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This Is What Happens When A Millennial Tries To Get A Job
In “Global Youth Unemployment Hits 35 Million As Recent Grads Lean On Parents,” we documented what we have called the “pitiable plight” of recent college graduates whose degrees now cost in excess of $35,000 and who are entering a job market bereft of real opportunities for gainful employment. The OECD estimates that in member countries, as many as 35 million people aged 16-29 are out of work. In a related story, Sallie Mae (from which the nation’s number-one issuer of student loan-backed ABS was spun last year) recently reported that better than two-thirds of parents expect to provide financial support to their children post-graduation. With this in mind, consider the following data on youth unemployment in the US.
From Generation Opportunity (a nonprofit):
- The effective (U-6) unemployment rate for 18-29 year olds, which adjusts for labor force participation by including those who have given up looking for work, is 13.8 percent (NSA). The (U-3) unemployment rate for 18-29 year olds is 7.9 percent (NSA).
- The declining labor force participation rate has created an additional 1.828 million young adults that are not counted as “unemployed” by the U.S. Department of Labor because they are not in the labor force, meaning that those young people have given up looking for work due to the lack of jobs.
- The effective (U-6) unemployment rate for 18-29 year old African-Americans is 19.6 percent (NSA); the (U-3) unemployment rate is 12.8 percent (NSA).
- The effective (U-6) unemployment rate for 18-29 year old Hispanics is 14.1 percent (NSA); the (U-3) unemployment rate is 9 percent (NSA).
- The effective (U-6) unemployment rate for 18-29 year old women is 11.7 percent (NSA); the (U-3) unemployment rate is 7.5 percent (NSA).
“College graduates will spend the upcoming month looking toward their futures – but as they celebrate, their ability to get a job remains top of mind. Young people have seen their economic situation improve in 2015. While we’re glad for that, April’s jobs report still shows a 13.8 percent youth unemployment rate, a discouragingly high number for those who are hoping to embark on their careers in the next few weeks,” the group’s Director of Policy Engagement at Generation Opportunity Luke Kenworthy says.
“If you look at the numbers starting in 2009, we’ve been in the longest sustained period of unemployment since the Bureau of Labor Statistics began collecting their data following World War II. This misconception that we don’t want jobs or that we’re lazy and entitled is nonsense,” a spokesman added, in a statement to Newsweek.
According to the OECD, one of the reasons recent graduates have so much trouble finding jobs is that their degrees aren’t preparing them for life in the workplace with 10% of new graduates displaying poor literacy skills and 14% exhibiting subpar numeracy skills.
But it’s not just the skills gap. College degrees (even graduate degrees) have become so commonplace (thanks in part to the proliferation of student loans) that they are no longer sufficient in and of themselves to guarantee their holders will find good jobs. One 25-year old who lives in the nation’s capital told Newsweek that even with her master’s degree, she has found waitressing is the better option in today’s job market:
Millennials face higher university tuitions and student loan debt than ever before, as well as stiffer competition when they enter the workforce. A 25-year-old who recently earned a master’s and is living with a friend in Washington, D.C., tells Newsweek she is waitressing while looking for a job better suited to her qualifications.“It’s hard,” she says. “They don’t want to pay you extra for your master’s. There are enough people with master’s degrees that they can require them.”
As a reminder...
Millennials have also discovered what we’ve been harping on for months: for most Americans, there simply is no wage growth.
Millennials are getting lower earnings compared with the nation’s median income, versus people of that age a decade ago. “We find that because of the difficulties facing millennials, they are delaying these important life decisions, like getting married, buying a home, starting a family,” Pasch says.
In a study by Carnevale’s center at Georgetown, the age at which young adults on average reach the median wage, across education levels, increased from 26 to 30 between 1980 and 2012. Those hardest hit were high school graduates and young men. Full-time employment for high school graduates declined 13 percentage points for the period, while the rate for university graduates declined by 8 points. As of 2012, young men earned only 58 percent of the mean wage, down from 85 percent in 1980.
Circling back to the issue of whether millennials are getting what they paid for (or, more appropriately, what they almost certainly didn't pay for and never will) from US colleges and universities, it's looking increasingly likely that the push to educate America's youth (spearheaded by easy access to borrowed money) may end up backfiring, as prospective students assess the difficulty recent graduates have had in finding jobs that are commensurate with their experience and ask themselves if four years of their lives and $35,000 in debt is really worth it. Here's Newsweek again:
Carnevale says graduates are feeling let down by their universities, even as the institutions jack up the cost of tuition. “I don’t know if you noticed,” he says, “but we have a debate raging in this country right now over whether universities are supposed to teach for enlightenment or to prepare students for the job market. You still see presidents at some very prestigious universities arguing for the former, not the latter.”
Of course that could be because graduates from "very prestigious universities" are often i) deeply connected thanks to family pedigree and ii) heavily recruited, making it easier for them to find jobs and thus rendering the distinction between teaching "enlightenment" and teaching hard skills less meaningful. Whatever the case, you can probably count "presidents at some very prestigious universities" unconcerned because as the following excerpt makes clear, they're doing just fine.
Via Bloomberg:
Ivy League presidential pay is looking more like the big leagues.
Columbia University paid President Lee Bollinger $4.6 million in 2013, a 36 percent increase from the year before, according to a tax filing released Tuesday. Yale University recently revealed it paid former President Richard Levin a bonus of $8.5 million when he retired in 2013 after 20 years.
Presidential pay at elite universities is increasingly resembling that of corporate America, with performance bonuses and exit packages. While colleges say the rewards reflect the complexity of running multi-billion-dollar organizations, professors, alumni and others have questioned whether it is appropriate for nonprofits.
Here to sum up what it's like to be a millennial with a newly-minted $35,000 degree hunting for a job in America is another recent graduate from the DC area who told Newsweek the following:
“You’re like, ‘I’ll do anything and apply for everything, but usually it’s an electronic filing and you’re spending all your time on it and never hear back. So far, I have applied for around 30 jobs, if not more, and have heard back on two of them. I didn’t get either job because I don’t have enough experience. These are entry-level jobs, but experienced people are taking them.”
Good luck millennials and remember, there's always the farm.
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Congratulations breaking your back to live in poverty in the "greatest country in the world". You must be very proud that you never stood up and asked for better.
He has everything he wants and needs and has his house in order.
Why the BS?
So what are you doing about it?
You think that it rained dognuts back in the day and goose layed golden eggs?
You will be so disapionted in life...
Good for you - both of you.
As to the last statement, all I can say is Good Luck.
Conversely....Careful kiddies...we have a potential land-war in Asia coming...and the Draft is but a few wrinkled hands away from being signed....
I dont think itll get that far. We'll overthrow the shaved-face crew-cut suit-and-tie-wearing baby boomer faggots first.
You youngsters will all surrender when we turn off Facebook. Then I'll say your beard looks gay with your skinny jeans and then we close all the Starbucks. You will die off from lack-of-attention in about 2 weeks time.
You have to be able to AFFORD the guns and Ammo you will need for that revolution, and I don't think "Hey mom and Dad, can I borrow your gun to overthrow you?" will cut it.
The cutoff age for the military draft will be 45.
Hope your a good shot. If not, you need to get out to the range and practice more. Odds are, many us are far better armed than you'll ever hope to be.
What do you mean US? are you one of the bankers/politicains/intel community guys?
Looks like Im a minority on this site. Good to know.
Well seeing as im a PhD/JD in engineering and water law, and have been through lots of academia and industry, I would say you dont have a CLUE about how different the life of an 18-29 is these days. Let me let you in on something:
1. you went to school in the 60's - 70's paying $3000 per semester getting BS (thats bullshit) degrees that taught you absolutely nothing (your generation FUCKED UP THE ENVIRONMENT, created completely erroneous financial models, i can go on and on)
2. didnt have to compete at an international level (have you seen college campuses nowadays?), were GARAUNTEED a job after college making 40K BACK THEN (like 80k nowadays)
3. Graduated without crushing debt
4. Were taught on the job because companies atcually didnt care about that additional hundred bucks (now learning ANYTHING that gives you a piece of paper is tens of thousands which companies will not pay for)
5. Created the monster that is Hitlery, Obama, Biden, Holder, etc. Those are all people from your time. Dont blame their incompetency on us, we were naive sure, but so were at our age to a much greater degree (no internet, couldnt look up facts at the blink of an eye, etc)
6. Could actually afford a house and a family
7. Could change your career path
8. Got amazing, sometimes ridiculous pensions
9. Paid less taxes
I could literally go on and on. Ill admit to some things though. We, the millenials are:
1. More depressed
2. Have trouble concentrating since our brains are wired to various screens/websites/etc.
3. More easily swayed (we look up to your generation, like Obama. So whose fault is that? I guess us both wouldnt you say?)
4. Less sociable (prob due to less social interaction due to video games/electronics)
5. Think we can solve any problem quickly
6. Are not usually trained in anything of value (some of us are though: we definitely had to work harder in HS and university)
So the generations come and go and each has its set of issues. But calling all Millenials lazy/etc. just shows your ignorance.
I started out in Vietnam watching my friends die and you think you have it tough?....
In a chickenshit war started by a criminal liar who whacked his boss and sold out the USS Liberty sailors with the help of Admiral McCain.
And this family of criminals - friends of LBJ and Obama were totally involved with their F-111.
http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/04/crown-crime-family-of-chicago.html
Iraq and Afghanistan were heaven by comparision. You had these same f***kers jamming a worthless rifle on the grunts with no cleaning kits. they took away real rifles that worked. Oh and it was not voluntary either,
LBJ didn't start that war. That is the president to whom you were referring, right? He inherited it from his predecessors.
Oh sorry, you went to a war started by, wait for it, YOUR GENERATION (or maybe the previous one to yours, dont know how old you were).
Once again, not my or any milennials fault.
Then again did the Iraq war not happen or am I missing something?
Hasnt been a single generation in America that hasnt experienced war so your logic is useless. My friends have died in war. I didnt go thank the Lord.
I guess im a pussy then for not going to war, eh? At least I dont have PTSD and HIVs.
My comments were directed to the misconception that our generation 'just parties in college'. Not that I think my university was harder than WAR.
Once again, putting words (or letters) in my mouth (or post). Must be another generational thing.
No, pal...here's words in your mouth:
"I'm fucked."
The guys that fought didn't start the war, just doing what was then considered your duty to country. By the way, my guess is you are a pussy.
Dear Piled Higher and Deeper and totally Just Deluded (you did claim Phd/JD, right?). Your lack of knowledge of the history of US involvement in SEA is sickening; you should not show your ignorance so eagerly. And like everything else, US getting into VietNam was the end result of numerous threads of history going back dozens, if not hundreds, of years.
That said, you apparently have worked quite diligently at preparing yourself for your career and future. Unfortunately, this has not applied to everyone of your generation and your statement that it is "not my or any millenial's fault" (perhaps you should have learned punctuation more and slavic lit less) is simply incorrect. I further suggest that saying there "hasn't been a single generation in America that hasn't experienced war" (pardon, but my prior comment regarding learning punctuation holds true here also) is, in at least one sense, wrong: there hasn't been a drafted military since a few years after I got my draft notice, so only those who chose to join up since that time really were "lucky" enough to "experience" war. Take my word for it, living while others are off fighting somewhere is a world away from actually being there. (As an aside, I've long felt that doing away with the draft was a major error. I think a military staffed by draftees would be far more likely to generate negative feedback when foreign adventures are considered. It was, after all, mommies and daddies that drove the politicians to reconsider the adventure in VietNam.)
My last criticism will be this: it is incorrect to place blame for the troubles of some other generation, because it is actually the result of disfunctional ideologies, not age groups, that has led to our fubar state of affairs. Generations are diverse. Not all boomers are self-centered jerks like the Clintons, or baby-killing vets like so many were erroneously characterized. I really think you have the ability to overcome whatever programming grabbed your mind and locked you into such a distorted view of history. Remember, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
I come from the same generation and luckily missed the V war. Back in the day, high school graduates would move to 1/3 rd of them going to college, 1/3rd going into trade schools to become bricklayer/carpenters, and 1/3rd would move to fireman/cop/military type careers. Now if your kid doesn't go to college they're a loser so you have a whole generation of college kids with useless degrees in an increasingly automated business economy. No way these kids will be anywhere 15 years from now, still living with their parents. Sad
1. A tually, today, pollution is way worse than back in the day.
What have you done to make it better?
Throw you plastic in the right bin?
2. Back in the day, INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION WHERE CREATED BY WORKING 20 HOURS A DAY!
3. Who made that debt?
People didn’t make it with phd’s. They had to fight their way up.
If you think you have it hard, they had it 20 times harder.
You all get your phd’s and expect the easy road from then on. And than it seemed it didn’t get you there... after all that debt...
It says more about you than "them"
4.they couldn’t afford a house!!!
Lending rates where 14%!!!! 14!!!!
But people saved their money. Now you guys spend it before you get your paycheck!
"they" only spend what they had and always saved for a rainy day.
7. Kid... they didn’t hand out jobs with a bowl of cereal. "they had to work hard. Manual labor and very very long hours.
8. Those pensions where a combination from their savings.
9. Actually, taxes where higher back than. Read up.
And you guys:
1. Yes more depressed. You don’t know how to fight for something. Always used to the easy street.
A serious kick in the nuts, that’s what you need. And back in the day that was what you got if you played sissy back’than.
2. It’s actuzlly lack of attention and interest. We learned to become the best at 1 thing, and after that, become the best at 2 things and so on...
discipline kid. You all lack it.
3. No, you always expected others to solve your problems. Again, a few kicks in the nuts would help.
4. Do something about it!!!!
Look, tomorrow, I’m having drinks with a buddy of mine, and we’ll be drunk. Yep. Good times.
Saturday, family and bbq in the afternoon with friends.
Sunday: family in the morning, jumping in the afternoon with friends and romantic dinner with the wife in the evening.
Do you know how many games I’ll play or how,much time I’ll waste on facebook? 0 as in zero.
5. A good kick in the nuts would solve that.
6. It’s not really working. You did what people told you to do, and just learned to repeat others. Life happens in the real world.
Ps: all you do is complain and complain.
What did you do to solve all problems?
What are you going to do?
Man, my lifhasn’t been easy. Now it is, yes. But kid, I fought a uphill battle all the way. And I loved it!
I always tried new things and I saw my body and mind as a machine to make money. And my will is my gasoline.
I always found it easy to do’thing nobody could. Why? Everybody stopped trying a long time ago. And when you step in, you win that battle in your slippers.
Don’t blame others. Blame yourself. For 5 seconds. And fix everything tomorrow. only blame yourself. And never ever expect to get a free lunch.
Unless you came out of a golden pussy you won’t get a free meal.
And ghinking that everybody had it so easy and only you didn’t...
kid kid kid... life wasn’t like what the disney movies tell you. It was hard. They never had what you guys have.
Znd oh by the way. Young kids in the 90’s where the best in ict. Do you know who are the best now? Those who are 30 and 40.
young kids are only interest in facebook, pinterest, twitter, whatsapp... but when you need to work in a math programm, for which we never could go to school for and had to teach ourselves. Even programming, I learned assembler, pascal, Vb, sql, basic... on my spare time with 1 book that costed 20 bucks.
And I started my first company when I was 18 in ict.
Don’t complain, just do it.
And that Obama bozo? Back in the day, a moron like that would never get elected. And now you’ll probably vote HilLary to.
you sound like ghat woman that said: OBAMA’S GONNA PAY MY BILLS!!!
what did you expect...
"Welcome to ZHU, step up for your kick to the balls and to be told you aren't special and will have to actually work to get ahead...that'll be $6,000 please!"
Goomph!
This website has a weird amount of users who are clearly just old Fox News conservatives, spouting tired rhetoric (Notice how they all point to the same straw man about the lazy entitled womyn's studies major as if that represents an entire generation)
It's weird considering most of the content posted here reflects a pretty different worldview.
No tard, what we are are people that have worked to get ahead and not let excuses hold us back.
What you don't see is that your shitty "Me Me Me" attitude is the very thing you are saying we are all guilty of...but we at least had the balls to build the country...you fucks just want to show up and be given everything simply because you have a piece of paper that says that your 4 years drinking Natty-Ice and dry-humping the fat chick with acne is somehow more relevant than the guy who worked 10+ years to get to the same position.
Yeah, the generation that preaches the value of the dollar over the life of fellow and future man and that built financial mechanisms to steal from those not yet born isn't selfish.
Also, I worked to get where I am as well - a combination of hard AND smart (you're clearly a moron so you can only claim the former) and now make a good wage and expect to see quite a bit more in my lifetime with my dedication, passion, and performance. I also never really partied (too introverted) and am not a fan of alcohol in general. Though, I support the legalization of all drugs.
I have 3 millenial children 2 out of university 1 still attending. I made sure they were working at mcjobs by grade 8 and hooked them up with high paid treplanting/chainsaw work in the summers while at college. They have each paid 1/2 of their schooling costs with the other half coming from me. It is too bad your parents were deadbeats-perhaps they were born before 1962? My experience with the peers of my 3 20-30yo childen is that they are lazy, dependant and addicted to antidepressants and video games. The fact that you are an overacheiver in a sea of incompetence will allow you to controll your environment. Mine are able to control theirs.
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So how long were you in school? Were you about 29 or 30 when you finished up?
Inhibi,
for all your supposed education and hard work,
you present yourself as one giant fucking whining, arrogant POS.
Fantastic writing!!! Give-em hell!!!!!
I agree. The 20-somethings seem to hate having to work hard. That makes it difficult for me to feel bad for them.
After working in offices where these so-called honor-roll students spent hours instant-messaging each other, I wanted to barf. They never got any real work done and were always resentful of anyone who was highly skilled.
I don't know if this is just my perception, but I feel that the millennials display sociopathic tendencies.
Same as it ever was.
"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"
~ Plato, 4th Century BC
He lived at time of decay.
Not relevant to all generations.
Decay? I don't think so . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Greece
I recall a similar sentiment attributed to Aristotle, although he may have been plagiarizing.
To answer Plato's question in a tangential manner: GREXIT.
HAHAHAHA Oh kid you’re wrong.
1. Read the article again and you’ll read this:
A. she has a masters and nobody wants to pay more.
THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN SO!! YOU START AT THE BOTTOM!
My first salary was a joke! I didn’t care. I didn’t know my salary untill they paid me on my first job, I didn’t care! I was just glad I found work and my parents where proud of me.
Now? Whdn young kids fresh out of college come over for a job, it takes 30 minutes before they say they want 3500 as a base salary, a bonus, a phone, a tablet, a car...
And when I say SURE!!! Now you only have to tell me why I should pay you that much and it’s yours.
Never do I get a "non movie speech bullshit peptalk without content".
B.Pay pay pay
Young kids only do what they’re paid for! I worked a lot of hours where nobody asked me to. I WORKED BECAUSE I liked it and wanted to learn.
Now??
When you ask a young kid to work 1 hour late, HE COMES IN LATE 1 HOUR BECAUSE FOR HIM IT’S ONLY FAIR!!!
Why would you give anybody like that ever a raise????
C. Mba or college degree.
Kids just stop learning once you hire them!!
And when you ask them to learn more they ask money for it!!!!
I did a extra bachelor at night during my first job because my boss asked me to. No... said so.
And I wqs glad to do it!!!
And what you say about 30 to 50 year olds??
Kids want to be bigshots managers From the start.
BUT!!
They expect everything to be ready when they start and all the info and tools need to be presented for them.
Being a manger means getting the info and tools. Kids just don’t understand and you are the example!
Speed. Well... kids work so damn slow... it takEs a decade to get them up to speed. And they only gain speed when they see what it means. You’re clearly not there.
Kids have a serious Problem. They don’t care and just keep on thinking they know everything. Now... for first, you k ow shot. Even with 20 mba’s, you know shot. Deal with it. That’s why a boss expects you to learn more.
And why do you need to start at the bottom?
Do you even know that??
BECAUSE BEFORE YOU BECOME A MANAGER, YOU NEED TO BE THE BEST AT EVERYTHING FIRST!
And if you think you’re manager is a moron, it’s because he doesn’t think you’re worth it for him to confince you. That’s you’re problem! Not his!
Shot drops down, not up!!
You clearly need to travel a long way. So don’t trash people you have no clue about what they’re doing.
And why do you think they’re lazy? Because you think they’re your parents who put your pants and favorite tshirt on your bed when you’re in the shower.
For a manager, you are a means. And if that mean takes more time to command than what it delivers, it means you may be damn lucky that you’re not yet fired.
And if you where planning on responding with some BS talk.... you’re fired. Voted off the island.
And most kids just can’t shut up when needed. And after 50 young brats, people’s patience is short so don’t blow it.
If it's objectively true that the millenials are so awful, who taught them to be this way? Did this generation create the conditions for this shift? Did they parent themselves?
EXACTLY.
Like everyones argument here "You (the millenials) voted in Obama"
GTFO. You CREATED Obama. He's from YOUR FUCKING GENERATION.
*And millenials/minorities barely vote. So lol.
I can't hear you over my large managerial paycheck. Now if you excuse me I have a 22-year old I have to go get off his phone so he can get back to what hes supposed to be doing. *Hint* "working"
And who created all those conceited, self-centered progressive boomers? The generation that survived the Depression and fought in WW II. Some of them were so happy to survive that ordeal that they wanted to shield their little darlings from the harsh realities of life and ended up creating people like the Clintons. It took true progressives/communists like Frank Davis Marshall and Barry's maternal grandparents to produce the abomination currently acting as president.
I've said it elsewhere: stop with the generational blame game and try to make a case against one ideological group or another.
So Society made me like I am?
I don't necessarilly believe in free will, so ultimately a combination of your genetics and extrensic circumstances made you the way you are to be perfectly honest.
No. Globalist ZioTV parented them.
Go figure.
+++ a Fucking Bazillion!!!
Kudo's SD....*golfclap*
Hey SD - don't you also speak more than one language? I thought you were in Europe.
Dutch, French, German, English, Spanish and all the heavy dialects that go with it.
Not just lazy and entitled, but stupid to boot:
Camille Perry, 26, bartends in Portland, Ore., one of two jobs she has as she tries to pursue a career as an actress and poet. The millennial generation is still lagging in the workplace,
the milennials voted for him, now they can live wth him. They will all be conservatives at the end of the day, if there is anything left of the USA
Millinieals and minorities barely vote, voting is practically meaningless. What are you talking about?
Also, At the Very Least the millenials wouldn't turn coat simply for social/moral reasons. The right represents selfishness and sociopathic Human rights stances. They would turn libertarian if anything.
The entire concept of conservative - conserving - is antithetical to the simple reality that culture/society will change, and resisting change will never be popular with younger generations who are often defined by their differences from the generations before and then after them.
"Everything is fucked and we won't do anything to change it. But you should listen to us because we're young"....
Diggin that hole deeper with every comment.....
Bitch bitch bitch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
..."Ooe'd `ave thought, 20 years ago doing backbreaking labor pouring concrete I'd be here today on ZH tearing today's youth a new asshole and drinking Chateau de Chassolay...?"
Fuck you millennial POS.
You so dumb - you deserve nothing but worsening enslavement for rest of your dumb naive existence.
Expect it. It's already in your head.
All the more reason we need to support our President and 'fast track' the TPP so we can get those jobs back.
/s
Can anyone tell how much is US actual GDP per Capita Income ?
No not that wikipedia figure of more than 50,000 $ . I doubt it .
Pissed at your college and have no job prospects? You probably spent the last 4 years partying, springs breaking, summer road tripping, christmas vacationing, and taking the easiest classes possible to obtain a less than desired degree.
People with skills, talent, and experience desired by the market do not go jobless.
To those downvoting me: Get off ZH and get back to the job search. Hope your last 4 years of partying was fun.
"' You dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a education you coulda got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library."
Classic
Another Brick In The Wall comes to mind
BS. Unless the public library has resources like a chemistry lab or you're studying Russian literature, you need more than a library card for a proper education.
Even 40 years ago when I matriculated and graduated, many had never been in the campus Library.
#quitcherbitchen
Build your own with tuition costs. Watch YouTube videos on how to use the equipment. Win-Win.
35 grand doesn't get you a semester in college now.
Leaving aside the education part...where I am right now with the kids I see working for peanuts these kids are damn good. I couldn't do what they're doing and neither can their boss.
No they did not go to school either.
Not a formal one at least.
Yeah dude you're so right everything is fine it's just that an entire generation of people are dumb and lazy in a way that is exceptional when compared to everyone else in the history of man. They aren't being crushed under the weight of systemic problems that make them debt prisoners with little to no prospects while money continues to be siphoned from the many to the very very few. No one is having their oppotunies out or insourced to those that will accept pennies on the dollar, and no jobs are being automated out of existence at record pace.
Republican! Democrat!
MSNBC! Fox!
Patriots! Colts!
Some of these things just don't matter. Some are the same either way. Maybe, we can get past this "It's this thing", "No it's that thing" all or nothing charade.
A lot of kids have been raised to be losers. A lot have not really been raised at all. Most have been through twelve years of indoctrination and propaganda. College costs more and offers far less value today, unless you want to study female studies, whatever the hell that is. Try learning economics in college. Hope you don't get professor Krugman. How about history and/or law? Certainly people like Obama will tell little Johnny the trufe.
Kids today are not inherently lazy and dumb. They were made that way. They are not to blame. If you are old enough to be talking about how these kids are to blame then you should be old enough to admit that you are partly responsible.
Thank you - genuinely thank you for this completely sane and reasonable post in a sea of shouting nonsense.
I see you've summed up the generational divide and conquer aspect of this thread. Like it or not people, we're all products of our environment. Much of which consists of our belief systems.
I jokingly tell people that I'm going to sue good ole State U. for for fraud for teaching the Cult of Keynesianism while passing it off as economics.
Right! Let's just kill all the millenials! Problem solved. lordylord = retard
Hearing a whole lot of "Get off my lawn!"
*Rubbing thumb and forefinger together*....
Thats me playing the worlds smallest violin for your generation. How about a little cheese with your WHINE?
Says the guy running around the internet posting about "them damn kids!"
A few weeks ago a student majoring in Petroleum Engineering could look forward to a six figure starting salary. Now? Not so much.
OMG, you guys partied way more back in the day. 60's and 70's? Seriously, I honestly dont understand wtf is going through your heads when you write that the current generations party more. You guys could skip school, boycott wars, smoke dope 24/7 etc. We do that and it goes on our permanent record, and no one will hire us.
Stop watching movies, created btw by directors your age, and look at a fucking college campus. Students are depressed as fuck.
The ones partying go to schools known to be party schools. I dont think they expect much after college.
People with skills, talent, and experience desired by the market do not go jobless.
Most of those people didn't go to college either.
A strong will to work, and an eagerness to start at the bottom, is why the guy without the degree, never gets fired...
Unfortunately not true. There are huge numbers of talented people out there who can't even get the "time of day" from employers as there's a glut of applications. Think that firms like Google, which receives over 1000 resumes for each position they advertise, actually is able to really find the best people from the mountain of resumes? Of course not. A lot of great talent slips through the cracks.
All the way back in the 90's during the Bill Clinton "blow job" scandal, the woman who went public was a work frined of Lowinskie, a MS Tripp " Lewinsky confided in a coworker named Linda Tripp about her relationship with Clinton. Tripp persuaded Lewinsky to save the gifts that Clinton had given her, and not to dry clean a semen-stained blue dress."
Ms Tripp worked with Lowinskie when Lowinskie was transfered to the Pentagon to get her away from Clinton. This Tripp bitch as a secretary, but with some title attached. She was earning north of 90,000 tax payer dollars a year as a nobody secretary at the Pentagon. Lowinskie when hired there was also put at a 90K salary for secretarial work. Remember, this was the 90's! 90,000 dollars was a fucking boatload of money! We taxpayers were paying both these bitches 90 + thousand a year with 100% health care, 4-5 weeks paid vacation, and civil service retirment plans. That my friends is how our defense dollars get spent. Anyone old enough to have had a job in the 90's out there? Were you paying secretaires over 90K? I fucking doubt it. But nothing is too good for our government employees. NOTHING!
I must admit it too :)
Now I wonder in what that 25 years old girl graduated, betting on women studies.
Well, it will be soon sex studies...
It can already be sexuality studies, where you get to decide where you locate yourself on (or off) the spectrum of Male to Female, and get grades and credits for it! Inquiring minds wonder how they get tuition for it . . .
Unfortunately, sex studies won't teach them how to give their clients the most pleasure. Instead, they'll learn a bunch of nonsense about how women used to be treated as dirty sex dolls and how to promote politically-correct views of sexuality in society.
"Dad, I'm going to skip college and becomes a grafitti artist, staying up all night to paint criptic cartoon messages on the walls of English towns....."
"Yeah right son... what a load of BS..... whose gonna pay the bills.....while you smoke pot and follow some pipedream..... you need to spend $50k on a gender studies, degree, and don't forget another $50k for the MBA..... if you're not a male feminist then go for something useful like Histroy or English Lit."
"Fuck you old baby boomer fart... you haven't got a clue.... I think I'll call myself Banksy... I'm going to be rich and famous.... celebrities will buy my artwork....."
yup, 1 out of ? succeed at that.
? = ~ 7 billion
I don't care who you are, this shit sucks. Little fucking critters need the most opportunities, or at least what most people have had. It is at least 25% below what was happening 20 years ago.
This group is more than a little miffed at the situation. I really don't remember this type of struggle and only get the vibe from my adult sons.
THings are a changin, but not so great.
This is true but if young people cannot find good work or a career path when they are young the odds are much against them ever finding them. We need new technology such as that tied up in secret projects of corporations and governments.
A. Free money. Survival guaranteed by government. Lots of free time for free loving. Blame others for your condition.
B. Hard work. Struggle to try to build career while lining the pockets of those above you and paying taxes to support A.
You choose.
these are my only choices? fuck...
In the last days of Rome people worshiped Chefs and food, it's well documented. Explains why all these resturant jobs were added.
"In the last days of Rome people worshiped Chefs and food"
Fuck yeah, notice how many cooking shows they got on tv now a days?
Rome will be burning again.
Say . . . isn't today the anniversary of President Obama's Open Government Initiative?
Except for the classified TPP.
Except for the classified CIA torture report.
Except for the classified real unemployment numbers.
....
is this the thread where everyone complains about how life isn't fair and that XYZ has it better/worse than ABC?
great, I'll grab the popcorn... let the candy ass pathetic mewlings commence...
This whole thread can be best summed up as follows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
"whatever", I continue to recommend staying in school as long as possible and run up as much debt as possible. Then become a victim of the system and live off food stamps and church handouts. No one will survive the coming collapse except the 1% and debt will never be repaid. You are foolish to try and outrun the $30 trillion of debt worldwide. Relax, smoke pot and have sex. Whatever....
Yeah, bait and switch. Sue Tyler.
Sounds like no one is trying. Cool.
The lesson is: Never try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVNuyfhF0Q
Where's the pic of the Hooters babes??? Pisses me off when I click on the article and the pic or cartoon isn't there!!!
Here you go.
Thanks!!! With plates of wings!! A Twofer!!!
And all fake
Which is why I'm more of a leg guy.
Thaaaaaanks Seek. he he heeee - and it only took ya 2 minutes. most efficient!!
What this conversation really needs is a competition to find the best Hooters girls pictures.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_64QM8mYklnU/TJcns_O_p8I/AAAAAAAAAFI/tGkX0oua9...
Hands down, the one in the orange bikini.
"So far, I have applied for around 30 jobs, if not more, and have heard back on two of them."
LMAO! Try 1,200+ hear back from 5 is more like it. Poor baby!
"So far, I have applied for around 30 jobs, if not more, and have heard back on two of them."
Don't worry honey... the US BAR Association will protect you and your country, your US Constitution, Your Banking System, and Your Future.
Lawyers are your Friends. The BAR Association is here for you.
They need to quit their bitching. Flipping burgers and serving food to patrons are just stepping stones to one day becoming Manager of French Fries and Maître'D.
Only 30 jobs?? Given how easy it is to apply online, she should be applying to 30 jobs EVERY DAY.
And I'm shocked she even heard back from two of them, that's a 7% response rate. In my experience, you're lucky to get half that.
for my first job I had to type 500 applications
I still have that mechanical portable typewriter. oh, and all those stamps costed a fortune, or so I felt, at least
I just waited for the contractors to pull in.
They took one look at a 16 year old kid on his bike with a lunch pail at 6 am in the summer and hired me on the spot.
People either want to work or they don't, all one neeeds to be is more hungry than the next guy.
Actually, online applications are often far more difficult to fill out (poor form design), and also, many of them also have these insanely long "personality profile" questionnaires which might be a couple hundred questions that are reworded over and over in order to try and see if you slip up.
Worse yet, the poor design leads to partially done, and then lost upon crash applications. Or even worserer, you have to fill out the entire form and profile for each and every job for the same company (McDonald's locations, for example).
My daughter is looking for a new job right now, and over the last three years she has shared the drama/idiocy of these job applications. Some of them are nearly impossible to complete in under two hours.
Makes me damn happy I'm approaching retirement age.
Its hard to know if those questionairres are intended to screen people in, or out. After all, I wouldn't hire anyone who wasted 2-3 hours on some stupid online questionairre. Maybe there's some "reading between the lines" that your daughter needs to do. Then again, many people who come up with such nonsense are a bunch of masochists who might think this is socially acceptable behaviour.
30 job applications is 15 hours of work MAX. So she spent two days applying for jobs? I agree that that's a bit low.
clinton video, please share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxaFGsdGxnc
Ron Howard is directing a movie called "Mena", with Tom Cruise starring as Barry Seal.
Should be interesting to see how they whitewash that story.
Release date is January 7, 2017-- just in time for Hillary Clinton's inauguration!
Work hard and you can make it?
Nope!
Gotta win the social lottery.
There's always cannon fodder for the MIC.
Sounds like the PNAC & Neocons have created enough stress with their Strategy of Tension in the USA.
Now that the Infrastructure for DHS & NSA Police State is complete...
And the Credit Bubble of 12 years has lost it's energy/velocity...
And Baltimore is turning on the Cops...
- Police Say Mobs Gather Around Officers When Responding to Calls...
- MD Sheriff: Cops 'have been eviscerated, disemboweled'...
Looks like we are all ready for Collapse, War, Martial Law, National Draft, Nationalization of Industries, and Slave Wages
College education: Cost approx. $120k.
Job options: $8 / hr burger flipper
Boob job: $5 grand.
Job options: $8 / hr hooters girl, plus tips.
looks like it's a better financial decistion to get some bigguns vs. 4 years at the state U.
Real natural 38DDDs: Priceless
I'll bet the breast reduction business is in the crapper these days.
Looking for a job...cuts into my IPhone time..got to take another selfie now....
I'll never forget reading about that young woman who borrowed half a million in student loans to study theology and women's studies. Because nothing says "Hire me!" like an over-educated feminist who thinks she knows more about the misogynist God than the average person.
...another progressiver liberaly man hating democrap candidate for a career gubmint administrative position to tell others how to live their lives and spend their money because they know better.
"Fat, Drunk and Stupid is no way to go through life son...."
I was fired from my last bartending job for embezzling 50 shots of Jack Daniels
Should of stuck with Jackie Daniels:
www.xvideos.com/profiles/jackie-daniels
what a suprise we borrowed against their future and their kids future and college is about worthless "get to work chairman" - right congressmen and women of all colors? clinton/bush 2016 or clinton's bush (has fangs)
GO INTO THE ACCOUNTING PROFESSION.
PUBLIC ACCOUNTING FIRMS ONLY HIRE CHILDREN.
Thank God I only owe $50K on my BA in Gender Studies!
The boomer ponzi in full view. Thanks guys.
Post secondary education has been a con-job for at least close to two decades. The problem is many baby boomer parents who grew up when it did matter salary/job wise or that getting a degree was some actual accomplishment brainwashed their children into thinking it was some special or requried thing and now they're fucked. Pretty obvious it isn't anything special given all the dumb shits that graduate from college these days.
I think there are only a select few degrees/fields where it is an accomplishment and worth it like some engineering fields. For most stuff it's just the cash grab these suckers fell for.
No way! It's all the young's fault. They should have been wise to the tricks culture was playing on them, and instead of gone to college become a wall street trader or banker. Something that profits off of the debt of citizens or by gambling on the success of other people's work. How stupid and lazy these young people are.
Working's such a drag, bro.
Text me later!
Work is hard!
That is why they call it work.
Learn to be a mother fucking hustler! Pimpin ain't easy nowhatimsayin? I gots ta work for that paper. Sheeeeeeeiiiit homie!
"You're like, I'll do anything and apply for everything,..."
ANYTHING you say? Follow me honey...
Good to see that the next generation is gonna carry the current one....NOT!
Why not send them to a separate country, and let them start fresh by themselves?
You'd be amazed how fast they'd get busy, when old assumptions and paradigms go out the window.
Between Darwin and their favorite Deity (as internalized Worldviews), the Wheat/Winners would get separated from the Chaff/Losers pretty quickly.
p.s. There is historic precedent for this. The English sent their Dissenters and Weirdos far away to the New World (hence all the religious denominations and sects in the US), and the Criminals even further: to Australia.
But we are morally obligated to support and care for our social victims/chaff/losers in our Utopia paradise. The new rules clearly state that all winners who actually work hard to become winners (unlike those who just luck into wealth) must be punished as an example of moral impurity, as it is wrong to deliberately try to make others feel like losers. We can't necessarily begrudge those who are just lucky (or good looking) for what they have as they obviously meant no harm, But those nasty working fuckers, always working, day and night, buying nice things, all in an effort to belittle those who simply want to enjoy the finer things in life without the stress of work, those fuckers should be set straight. This is a brave new progressive world where feelings reign supreme, unless you are attempting to advance yourself through work, in which case your feeling amount to shit.
You would have a point if 1/10th 1% weren't the winners while 99% are the losers.
Admittedly I do believe its only getting harder, but I don't see the solution as just surrendering or spending time finding someone to blame or vilify. There are still lots of people making it without a direct connection to the government tit.
Hey, You're alright. B)
Mostly America is populated with people who were fleeing from Catholic oppression, torture, and murder. Europe's next exodus will be people fleeing from Islam.
If it weren't for the hot ass I wouldn't let my friends talk me into going to Hooter's at all. Don't really care for chicken wings, or anything else they have. I think chicken wings are a scam to begin with. Take the shittiest part of the chicken and build an entire industry around it and sensationalize them with tittties. No thanks. Keep the dog food.
Two 1 sentence Hooter's stories.
The Hooter's in N'orleans was one of the early joints open after Katrina and a good place to go.
Hooter's near Princeton, NJ opened up early to accommodate us and the waitresses treated us like humans, not the construction slobs that we were, and were well treated in return.
I'm 27, graduated college with a BFA (graphic design) in 2010. Here's my experience:
My school was objectively a degree mill. They somewhat silently lost accedidation while I was going to school there. They promised jobs to their graduates with all of their deep industry connections. They pursued students agressively - with no real qualifiers for attendance and bonuses to recruiters based on the number of students they recruited. The VAST MAJORITY of students did no belong in the field they were studying, didn't understand it, made little to no progress throughout their education, and demanded the majority of the time instructors had to give.
When I graduated (as one of the more talented/exceptional of the students - with my work displayed in the school for students/visitors to see on many many occasions) I went to interviews and worked with the career-dude at the school for around a year without being hired. I had a lot of really optimistic prospects, a few "You DEFINITELY made it to round 2! You'll be hearing from us!" that I never heard back from. In searching for prospects, most job listings required many years of VERY specific experience. Not simply working in the field in the same type of work, but down to very specific tasks, industries, software, etc. They also were all looking for unicorns. It wasn't enough to do what I went to school for, I need to also be a coder, which is another entire 4 year degree. (There are a lot of resources for learning code relatively easily now, but all the same it's a field that constantly changes - requires a completely different type of thinking etc.)
So after that year... I gave up. I stopped looking for work in my field. I just worked for my parents, because I'm lucky enough to have parents who own a business. They also paid for my college so no debt, and I lived with them. The majority of people I knew had nothing close to this kind of fortune. I then created my own job - a small business printing shirts. I quickly adapted that into a small retail clothing store of my own prints etc. on higher quality garments than average shirts and with extra labor/details like hand dying. That was my soul source of income for at least a year or two. My best year I only sold around $20k worth of product but that's neither here nor there.
Eventually I gave the job market another shot, and ended up working at a free internship. After a couple of months, they liked me so much they decided to hire me full time!!!! At $8 an hour. A (24? year old) designer with a Bachelor's degree getting paid less than the starting wage at In-N-Out in a major metroplex. Fortunately, I was able to leverage that success into a better job... but I bounced around at a few dead end design gigs with exploitative wages for a few years. I got married and moved out of my parents house into my own home at 25. Spent 2 years at a job where I consistently went above and beyond expectations and redefined my position into much much more than what I was hired to do and saw negligible increase from my embarrassing starting pay. And now at 27 finally have an actually good start to my career. I work for a well known tech company. I have a lot of opportunities in front of me. But until I had this company's name on my resume, I was a piece of shit to the job market regardless of my work or education.
This is a success story when compares to anyone else I know, and certainly compared to what those younger than me are facing and will face.
And now I have to read articles where people speak optomistically about the flexible millenials who are changing the face of work with their crazy self employment and freelance gigs! Whoa isn't it awesome that everyone is freelancing and making their own rules? Yeah it's really cool how the job market has forced people into being underemployed, taking contract work at uncompetetive wages with no benefits or retirment and they can just have their contracts expire without the company having to worry about all the mess and liability that comes with hiring and firing actual humans.
I wish people would stop assuming our generation has a bad work ethic just because a small percentage of us are lazy. Every generation has it's slackers and it's not mutually exclusive with a perticular age group. Look at the hippies for gods sake, they came with the baby boomers. And the gen x-ers that were so hooked on every substance you could possible abuse. That doesn't mean you were all lazy either. Every single person my age that I know works 50-60 hours a week with a very serious and proffesional work ethic and the intention of working at that job to recieve a promotion at some point in the future. We don't buy in excess and manage our finances well but Bernake and the FED debased our currency. So much so (you can check for yourself, or I can just post the links) that the cost of living has increased 750% since 1965. So take all your expenses (if you were around then) and just add 7.5 times more. Perspective is important.
well regretfully too many of the boomer hippies and turds that protested the Viet Nam war, spit on returning GIs (family and friends among them) are now running the gubmint with their bullshit progressive liberal democrap policies that are taking the country down the shitter..... if you don't buy that then look closely at who ran/run the "cities" of Deathtroit and Baltimoreforwelfare feebies...... take that....
Yep, yep, it's just the democrats. JUST them, and this tribalism is both justified and productive.
Really, think about what's actually attractive to young people about liberal politics without assuming they just want free things. Democrats talk about wealth inequality, which is a very real problem, and mostly "radical" ideas like how humans other than just straight, white, old people deserve rights. Literally all a republican needs to do is say "Hey, I want to see the working class prosper instead of see them be victimized by manipulative billionaire crooks - and maybe we shouldn't be using Christian values that everyone doesn't share to oppress women and minority groups. Also, you can do drugs now and we'll stop predatory imprisonment practices and maybe we'll scale back on manufacturing wars and dumping way too much money into the military industrial complex. Oh yeah, and global warming is real." and then he would be popular.
It's too much to expect the average citizen to fully understand the complexities of economics and it's poisonous to hold an unsubstantiated belief that the vast majority of Americans just want free stuff and haven't thought any further than that into their political stance. Also, the lazy millenials you're so upset about Aren't Even Voting.
Brother Rat,
The Brother part is deliciously ironic given your last post don't you think?
The problem us mean old dick faced racist misogynist misanthropic conservatives have, apart from believing in an imaginary god, cleaving unto an ancient religion, worshipping guns almost as much as we worship God, oppressing poor women, beating illiterate brainwashed children and discriminating against the poor every fucking chance we get is this:
We believe in consequnces.
In almost all other ways, we are nearly identical if polar opposite:
We believe in God. You believe in climate change. Both have about the same amount of evidence going for them, although I think the evidence of God might win this one by a nose.
We both oppress heresy with violence. The Spanish Inquisition used to break the bodies of anyone caught spouting heresy. You guys break the spirits of anyone spouting heresy by either taking away research grants, dealing out opprobrium or severely limiting employment opportunities for anyone who dares disagree with you.
In the end, it amounts to the same thing. One is physical, the other psycological. The only thing that has changed is the times.
We both believe in oppressing women.
We oppress women by getting them young and teaching them God created man and women to work together as equals in a loving harmonious relationship where each is expected to love the other until death parts them. Having and nuturing children is a big plus.
You oppress women by getting them early and then relentlessly brainwashing them with a rank feminist doctrine of how men are rapists, pedophiles, abusers and worse. You do this first in elementary school, then is junior high, high school and ultimately college. You do it by rote. By endless repition. This then leads to the broader message of sex education, how promiscuity doesn't harm anyone and ultimately how abortion is a woman's choice, ss opposed to say the deliberate murder of an infant.
We are both gun nuts.
We belive in owning guns to protect us from authoritarian governments who might want to abuse us for our beliefs.
You believe in authoritarian governments owning guns so you may pass laws to abuse those who don't agree with your way of thinking and the authoritarian government can then shoot anyone who doesn't agree. It is the physical corollary to the excoriation you heap upon the heretics.
This list goes on but I will cut in short and just focus on the one difference we really have:
Consequences.
Conservatives believe we will all of us, good and bad, be judged individualy for our sins by Almighty God. Every action we take in this life is filtered through this lens and it modifies our behavior significantly to what it would be without this belief.
Liberals absolutely abhor the idea they will every be judged by anyone, let alone a higher power. Say God and they devolve into spasmodic fits and begin to foam at the mouth and rage.
You are so desperate to maintain the false belief that you can do whatever the fuck you want and there will never, ever be a price to be paid for doing it.
*That* my good Brother Rat is the only real difference between us.
Put that in your dope pipe and smoke it.
P.S. Here is a quick list of the consequences you guys can't see but are already experiencing:
1 - Voting for President Peace Prize. This whole thread is all about the consequences of electing leaders who don't know what the fuck they are doing. And all the nutters here claim elections don't matter. I wonder how well the economy would be doing now under Republican leadership, you know the kind Reagan and Thatcher used to provide?
2 - By running your thought inquisition in higher academia, you have polluted science with a bunch of weak kneed pussies who just spout groupthink instead of having honest debates about provable facts like science used to be good for. As a consequence, new innovation is slowing down considerably and half the science published today is pure bullshit.
3 - The very women you claim to be liberating are in fact much less likely to get married than they would be if they were brainwashed by the right which then leads to children being born out of wedlock, lower earnings per household, significantly less parental time for children etc. As everyone on this thread will attest, it is hard enough raising kids with two parents. To intentially disadvantage whole groups of women just so you can deny responsibility for your actions is galactically vile.
I am sure other posters can add the 100 or 200 ones I didn't add here.