are a LOT of ethnic Chinese in America (lots of "China Towns") and there are a LOT of very choice infrastructure targets in America too, targets that would be very difficult to repair (the National Grid being one, along with major highway intersections, rail marshalling yards, bridge infrastructure - all "easy to attack" and difficult to effectively defend).
Nuclear capability was not a factor in his argument, Parrotile, elsewise he would have at least acknowledged the US' significant nuclear superiority over China. No: the argument was predicated on the assumption that population superiority dictates military superiority.
Well in this case China has both. Population supremacy, and Military capability.
So it may not be such a good idea for the US to be indulging in needless provocation. Can you imagine the outcry if China was to do the same to "US" outposts - such as Diego Garcia??
"Well in this case China has both. Population supremacy, and Military capability. So it may not be such a good idea for the US to be indulging in needless provocation." --Parrotile
That's not the original poster's point at all, as you can clearly see for yourself. As for the US' imperialist provocations being unwise: yeah... ya think?! Of course it's stupid. As for just how stupid it is, I'd much rather talk about China's aggregate military capability than dwell on the intimidation factor of its billion-plus peasantry armed with pitchforks and hoes.
yea the ethnic chinese would be scapegoated and like the jews, the nazi american oligarchy would see the property of 4 million ethnic chinese as a ripe fruit to be harvested as they are dispossessed and moved into forced camps for 'security'. like ww2 with the japanese americans, only worse and more efficient.
in fact, the existience of so much property for the taking is actually a point weighing in favor of the likelihood of war between the us.. and china.
They can go ahead and have DC, LA, NY and the rest of the statist tyrant paradises. They come here and they will fucking die - every last fucking million of them.
On the contrary, you forget that the US Military is spread out all over the world, it has A scale nuclear missles it can shoot in mass as well...
It would be ugly to see a nuclear war, China would lose a lot of people, that is for sure, and fast.
Which smells much like something the elite would want anyway....
In the end a lot of poor defenseless people will die...
Enough said.
After the "poor defenseless people" die, I suspect in a SHTF situation, neither the US nor the Chinese States will have much success "ocupying" the suburbs and countrysides of the US with armed jackboots. We are BY FAR the most armed people of any nation.
We will not be defeated with an armed invation, but by monitary suicide, a death march of apathy that leads to a sudden collapse from within.
IF this current spat leads to anything significant, and an even bigger "IF" this in turn leads to a major conflict, there may well be few left on either side to mount any sort of "invasion" force, not that there would be anything of value to invade.
In the certainly not impossible scenario that would see China / Russia come out on top, we may well be in World where the Geneva Convention (along with Geneva) no longer exists, and the view of the victors may well be "The West Caused This", so the time has come to eliminate the West - quite literally.
"Cheap and Nasty" warfare - biological and / or chemical. "Population Management" the Chinese way . . . . .
Why dog invented nukes, motherfucker,
and why god invented technology.
it really all depends on what you mean by the word 'wins' .
while the conventional view that no one can 'win' world war 3 is well fleshed out in many nuclear holocaust nightmare prediction scenarios', history demonstrates that the termite mount of humanity only needs a coup;e decades to regroup itself into its predictably organized set of human patterns we call conventional society.
that said, the question remains as to what kind of 'conventional' societieis will be reformed out of the ashes of a particularly destructive episode we would call ww3.
one thing is sure not to survive, and that is 'democracy'. would a new china really be that powerful? would a new america?
it is quite possible china could win, but the world at large would still be set back a century or two in terms of scientific and cultural advancement.
meaning----the kind of world that could self organize after a 'recovery' from ww3 might just be an extremely violent one where decades of development in the sciences and arts and cutlural institutions give way to mass incarcareations and gulag ghettos of unprecedented scale. a truly blokampian schenario.
i'm not so sure much of the best technology even survives the next major war....
Hmm... you seem to forget that Europe will intervene as well if the PRC moves on the USA. The old continent has some 750 million people who either have family, friends or direct descendants in the US + A big part of the population in the US are Europeans that shipped over to the US.
Also.. it won't take too long for Germany, France or any other industrial country to retool their "car or airplane factories"..
I guess War of 1812, Independence, WWI and WWII were all fictions then.
In the unlikely event of a nuclear exchange between the US and China or Russia, it's most likely that Australia, Canada, Britain, France, Germany, Japan, perhaps even New Zealand would also be nuked.
One strong typhoon and it's gone.
"WTF is wrong with Washington!" --Pladizow
The better question: WTF is wrong with the sheeple?
The CFR roster that rules from Washington and Wall Street merely reflects the wishes of the "American citizenry" -- aka the voters. See, the voters are unfortunately the only ones who matter in this plutocratic structure, and apparently the sheeple think Washington is doing just fine. You watch, come November 2016 more than 130 million Americans will vote for the Democrat-Republican Party. One wing will edge out the other by a smidge, and the corporatocracy will reign on.
The globalists' self-serving actions seem maddening to you and me, but we can't get at them through any democratic mechanism. All we have left is revolution.
In a word, neocons.
Neo-cons, the children of Trotskyite Communists, and proud of it.
Washington's foreign policy is in the hands of neo-cons--mostly Zionist Jews, in fact. They currently control the world's most powerful military, and are having fun seeing "wottle she do".
US will keep teasing the dragon until it dumps 5 trillion in Treasuries.
That dragon got teeth!
One small hole in your theory...Chinese Treasury holdings 1.3Trillion
They don't hold that many treasuries and they are printing far more Yuan.
What part of global corruption don't you understand?
5 trillion teeth.
Educate yourself. 1.2 trillion, of which the Fed will happily buy.
http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/mfh.txt
What part of all fiat will die, don't you understand?
Aaagh! Je suis désolé. The one time I didn't look up the numbers...
Although, my understanding, according to GE Griffin, of fiat is that a gold-backed fiat works just fine, and always has, historically speaking. As long as the country with that fiat can prove to the world that they do actually have the gold.
Yes, we will see if that is true soon.
People like me, all over the planet, have been waiting for another gold standard for a long time.
Yes, we will see, but if you don't think that China has been printing their ass off, you are an idiot. I have done business in China for a long time, they are corrupt as hell. We are only catching up. This time is different in so much as this time it will be global Weimar.
+42
Nice one with the "Global Weimar", nice metaphor.
"A gold-backed fiat works just fine, and always has, historically speaking. As long as the country with that fiat can prove to the world that they do actually have the gold." --Not Too Important
This statement is generally true, though in recessions gold-hoarding can lead to major liquidity problems (no, I'm not defending Keynesianism). Unfortunately, having a fiat backed by gold and actually proving possession of that gold all too commonly exist in mutual exclusion. It shouldn't be that way, but fiscal and political expedience tend to make gold-backed fiats just as corruptible as any other monetary system.
For centuries (at least), gold-backed currencies have inevitably gotten watered down; depository institutions and central banks will abuse a gold-back currency as long as they can get away with it, same as with a pure fiat system. This most famously happened during the "guns and butter" years of the LBJ presidency, which extended the profligacy of earlier years and culminated in the currency crisis of 1971. As I'm sure you know, Nixon then severed the dollar from gold backing once and for all, claiming it was critical that he "defend the dollar against the speculators", but these "speculators" were really just bankers from around the world no longer trusting in the integrity of the dollar's gold backing.
The world called the Fed and the Treasury on their bullshit, and if we restored a monetary system that conformed to the US Constitution, it would just be a matter of time before it was abused once again. Gold backing does not protect a currency. Only monetary and fiscal prudence will do that.
All CB players will have to "show" their hands when the pokering and bluffing ends, and the fiat/elastic currencies are re-indexed/snap back to the hard reference frame of real money (based on real and precious assets).
They will have to show their assets. If they have tons of internal debt, its own populace gets screwed (e.g. China), but when it owes the debt to other countries, it's in Default territory.
China holds two trillion Benny Bucks. If a formal war breaks out - that debt is cancelled instantly. Much of the funding for South America, Africa and Russia would evaporate.
Do you think the US would go to war to erase a measely two trillion?
Whilst "US Law" might think that debt is cancelled, the creditor nation may well have other ideas.
America WILL pay up, or America will get used to being a colony.
Seeing as there is a Mutual Defence agreement between China and Russia, and "liberation" of America would certainly reduce the threat of westward Chinese expansion needs, it won't just be a war with China the US has to worry about - Russia would be very interested in helping out (for entirely personal reasons!)
come and take it
Taken by who, the Russians and Chinese? Or the bankers?
A valid question.
Whomever can physically possess whatever "it" is. There is no more rule of law, period. Demographics are on the side of China, but that is it.
Actually they have more nuclear subs, so you might wanna rethink that...
In the end, only a lot of poor defenseless people will die... :(
no, they do not... every sub in the US arsenal is a nuke sub, whereas those in PLAN are not... and, PLAN has fewer total subs than the US... q.e.d.
lop what a dumbfuck idiot you are . us subs might be nuclear powered but not all subs carry nuke slbms . In terms of number chinese have more subs . mp.net poster boy .
They will.
Those "Chinese Billionaires" didn't get there by being "nice people", and the Chinese have a pretty poor impression of the "fat and lazy" Western populace.
Keep on poking the Dragon, AND the Bear - you'll get your war, and you'll find out just what modern war is - this time on your doorstep, not on CNN, where once you become bored with coverage, there's the other channels to surf . . . . .
You truly have no idea about US spaceborne bombardment capabilities in a full up total war footing.
Remind me - who is the US dependent on for trips to the ISS?? Who supplies your rocket motors?? Who supplies ALL your consumer electronics??
I'd prefer not to think of the US ideas of a "Total War Footing", being mindful of Einstein's comments re. WW3. Should the US continue to behave as the Global Bully, and do something really stupid (but typical) where China is concerned, your "Space-based" capability (Illegal, I note - but the US has never bothered with International Conventions when it might be disadvantaged) might be in for quite a nasty surprise.
These are NOT some pissant Third-World Nations who you can kick around at wil; these are technologically and militarily very capable, Nations with long-standing (and in their eyes, very justified) grievances against the US, and there are VERY many Chinese, Russians, and, dare I say, "sanctioned-out" Europeans who would not shed a single tear should the US War Machine be wiped off the face of this planet.
"The space threat posed by China is multifaceted. The "painting" in September of a U.S. satellite by a ground-based laser shows that the Chinese program includes a broad range of capabilities, from kinetic kill to directed energy.[2] The January 11 test also shows China's ability to hit targets in Low-Earth Orbit (LEO), where most American reconnaissance assets are deployed. But reports suggest that the Chinese also seek the ability to attack satellites in Medium- and High-Earth Orbit, such as GPS"
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/chinas-anti-satellite-weapons-a...
"America WILL pay up, or America will get used to being a colony"
America has a long history of NOT paying up...
Read The book,
A Nation of Deadbeats: An Uncommon History of America's Financial Disasters
written by Scott Reynolds Nelson
Pundits will argue that the 2008 financial crisis was the first crash in American history driven by consumer debt. But Scott Nelson demonstrates in his new book, A Nation of Deadbeats: An Uncommon History of America's Financial Disasters, that consumer debt has underpinned almost every major financial panic in the nation’s history. In each case, the chain of banks, brokers, moneylenders, and insurance companies that separated borrowers and lenders made it impossible to distinguish good loans from bad. Bound up in this history are stories of national banks funded by smugglers, fistfights in Congress over the gold standard, America's early dependence on British bankers, and how presidential campaigns were forged in controversies over private debt
Watch the Authors Lecture on the book here,
https://vimeo.com/62187967
"China holds two trillion Benny Bucks. If a formal war breaks out - that debt is cancelled instantly."
No, it's not. War or no war, the debt stands.
Where did you get a war cancels a debt? It's honestly the first time I've heard that.
I believe the Yanks have turned and squeeezed the leash too many times. Now, they entangled their own necks in a knotted leash.
Down with the spy planes ! Tally ho !!!!
I actually think nukes have achieved Dr. Gatlings goal of making war so horrific it is less likely on a large scale, at least that's my hope.
I agree with Payne, even a shoot down will not result in further conflict.
It won't be shot down, it will just suffer a mechanical Breakdown.MNSBC will explain it all our sympathies to the families on this tragic accident.. unless of course the MIC wants war then there will be live footage, bodies floating and everything
Whoever is wrong or right about who controls so far non-existent islands, which will soon be under water-- their ultimate fate--and not so ultimate at that, mabye proximate by the time all the diplomatic blather has exhausted itself, doesn't matter that much does it? Keep on drillin' baby, it's all black gold.
There is no such thing as a "SHORT WAR."
Short war? What's ICBM flight time, about 30 minutes or something? Pretty fucking short alright.
If the US has satellites that can read a license plate that why do you need to fly spy planes overhead except to piss off other countries?
Test boundaries of course.
Electronic emissions are best captured the closer you can get. So Spy planes mostly record any and every form of electromagnetic emission that Chinese equipment produces. That is mostly why Spy Planes fly close.
The principal reason behind all those TU-95 missions of late, "testing the waters" around the British Isles and Scandinavia.
With a 20 tonne load capacity, one wonders just what is living (and listening) inside those bomb doors - and I'm sure it'll not be firepower . . . . .
Plus, you cannot put a CNN reporter on a satellite.
+100
They sacked Brian Williams too soon; he could've taken pics and SigIntel from that satellite.
Stay away from my emissions. My emails, my cell phone calls, my Google searches, no problem. But tracking my emissions is a step too far. There is the fourth amendment after all.
Because those satellites that can read license plates are constantly in motion within an orbit while the Earth is also spinning beneath. Thus, it can take many hours for a satellite to be in the correct position so as to enable a sensor footprint to properly scan the area of interest.
Satellites are also very predictable. Once their orbits are identified, it is an simple exercise to tell when they will be overhead. As such, it is common for many countries to cease various activities during a satellite pass.
On the other hand, spy planes can be tasked at will with relative ease.
The combination of space based and airborne observation capabilities gives tremendous flexibility to overall surveillance efforts.
Because, silly, that's how you start wars.
I've stopped taking the pills. Now I know better, they aren't all that exceptional....there is no spoon! Too much hubris on the US part forgetting that everyone has caught up with or surpassed them in many fields.
a lot of people may be rooting for China and Russia, because they clearly see that it is the USA, who is provoking all this. Besides, as a European, the USA rule over the world is worse for me than China and Russia. The Empire of Chaos must be stopped, because of their spread of wars, terror and chaos. We have millions of people coming to Europe, just because the USA makes mess in the Middle East. Do you think I dont know that the USA/Israel want to completely destroy Europe, where I live??? How could I ever agree with that. I will never agree with Europe becoming another Libya or Iraq!!!! I would rather join Russia and kill as many stupid Americans as possible. And there is a growing number of Europeans, who see it in the same way. I keep finding graffitis (in subway, on streets etc.) like: "Kill the American and you will save the world peace." or obviously the most frequent "Yankee Go Home!" We are fed up, tired and angry and we need someone to stop the USA, whoever it is. You just underestimate the level of suffering, hatred and anger that the USA has managed to provoke all over the world. We hope that the alliance of Russia and China and India (and Brasil) will ensure that China wont be the sole ruler, that there will be more centres of power. But even if not, if China would at least rule in the same way former empires ruled: not making chaos but order, building roads, railways etc. like it is doing in Africa, it is still preferable than having to deal with the USA-backed radical islamist terrorists and terrible chaos the USA spreads. I can see it in Ukraine, which is very close to where I live. I talked to people from Donetsk. The level of suffering and chaos that the USA made in Ukraine is intolerable. I will never forgive this to the USA government and to any American, who agrees with its government interfering all over the world!!! Just go home or you will regret, as the rest of the world will turn on you. Not just Russia and China.
As I recall, the last time the Russians occupied Berlin, it was not very nice. I know the Americans did the same thing but for the most part the transactions were not forced and the Americans paid with cigarettes and chocolate.
When Germany Occupied Western European Russia, being raped would have been a blessing compared to what Germans did to around 10 million civilians directly. Or Poland, where in 1939 the invading Germans filled trees and light poles across the nation with hanging bodies. Any government employee, and teacher, doctor, intellectual, communist, most civil administrators, mayors, they all were hung by the German army. Berlin, got off lightly, had the Red Army returned the favor to germany that was done to them, then half of Berlin would have been hung outright. Germany caused the problem, the Red Army rapes were not something that should have happened, but given German mass murder, getting paid back was a sure bet.
Repaying evil with evil does not a justified war make.
It is the USA that HAS BEEN the one who is being aggressive... (Just saying)
The sad thing is, these fake politicians don't give a damn if we all die as a result of their profiteer seeking internationally...
*(Huge fooking mistake)*
The USA HAS been aggresive. This is not to say that Americans WANT to be aggresive. Most of us would prefer to stay home and let the rest of y'all settle things however you feel. We have a little problem containing our own oligarchs.
Ever heard of Retribution or Just Revenge, or As You Sow, So You Reap, or What Goes Around Comes Around?
Or is that kind of thinking now 'Verboten' in feminized Sweden?
Don't forget what the Jewish Bolsheviks did to 60 million Russian Orthodox Catholics, before Hitler got started. Hitler and Germany being predominately Roman Catholic.
Not trying to stir the religious pot, but those facts are always left out of the conversation re: Nazis. 99.9% of the non-Jewish population were scared shitless over what had been taking place for decades literally next door.
Russian Orthodox Catholics?
I thought RUS/SUN were predominantly Orthodox.
Can you clarify, pls? Thanks.
"The Russian Catholic Church is a Byzantine Rite church sui juris of the Roman Catholic Church. Historically it represents a schism from the Russian Orthodox Church
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Russian_Catholic_Church
I meant to include all Russian Orthodox Christians, that were being slaughtered by the Jewish Bolsheviks.
For a fuller meaning:
"The Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, and some Methodists believe that their churches are "Catholic" in the sense that they are in continuity with the original universal church founded by the Apostles. However, each church defines the scope of the "Catholic Church" differently. For instance, the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox churches each maintain that their own denomination is identical with the original universal church, from which all other denominations broke away."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_term_%22Catholic%22
As in the common belief in One Universal Apostolic Church, and beyond the milk of the meaning, all a part in one body through Christ to God.
Sorry, Tarzan. This is ZH, not FaithOnline.
BTW, Jesus never existed.
Thanks for the Clarification.
I don't disagree but I hardly think the massacre of German civilians( I believe 2-3 million dead post expulsions, it'spolitically incorrect to mention this too loudly) which happened all over Eastern Europe was justified. Individuals have no real control over the action of their governments which is why government is such a dangerous institution and must be opposed rigorously.
Try this on:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hellstorm+documentary
http://www.exulanten.com/hysteria.html
It will take you a while to complete the material. It will be worth it to you in the long run as being under the yoke of propagandists is no way to go through life.
+1 for bringing the grisly and gruelling yet essential and too-long neglected Hellstorm into the discussion.
+1 for bringing the grisly and gruelling yet essential and too-long neglected Hellstorm into the discussion.
last time was a war... i hope you never see so many dead men, women and children.
"As I recall, the last time the Russians occupied Berlin, it was not very nice. I know the Americans did the same thing but for the most part the transactions were not forced and the Americans paid with cigarettes and chocolate"
quit living in the godamn past...
Do you seriously believe National cultures are static things?
If you do then you are an ignoramous or amnesiac to world history.
"as I recall..." my ass. What the fuck have we done for the world lately?
I think the nature of man is static. I spent my early years examining inmates for parole consideration. I have looked into the heart of darkness. One inmate, a fellow who liked to murder and then rape little girls just as they were going through the change told me he killed them first because he did not like to hear them bitch. He then raped them before they got cold. So no, nothing has changed. His name was Herbert Lee Evans.
I don't know how to vote that, but I'm praying for you tonight.
It was not submitted for votes but simply to point out that all of the monsters are not relegated to the past. They live here with us right now. We live in their midst. Most people are both good and bad. There are a few who are purely evil. Dissolve the social mores and the monsters come out of the shadows. Look at the troubles in Ireland. Look at the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans. Look at Ferguson and Baltimore. The nature of man is the same.
Cloud9.5, what on Earth are you saying? What does a psychopathic subhuman have to do with man's nature "being static"?
The argument, which I'm sure I don't get, seems akin to saying "the nature of man is static, I know this from studying people's fever-induced delirious rants when they have influenza".
You don't measure humanity by the state of ill or sick minds. You measure humans, like everything else under the sun, by the state of healthy individuals.
Any doctor will tell you that prior to studying illness, you have to first study health. And you measure the severity of illness by its departure from health, never the opposite. Of course.
Which means no sick individual can say anything about mankind's nature - just that it can get sick, like any other living organism.
>> "There are a few who are purely evil. Dissolve the social mores and the monsters come out of the shadows."
That's the truth. But those few that are purely evil are precisely subhumans. They are missing basic human traits. They are freaks.
Evil is not the "affirmation" of anything, it's a deficiency.
lea, I am a great enemy of all descriptions by one human or human group of any other group as "subhuman"
evil? nobody is evil, as such. deeds might be judged as evil. imho your deed, here, is evil, by describing any others as subhumans and freaks, and denying them "basic human traits"
the next logical step is of course to isolate them, intern them in camps, and find some terminal solution about them. still comfy?
"the next logical step is of course to isolate them, intern them in camps, and find some terminal solution about them. still comfy?"
That next logical step has been taken for a long, long time, Ghordius. In every civilization, these sorts, when caught, are isolated - interned, if you will - in jails and in plenty of countries (namely, the ones that have capital punishment), their life is terminated.
We were talking about DANGEROUS CRIMINALS. You know, rapists, murderers, pedocriminals, that sort.
Anything new to add?
Lea, yes. One question: how many? Have a look how many "dangerous criminals" are locked up in some countries
only my opinion: if you criminalize the behaviour of more then one person in ten thousand (0.1%)... you are applying excessive (collective/state) force
Ghordius, how many, who and why are an entirely different subject. If you jail a black man because he's black, you're a fascist and a pig. You're the evil one.
If you jail a sadistic murderer or a pedocriminal, you are protecting society. Which is what society and civilization are about: not a playground for predators, but a safe place for people to evolve in a friendly human environment. Living in constant dread is not a life, so society has to set red lines. It's always done and always will. I sincerely hope you understand that, otherwise I'd worry.
Now, a totally different question is, what about a society that flatters the lowest instincts by indoctrinating people into sadism, from an early age, with endless TV and movie violence - which work precisely like advertising - and then locks them away by the scores when they take action and turn dangerous?
Lea, I beg to differ. How many, who and why are interconnected, particularly when you start with values like "protecting society" with "from predators"
you, for example, seem to believe that the millions that are currently incarcerated are mostly because of violent or potentially violent or dangerous behaviour
I encourage the study of incarceration statistics
"you, for example, seem to believe that the millions that are currently incarcerated are mostly because of violent or potentially violent or dangerous behaviour"
Where did I write that?
"I encourage the study of incarceration statistics"
I encourage you to re-read what I wrote.
I never spoke of how many are locked, or not, in the USA.
I'm saying that every society in the world, since the beginning of time, has protected itself against its predators, or, if you prefer, its wolves in sheep clothing - a very old expression you may know, that means exactly the same thing: the evil ones in our midst (wolf=predator). I also said it's a necessity if you want to keep a society that is not some kind of hell on Earth.
Nothing to do with the masses that are incarcerated for no reason in the USA. The country has a sick system, but it's another question.
Little Boy and Fat Man were built for Berlin. Both bombs took over 2 years to complete and were 3 months behind schedule. - Russia was already marching through Germany before the outer shells were fitted. They were dropped on Japan instead, as that was the only Axis country who hasn't officially surrendered by the time nukes were completed.
There is an ongoing joke about the US rushing into war after the outcome has been decided by Russia in order to liberate some countries, only to discover that they have already been liberated by the wrong people.
The bombs were dropped so that the Soviet Union wouldn't have time to establish themselves in the Pacific in a way that would give them any claim on control of the area.
There was also a 'reaearch' side to it.
Hiroshima was a prisitne city, having not been bombed.
A great 'control' in an experiment on the effects of a nuke on a city.
Little Boy was a simple 'gun' mechanism using U235 and pretty much a certainty to work.
Fat man was a much more complex thing (but plutonium is easier to isolate than U235) requiring some real fancy explosive lens technology.
Trinity proved the Pu method, Nagasaki was a calibrator.
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US citizens who cherish illusions such as this must be kept away from and prevented, at all costs, from reading Gruesome Harvest. It is imperative that links to online sources of this book, such as the one below, are not posted where they can be seen by US citizens.
http://digital.library.wisc.edu/1711.dl/History.Gruesome
I highly recommend 'The Black Book of Communism'. A full history of the atrocities in the Soviet Union.
The .pdf is free on the Net.
Exact.
Feel free to kill as many of the fuvkers you want in DC , Most "Americans " would thank you for it.
Most "Americans " are not on any sides here we are just trying to live and surrvive just like you Europeans, so try not and lump us all in this shit show.
I keep finding graffitis (in subway, on streets etc.) like: "Kill the American and you will save the world peace." or obviously the most frequent "Yankee Go Home!"
i have seen similiar graffitti in my travels - world peace will only come with the defeat of the USA. The American people are deaf to the mayhem and danger to the world - they deserve the worst outcome for permitting the Manchurian Candidate to spread chaos everywhere
In your travels? Name some places.
Seems to be quite popular in many places around the world:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=yankee+american+go+home&qs=n&form=QB...
Birmingham, Uk in the tunnel from Broad St going to High st - down the hill - to the train station -
in Budapest, Hungary on the bridge over the Rhine - between the island in the middle of the span
Dude, re. your travels, Its the Danube that flows between Buda and Pest. The Rhine is mostly between France and Germany in Western Europe.
http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=NlFBWo-Cbz8
Danube...
Rhine does not flow through Hungary...
Disney World, Dollywood & Sea World.
Who could downvote you? It's the fucking truth! There's a bunch of us Americans, who are sick of this shit too, we just can't do anything about it. Yet.
Please don't kill us, we Americans has no say in how our government acts on world stage, at least not anymore. But you can go ahead and do anything you want to our politicians! We will be free hands to help you build guillotines.
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Tell me about Europe's benevolent kings and dictators through the centuries, how they slaughtered 100s of millions and enslaved the rest, you pompous ass!
Anyone who wants to "kill as many stupid Americans as possible" is deceived and has no clue that the nests of those profiting from the wars we didn't want to fight are living on both sides, international thugs who own our banks and the Fed. You hate us because your ignorant. Your Government and my government are in bed together serving these thugs and the people of both sides are caught in the middle of the propaganda. WAKE UP! The American People have had to be convinced through deceptions and Lies to join every one of these wars.
If Russia is your friend, why is Europe so interested in deposing Assad in Syria and opening a pipeline to Qatar?
I'm with you bro!
America is self destructing.
And about time too.
A word that scares those who would be leaders and hence the corruption of its true meaning....
Anarchism.
The word anarchy comes from the ancient Greek (anarchia), which combines (an), "not, without" and (arkhos), "ruler, leader." Thus, the term refers to a person or society "without rulers" or "without leaders."
No 'leaders' - No wars.
Why I am an anarchist
Yes, I agree it seems like people are siding with China here. It is clear that China is the aggressor here. America should broker a territorial agreement between Vietnam and the Philippines on those islands, then help them enforce it.
Does anyone really think a world ruled by China would be any better than the one we've got now? It would be a nightmare.