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This Is What Happens When A Millennial Tries To Get A Job
In “Global Youth Unemployment Hits 35 Million As Recent Grads Lean On Parents,” we documented what we have called the “pitiable plight” of recent college graduates whose degrees now cost in excess of $35,000 and who are entering a job market bereft of real opportunities for gainful employment. The OECD estimates that in member countries, as many as 35 million people aged 16-29 are out of work. In a related story, Sallie Mae (from which the nation’s number-one issuer of student loan-backed ABS was spun last year) recently reported that better than two-thirds of parents expect to provide financial support to their children post-graduation. With this in mind, consider the following data on youth unemployment in the US.
From Generation Opportunity (a nonprofit):
- The effective (U-6) unemployment rate for 18-29 year olds, which adjusts for labor force participation by including those who have given up looking for work, is 13.8 percent (NSA). The (U-3) unemployment rate for 18-29 year olds is 7.9 percent (NSA).
- The declining labor force participation rate has created an additional 1.828 million young adults that are not counted as “unemployed” by the U.S. Department of Labor because they are not in the labor force, meaning that those young people have given up looking for work due to the lack of jobs.
- The effective (U-6) unemployment rate for 18-29 year old African-Americans is 19.6 percent (NSA); the (U-3) unemployment rate is 12.8 percent (NSA).
- The effective (U-6) unemployment rate for 18-29 year old Hispanics is 14.1 percent (NSA); the (U-3) unemployment rate is 9 percent (NSA).
- The effective (U-6) unemployment rate for 18-29 year old women is 11.7 percent (NSA); the (U-3) unemployment rate is 7.5 percent (NSA).
“College graduates will spend the upcoming month looking toward their futures – but as they celebrate, their ability to get a job remains top of mind. Young people have seen their economic situation improve in 2015. While we’re glad for that, April’s jobs report still shows a 13.8 percent youth unemployment rate, a discouragingly high number for those who are hoping to embark on their careers in the next few weeks,” the group’s Director of Policy Engagement at Generation Opportunity Luke Kenworthy says.
“If you look at the numbers starting in 2009, we’ve been in the longest sustained period of unemployment since the Bureau of Labor Statistics began collecting their data following World War II. This misconception that we don’t want jobs or that we’re lazy and entitled is nonsense,” a spokesman added, in a statement to Newsweek.
According to the OECD, one of the reasons recent graduates have so much trouble finding jobs is that their degrees aren’t preparing them for life in the workplace with 10% of new graduates displaying poor literacy skills and 14% exhibiting subpar numeracy skills.
But it’s not just the skills gap. College degrees (even graduate degrees) have become so commonplace (thanks in part to the proliferation of student loans) that they are no longer sufficient in and of themselves to guarantee their holders will find good jobs. One 25-year old who lives in the nation’s capital told Newsweek that even with her master’s degree, she has found waitressing is the better option in today’s job market:
Millennials face higher university tuitions and student loan debt than ever before, as well as stiffer competition when they enter the workforce. A 25-year-old who recently earned a master’s and is living with a friend in Washington, D.C., tells Newsweek she is waitressing while looking for a job better suited to her qualifications.“It’s hard,” she says. “They don’t want to pay you extra for your master’s. There are enough people with master’s degrees that they can require them.”
As a reminder...

Millennials have also discovered what we’ve been harping on for months: for most Americans, there simply is no wage growth.
Millennials are getting lower earnings compared with the nation’s median income, versus people of that age a decade ago. “We find that because of the difficulties facing millennials, they are delaying these important life decisions, like getting married, buying a home, starting a family,” Pasch says.
In a study by Carnevale’s center at Georgetown, the age at which young adults on average reach the median wage, across education levels, increased from 26 to 30 between 1980 and 2012. Those hardest hit were high school graduates and young men. Full-time employment for high school graduates declined 13 percentage points for the period, while the rate for university graduates declined by 8 points. As of 2012, young men earned only 58 percent of the mean wage, down from 85 percent in 1980.
Circling back to the issue of whether millennials are getting what they paid for (or, more appropriately, what they almost certainly didn't pay for and never will) from US colleges and universities, it's looking increasingly likely that the push to educate America's youth (spearheaded by easy access to borrowed money) may end up backfiring, as prospective students assess the difficulty recent graduates have had in finding jobs that are commensurate with their experience and ask themselves if four years of their lives and $35,000 in debt is really worth it. Here's Newsweek again:
Carnevale says graduates are feeling let down by their universities, even as the institutions jack up the cost of tuition. “I don’t know if you noticed,” he says, “but we have a debate raging in this country right now over whether universities are supposed to teach for enlightenment or to prepare students for the job market. You still see presidents at some very prestigious universities arguing for the former, not the latter.”
Of course that could be because graduates from "very prestigious universities" are often i) deeply connected thanks to family pedigree and ii) heavily recruited, making it easier for them to find jobs and thus rendering the distinction between teaching "enlightenment" and teaching hard skills less meaningful. Whatever the case, you can probably count "presidents at some very prestigious universities" unconcerned because as the following excerpt makes clear, they're doing just fine.
Via Bloomberg:
Ivy League presidential pay is looking more like the big leagues.
Columbia University paid President Lee Bollinger $4.6 million in 2013, a 36 percent increase from the year before, according to a tax filing released Tuesday. Yale University recently revealed it paid former President Richard Levin a bonus of $8.5 million when he retired in 2013 after 20 years.
Presidential pay at elite universities is increasingly resembling that of corporate America, with performance bonuses and exit packages. While colleges say the rewards reflect the complexity of running multi-billion-dollar organizations, professors, alumni and others have questioned whether it is appropriate for nonprofits.
Here to sum up what it's like to be a millennial with a newly-minted $35,000 degree hunting for a job in America is another recent graduate from the DC area who told Newsweek the following:
“You’re like, ‘I’ll do anything and apply for everything, but usually it’s an electronic filing and you’re spending all your time on it and never hear back. So far, I have applied for around 30 jobs, if not more, and have heard back on two of them. I didn’t get either job because I don’t have enough experience. These are entry-level jobs, but experienced people are taking them.”
Good luck millennials and remember, there's always the farm.
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I clicked for the Cooter girls, and nothing here!
I could believe this, anywhere but DC.
There are endless parasite jobs for anyone with a degree and a pulse. This broad is working on her Mrs. degree, so hubby will do the work.
Government is evil.
We need less evil.
The 18-29 year old are not the lazy and entitled ones. Its the 35-50 yr. old managers and execs that dont do ANYTHING of value and cut jobs to justify their insane salary increases.
All the naieve millenials that bought the lies spewed by the fudgepacker and voted the thing into office are now getting fukt by the job killing policies, rules and regulations put forth by the illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic pathologic liar..... these poor bastards are getting as had as the American blacks that supported that lying turd who only givesashit about its celebrity grand imperial golf lifestyle.... the turd has the reverse midas touch on everything it touches both domestically and globally and what is sad is that all these poor bastards are cortically blind to the fact they are sucking a dried hind tit courtesy the fudgepacker....
Gud speling wood iimprouve yr point.
But, not much.
Things are getting pretty interesting.
I knew that Angela, who grew up in Soviet East Germany spoke both German and Russian.
I have never seen her speak English until just the other day.. and she did it with purpose against the possible Cameroon (sp on purpose) EU defection.
Heh heh ha ha..I really hate the games.;
and.. boobs are good.,
(very low level audio on Redacted)
I hope Elizabeth Warren runs. That's who I'm voting for. Is she a fudge-packer? I'm not sure. But I need my free health-care.
Once upon a time there were many many usless bags laying around, so the king decided, "Hey, let's push them all into war"....
Jobs?? That's SO YESTERDAYS WAYS, today, it's called CONTRACT OR CONTINGENCY EMPLOYMENT....
Enjoy your part time / low pay BS too, those who are fortunate to be given a real job, well good for you, but if you want a tip, well here it is...
Save your money, so the crooks on wallstreet can jack it all when they collapse the banks & steal everyone's pensions....
PS there is no hope in money or riches, just stop lying to yourself.
You spoke truth.
Try to make some money, that's fine.
But live your life first, the baby boomers are an aching, scared and broken generation that has nothing but their precious money left. So many have lost their families, friends and health to the relentless pursuit of money.
Sad really.
I thought we could earn 7K a month working from home on the internet?
My friends cousin does. And only works part-time.
"Gud speling wood iimprouve yr point."
It is pretty much an international forum here so that one is attempting to communicate in english at all is a good start.
...But dat is some funny stuff. Eye rolled.
So I am a millenial. 25 at the moment. So i've been reading this trhead and all this negativity about how millenials are dumb and get worthless college degrees that mean nothing... Well I would like to defend the millenial generation and put in my two cents...
First of all, I migrated to the USA from Ukraine when I was 8 back in 1997. Both my parents and grandparents even went to college in the USSR and worked as doctors in Ukraine, but got paid shit in the 90's so we migrated...
My parents worked doing adult day care when we first got to this country not the easiest of jobs, and my mom had a dream for me to go to college here as for them college was associated with a good job. My mom also went to school when she first got here worked nights and studying during the day. Now she is a teacher. Now as far ast the worthless degrees when I was 17/18 first going to college (I went to state schoold with a 1/3rd scholarship I had no idea my double major in International Business/Business Economics (that i chose as I speak 3 languages fluently) will have no meaning once I graduate) When I was on my junior year the crisis hit in 07/08 . Thats when I started to reaize how useless the economics classes (as econ was my main interest) were taht I was being tought in school. In 2012 when I was on my last year I helped work on the Ron Paul presidential campaign through Young Americans for Liberty and thats when I learned about Austrian economics. When I started reading Austrian Economics and realizing how fucked up our economy is (US and global) I also realized how fucking hard it would be to get a good job in this shitty economy. At the same time I also became very interested in geopolitics and how geopolitics and economics go hand in hand. Started with learneing about the Rothschils lol... So then when I graduated I continued studying Austrian Economics on my own more of the New School of Austrian Economics with Professor Antal FEkete to be exact.. I got my (naive) parents (well just my mom, my dad doesn't listen to me as I am for Russia and the rebels in east Ukraine and he is for the Uki Fascists and the dollar as he is brainwashed) to switch out her retirement 401ks for silver as I understand I need to preserve her retirement and I don't make any money myself yet. So I graduated did a lot of self studying look for many jobs got a shitty job as Shift Supervisor at a CVS making a quarter above minimum wage in a "managerial position" (keys to store, looking over elderly cashier ladies) and thought how shitty life is as I'll never be able to pay my 35 k in student loans and move out. But I did get my mom to invest a good amount in silver :) So anyway I applied for a master's degree to stand out from the wortheless bachelor degrees that mean nothing nowadays.. Speaking back to that its the babyboomer generation that offers us or better yet tricks us millenials into marketing and offering us these wortheless degrees that teachc you nothing.. So yeah thank you babyboomers. (think about that when you talk shit< your generation enrolls our generation into taking these degrees) . So anyway I got a full ride as a graduate assistant in a small private college and I will just receive my master's degree in Organizational Leadership later this month actually. Now this degree actually taought me good people skills, leadership and how to negotiate, and I am interested and hopefull that I will be able to find a decent job with this. Unfortantely I know the gloabl economy is bound to crash as my main interest is still economics but now Universities offer a degree in Austrian Economics? So my plan is to use some of that silver i got for my mom to start my own business when the economy run by your baby boomer generation crashes.. that enslaved me in student debt on my bachelor degree. And sorry I was not smart enough to realize how useless bachelors degrees will be when i was 17, but I also did not want to go work as a plumber or laying concrete so its a catch 22.. assholes! Also, if i didn't get my bachelors I prolly woud not have know about the economy and how its all fucked up as I started to realized that when I was taking all these usless econ classes in my undegrad. So please baby boomber generation, I am tired of writing but can go on and on... stop talking so much shit because its not our fault your generation offers us usless degrees and fucked up the economy to the point that we can't get jobs. However, I do only speak for the dedicated hard working millenials as there are a lot of retarded brainwashed by liberal media idots in my generation, I know and agree with that with you babyboomers. However, there are retards in every generation so please. Stop the hating. Lets unite and fight true bad guys who are making it tough for all of us instead of creating this generation divide everyone! Done typing not proof reading this.. laggy internet.
Pce .
Sashko
good rant
Sashko89,
Outstanding rant. You give me, the old dude hope! Right on bro right on!
Thank you, I read two pages of this thread before I decided to post but didn't know where excatly to post so i chose the front page.
Also, P.S. I would just like to add that the reason a good portion of the millenial generation are brainwashed retards is because they've been raised by the liberal media that is run by a certain elite and used enrich a certain segement of the elite babyboomer generation by dumbing down and making slaves out of everyone esle... (Zerohedge readers should know this)
Lets unite against the true bad guys and inform as many people as we can as to what is goin to on in order to save our planet from destruction and esnlavement to the elites and a thrild world war instead of saying its your generation, no its your generation! Each generation has its Rockefellers, Clintons, and Snoop Dog (is a baby boomer) and/or other fags like Bieber if he's even old enough to be a millenial lol..
But the point is that most sheeple of any generation are a product of the elite who use their liberal media as a guinea pig experiment to turn us into slaves. (good thing zerohedge readers are more like the sheepdogs versus the sheep who watch mainstream:))
Pce
We just all need to get along dude. The black, the white, The USSA, the Ukrainian.
One of the "Stories of the Day" on NPR is the doubling of homeless in LA due to the Great Rekovery and Green Shoots.
" Yes we kan! "
Greatest radio story ever. Israeli radio paid for by US taxpayers.
I've seen alot more beggers under/near the highway intersections also. The really sad ones are the Vietnam Vets with no legs or missing an arm or similar.
Sashko pack your stuff, you are moving to Tahoe. I need help all summer $20 an hour, $25 after 2 months, you will get tan and strong as a bull. Message me, your hired.
TahoeBilly, Thanks for the offer! I would, but I live in the Midwest, and I'm not sure if I have the balls to move so far away, especially to California where Tahoe is If I'm not mistaken... also the water shortage there scares me, but I definitely do appreciate the offer!:)
Thanks!
Got you! :-) I am a Baby Boomer, and I moved a number of times to where I could get work. Plus, it wasn't necessarily work I wanted to do. It was work that paid. We have choices. We can starve, and complain, or we can go where the work is and do what the work is. And I didn't blame the Greatest Generation for not giving me the job I wanted, where I wanted, for the pay I wanted. Lastly, if you need a saleable skill, why are you studying economics? Study plumbing or something.
i didn't get a master's degree to go do plumbing. I feel like baby boomers constantly tell millenials to become plumbers (as best advice) that you can call on at old age? Not everyones dream is to be a plumber or concrete layer...
I WILL TRY TO BE MORE HELPFUL. :-)
0. What college DOESN"T teach is, how to get a job, especially one you can excel at. College teachers already have jobs, and many of them haven't looked for a job in a long time, so they aren't even thinking about getting a job. If they aren't thinking about getting a job, they can't teach getting a job. So, (unfortunately?) you have to create your own project to teach yourself. Here are some thoughts that I personally found helpful (not all to me, but some for others I know, and some for me).
1. If there was one teacher in college who impressed you, you could interview that teacher and ask him what he loves about his work and who he admires in his field, and then you could go interview that person and ask him the same questions. I haven't found the reference yet, but this is called "surveying". In surveying, you do NOT ask how you can get a job, or apply for a job. You just let people talk about their work. People like to talk about their work, and about what they enjoy about their work, and about who they admire in their field of work. The idea is that, if do this surveying, it won't take you very many surveys to find someone you would really like to work with, and that person might well OFFER you a job, or you could then return to that person in a second interview and make a PROPOSAL to work for that person, and tell him exactly what you would like to do, and why you think it might be helpful for both of you for you to do it.
1a. If there was one book you read in college that really impressed you, you could interview the author. As Deepak Chopra says, "everyone in the world is only 3 (or is it 4?) people away from you".
2. What Color Is Your Parachute.
3. Johnson O'Connor Center. This non-profit was created by an industrial engineer, Johnson O'Connor, who, in managing a large factory, discovered that some people who might at first seem to be slackers ended up excelling when transferred to other jobs. What Johnson O'Connor then did was invent a battery of tests for measuring APTITUDES. He found that, when people were doing work which used a lot of their natural APTITUDES, they ended up enjoying their work, and being excited by their work, and excelling in their work. So what the Center does is measure your APTITUDES, and then suggest what types of work (which could probably be found within your chosen field) you might enjoy more, and might excel at because you enjoy it. The battery of tests does cost some money, but not as much as a semester at most colleges.
4. Professional organizations. Every profession has local chapters of its professional organizations. In these chapters, all "levels" of practicing professionals meet, including the top salesmen/entrepreneurs right down to the just-got-their-professional-license (10,000 hours of professional practice, plus passing the professions' licensing exam), to the just-got-their-first-job/trying-to-learn-how-to-succeed. You don't have to already have a job to join the organization. So join. And go to every meeting. And, most importantly, volunteer. Every organization needs people to serve as Secretary, Treasurer, etc. Anyone can be Secretary, and when you are Secretary, you will be emailing the minutes of every meeting to every person, high and low, who is a member of the organization. Your name will be among the best known names in the organization. Also, every organization has, every year, at least one, and maybe half-a-dozen, events it sponsors. Volunteer to help work on these events. Usually, the people doing the most work on these events will be the just-got-licensed and the just-got-a-job people, and they know best where the entry-level work is, because they are the ones doing it. And anyone who helps will be appreciated. EVERYONE is ALWAYS looking for helpers.
5. If your interest is in politics, then I am glad that you helped with a campaign. You can ALWAYS help with campaigns. Not many paying jobs there, of course, because most campaign money goes towad buying yard signs and, if there is any left, maybe a newspaper ad, a radio ad, or a television ad. But the other people working on the campaign may know people who are successful in their businesses, and can afford to hire someone in their businesses, and such people will often be motivated to hire someone who not only is an asset to their businesses, but also a helper in their political efforts.
6. On a negative note, don't expect resumes to accomplish much. Most businesses these days get some work for government, and government requires them to jump through hoops, one of which is paying lip-service to hiring or at least considering hiring people based on their resumes. But I don't think many people get hired on the basis of their resumes. I think most people get hired by people who already know them, and that is why one does 1. - 5. above.
7. If you have earned a college degree, you have proven that you are smart and hard working (is there any difference?). Anyone who is smart and is hard working is NEEDED by someone, because everyone in business NEEDS help. I checked my horoscope this morning and it said "Sashko89 is a TIGER who will have a very successful career". :-)
8. P.S. Lastly, if you are an extrovert, you may already be doing some of these things. But if you happen to be an introvert, then you aren't going to "change" into an extrovert, but you can understand that part of your professional challenge is always going to be "how to force myself to be extroverted ENOUGH, long ENOUGH, to survive and excel". For this, I have found, a checklist and a calendar are my personal best weapons. I schedule in things I HAVE TO DO, because if I don't do them, I know, I won't get the chance to do the things I can DO BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET and can therefore HELP BY DOING. :-)
SASHKO, INHIBI,
I just saw this.
http://www.amazon.com/Pedigree-How-Elite-Students-Jobs/dp/0691155623/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1432994013&sr=1-1&keywords=pedigree+how+elite+students+get+elite+jobs
Lauren Rivera, Pedigree: How Elite Students Get Elite Jobs
Also, author Lauren Rivera was interviewed in the Atlantic.
IMHO, this is why joining and volunteering for everything you can volunteeer for in the local professional organization of your profession offers an entry point if you weren't born to financially/politically/business-savvy/connected parents. Your resume might be ignored by HR departments, but the people who tell the HR departments what to do will be in the professional organization, and will appreciate your volunteer efforts, and may tell their HR departments to take a look at your resume, and ask their HR departments if they can find a place for you.
Sashko, the greatest fortunes are made during the most extreme times, and having that knowledge is more than half of the battle.
One time I read, that in post war Berlin a city block could have been had for 10 oz of gold (I might have the amount wrong but I know it was close) so keep the faith.
It's just my opinion, but I believe you should always proof read something, but then again I'm an early generation X and my mum would beat me if I didn't speak clearly.
GL
Agree with you about the 'saleable skill' thing. Although "skills" can really be anything if you're a good salesman (i.e. bullshitter).
I do think a big part of my generation has problems with doing regular manual labor like construction and other things. Which I don't entirely understand why. It's really easy to see the value you build by literally building something physical (as an example.)
On the other point, I disagree that he should have to move to get a job. If everyone just keeps 'moving where the work is', what happens when that work disappears? There is something wrong with the core concept that people should just give up on where they currently are and move to wherever there's work. Because it may be that eventually there's nowhere left to move to. The places that people are moving from have to be fixed, not run away from. I do agree that people willing to move to work show initiative and possibly will be better workers since they do what needs to be done to get what they want, but I still stand by my previous statement that it isn't something they should have to do.
...although I admit that's idealistic (and since I'm personally a realist I moved away from the land of 'freedom').
TB2012...
See, that is what is wrong with millenials, they 'want' something but don't want to work for it.....Passing up an offer to work in Tahoe like this would be the dumbest thing ever for a young person.
If you are offering, and we are negotiating, is the $20/hr cash? How many hours per week are you offering?
I wonder whether Millenials are cursed by computer games. Computer games make one sit on one's butt, and are totally unlike real life, because in real life one must:
(1) get up on one's own and get prepared on one's own and go out on one's own; and
(2) work with strangers and listen to them and treat them with respect even if they seem weird; and ESPECIALLY
(3) do unexciting unfun things, because if something is exciting and fun, people are going to do it themselves; they aren't going to pay someone else to do it for them.
Dear millenial
I'm 60, I get up at 1:00 am drink coffee, hit the shopping centers at 2:00 sometimes sooner. Been working my ass off for decades. I pick up trash and fix shit. I am the best fucking maintenance man there is. I am respected by my clients. I call my own shots now and charge a pretty penny. Over 100k working 4 hrs. a day (that includes driving time), 7 days a week with help from my son. I have a superior work ethic, nothing is left undone and in fourty years I might have had 2 call backs.
Get the point here son? I didn't tell my children to go to college, although two of the three did or are. I told them to do something they enjoy and be the best at it they can possibly be and they will be recognized if they are infact all that and a bag of Doritos. If not you are mediocre. The world is full of mediocre and they are used and abused in the workforce. That isn't going to ever change. So rise to the top, put in more than is expected and you will succeed. A masters? You think you can teach my children any lessons?
Get to work.
Is this satire or serious? You're talking about working 4hrs a day for 100k in the same breath as calling the millenials lazy for working more hours in their unpaid internships for free. You arent the only person in the world who works hard and cares about your clients. But youre fucking dillusional if you think that justifies a baby boomer making 100k for low skill work while intelligent, hardworking, honest, dedicated people of any age cant find a job at all.
personally i don't think either one of you are the sharpest crayons in the box.
Idunno. People set out $100, $200, and even more expensive items next to the garbage every day. Maybe the item lost a screw, and so the owners just use that as an excuse to purchase the newer improveder thing. If you get there before the garbage truck, and then fix this stuff and sell it at, say, eBay or the Flea Market, I can imagine $100k a year. The key is that you have to sell the stuff. Noone is ever going to PAY YOU $100k to do work like this as long as THEY are ones doing the selling. ALL the top earners in the world are salesmen.
I liked the rant too!!!!
I normally work from home and I write code for a very large phone company.... also a very old one...... It's hard to break in these days and, you're right to rant.... Hell.... at least ... you're awake..... I'm pissed too and, I'm 50.... been working in the business steady for a very long time.... I'm just as fucked as you are and everyone else is.....
We'll just do the best we can and.....
I liked the rant.
Dear Sashko,
You break my heart. What you must understand is that the set up is to hone in one one group or another as the bad guys, the fall guys for the woes. There are and always will be bad guys. In 1929 when the market crashed and thousands were lined up outside JPM bank...closed, no withdrawls..the ceo took 1 million dollars out of the bank and went home, nothing happened to him. Nothing happened to him, sound fimiliar?
You only key to success and to survive in this fantasy stage show of a world is to be smarter than the show itself. Re-invent yourself and do it often, be your own boss. The mouse can do just fine under the elephants foot, but if high money rewards are your goal then your need to put your soul on the block to the highest bidder, not unlike slavery, or use every resource of cleverness to defeat the program.
So I'm one of those "baby boomers" brought up in the 60"s. Maybe we should go back to that!!! WE shook up the Johnson"s, Nixon"s, et.al. Even did my stint in Nam. AAAHH, the good 'ole days...there is definately a revolution going to happen and I will join your generation. Bring back Led Zeppelin
+1 Zeppelin Reference.....
+1 for +1ing the zeppelin ref. local station just played a special vinyl remastered pressing of III last sunday. bliss...
My guys I work with finally got behind me blasting "Boogie with Stu" when we would make a huge sale...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvKGM93yoCI
I think they named themselves by saying.... "well, I think we'll go over like a, "lead (sic) zeppelin"..... +1
Bring back Zephyr! Bring back Tommy Bolin! :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyCLQFV50mU
Bring back Hitler.
What is wrong with being a plumber or laying concrete?
Means actually having to EARN a fucking salary, that's what. I do this stuff for a living, and I am getting sick and tired of being demeaned by this world. Freeze, starve, walk you fucking turds. There is no shame in working with your hands.
I logged in just to green you. There is no shame in working with your hands. In fact, when the curtain finally drops on this shitshow, you will be the one man in 100 that has useful skills that will enable you to survive. I sometimes wish I had gone to trade school rather than college. I'm learning trade school skills now in my free time, but it is a slow process learning from books and videos rather than learning from a dedicated instructor who knows his shit and yanks the wrench/hammer/blowtorch from your hands before you make a fatal error. I have already informed my kids that if they want to go to college, they either get a job and work through school the way I did, or they go to trade school and learn a useful skill and I pay full ride. I think two of them are going to go for the trade school option. The third kid is my hopeless case who wants to go to school to learn anthropology, for fuck's sake. What practical applications does anthropology have for Joe Sixpack?
Anyway, listen up Hedgers. If you don't know how to garden, now is the time to learn. If you don't know how to hunt, start by practicing at the range with your rifle or shotgun and get your ass out there this fall. If you do know how to hunt but don't process your own meat, watch some videos and commit to learning this hunting season. Learn to forage. Learn to start a fire without a match. Learn at least three ways to purify water without modern tools. If you don't remember how to hold a hammer from high school shop, befriend an old-timer who does know and ask him to be your instructor. The day when the power stops and the faucets run dry is too late to learn this stuff. It takes time to develop skills.
I've welded for thirty years and have never regretted it.
dude, swallow that fart and get a job with the tbtf or the fed for Christs sake. then do something.
Its not your fault Sashko, its the globalists. That trade deficit no one talks about, look at it. Nothing has been done about it, nothing will be done about it because all the politicians with rare exception are for it because they get paid off for continuing crappy trade policy whether its a country in an 'agreement' or not (like china)
So ......… do you millennial guys know how to use paragraphs?
I seriously think you should talk to someone about these "feelings" you are having.
I can give my diagnosis?
Ukrainian, Jewish, worker, virgin (by the way never eaten a woman)
Good text, a boring galoshes.
My son, come back to their land, please have an AK-47 that you will have more fun!
Ukrainian in beauty only compare to the Brazilian.
Who knows where it comes from well knows where it goes.
You are Slavic, it has Slavic blood, use his balls.
:-)
International forum, thanks... I will use that... never been able to spell...
Not attempting to detract from your point, btw... still a useful concept, will have to borrow it...
He opened with 'fudgepacker' and reinforced the point by closing with 'fudgepacker'. Well written rant imo.
Somewhere in your ignorant rantings you convinced me that THIS is the president that REALLY did it - not a long history of increasingly bad decisions.
But why would "an international" complain about USA politics. Why wouldn't "an international" complain about the politics in HIS country? My vote is for "slept through spelling, grammar, and history class".
priceless rant (fuck good spelling)
"Ain't nobody got time for that!"
Stupid upon stupid.
So your trying to tell me someone from your generation (Obama, Holden, Hitlery, Biden, Bush, etc) isnt at fault.
No its the voters. Cause we all know how much power voters have /sarc
Maybe you should look into improving your logic, the kind that your generation clearly lacks.
Ah, blow me, you cry-baby cocksucker. When I was your age I didn't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of---join the military like I had to do. Whiner!! I wouldn't hire your sniveling ass either, and I'm not impressed with your worthless degree in Wymyn's Studies.
That's Women's.
Oh and I have been hired, thank you very much. Pretty easy when you have a PhD/JD at the age of 28 and have 5 published papers in nano-engineering.
I was born in a dirt poor family in Bellefontaine Ohio, in the county with the highest poverty and murder rate. My father declared bankruptcy twice. My mom was sued for embezzlement. They divorced when I was 4. Still love em both.
My mom had a boyfriend who just drank in the basement and hit us as kids. Thought it was normal at the time.
One of my best friends died in the war. The other was raped at a party I was at in HS. I didnt have the money to send my SAT scores to more than 3 universities, money I had saved working 3 years in concession at a shitty theatre. Had to cry to my aunt so I could apply to 5.
I came to university with everything I owned, which was a bunch of oversized hand-me-downs. I was scared shitless when I took my first few classes. I literally thought I would flunk out immediately. My HS was so bad, we watched films in math class.
I worked hard. Didnt go to war. But I fucking worked hard. I had literally NO money. I could barely save enough for textbooks each quarter working at the library.
The university wouldnt pay me a full-scholarship cause my dad made 65k a year working at a Honda factory. Didnt matter that he gave me literally nothing except an old laptop. My mom spent all her money on rip-tickets and smokes at the local bar.
But im sure you know every millenials story. Just keep griping about how we are all lazy and ignorant, and say 'uhhh' a lot, or w/e the fuck your retarded argument is.
Good for you!
Not a generational-thing, although there are many older-folks who choose to live in the world that they once knew as though that is how the world is today.
Before Reagan declared war on unions, non-union shops had to compete with union-shops and paid fairly well. With Clinton's NAFTA, USSA workers were forced to compete with those of the third-world. American politicians have completely failed to protect US jobs and US workers, for two-generations now.
One of the only ways a young person will find career opportunity today is if their parents have the connections, and the involvement and interest, to make that possible, but there are many who let their kids get raised by public schools and put little effort into growing their family: "You're 18-- I've done my part, get the fuck out!" A lot of young people are fucked by willfully-ignorant and irresponsible "parents".
"When a Child is Born, Interest Passes from One Generation to The Next"--Sicilian Proverb
All you can do is recognize the times and be the best parent that you can be, and don't fault others for not sharing your luck or fortune.
"One of the only ways a young person will find career opportunity today is if their parents have the connections"
This is another feature of a fragmented society. It is unjust. Those w/connections (not all, mind you) are the ones who 'designed' and maintain the system.
Be a 'complete' individual and you will not need 'connections'. It is the lazy man's way, anyhow...
I agree with 2/3s of your statement: even as a "complete" individual, you might find yourself on very unfamiliar and closed territory even within USA culture. Believe me, there are towns and counties here where if you don't know the "right" people or go to the "right" church, you may find yourself almost completely shut-out of civic-life and economic opportunities.
Why would you find yourself or allow yourself to be in such a circumstance? Sometimes life can throw some unexpected and totally unforseeable curves at you, but it helps to keep us on our toes-- for damn sure.
Outstanding.
But, do you vote or not?
My dad didn't give me anything either. He was a Greatest Generation member. Selfishness didn't get invented in 1945. It goes back as far as life itself goes back. Some people are more selfish. Some are less. One can try every day to do something generous. After all, we are all just "dust in the wind".
Well, I voted for you: glad to know I'm not just pissing into the wind.
I was attempting to caution against 'sweeping generalizations" and maybe trying to point out what you are saying-- selfishness is a trait that some have carried throughout time.
You can't fault a kid for the failings of their parents, and we can't judge the kids for other than what they put into this world-- same as it always was.
Collectively, all proceeding generations are responsible for the shit-hole nightmare this country and this world have become, but individually, one can make a difference for good in at least a life or two and try to lead a life of little harm.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/jp-morgan-chase-expected-to-lay-off-mor...
More evidence of the "Jobless Recovery."
Inhibi, you may very well be the exception and you're a good potential employee but we've had nightmarish problems hiring people in your generation. Missing work, poor training skills, constant requests/demands for benefits that are (deservedly) reserved for longer term workers, etc. We've even turned a blind eye toward the normal negatives of hiring people with lousy credit and a lot of job hopping in their past in the belief that these black marks are not always the fault of the job seeker. But damn! These kids have a sorry attitude toward working hard and earning what it took a lot of us 20-30 years to accomplish. I know you're pissed but don't forget you have to earn your way.........even if people like Obama tell you otherwise.
I get that. I get how our generation is entitled, but you have to realize its not entirely their fault.
If you could get anything you want at the click of a button when you were in your 20's you would probably have a different outlook on life.
My point here is that each generation has its faults, and no generation is worse than another. 80% of the people here think we are some plague upon America.
We are merely a projection of YOUR teachings. And what poor teachings they have been.
After all, everyone has to have a mother and a father. So every generation is the progeny of another. So you cant just blame one generation.
Sorry about the hiring though.
That is a commendable reply to my comment. And I couldn't agree more with you that the Boomers have messed things up with electing crappy politicians over the years. I'm kind of a narrow minded SOB when it comes to drugs but I personally think a lot of the dopers and free-love crowd in the 1960's and 1970's have raised kids and now also have grandkids who didn't get taught the lessons their parents tried to teach them. The results of that have now been passed on to your generation. It's been a slow meltdown of family values, work ethics and national pride over the past 50 years. It didn't all just start with your generation.
Previous generations did not have to compete for jobs against an unlimited immigration policy.
Previous generations did not have to compete for jobs with robots and computer technology.
Previous generations did not have to compete with anywhere near the size and scope of government, City, County, State and Federal that has exploded in size in just the past 40 years.
Previous generations did not have to compete with government and corporate mandated racial and gender biased quotas.
Previous generations turned their noses up at government jobs because there was a semblence of free market.--now government jobs and government subsidised jobs are the "good" jobs.
...and you are blaming millenials for our present size of government? ...because a majority of them voted for the Kenyan?
Got news for ya chief, Government got big before millenials were born.
And someone finally hits the nail squarely on the head.
I think LSD and so forth helped create a musical, literary, spiritual, and human-rights explosion the likes of which the world had never before seen. I think John Lennon and Yoko Ono's "sleep in" ended the Vietnam War. But of course the government can't have THAT! That's why the government responded with the War On Drugs. Every freedom-loving individual (in the world) should read Timothy Leary's autobiography "Flashbacks". And it moves fast.
Leary and the hippie scene were COINTELPRO hacks and dupes. The really interesting people in the psychedelic scene were generally far-right (Ernst Junger coined the term psychonaught), or otherwise not palatable to your peace-love-equality cultural marxist bullshit that plagued the 60s. Don't pretend like you guys accomplished anything at all other than hastening the destruction of America.
I disagree.
The end of psychedelic illegalization and stigma needs to end - and people need to be properly educated on the use of psychedelics as medicine.
Timothy Leary did more, single-handedly, to set back psychadelics than anyone else. I hate the man. He took something that is ultimately valuable to humankind and turned it into a stupid catchphrase, "turn on, tune in and drop out". What a jackass. Hell psilocybin mushrooms can literally increase your intelligence and we have a entire culture from the 60's on that can only think of psychadelics as a "party drug". GTFO. jeez
Nah. It's been a slow meltdown of workers' pay, in real purchasing power. And that has resulted from a slow but steady melt-up in population density.
I have to admit to seeing first hand entitlement as well. We hired an intern that I managed at my last job. 18 year old kid - his talent scared me. I was managing him, but it wouldn't be long before he was better than me. Nothing he got by hard work, had opened photoshop for fun - decided to take a design internship. The kid talked about money constantly, not in an educated way - but in a "cult of celebrity lifestyle" way. He didn't know how to behave in the workplace, constantly complained when a task seemed boring or he didn't want to do it (and with complete disregard for who heard his complaints), and ultimately fell asleep in a meeting before quitting without notice for being reprimanded by my boss. They were going to offer him a full time job, and he knew that, but he didn't care because he really just wanted to focus on his band becoming famous.
"...ultimately fell asleep in a meeting..."
Good thing for him that he isn't in North Korea!
INHIBI, in my comment I WILL TRY TO BE MORE HELPFUL, I responded to another ZHer with thoughts that are not MY original thoughts, but that I have gathered "along the way" as thoughts that seemed helpful. What I cannot speak to, is debt. When I went to college, it was cheaper, and therefore I was able to work my way through college, and therefore I didn't graduate with a load of debt.
voting for a reverse Robin Hood!
LOL!
If you think Obama is THE problem, then you don't understand THE system.
Wow, so let's just erase the last 60 years of voting in increasing government spending on social benefits that benefit the ultra rich or the elderly. Let's ignore all the wars that a good chunk of the baby boomers supported cuz of "Murica FUCK YEAH". Let's forget all that shit that previous generations put in, mostly to benefit themselves in the short term. Nope, it's the ONE election that Millenials actually had to vote in that caused everything to go bad. Yep, it's those darn lazy kids.
Pleeeez tell us what you really think!!!
Ex-Fucking-Scuse Me?...
The 18-29 year olds we hire are generally so fucking entitled and lazy that we have to spend years re-training them to be at least somewhat useful. They lack creative skills, critical thinking, work ethics and generally are pissed when you wont let them spend hours each day with their faces buried in their fucking phones telling all their other worthless friends how their managers (that usually put in 10-15+ years working their way up the ladder to EARN their position) don't do anything of value.
It's fucks like you that make me pray for the upcoming land-war in Asia to thin the herd of you useless little members of ther Lucky-sperm club.
Oh you are spot on. These young people have no idea what work is. They think they should get their college education handed to them for free, instead of working a summer job to even try and pay for it. Why work when you can just borrow the money? When I was a kid washing dishes, it was all young people that ran the restaurant that I worked at. 16-30 year olds. Now that I am part owner, with youth unemployment the way it is, you would think I would have a stack of applications a mile deep of high school kids looking for a job. NOPE. They want the easy "drive a cart around the golf course selling beer, pop, and candy" job. Wash dishes or cook? HAHAHAHA. Kids are too good for that shit anymore.
What? You think that young people with no education (yet) or serious work experience could afford to pay for college with a summer job in 2015, without taking out a loan, and when those who actually GET degrees can't afford to pay back their loans WITH an education?
The Degrees they get are usually worthless in the real world. I don;t recall the gun held to their heads to sign that dotted line....
How about they step up for once on their own two-little footsies and admit they fucked up, took the wrong courses because they thought that a Liberal-Arts degree would put bread on the table.
Getting good-paying jobs are EASY if you are willing to WORK for it. I have been employed through EVERY recession over the past 2-decades because at the end of the day me providing an existence to myself was bigger than my ego saying whatever the job was "below me".
I'm not talking about that, I'm saying in 2015 a meaningful college degree cannot be paid for with the kind of income an 18 year old could hope to bring in - especially when job opportunities are few even for the older and educated and the cost of living is so high that minimum wage doesn't get you in a 1 bedroom apartment in any state. A loan and scholarships are absolutely required unless your well off parents pitch in or cover the cost. Especially when we're talking about a "summer job" for fuck's sake. That's just utter nonsense.
And really how can you have the attitude that 18 year olds should be expected to understand the world well enough to know what it means to get a student loan and use that to get a degree - your generation didn't teach them. You just said "if you don't get good grades you won't get into college, and if you don't get into college you are FUCKED!"
A "Meaningful College Degree"???!?!?!?
Ok, whoever told you you "Need" college brainwashed your ass.
As I said before....todays children's lack critical thinking and the fortitude to go-it alone. I worked concrete-construction, and if anyone here has done so, they will tell you it is a ball-busting, hard-to-do job. You bust ass for 12-14 hours a day in the hot sun and make a pretty good buck doing that.
So, right there, you can work for a few years and save your pennies and go to school.
Now, did I wake up at 18 and go "Gee, I want to go sweat my balls off for 10+ years, wreck my body doing hard-physical labor"?....After a few years I found another gig instaling office furniture during the dot-com boom. Since I had experience running a concrete-crew, I wound up as a team-leader of installers (IE MORE $$)
That led to me working hard for 4 years till the boss saw my efforts and promoted me to run an asset-management program because I could talk and deal with customers....that in turn lead to internet development and now I run a Web-team for a successful company.
All along the way I learned, worked hard, and made increasingly more money every year. I did a few months of community college but at that point I had a career and all college was was a waste of cash for a degree in shit I already knew.
If the average 18 year old hasn't figured out that they have to bust their ass to get ahead then no speech from mommy or daddy or even Uncle Bud will convince them.
TL/DR...quit whining like a fucking pansy, roll up your sleeves and "lower yourself" into that well-paying but less-sexy work position. Employers don't give a fuck about your degree....if they see you have been working during hard times, that shows effort and character and they will consider you more-so than the useless fucks who keep winging on about how its unfait their Lib-arts degree wont make them 6-figures a year.
"Ok, whoever told you you "Need" college brainwashed your ass."
And who brainwashed them/us into believing that? And how many of these low skill jobs you're referring to remain?
"TL/DR...quit whining like a fucking pansy, roll up your sleeves and "lower yourself" into that well-paying but less-sexy work position."
You don't know who you're talking to. I lowered myself into unpaid internships and other exploitative sitautions and now make a pretty deceny salary. I'm not your strawman.
You cant pay for a college degree nowadays working summers. Definitely not for a STEM degree from a top ten.
I worked in the library and it barely covered the cost of my textbooks.
Seriously have no idea what you are smoking, but being a millenial, id definitely want some. You know, for the depression caused by trying to undo all the things your genertion has wrought on the world (just think Hillary and youll get the point)
Brother Rat....further down you wrote this, did you not say you quit looking for a job and went to work for mommy and daddy..."because I'm lucky enough to have parents who own a business. They also paid for my college so no debt"
You are the exact, ball-less, useless kind of fuck we are describing here. IM SO sure mommy and daddy paid you an entry level wage right?
Oh you miserable little neckbearded fool.
A Graphic Arts Major...Because you drew Anime girls with big tits in High School you think you're an artist, you hooked up with a shitty "College" (Probably Full Sail no less) and then life kicked you in the balls...and you ran home to mommy and daddy.Who had to KEEP supporting your worthless ass till you were what...3/4 of your way through your 20's?
Kid, go fuck yourself to infinity.
And what has Mr. Budnacho done with his wonderful life???
"I worked concrete-construction, and if anyone here has done so, they will tell you it is a ball-busting, hard-to-do job. You bust ass for 12-14 hours a day in the hot sun and make a pretty good buck doing that."
You probably did not have to compete with Latinos that are willing to work experienced with tools for $10 an hour. I started out as a formwork laborer then a formwork carpenter back in the 80's. I startet at $10 an hour in 1984. Today there are an unlimited number of workers from Latin America willing to bust ass, buy tools, kiss all kinds of ass for $10 an hour.
...After a few years I found another gig instaling office furniture during the dot-com boom.
Millenials have not yet had the benefit of a dotcom bubble, you know with alot of construction and office buildings going up? They see alot of for lease signs though.
All along the way I learned, worked hard, and made increasingly more money every year. I did a few months of community college but at that point I had a career and all college was was a waste of cash for a degree in shit I already knew.
Nice that you think that in just one generation things all went to shit because of the children.
You are the most difficult thing that millenials have to contend with--the fucktard know-it-all boss that made it during the FED induced boom cycles.
You sir, are a product of malinvestment that has not yet been reconciled..
This rant, made me post my rant up above. Should have posted it here...
Ahh Deflator...I ran Latino Crews...Worked in Chicago installing at Cabrini Green...used to count the bullet-holes in my truck after a long day for fun. Ever work with Gang-Members?
And you will notice those same latinos today doing the one thing your precious Millennilals AREN'T doing....thats working. They don't bitch, they work 5x as hard as ANY Millennial I see. If my choice for a labor-job was Mexicans or Millennials....bring Juan and Paco up here please.
At the end of the day, its about getting the job done idiot.
I do appreciate the "Fucktard boss" comment...love it. Especially from some aging hipster with a 5$ vocabulary and an axe to grind.
As for being a "Know it all"...well, I've made millions of dollars for the people I work for, and because of that...I'm well taken care of. This will be the third job that I doubled their business in less than 3 years from a self-taught education....I've seen your precious little Millennials come and go...you might want to read some of the other comments on here from some of the other adults that are in support of my commentary...we can't all be wrong in our experiences.
And while you may see me as "A product of malinvestment" you might want to ask my current boss who is opening another warehouse to compensate for the $$ I'm bringing in if he feels the same way.
*Hint* The answer is no
And you will notice those same latinos today doing the one thing your precious MillennilalsAREN'T doing....thats working. They don't bitch,
Oh, they bitch--you just don't want to understand them. I hear them, they say, "no break, no lunche' no nothing..."
Personally, I believe in self-education. Particularly now with the nature of work and the availabiLity of free online education resources. I also don't disagree that there are some problems my generation has with discipline etc. does this really have to be this generation vs that generation? Can you accept that my generation faces real economic difficulties that contribute to youth unemployment and debt at least as much as lack of discipline in an amount of the generation?
I gave an honest account. I'm not pretending to be a noble Paragon of discipline and Protestant work ethic. I was a lost kid with a lot handed to me, I'm lucky and never claimed to have earned everything I have. And say what you want about "graphic arts", but I'm a pretty skilled web designer. I don't draw anything. I attempt to understand users of websites, who they are and what problems they have. I constantly am learning in able to keep up with trends, new technologies, new research and studies. I design sites and emails with this learning in order to provide users with simple and enjoyable experiences in a way that also helps the business meet its goals. I analyze performance and test data, and iterate based on the data. I create and argue for solutions to problems, which is a constant challenge due to the mindset of the executives it's my job to convince. I make good money doing this, and own my own home - which was a forecloses cat hoarder home I bought at a steal and rebuilt the entire inside of from the studs by hand with my father, who I had previously helped flip houses during my college years. When I worked for my parents, I made minimum wage. Everything I had ever done with my parents was at a less than desirable rate because my parents believed it was important that I learn to realistically earn my own way. And you can insult me all you want for choosing to accept a job with my parents instead of work at McDonald's when I couldn't find work in my field, but I wasn't there long before I got a business loan for my own business. A loan I've paid off in full. So fuck you very much you incredibly rude, angry person.
Dude, I do organic SEO and have been in the industry since the days of CompuServe. I have worked with hundreds of individuals in our industry and I have heard your story more times than I care to remember.
Let me help you in your future.
-Web Design as we know it will be gone in about 7-10 years with the current programs and Algos planned for building sites. If you stay in this industry you will find it increasingly harder to eat.
-And yes, I can say the same for SEO....
-You need to focus on a job in this industry that combines multiple angles of application for an owner. For instance, I have worked many different jobs and as a result I can tie the web and its capabilities to any aspect of a business. That increases my value.
-If you use wordpress....stop. Learn to code. My hand coded organic sites destroy WP and WISIWYG sites without even trying. Those type of sites and their construction are always behind the curve.
-Yes, I'm rude. Yes, I'm a dick. I also gave my raise to my co-workers this year to keep them happy. They are GenX'ers that now have families and I feel it is my job to make sure they are happy and making enough to afford the little extras. I don't have time to hold hands, my job is to win. Period. If you perform well...you will never find a better ally than me. You younger guys all want to be in charge, take the big check...the million dollar question is can you perform?...and if you can't, are you man enough to admit it and leave?
-As for the attitude...that comes with the pressure of having to make sure that your sites are on the top... My work puts food on the tables of over 40 people. Carry that pressure for a while and then get back to me about what Millennials "deserve"
-You need to understand ALL of us have been fucked over. ALL of us had to eat shit at some point. Your generation seems to have it in mind that all of us old-fucks got together one day and just decided..."Meh....fuck em".
-Now all those College loans will be defaulted on and guess who gets to eat it...your generation?...? 0% interest is destroying grandmas savings...
-Want to hear a real complaint?....Take 35 years of Social Security payments from your check and then realize you won't see it.
At the end of the day my job is what Conan says..."Crush my enemies, drive them before me...and hear the lamentations of the women". Taking myself from minimum wage to 6-figures with no college wasn't easy. You play the hand you are dealt. You got a pretty good hand with parents that are still together, have a family business and put you through school at no cost to you. Many of us didn't get that. But rather than whine we realized life can be a cocksucker and it WILL kick you in the balls.
We have real problems not only here but in the world, and we need genuinely smart and talented people to figure this shit out. Maybe you guys do it....maybe you don't.
But you also will want to remember this....
When we were in Vietnam....there were protests every day for years. Hundreds of thousands of kids came out, sacrificed...and made the difference. You guys could do it too. You can organize faster with the net, carry your message around the world for all to see without the need for a newspaper or television to carry it, and arguably now the status-quo of govt is weaker than what it was in the 60's.
But for all these advantages....you do nothing but whine and bitch. The old timers here remember the past and what they did to get shit-going. And while this was going on over 70,000 of them were dying in Vietnam while they were being put into the service against their will.
The millennial's are nothing more than a bladder-full of hot air. More interested in themselves than their country and their fellow man. And until we see you guys in the streets for a decade protesting...there's not a damm thing you will say that will change our opinion.
I can easily imagine pretty much everything about web design being automated. UX with big data won't really require humans, algorythm's can replace coders, etc. I don't know about the visual aspect specifically but I'm sure something will come along. I agree, I need to have a backup career plan. I also can imagine the web itself as we know it being phased out (so far as web pages on flat monitors) and replaced with VR spaces of some sort in the next 10 or so years. Who can say how much automation from the current form of web design would translate. Probably a large amount of it, I don't know.
I really never intended to whine, per se - I just wanted to share my honest story, the good and the bad. I was a bit lazy, I had a rough start but a lot of help, and now I'm on my feet. I feel lucky, I don't really want for anything or feel unfairly paid. I don't see a lot of people around me doing as well. Many of them obviously don't deserve to do well either - they are aimless and lazy. It's true. Some work harder than me, are better than me, have been doing it longer - but they're strapped with systemic financial burdens through no fault of their own and are living paycheck to paycheck. I know we've all been fucked, 99% of us have been fucked. And 99% of us fight amongst ourselves about which poor person is to blame while the robber barons hold their money bags and pay TV personalities to keep provoking the tribes of poor people to fight with each other instead of paying attention to them. You want to see us organize and act - I want to see that too. First, we need reliable objective information to act upon. Instead we're all confused and fighting with each other while the government and oligarchs fund misinformation and tribalist animosity.
You see the result of what happens when you poke one old, fat-bear on a silly-ass website. Fear today is whats on the plate. You younger guys have only been around for a few years....try being a Grandmother and watching your savings getting destroyed because the Fed can't figure shit the fuck out.
I went to the range the other day and almost every guy in there was 45+. And they are serious. Never seen anything like it.
Want our respect?...want us on "your side"?
Organize Brother Rat.
Organize.
Thank you BrotherRat....Im just a few years over 60 and did my Vietnam stint stoned the whole time, came back to the world, worked grunt jobs, got GI college and 2 degrees (what a waste)..... saw what the hell was going on finally (back then), so started my own biz and ready to pull the pin. Would definately NOT want to be a millennial!! They are somewhat fucked
Whining indeed. When did this become the norm? It used to be people would be ashamed to admit they are losers. Now they're entitled and do nothing but complain about EVERYTHING in their pathetic lives without taking ANY responsibility for their humble lot in life. It is always someone else's fault.
Successful people want nothing to do with finger pointing whiners. You will spend your worthless lives surrounded by other losers and die broke and miserable.
You mean all those $600 per credit hour courses I took in diversity training, sexual ethics, and cultural senstivity won't be useful in the workplace????
You mean all those 55k a year courses in advanced chemical interactions, tribology (its not what YOU think), quantum physics, engineering analysis, nuclear chem, slavic lit, etc etc?
I barely had time to sleep in university.
My dad is from your generation. He took one look at my courseload and said I was the unlucky one. He could take 5 years taking only 2/3 of the courses I took because then it was $3k a semester at Berkeley.
Seriously, I dont know who your talking about, but trust me, you wouldnt have lasted a single quarter (yeah my school had quarters...you know 3 semesters in a year) on your HS education, competing against asians and indians who do nothing but study all day.
You have absolutely no idea how tough school is nowadays. Yeah some people just give up. You must be talking about those millenials. You gonna tell me no one in your generation was a slacker? GTFO and go back to your shitty managerial job where you read articles written by, wait for it, YOUR GENERATION and base your entire way of thinking on them.
You know, you are suppose to study 2-3 hours a week per credit (in addition to lectures and labs). That's up to 45 hours a week for a minimum 15 credit semester. That's 60 hours of total 'work' a week. Those "asians and indians" are just doing what they are suppose to.
Wait! You have mastered all that advanced science and you CAN'T GET A JOB? Seriously?
Extremely common, unfortunately. High tier grads haven't been in significant demand for quite a while. Most of the jobs created over the past 15 years have been in areas like finance, real estate, public administration, etc. Its not uncommon for most STEM jobs to receive a plurality of resumes from domestic qualified applicants, only to throw them all out and hire a guest worker on H-1B.
Read my above posts. Have a job, am a PhD/Jd. The JD part helped me quite a bit more.
Im 22 and I have advanced aerospace composite fabrication on my resume. Even with my ability to hit the factory floor running, there is fuck all for jobs out there.
:-) Not unless you get a PhD, and get hired by a government agency to be a "supervisor" or "manager" or "educator", and then do EXACTLY what THEY tell you.
The Radiologist I worked with for 8 years had a kid with a PHD in Archeology. He couldn't find a teaching slot at even the smallest colleges. Dad told him, "When you live in a socialist/communist Country work for the Government". Kid got a job with DOD, something with GPS stuff in DC at GS 12 /100k a year. It's him and one other WASP, the rest Indians.
The parents were right there in most cases. They just think there kids are wonderful and should do what they want to do. Years ago - it was kids wanting to be MTV video directors and now it is video game designers.
The rest are liberal grievance BS fake degress. Pop culture crap with zero critical thinking. Or internet social media crators (bloggers) or some other fake shit.
College is a 4 year day care and party.
A year or two ago I had to go back to State U. This is was not for alumni BS. I would guess that 50% of the kids there should not be at any college. Many of them can barely read.
The old school was spartan before but now the buildings are shiny and new like Class A office space including nice furnishings. What a joke.
Well you must have gone to a shitty school.
Go to a real school. Maybe youll spot a white person somewhere. Prob not. Most are hunkering down, wishing they had been born in a country where your generation didnt fuck education up so much that now they have to study all day to catch up to the asians and indians.
Most are hunkering down, wishing they had been born to INTELLIGENT parents so that they were on par with high IQ asians and indians.
Stupid people have stupid children.
It was a pretty good state school but they decided diversity was the mantra. They also had the usual unionzed professors taking control of everything to ensure they had tenure, bigger salaries, nicer buildings and offices. Who pays for it besides taxpayers? The students with student loans, in most cases, middle class white kids.
This school made free tuition for African Americans their highest priority which is blatant racism.
That is what happens when the feds pump money into student loans to make college "affordable." Campuses are built like resports. Dorms are nicer apartments than the kids parents started out in. Proffessors - generally the most useless cunts in the world -get paid huge amounts of money. And this stupid little bastards that did what they were told graduate with the equivalent of a mortgage in student load debt.
Do please keep us updated on how you are doing in the future.
The problem now is that college is a 4 year "experience" that includes a study abroad semester and the then the expected post graduation 6 months wondering around Europe. When I went to college, it took me five and a half years because I had to work to pay the bills, even with my parents support.
When my dad went to college, a four year degree was only for the rich kids who did not have to work. Those were the ones taking the "enlightenment" type of course. The others took just enough to teach then to pass the CPA exam, the BAR (lawyers did not not have undergraduate and law degrees), entrance exams to medical school, etc. My father does not have either a high school diploma or a college degree, but has a medical degree. Degrees were not required "back in the day." The four year degree is a racket. They make students take many courses that are not useful or relevant or of interest to them. Colleges do this for the MONEY, not for the student. Take high school AP courses. Many colleges are now not giving credit for them anymore. More colleges are also not taking transfer credits, especially from ity colleges eventhough it may have the exact same acreditation as the bigger school. They are doing this because more students are trying to save money by taking core requirements (english lit, etc,) and community colleges and save money. Can't have that, now, can we?
I agree, Robin. But no one here has even mentioned one of the big changes. The high schools have failed the students. It used to be that people could read and write well, do math, knew history, could think and study on their own to pick up special skills... High school diplomas were not given just for attendence. Universities had entrance exams. They did not have to offer remedial courses. So then we decided that was not fair, not PC. We needed equal opportunities which led to equal outcomes.
No. You don't HAVE TO borrow money. You work a semester and save money, and then you go to school for a semester. And then you work for another semester and save money again. And then you go to school for another semester. That's called capitalism.
I worked Construction, poured concrete, built swimming pools and driveways....moved into installing office furniture, then to the internet. Now Im a manager.
It took 25 YEARS to get here. No little college-fuck can EVER tell me I didn't earn it. This is why it just pisses me off to no end.
Fuck, I poured concrete and did a deck this past weekend.
Seems the fun never stops.
Granted, it wasn't paid work, but it wasn't even at my house!
pods
I hope they at leasst tossed in some cold beer and a barbeque at the end of the day.
Every generation someone like Inhibi comes along to tell us how rough they've had it...
They can kiss my hat.
Worked the last 2 years of high school (cleaning toilets, sweeping floors),
Worked full-time throughout college (had to take night classes),
Paid for it all myself; no gifts, no student loans,
skipped more than a few meals,
couldn't afford a nice car, shared an apartment,
Couldn't afford cable TV or concerts.
10 years after college, finally saved enough to buy my first house: 13.25% fixed 30-year FHA mortgage.
Got married.
Paid for Mrs Shark's Medical School,
Took only a single SSL the last year of her medical school,
Paid it off during second year of her residency (while she was making approximately minimum wage if you figured the hours she was puting in on 36-hour call shifts.
Worked full-time through law school (again, went to night classes),
Paid for it all myself; no loans, no gifts.
Before law school, while I worked engineering; I used to do job interviews of Gen-X-ers who had the most incredible sense of entitlement. They thought that a 2-year Associates Degree meant they should be vice-president of the company within 3 years time. Many of them had led sheltered lives and assumed everything came easy. They discover the hard way that success is a very long process, not an end result...
You want perspective?
Talk to a survivor of the Great Depression. Mrs Shark's grandfather lived right through the middle of it. He never gave up; worked his a** off. He eventually got a job at Bell Labs, developing the transistor. He always considered himself an incredibly fortunate person, even though he lived the first 30 years of his life in the most horrible conditions.
Today, there may be fewer well paying entry-level jobs than during the boom years of the 80's and 90's, but people today have no clue how good they have it...
+1
I watch the videos of the Eastern Ukrainians/NovoRussians who are fighting against the NWO/Kiev junta scum.
These people are poor, have a horrible situation, yet they can joke and are productive plus they are smart.
Good luck ever fighting a ground war against them. They are smart, tough, do not text endlessly and can write software that will make and has made their weapons systems very good. Not that F-35 shit developed near Baltimore Maryland in trayvonville.
America is pretty much a lost cause.
The little college fuck didn't say whether or not you earned it. You missed the point.
The question was, do you contribute any value now that you are there? Maybe you personally do. Nothing personal. But have you ever heard of the Peter principle? Dilbert's boss? Management as early retirement? Long ago I was in management consulting, and mostly what we did was work for useless overpaid upper-middle managers. Our clients were too busy kissing ass and networking for their next promotion to have any idea what was going on in their departments, so that part was outsourced to us, the consultants.
Cracks me up all these 'managers' complaining that they can't manage the kiddos.
That's on you, pal. That's your job. If you can't turn shit into gold, then you aren't an effective manager.
LoL'z....I manage them right out the fucking door till I find one that can find his ass with both hands.
Manage means "Run the company" Not "Fix the fuckups of piss-poor parenting". You want to be treated like an adult...better step the fuck up to the plate son or you are out on your ass.
Bodies are a dime a Dozen....another lil factiod lost on todays youths....
Bodies are a dime a Dozen....another lil factiod lost on todays youths....
Not a fact that is lost on current and coming up generations but does seem to be a lost fact from generations past that did not have to compete with bosses that could so easily marginalize employees as, "dime a dozen".
Well, when you actully have responsiblity for a company and have to make sure leads keep coming in or 40 people don't eat...you lose patience for the supposed brilliance of a kid standing in front of you telling you how important he is but doesn't want to work.
Heres a fun experiment. Go into your job tomorrow and take away the cell-phones of the employees. Within 5 minutes you will see adults working and kids freaking the fuck out like the Meth just wore off.
We're all "Dime-a-Dozen-replaceable" you idiot...if you haven't figured that out yet oh do I weep for your future.
"Bodies are a dime a Dozen....another lil factiod lost on todays youths...."
That model has been working so well lately too. Real track record to it.
Any idiot can follow a basic strategic framework from a textbook and generally make logical business decisions. Thats not running a company. If you cannot develop talent you'll never be more than adequate as a manager.
Managing isn’t running a charity program.
it’s getting rid of the shit and making the gold shine. Not trying to turn shit into gold because that’s a lot of wqsted energy.
He’s not your daddy. He shouldn’t be happy to have you, you should be happy to be there.
Good luck with your life... you’re fired.
The more I read these Millenials excuses the more I'm convinced this is the payoff for all of them being told that they were special snowflakes and all winners in life. 30 Seconds into reality and they tuck-tail and run and go right back to whining to get their way.
Welcome to the real world kids......wear a fucking helmet....
Well, they ARE supposed to get a trophy for participating. But who are the dumb fucks that raised them that way?
I'm 25.
15) - Dishwasher/busser (sucked!)
16) - Prep cook/line cook
17) - Line cook
18) - Landscaping
-- Had kid with older woman I met at work. Oops. We've been together almost 8 years now. --
-- End of bullshit jobs, onto IT jobs --
18 to 19) - Installer for a wireless ISP (Climing towers and on customers roofs)
20) - Opened PC repair shop (No help whatsoever. Saved up, got a business license, rented a retail space, opened for business)
22) - Lease expired on building, rent jacked. Moved onto work for Managed Service Provider (IT work for small/medium businesses)
-- End of low fuck-o pay jobs --
22.5) - Hired at a bank for 63k/yr
24) - Hired at non-profit for 90k/yr
We're not all fuckin idiots.
What was the magic to get out of the shitty jobs? I studied my ass off, on my own time, to get certified in Cisco and Microsoft tech.
I'm 24, worked my ass off and doing decent
18-21 college finance major at a top school
22-23 finance job 52k/yr, promoted to 60k yr.
24- new job in healthcare 70k yr
Good for you too.
Do your coworkers that are twice your age resent you too?
*Kudos* and *Golfclap*
You never quit, never looked back in anger...and kept on truckin. Wish I had 10,000 more of you.
Thank you.
Believe me, it's tough watching people I went to high school with make stupid decisions and go nowhere. The one person I'm still friends with is more like me. He saves, owns a home with his wife and always has at least one job.
I wish there were 10,000 like me too, it may save my generation from itself. I had the benefit of having older parents who knew the value of a buck and passed that respect onto me.
eighteen years old in the half ton with my dad,
minus 25 going to my first shut down at the cement plant,
never once thought of complaining, the pain wouldn't have been worth it.
I was interviewing this kid for a sales job a few years back. He was a recent college graduate and during the interview, he literally pointed at the Education portion of his resume and asked, "When do I start?". I said, "Well, that depends..." I tossed him my pen and said "Sell me this pen." The kid couldn't even get a sentence out his mouth after that and just stared at me. I then said, "Now is when your real education begins. Good luck." Then I politely asked him to leave.
HE called ME an idiot as he left and I burst out laughing.
Fucking millennials.
I wonder whatever happened to that guy. He was a dooooooooooosh extraordinaire.
You're right - "uhhhhhh" and "ummmmm" are integral parts of their vocabularies. I've had twenty-somethings tell me that everyone should be rich and people shouldn't have to work unless they want to ('cause work is HARD) and woe to those who tell them Facebook at work is a no-no. They got all the answers, don't they? And the world owes them an easy living because of it.
UMMMMMMMM careful boomers, we aint gonna support you once youse old and decrepit, just know that. You might not even survive the tribulation... We get into paradise (on the other side of this calamitous upcoming event) by faith alone, not by works.
Not expecting it.
If I get anything from social security, I'll be pleasently surprised.
I'm securing my own retirement through disciplined saving and investing.
Mrs Shark & I put 1/4 of our gross earnings into saving each year.
I've been an attorney for 18 years, Mrs. Shark a doctor for 20 years.
I drive a 4 year old Kia.
Mrs. Shark drives a 12 year old Kia.
We don't have cable TV.
We don't waste money on things we could probably afford, but don't need.
We would rather have a secure future.
I don't expect anyone to give me anything.
I only ask to be allowed to keep that which I've earned...