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What Exactly Is Going On At Lake Mead?
Following our exposure of the plunge in Lake Mead water levels post Friday's earthquake, officials were quick to point out that the drop was "due to erroneous meter readings" - which in itself is odd given we have not seen such an aberration before in the measurements. The data today shows a super surge in the Lake Mead water level - which, even more mysteriously, indicates from pre-earthquake to now, the Lake has risen by the most in a 3-day-period in years (as long as we have found history). How was this level 'manufactured' you ask? Simple - discharge flows from the Hoover Dam were curtailed dramatically. We are sure there is a simple explanation for all this...
Yesterday we noted the plunge in Lake Mead water levels...
Officials said - do not worry, the readings are faulty...
Lake Mead's elevation has NOT dropped to 1,068 feet. Some inaccurate data was posted online. We are at 1,077 feet. http://t.co/a0YUo9iD0P
— Lake Mead (@LakeMeadNRA) May 24, 2015
Which resulted in this miracle...
The biggest 3-day net surge in water levels (0.7 feet from Thursday to Sunday) on recent record...
How was this miracle achieved (given the general lack of precipitation)? Were discharge levels curtailed drastically?
Nope - nothing odd here at all...
So what exactly is going at Lake Mead?
Charts: Zero Hedge, LakeMead.water-data.com
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After WW2 GI's could get sex from starving German girls for a few morsels of food. If things get worse with the water shortage, I'm loading up a van full of bottled water and heading to Vegas to rescue these poor showgirls.
Or, just as a thought, might one rescue a few poor thirsty Vegas showgirls and help those refugees immigrate to one's own State? And might Uncle Sam be willing to help, by providing the same Social Security money He provides for refugees from other devastated countries? I can feel my generous helpful rescuing impulses coming on strong. :-)
LOL! Dude you might drive there and find out their are illiterate (it is vegas) and she meant to type golden girls not show girls.
"Dude you might drive there and find out their are illiterate"
Freddie, what's wrong with this picture...
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
https://youtu.be/ubIpoPjBUds?t=29s
Water can slosh around in the area of the guage. It would be interesting whether or not the guage is the kind that measures min/max levels once a day, for example.
Is halting the discharge a death sentence to CA farmers?
HAARP. No, Chemtrails. No, reptilian aliens. Or maybe the earthquake shook the water level meter.
Perhaps its the (literal) 27 straight days of rain in Colorado? We have only had 4 days with zero precipitation since around April 7th. We are living in a fish bowl at this point. I am long hip boots for sure. The Colorado River's headwaters are 30 miles from here and a stretch of it flows within 5 miles of where I a sitting.
slow liquefaction, the lake floor must have a fissure, and the fissure is opening and closing with seismic activity pumping water up and down.
That or the water level guage is in a poor location where there is a lot of wind/movement of the water.
What are the actual water levels, how many guages are there? do they take an average or just work off one meter?
There is also the possibility that there is a goffer or wild animal messing with it/nesting near the guages.
Cherry picking data, which is what you are doing here by comparing the average for a few low outflow morning hours for today, when the evening hours typically are the high outflow hours, and comparing it to averages for full day outflows, is dishonest.
This story adds to MY data that tells me that I must look closely at any conspiracy theories posted on ZH. Tabloid journalism has its followers, I suppose. Have you heard that the US has confirmed the existence of MERMAIDS?
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/49740/u-s-confirms-existence-of-mer...
I suspect it was an honest mistake. The website uses italics rather than an asterisk (which always sends me looking for the footnote, and drives me nuts when there isn't one) to note that the data for "today" is not based on the last 24 hours, but is a running total.
But it is shoddy journalism that falls short of the usual standard here. But then, you can't really expect them to have an expert on the subject on staff.
Although I said I thought it was an honest mistake, I now see this story is stickied without an update, despite the finding of fact that has been carried out in the comment section.
Bad form Tyler. EXTREMELY bad form.
Global haunting.
Winston Smith back from vacation.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
I don't know.......
Talked to Yellen: "Don't worry just open a tap to refill the lake, if in a hurry ? find a bigger tap" she then whispered while smiling "works with the dollar"
Talked to the bureau of unemployment: "It's going fine, and we expect it to be even better SOON"
Talked to the CIA: "no water shortage, we will be waterboarding for years to come, no matter what"
Talked to the people that report on the GDP: "they just forgot to seasonally adjust the data, give those graphs to me and let me fix it"
Now please tell me they can't be ALL wrong, do they?
Take care,
K a n s
Hoover Dam flood gate controller stick save.
My buddy in high school had a junker Bronco II... the dash had a feature that there was no plastic between you and the gauges (speed/gas/oil/etc)... i was looking over at the gas gauge one day and i said we needed to get gas...we're on empty. My buddy goes "no were not" and he took his finger and moved the gauge to F ..."we've got a full tank"... i could see the government doing the same thing... meter errors...plenty of water ...like N Korea with their ballastic missile photoshop jobbers..
Is whoever wrote this article a moron?
1. Today IS the 25th, how about checking TODAY'S total water discharge number when the final number is available TOMORROW.
2. Denver alone has gotten over an 1" of rain in the past week, where do you think the Colorado river comes from?
Geniuses.
Denver rain falls on the wrong side of the continental divide to feed the Colorado River. Genius.
Down voting a FACT makes you a (fill in the blank)?
Actually, baddress appears to be misinformed (ie. the moron).
1. Flow information is reported hourly. http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/hourly/hourly.html
2. Denver is on the east side of the continental divide. The Colorado River comes from the west side. Rainfall patterns are very dissimilar. See http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu
Hey moron, the point is, the data for TODAY is INCOMPLETE. Since water outflow is typically lower in the morning than late in the day, this data is cherry picked and says nothing about what the average outflow for today will be.
As I already pointed out (below, which you didn't bother to read), you are also wrong about the Colorado River getting almost all of the benefits from the recent heavy rains.
"In Summit County, water is being drained out of Dillon Reservoir to make room for more runoff, which is good news for people in other Western states along the Colorado River.
The Dillon Reservoir is a big source of Denver’s water supply. But with the Mile High City and Front Range saturated, almost all of the water is heading west.
“It’s really good news for the people in Lake Powell and Lake Mead and downstream that could really use the water,” Dillon Marina manager Bob Evans said."
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/05/24/mandatory-evacuation-notice-issued...
If you want to see who is misinformed, I'd look in the mirror.
Western slope snow is melting early this year. That's good for the short term, but portends of real problems this fall.
WRT Lake Mead operating info - here's the links to today's info, weekly info and more. Readers can judge for themselves if there appears to be a change in operations - http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-map1-text.cfm
I already posted (below) daily, weekly and yearly data from the website you posted, which readers can use to get a more COMPLETE picture than one week's data.
Discounting the cherry picked partial day that this story is about, the week doesn't look like it is unusual either, if you look at the bigger picture, year to date daily outflows. What makes you think there is any change in operations, based on this?
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-ytd-daily-table.cfm?G...
Also, regarding your doomsday forecast for the fall, weather is pretty unpredictable, but based on the most RECENT rain patterns, its pure conjecture.
spooz asks "What makes you think there is any change in operations, based on this?"
Today's flow is the lowest through the first 13 hours of the last 8 days. Might just be an aberration, but it might also be somehow connected with the earthquake. Then again, most good conspiracy theories turn out to be wild goose chases!
Eight days does not a trend make, unless you are working for main stream media propagandists, who only use them when they support a story they want to push. Chances are there are many other days throughout the year that had similar or lower morning outflows, based on the averages. There is nothing remarkable about this, imo, but maybe you can request hourly data for the year from the usbr if you are so convinced.
Time will tell, of course, but I'm convinced this "story" will become a nothingburger at the end of the day when, I am sure, the usual heavier evening outflows make up for the low morning outflows, and the average doesn't look like such an outlier when compared to a year's worth of data. By then ZH will have successfully managed to generate lots of clicks on a bogus story, so it works well for them. Anybody who doesn't take ZH with a BIG grain of salt is a fool, imo. Its not the first time they've played with statistics to make a story out of nothing. This time is particularly bad, however, with its apples and oranges comparisons.
Doesn't mean I won't continue to read ZH; sometimes they get it right. Doesn't excuse this kind of story, however.
Last hour, as expected, the outflow was significantly higher. As will be the rest of the data for today. Big FAIL, ZH.
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-daily-table.cfm?GAGE=...
Oh, my, already up to 4352 daily average, with 5 hours of higher evening outflow data left to go!
But, no biggie, ZH, you got lots of clicks on a slow news day with a bogus story. Who cares if most of the fools who read your blog won't figure it out and will go repeating silly nonsense to their friends and family? Who says you have any respect for your readers anyways? They're just the useful idiots who trust you and think they can rely on what you report.
Obama?
Fuck ABC Media ltd.
Global warming
Its simple they are printing water......they are good a the printing part its the reality thats the bitch
Hollow earth people took it for irrigation. Banksters that own water companies sabotaged fresh water supply statistics. A big fish in the lake drank it. An underground military base miscalculated on its tunnel to 29 Palms. The water was never there to begin with but the data runs through FED software and algos mistook it for shares of APPL. And so on.
Fucking DUH!
A big fish in the lake drank it.
IF a big fish in the lake drank it, the volume of the fish would expand in porpotion to the amount of water taken in, and this would therefore not be measureable. In any case that water would be returned to the lake as fish urine anyway.
The sarcasm was lost upon you. The science of the fish comment is right up there with NIST and the WTC nonsense.
Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown.
LOL my comment was sarcasm as well, I thought the "big fish" comment was fucking hillarious and warrented a response.
Call me crazy (you wouldn't be the first), but given there's been an earth quake, it makes me think that the sensor (although I have no idea the technology, perhaps a float type device) could have been stuck about seven feet above the actual water level. The quake causing it to dislodge and present the correct water level.
Just a WAG.
Read the comments. Tired of explaining that this is just another ZH conpiracy theory which is based on NOTHING. The dolt took a few hours of typically low outflow morning data and compared it to whole 24-hour days, with typically heavy evening outflows.
Surprise, surprise, the last hour outflows were significantly higher, as expected. How long before this story bites the dust? Like I said, you need to see 24 hours to determine if the average is out of line:
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-daily-table.cfm?GAGE=30
I didn't search the comments for my jackass theory, so it could be a repeat of someone else's guess.
If the levels are correct it could be that there was a wave set up by the earthquake. Think of a bathtub getting a jostling at one end that sets up a wave in the body of water. While not the same, tidal harmonics, such as the Bay of Fundy cause far larger water level changes than the tides alone.
You get what I mean,no?
If you bothered to read the comments at all, you would find out that this story is based on cherrypicked data that has no legitimacy whatsoever.
It was the same union worker who didn't turn off the valve to prevent Three Mile Island nuclear disaster.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmmLZKhv_KI
Always spot on, Your mind is a weapon. (old theme)
WHERE THE FUCK IS DUTCH BOY?!?!?
Mom put him in his pram with binkie. His Gerber carrot lunch gave him food comma.
4+ pages of posts due to rain and snow? I just drove thru that area on my way to and from Yellowstone. All in one day it snowed, rained like cats and dogs, and in some places, sunshine. What a great trip!
Wait until Kalifornia starts rationing toilet water. The liberal scumbags will become what they are...Fleabag gypsies.
Blow into a town and destroy it, move to another town. Wash, rinse, and repeat.
Kalifornia is spelled with a "C." Scumbags is an under-statement. You have upgraded the entire population of the US if you single out Californians. Remember, the United States is the EXCEPTIONAL country in the World and God Has Blessed the USA, if you recall according to that lovely Country tune. Fleabags were immigrants that arrived from your family roots, when your grandpa tried the Bum-Facio your Mom and created the nincompoop that you truly are. From there, your off-spring, with slight over-bites, furrowed connected eye-brows, and ape-length arms, created the truly marvelous I-Cunt action, as in "I cunt hear you!!!!" I-CUNT: IT IS A Verb. Stick your limp dick in your special Mom's ear, with your left hand cover her other ear. Commence blasting so that your balls are smacking the side of her head. When you start to get real hard smash your dick in your ear until she screams "OUCH!!" or "Shit that hurt!!!" at which point you reply "I cunt hear you."
Eh, the day isn't even over yet. Why dont we take a day before panicking. Not everything gets traded in nanoseconds like s&p mini's. ZH seems to have jumped the shark again.
Yup, water outflow is now going up, as is the usual pattern later in the day.
Prediction:
This morning's conspiracy story, based on limited data, loses any credibility by the end of the day.
For those who want to watch with baited breath, in real time, as it happens:
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-daily-table.cfm?GAGE=30
Of course there is a simple explanation.
Water, being required for life, is the ultimate rentier asset.
But first they have to convince everyone one planet 2/3's water, that water is scarce and must be rationed.
Once rationed, they can then also control food supply, and through famine, population.
See?
Simple.
Evil, but simple.
Their vision is that of the Brahmins. Eternal misery and stagnation, socially, economically, and technologically.
No Star Trek for you.
No, even simpler explanation. ZH cherrypicked data that doesn't look too good at the end of the day. Nothingburger.
discharge flows from the Hoover Dam were curtailed dramatically. We are sure there is a simple explanation for all this...
-The plunge protection team
www.ViewLasVegasRealEstate.com
discharge flows from the Hoover Dam were curtailed dramatically. We are sure there is a simple explanation for all this...
-The plunge protection team
www.ViewLasVegasRealEstate.com
Like I said, seasonaly adjusted, bingo +18 ft.....
Sounds to me like very slow wave motion that makes the level sensor read low, then high, then low,..... In reality the level is not changing, but is bobbing up and down at the location of the sensor.
The lake acting like a swimming pool? If so, I wonder where the water splashed over the rim - opposite to Hoover Dam?
So i present credible evidence both EIA and IEa are overstating supply and under demand and this is what zerohedge questions?
Now is a great time to buy Las Vegas real estate.
- Las Vegas Board of Realtors.
Yeah, and what are the Vegas odds on Lake Mead these days?
Vegas betting on its own death seems somehow appropriate.
"What Exactly Is Going On At Lake Mead?"
Aliens and/or gremlins would be my guess.
So, today's daily average, with 4 hours of the usual larger evening outflows left to go, four more data points to factor into the final daily average, is now up to 5,238.
But no correction on this silly conspiracy theory, based on a few hours of today's typically low early morning outflows, which was compared to full day averages with the usual heavier evening outflows included. Just let this post age off and maybe nobody will notice?
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-daily-table.cfm?GAGE=30
Conspiracy dead in the water. Today's average is now up to 6,542, with three more higher outflow data points to go for today. Still no explanation from ZH for this flawed and misleading analysis.
It is not just Lake Mead, Lake Mohave which is just down stream from Lake Mead is also dropping quite a bit today. Weird stuff.
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/hourly/hourly.html
What are you looking at? Do you even know how to read data? Your link is for hourly data for today, and even that doesn't show a lot of variation.
Tell me what looks unusual about the Mohave year to date data:
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-ytd-daily-table.cfm?G...
Nothing to see, just like the ZH "data".
And what IS weird is how people can look at a data set and come up with an opinion about it who apparently know nothing about data analysis.
Since you're so talented at data analysis spooz, perhaps you can shed some light on the 1 1/2 foot rise in Lake Mead from the 11:00 measurement to the 12:00 one. That's got to be - what - several thousand acre-feet of water in an hour. Having any biblical floods around noon today?
Hard to say, could have something to do with water from the heavy rains in Colorado reaching Lake Mead from the Colorado river. Also hard to say if that is even unusual, since only the most recent week is shown on an hourly basis. Do you have any information that indicates it is, other than idle speculation?
In any case, it was not caused by a "halt" in the outflows, which look relatively normal for the 24 hour period, contrary to this flawed ZH "analysis".
I'm no expert, but I'm pretty damn sure Lake Mead rising 1 1/2 foot in an hour is far more unusual than it possibly dropping eight feet in 24 hours, the subject of this post. See the connection?
I'm not suggesting it had anything to do with outflows either - the gauge is bad and the readings are garbage.
unfortunately the lake powell data is daily; will be interesting to see what was released on the 25th
lake mead hourly, 7 days
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverdata/gage-7day-table.cfm?GAGE=30
lake powell, daily
http://www.usbr.gov/uc/water/rsvrs/ops/crsp_40_gc.html
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/seiche.html
maybe they are shutting down most of the electric generating turbines.. does that also go into the price of the water they sell?
Don't you get it yet? This analysis is flawed in that it only showed a few hours of data from early in the day when outflows are lowest. As of now, with three more data points left to be averaged in, from late in the day when flows are higher, the average is already up to 7,905, much higher than the 2,346 ZH shows, and it will end up higher based on the usual way outflows vary during an average day.
The analysis is flawed and ZH makes no correction. Big FAIL.
The Fed is testing its new water printing machine.... there are obviously a few bugs to work out before it is ready for prime time
Lake Mead outflow averaging 8,545 with two hourly data points left to average in. Any correction for the lame "analysis" yet, ZH? The outflow looks perfectly normal at the end of the day...
Thanks for being all over this spooz and putting up with the idiots around here and setting them straight. What little credibility ZH and their russian puppet masters have left is flowing out faster than Lake Mead. The fact that most of your posts are only getting a 1:1 up:down vote ratio just shows how far the readership of this site has devolved. And as you've alluded to, the lack up update from ZH manning up and admitting the mistake is perhaps more disturbing than the initial flawed story being posted in the first place.
WOW! WOW! WOW!, Water level at Lake Mead mysteriously drops and then bounces back! ALIENS? GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY!, TERRORISTS? EARTHQUAKE?..........or maybe they fixed the sensor.
Good guess. Looks like the previous ZH hype about the big drop was based on unofficial data, and does not agree with the hourly data provided by the US Bureau of Reclamation. Maybe ZH should have checked the official USBR website before getting everybody all "excited". But what fun is that?
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/water-environment/lake-mead-didn-t-act...