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China Deploys Artillery On "Sand Castles" In South China Sea
When last we checked in on what has to this point been a war only of words (although that could change quickly) between the US and China over the latter’s island-building efforts in the South China Sea, Beijing had just issued its 2015 defense white paper which signaled a shift in focus from “offshore waters defense” to “open seas protection” and also indicated that the PLA Air Force would move towards “offensive” strategies.
This was essentially a thinly-veiled reference to the country’s intention to set up what will effectively be a no-fly zone over the islands it’s built atop reefs in the Spratly archipelago. Earlier this month, a US spy plane had a close encounter of the PLA kind when a PA-8 Poseidon carrying a CNN crew was told to “Go Now!” by the Chinese Navy when the surveillance aircraft came too close to Fiery Cross Reef.
Washington has responded with all manner of amusing rhetoric including the characterization of China’s islands as “sand castles”. The US is also set to conduct war games with regional allies in a show of maritime force.
Now, the US says it has detected artillery on one of the man-made islands. WSJ has more:
U.S. surveillance imagery shows China has positioned weaponry on one of the artificial islands it is developing in the South China Sea, American officials said, supporting their suspicions that Beijing has been building up reefs for military purposes.
The U.S. imagery detected two Chinese motorized artillery pieces on one of the artificial islands built by China about one month ago. While the artillery wouldn’t pose a threat to U.S. planes or ships, U.S. officials said it could reach neighboring islands and that its presence was at odds with China’s public statements that the reclaimed islands are mainly for civilian use…
American officials said that the equipment more recently has either been removed or purposely obscured from view by the Chinese. It was unclear how or why the equipment was no longer visible...
A Chinese Embassy spokesman in Washington wouldn’t comment specifically on the weaponry, but said its development work within the Spratly Islands—known by the Chinese as the Nansha Islands—was primarily civilian.
“It needs to be emphasized that the Nansha Islands is China’s territory, and China has every right to deploy on relevant islands and reefs necessary facilities for military defense,” said Zhu Haiquan, the spokesman for the Chinese embassy. “However, the facilities on relevant islands and reefs are primarily for civilian purposes.”
Of course, China isn’t the only country to have built “sand castles” in the region, but it is the only country to have done so that isn’t a US ally, which Beijing quite plausibly contends is the reason for Washington’s hostility:
Ms. Hua and other Chinese officials assert that Washington has a double standard, criticizing the U.S. for being “selectively mute” about construction activities carried out by other countries in the region.
She didn’t name those claimants, but Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and the Philippines have also engaged in reclamation and other work in areas they control.
“If it’s not a double standard, then there must be some hidden motives behind that,” Ms. Hua said at a daily media briefing.
Washington’s response: size matters.
U.S. officials said the reclamation efforts by those countries are on a far smaller scale than China.
In sum, China has created some 1,500 acres of new sovereign territory this year alone and has indicated it will defend that territory just as it would the mainland. That's a problem, says US Defense Secretary Ash Carter who told an audience in Hawaii that make "no mistake", the US intends to "fly, sail, and operate wherever international law allows, as [it] does all around the world."
Clearly, Beijing's position cannot coexist peacefully with Washington's position which is why we continue to believe a shooting sand castle showdown may be in the cards.
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The Greeks could just roll-up their Teepees and move to the Spratly Islands. ;-)
Looney
King Leonidas – THIS… IS… SPRATLY!!!
What the USSA would say or do if the Russians or Chinese tried to overfly Diego Garcia?
Hypocrisy, anyone?
Problem is that the USSA is used to destroying or threatening others, not creating by building new islands. This novel approach has them confused.
I have to give the Chinese credit for this move, they really outsmarted the USSA State Dept. Idiots.
+1. Agree. If you think about they did the same is economic markets too. The US argues China cannot play in IMF because they do not have enough 'debt instruments' to play with the 'big boys'. They flip the coin by telling IMF we are the ones that can actually contribute to the fund.
China is playing contrarian and frankly quite well.
They better not park them on the same side of the island!
#Tipover
"...make "no mistake", the US intends to "fly, sail, and operate wherever international law allows, as [it] does all around the world."
We're all about "freedom," ya know.
When we confronted Japan with 11" naval rifles versus their pot-belly cannons more than a century ago, they came around to understanding "freedom." Why can't China understand that we just want to bring them the benefits of JPM's advanced financial products? Easy, they hate freedom.
I seem to remember a lot of dredging, land reclamation and infill work in Hawaii a few dozen years ago. This was immediately followed by the mounting of artillery, creation of barracks, military airfields, and naval bases. Cannot quite remember clearly but do not believe this was undertaken by the Chinese govt.
Something similar took place in Guam, Wake, Okinawa, Dijibouti and several other locations around the globe.
Dastardly Chinese attempting to take over the world by disguising themselves as employees of Uncle Sugar. Nefarious!
The Chinese already own most of the prime RE in Kornifornia. I guess they want those tiny islands also, just for fun ... and to antagonize the Japanese and Merikans..
Chinee Building "Sand Castles" In South China Sea...
AND
USa Is Building "Mud Huts" In Iraq And Afghan...
China should offer to build new islands for the decedents whose ancestors were forcibly removed from Bikini Atoll and Diego Garcia. At least the Chinese have the decency to build their own islands instead of stealing them from others.
...And so castles made of sand, melts into the sea eventually...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMGYAkUtKQw
It's all about employment.
...instead of stealing them from others.
.....
So I'm reading about Diego Garcia and thought you'd like this:
The key component in obtaining Diego Garcia, was the lack of Native persons on the island. Prior to setting up a Military base, the United States Government was informed by the British Government-the "owners" of Diego Garcia- that Diego Garcia only had a population within the hundreds, this was in fact proven to be false; the Chagossians numbered within the two thousands. Regardless of population numbers, the Chagossians simply had to go. In 1968, the first sets of tactics were implemented to decrease the population of Diego Garcia. Those that left- either for vacation or medical purposes-were not allowed to return and those who stayed were restricted to food and medical supplies. This tactic was utilized in hopes that those that stayed would leave willingly[citation needed]. One of the more gruesome tactics utilized was that of the killings of Chagossian pets. Dogs were carried into sheds where they were gassed in front of their owners[citation needed].
From Wiki, so it's suspect ... but believable to me.
It would be more believable if they gave the Chagossians blankets infected with the plague
Those Chinese are just using the real estate as a means of getting their wealth out of the country. China doesn't allow more than 50,000 dollars worth of the peoples money to be taken abroad. The wealthy people of China know that the bubble there is about to pop so they are desperately trying to get themselves and their money out of the country. They can use the "real Estate" purchase excuse as a means of offshoring their cash.
You're giving the Chinese too much credit LL. Deputy Dawg could outsmart the U.S. state department.
I thought Deputy Dawg was Chinese
No Deputy Dawg was eaten by the Chinese....
THe US government and all it's positions, especially and since the 1907 crisis, when ole JP really got everyone's nuts in a vice, is nothing but a (actually literally) a Corporation pretending to be a givernment of a now irrelevant but once functioning constitutional republic.
Every leader since the first war of indi but cleary in the last 150 years has been be-holden ONLY to money masters.
People who wax lyrical on Kennedy really ought to read up on the man, he was a figurehead too, who won based on vote-rigging and mafia assistance through his fathers bootlegging empire days (where the Bronfmans made their money from the other side of the lakes).
And the same is true for probably all Centrally Banked nations. Especially the Commonwealth countries, boy will we be angry when we realize that all of our independences were fake.
Sooooo, yup, the US is playing out it's masonically/esoterically decided future and it looks more and more like you have a draft coming.
This one makes most american's angry, but Trafficant and before him Lindburgh (Pa and son), and a few others rose up and spoke and each paid a heavy heavy price...
https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/truth-about-america-truth-ab...
The US is merely perpetuating it's "Manifest Destiny" policy, but on a global scale.
King fiat lets them do that: Free Money out of thin air (that the rest of the planet is supporting), enabling bottomless financing of its MIC and Surveillance state, which blackmail world leaders to maintain US hegemony, FBO its Primary Beneficiaries*.
* Fed owners, Deep State, Oligarchs and Zi'Borgs.
Any water molecule, having once been in the Caribbean Sea and now present throughout the oceans and seas of the world, subjects those oceans and seas to the Monroe Doctrine.
Upcoming decision of the US Supreme Court.
listen here fella
der dago garcia island is for freedum and
rendering kids
so lonseome folks like david funishings elton jons and gorge clone e can have kids without incu bating
and parking malay planes from indonisia in china.
it not military it for wet works water sports water boarding
human re sauces
it just different ok
Completely agree with you LL, 'Whose the king of the (sand) castle ' and whose 'The dirty rascal' (old english nursery rhyme, just couldn't resist it).
It seems the 'expletive deleted, mob' in Washington are beside themselves and they cannot see the irony of it. They will fight to the last drop of your blood to maintain their opulent lifestyle, unless of course the people wake up and 'do something'.
Beware the ides of March and the pitchforks.
Disclaimer: I am not American although I do have an great Aunt of Dearborne whom had two children, Faith and Allen, whom I expect have progeny of their own.
Exactly, the USSA neocons are hypocritical pieces of arrogant exceptional shit. Sun Tzu would be proud, the Chinese have played the US for 30 plus years ssteadily urning the USD and the White House into a house of cards. Funny thing is, the true sand castle is the USD an American fantasy reality that's about to be washed away.
And so castles made of sand melts into the sea, eventually - JH
C'mon. You all have got to be smarter than that. Diego Garcia is a British Indian Ocean Territory that leases it's land to the US. As it is still a British territory it has it's own territorial boundries that are subject to international law. You can't overfly it any more than you can Spain or any other country. You know that. You also know that beyond a certain area around Diego Garcia are international waters, subject to those laws. Any nation can overfly those ares.
Knowing all this, you are clearly aware (yet refuse to acknowledge) that the Spratly islands are NOT Chinese territory. They are disputed by several nations including China, Brunei, Malaysia, Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam.
So China building military bases on those islands despite these disputes shows who the aggressor is. It is NOT Chinese territory and until any disputes are settled, they are in INTERNATIONAL waters. You know but choose to disregard the fact that China overflying Diego Garcia is not even close to the US flying over the Spratly islands. You are just being naive and just want to put the US down (in this instance since there are a ton of areas where they are deserving) and by extension Obama because that's what you are supposed to do here, or something. I know, facts are tough. It's easier to just blame Obama.
Diego Garcia are disuted lands as well...not British, athough angl-americans would obviously falsly claim they are British.
@RJ, applying your logic, the Malvinas Island (or Falkland as the British call it) should have maintained its status quo since Argentina has been laying down its claim over the island since long...
Without disputing any of that I have a simple question:
Why is it our problem?
The USA is being very foolish. Its stating publicly it will basically confront China. If it backs out of this its going to look really weak to the rest of the world. Increasing the free fall of the dollar as a reserve currency.
i feel sorry for all the sea creatures
Agreed. More loss of reefs and habitat.
If it backs out of this its going to look really weak to the rest of the world.
And if not, it will look like a pack of hypocritical vermin to the rest of the world
Hypocritical vermin, What we need is the exterminator, give Arnie a call.
When you are used to bullying everyone, it's hard to back down until your face meets someone else's fist.
The USSA's playground bully rep already took a major beating in Syria and with failed Russian sanctions, it needs to steal some lunch money in order to restore status quo.
Those images look like screen shots from that game Total Annihilation.
Used to play that! Lots of fun. Defense first and then offense. Win every time.
+1
Oblamo takes delight at getting sand kicked in our face.
time to bring out the sand wedge......
" every one has a plan
until they get punched in the face "
mike tyson ...
Which is exactly what needs to happen to the US.
".......GOING to look really weak..."
You're too funny!
Aircraft roulette, how many aircraft can overfly before one has a missle up its exhaust ? I had a friend how flew through anti aircraft fire in 1987 left a deep impression in his soul and pants. He was still nervous on missions we flew years later. Course I had another friend who had to evade a missle in the Gulf fired at him from a friendly ship. Accidents happen, they just don't make the news.
"Course I had another friend who had to evade a missle in the Gulf fired at him from a friendly ship. Accidents happen, they just don't make the news."
Was it an Israeli ship? If so, the surviving crew of the USS Liberty might disagree:
http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/The-USS-Liberty-incident/The-USS-Liberty...
I don't think so, I remember it as French or UK. Gulf was crowded with ships in 1990s everyone was trigger happy.
Well ZH sadly has some ex-US Navy semen who still love MIC and will tell you how wonderful Obola's Pacific Fleet is. A navy filled with fatties, gaybo's, Trayvons and other retards.
Military forces have not changed in hundreds of years, read your history. Same complaints by force commanders throughout history.
Same percentages of gays, fatties etc., gang bangers, drug addicts. What has changed is the publics perception and acceptance.
Zerohedge is filled with people that have never fought a war or lost a friend in combat but know all the specs on weapons. War is messy
with uncertain outcomes at the best of times.
Yawn.
You mean eveybody needs to have fought a war or lost a friend in combat before he/she is allowed to voice an opinion?
Lost a friend or relative in a bankster war for the benefit of banksters.
Just like how the banksters/elites have been doing recent genocides in Syria, Iraq and the Ukraine. Using mercenaries, proxy armies and the bad old ISIS that the US created and controls. Like the Viet Minh.
"You mean eveybody needs to have fought a war or lost a friend in combat before he/she is allowed to voice an opinion?"
Much like criticizing murder if you never committed it.
They fought for our freedom, except speech.
The confrontation won't happen over this little island....America will simply recognize Taiwan as an independant country.
Want to see China Spaz out?....that oughta do it...
There is a story floating around where a guy in living on a man made island in Britain. An old off shore platform for military and he has had it accepted as a separate nation.
Sealand, and it was hardly accepted as a separate nation...
Why do you support China in this? It's not their territory.
It's not a question of supporting them. What they made isnt going away, that time has passed. So instead of fighting them about an island thousands of miles away from their territory, it's far simpler for us to just to support the Island thats right off their coast.
It would be a fun game of one-upsmanship from the US in that China's entire long-range naval strategy would instanlty collapse to counter the threat right on their doorstep. It would also show China as being weak in terms of they can build an island thousands of miles away but can't project-power their own backyard.
If we did this, or even hinted at it...the reconsideration of their island strategy would have to do would be immediate. In a war Taiwan is already a smoking hole, whats a few more more craters added to it to get their focus off what they are doing in the Spratleys?
It's NOT the fucking US's either. So none of their business!
It could be the US's if they landed a shitload of troops on it. The US can easily project power to the Spratley Islands at will. Despite its relative proximity I doubt China can do the same. But that's just one-dimensional thinking, and the Chinese have other vectors available for retaliation.
I sense that another Robin Sparkles song is in the works.
Chillax, USA! It's not real artillery. Chinese workers need to play in the sand castles, using toy artillery.
"Mattel Cannons -- Made in China"
;-)
WTF(AGAIN) China is just trying to "outshoot" the North Koreans in their executions..........nothing to clean up?...........100 yards?...........artillery?
hahahahahaha, artillery, for real?
wi tu lo
artillery can shot for 2000km with nuclear warheads nowdays...
While the artillery wouldn’t pose a threat to U.S. planes or ships...
What about USA lapdogs - Japan and Philippines, or usa ships...
Is it even possible to hit a ship at 2000km? What is in-flight time for ballistic projectile at that range?
Hardly time to get your pants up when the klaxon goes,,,, incomiiiing !!
art can shots guided missiles
1243 miles in 2000 kilometers
Chinese DF 21D travels at Mach 10, 7612 mph
A little under 10 minutes.
Accuracy, I don't know. Chinese claim to be able to hit an aircraft carrier with it.
This was five years ago.
Should be interesting
You might want to lookup the definition of "artillery shell"...
Maybe it's for executions like the Norks do.
The slow and bulky F-35 can be brought down with artillery. Chinese are smart.
The F-35 is a boondoggle windfall for the MIC. In case you haven't noticed they've decided unmanned is the future.. in-craft pilots are vestigial. The aircraft we don't know about.. you know the type that can leave earths atmosphere.. thats where the real war will be fought.
Is it the F-35 or F-22 that has skin so sensitive that it cannot fly in the rain because it will catch on fire? I know Pierre Sprey said one or both of them will catch on fire if they are hit by something as small as a .22.
Both of them + B2. Same technology... Won't "catch fire", but it would seriously degrade (as in wash out) their much advertised "stealth" capabilities.
A fact that the Russian Defence Forces are fully aware of.
What aircraft can leave the atmosphere?
Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777's.
X37-B
The ones built at the Skunk Works. Think about it: the SR-71 is 1960's technology and stealth is 1980's technology.
I haven't heard of anything else made at Skunk Works since then and I bet they have come up with some pretty cool stuff in the last ~25 years.
YF-117 aka stealth fight was make by Lockheed. The reality is stealth is BS.
Pierre Sprey - stealth is a scam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDSiwqM2nw
Sprey worked with Colonel John Boyd and Col. Eugene Riccioni on the F-15, F-16 and A-10. Search for videos and info on Colonel Boyd was a really bright and talented man plus a fighter pilot.
ADA- Air Defense ARTILLERY
Most likely Mobile SAM's
American's with Disabilities Act...?
Certainly this - http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2015/04/18/china-taiwan-russia-s400-air-defense-adiz-east-china-sea-yellow-sea/25810495/
There are enough rumours circulating around that China will also be getting the S500 system, which would certainly "stoke the flames of US discord" somewhat! :-)
p-8a poseidon aka p-8a scapegoat
The US is very much engaged with ... words, money and high flying planes. But that's it, and the world knows it.
The US has become a petulant bully with a nuclear stick that has worn out it's welcome around the world...
US vs. China. Asshole meets asshole.
Agreed. Both are playing dirty now. US might have met its equal. We Canadians can only watch with strong interest. Please don't drag us into this. It's going to be ugly.
Australia is already getting ready for it. The media is beating the drums of war. Morons or malevolents? I favor a nice frothy mixture of both.
Involvement of malevolent media means this must be good for the tribe.
The abject stupidity of the Australian sheeple to vote the brainless reptile T. Abbott into office leaves one speechless.
The problem is most Aussies really ARE as thick as the proverbial brick; combine this with the "It's Different Here Mate" and our entrenched "I've got Rights, Mate" entitlement mindset, and the outcome is predictable.
I didn't realise how bad things are here, until I spent a few years working overseas (UK and Europe). For me it was a case of whilst I worked here, I was fully immersed in the "National Dogmatism", and believed the "We're the Best Mate" along with everyone else. Working overseas was a MAJOR eye-opener, and those lessons, once learned, are never forgotten.
Oh brother, two artillery pieces that "could"potentially hit another island. Fuck, push the red button, push it now, China might lob a grenade over to the next island. For fuck's sake, these people are retarded.
Word within US defense circles is that the "artillery" is actually Hongqi-9 (HQ-9) surface-to-air missiles.
They have anti-honkey missiles?
Hong Qi translates to red flag, FWIW.
They built the sandcastle so they can put whatever they want on it , If Amerca wants a sandcastle they should build there own , its like dealing with kids.
Foolish is an understatment they are basically painting themselves into a corner, almost on purpose which is very alarming. A war with China would be very very ugly but perhaps that what they need to hide the failed currencies on both sides..
China could strike fatal blow by preemptively blowing up its iPhone factory.
NEVAH happen 813...
The Spice must flow...wars, shmars...
The corporate lobbyists will meet the inside-the-beltway crowd and explain that in the event of a conflict with China:
1) The cost of everything in Walmart will more than double
2) China will likley expropriate several trillion in us dollar investment in China
3) The loss of JIT MfG and low wage production facilities will crater US equity valuations and likely plunge USSA into despression.
4) Noboby will vote for the dickheads pushing these dumbass policies
5) The Dept of homeland Security will need every single one of its 3 trillion inventory of hollowpoint rounds and then still be unable to control a populace who are no longer able to obtain an iPhone 7.
The Chinese could EMP us and refuse to build the thousands of big transformers that we'd need to replace. We sure can't build them anymore . . .
God - that would mean no iPhone 7. What would the iCrap sheep do?
It's not the iPhone 7 - it's the "shortage" of "much in demand" Apple Watches!
How are the "Look at ME, I'm Special" set going to be able to flaunt their "technical superiority"?? :-)
Awfully convenient that both parties are desperately in need of a distraction.
Makes the sandcastle reference even more apropos. I am sure I am not the only one to ever build a sandcastle as a kid and then tear it down.
A little shootout in the SCS with modest casualties and a few destroyed ships and planes would provide good cover for at least another year.
>>>A little shootout in the SCS with modest casualties and a few destroyed ships and planes would provide good cover for at least another year.
And a great opportunity to restore America's community spirit through Mandatory National Service.
America's disadvantaged urban youth are in particular need of training and organization.
What were Obozo's grades in affirmative bullying?
Time for Chinese to dump treasuries, buy phyzz then back even if it's partially Yuan with it, then observe XAUUSD and CNYUSD going parabolic, case closed.
1) Dumping Treasuries achieves nothing, other than making the Chinese look weak by blowing an impotent load for world to see (and laugh at)... there is collateral shortage and a printer in the Marriner Eccles building, so the new supply would be absorbed to minimize the price impact.
2) What China can do is shut down exports of physical goods to the US, which the US cannot counteract with a printing press or domestic substitution (see #1 above, prices refers to nominal bond prices, not currency prices).
3) In a nationalistic fervor, Chinese excess production capacity can be retooled to manufacture moar "artillery", whereas the US has no comparably significant excess capacity and would have to retool parts of the MIC to make up for lost Chinese goods.
Which would help hide/conceal our failing consumer/service economy and stimulate at least a few real manufacturing jobs here while adding to China's problems.
Intentional?
I think the US would face more problems than the Chinese. The gimmick with the US prohibiting the sale of Intel microprocessors to China doesn't bode well. If the dispute over the islands (among others) escalates to an overt trade war, the Chinese have lots options short of official embargo-- from restricting the supply of rare earth minerals to "selected" producers or selectively retooling factories. If the PLA needs a couple million radios and orders Foxconn to produce them, then AAPL's earnings go to zero and the chimps have no iCrap.
Morover, the Chinese are growing their Customer base beyond the US/EU and have a hole slew of massive shovel ready projects on deck. The US can't even build a single oil pipeline because of oligarchs with conflicting profit interests. The full blown Fourth Reich approach in the USSA isn't likely to go down well among them. So while I can see certain factions and ideological elements in the USSA establishment intentionally pushing things in that direction... I don't think an actual fascist police state is wise, practical or broadly supported amng them.
One problem to even figuring out what could happen is that there are simply too many pieces in play and too many fronts and vectors... when everything isn't constrained by the use of proxies. Syria, Yemen, Ukraine, North Korea... at least in vacuum each one is intellectually manageable. For US v China, US v Russia, or US v Russia & China, one needs and entire non-aligned bureaucracy just to process and analyze the publicly available data.
Perhaps they will dump treasuries slowly, like Chinese water torture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_water_torture
I've been saying for years of this forum that the Chinese no longer hold any UST's
anyway.Maybe some short dated bills, but otherwise nothing.
They will not dispute the TIC figure provided they can still get phyz gold.
The Govt. lies about everything,why not the TIC report ?
Double post deleted.
I would buy the franchise for the whorehouse on the island..is that a missle in your pocket or are you just glad to see mee...
"The Ants go marching two by two, hurrah, hurrah..."
Why use a spy plane when you supposedly have satellites?
Creating land is a great public works project.
"Why use a spy plane when you supposedly have satellites?"
To make a provocative point, very publicly? Satellites cannot generally be seen, spyplanes can be.
i dont get why they would waste man power building sand castles instead of aircraft carriers or battleships...
Because it is very difficut to claim you "accidentally" sank an Island.... Carriers, etc., not so much.
Buffers
UNCLOS
ICJ
The outcome of wars are decided by bankers and lawyers more often than by generals and admirals.
Guess which country has not signed UNCLOS ?
;)
One that doesn't have an actual claim in the neighborhood, only proxies who are signatories.
(Taiwan's claim will be moot when it is reunited with China, and in the interim the US doesn't even officially recognize Taiwan)
Secure advance supply lines, obviously.
China should build another island to put NWO banksters on.
some are already in an undersea prison off San Diego until they squeal
Then use it to test one of their nukes on.
Who gives a shit. We have military bases in over half the countries in the world. The US is the arrogant asshole of the world. The fall is going to be really hard.
Looks like a great place for a hurricane. Good luck with that. Next we will be hearing about China's ghost islands.
There will come a point when the 'Shi' energy will shift in China's favor, if it hasn't already. Our American neo-con overloards may do well to read some history of the Warring States Period including the 36 Strategems.
"What is at a peak is certain to decline. He who shows his hand will surely be defeated. He who can prevail in battle by taking advantage of his enemy's doubts is invincible." - Cao Cao
@ JoeTurner, Qi = vital energy,,,,nonethless a cool quotation
then where will china export its crap to ?
This is an excellent point. What worries me most is what happens if China says fuck it let's just turn inward and consume the fruits of our own labor rather then send it to America and get worthless paper in return.
When China annouces its Gold holdings in the Fall, as a precondition to joining the SDR, they may decide to back the Yuan by Gold which makes the previous statement all the more likely as the Yuan skyrockets and the Dollar crashes.
When shopping at Walmart is more expensive than Tiffany's shit will get real !
I've always asked myself if a country consume everything internally what it produce, does that country lose money or stay neutral ?
I've my hint about trade balance that must be positive (to win money) but I would like to know.
"When shopping at Walmart is more expensive than Tiffany's shit will get real!"
Sometimes keeping it real can go horribly wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SMWJ9yj9cY
EU is China biggest trading partner btw .
They should put that douche Clapper on a one way mission to lay siege on the CSC's (Chinese Sand Castles)... He can be in charge of the crew that runs the battering ram.
Let them play and kill each other over the sand castles and the world will rid itself of two diseases that are eating away the rest of us..
The US used China as an ally against the Soviet Union. Now China is challenging US economic and military hegemony while the US is trying to keep China boxed in - put the genie back in the bottle
The chances for conflict between China and US increase everyday as US blocks sales of common Intel chips for China's supercomputers. Trade tensions will lead to economic friction and rapidly rising chances of a military conflict.
China has just a few hundred nuclear warheads compared to 7000 for the US. Recently revealed revelations that the US almost launched nuclear weapons against China from Japan on Oct. 28, 1962 are sure to make the Chinese nervous and rethink their nuclear strategy. Chinese missiles surely have to be on alert raising the risk of an accidental war. Russia uses radar to monitor missiles and not satellites - so its missiles have to be ready to launch on very short notice. It ia nearly a perfect scenario for an accidental nuclear war.
With a slowing world economy, many wars all over the globe, tensions between USA and Russia, USA's policy of pivot to Asia, USA's blocking of chip sales to China, we are looking as heightened chances of war between US and China or US and Russia. The doomsday clock now stands at 3 minutes to midnight, about the closest it has been to midnight. We live in interesting times - not far from the end of times.
China will implose all by itself; negative birth rate, everybody with money getting it out as fast as possible before they go bust, Happy Baby travel for US Citizen anchor babies, ageing population. It will topple under it's own weight if we just let it. Maybe all that southern "undocumented" immigration ain't so bad for us.
Russia will topple too, same demographic problems as Japan and China, rampant TB, AIDS drug use (kinda same as in Baraboo WI or Belle Glade FL?), etc. Demography is destiny.
Wishful thinking. China has been there for 5,000 years and Russia 700 years. Both compare favourably to US.
ok wishful thinker
Meanwhile, while a war is going on the Big Reset will be slipped through in the name of "patriotism".
That's some nice hi-res imaging. If the US had that technology in Europe they might finally spot a Russian tank.
Yeahbut, the ones in the Ukraine can only photographed on dry days because they're made of cardboard and aren't even Russian.
Is everything blamed on the weather these days?
China dumping US treasuries? Hell, they are way beyond that. I am sure as part of the "deal" ( you know, a deal deal John Rickles Kelley's Heroes maybe he's a Republican) they agree NOT to dump US treasuries as long as the West agrees to keep suppressing the price of gold. So by being able to buy up gold on the cheap, China has already recouped the losses for it's soon to be worthless US Treasuries. Besides the US consumer is soon to be broke if it is not already so can't b uy anymore of China's crap. China will find the rest of the world to sell to...hence the new partnerships with Africa, Russia, the Silk Road development, the new South China Sea shipping lanes, etc.
Gold and S-400's.