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France's National Front Party Joins UK In Call For EU In/Out Referendum
Just days after David Cameron's "I promise a referendum" victory in the British elections, which JPMorgan warns now looks likely to happen as early as 2016, France's far-right National Front party has called for an in/out referendum on the EU at the same time as the UK holds its vote. As EUObserver reports, Florian Philippot, an MEP and the party’s deputy head wrote to French President Francois Hollande this week, "the time has come to ask everybody in Europe Yes or No - if they want sovereignty to decide on their own future."
With French daily Le Figaro, in an Ifop poll published on Friday, finding 62% of French people would vote No to the EU constitution again if they were asked the same question as 10 years ago, the question of a French referendum is serious for the future of the EU. As EUObserver reports,
Florian Philippot, an MEP and the party’s deputy head, wrote on Thursday (28 May) that president Francois Hollande should “follow the British example” and “follow the calendar outlined by our neighbours across The Channel”.
“The time has come to ask everybody in Europe Yes or No - if they want sovereignty to decide on their own future”.
He added that British PM David Cameron, who is currently on a tour of European capitals to sound out feeling on a renegotiation of EU powers, “with this referendum … has put himself in a powerful position to demand real reforms”.
He also said that if Hollande declines to do it, the National Front will put an in/out EU vote “at the heart” of its 2017 presidential election campaign.
Speaking on BFM-TV earlier in the week, Philippot noted that his party wants a “referendum republic”, in which average people can trigger a popular vote on any subject if they file more than 500,000 signatures.
He cited Switzerland as a model and listed French membership in Nato, in the Schengen passport-free area, and the EU-US free trade treaty as other potential votes.
The eurosceptic and anti-immigrant National Front came first in France’s EU elections last year, with 25 percent of the vote, and again in local elections earlier this year.
Interestingly it is only the French who have a majority of people who believe UK should leave EU (as opposed to EU acquiescing to UK's demands)...
Which means 2 major European economies will likely face referenda withn 12-18 months, as JPMorgan recently noted, U.K. won’t delay the promised in out referendum on EU membership until 2017 but will put the issue to vote in late 2016 instead. Given the ruling Conservatives have only a small majority, any legislation could fail if euro skeptics within the party vote against it, suggesting the party leadership will want to get the issue resolved sooner rather than later.
Cameron initially said the vote would happen before the end of 2017 to give the govt time to renegotiate with other EU members
Since it seems unlikely Treaty revisions will take place within that timeframe and there’s limited room for the U.K. to secure any deep change, there may be strategic reasons to hold the referendum in late 2016, JPMorgan says.
Whether through mainstream political parties being forced into populist referenda to hold power or by separatist threats, Europe's union appears to be creaking...
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As the European economy crumbles, accelerated by sanctions imposed by USA and NATO on Russia, political divisions will become wider and more intractable.
Look for the EU to disintegrate as the European economy deteriorates.
Prosperity papers over political divisions. Poverty widens every division.
To vote on the "power to print".
Gee, I wonder how THAT will turn out !
This looks like a job for Eurogirl!
There is little doubt that the UK leaving the EU would be the beginning of the end of the Brussels superstate. Every empire that stops expanding starts collapsing. The UK is essential in Europe as a counterweight to the socialist block (above all France and the south). If Britain leaves and people will see that three years later it hasn't collapsed but flourishes, it will be the irresistible example for all the net payers in the union. The shining city beyond the Channel. The talk of the Euro-fascists along the lines: "Let them leave, so we can move together quicker without the British" will turn out to be out of the "famous last words" category.
There is no referendum for ceasing to be the US' poodle.
All these referendums are bogus and useless, i.e., the results will be falsified anyhow.
To late to consolidate the debt, good bye Brussels
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Overtime for the Diebold programmers?
It seems very possible, perhaps even probable, that the Scottish independence vote was sabotaged, even with paper.
Remember the fuckery surrounding counties that Ron Paul {should have} won outright?
Too late to help Ron Paul. The last election was a Two Party race - the 'One Party' versus Ron Paul. The One Party took him out early and often.
The sad thing is that the welfare state has locked in something like 45% of the electoral votes for the Democrats. The only real battles for the Presidential elections come down to about a half dozen swing states - which the Republicans almost needing a sweep to win the White House. This is why Hillary is hiding. She knows she only needs to fight for about 30 electoral votes. The national polls showing certain percentages are irrelevant. The one poll that would make sense is a percentage in only the six or so swing states - and you can bet Hillary has those numbers.
Which brings me back to the dead horse I've been beating most savagely of late:
What fucking kind of fucking country would vote for Hillary Clinton - or for that matter any of the clowns running for the GOP nod. I keep thinking of one of those George Carlin rants where he talks about not being part of the problem because he doesn't vote, and that instead of blaming the poor quality of politicians, we should consider that we keep voting for the same assholes.
That the US, regardless of the state of the FRN, is in terminal decline seems obvious. What's really troubling, imo, anyway, is that the evil fucks who are most responsible will be the very same taking the lead putting the country back together again.
Order from chaos, and all.
But why give a fuck, why be, for lack of a less shitty phrase, be emotionally invested in a country where most people just go out and vote for Hillary, despite her heinous track record? They vote for Hillary or some equally reprehensible cunt, view 9/11 'truthers' as conspiracy theorists without giving it any thought, buy the neocon narratives as to Iran and Syria and Russia despite being spitting distance time wise from the Iraq debacle and lies, and when they aren't stopped at a red light, refusing to make a right on an empty street, they're worried about how much air was in a football?
I mean, perhaps the country doesn't deserve to be "saved" and the real fight is to not let it be reborn according to the whim of the current 'elite'. That means anticipating and accepting collapse and preparing to box out the people ostensibly most quick to offer solutions....
If I gotta put on glasses to read your shit, it obviously ain't worth the "tappa-tappa" you done to write it.
Fuck it, Fuck your little font, fuck your little mind.... just as if it was all caps.
It wasn't sabotaged, it was bought using those good, old-fashioned values so popular in Chicago....
"the time has come to ask everybody in Europe Yes or No - if they want sovereignty to decide on their own future."
So, the bleaching out of cultural identity & nationality does in fact have a high price tag.
The UN, Brussels and One Worlder's will not be pleased ;-)
I don't know why anybody would ever want to leave the socialist paradise that is the EU.....
"I don't know why anybody would ever want to leave the socialist paradise that is the EU.....'
And if I tell you that the EU is a neoliberal capitalistic hell that has strictly nothing to do with anything even remotely reminiscent of Socialism, do you understand better?
I'm from the EU.
Where is the legion of hedgetards suffering cognitive dissonance that should be posting about how the tyranny of the majority must not be allowed usurp the just rule of President Stupid Face and his brethren?
EU? In & out, in & out, in & out... a long, slow, hard fucking. How many years do they have to live it, to realize it?
Actually the old in-out in and by the EU is addicting. No one wants it to stop except a few "extremists." So, you will see.
"Sovereignity IN .... Muslims OUT !" Europe on 500 Euros a Day
"anti-immigrant" meaning - when Europeans don't wish to become minorities in their own nations via replacement level immigration levels advocated by the NWO/ZWO.
Fixed it.
Bear in mind, UKIP and National Front are bleeding heart liberals compared to the ruling parties in Israel. Yet strangely, Likud and Shas and Jewish Home, which has people that have called for actual genocide and ethnic cleansing, are never pilloried in the press as "anti-immigrant" or "racist".
Curious.
I wonder what Barbara Spectre thinks about all this.
Compared to Meir Kahane, they are pussies.
Netanyahu is relatively moderate in the current Israeli government.
Odd that big players in the EU like the UK and France are looking at getting 'out' while the debt ridden weaklings like Greece and Portugal are fighting to stay 'in'.
The UK will stay in and the chances of staying in are higher the earlier the refendum is held. I'm surprised DC insn't holding it before the year is out.
Yes, tell brussells to fuck off and shove the sdr up their assholes on the way out! Sick to death of this shit.
If the Fed is ever able to/forced to raise rates, EUR/USD will fall well below parity.
A best case scenario would involve organic growth accompanied by slight increases in inflation. In this case, the market is both fairly and fully valued.
A worst case scenario would include a sharp rise in inflation (due to reduced crop yields, rising energy costs, higher housing prices) but no organic growth. In this case, the Fed will be forced to begin raising rates more quickly than had been hoped--bringing stock prices down significantly.
Hello, stagflation. We meet again?
I'm not going to look it up right now but a substantial, even predominant part of "growth" in the past 10 or 12 years, anyway, has been driven by the financial sector.... essentially trading around debt instruments.
That is Potemkin growth. Indeed, long term, it is negative. -$+interest for future purchases at the same or greater price point...
Stagflation, in terms of the real, productive economy, has been around for 15 years, for the most part, at least looking at it this cynically.
Efforts to fight the deflation {certainly disinflation} that should have arisen after the dot com and housing bubbles was in essence an effort to preserve the Potemkin gains of the financial sector, and to protect the corresponding growth in private and public debt.
jmo, very happy to hear if I'm off, or even way off, but at root I think it axiomatic that not all GDP growth or price increases are equal.
Marine Le Pen is a MILF.
Agreed. I take her daughter.
Wow your english vocabulary extends beyond "Throw those pathetic Greeks out of the EU already". I'm impressed Wolferl! Then again in this topic we should all have the right words handy...
Any referendum will be decided by the media. The biased nature of it from the print, and the BBC are highly likely to pull out all the stops for an 'In' vote. Cameron is merely going through the motions because he has to, but is a fully paid up Europhile.
Much of the discussion they want will be about if the UK leaves then it will be economically bad for the UK. Pure horseshit.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3103249/Say-no-scaremongers-refe...
It should be about sovereignty, and the UK will not give it up to join a USoE run by a bunch of Brussel pychopaths.
Can only hope the 'Out' vote wins which is likely to have others like France wanting the same which will pull the whole rotten ediface of the EU down.
The NATO vote is the one to watch.
If France pulled out of NATO that would be a cascading event to behold.
The key is getting Italy and France out of NATO.
Douglas’s letter to Hitler 1939
http://www.alor.org/Library/Douglas%20CH%20-%20Letter%20to%20Herr%20Hitler.pdf
“This employment policy, which is here challenged, is now recognized to be inseparable from the Jewish Financial system.”
What employment policy was Douglas referring to?
“If, however, it is claimed that full employment is a practical requirement of an advancing civilization, it can easily be shown that the contrary is the case. While it is recognized that the present production of armaments in every country has been forced by the general assumption that unemployment is equivalent to economic destruction, it must yet be obvious that the full employment which armaments provide is both temporary and at the same time perhaps the ultimate example of waste and inefficiency.”
The employment policy was for government to create money from nothing, to then make armaments. It the process of making arms, the new “debt free money” that government created, then paid wages. The money funneling into wages could then pay private debts. Private debts were created by “Jewish Finance.”
Private debts occur when the Goy go to a bank and willingly allow themselves to be hypothecated. Banker then gets to hold debt instruments on society. Those debt instruments are often on-sold into a marketplace, which makes people become producing “asset” property. The private credit system, which was fully formed by time of takeover of Bank of England in 1694, is designed to debt spread, a sophisticated form of slavery.
A peculiar kind of mind is OK with the prospect of making others slaves. It has been codified in the Talmud with superiority means, and is evident throughout out history of this people group. Eastern Europe and in particular where Caucasus area flooded after the forth ice ages, is where these Neanderthalic chosenite tribes lived. As noted by anthropologist Alexander Marshack, neanderthal caves have no paintings or beauty, and they enjoyed counting and marking down numbers. Deep under the Black Sea are the old dwellings of this Neanderthalic tribal group, progenitors of the Semitic races. It is quite possible having a lot of Neanderthal genes makes one good at math and strategy, like Chess. It also seems to make a special paranoid type of person who exhibits extreme violence and cunning, and is willing to subordinate entire peoples. This slaver mindset continues to today in the private credit money system of which Douglas was speaking. Today’s Semites, the Khazars, Judaics, and Middle Easterners cannot live amongst themselves – their hairy hands are raised in tribal violence against each other. This is why they desire so greatly to emigrate away from their homelands, and move to high trust Cro-Magnon societies. But, in the course of these semite infiltrations, they destroy their host societies because they cannot help themselves. Civilization cannot exist with peoples who are civilization destroyers.
Not all Semites are psychopaths, but it certainly seems to be a high percentage. Pure Cro’s can also exhibit psychopathy as well, and this problem is growing. Real, high trust consensual society is under attack, and the money system is a means of attack.
It is time to start brain scanning immigrants for these defective genes. You have to let them in, especially if you have lost your sovereignty and are no longer a real country. A real country has its own money.
Most certainly, it is time to eject the defective and parasitical “jewish” money system of which Douglas speaks. WW2 and virtually all modern wars have killed millions due to this psychopathic money system. This same money system (which won WW2) is now subordinating and consolidating Europe under debt spreading means.
www.sovereignmoney.eu
More on the psychosexual maladaptation’s and psychopathy/violence inherent in Neanderthals:
http://www.peuplesawa.com/downloads/459.pdf
Despite all the jiberish you write I can say that I still prefer the outcome of WW2 the way it did, the money system got only destroyed some 25 years later.
Otherwise me as a central European I'd be parading down the streets with my right arm raised up to some painting of a greyish Hitler. I might get downvoted for saying this but to be honest I gladly accept that.
The real decision those in the EZ need to make is whether or not to live within their means. The problem with the Euro is not that it is a bad currency but that governments overspend...period.
Going back to individual currencies only makes the problem worse. At least now there is some discipline. If it is once again up to the Italians, the French and the Greeks they will resume the hyperinflationary ways of the past. Once again we will see the zeros being lopped off the notes and pledges that 'this time we will have strength, we will keep the currency sound.'
The French tried this in the late 90s...1790s. The assignat was followed by the mandat. Both were destroyed in a few years. There were pledges and proclamations. There was 'the backing of the money with church property.' It always fell apart as there was always some new call for spending.
The problem we face today is not so much a problem with the type of money but with ourselves. We the masses are always up for a little new spending, especially for a good cause...and all the causes are good. Socialism is breathing it's last breaths as it dies from hunger. There is no more to feed it. The politicians, at our request, have ruined the paper again.
The solution is to remove savings from the same system that is borrowed and then debauched. Saving in real things allows the saver to observe the insanity of government spending from a distance. The only sum at risk would be the few pieces of currency left over from the last paycheck. Any excess that has been put into saving outside the fiat system can be kept safe.
Gold, if used in physical form only, would fill this role well. The price would rise and then stabilize and float against the fiat of the country in which one spends. If the country behaves, the price of gold will be stable. If the country spends freely the price of gold would rise.
You do not understand the problem. The problem's foundation is the monetary system. It requires debt for money to come into existence. It requires more debt to pay off the old debt and then even more debt to pay of the second debt and so on and so forth until either the wealth has been completely consolidated and the plebs cannot pay their debts or nobody trusts the money and so no longer accept it.
The human behaviors will be there regardless of the system. A debt based system is systematically untenable from the start. Another system, such as free market capitalism, accounts for human behaviors and allows for failure of the individuals while the system simply adapts and flows like water around the problem children.
Edit: Please don't anybody be a shill and mistake consumption for capitalism. They are not the same nor are they related. Consumption is a human behavior that has been turned into a system of debasement and destruction within the overarching centrally planned economy we have today.
Driven by the power that comes with 7 years of QE in a sea of globally ACCEPTED fiat-backed paper currencies, we have reached peak 'big' government. From here, the pendulum swings back to self-determination amongst increasingly homogenous (thought/ethnicity/culture), smaller populations.
What's the catalyst? You cant spend funds you dont have forever. The plunder looted during the past 7 years has flowed to a very few oligarchs who do not have the power (or probably the desire) to keep the system from imploding.
We'll see this in Europe and the US. Looking forward to the Republic of South Carolina!
I cant wait to throw off the FDA-shackles holding back medical innovation, laughing at the EPA's cooked-books and failed policy, and not having 1 cent of taxes support that rotten UN.
Theater for fools.
Not a single one of any of these parties has anything resembling a strategy for confronting the end of growth and prosperity. Rather, their platforms are just assemblages of various ways of denying the end of growth and prosperity, blaming it on nefarious third-party meddling rather than physics and math. The EU will fail all by itself, everyone's wasting their time.
All political parties everywhere are arguing over deck-chair arrangement as the ship floods.
You forget the part where their masters are Davey Jones coming to take us all to his locker.
The US doesn't want to be a part of that group that controls the EU either.
I vote for us leaving the EU. Fuck Brussels. They want to make it like the USA where we all lose our sovereignty.
Madame Le Pen makes lots of sense, so look for a CIA hit on her,.
CIA hit ?
My guess is Le Pen has been co-opted already. What clearer signal do you need than the fact that she already pushed her own father to the side ?
It is not at all unthinkable that Front National is heading for a win, and it seems it has already been made sure that the party is "deradicalized".
Le Pen is mightier than Le sword.
Marine wants power, not self-determination for France. Nobody noticed how thoroughly she threw her own father under the bus? If she can discard her own father like a used tampon, what makes any here think she'll be any more loyal to the French people? Or anything save her own ambition?
somebody on www.lemonde.fr : "Blatter est réélu, pourquoi pas Sarkozy"
( Blatter is re-elected, why not Sarkozy ? )