How The US Indirectly Armed ISIS With Over 2,300 Humvees

Tyler Durden's picture

Curious how and why the US is "boosting" US GDP by selling over $4 billion worth of weapons to Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia, ostensibly to provide these countries with protection against ISIS (the same ISIS, incidentally, which a leaked document last week admitted had been effectively created by the US)?  Simple: by first "losing" a billion dollars worth of Humvees so that, drumroll, ISIS can be the best-armed "terrorist" force in the middle east, a force whose mere presence will demand billions in subsequent military orders from the US military-industrial complex by all those who are threatened by ISIS.

AFP reports that Iraqi security forces lost 2,300 Humvee armored vehicles when ISIS overran the northern city of Mosul, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said on Sunday.

"In the collapse of Mosul, we lost a lot of weapons," Abadi said in an interview with Iraqiya state TV. "We lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul alone."

While the exact price of the vehicles varies depending on how they are armored and equipped, it is clearly a hugely expensive loss that has boosted ISIS's capabilities.

Last year, the State Department approved a possible sale to Iraq of 1,000 Humvees with increased armor, machineguns, grenade launchers, other gear and support that was estimated to cost $579 million.

It is therefore safe to say that 2,300 Humvees would be worth a little over $1 billion: a great investment considering now the US can sell over $4 billion in weapons to countries "terrorized" by those same weapons!

As AFP reminds us, clashes began in Mosul, Iraq's second city, late on June 9, 2014, and Iraqi forces lost it the following day to ISIS, which spearheaded an offensive that overran much of the country's Sunni Arab heartland.

It was as if ISIS came out of nowhere, and nobody - certainly not the infamous NSA that knows everything that happens in the US but "nothing" of what goes on in the world - had a clue. Not one person.

The militants gained ample arms, ammunition and other equipment when multiple Iraqi divisions fell apart in the country's north, abandoning gear and shedding uniforms in their haste to flee.


Iraqi security forces backed by Shiite militias have regained significant ground from ISIS in Diyala and Salaheddin provinces north of Baghdad.


But that momentum was slashed in mid-May when ISIS overran Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, west of Baghdad, where Iraqi forces had held out against militants for more than a year.

Best of all, ISIS is literally the gift that will keep on giving: as the CIA director said earlier today "This is going to be a long fight."

And if the fight ever seems like it is about to end, well... the US will just "give" ISIS another 2,300 Humvess. 

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NoWayJose's picture

Time to invest in a black paint manufacturing plant. That's a lot of Humvees that need painting in the ISIS national color!

knukles's picture

2,300 Humvees in Mosul?  They never had 2,300 fucking soldiers in Mosul.
Let me be first to call bullshit on the obfuscation of HOW they got them.  Not on WHO gave them or WHY.  Just on the Obfuscation.
Think we're fucking stupid!?!?!?!?


PS  This really points out WHY they wanna control the media.  It's because that they can't even come up with a cogent explination anymore.

James_Cole's picture

Yes, the math & logistics aren't working on this one. According to comments on that article there were 30k Iraqi troops and 1k Isis. So if true, how'd the Iraqi troops gtfo of Mosul? Run? Were there more than 2300 humvees sitting around? Something just ain't adding up.

Looking at the scenario slightly more cynically.. Let's say one had a large array of weaponry donated by a benelovent foreign government. Isis shows up woefully mismatched (30k vs. 1k) yet holding boatloads of cash. Sort of explains why the Iraq army is so 'disappointing' lol

"We like, were totally overwhelmed and then their 1k troops stole our 2300 humvees!! They are superbeings!"

0b1knob's picture

2300 figure comes from reliable (yeh sure) Iraeli newpaper accounts.    Other sources place the loss at a few dozen tanks and artillery pieces and about 100 humvees.

James_Cole's picture


From AFP quoted above: "In the collapse of Mosul, we lost a lot of weapons," [[ prime minister ]] Abadi said in an interview with Iraqiya state TV. "We lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul alone."

Seems impossible they could lose that many humvees in a single battle / place. But interesting that he would claim it. 


espirit's picture

Seems logical the Iraqi Armi types would grab their favorite goat and ride out of town.

BlackChicken's picture

If there can be any proof of the US aiding ISIS, there needs to be public executions for those responsible. Better yet, put the whole show on pay-per-view in HD.

We know the MSM is by far too corrupt, bought and paid for, as well as run by special humans to ever uncover anything. This is all a sick joke, but none of us are laughing.

TeamDepends's picture

And to think some ZHers believe ISIS hasn't slipped across our non-existant southern border, foaming at the mouth in anticipation of the go order. Tick tock tick tock. Barry said he would fundamentally change this country. That time he was telling the truth. And by ISIS we mean muslim fanatics, mossad agents, american traitors, and bloodthirsty psychopaths from around the world who will do anything for three hots and a cot.

Son of Loki's picture

The merikan taxpayers are a very generous bunch.

Ignatius's picture

General Motors must just hate this news.

WOAR's picture

They don't have to slip over the southern border, moron. They're already here. We have more Nigerian immigrants than any other country in the world.

If we take so many people from one backwards nation, what makes you think we didn't already import ISIS DIRECTLY?

How else would you explain the Tsarnaev brothers?

Morbid's picture

id also look into orange full body zip up suits.

konputa's picture

Indirectly? I think many of us know the US offered direct, material support and training.

Mr. Bones's picture



Who was fired when we 'accidentally' airdropped them weapons?  Nevermind being fired, who was blamed?

Counterpunch's picture
Counterpunch (not verified) Mr. Bones May 31, 2015 10:57 PM

a most excellent query, Bones.

One some of us asked after 9/11 when those 'incompetent' majors, colonels and generals were not court martialed, some later promoted.





boattrash's picture


It really doesn't make a damn how,

as long as those MIC stock prices stay up.

X_Weatherman's picture


U.S. taxpayers, in the name of patriotism, will be glad to foot the bill for the replacements.

They will eben b e glad to sacrifice their sons and daughters to the “profits above all else” ideology of the U.S. Government.

Handful of Dust's picture

Wait until Barry [indirectly] offers all [full-time] eye-sys members free 2 years of community college at BCC (Bagdad Community College]. Free cell phone [only 200 minutes] and free high speed internet included for all incoming freshmen.

q99x2's picture

This should put an end to any military person's thoughts that they are fighting for America, and not fighting instead to support murdering pedophile banksters.

Brokenarrow's picture

Those black pj's? Are those Gucci? Prada? Maybe we could ship them some iwatches? Our whole fucking economy will soon be selling arms to both sides of all conflicts. The defense contractors are having a ball. This is the scariest time in my life. My instincts tell me something bad is coming our way.

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wendigo (not verified) May 31, 2015 4:13 PM

Kinda wish I could get in on this action. A humvee and an M60 would help me be better prepared. 

boattrash's picture

Wendigo, seems you may be in luck. Tim Glance, who runs Old Grouch Military Surplus recently said that Humvees should start coming available soon, despite Govt. saying years ago that they wouldn't allow that.

(I guess they decided we should be allowed, since they're giving them out like fuckin' rice & beans to the rest of the globe).

As to the M60, well, we should already be well armed.

PS Tim has some good sales going on gear right now, especially packs.

wendigo's picture
wendigo (not verified) boattrash May 31, 2015 4:46 PM


WTFUD's picture

The 'arabs' who were the first slave traders would sell their mother's liver for a profit and the jews would broker the deals. History repeats.

wendigo's picture
wendigo (not verified) WTFUD May 31, 2015 4:22 PM

Hardly the first. Slavery existed way before Arabs did. 

That said, I understand your point. 

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DutchBoy2015 (not verified) May 31, 2015 4:25 PM

Indirectly ,my ass

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DutchBoy2015 (not verified) May 31, 2015 4:26 PM

Report: Netanyahu Promises Talmud Will Be Israeli Law

Netanyahu tells Likud hareidi leader Hebrew calendar will be official calendar of state in new Basic Law, Jewish law basis of legal system.

Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud

Where a Jew Should Do Evil

Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Insults Against Blessed Mary
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young
A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

Jesus in the Talmud:

Horrible Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ

While it is the standard disinformation practice of apologists for the Talmud to deny that it contains any scurrilous references to Jesus Christ, certain Orthodox Jewish organizations are more forthcoming and admit that the Talmud not only mentions Jesus but disparages him (as a sorcerer and a demented sex freak). These orthodox Jewish organizations make this admission perhaps out of the belief that Jewish supremacy is so well-established in the modern world that they need not concern themselves with adverse reactions.

For example, on the website of the Orthodox Jewish Hasidic Lubavitch group--one of the largest in the world--we find the following statement, complete with Talmudic citations:

"The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of 'Jesus the Nazarene':

1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).

2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).

3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

End quote from (Lubavitch website) June 20, 2000.

[Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Lubavitch"Noah's Covenant Website," as it appeared on their website at on June 20, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed].

Let us examine further some of these anti-Christ Talmud passages:

Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."

Kallah 51a."The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a bastard and a son of a niddah.

"They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in the market selling beans.

"He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come.' (eternal life). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.'

"Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart, said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to me.' Consequently the child was both a bastard and the son of a niddah.

"It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."

In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars, the preceding Talmud discussion is actually about Jesus Christ (the bastard boy who "uncovered his head" and was conceived in the filth of menstruation). The boy's adulterous mother in this Talmud story is the mother of Christ, Blessed Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in the Talmud).

"The Editio Princeps of the complete Code of Talmudic Law, Maimonides' Mishneh Torah -- replete not only with the most offensive precepts against all Gentiles but also with explicit attacks on Christianity and on Jesus (after whose name the author adds piously, 'May the name of the wicked perish')... --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21.

"The Talmud contains a few explicit references to Jesus...These references are certainly not complimentary...There seems little doubt that the account of the execution of Jesus on the eve of Passover does refer to the Christian Jesus...The passage in which Jesus' punishment in hell is described also seems to refer to the Christian Jesus. It is a piece of anti-Christian polemic dating from the post-70 CE period..." --Hyam Maccoby, Judaism on Trial, pp. 26-27.

"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.

"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...

"The Hebrew form of the name Jesus--Yeshu--was interpreted as an acronym for the curse, 'may his name and memory be wiped out,' which is used as an extreme form of abuse. In fact, anti-zionist Orthodox Jews (such as Neturey Qarta) sometimes refer to Herzl as 'Herzl Jesus' and I have found in religious zionist writings expressions such as "Nasser Jesus" and more recently 'Arafat Jesus." --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, pp. 97- 98, 118.

Talmud Attacks Christians and Christian Books

Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.

Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") will have no portion in the world to come.

Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.

Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).

Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud

Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix with honey and eat it.

Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.

Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with. On one of his whorehouse romps, Rabbi Eleazar leanred that there was one particular prostitute residing in a whorehouse near the sea, who would receive a bag of money for her services. He took a bag of money and went to her, crossing seven rivers to do so. During their intercourse the prostitute farted. After this the whore told Rabbi Eleazar: "Just as this gas will never return to my anus, Rabbi Eleazar will never get to heaven."

Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."

Gittin 69b. To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."

Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.

Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.

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knukles's picture

So, sounds about as reasonable and forgiving as the Koran.  They're relatives, you know, Sons of Abraham.

Freddie's picture

Already the law of the land in USSA.  All of Congress bows to Bibi and MIC.

Radical Marijuana's picture

All human beings live as entropic pumps of energy flows. All human beings operate robberies through systems of organized lies. Those who are the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence have prevailed. In that context, the Talmud was a book of organize gang rules. Of course, there have been many other collections of rules for organized crime gangs to operate through.

Some of the characteristics of various collections of rules for organized criminal gangs are the degree to which those rules are different for those who are members of that gang, versus those who are not members of that gang. I do not think that there is any reasonable doubt that the currently best organized gangs of criminals, that dominate the world the most, may be described as the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire.

However, in my view, nothing is gained by failing to recognize the deeper reasons for how and why all human civilizations necessarily operate according to the principles and methods of organized crime. Warfare was organized crime on larger and larger scales. Governments developed through the crucible of conflicts, as the surviving military organizations. Those War Kings then made the sovereign states, which the Fraud Kings captured control over, by applying the methods of organized crime to the political processes.

The best organized gangsters have been the banksters. They captured control over the British Empire Centuries ago, and those international banksters also recaptured control over the American government about a Century ago. The obvious social facts are that various sorts of Zionists dominate the Anglo-American Empire, in ways which are not publicly promoted too much, which is why I describe that as being the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire.

However, I REPEAT, nothing sufficient is gained by continuing to rely upon false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals, with respect to the subsequent discussion of those social facts. Human civilizations NECESSARILY operate according to the principles and methods of organized crime. Therefore, it is not surprising to discover that some of the best organized gangs of criminals control governments, which are the biggest forms of organized crime. Rather, IF there were to better solutions, then there would have to develop better organized crime.

From that perspective, I do not denounce the Talmud, and similar sets of organized gang rules for being collections of rules for running an organized crime gang, rather, I do not like how those have become dangerously obsolete sets of rules, which have become runaway criminal insanities. My overall concerns continue to be the development of weapons of mass destruction that have become trillions of times more powerful, during the life time of those still alive today, while none of the politics related to the world being controlled by the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals have yet adapted to that.

In my view, the events on 9/11/2001 were an inside job, false flag attack, which were most probably done by Zionists, in order to blame on Muslims. The War on Terror was deliberately designed to become a runaway self-fulfilling prophesy, which would enable more genocidal wars, as well as to prepare to impose democidal martial law. In that context, my opinion is that the longer term plan regarding the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire driving the creation of groups like ISIS is that is being done to drive conditions to deteriorate so badly that it will become apparently justified to switch gears to start using weapons of mass destruction, in order mass murder hundreds of millions, if not billions of people.

In that context, it would be deliberately induced blowback for that to come home, so that weapons of mass destruction were also deployed in the USA, or other NATO countries, since such events (which might or might not be more false flag attacks) would thereby enable imposing democidal martial law. In my view, those who presume that such blowback would be unintended continue to rely too much upon a mistaken application of Hanlon's Razor, because they can not imagine the degree to which the ruling classes have become criminally insane.

The established social pyramid systems were always based upon being able to back up lies with violence, or enforce frauds. The pyramidion people are those who have been selected to be the best at doing that, while everyone else have adapted to accepting themselves living inside of those systems, which are based upon backing up lies with violence, or enforcing frauds. In that context, various collections of organized gang rules, such as the Talmud, are the psychotic bullshit of bullies, which were selected by the history of warfare to become what they developed to be.

Remember, the oldest book on The Art of War starts by saying "success in war is based on deceit," and ends by saying "spies are the most important soldiers." Those ways of operating successful organized crime gangs were independently rediscovered and developed all over the world, in various cultures, which did not necessarily have any direct relationship to those which developed the historical Talmud, nor to those who became the Zionists who were the more influential in controlling the Anglo-American Empire.

It is quite possible to describe most of human history as the history of deception. During that history, there were different cultural, and more or less genetic groups, that were the best organized gangs of criminals, that controlled the biggest organized crime gangs. However, it my view is a serious mistake to think that there were ever any such groups which were unique or special. Rather, there were tides of history, rising and falling, in which some groups became the best organized criminals, for a while, only to eventually be displaced by some other better organized gang of criminals.

Another generalization that I find applicable is that those who are in the ruling classes, or are the pyramidion people in the social pyramid systems, tend to be able to continue to believe in the most old-fashioned religions and ideologies, which were their preferred kinds of the psychotic bullshit of bullies, which had historically worked the best for them. Meanwhile, it tends to be people lower down in the social pyramid systems who are forced to adapt to changing conditions more, by developing new ideas.

Anyway, the upshot of my reply to your comment, Dutchboy2015, is that I was already familiar with the points you made. HOWEVER, I wonder were you are going with that? Personally, I regard the word "Jew" as very misleading. The same goes for "Zionism." What I am attempting to refer to is what I consider the essence of the situation, which are the ways that human civilizations necessarily operate according to the principles and methods of organized crime, in which context what I mean by "Zionism" is how aspects of that operated as a relatively successful organized crime gang. (As most people realize who study this, not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews.)

Meanwhile, what I am more interested in is NOT the history of who happened to become the best organized gangs of criminals, that could control the biggest forms of organized crime, but rather, how to develop radically different sets of organized gang rules, which might be able to adapt to survive the progress that has been made in physical sciences, which have enabled the development of weapons of mass destruction. My main concerns with respect to the tragic trajectory that ISIS appears to have been set up to be on are that those events are probably prequels to being able to justify the use of weapons of mass destruction, including possible blowback from than hitting home in NATO countries.

My main concerns are that the currently dominant gangs of organized criminals have become far too criminally insane. What is worse is that their degree of social successes at doing that have also enabled them to control most of their opposition. As far as I can tell, ISIS are like wild dogs that are being fed, so that they will become a bigger problem, so that then it will be possible to justify using weapons of mass destruction to mass murder them, and the civilians that surround them. Those doing that do not care too much that that may cause blowback. Instead, that too seems part of their overall longer term plans.

We are living inside of combined money/murder systems, where the debt controls are backed by the death controls. Most of the significant political events for several Centuries have been ways that the international banksters are attempting to consolidate their control over natural resources by being able to control the public "money" supply, as systems of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, which can be traced back to the beginning of Neolithic Civilizations, or, metaphorically speaking, back to Babylon.

However, the industrial revolution has amplified that by orders of magnitude, as the physical steam engines and financial debt engines were developed several Centuries ago, and which then developed to become the currently established systems of globalized electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs, manifesting as the MAD Money As Debt systems, backed by the MAD Mutual Assured Destruction Systems.

Those are more recently being buried deeper under the MUD systems:

Cyber-Attacks Are The New Cold War

"The warfare ideology today is ‘Multilateral Unconstrained Disruption’ (MUD).  This unrestrictive warfare is meant to disrupt societal functioning; to ‘poison’ information to elevate distrust of all computer information."

Obviously, the established systems of MADNESS have NOT actually gone away. The political economy is still based on the enforced frauds of the MAD monetary system, which are still backed up by the MAD military system, HOWEVER, we are now watching more and more MUD thrown around on top of that MADNESS.

In that context, DutchBoy2015, I regard your comments as being a kind of MUD, which takes the form of Lies by Omission, in which you tell parts of the truth, but not enough of the whole story. By that I mean that, while agree with what you stated being mostly correct, it is not put into the overall context that EVERYONE lives through systems of lies operating robberies, because EVERYONE lives as entropic pumps of energy flows.

Furthermore, I am more deeply concerned that we should develop better organized crime, requiring better developed sets of organized gang crime rules be collected and acted upon. I am not concerned so much with the history of who happened to be the best organized and therefore were enabled to control the biggest forms of organized crime gangs. Rather, I am concerned with how it might be possible to develop better organized crime, which could adapt to survive the develop of progress in physical sciences enabling the deployment of weapons of mass destruction. That concern becomes more and more intensely focused the more that the runaway criminal insanities manifesting as the development of ISIS appears to spin out of control (although that happening may well have not been accidental to begin with, but rather parts of a larger, and much more criminally insane plan, whose agenda has been implemented.)

The history of who happened to be the previously best organized gangs of criminals, who therefore were able to control the biggest forms of organized crime, is useful to understand how the absurdities that we are observing now have developed. However, the only genuinely better resolutions to those problems require a deeper analysis of how and why that happened, which then would perhaps enable the development of better organized crime gang rules in the future. Therefore, while I agree with your presentation of some of the previously established best organized crime gangs' collections of rules, I find that to be a useless dead end, unless one then proceeds to learn from that, regarding how to perhaps develop better rules for better organized crime. I regard all of the old-fashioned collections of organized crime gang rules to be like raw ore, that could be smelted into becoming a more refined form. I do not respect any of the old-fashioned organized crime gang rules beyond their potential use to do that, namely, to try to better understand the principles and methods of organized crime, which have actually controlled the development of civilizations.

I REPEAT, because human beings necessarily live as entropic pumps of energy flows, they necessarily operate according to the principles and methods of organized crime. However, since those who were the best at doing that were also the best at lying about what they were really doing, we have ended up living inside of civilizations which are almost totally dominated by the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, which are built into the natural languages that people use to think with and communicate through, as well as built in the presumptions in the commonly accepted philosophy of science.

One abstract way of perceiving that is to recognize that the concept of "entropy" was inverted, by having an arbitrary minus sign inserted into the entropy equations of thermodynamics and information theory, in order that the development of those sciences could be done in ways which would continue to be consistent with the biggest bullies' bullshit world views. Similarly, that is also found in many other ways that the philosophy of science historically compromised with the dominance of the biggest bullies' bullshit world view, which, I REPEAT, had also been built into the basic structure of the dominate natural languages that condition how people perceive the world. Our civilization is based upon promoting relative dualities as being ABSOLUTE DUALITIES. We tend to take for granted a wide range of false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals. That takes many forms, such as the false fundamental dichotomies which are used to define "terrorist," while actually, it tends to be that the biggest terrorists are governments, and the worst terrorists are those who control those governments, but since the best organized criminals and terrorists can control governments, and the mass media, etc., they tend to be able to get away with publicly pretending that they are the "good guys" who are protecting the public from the other "bad guys," which are the only "terrorists."

What I promote is using more UNITARY MECHANISMS, which manifests in the ways that I assert that there are nothing but different organized crime gangs, operating through different systems of organized lies, operating robberies. While I agree that the dominate forms now are the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, and those can be traced back through the history of Neolithic Civilizations, that level of understanding continues to be too superficial.

The general geographical circumstances of the Middle East have driven that area to become the site of the most intense conflicts between different organized crime gangs, and for that to continue to be the places where the most psychotic bullies appear to be engaged in battle royals over their preferred kinds of bullshit. That is extremely disturbing, since the runaway criminal insanities there appear to be providing the conditions which would become most conducive to those switching gears to actually start using weapons of mass destruction, which are trillions of times BIGGER than anything else that was deployed in previous human history.

My basic view is that the ruling classes have become the most runaway forms of criminal insanities, while those that they rule over have adapted to accepting that. However, there are deeper reasons regarding how and why that happened. To respect those deeper reasons requires that one accept how and why the world is dominated by the best organized crime gangs, controlling the biggest forms of organized crime, which are in escalating conflicts with each other. Theoretically speaking, IF the human species is going to survive the progress made in physical science, then there has to be developed progress in political science that surpasses that ... However, such genuine progress in political science ought to be become based upon more appreciation of scientific UNITARY MECHANISMS, which means, in political terms, we stop using false fundamental dichotomies, and their related impossible ideals.

What is happening in the Middle East is merely a more intense form of what is happening everywhere else, which is the manifestation of the dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies. NATO counties, which are dominated by the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire, that in turn are dominated primarily by the international banksters, as the Kings of Fraud, who control the powers of those states, which were originally made and maintained by the War Kings, were simply the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals, who were the biggest terrorist organizations. There is actually nothing else but that, and there cannot actually be anything else but that, since human beings necessarily live as entropic pumps of energy flows, which necessarily match the principles and methods of organized crime. However, what is possible is to perceive that differently, such as understanding how the concept of entropy was inverted, as one of the most abstract examples of how everything else was inverted, by the dominance of the biggest bullies' bullshit world views.

Overall, it does NO GOOD to merely recognize who happens to be the best organized gangs of criminals, controlling the biggest forms of organized crime, unless that enables the development of better organized crime, to control bigger forms of organized crime. At the present time, we are watching the Grand Canyon Paradoxes of progress in physical science, without matching progress in political science. The primary obstacles in the way of doing that are that all the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals tend to get away with asserting that they are not that, but rather, that only their opposition is that. Hence, the almost total dominance of the standard false fundamental dichotomies and related impossible ideals, that only the other groups are "terrorists" or "criminals," when actually everyone is doing basically the same things, and therefore, it tends to be that the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals are the biggest governments, and/or other related forms of countries, corporations and churches, all of which are actually systems of organized lies, operating robberies, and must necessarily be.

What we need to theoretically do is develop ways to better negotiate between the different gangs of organized criminals. Tragically, that is practically impossible at the present time, since every different form of organized crime tends to be dominated by the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, who are not willing or able to admit and address the more radical truths about themselves, but rather, are stuck in the same old ruts of only blaming others for being what they actually also are. In particular, it tends to have always been that the most successful social groups were dominated by those who were the best organized gangs of criminals, who were behaving the most like terrorists, (while, of course, every other groups was doing more or less the same things, only perhaps not so well, or on such a big scale.)

When one digs deeper, one discovers that false flag attacks were extremely common throughout human history. I REPEAT, in my view there is no reasonable doubt whatsoever that 9/11 was an inside job, false flag attack, probably done by Zionists to blame on Muslims. In my view it is imperative to assimilate that, in order to comprehend the history of the Middle East since 2001. However, doing that means that things are way worse there, than one might otherwise have thought, because all of the bad blowback, and apparent ways that things are getting worse, due to the emergence of ISIS, etc., then fit into an overall way worse agenda, or criminally insane plan, based upon the morbid pscyhological and political habits of the current ruling classes, which agenda is mostly accepted and being allowed to be implemented by those who are ruled over.

What it all boils down to is that the debt slavery systems have developed numbers which have become debt insanities, and those are headed towards provoking death insanities. One of the ways that those death insanities are threatening to manifest is by various conflicts around the world switching gears by weapons of mass destruction being more significantly used. Behind that, on a deeper level still, is that there must necessarily be some death control systems, which were always central to natural selection, after life developed, and which were always central to the human systems of artificial selection, after those developed. However, the human systems of artificial selection are now based upon the history of successful warfare being based upon deceits and treacheries, so that the actual human murder systems developed to be done through those becoming based on the maximum possible dishonesties.

The conflicts in the Middle East have developed through the history of Neolithic Civilizations to become the most intense of all the examples of different organized crime gangs in conflict with each other, in ways which are the most criminally insane, and which therefore prevent there being any other negotiations of more rational compromises. Moreover, thousands of years of the development of the best murder systems operating death controls being done in the most deceitful ways, whereafter, there developed controlled opposition groups around those central organized crime gangs, means that in the Middle East it is the most politically impossible to negotiate any genuine peace processes.

Indeed, given the degree to which the Middle East has development the most psychotic bullies' bullshit, that areas appears fated to have the worse manifestations of psychotic breakdowns and mad self-destruction, which unfortunately will surely have serious repercussions all around the world, including some serious blowback, including weapons of mass destruction being used in NATO countries, in ways that may or may not be more false flag attacks, which may well never be possible to discover after that happens.

Overall, in my view, there is not much benefit in "the pot calling the kettle black." There is not much benefit in correctly stating the social facts about how the different kinds of dominate social and political groups are the expressions of the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals operating through them. Rather, there would only be some possible benefit from going through that process to arrive at developing better organized crime gang rules, so that there could be developed better combined money/murder systems. Theoretically speaking, since there ACTUALLY EXIST globalized systems of electronic frauds, backed the threat of force from atomic bombs, the politics that attempts to cope with that EXISTING should be developed in ways which become more consistent with the physical science that enabled that kind of electronic and atomic technology to be accomplished ...

BUT, BUT, BUT, that requires profound paradigm shifts in the ways that we perceive political problems, that stop relying upon DUALITIES, while we start more to use UNITARY MECHANISMS. In particular, in order to understand what has been happening in the Middle East since 2001, one must face the facts that the events on 9/11/2001 were an inside job, false flag attack, whereby the best organized actual terrorists were able to blame others for being terrorists, in order to drive a vicious spiral of more and more terrorism to go out of control, which all appears to have been deliberately done, by people who have become criminally insane, but which nevertheless previously developed to become the ruling classes that are controlling civilization, while most of those they rule over have adapted to accept that, and so, to allow those huge lies to continue to control future events.

What we are forced to confront are that there must necessarily be some death control systems, while that those murders systems based on the maximum possible deceits and treacheries being amplified to astronomical sizes by the development of weapons of mass destruction has made every aspect of Neolithic Civilization become runaway criminal insanities, whereby their continued social successfulness through backing up deceits with destruction, and enforcing frauds, threatens to have the human species thereby commit collective suicide.

However, after more fully facing those facts, the only genuine resolutions to those real problems actually require developing better organized crime, which follows better organized crime gang rules. That is how and why merely denouncing any other collection of old-fashioned, historically developed, organized crime gang rules is NOT good enough, but rather, is just another dead end, if it stops there.

The kinds of paradigm shifts in the ways that we perceive political problems should be even greater than the kinds of paradigm shifts that were already achieved in physical science, that enabled the development of technologies like electronics and atomic energy. Tragically, at the present time, the real world of politics continues to be almost totally dominated by old-fashioned religions and ideologies, which have access to weapons of mass destrutction, while they deliberately do not want to understand those weapons, but rather, only want to use those weapons according to their old-fashioned ideas, which are constantly becoming more criminally insane every day. We are more and more faced with the INTENSE PARADOXES that warfare was the oldest and best developed social science and social eningeering, whose successes were based upon being as deceitful as possible about what it was really doing. Moreover, then economics developed inside of that, as a subset of warfare, because the production of destruction controlled production.

We are watching the INTENSE PARADOXES of progress in physical science, without progress in political science get worse, faster, at an exponentially accelerating rate, while the original source of that, with Neolithic Civilizations advancing the most out of the Middle East, to spread all over the world, as the most dominate systems, which then have returned home, to make the Middle East become what it is today ... Hence, the Middle East continues to be the place that is most on the path towards having events shift gears to the significant uses of weapons of mass destruction, with the blowback from that then also spreading all over the world.

In the meantime, theoretically speaking, what we most need to do is to go through intellectual scientific revolutions that apply to militarism, in order to change the human murder systems, and radically change the basic ways that we perceive the human death control systems. What is happening in the Middle East today, especially with regard to the recent emergence of ISIS, is due to the ruling classes that dominate NATO countries in general, and the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire in particular, carrying through their criminally insane agenda, due to their morbid psycholigical and political habits, while those they rule over are not able and willing to do anything to effectively stop that. We are drowning deeper and deeper in the psychotic bullshit of the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, which are provoking more and more serious abreactions from the alternative forms of organize crime gangs, promoting their own versions of their biggest bullies' bullshit social stories ... Meanwhile, more radical truths about any other that continues to be a Fringe Cubed position, perceived by a vanishingly small percentage of the population ...

Of course, it is a gross understatement to assert that "This is going to be a long fight." The Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire directly and indirectly did almost everything to create the conditions in the Middle East that has produced ISIS. Furthermore, in my view it is almost impossible to underestimate the degree to which the most dominant organized crime gangs, controlled the biggest forms of organized crime, which were always the worst terrorists, that provoked the most terrorism, are also more criminally insane that is possible to fully comphrehend. Without some series of political miracles, then the paths we are on now lead towards the mass murder of the majority of the human population within the next few Centuries, or less. To express that more intensely, unless we could develop better organized crime, that was able to survive the existence of weapons of mass destruction, then the old-fashioned forms of organized crime that are dominating civilization at the present time, are not going to be able to survive the contadictions driven by progress in physical science, without progress in political science.

Although it is theoretically possible that there could be progress in political science, pretty well all of the different kinds of dominate organized crime gangs around the world today would not like those radical truths to be admitted and addressed, nor would the majority of people who have been brainwashed to believe in those kinds of bullies' bullshit like to have to go through the extreme cognitive dissonance that it would take for them to face the more radical truths.

It merely begins to scratch the surface of the problems to understand that the events on 9/11/2001 were an inside job, false flag attack, probably done by Zionists in order to blame on Muslims, in order to get the War on Terror started, so that could automatically then be driven to get worse, faster, as demonstrated by the emergence of ISIS. When one embarks on that path of understanding human history as the history of deception, in which everything happened in ways which were controlled by the principles and methods of organized crime, the resulting conclusions are far worse than those which one merely gets from presuming upon Hanlon's Razor, that the rise and arming of ISIS was due to incompetence and stupidity, rather than due to an overall malicious plan being implemented, that expresses magnitudes of criminal insanity too extreme to be fully imagined.

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Counterpunch (not verified) Radical Marijuana May 31, 2015 11:00 PM

Much of this is off point.  Much of it nonsense.

Go ahead, sit down, and read Deuteronomy.  That is Judaism - Torah.

Now, go ahead and ask yourself what would happen if a disproportionately powerful, transnational, highly ethnocentric ethnoreligious group had a large minority that took it literally.


Sometimes it's a struggle to see what's right in front of your eyes. 

Read Deuteronomy.

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Counterpunch, I have read those things you recommend once, long ago, at least in some English translation. Of course, I HAVE ASKED "what would happen if a disproportionately powerful, transnational, highly ethnocentric ethnoreligious group had a large minority that took it literally."

However, Counterpunch, you fail to recognize my central point, which is the history of progress in physical sciences, that enabled the development of weapons of mass destruction, that are trillions of times more powerful than any weapons that ever existed before in human history.

What I was doing in my comment above was attempting to apply the modes of thinking developed during the history of science, especially with respect to profound scientific paradigm shifts, that enabled real progress in physical science (which then enabled the technologies of atomic bombs, et alia,) to political science in general, and the political problems in the Middle East in particular.

None of that is "off point" nor is "nonsense." Rather my comment was all about how and why that REAL PROGRESS IN PHYSICAL SCIENCE, WITHOUT MATCHING PROGRESS IN POLITICAL SCIENCE, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE!

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I'm actually replying to your previous post, which I'm 1/2 through but skipped down. That's a lot to digest. So:


UNITARY MECHANISMS, which means, in political terms, we stop using false fundamental dichotomies, 

What does that mean?  

Now I finish dinner and read some more. Thanks for you being willing and generous to elaborate on all your points. You're quite prolific.




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This is a good point.


What we need to theoretically do is develop ways to better negotiate between the different gangs of organized criminals. 


Currently a situation I find myself in.

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gswifty, thanks for appreciating my posts on Zero Hedge.

I have responded several times previously in more detail to other people who have asked the same question as you did, gswifty, and I tended to collect a lot of the stuff that I posted here on my own Web site's English language discussion forum thread: Some Monetary System articles.

Anyone who was motivated to bother to try to wade through that material could download that long thread of posts, and then search through those for "unitary mechanism" or other concepts like "death control" in order to discover more about those phrases, and what I am attempting to communicate using those phrases.

I am planning to eventually copy my comments above on Zero Hedge onto my thread regarding 9/11. (As time has passed, and I learned more about these issues, I have discovered more and more that those 2 forum threads overlapped.)

Given that there are basically social pyramid systems, both the money systems and the murder systems tend to converge at the top of those social pyramids. Although, at the lower levels, those are compartmentalized, at the higher levels there appears to be relatively small groups of the pyramidion people, operating the combined money/murder systems, so that the debt slavery is backed by wars based on deceits.

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Good argument DoucheBag2015, nice and short.

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Counterpunch (not verified) DutchBoy2015 May 31, 2015 11:17 PM

11, so far, junks.


What are they downvoting, exactly - do they even know?

Those who aren't merely Pavolovian Hasbara trolls are downvoting the ugly truth about portions of the Talmud.  No one even bothered to claim that there were 'mistranslations' or some other apologetic  {some of which may be true.}


It's the same reason these assholes, who have lost the plot, would downvote Ben Stein's article about Jews running Hollywood - if a non-Jew wrote it.


Jews Boast of Owning Hollywood—But Slam Gentiles Who Say the ... The controversy over the Oscars joke that Jews run Hollywood ...


Note, too, that from the ADL's outright lie about this being a "canard" - speaking of Jewish power is not per se racism, no matter how much the ADL et al. say it is. 


Also note that the real point is Jews have *kept* Hollywood controlled by Jews for decades - deliberately.  And it stands to reason they have used similar tactics to keep the ivys disproportionately jewish and jewish run, and donations o get disproportionate jewish appontments in Treasury, and State, and the Executive, etc. etc.


Judaism, at its core, simply and obviously is Supremacist and megalomaniacal. Doesn't mean atheist or reform Jews buy into the uglier bits, but the Orthodox and to extent Conservative Jews do.  As in a secular way the Likudniks do.


Anyway, you have no reason to give a single fuck about my opinion on the matter, but fwiw, that noahide site, and I've seen it before, is the best weapon by far.  You can quote the Talmud and use reliable translations and search for Jewish apologetics and try to be honest, and people will still try to use what is a kind of black magic, the word "anti-semite"  {it is a magickal word, in the chaos magick sense, another way of thinking about cognitive psych really} to make it seems as if it is anti-jewish hate to discuss the hatred of jews for non-jews as memorialized in texts written by jews and revered as "sacred" {sic} by {some of} them.


But Chabad - they are a gift from the gods.  Their Jewish Supremacism is naked and pure.


Point is, you waste your time here.  You want to do the most damage in the Long War, you troll Christian Zionists and Evangelicals and you just point them to that site and similar. 


You just say - you decide, are you with the Orthodox Jews and Zionists, or are you with The Christ?

They will be made to choose sooner or later, anyway.


{"The Christ" and never Jesus or 'Yeshua' - "The Christ" is a very highly magickal term}.


The only other thing I'd say is, if you list 5 quotes, say, from the Talmud, but there's a pretty good sounding, even if not 'true' defense or apologia for what sounds horrid - your other 4 are immediately forfeit even if there is no sound defense.  There are times where something is in fact out of context, but manytimes not.


you may want to poke around the site.



youtube, blogs, infowars, drudge, fb, wherever Christian Zionists gather, or wherever the fake Christian Jewish "Yeshua" crowd gathers.  They are largely just Jews faking a surface christianity and don't matter, but Some, even a majority of the Christian Zionists are at core Christian.



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“kill them… arrest them… all of them”

So say quite a few who comment on this site.

Of course, it’s probably the worst thing to do – if their cause is the rights of man, that is.

On the other hand, if their cause is the imposition of tyranny, “kill them” is probably the best action possible; for, it gives Judeo-Bolsheviks (JB’s) an acceptable excuse to impose martial law… and smear the cause of man.  What else should we expect from JB’s?  They have been destroying civilizations for at least 5,000 years.  For them, false flags are routine operations; using slow-witted dupes is another specialty they have developed to a high art form.

In other words, he who proposes executing government-protected assassins and thieves is doing the work of Judeo-Bolsheviks (JB’s).

It doesn’t matter whether he is an unwitting dupe or a conscious counter-intelligence operative – the result is always the same: an excuse for more tyranny; some call it “martial law”.

It happens repeatedly: JB’s 1) lead slow-witted and angry peasants onto streets, block traffic (that is, violate rights of non-protesters); 2) incite peasants to more violence; 3) when police begin shooting, JB’s disappear; 4) peasants take bullets (Did I say, ‘slow-witted’?); and 5) martial law, or soldiers, follow.

No, if our cause is liberty, we don’t want to execute them.

There are at least five reasons.

One: we don’t want to become like them: execution without due process.

Two: it would put them out of their misery too quickly; it is more pleasing to prolong it as long as possible.

Three: instead, we should recover the booty they took and return it to those from whom it was wrongly taken: for example, taxes wrongly imposed or collected (one); the neglect and abuse of children compelled by such taxes (two); among many others.  There are tens of trillions floating around the world (three) in various forms – accounts, stocks, bonds, real property – available for recovery.

Four: it would be a pleasure to watch JB’s and their useful idiots scatter as cornered rats as we make them accountable for what they did.

Five: it would lay the foundation for an unprecedented experiment in liberty; for, none other attempted to make tyrants accountable – only to escape them.

We will be the first in this regard; for, we have resources available to us that no one else in prior ages had: a) a heavily armed population (also, heavily medicated, see this for cure,) b) instant communication, and c)lessons of prior ages to guide us.

Unfortunately, while most Americans are aware of resources a) and b), hardly any are aware of the last… or how to cure a medicated lethargy.

And without this last resource, all will be for naught, actually worse… much worse; for, how can you play the game if you don’t know the rules (law and procedures of redress)?

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US can sell over $4 billion in weapons to countries "terrorized" by those same weapons!

Not to worry -Netanyahu is set to boost the US economy:

Netanyahu demands ‘up to $45 bn’ in US military aid to deter Iran, Gulf States

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Or directly armed "ISIS."  At this point, what difference does it make?

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As long as Israel made their 4x markup on the sale, who cares.


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tony wilson and saturn zion devils (not verified) May 31, 2015 5:21 PM

tell me
is it not so.

on your knees
it will not save
but hay ho
it's so much fun.
look upon the sub jewgation
the pleadings and the offers of tribute.
for the race that is not a race
but just a khazarian semen stain dream.

the role is clear though
in zion
clean lines saturn cube on rabbi head.
satan needs henchmen muscle
for energy and the
harvesting of souls.
church of england church catholica rome all masonic built
all bend worship satan now
maybe it was always so.
who nose

isis such an islamic name
yes no