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What Exactly Is Going On At Lake Mead?
Following our exposure of the plunge in Lake Mead water levels post Friday's earthquake, officials were quick to point out that the drop was "due to erroneous meter readings" - which in itself is odd given we have not seen such an aberration before in the measurements. The data today shows a super surge in the Lake Mead water level - which, even more mysteriously, indicates from pre-earthquake to now, the Lake has risen by the most in a 3-day-period in years (as long as we have found history). How was this level 'manufactured' you ask? Simple - discharge flows from the Hoover Dam were curtailed dramatically. We are sure there is a simple explanation for all this...
Yesterday we noted the plunge in Lake Mead water levels...
Officials said - do not worry, the readings are faulty...
Lake Mead's elevation has NOT dropped to 1,068 feet. Some inaccurate data was posted online. We are at 1,077 feet. http://t.co/a0YUo9iD0P
— Lake Mead (@LakeMeadNRA) May 24, 2015
Which resulted in this miracle...
The biggest 3-day net surge in water levels (0.7 feet from Thursday to Sunday) on recent record...
How was this miracle achieved (given the general lack of precipitation)? Were discharge levels curtailed drastically?
Nope - nothing odd here at all...
So what exactly is going at Lake Mead?
Charts: Zero Hedge, LakeMead.water-data.com
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It was, without doubt, aliens (with the help of eyeSis, of course).
No one has a camera out there?
It would be interesting to compare the Lake Mead water levels with the upstream discharges from Lake Powell.
It has been raining a lot in Vegas last few days.
They should follow the Fukushima geniuses and freeze what’s left of Lake Mead. Frozen lakes have zero outflows. Just ask our Seasonal Adjustors. ;-)
Looney
Ok let’s not get to worked up. The gist of this post is there is some kind of cover up for the drop, but it sounds more like a level sensor got broken during the quake. It’s so easy to determine if there as been a SEVEN FOOT drop. I’m sure we have some ZHers that live near there, go take a look at the lake and let us know if its dropped 7 feet in the past few days.
Don’t give conspiracy theorists a bad name :) Especially on something that is so easy to check. Don't you think if they were BS'ing someone that lives on or near the lake would be callign thier BS.
I understand there is the power generation aspect, but considering the water crisis why would they be discharging anything from the dam?
Taking pictures around a dam in the US. What could go wrong?
I hear Guantanamo Bay is lovely in the late Spring.
Odd, but don't these charts look similar to those depicting physical gold withdrawls from NY Fed vaults?
Just sayin...
Tyler: it was, in fact, raining in the area yesterday. No too surprising that it takes a day to run into the lake.
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Yesterday.aspx
Mebbe just doing a little fine-tuning on their high frequency water level algorithm.
Probably a fat-finger from Waddell and Reed, or a bad subroutine in a Sergey Aleynikov algo.
Okay, Zero Hedge, I've been here a long time, and I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next tinfoil hat wearing dweeb, but I need to finally put my foot down. If there was really a dramatic plunge in Lake Mead there would be photos all over the fucking internet. YOU CANNOT HIDE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
For fuck's fucking sake, cut this shit out already. You make the conspiracy derpers look sane.
I am Chumbawamba.
C'mon Tyler.
If you're going to start the click-baiting bullshit at least do it with stories that contain really good HD shots of naked women.
Amen Bro.
Enough of this tabloid shit already.
I'm doing my part... http://galeinnes.blogspot.com/2015/05/seeking-solutions.html
Because the heat is on! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C070_4ya98Y
After the water dropped they filled it up with gold to raise the levels. Got to keep those assets liquid.
PPT worldwide bitchez!
OK, I have a stupid question. What outflows? You mean through hydroelectric turbines? I assume they aren't just DUMPING what precious little water is behind that thing. So I assume that means less water THROUGH the turbines. Yes? No?
Anyway, just thinking out loud here.... if less water went through the turbines, I assume that means they produced less power. Surely THAT would be a number somebody would have access to.
(As I type this I am fully aware somebody is going to jump in there to say "No, dum-dum, that's not how it works.")
Lake Mead Conspiracy Theory #8: "The Mob topped it back it up, with water boosted from stolen NJ fire trucks. If the water level keeps dropping, someone'll stumble across Jimmy Hoffa at long last, along with God knows how many snitches, bitches & missing G-men."
You morons....it was a TINY earthquake, and it was over 100 miles out of town. I live in Vegas, and didn't feel a thing sitting at my desk (and I've been through many big and small ones and know what they feel like). Almost nobody in town felt it. A few traffic engineers closed down a couple of those flying overhead onramps for half a day so they could wander around and inspect them, and then they opened them back up.....and it would have been very surprising if anything had happened. No way was this going to have any effect on the dam, on the underground water channels, or on any of the sensors. Get real.
(edit: here, look at the distance yourself -
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#{%22feed%22%3A%227day_m25%22%2C%22search%22%3Anull%2C%22listFormat%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%22newest%22%2C%22basemap%22%3A%22terrain%22%2C%22autoUpdate%22%3Atrue%2C%22restrictListToMap%22%3Atrue%2C%22timeZone%22%3A%22utc%22%2C%22mapposition%22%3A[[35.71752800693265%2C-116.0980224609375]%2C[37.74682893940135%2C-112.58239746093749]]%2C%22overlays%22%3A{%22plates%22%3Atrue%2C%22faults%22%3Atrue}%2C%22viewModes%22%3A{%22map%22%3Atrue%2C%22list%22%3Atrue%2C%22settings%22%3Atrue%2C%22help%22%3Afalse}}
)
http://www.lasvegaslimodiaries.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Las-Vegas-...
Man, its so good that "official" readings-metrics-modeling are sooo accurate and divorced from any manipulation.
Thanks .gov! ;-)
You kids - do I have to do everything for you?? Let's consult the original Cylinder Gate Intake Tower Design from 1930. We can cleary see that each rib or 'story' (structural ring, actually) is 15' tall.
This picture is from July 14, 2014 when the pool height was recorded around 1081 ft. - note the dark staining on the concrete and the distinctly ligher rib right near the top of the dark band. The water level is a little over two 'stories' below the lighter reference ring. I don't know the actual ring heights above MSL, but I can clearly see what 1081 ft. of water looks like against the intake towers.
Now this picture was reported taken on March 20th (before all the excitement). Looks like the water level is now about three 'stories' below the lighter rib. That would make it around (probably somewhat less than) 15' below the picture from last year - maybe 1066 - 1068 ft. give or take. Hey - that's almost exactly the level the pool suddenly 'dropped' to after the earthquake! But nothing had happened up until the 20th and the Lake Mead water data page says the pool height was around 1077 ft. on that day.
Then these nice folks went out to the dam and did a little sleuthing themselves. They didn't see any evidence of a thick wet ring on the concrete showing the water level had recently dropped, so they concluded it didn't. Take a look at the intake gate tower at this point in their video. The water looks about like 'three stories' down, or somewhere in the upper 1060's region. Dam officials assure us that the pool height is still around 1077 ft though.
So a bad gauge? Is the 2014 picture wrong? Optical illusion? Aquatic easing? Chemtrails?
But wait! Let's consider another EQUAL possibility: the damn gauge was sticking or malfunctioning BEFORE the earthquake and wasn't recording the actual water level for some time - it was recording too high a level. No, I have no direct proof, but I can look at the 1081 ft. picture from last year if that's accurate and the supposed 1077 ft. claimed level pictures from this year and conclude that the water is not simply 4' lower from one picture to the next.
By some sort of magic and/or clownfuckery, did the gauge suddenly become 'fixed' to show the previous wrong 1077 ft. levels? Hmmm... No. No - the government wouldn't lie to us.
A gigantic dam affecting millions of lives and one God damn publicly-accessable pool level gauge and chart that may or may not work?? Who in the FUCK operates such critical, expensive infrastructure yet insists on being so cheap-assed that they can only afford ONE gague -TEPCO?? Hoover Dam can't afford a back-up gauge and an internet connection? They're spending a bajillion dollars on a sump all the way down to the dead pool so they can COMPLETELY drain Lake Mead if necessary, and they're building a lift pump and new tunnel to Las Vegas that will have the ability to suck MORE water out of Lake Mead than the existing two pipes. Except if the water gets that low, they won't be generating any electricity to run the new sump pump. All that, and we're still relying on Twitter and YouTube to tell what the fuck is going on in Lake Mead!
Dear DHS Stazi: Stop watching porn, enriching Irsraeli counter-terrorism contractor cornies and giving cops MRAPS to 'protect' me. Go out and buy a God damn webcam and a level guage for Hoover Dam, you useless, treasonous fucks! I'm not worried about terrorists attacking Hoover Dam, I'm worried about the mental midgets and terrorists running it today.
I thought Starscream blew up one of those towers just before they broke Megatron out of cryo-prison.
Damn! Wrong link for the video of Lake Mead in my post above. The one taken Sunday, the 14th can be found here and shows the 'three story' below the light rib 1066-1068 ft. levels. No evidence that they just dropped to that level, but rather that it was already there for days.
Agreed. No way can we let that lake get so low - too many .1 percenters have nice boats out there.
The real life Plunge Protection Team at work!
economists were put in charge of the statistics
Funny, our water table in drought level 1 (western PA) suddenly rose 7.5 feet.
Thanks.
This is what happens when local and federal governments become compulsive liars. All credibility has been lost.
Well really... they have always been liars - this is what happens when the people start pulling their heads out of the sand.
"they" used haarp or fracking or smth, caused a quake, and a DUMB flooded lol
Water was sold to Walmart for bottles. The needed alternative source since they were caught buying from the Sacramento CA water district too cheap.
Actually elites probably taking water to put the last American industry out of business - farming.
You have to admit that, on a somewhat rightish fringey, albeit popular, financial website, it's kinda cool we're talking about water level data.
And then arguing about it.
Bread and Circuses, plebe.
Keep Commenting
@Divine Wind - Are you referencing the belangp vid that made that analogy? anyway, that guy kicks ass.
Water disappearing out of a lake? Didn't that happen in a James Bond movie?
My geography is terrible. Is Lake Mead anywhere near Silicon Valley?
Nah, it's by Chicago.
NSA Opt-Out Button
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L3ghuZz9dzQ/UbfpReTBDzI/AAAAAAAAQJc/e1lWbEIKaM...
LOL. <:o)
How can a line on a wall get broken? Thats the sensor, you have lines and some one writes that number down and enters it in the computer.
Mybe someone thinks the leak will plug its self.
I check levels for my swimming spot on the Allegheny online. It's all automated with hourly updates. If our little local dam can do that I imagine the folks at Lake Meade can as well.
All over Texas, when you are driving on country roads, you'll see automated reporting stations at low-water crossings and bridges. They'll have a shortwave radio antenna aimed back at some central monitoring hub. You can see some of their output here:
http://hydromet.lcra.org/full.aspx
It is raining in Texas just now, and the Highland Lakes are filling back up from the drought several years ago. Hopefully the drought pattern in the Rockies will go the same way..
Visit a any body of water, all will be marked with a line on a wall, post or other. All show the water level. Its all in plain view. What ever other little gismos they have in the offices on the water its a line on the wall showing depth.
The question is whether the seven foot drop showed on the gizmos, the line on the wall or both.
My wildass guess is that the line on the wall did not move, and neither did the water level, not by much.
An 8 foot drop is a lot of water to be leaving the lake in just a couple of days. It has lost 150 feet, or something, but that was over an interval of years. And if it didn't leave through the sluice gates but through some (???) other route, I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed, and we'd have phone videos of it on hugetooob.
It was very likely a malfunctioning sensor. The page I linked above frequently shows a 0 flow rate for one or two sites, while nearby sites show various non-zero flows. When that happens, someone has to drive out to the site and replace batteries or something.
Which all highlights the useless nature of the Modern Technological Extravaganza been bought with Taxpayer Money when a fucking stick works Better than the Electronic Crap.
And don't use energy to run all day and night.
I have no problem with people being skepitcal, but where's the motive to cover this up? Not to mention it is so easy to verify by tens of thousands of people I would not be able to be covered up for very long. Don't you think local news would check wiht billy bob at the marina (if there are any left but you get the point) as a followup.
Maybe they checked the line on the wall after the sensor showed a 7' drop, and hense the correction.
I have no problem with the conversation but ZH gets a little worked up, anyone remember Ebola on here. My gosh what a $hit show. There are conspiracies, I just have my doubts that this is one of them.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/water-environment/lake-mead-didn-t-act...
Apparently, no one here has ever had an old car, or tractor with a gimpy fuel gauge.
What are the odds?
Obviously all you denial types saying this is more likely a sensor malfunction are NSA trolls.
Why doesn't the author drive out there and take a look? He's getting paid for writing about it. And if he turned out to be right, well, the bloke who broke the story on the Great Water Heist will be able to write his own ticket. If he survives, I s'pose.
If the water level holds its not a problem if it doesnt, then its a perdicament.
"I have no problem with people being skeptical, but where's the motive to cover this up?"
Myself, I figured that it was a broken sensor or something. But that people were thinking that something was up is indicative of living in a time when just about everything is a lie.
11-22-1963, Iran/Contra, Iraq war, Waco, OKC, WTC 1993, 9/11, Iraq war, Sandy Hook, Boston 'Boom,' Syria gassing, Russia and the Ukraine, Paris shooting...
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
"They lie about everything. Why would they lie about this."
Well, there is a clear motive to cover it up, as if Lake Mead were to fall an additional 50 feet, Las Vegas would have to be abandoned. That would be a bigger panic even than Katrina, more than likely.
That said, facts are currently pointing to this being a load of nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui0EgRsFVN8
Not to me...
I don't live there.
I go to the Bellagio all the time. In the suites they have really nice HUGE showers that are fantastic and decadent.
You see, there's crazy paranoid, then there is zerohedge crazy paranoid. NSA intercepting every stray electron emitting from your computer, even the ones the plate inside their heads block...the plate the aliens put inside...black helicoptors and drones constantly patrolling, watching, waiting....gnomes deep inside mountain fortresses dictating world economic policy...evil minions in the locker room taking a few pounds of air out of the ball for Saint Thomas of Brady....
Anyone who thinks that you can drop the water level that much in that short span of time without someone noticing downstream is an idiot...or the OP.....
Farmers downstream, plus cities.
> but considering the water crisis why would they be discharging anything from the dam?
Wha? Did you not read the article at all? The discharge rate on the 24th was 9,500. The following day it dropped to 2,346 -- a level smaller than any recorded in the past several months.
No no no.. It's easy to figure out
The earthquake cause a tsunami wave to move upstream for a few days and now it's back.
Yeah... That's the ticket!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyp9fh-u4w8
But prolly what happend is Lake Mead water levels were dropped drastically when the quake struck to reduce loading on Hoover Dam by cutting Powell Dam outflows and increasing Hoover Dam outflows
And now iit's filling back again.
Lake Powell level is much higher. Snow melt?
http://lakepowell.water-data.com
Whatever water they are catching today they had better ration out carefully.
No. As I said above Hoover Dam was off-loaded some when the quake struck as there could have been stronger shocks later
So Powell Dam outflows were shut off as Hoover Dam out flows were maxed out.
That is a good supposition. Do you have a source for that?
Fuck off
Like I'm going to do all that work for you.
Do it yourself if you're that interested you pompous lazy ass.,
Did you forget to take your meds this morning?
If you don't have a source, then just say so, you big idiot.
So you're assuming someone smarter than Homer Simpson is at the controls...
http://lakepowell.water-data.com/
They are usually opposite each other. Let someout of powell to fill mead and vice versa....
The greatest danger today is from the little known Phals Phlaegh terrorist group. Operates out of Langley Virginia.
Haven't heard anything.
I'm curious as to the dissolved mineral content ratio as it gets lower.
HA ! The water level shot WAY up again because they started rehypothicating the water.
Or HAARP was down for repairs.
It was, without doubt, aliens (with the help of eyeSis, of course).
Officially, the blame lies with Cliven Bundy.
So they're curtailing output at Hoover to make it look like Lake Mead is fine and dandy? Meanwhile downstream there's no water?
Sounds to me like they've been having a chat with the BLS about how to make things appear better than they really are.
Death throws of Vegas and Southern California.
Won't be sad to see them go. Rather, I'll be a lot sadder to see their citizens come and spread their destructive ideology to their new homes.
Uh.....death throws occur in Vegas daily, at the craps tables. SC is currently in the midst of death throes. Too bad its not DC.
Duh! Don't you mean "death throes". Although the Tyler's make occasional typos, at least they aren't illiterate.
You don't have much on your mind, do you?
i h8 illinois grammer(sic) natzis(sic) [/blues brothers]
Yes he does, check his handle, he has my attention.
Fuck you tmosley. Not all of us are as you portray. Actually, we are the recipients of the rest of the USA's garbage who come here for the obscene bennies and stupid government policies.
Miffed
Non GAAP accounting Tyler.
Spreadsheet magic, ala The Fed. Need some fake spreadsheets to offset the real ones.
"Stop whoring for Wall Street"
http://www.showrealhist.com/yTRIAL.html
http://patrick.net/?p=1223928
Where the River Runs Dry The Colorado and America’s water crisis http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/05/25/the-disappearing-river via @newyorker
I find it hard to believe that cutting the discharge would add 8 feet to the lake in a single day. If that were the case, then there never should ahve been any worry about any drought in the first place.
That is, unless they are obligated to let a certain amount out. Who holds that obligation may well have the fate of tens of millions of people in their hands.
"The biggest 3-day net surge in water levels (0.7 feet from Thursday to Sunday) on recent record..."
Apparently you're using that 'new math' the Fed uses...
8 feet off the low, mate.
8 feet off the obvious false outlier, buddy. Nine inches off the previous day's reading.
Fukushima was an obvious false outlier too, according to some.
Nonetheless, "OFF THE LOWS"
Was there a way to BTFD?
Let's just say by the end of the summer it'll be empty and stay empty for good. The hoover dam will just be a relic by next year, maybe they can offer tours of an empty dam next summer.
Sell base jumping tickets
Could have massive rock concerts in it, the acoustics will be awesome in a big dry canyon.
A black swan? They all died due to lack of water.
You gotta wonder, if they slowed the water going through the damn, does that mean an equivalent reduction in power output? As I understand it, the turbines need to spin at a fairly constant rate (approximatey 140RPM) to produce power. Thus, they must have shut off several (if not most) pinstocks. Is there a way to correlate this to power output or externally supplied power?
http://www.globalwaterintel.com/client_media/images/articles/chart_3.gif
I posted this in yesterday's thread and some others had the same idea:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-24/lake-mead-water-level-mysteriou...
I don't know the answer to your question, but I do know that when all of the Hoover generation stops, a full 10% of the American southwest's hitherto most reliable capacity goes with it. Just in time for summer.
Shit no! Musk was demonstrating his super modulating, double clutching, hybrid 6 cell monster battery with built in water vortex induction pump and inverter. Steve Wynn was impressed as was Harry Where Be My Brain Reed.
Filling the cistern that Bechtel created under the lake.
No need to be alarmed. Just provisions for thirsty elites.
You can drink Brawndo until the nukes rain down.
The water tables probably dropped because the EQ cracked the cistern and one cup flows out of one cup into another and down the crack under cistern. The only thing they'll be sucking on soon is air and recycling piss.
Since today *is* the 25th, are you sure that last number is not for a partial day?
What, you didnt hear? Word has it the BLS has been put in charge..
The FED is pumping water in there!!
They are pumping liquidity.
But can they PRINT water ?
smoke and mirrors BS
keep the sheeple in line.
tick tock
morons
It's not as if a lake is a porcelain lined steel tub.
Wonder how the Hoover Dam is after that quake?
Simple - Double Seasonal Adjustment
So the three day change in the level goes from 1076.78 on 5/21 to 1077.49 on 5/24 and this NINE INCH RISE is some sort of nefarious plot?
Truly, it is.
A plot by internet-based actors to deceive and delude the most moronic of conspiracy followers. Clearly it's working well, or else some people want to believe this nonsense so hard that they just squeeze their eyes shut and wish, oh wish, oh wish that it were true and then it will be.
It's been raining in Colorado ( you know, like where the headwaters of the COLORADO River are) for weeks. Expect to see some rise in the water level as that glut of rain works its way downstream.
That's great and all, but the discharge has been nearly shut off. That is a problem, no matter how you look at it. Unless that just happens regularly (which doesn't seem to be the case), then SOMETHING is going on.
People like to use certain words so they can stop thinking. We call these words "mind killers". "Conspiracy theory" is one such word. We can see how well that has worked over the last few years, as it continues to be easy to dismiss anything said on this page as a "conspiracy theory" (and stop thinking about it), even as things said here continue to be proven correct time and again.
ZH is like any other ball team. It hits some home runs, cranks out a few hits and some stolen bases and it makes some spectacular unforced errors, which simply disappear and are never spoken of again.
I repeat, an 8 foot drop would have made for some spectacular imagery that would be impossible to miss by any of the thousands of tourists visiting the lake every day.
Not every single thought, deed, or daily function of the government is a plot against your liberty. It's a government. Sometimes their shit breaks. Sometimes sensors produce false readings.
No, I don't live there.
Let me ask you about this dam you are talking about. Did it contain a hydroelectric plant? One that supplied 10% of the power to a high-population region?
28,000 KW. Without checking the figures, I would be willing to bet that it provides more than 10% of the power to the region in which it is located.
Look, I'm not trying to bash you. It could well be that the Bureau decided to slow the flow temporarily while while they checked for earthquake damage in various outlets. But if they actually said that in public , it would create a major panic or at least result in some serious internet chatter, wouldn't it?
I'm sure we share a healthy distrust of politicians and rule-making bureaucracies but I'm not going to worry about the operators of Hoover Dam.
If you lived downriver of the dam, that could qualify as famous last words.
28,000 KW won't run 28,000 family size homes for a month, let alone light downtown Vegas for a day.......
When I lived in Truth or Consequences New Mexico, it was not uncommon to completely shut down the Rio Grande river below Elephant Butte for cleaning.
An 8 foot drop in water overnight would have produced some really spectacular pictures of an abrupt and slimy bathtub ring on the lake. You got any?
hehe...elephant butte...
"That's great and all, but the discharge has been nearly shut off."
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I think Tenshin Headache makes a good point, however:
6129915: "Since today *is* the 25th, are you sure that last number is not for a partial day?"
Conspiracy theories were once termed investigative journalism.
Glen Canyon Dam stands in the way. Lake Mead is only 46% full so it doesn't have any excess to send down to Lake Mead.
Still no mention of the impact of the heavy rains in Colorado, which are resulting in more water flowing into the Colorado River towards Lake Mead. Is there some reason this is not included in your "analysis" other than trying to invent a click bait conspiracy theory?
"In Summit County, water is being drained out of Dillon Reservoir to make room for more runoff, which is good news for people in other Western states along the Colorado River.
The Dillon Reservoir is a big source of Denver’s water supply. But with the Mile High City and Front Range saturated, almost all of the water is heading west.
“It’s really good news for the people in Lake Powell and Lake Mead and downstream that could really use the water,” Dillon Marina manager Bob Evans said.
On the Western Slope, the forecast is for more rain through Monday, with snow at higher elevations."
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150524/NEWS02/150529782/0/NEWS01/...
Then why halt the outflow?
6129915: "Since today *is* the 25th, are you sure that last number is not for a partial day?"
Actually, it does look like that is the case, as I just checked it, and the number is different from the one ZH posted. Currently sitting at 2372.82. It's 1:02PM MT, which means the day is more than half over. Outflow has, in fact, been cut drastically, though not as drastically as ZH made it out to be.
Weird reporting methodology. You would think there would at least be an asterisk or something.
As the evening outflows start factoring in, the average is climing, AS EXPECTED. Its already up to 3480, with 6 hours of heavier evening outflows yet to come. Glad you agree (above) that this story is a joke.
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-daily-table.cfm?GAGE=30
That low figure is for 5/25, which is TODAY. Is today over yet?
Wowee, you sure are an expert. Would you bet your life on that figure being for a partial day, rather than a trailing 24 hour period? I'm talking gun to your head, pull the trigger if you are wrong?
This is a situation exactly like Fukushima. We are working off of limited data, but the potential consequences are extremely important to discuss. Unlike Fukushima, this is not the kind of thing that can remain hidden for long. We will know the truth in a week.
Ummm...did you look at the US Bureau of Reclamation data (where the ZH post gets its information) that I posted in my response above? So, yeah, it is for only a few hours for today. The average for today has already increased from what this post shows, as more data has come in.
Any more questions?
You get a gold star for posting facts.
The other poster gets an F for posting pure assertions as facts.
Note, however, that the current discharge rate is cut in half from yesterday, and by 2/3rds from before the earthquake. On track to be the lowest discharge day this year.
But I'm sure that's all just a coincidence, right?
Once again, you can't say anything about the flows until the end of the day. If you look over the last week, you'll see that the heaviest outflows are typically late in the day, so you really can't say anything about any reductions until you look at 24 hours of data.
Looking at the data this way makes this post look like the typical playing with statistics crap that economists use to tell stories. Absolutely apples and oranges, to use a few hours of skewed data to make some lame conspiracy theory work. I can't believe the author is stupid enough to not realize this.
But, hey, if you want to watch hourly outflows with baited breath, whatever floats your boat. From my perspective, there is nothing to see here.
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-daily-table.cfm?GAGE=30
And regarding your speculation about pre- and post- earthquake outflows, looking at year to date averages makes it look like less of an anomaly.
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-ytd-daily-table.cfm?G...
Thank you for posting that in your other post. I hadn't looked at it until just now. That makes it pretty clear that this isn't anything abnormal.
Dunno, but maybe looking at the rate over 24 hours, which is what the rest of the data points represent, would be a more accurate reading. If you look at the last week, on an hourly basis, it looks like the outflow varies pretty widely on an hourly basis:
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-7day-table.cfm?GAGE=30
and here is the data for a few hours of today:
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-daily-table.cfm?GAGE=30
Halt means stop, not slow down. What is your grade for this comment and what is the basis for your assertion that it was halted?
Asking questions contributes to the discussion. Making unbacked assertions (even if correct) while being a dick about it does not.
As for the grade, I get a banana sticker.
https://youtu.be/vxxQS5LJi9w
Wow ZH really shat the bed with this one. Just goes to show how far their standards have fallen.
dey lyen, dats wat.
Meanwhile in North Texas water continues to pile up. The nearby army corp lake has water spilling over the dam for the fourth time in history. As I write the thunder in the distance signals that even more water is on the way.
The local politicians have moved us from "stage III" water restrictions back to stage one.
Also in North Texas we had a 3.3 earthquake last week - just another in a swarm. We no longer say "whats that?" we are getting as good as our west coast friends - right away we say "oh its another quake"
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Sinkhole-Reported-at-Dallas-Fort-Worth-...
I’m guessing the BLS took over measurement and reporting of Lake Mead levels last week.
Either that or an HFT algo started trading it with typical negligible liquidity.
A crack might go into an underground cavern system that was once part of the Colorado River. They should look for bats during the daylight hours.
One should be able to calculate this phenomena by using inflow and outflow calculations. There should be USGS monitoring transmitters for both of these variables.
http://waterwatch.usgs.gov/?m=real&r=nv
here are the USGS transmitters for the State of Nevada. Lake Mead has three main inputs/sources: The Muddy River, the Virgin River and the Colorado River. Lake Mead has one main output/tailwater: The Colorado River. The Muddy, Virgin, and Colorado River (output) hydrographs can be found at the above link by clicking on the respective links.
I'm having trouble locating the inflow from the Colorado, with the exception of using the Little Colorado near Grand Canyon transmitter hydrograph found on the Arizona link:
http://waterwatch.usgs.gov/index.php?r=az&m=real
From the above information, it appears Lake Mead is receiving approximately 12-13k cfs input and around 14.6k output.
EDIT: Lake Mead also supplies Lake Las Vegas, which is currently discharging approximately 200 cfs.
Zorin Industries?
Uhm, I live in Vegas very close to Lake Mead...and noticed that it rained here last night. Which might cause a small rise in water levels. Water is still coming out of the sink here...
Expressed as a ratio, what is the amount of time it would take to check it out and then get back to everybody vs. penning the above useless information?
"I live in Vegas very close to Lake Mead...and noticed that it rained here last night. Which might cause a small rise in water levels."
No. To have a measurable raise a lake's water level, you'd need at least two weeks of monsoon-like ceaseless downpour.
The earth decided to have a drink and then brought it back up!
Looks like the S&P chart. Have the algos hacked the Hoover Dam?
Or maybe you can have electricity or drinking water - you decide.
Hello, Tyler, my name is Shauna Sweater and I am a showgirl working in Las Vegas. I live with six other showgirls in a small mobile home here. We work very hard. Yesterday they shut off our water, and now we fear that we might die of thirst. We pray for some patriotic red-blooded American man to save us, by sending us some money just to get us through. You wouldn't believe how much Perrier costs. But just a few hundred dollars a day should keep us alive until the crisis ends. And, Tyler, if you can manage to visit, please bring lots of baby oil, and remember, I am NOT Shauna Sweat, or Shauna Sweatest. Those two girls are CRAZY and I must advise you to stay away from them. Thank you so much Tyler, and may all your tomorrows be Sweater! :-) :-) :-)