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"Ferguson Effect" Triggers Nationwide "Crime Wave"

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Two weeks ago, we took a look at Baltimore in the aftermath of violent protests that left the city in ashes late last month. The astonishing statistic: from April 27 to May 14, there were 23 homicides in the city, for an average of 1.3 each day. 

We summed up the situation as follows: “But out of sight, out of mind for the rest of the country and we imagine that just as high crime rates and a generalized sense of despair were ignored before the riots, so too will they be ignored now that the media spectacle has died down ... at least until the next "purge."

In fact, May was the city’s bloodiest month since 1999 with more than 30 people shot on Memorial Day weekend alone. Here, courtesy of The Baltimore Sun, is a recap of those who were murdered in Baltimore from May 17 through May 25 alone:

Shaquil Hinton, 21, was killed at 12:29 a.m. Monday in the 800 block of W. Fayette St. in Poppleton, police said. He lived in the same block according to police.

 

Charles K. Jackson Jr., 32, was killed at 12:51 a.m. Sunday in the 900 block of Ducatel St. in Reservoir Hill, police said. Jackson lived nearby, in the 2300 block of Callow Ave., police said.

 

Hassan Fields, 20, was killed at 9:06 a.m. Saturday in the 100 block of S. Augusta Ave. in Irvington, police said. Fields lived in the 3700 block of W. Franklin St. in Allendale. When reached by phone, Fields' father declined to comment.

 

Umika Smith, 24, was killed at 1:28 p.m. Saturday in the 2000 block of Hollins St. in Boyd-Booth. No phone number was listed for her address in the same block. A double shooting happened nearby the following day, injuring a man and a woman, police said.

 

Bruce Fleming Jr., 23, was killed at 2 p.m. Saturday in the 2800 block of St. Lo Drive in Clifton Park, near Heritage High School, police said. Police said he lived in the 4800 block of Harford Road in Lauraville.

 

Tyrin Diggs, 19, was killed at 11:06 p.m. Friday in the first block of Benkert Ave. in Saint Josephs, police said. Diggs lived on the 700 block of E. Pontiac Ave. in Brooklyn, police said.

 

James Mckoy, 21, was killed at 11:51 p.m. Friday in the 1900 block of Wilhelm St., in Carrollton Ridge, police said. He lived in the 300 block S. Monroe St. in the same neighborhood, police said.

 

Kelvin Warfield, 25, was killed at 4:50 p.m. on Sunday, May 17, in the 100 block of S. Arlington Ave. in Hollins Market, police said. Warfield lived in the 2500 block of W. Fayette St., police said.

 

Additionally, a 9-year-old shot in the leg was among the victims in the shootings that took place over Memorial Day weekend, Baltimore police said.

Baltimore is not alone. 

The racially charged protests and demonstrations that have swept the country as a result of perceived police misconduct involving African American “suspects” has created what St. Louis police chief Sam Dotson calls “The Ferguson Effect”, whereby law enforcement are now more reluctant to use force to counter illegal activity for fear of prosecution or, more poignantly, for fear of finding themselves cast as the villain that catalyzes widespread civil unrest. This effect, some say, has led to a dramatic increase in violent crime throughout the country. 

Via WSJ:

In Milwaukee, homicides were up 180% by May 17 over the same period the previous year. Through April, shootings in St. Louis were up 39%, robberies 43%, and homicides 25%. “Crime is the worst I’ve ever seen it,” said St. Louis Alderman Joe Vacarro at a May 7 City Hall hearing.

 

Murders in Atlanta were up 32% as of mid-May. Shootings in Chicago had increased 24% and homicides 17%. Shootings and other violent felonies in Los Angeles had spiked by 25%; in New York, murder was up nearly 13%, and gun violence 7%.

 

Those citywide statistics from law-enforcement officials mask even more startling neighborhood-level increases. Shooting incidents are up 500% in an East Harlem precinct compared with last year; in a South Central Los Angeles police division, shooting victims are up 100%.

 

By contrast, the first six months of 2014 continued a 20-year pattern of growing public safety. Violent crime in the first half of last year dropped 4.6% nationally and property crime was down 7.5%. Though comparable national figures for the first half of 2015 won’t be available for another year, the January through June 2014 crime decline is unlikely to be repeated…

 

Almost any police shooting of a black person, no matter how threatening the behavior that provoked the shooting, now provokes angry protests..

 

Acquittals of police officers for the use of deadly force against black suspects are now automatically presented as a miscarriage of justice…

 

This incessant drumbeat against the police has resulted in what St. Louis police chief Sam Dotson last November called the “Ferguson effect.” Cops are disengaging from discretionary enforcement activity and the “criminal element is feeling empowered,” Mr. Dotson reported. Arrests in St. Louis city and county by that point had dropped a third since the shooting of Michael Brown in August. Not surprisingly, homicides in the city surged 47% by early November and robberies in the county were up 82%.

 

Similar “Ferguson effects” are happening across the country as officers scale back on proactive policing under the onslaught of anti-cop rhetoric. Arrests in Baltimore were down 56% in May compared with 2014.

 

“Any cop who uses his gun now has to worry about being indicted and losing his job and family,” a New York City officer tells me. “Everything has the potential to be recorded. A lot of cops feel that the climate for the next couple of years is going to be nonstop protests.”

And while Heather Mac Donald — the author of the WSJ piece, Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and the author of “Are Cops Racist?” — may be correct to say that “contrary to the claims of the 'black lives matter' movement, no government policy in the past quarter century has done more for urban reclamation than proactive policing. Data-driven enforcement, in conjunction with stricter penalties for criminals and “broken windows” policing, has saved thousands of black lives, brought lawful commerce and jobs to once drug-infested neighborhoods and allowed millions to go about their daily lives without fear,” it certainly seems reasonable to suggest that the logic behind the following statement from an NYPD officer Mac Donald interviewed for her piece seems questionable at best:

“Does an officer need to be unconscious before he can use force? If someone is willing to fight you, he’s also willing to take your gun and shoot you. You can’t lose a fight with a guy who has already put his hands on you because if you do, you will likely end up dead.”

Whatever position you care to take on the above, what's clear is that race relations in America are deteriorating, as are class relations with policy decisions at the highest levels serving only to exacerbate the divide between the rich and the poor (as discussed in "America's Class Segregation Problem In Four Charts"), thus creating still more tension in poor communities that have already sufferred from a lack of real opportunities for decades.

Does the recent wave of protests and demonstrations mark an epochal shift in American society or will this all be quietly swept under the rug in order to maintain the appearance of social stability?

 

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Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:14 | 6147388 greenskeeper carl
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Let me guess, all the perpetrators and victims in this spike of violent crime were all Canadians, right?

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:16 | 6147391 Budnacho
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All Curling and Backbacon related Im guessing...

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:19 | 6147396 Billy the Poet
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Welfare and Drug War related. The tag team scores another hit.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:24 | 6147408 0b1knob
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Shaquil, Hassan, Umika, Tyrin, and Kelvin.   All obvious Canadian names.

Damn Canadians ruin everything.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:35 | 6147436 Ms. Erable
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When will people start to understand the fact that the cops HAVE NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO PROTECT ANYONE OR ANYTHING FROM HARM? They exist only to:

A) levy fines for acts of malum prohibitum;

B) Protect their (pay)masters and other copgang members; and

C) Protect their pensions.

Where do you fit in the above list? That's right - NOWHERE. You're on your own, and best get comfortable with that fact right damn quick.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:44 | 6147456 0b1knob
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Arm yourself.   Save yourself.   You are on your own.   You have ALWAYS been on your own.

Don't be an unarmed imbecile.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:44 | 6147457 El Vaquero
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You're on your own, but you risk prosecution for defending yourself. 

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 17:32 | 6147572 Bumpo
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Give these poor oppressed communities all the rope they need to hang themselves. Live without Police, and police yourselves. You only have yourselves to blame.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 19:38 | 6147776 chumbawamba
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Oh, I see.  So unless police are allowed to maim, torture and kill anyone they choose as a target without repercussion or public outcry, they won't be able to do their job.  So what exactly is their job again?

Yeah, fuck the police, even the so-called "good ones".  If they were so good they'd realize the untenable dichotomy of the position they are put in and would walk away.  The fact is they're too dumb to know they're just pawns.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 20:34 | 6147939 Creepy A. Cracker
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Wow. Is hyperventilating your normal state of being or is it just when you go spastic about law enforcement?

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 21:29 | 6148047 erkme73
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?Chumba is dead on.  Unfortunately the police abuse issues has been co-opted by the race baiters.  Sure, there's an element of race involved, but I dare any white person to not immediately lick the boots of a cop (of any color) and see how quickly the fangs come out.  How many videos do we need to see, where a 'disrespected' cop dishes out a little blue-justice to the punk who doesn't comply.

When LEO's bark an illegal order to produce ID to a citizen who is 100% in their legal right to refuse, the citizen will be luck to survive the encounter.  THAT SHOULD NOT BE.   Contempt of cop is not a legal justification to assault citizens (of any color).   Cops have become accustomed to punishing citizens who aren't compliant with their every order.  Cameras are shining a spotlight on their behavior.  Instead of embracing the cameras as a way to prove why force was needed, they claim the cameras are dangerous and unwarranted.  Cockroaches don't like light either.

To Chumba's point - where are the good cops?  A cop who does nothing as his partner beats an  unconscious suspect, is a bad cop.  100% of the cops involved in the Freddie Gray arrest were indicted.  Where was the good cop among them?  Among all 10 San Bernadino cops that beat the horse thief suspect for over 2 minutes, where was the good cop?

A cop that doesn't cover for the bad ones is not seen as a team player.  His calls for backup will be delayed, or ignored.  Good cops don't exist exactly for the reason Chumba stated.   They'd either quit out of protest after seeing how their 'brothers in blue' abuse the public, or they'd get fired trying to change the system.  Look up FHP Trooper Jane Watts to see what happens to a real GOOD cop when they stand up to the thin blue wall...?
Sun, 05/31/2015 - 00:18 | 6148485 Ms. Erable
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Alright, kids, let's put the 'good cop' notion to rest - ain't no such animal. Consider:

1. All cops are sworn to enforce the law - ALL laws.

2. Many laws are unjust, and some are downright capricious.

Ergo, ALL cops have sworn to enforce ALL laws, INCLUDING unjust and capricious laws.

Tell me who the 'good cops' are again?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 00:57 | 6148539 TruxtonSpangler
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Cops are sworn to uphold CODES. Sheriff can enforce LAW. Congress enacts law. States enact CODES. Read all your state laws. Why are the called Municipal CODES? Codes arent laws.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 01:01 | 6148545 TruxtonSpangler
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Fun fact: Supreme Court upheld that Cops might not be chosen to be hired solely because their IQ is above 100. Look it up.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 01:17 | 6148569 r00t61
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It was a Federal appeals court, and not SCOTUS, but close enough.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

It has also been established in multiple court cases that you, the Citizen Prole, have no Constitutional right to police protection.

See:

Warren vs. District of Columbia

DeShaney vs. Winnebago County

Castle Rock vs. Gonzalez

Bowers vs. DeVito

Davidson vs. Westminster

And many more...

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 02:57 | 6148669 philipat
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With the usual total disregard for Political Correctness and a complete disdain for Progressive nitwits, Fred got it right again:

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Ballmer2.shtml

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 08:52 | 6148893 thatthingcanfly
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I thought I was the only one who read Fred.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 10:24 | 6149031 Calmyourself
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Ahh no, Fred rules...

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 01:37 | 6148583 Gold Eyed Cat
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I'm kinda sick of this Cops Vs Black Community circus that the media shoves down our throats.  The fact is BOTH sides are fucking wrong.  The cops have behaved disgraceful and the black community should be ashamed.  Both are barely better than feral animals.  Neither deserve our support.

 

On a side note, I also think Z-man and Trayvon-Skittles both deserved each other and got what they were asking for.

 

In conclusion.  Both sides suck.  I'm not falling for it.  Let them clean up their own filth.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 19:01 | 6147740 Colonel Klink
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Or worse, getting shot by those very police who arrive because you're simply holding a gun after defending yourself.  The "citizen" isn't allowed to possess a gun in the presence of police without the assumption that you're a danger to them or others.

You are to be disarmed for their safety!

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 11:58 | 6149267 Cloud9.5
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What's the old line about being tried by twelve or carried by six?  Self-defense is a natural right.  Retaliation is in God’s hands.  Learn the difference and you should be good to go.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 19:31 | 6147809 Antifaschistische
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So, let me see if I understand this article correctly......as a result of Ferguson and the evil police, black 20 something year old guys across the country start shooting eachother?

Okay, that makes sense....If Obama had a son....

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 19:55 | 6147862 cornflakesdisease
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If they decrease the surface population of these immoral thugs, this is bad because?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 01:02 | 6148550 TruxtonSpangler
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Because equality!

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:27 | 6147411 knukles
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All going according to the Messiah's Plan.
Civility falls apart, civil unrest spreads, lawlessness prevails as police can't keep order, rioting, looting, burning, murder

And Then Marital Law right during Jade Helm.

Coulda woulda shoulda

Shouldn't have been asking for Anarchy to Topple the System.  The Law of Unintended Consequences is a Bitch

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 17:00 | 6147503 Monty Burns
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"Marital" Law?  Freudian slip?

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 19:13 | 6147766 Normalcy Bias
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Is there a difference?

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 22:59 | 6148290 Metalredneck
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Martial law causes you to be fucked.

Marital law prevents it.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 00:11 | 6148477 Anusocracy
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What anarchy?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 08:47 | 6148889 Macchendra
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It's comments like these that make me want to troll the Jade Helm truthers...

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 17:31 | 6147544 daveO
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The Feds must seize control before a dollar colllapse. Otherwise, they will be left high and dry. Their welfare cattle will be left to fend, starve for themselves. I really don't think they can accomplish a total takeover of law enforcement. The states are already pushing back with stand your ground laws. These laws are meant to protect ourselves from the feral animals that the Fed. gov. has created. We are, most likely, living in the worst anarchy. I say this because white, law abiding areas of the country will not allow themselves to be overrun. As soon as the fed. gov. stops supporting their feral pets, these same feral animals stand the chance of dying immediately. Here's what happens when they overflow from the Fed. sponsored sewer.

http://patch.com/maryland/owingsmills/police-charge-man-owings-mills-hom...

 

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 18:32 | 6147683 MilwaukeeMark
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If the left played football they would never pass or run the ball. Rather, they would point in some far off direction and when everyone was looking away, move the ball with their foot down field by 1/10th of an inch. If you called them on it they would call you  a homophobe, or a racist, or sexist, or that you hate the poor. Well guys, 100 years of the Elitist plan since Jekyl Island, giving away power to the globalists, 1/10th of an inch a day, a yard a year .. and we are here, "first and goal" with America's fate on the line.  

They are ready now to take the ball over the line but most of us have got their number and we are watching their feet. So now ....  as their final act ... they will produce guns, hold them to our heads and carry the ball over the goal line.  And that's what Ferguson and Baltimore and Jade Helm is all about.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 19:56 | 6147864 cornflakesdisease
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The dollar will collapse as soon as we run out zeros . . .

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 08:20 | 6148861 Refuse-Resist
Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:42 | 6147448 msmith9962
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Uh... I don't think you can say "triggers" anymore.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 17:37 | 6147586 Pure Evil
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Any word with "igger" in it should be banned.

Cause, ya know, it's for the children.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 20:39 | 6147947 Creepy A. Cracker
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Niggardly. A perfectly reasonable word that has nothing to do with race.  Years ago the Washington D.C. comptroller was fired for using it in a completely appropriate way when talking about the D.C. budget at a public meeting. 

Niggardly:

1:  grudgingly mean about spending or granting :  begrudging 2:  provided in meanly limited supply
Sat, 05/30/2015 - 22:56 | 6148281 Bárðarbunga
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This is a true story. My ex-employee's brother worked for a software firm and was present at a meeting when the guy used this word. This happened at a Baltimore company, but it's possible that this story got retold a million times. He tried talking his way out of the conversation pleading to the "boss" to look the word up. He was fired because according to company policy he made a racial slur. Unbelievable.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:02 | 6148300 msmith9962
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Probably cant get fired for talking about honking your horn or eating crackers.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 11:36 | 6149210 Ballin D
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What I would give to be a fly on the wall when the smug HR rep and manager were explaining to their legal department how cut and dried the issue was. Hahaha that lawyer went home and had whiskey for dinner while reconsidering his life choices no doubt...

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:08 | 6148335 Ms No
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I reduced a room of people in Washington state to horror and gasps by using the term reneged (pronounced renigged) once.  One individual exclaimed "I can't believe you just said that."  I couldn't stop laughing at the stupidity of it.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:20 | 6148370 Government need...
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They journeyed across the ocean from the US to Liberia.  There, they renigged.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 05:58 | 6148758 Ginsengbull
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obama was reelected.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 00:14 | 6148482 TheMeatTrapper
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Reneged: Defintion: Shift change at McDonalds.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:28 | 6147407 rbg81
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Gee, what a shock! [/s]

People should be careful what they wish for.  They want anarchy, that's what they'll get -- they probably won't like it though.  A few thugs will skate, but everyone else will suffer.  Maybe one day, all those #BlackLivesMatter dumbasses will realize that the biggest losers are the people they purport to care about?  Kinda doubt it though.  It's all about milking the issue for all it's worth, not solving the problem.

Of course, the endgame for all this is REPARATIONS.  And that won't solve shit either.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:38 | 6147441 Billy the Poet
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The inner city petrie dish is brought to you by your rulers. Why would you blame anarchy which means "no rulers" for the chaos created by the rulers?

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 19:32 | 6147808 rbg81
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I sometimes wonder what the inner city would look like if everyone just left it alone.  It might not be as bad as it is right now, but it might well be worse.  One thing for sure:  it will never resemble Bruges.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 05:56 | 6148757 Ginsengbull
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How would it look if there were no tv?

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:19 | 6148366 Government need...
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A canard, the notion that 'the inner city petrie dish is brought to you by your rulers'.  It's what happens when niggers do their thing.  There is no effective 'ruler' in Liberia.  Look @ Baboontown.  They shit on the beaches. Drugs and prostitution are rampant, and poverty, disease, and murder are ubiquitous.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 00:25 | 6148498 Billy the Poet
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We are both white and I am a reasonable man while you are a self defeating fool. Similarly not all black people are identical.  If you can't understand that maybe you should ask an Asian to explain it to you. They're awfully smart.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 02:02 | 6148615 Government need...
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Ha, ha, ha.  I appreicate your latest name calling.  That's always the way to convince someone to change their opinion.  The IQ stats DO suggest Asians are 0.5 SD more intelligent than whites.  It's the niggers who finish dead last in that category.  Self defeating?!?  

 

If you acknowledge niggers are less intellgent than whites, who are less intelligent than Asians, we might have a more constructive dialogue, i.e. one that is fact based.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 02:54 | 6148666 Billy the Poet
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I'll acknowledge that you are far less intelligent than I am.  Which, by your own standard, qualifies you for deportation to your progenitors' country of' origin.

Dont fergit ta rite.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 12:10 | 6149299 dirty dolphin
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you are far less intelligent than I am

 

I doubt it.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 22:12 | 6148162 The King
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I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do... www.jobs-review.com

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:10 | 6148342 Government need...
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Have you gotten syphilis yet, from all those anonymous blow jobs?

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 22:58 | 6148285 meghaljani
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No. They are niggers. 

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:52 | 6148436 Abaco
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This is the damn cops not doing their job. They expect privelieged treatment. If you charge any of them for criminal behavior they flip their employers the bird and say "ok then fuck you we won't do wht you py us to do."

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 09:03 | 6148902 markpower49
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Any white man who doesn't want to expel all blacks isn't worth a damn.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:16 | 6147394 blindman
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when you say triggers you mean triggers, right?

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 17:02 | 6147510 Gold N Glocks
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Those inner cities, hell, the whole country in general, would be a whole lot safer and family friendly without all those damn triggers lurking around.  You ever known a trigger that was worth a damn?  Excepting of course those that actually work like those on a gun.  But your regular everyday run of the mill lazy trigger...we really ought to return them and tell the company/country to just keep the "change".

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:29 | 6147403 Urban Redneck
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Of course Rupert Murdoch's minions will carry water for the fascist police state.

"Any cop who uses his gun now has to worry about being indicted and losing his job and family,” a New York City officer tells me. “Everything has the potential to be recorded. A lot of cops feel that the climate for the next couple of years is going to be nonstop protests.”

Look the statistics for the last couple of YEARS in the USSA, the average number of homicides by police police officers has risen to over 2 PER DAY.  While the rate of convictions of police officers for homicide is still 0 per day.

RULE OF LAW is not the same as RULE BY LAWMEN.

The pigs brought this on themselves, by their own actions, over a period of decades, culminating an obscene hockey stick of police homicides over the past half decade.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:55 | 6147492 Totentänzerlied
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The Baby Boomers witnessed (and participated in) the greatest crime wave in US history. It ended in about 1995. Militarization of police began even as crime rates continue to decline, the explosion of police violence mirrors the fall in non-police crime.

They control the narrative, they control reality. This is no crime wave, it will hardly even register on the per-100,000 rate.

The giveaway is that police stations themselves remain rather modest and ridiculously vulnerable. If police stations start to come under direct assault, things are finally getting real. Right now the only thing they're concerned about is to where to retire at 55.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:58 | 6147499 boattrash
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Well, if LEOs hadn'd blurred/erased the fuckin lines of what really calls for "use of force" (such as no-knock warrants on  non-violent people, flash bangs in baby cribs, tasing kids while walking their dog/shooting people's dogs, seizing property w/out any convictions or even charges filed, conducting raids based off of a scared junkies ass-saving testimony, roid rage, or general douche-baggery) maybe they wouldn't be so fucking confused, as to when/why use of force is needed.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 17:35 | 6147579 Bumpo
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I agree, but as far as this Ferguson crap goes, and this goes for Rodney King as well, you resist arrest, fight back, attack a cop .. I don't care if you're white or black, don't be suprised if you get a major ass-whooping or worse.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 17:59 | 6147607 boattrash
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Yep, if I had pulled a Rodney King stunt, they would still be beatin my white ass...

But the point I was making is that you need not  do any of the things you listed in your post, to draw the LEO's wrath these days.

Edit

http://www.couriernews.com/view/full_story/15896084/article-Dover-invest...

Bumpo, note the date on article. Not one of these cops have been punished yet. PS there are more articles out there on this case.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 02:27 | 6148642 Bumpo
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Yup, you're spot on. I guess my point is this is NOT a Race issue. This is Right vs Wrong issue. Cops need to know they can go to jail for acting out of line and busting heads for no reason. Likewise, thugs need to know you better fucking cooperate and do as your told. This all has to be within in reason on both sides. Cops cannot be allowed to shoot first and ask questions later. What ever happened to rubber bullets for fleeing suspects. There has to be a way to deal with crime in a fair way, even under the most borderline situations.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 03:17 | 6148685 El Vaquero
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Let the thugs kill each other and let people defend themselves.  The thugs who are thugs only because of the neighborhood they grew up in will get a clue and the rest of the clusterfuck will sort itself out.  If a cop can order a thug about, he can order you about too. 

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:06 | 6148323 Freddie
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Protecting their pensions is hard work.

 

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 17:01 | 6147509 Bob
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Yeah, but more protests

You get too many people out their exercising their constifuckingtutional rights and this thing can get out of hand!

Oh, no.  Not that!  Anything but that. 

We don't want no constitution problem.  After all we've managed to do.  Folks should have just forgotten about that constitution business by now!

Damn 'dose darkies.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 06:14 | 6148768 Abaco
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If the little pussies are so worried about being indicted for using their gun then they are stuid as well as cowardly. It almost NEVER happens. It just goes to show you that many of the people given the badge these days should not be given one. They have some deep seated need for approval and respect and an inability to accept that they, like everyone else, must be accountable for their actions.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 16:40 | 6149931 DosZap
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Your POSSIBLY missing the BIG PICTURE.

Obama is allowing this to spread(if you notice it's IN the Blue States with the toughest Gun Laws.And the most liberal policies.NONE of this crap is happening in the Red states.(down here it would be shut down like a 9yr old Yanks Lemonaide stand).NO Licenses.

He's WANTING it to spread so he can PULL  HIS trump  card, and STAY in office.( ala as FDR,and take over the entire country(or try to).

Martial Law across the USA.(fat chance he will pull this off in Red Zones where these antics won't be ALLOWED to happen.This(IMO) is where all the military drills and practice runs come in.Look for the Chi Town,Ferguson,Baltimore,and NYC LE Depts to be Nationalized and Federalized.(making them defacto Federal troops).

We (IF THIS CONTINUES or GROWS) are on an exponential road to the Second Civil War.

 

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:24 | 6147409 PermaBug
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Exactly as I predicted in the first threads about Ferguson and the guy on the stolen horse and the invincible christian family, lol.

Of course, any person with an IQ above 50 could have predicted this result.

As I said then, in 6 months all over tv will be black mothers screaming and crying and complaining why aren't the police doing anything to stop the violence.

All so very easy to predict. Wish the market was so easy.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:27 | 6147421 zeroaccountability
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 Andy of Mayberry never shot a single person, if I recall.  Of course, the 'criminal element' in those days was in shorter supply.

 

In a way, it's a good thing that cops are being held to account.  Just the same, the equation has changed now. Criminals are emboldened, cops are reticent. Keep calm and carry.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:31 | 6148394 motorollin
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No Canadians in Mayberry.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:44 | 6147426 foodstampbarry
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Cloward Piven

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 20:51 | 6147969 TBT or not TBT
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Federalization of local policing is more to the point. The central control freaks want that power and given their ability to borrow printed fiat and distribute it around to broke localities they will win power again and again.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:41 | 6147442 zebrasquid
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Figures, nig..rs

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:45 | 6147458 Billy the Poet
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The word is "niggers."  If you're going to make a damned fool out of yourself at least be a man about it and not a pussy.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:09 | 6148340 Government need...
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When you dont know who the fool on the thread is, it might be you.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:22 | 6148372 Billy the Poet
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But I do know who the fools are in this thread. My fault is that I enjoy poking at such idiots because I like to see them exhibit their moronic, impotent rage.

Look out, there's a negro behind you!

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 00:19 | 6148490 TheMeatTrapper
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"Look out, there's a negro behind you!"

If there is a negro behind you, you have nothing to fear. On the other hand, if there's a nigger behind you - you need to be man enough to be responsible for your own well being. 

Unfortunately Billy, you are neither man enough to be responsible for yourself or intelligent enough to discern the difference between a negro and a nigger. 

That, is the true sign of an impotent, moronic submissive.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 00:31 | 6148506 Billy the Poet
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"Unfortunately Billy, you are neither man enough to be responsible for yourself"

Well there's an unsupported non-sequitur. Care to provide documentation for your assertion?  I predict failure on your part much like with your potency problem.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 01:01 | 6148546 TheMeatTrapper
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"Care to provide documentation for your assertion?"

Sure - your statements speak for themselves. It's funny how a pussy like yourself must immediately speak to the penis of another man. 

How long have you had such a fixation on other mens genitalia? You really need to seek professional help with that. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 01:13 | 6148568 Billy the Poet
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Sure - your statements speak for themselves.

 

Then cite a quote which demonstrates that I can't be responsible for myself as was stated. By chosing to deflect attention with your penis fixation you came up short. Again.

Provide the quote or concede defeat.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 01:58 | 6148609 Government need...
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'Impotent rage'; that's right out of the handbook.  Jesus, you fucktards are always so  . . . bright.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 02:00 | 6148611 Billy the Poet
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The "niggers" you imagine are wild animals deserving of death and yet you haven't killed any yet. Therefore, within your own paranoiac paradigm, you are impotent.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 02:20 | 6148638 Government need...
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Deserving of death. . . I dont recall expressing that idea.  Maybe your 138 IQ isnt mated to an equally powerful memory. . .  Kind of like a nNHRA funny car engine linked to a farm tractor's tranny. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 03:18 | 6148683 Billy the Poet
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You said that "niggers" have an "insatiable, uncontrollable desire to commit violent crime."


You claimed that you spent years living amongst people with these insatiable, violent tendencies and yet we are supposed to believe that not once were you attacked and in a position where you had to fight for your life?

In other words you've gone full hyperbolic and I called you on it.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 10:28 | 6149041 Calmyourself
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Billy your thinking is mud puddle deep, hope your poetry is better or at least deeper. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 11:57 | 6149258 Government need...
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Look little one, CRIME STATISTICS support my assertion.  The FBI data demonstrates niggers are prolific violent crime perpetrators.  London crime statistics suggest the same concept.  Look at any nation in Africa's crime statistics (little difficult given the general lack of civilization).  The answer lies before your eyes.  Dare to stop lying and see the truth.

Yes, some niggers tried to mug me one night during my Harlem experiment.  They stopped.  I'm in a different life phase.  That Harlem experience led me to conclude that with a family, I should live as far away from niggers as possible.  So I do.

Merkel got one thing right when she said 'Multiculturalism is dead'.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:46 | 6147452 SmilinJoeFizzion
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I see more cops eating in 4 star restaurants IN uniform than at Dunkin Donuts... These guys are more in tune with Zagat ratings than patrolling the mean streets.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:14 | 6148354 Freddie
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Oh I recall going to lunch at a place like a nicer Panera.  Fireman on and off duty would come in for lunch.  New trucks, boating/fishing clothes and they had an attitude like they were hedge fund mangers because of their golden pensions and our national love for the selfless first responders.

The guys who do EMS at accidents provide a service but most fireman lift weights all day and work on their side job.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:46 | 6147453 Bob
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So sad the cops have to slow the roll of their killing machine. 

What a load of bullshit.  A real "Ferguson Effect" would have them cowering for their lives in their off-duty hours. 

Fearful of all their crimes and victims catching up with their asses to deliver real--and long overdue--Justice first-hand, mano a mano.

Sniveling cocksucking thugs. 

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:46 | 6147461 CHC
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Oh hell and it's not even summer yet.  Wait until the heat gets turned up - then things will be a poppin' all over the damn place! 

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:47 | 6147464 YHC-FTSE
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I was wondering when the militarized police would use the protests to play the victim and refuse to do their jobs.

Grow the fuck up. It's not rocket science to catch criminals and leave law-abiding citizens alone. It's not hard to treat people like people until they show themselves to be otherwise. Meh what can you expect from those who casually commit serious crimes, have a long history of corruption and suck at the govt's rancid teat? I just feel sorry for the genuine few recruits who joined up to help their communities.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:04 | 6148308 Dr. Bonzo
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Exactly. These fat dumb shaven-head nazi cowards are demanding their right to throw you into lockup and giggle "my bad" when you come out dead and they're throwing a fucking hissy fit because people demand to be treated with respect?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 05:49 | 6148752 Ginsengbull
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Respect must be earned.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:47 | 6147467 10mm
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This is a normal response from law enforcement. It's was so predictable. On top of that, the high yellow prosecutor in Baltimore showed bias. In addition, those FSA types are not aware their played, yet kill each other.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:53 | 6148444 OldPhart
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'High Yellow', a Florida lady way back in the swamps explained that term to me.  Never suspected blacks had their own color coding and prejudices.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 00:21 | 6148493 TheMeatTrapper
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Blacks are far more color coded and racist than whites ever will be. "High yellow", "Red Bone" and "Blue Gum". 

Whitey didn't invent those terms. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 03:24 | 6148689 El Vaquero
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Everybody is racist or otherwise prejudiced in some way or another.  For example, Navajos fucking HATE Mexicans.  As long as there are more than one group of people, this will be the case. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 05:47 | 6148751 Ginsengbull
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That's not racism, it's tribal pride.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 11:50 | 6149243 Government need...
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Oh yes, while living in da hood, I also discovered that African niggers generally dislike American niggers.  The African strain views the American hybrid as particularly uncultured.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 16:52 | 6147477 Monty Burns
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 "Cops are disengaging from discretionary enforcement activity" 

That's been my humble recommendation to them.  Leave the vibrants alone, let them be vibrants in their own vibrant neighborhoods.  Look the other way.  But of course the vibrants eventually realize that maybe the White cops are needed after all.

Just like gentrification.  Vibrants complain when Whites leave the hood - "takin' da jobs wit dem" and then they complain if Whites return. Gentification putting houses out of reach of da bruddas. Noamsane?

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 17:00 | 6147505 Billy the Poet
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You'd be surprised how quickly the black community would recover if the government would just leave them alone.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 17:47 | 6147600 itstippy
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Huh?  Do you have any idea how much money and resources "The Government" pours into "The Black Community"?  Unemployment is so high and commerce is so low that "The Black Community" would turn into nightmarish chaos within days if the government checks and social programs were abolished.

How, exactly, would the black community quicky recover if the government would just leave them alone?  Please elaborate.

 

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 20:17 | 6147903 Vidar
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The money is part of the problem. It enables a culture that has no respect for hard work or what it takes (or would take in the absence of welfare) to survive. Before welfare just being able to keep your family fed and a roof over their heads was something to be proud of. It gave even the poorest a sense of self respect. Now they get those things for free and so have no respect for them or for those who provide them.

In addition, a large chunk of government money goes to support the police who enforce the drug laws, which have done even more harm than welfare. If government got out of the black community (and the white community, for that matter) we would not have all of these young men either in jail or unable to get a job because they have some type of "record". End the drug war, end welfare, and get rid of the minimum wage: these are the three things that are hurting the poor of all races the most.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 20:38 | 6147946 TBT or not TBT
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W talked about "the soft racism of low expectations". Of which, at this point, if your not a little guilty of then you are a fool. Joking around now: the way forward is to levy a tax on progressives, libtards, and control freaks only, to pay the freight of the black underclass they have ruined with their generosity over the last five decades. At least I wouldn't be paying for this mess alongside those who created it.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 22:25 | 6148207 forwardho
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Sonce the "war on poverty " began, over 22 Trillion has been taken from productive citizens and Wasted on the unproductive.
Murder is the leading cause of death for 18 - 25 yr old black men. Pull the cops And let that statistic rise.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:01 | 6148298 Dr. Bonzo
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It's funny... but if someone were to point out to you how the US blew trillions in wars in Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan, you'd vigorously nod your head and agree... but because this concerns the darkies you get all white supremacist.

 

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:26 | 6148388 Sophist Economicus
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Its funny, that after spending any time at all on ZH you'd think that. But then, putting up silly straw man arguments probably works well at huffpo

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:31 | 6148390 Dr. Bonzo
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What's the strawman genius. Spell it out. Huffpo????? LMFAO. You fucking morons crack me up. Just because I'm not gonna jump on your little closet KKK party wagon here that makes me a fucking libtard from Huffpo? Hahaha... this takes the cake.

SMFH.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:35 | 6148402 Sophist Economicus
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Dr Bozo says:

ALL ZH readers approve of trillions spent on Vietnam, Iraq and Iran wars

ALL ZH readers are racists because they are LOL that lack of 'broken windows' policing results in an a priori obvious increase in black on black senseless murders

Therefore DR Bozo is a fucking idiot.

Bye bye

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:41 | 6148411 Billy the Poet
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ALL ZH readers approve of trillions spent on Vietnam, Iraq and Iran wars

 

Actually he said that most ZH readers are probably smart enough to realize that the money spent in Vietnam and Iraq was wasted. But he was wrong, you're not even able to understand plain English.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:51 | 6148433 Dr. Bonzo
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Hahaha.... it's too funny. He actually not only misquoted what I wrote but reversed the meaning... implying... hahahaha.... oh my fucking sides.

 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 00:16 | 6148484 Billy the Poet
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All white people are stupid. It was bound to happen.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 10:33 | 6149050 Oliver Klozoff
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.

 

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:46 | 6148412 Dr. Bonzo
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Even Google translate can't untangle that shit. I'm meeting some actual libtards tonight at a party, thanks for giving me some priceless laughs. LMFAO.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 22:36 | 6148230 Billy the Poet
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How, exactly, would the black community quicky recover if the government would just leave them alone?  Please elaborate.

 

Perhaps you hadn't noticed but being "taken care of" by people who seek to exploit you is a bad thing.  Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime, undermine a man's confidence and abilities with affirmative action and welfare while simultaneously creating a violent economy through the obscene profits available through illegal drugs and you'll destroy millions of lives.

But if you believe otherwise perhaps I can put you in a zoo, take care of all your needs and check back in a few decades to see how your progeny are doing.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:05 | 6148316 Metalredneck
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That's some victim mentality BS right there.

What's your plan, then?

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:25 | 6148386 Billy the Poet
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The plan would be to end the welfare-warfare state.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:07 | 6148327 Government need...
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It's not like that with niggers.  They are encouraged to head to the polls every election.  And a little violence from niggers goes a long way to jutifying more thugcops, guns, tanks, and drones.  Niggers are more useful when they are not in cages.  From a certain perspective.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:26 | 6148389 Dr. Bonzo
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Walk up to the first black person you come across and repeat that. Verbatim.

 

Exactly.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:36 | 6148403 Billy the Poet
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Oh, he'd do it. If the black person in question was a five year old girl. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 01:55 | 6148606 Government need...
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Lived for years on 127th Street.  Walked 125th frequently between 2 and 4 AM.  Aint skeered.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 03:45 | 6148700 Billy the Poet
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So you were lying when you said that the "niggers" who lived there were insatiably and uncontrollable violent? Because what you're saying now makes it sound like that wasn't the case at all. I mean, you walked down streets inhabited by insatiably violent people on a regular basis in the dead of night and nothing ever happened? It doesn't add up.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 12:08 | 6149291 Government need...
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You have no idea how the world works.  Most nights, 125th @ 2 AM was desolate.  The druggies/drunks were all happy, and 125th was too high visibility to be the street where much dealing occurred.  At worst, walking 125th street @ 2 AM is like spending time in a bar where the bouncers and the patrons are all looking to fight.  Those who saw me may have been offended that a cracker would walk THEIR block (125th elicits this sense of  . . . pride in some niggers), and maybe they'd think about starting some shit, but . . . then they have to wonder if I'm an undercover. . . or just plain crazy.  Both cause those BBDs to go a little limp.

When you are looking for a fight, you are thinking a little bit about who you want to fight.  You want to start something with a person who is 3 sheets to the wind whom you have observed to be a pushover.  The LAST person you want to start something with is a guy who is calm, quiet, and exudes a mix of confidence and menace.

Igonre my personal experience, and focus your 'impotent rage' on the crime statistics.  I dont think the FBI faked them, even if you choose to believe I'm lying.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 00:44 | 6148522 TheMeatTrapper
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"Walk up to the first black person you come across and repeat that."

What your single celled mind doesn't seem to want to comprehend is that the first black person you may encounter may not be a nigger. 

He may, in fact be a black man.

There is a tremendous difference between a black man and a nigger. Of course, reality is something you have no interest in is it?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 01:14 | 6148537 Billy the Poet
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If you didn't want to cop out you could accept the challenge by telling someone whom you would consider to be a "nigger" that he is a "nigger" and that you want to dance with him. But there is no courage in your conviction, is there?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 01:54 | 6148605 Government need...
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Why bother?  I avoid niggers like the plague.  Without knowing an individual, you can apply statistics and obtain a risk/reward to an interaction.  IQ 1 to 1.5 SD lower?  Higher odds of committing violent crime?  Low impulse control?  Riiight.  I'm going to waste my time with an interaction.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 02:05 | 6148622 Billy the Poet
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You scream incessantly about "niggers" to other white folks on the Internet while refusing to confront any of those evil demons in person and yet you were confused when I accurately described your position as one of "impotent rage." What was your IQ again?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 02:14 | 6148631 Government need...
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Years lived in Harlem give me ample experience on which to draw conclusions.  My anger is limited to the refusal of many, all in the name of that failed concept of 'diversity (of skin color) is good, to acknowledge niggers bring with them a HUGE amount of baggage which cannot be effectively addressed via another handout or reverse discrimination program.  Niggers need to man up and fix their own problems within their own communities.  Of course, to a nigger, 'man up' means get on 6 bitches and make at least 2 of them pregnant.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 03:05 | 6148676 Billy the Poet
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Whereas to you "man up" means to anonymously rail against evil niggers on the Internet.  If that doesn't confirm your superiority I don't know what will.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 12:09 | 6149296 Government need...
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FBI crime statistics.  Is dey raciss?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 09:35 | 6148940 itstippy
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Thank you for elaborating.  My thoughts are similar.

I'm frustrated that for decades the most outspoken black "community organizers" devoted the majority of their time to organizing vote drives and protests to demand more government resources be allocated to the "black community" in the form of increased transfer payments, affirmative action, neighborhood rehabilitation grants, etc.  Very little effort was made to look inward and determine what the "black community" could do to improve quality of life on their own.

Too many young blacks grow up with completely fucked up priorities.  The young men are killing each other in turf wars over who gets to sell drugs on what street corner.  They're having multiple children with multiple partners with no sense of responsibility for raising those children into self-reliant well-adjusted confident adults.  In many cases the children are financially supporting the adults, by qualifying them for increased transfer payments and other social programs.  It's just a mess.

There is no easy solution.  Neighborhood watch groups to root out the gangbangers and career criminals would help, but the root cause is economic.  The decent-paying manufacturing jobs are gone.  Detroit no longer hires auto workers at the Big Three plants.  Carter Carburator closed their St. Louis factory.  The jobs are gone and are NOT COMING BACK.

I don't have the answer.  Simply ending government financial support to the black community won't fix things, and neither will continuing or increasing it.  

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 22:58 | 6148286 Dr. Bonzo
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'Do you have any idea how much money and resources "The Government" pours into "The Black Community"?'

LMAO. You mean like in Iraq? Or Afghanistan? Or Vietnam back in the day? Or the Post Office? Or any other gubmint boondoggle. Since when did ZH harbor this many gubmint lickspittles? LMAO.... and since when does the sheer amount of money a government blows on anything correlate positively to an outcome? Oh wait, it's the darkies we're supposed to be lambasting here.

And this tripe gets upvoted?

SMFH.

 

Let's see... what's ZH becoming a haven for? Putin lovers, Chinese wu mao.. and now we have the KKK and racial supremacists marching in.

WTF ZH.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:08 | 6148331 Dr. Bonzo
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I got downvoted by a closet racist. Fuck my day just gets better and better.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 09:44 | 6148957 itstippy
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The original premise was that the government should just leave the black community alone.  

My observation was that if they did that, economic chaos would ensue and the black community would suffer terribly.

Then you jump in and call me a racist that wants to end financial support for the black community?

You got downvoted because you're an addled idiot. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 12:18 | 6149317 Government need...
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The natural status quo within a nigger community is either: (a) Liberia (spear-chucking cannibalism) or (b) a dictatorship where law exists only b/c a strongman effectively frightens people into submission.  In the strongman scenario, the strongman is skimming for himself, about on par with one of today's oligarchs.  Niggers just dont care to plan for the long-term or work hard to get ahead.  You send white or asian settlers to Liberia, and they'd first be farmers and merchants, then develop manufacturing and industry.  Send niggers to Liberia, and they manage to destroy every vestige of first world civilization.  The empirical evidence is all around the world, anywhere niggers comprise the majority population of a nation state. 

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:02 | 6148301 buffed
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Actually, Billy is correct but not in the way he intended.  If left to fend for themselves by pulling social benefits and law enforcement the natural forces of Darwinism would eventually solve the problem.  Of course this would entail mass starvation and slaughter among themselves.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:30 | 6148393 Billy the Poet
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Just like any good statist you believe that you know the talents, faults, needs and desires of millions of people whom you have never met.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 03:31 | 6148692 El Vaquero
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If the little hiccup in EBT is anything to go by, removing all government intervention in black communities would cause pandemonium.  Most don't have the skills to raise their own food, so they would have to turn to other means of survival. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 08:04 | 6148833 Bob
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C'mon, in any fairness at all, one has to acknowledge that the majority of the residents of this predominantly urban nation have neither the knowledge nor the essential resources to raise enough food to support a family for a year.  The average postal-stamp size yard--for the minority who live in single-family residences to begin with--would never yield enough, regardless of how intensively it were planted, even assuming a vegetarian diet and laws that would allow it.  

I know you're a farmer, and have genuinely encyclopedic knowledge on this subject, so please correct me if I'm wrong. 

But given our urban population distribution, I think a serious break in the food supply chain would wreak pandemonium for the vast majority, regardless of race. Shit, even if people had both the knowledge and resources, they'd need at least 3 months of lead time--given a favorable Spring onset--to live until a harvest. 

Am I not at least technically correct, EV?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 13:56 | 6149039 El Vaquero
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I'm not a farmer, I've just taken very serious interest in food production.  And yes, a break in supply chains will lead to pandemonium, and even with planning ahead, places like NYC would be screwed.  I should have been more broad:  What skills do they have, assuming that supply chains don't break?  Answer that, and you'll understand what I'm getting at.  They need to learn to live without government intervention, and the government needs to stop interviening, but the transition period would be pandemonium.  To make it worse, there will be no planning and preperation for it. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:08 | 6150548 Bob
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Okay.  And I'm saying the race tree is the worng one to be barking up here.  I can't imagine what would make you think black people know less than white people about dirt poor survival. 

White people would kill one another long before blacks penetrated their defenses.  And you were taling about a scenario where EBT died. 

We all know what that means for the supply chain. 

Black people who don't have any possibility of getting jobs at a living wage in an economy with about 10% structural unemployment are not anybody's REAL problem. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 12:20 | 6149321 Government need...
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Cannibalism in Liberia is all too common.  Strength in numbers, indeed.  Why carry a sandwich for lunch when he can carry himself . . . til it's time to eat.

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:08 | 6148334 Government need...
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Riiiiight.  Let's look @ Liberia for evidence. . . Or South Africa.  Very cosmopolitan . . .

Sat, 05/30/2015 - 23:32 | 6148396 Billy the Poet
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Right, because all black people think and act exactly the same just as you and I as white people think and act exactly the same.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 00:49 | 6148527 TheMeatTrapper
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Your logic is flawed. 90% of black vote the same, whereas only 50% of white people vote the same. You really should consider reality when formualting your opinions. If you did, perhaps you wouldn't  appear so foolishly stupid. 

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