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NSA Surveillance To Lapse At Midnight Although Extension Imminent With Obama's Signature

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“This is a debate over the Bill of Rights," exclaimed Rand Paul before this evening's rare Sunday Senate vote which secured NSA Reform (but leaves a brief window of NSA shutdown before Obama signs the bill), adding, now seemingly falling on the most-bribed and deafest ears, that "this is a debate over the Fourth Amendment. This is a debate over your right to be left alone.”

In two speeches (one before the vote and one after), Paul implored reason among his colleagues.

Following John McCain's jab that "the senator from Kentucky needs to learn the rules of the Senate,” Paul raged "are we going to so blithely give up our freedom? Are we going to so blindly go along and take it?" The short answer, yes! The longer answer may well be summed up his defiant comment that “I’m not going to take it anymore,” and with his voice rising to a shout, "I don’t think the American people are going to take it anymore."

So rest easy America... you're safe again!

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As The Hill reports, The Senate voted on Sunday to advance legislation reforming National Security Agency surveillance programs in a 77-17 vote...

The bipartisan approval sets up a vote on final passage that will send the legislation to the White House, where President Obama has vowed to sign it. Sixty votes were needed to move forward.

 

But the legislation will not reach Obama’s desk until after midnight, when Patriot Act provisions authorizing the NSA programs expire.

 

That means there will be a lapse of the programs until the Senate can take a final vote on the legislation.

 

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who has made the spying programs unearthed by former government contractor Edward Snowden a central part of his presidential candidacy, has vowed to force the expiration of the Patriot Act.

 

Paul argues the USA Freedom Act approved by the House does not go far enough to rein in spying programs that he and his allies argue are unconstitutional.

 

“Are we going to so blithely give up our freedom? Are we going to so blindly go along and take it?” Paul said in heated remarks on the Senate floor before the vote. 

 

“I’m not going to take it anymore,” he declared, as his voice rose to a shout. “I don’t think the American people are going to take it anymore.”

 

Paul’s comments came during a rare Sunday session of the Senate that was scheduled because of the deadline.

 

Tensions between Paul and other Senate Republicans were evident throughout Sunday’s proceedings — particularly when the Kentucky Republican sought to speak in opposition to the bill when Sens. Dan Coates (R-Ind.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) were holding the floor.

 

“The senator from Kentucky needs to learn the rules of the Senate,” McCain said. “Maybe the senator from Kentucky should know the rules of the Senate.”

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Here is the "defense" for continued bulk surveillance...

“He obviously has a higher priority for his fundraising and political ambitions than for the security of the nation,” Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.) said of Mr. Paul on Sunday.

Perhaps this will help explain McCain's anger...
 

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Rand Speech 1 (before the vote)

 

Speech 2 (post vote)

"Some of the people here hope there is an attack on the United States so they can blame it on me"

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This is already being spun as 'victory' for Obama by the mainstream media...

The Senate on Sunday advanced legislation ending the National Security Agency’s collection of millions of Americans’ telephone records in a key test vote, setting up its passage later this week, in a reversal for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) and a victory for the White House.  

 

The National Security Agency began shutting down the bulk-data collection program Sunday afternoon, administration officials said. The program would be dormant at midnight and take a day to reboot after President Barack Obama signed legislation authorizing it, officials said. 

But, as Rand Paul exclaimed

"The Patriot Act will expire tonight but they will ultimately get their way... But if you go into the general public you will find that over 80% of people over ago 40 think that the government collecting your phone records is wrong and shouldn't occur"

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So tonight for the first time in over a decade, iPhones will not be auto-backup'd to the NSA...

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We note that NBC News reports, thousands of sites are blocking Congress from viewing their webpages in an online demonstration against data-collection provisions of the Patriot Act.

 

The websites — nearly 15,000 of them as of Saturday morning — are redirecting computers from Congress to BlackOutCongress.org, where users are greeted with a stark black and white warning that reads, "We are blocking your access until you end mass surveillance laws."

 

"You have conducted mass surveillance of everyone illegally and are now on record for trying to enact those programs into law," the warning continues. "You have presented Americans with the false dichotomy of reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act or passing the USA Freedom Act. The real answer is to end all authorities used to conduct mass surveillance."

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Edward Snowden perhaps summed it all up best for the nonchalant Americans watching Dance Moms...

 

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Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:07 | 6150407 philipat
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And, of course, there are other "Secret interpretations of secret laws". The infamous "Unknown unknowns"!!

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:11 | 6150421 two hoots
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To all terrorist:  "Don't fuck with our freedoms"

To all politicians and carrer civil servants:   "Don't fuck with our freedoms"

 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:13 | 6150429 NoDebt
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My God, think of all the terrorists that will sneak in during those brief hours when the NSA can't protect us any more.  I predict the streets will be abaze by the morning.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:31 | 6150453 Richard Chesler
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Hahaha, Obozo's lying mouth will be dragged out of some bankster's cock to sign this crap regardless what time it is. It's why they bought the flaming faggot puppet in the first place.

 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:38 | 6150482 Looney
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"are we going to so blithely give up our freedom?”

 

Oh yes, you are! Indeed, you have!

Blythe Masters

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 23:21 | 6150823 Four chan
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snowden 2016

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 01:29 | 6150998 The Juggernaut
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If anyone needed to be left behind in Vietnam... It should have been john mccain

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:08 | 6150546 stant
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Thanks for the effort Mr Paul

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:36 | 6150613 allgoodmen
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He's still on the list of the 100 Worst Senators, but he's not near the top

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 22:53 | 6150778 NeedtoSecede
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Maybe a tip of the hat to E. Snowden too...

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 23:19 | 6150817 Sages wife
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I have always hoped that he is a trojan horse. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 23:31 | 6150837 bluez
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Post Liberation Society Has Exposed The Info-Serfs To Gross Info-Inequity With The Info-Lords

Post liberation society has exposed the info-serfs to gross info-inequity with the info-lords. They can listen to all of our phone calls. Nearly every picture, mp3 audio, video recording, etc. contains hidden “steganographic” data about where it was taken (via GPS), the device's media access codes (telling where it was bought, often with credit card info, etc.). Just posting a photo with hidden personal info on the Internet can let “certain people” know everything about you! The info-lords know everything, while their activities are totally hidden from the info-serfs by security clearance secrecy.

Go to any Walmart anywhere; look up; see 300 video cameras, of course. You are going to be recorded by at least five of them at any given time in there, and you damn well know it. Or go serf-walking down Main Street; in many, many cities and towns you are now subject to being an observee to the info-lords. And you know it; you are an info-serf on a technotronic plantation.

Indeed, welcome to the mass observation culture, where an eleet ruling patrician observer class oversees the submissive subordinate observee class.

The wealthy info-eleet will be entertained by the spectacle of our misery. The relationship will be non-reciprocal with no info-equity at all. All information about the wealthy info-eleet will be classified Top Secret, and censored by the mediums that they control. so the info-pleb observees will never be allowed to know what the eleet are doing and enjoying.

So what are we waiting for? let’s even the score. Let’s outlaw all those cameras at Walmart and on city streets. Hire a few of us peasants to watch over things. Prices will go up a little, but very little. How much is it worth to you to be out of sight of the super-rich info-lords and their deputies, and not be an info-whore?

While we’re at it, lets demand info-equity! Lets demand that every room in the White House, and in every police station, everywhere, should have a camera and microphone, and that we should all be able to watch them all the time on TV. Why not? What good are their precious secrets? Did the protect us from 9/11? No. Did they protect us from the Boston Marathon bombing? No. It's a complete joke; their secrets can’t protect us from anything, and they are just too busy cashing in on their corruption to be bothered with our welfare anyway. They don’t need or want to protect us.

They’re too busy cashing in on their constant corruption to be bothered anyway.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 10:26 | 6151661 Tarzan
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"While we’re at it, lets demand info-equity! Lets demand that every room in the White House, and in every police station, everywhere, should have a camera and microphone, and that we should all be able to watch them all the time on TV"

This truly is the only hope we have, exposing the secrets of the elite!

allegedly this is already US law in congress.

The Government in the Sunshine Act (Pub.L. 94–409, 90 Stat. 1241, enacted September 13, 1976)

"The Sunshine Act provides, with ten specified exemptions, that 'every portion of every meeting of an agency shall be open to public observation.' 5 U.S.C. 552b

The problem is the ten exemptions have neutered the law and less is known about the dealings of congress and the laws they pass then ever before.  The only way to stop these mad men is to expose them and their lies for all to see. The same for corporate rats buying politicians and their monopolies.  They know everything about us and we know little about them.  We parish for a lack of knowledge.

1 Corinthians 13:12  ....then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

This is the promise, that in the end our eyes will be opened, that we will no longer be subject to deception, that from the least of us to the top we'll have the same understanding and those who've prospered by lies and deception will be exposed for the worms they are!  Wicked rulers will be cut down and peace will come when our eyes are opened and our wicked rulers and their plots against us are exposed and laid low. 

Isaiah 14:5-8  The Lord has broken the rod of the wicked,  the scepter of the rulers,  which in anger struck down peoples with unceasing blows,  and in fury subdued nations with relentless aggression.  All the lands are at rest and at peace;  they break into singing.  Even the junipers and the cedars of Lebanon  gloat over you and say,  “Now that you have been laid low,  no one comes to cut us down.”

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:09 | 6150410 localsavage
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McCain is a POS traitor.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:31 | 6150477 cherry picker
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He recieved almost half a billion from the cartel.  For a measly senator's position?

Where is the fucking Justice Department?  Too busy choking to death cigarette vendors in NYC.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:49 | 6150510 NoPension
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Busy with soccer. Get your priorities straight.

Free John Corzine.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:36 | 6150485 SoilMyselfRotten
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He's one of 77 POS traitors, he's just douchier than most

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:22 | 6150583 Hail Spode
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McCain makes snotty remark about Paul needs to learn the rules of the Seante. McCain is shredding the Constitution, but he sure wants to uphold those Senate Rules faithfully!

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 11:22 | 6151791 XitSam
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McCain needs to get some Harry Reid treatment and retire.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:25 | 6150591 RichardParker
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Now I understand why The North Vietnamese released McCain.  The GM of The "Hanoi Hilton" is probably laughing his ass off right now.  

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:09 | 6150411 Gamma735
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The oligarchs and thier political whores should all rot in hell.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:09 | 6150413 wendigo
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Doesn't matter. Once they entrench themselves, only nukes will get them to move. Maybe not even that. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:10 | 6150418 Jack of All Trades
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:12 | 6150422 gdiamond22
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Fuck you John McCain.

For some strange reason I tortured myself watching the Sunday shows today and everyone had the same talking points "we've never faced a more crucial time for threats against this country than right now"

Really? Will we ever not face a threat? When do you actually declare victory on the war on terrorism?

If I had to bet the war on terrorism will be as successful as our 50 year war on drugs and poverty - ongoing and will only get worse.

We have more to fear from our government than we do from some lone-wolf cave dwelling camel.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:53 | 6150520 NoPension
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Any idea how much money the Cabal is making off this fear?

It's all about the money.

99% of our defense would be well served by letting the population honor the 2nd Ammendment. That includes the police.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:12 | 6150425 q99x2
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He can sign anything he wants to sign. Crazy people have been signing bad checks for centuries. They all end up in prison or asylums.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:15 | 6150433 cherry picker
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John McCain is used to being a prisoner.  He doesn't know what Freedom is. 

I wonder if he Napalmed women and kids in Viet Nam, he was a pilot wasn't he?

 

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 01:51 | 6151019 Gold Eyed Cat
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He was a pilot that killed 100+ of his own shipmates aboard the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in 1967, but got away with it because of his father's rank.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 09:14 | 6151448 forexskin
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much as i despise mccain, he was in his aircraft near the receiving end of a zuni rocket fired from another on deck aircraft accidentally. many old 1000 lb bombs cooked off in the resulting jp-5 jet fuel fire.

the truth matters, or we're no better than them.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 13:26 | 6152154 Gold Eyed Cat
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Nice scrubbing of history there Forexskin. Here's the truth.

Eye witness accounts given by crewmen aboard the Forrestal say that McCain deliberately “wet-started” his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. “Wet-starts”, done either deliberately or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.

In McCain’s case, the “wet-start” apparently “cooked off” and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions and massive fire. The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration. “Wet starting” was apparently a common practice among young “hot-dog” pilots.

WMR has also been informed by knowledgeable sources, including an ex-Navy A-4 pilot, the “wet-start game” was a common occurrence. However, it is between “very unlikely” and “impossible” for the Forrestal “wet start” to have been accidental. “Wet starts” were later rendered impossible by automated engine controls.

(At the time of the Forrestal disaster, McCain’s father, Admiral John McCain, Jr., was Commander-in-Chief of US Naval Forces Europe.  He already had lots of practice in deceit, corruption and intimidating people in order to subvert the truth.  He was responsible for covering up the details of the deadly and pre-meditated June 8, 1967, Israeli attack on the NSA spy ship, the USS Liberty.)  

In total he had 5 crashes and lost 4 planes.

A Navy investigation found McCain's first crash was due to pilot error, and not, as McCain has stated, an engine failure He lied.  His second crash was declared an engine failure of an "undetermined cause"  His third crash was on the deck of the carrier USS Forrestal.  In a fourth flight accident (that did not result in the loss of the aircraft) McCain admitted to "daredevil clowning" but returned safely.  And of course a plane was lost when he was shot down over North Vietnam on a bombing mission over Hanoi.

 

 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:15 | 6150435 ghostzapper
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Paul needs to completely sever ties with Israel to convince me he's not just the Cabal's controlled opposition.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:17 | 6150443 besnook
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he can't until after the election and if he does then as president he will be arranging his own funeral.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 11:30 | 6151824 XitSam
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If he did, would you really be convinced or accuse him of having secret ties?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:17 | 6150436 ebworthen
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Of course it passed, the U.S. CONgress works for the banks and the Military Industrial Complex.

I'm sure they called it the "Patriotic Freedom Bill to Strengthen The Constitution" or something which is the exact opposite of what it means - so that on the Nightly News and National Proletariat Radio they can read the title of the bill - and the sheeple can go back to somnolent grass chewing and bleating at each other.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 00:33 | 6150935 Dexter Morgan
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They take care of themselves and their whore banksters and contractors, no us.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:16 | 6150438 Jack of All Trades
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Rand Paul!!

Mitch the "Gobbler" McConnell

 

Which Senator from Kentucky is the only one who actually has balls?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:32 | 6150476 Kirk2NCC1701
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Rand Paul voted FOR fast-tracking the TPP.

To quote Zappa... "Don't fool yourself, it's going right up your poop chute... I knew you'd be surprised"

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:04 | 6150539 jimfcarroll
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I believe you are incorrect. He voted against "fast-tracking" but he appears to have voted for the TPP itself.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:16 | 6150439 besnook
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if you are above the law then the laws that are passed don't apply to you so you don't care what is passed as long as it is asked for by the right people.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:19 | 6150446 Dr. Engali
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Does anybody really believe these fuckers will ever stop eavesdropping? Anybody? No? Yeah neither do I. It's fucking embarrassing to know that Coates "represents" my state in the senate. Traitorous cock sucker.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:30 | 6150474 Oldwood
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Exactly.

The only thing the "law" does is allow them the legal legitimacy to use this data against American citizens.

The reality is that as the only "legal" source of such information, they basically award themselves irrefutable proof in a court of law. They can present ANYTHING and NO ONE has any legitimate defense. If they say you did it, and present the "proof" to a judge...you are toast.

Single source justice, and in most cases of national security, you are not even allowed to see the evidence.

Even in the most non corrupt government we could imagine, we can only also imagine all the ways this could go horribly wrong.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 23:08 | 6150809 wisefool
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You ask the impossible, I give you the Internal Revenue Service. 80,000 pages developed buy papa bush, the amature hillibillies, newt "3 wives 35%" gingrich and a pervert wrestling coach from illinois.

They are also working aparently at noon tommorow on an NSA spending bill. I really hope they talk about 911.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 00:31 | 6150932 JuliaS
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Before Snowden nobody even knew the acronym NSA. The hatred was directed towards FBI, CIA, FSA. If NSA disappears, another 3 letter agency will fill in the gap. They're not the only spy agency this country has.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 00:41 | 6150948 RaceToTheBottom
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NSA has outsourced the data analysis to israel, who are not bound by the rules/laws

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:20 | 6150451 besnook
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the good thing about all this we have no more rights so the ttttttuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrriiiiiissssssssttttttttttsssss have no more freedoms to hate us for.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:22 | 6150458 fremannx
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The Right Livelihood winner is a true patriot... 

http://www.globaldeflationnews.com/edward-snowden-wins-another-award-swe...

 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:24 | 6150463 cherry picker
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In the old days people moved to other countries to escape tyranny.

That is always an option.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:32 | 6150480 Oldwood
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In case you hadn't noticed. there are few less fucked than America, and its reach is international given their involvement in foreign banks and soccer.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:17 | 6150563 Kirk2NCC1701
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In the old days...

Sweden did not seek extradition of an Aussie guy for having sex with two Swedish chicks,

Switzerland was Neutral, had Banking Secrets, had gold, and would not extradite soccer bosses for bribery allegations.  Hell, Switzerland was BUILT on corrupt, dirty, bloody, stolen money. 

In the old days...

Saddam was our friend, when Rumsfeld, Bush and Reagan provided him Chem WMDs to attack Iran,

You used to be able to walk up to a Congressman or Senator but not bribe them.  Now the reverse is true.

Moral: WHEN GOOD PEOPLE REMAIN QUIET, EVIL PROSPERS. 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 23:32 | 6150841 Shitgum Suicide
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Cherry Picker- "In the old days people moved to other countries to escape tyranny.

That WAS always an option.

Fixed that for ya! No thanks necessary

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:32 | 6150481 nmewn
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Snowdens quote deserves the full context of what he meant, at least MY interpretation of what he meant:

"Some might say “I don’t care if they violate my privacy; I’ve got nothing to hide.” Help them understand that they are misunderstanding the fundamental nature of human rights."

1) He means...OTHERS don't get to decide MY RIGHTS, to privacy or anything else.

"Nobody needs to justify why they “need” a right: the burden of justification falls on the one seeking to infringe upon the right."

2) See number one.

"But even if they did, you can’t give away the rights of others because they’re not useful to you. More simply, the majority cannot vote away the natural rights of the minority."

3) Is it becoming clear yet?

"But even if they could, help them think for a moment about what they’re saying.

4) Then the quote...after the context:

"Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say."

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:44 | 6150506 Neochrome
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"if we follow the constitution, the terrorist have won." - might as well said McCain.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:53 | 6150512 Freddie
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I do not watch shit brainwashing TV.  I was at a restaurant and the news came on.  Jeb Bush was on and he said The  Patroit Act worked and stopped terroism "plain and simple."  He them said meta data worked "plain and simple" and they do not spy on Americans.

What a lying evil POS like all of them.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 20:50 | 6150513 Dixie Flatline
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Largest Kabuki screening in the history of mankind.

 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:02 | 6150537 wisefool
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watch CSPAN. They are taking callers and I would not want to be a MIC computer having to interpret these names and work through genuine accents.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?326227-2/us-senate-debate-nsa-surveillance&...

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:06 | 6150543 Infinite QE
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Like anyone would be able to confirm this. LOL.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 22:38 | 6150547 kchrisc
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I went out and bought a new hat that I promise to eat if these criminal tyrants actually stop their spying.

I forwent the Grey Poupon, as I don't expect to be eating it anytime soon.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..

 

My guillotine will still be watching, listening and listing to tyranny.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 00:29 | 6150926 Rock On Roger
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That's the first time I read 'forwent' on this site.

 

Guillo On

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:15 | 6150561 Chupacabra-322
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Personally, I do not absolutely recognize Act, Satute or Ordinace the Criminal Fraud Entity UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. & its Criminal Board of Trutees impose.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:16 | 6150565 gwar5
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Get your privacy back and vote with your mouse. Get Protonmail.com and get VyprVPN from Golden Frog. I am practically computer illiterate so anybody can do it.

The first one is an NSA proof email service. The latter lets you surf about as securely as possible (NSA warrants still apply) because GF has their own private servers and log data is only stored for 30 days. Then it disappears.

Can you see me now?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:22 | 6150582 Stormtrooper
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So, hey Rand, if you are genuine in your defense of American rights, push your Kentucky legislature to pass the Convention of States proposal.  If the states call their first, and long overdue Convention to amend the Constitution and reign in the Feds (or eliminate them altogether), then you will have promoted freedom in America.  That is, if you are willing to give up your power when Congress is amended out of existence.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 07:42 | 6151284 Ace Ventura
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Right sentiment.....WRONG solution. A Con-Con is the LAST thing we need. What we need is to FORCE our 'elected representatives' to OBEY the rules laid out for them in the CURRENT Constitution and Bill of Rights (Amendments I - X).

As for Amendments XI - XXVII, state legislatures can propose individual review and rescinding of any one of these at any time, but they won't because many of these were 'passed/enacted' through subterfuge or fraud (i.e. Amendment XVI), and are cornerstones for much of the power and corruption which runs rampant through our government today.

A Con-Con would simply allow the very same parasites who currently benefit from ignoring the substantive parts of the Constitution to outright scrap it and rewrite the entire thing to say something like:

'Greetings American serf-citizens. We own you and everything around you. You exist and serve at our pleasure. Because fuck you, that's why.'

Naturally it would read slightly different, and take 5,762 pages of gubbermint-speak.....but that would be the general thrust of any new 'Constitution' vomited forth through a Con-Con.

 

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:23 | 6150585 tony wilson and...
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“Mr. McCain was taken prisoner in Vietnam and was put, not just in jail, but in a pit! He sat there for several years. Any person would go nuts from that!” he added.

Vladimir Putin

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:56 | 6150664 Stormtrooper
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His time in the pit and subsequent insanity prepared him well for a corrupt political career.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:25 | 6150594 bugs_
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Andrei....you've got ANOTHER Obama waiver?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 22:47 | 6150768 Sonic the porcupine
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Is that Hunt for Red October reference?

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:49 | 6150626 Cabreado
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Nothing stops.

The problem is a defunct congress and rogue organizations under its watch... nothing stops without an overhaul, and without an overhaul it is political rhetoric, no matter how enamoring.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 21:43 | 6150634 The man with po...
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Mark my words, a terrorist attack of a magnitude greater than 9/11 is going to take place within the next two years. It will be a last ditch attempt by the Zionists, the banksters ,or whoever evil schemers are out there falsely believing they have power over us, a last ditch attempt to return to the old order, to reshape the future in the image of the old order. A pathetic attempt at a centralized world government to keep their rackets alive. But the genie is out of the bottle and humanity will only grow more enlightened as every stupid idea, practice, ideology, government and way of life is sucked out of us all like poison from a wound.

This terrorist attack will take place because there too many people catching on to the whole fact that the war on terror is a sham; the 9/11 official story is the stuff of Hollywood action films (BS in other words); the welfare state promised too much and will bankrupt first world countries; the corruption is more visible than ever; US foreign policy does the exact opposite of what it says it does; the US dollar is facing competition; the petroldollar is coming to end as the Middle East has its World War period; key allies like the UK are placing themselves in China's good books; the Democrats and Republicans are the same entity disguised in different costumes; the banking sector is going to blow up again; exponential GDP growth is absolutely unsustainable; inflation is slowly smothering people; the housing sector has gone full retard aka UK style; the media are part of government; accountability amongst the rich, the powerful and influential is approaching zero; education is just a testing machine for children with reason, logic and critical thinking being replaced with feelings, emotions and mimicking; the war on drugs is really the war on non-pharmaceutical drugs; health insurance is a racket; political correctness has run amok and is resulting in self-censorship of the people done unto themselves; the family structure has been eroded down on all fronts be that decadence, feminism, government and other forces; deferred gratification, restraint and discipline are being eroded away as instant gratification, distraction, indulgence and procrastination take hold; compared with the rest of the world virtually everyone has so many luxuries and material wealth, yet so many people feel empty because of it; alcohol, drugs, masturbation, sexual acts, TV, the internet and gluttony are used by the majority of people to numb the pain-

The pain of a life devoid of meaning because the comfortable numbness so many of us seek, myself included here, is like a splinter in our minds- a reminder that we cannot cut out the highs and lows, the things which give us purpose, the certain things which people believe for the sake of existing. Human beings are irrational, we believe in things which cannot be scientifically proved or quantified: like love, reason, feelings, intelligence, God... Everyone believes in something because we are spiritual beings, the things we believe in are constructs which not only define civilization, it may even unwittingly define the very nature of the universe.

And if everything is a construct of our mind, then there is a supreme constructor -- you know who I'm talking about here -- then there is a purpose. Thus non-belief is the ultimate lack of purpose and without purpose humans have no reason to live, there is nothing to strive for.

That whole Christian thing about the Kingdom of God on Earth, well that is coming, and the other big Christian thing about the Return of Christ, well that actually happened twice- first with the prophet Muhammed (yes God wanted Christians to turn to Muhammed and become Muslims) and with the prophet Baha'u'llah. That's why the past 150 years have been so fucking crazy, humanity is transforming, it is growing up. At some point ~150 years ago something triggered an explosion in technology, culture, science, values, morality and the full works. But of course we couldn't accept this change and humanity, and don't we all you know, learned the hard way. The sad thing is humanity is learning by doing every thing but the right thing and this only changes when the pain, grief, guilt, death and destruction become too much to bear.

I think the 21st century could see the most ugliest and most fucked up things ever seen in mankind's history, but I also firmly believe that towards the end the worst of this transformation will be behind us. A decentralized but united world. Mark my words, there will be a world government in the future. The question is will it be the centralized pariah which the banksters and Zionists are working on (and fucking masturbating to)? Or a decentralized global federal system where there is both nations/states with their autonomy and a general collective consensus.

How is this decentralized system going to work? It fucking beats me because no one has lived in such a system. But we'll never know if we don't try and we are sure as hell trying out methods which are dolling out a great deal of misery, suffering and death.

Things like nations and borders are God damn obsolete, no nation is an island and no nation can afford immense armaments without going (eventually) bankrupt.

Things like individualism and liberty are going to be re-evaluated to. We all bitch about corporations, banks and various evil individuals fucking people over. But they are simply exercising their liberty at the expense of others. Now how many times have we slighted a person or fucked them over for the sake of our liberty? You want freedom? Well that comes with restraints, just like in reality, just like in nature. Think of bettering yourself true, but also think about how that affects others.

THAT is the biggest challenge we all face, how much do you really think about what effects your actions and words have on others? How much effort do you exert to change your behaviour to ensure you are not unjust to others?

This is something we all have to learn because if humanity was fully matured and united, we would not be in this sad sorry state.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 23:18 | 6150820 Shitgum Suicide
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Didn't read a single comment before posting but does anyone else think Snowden is a false flag? A twomp? A tre?

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 01:27 | 6150997 Alvin Fernald
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a Goldstein?

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 03:00 | 6151117 Ellie K
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Maybe.  Most people that I know consider Ed to be a hero, and utterly pure.  I think that fleeing to China and then Russia was more than a little strange. Given that he was in Hawaii, okay, it might have been unavoidable.  However, the linkages between Snowden, Glenn Greenwald, Pierre Omidyar and Wikileaks are strange.  

Also, it is kind of odd that Greenwald goes to Hollywood, is welcomed back to the United States with nary a problem from law enforcement, yet he is directly acting to expose supposedly highly sensitive intelligence documents which he has in his possession. Notice too how Matt Taibbi, who is sometimes really annoying, but does excellent exposes of corruption in banking and finance, didn't last long with Pierre's journalism venture.

I really don't know <shrug>.  It isn't easy to talk about this publicly, as people don't know, don't care, or believe that Snowden/Greeenwald are heros.  I nearly ruined my mother's birthday lunch because I got into an argument with my younger brother about whether Snowden is a traitor or false flag.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 07:48 | 6151294 Ace Ventura
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As sad as it is to say.....I think Snowden is still an acting operative serving the globalist agenda. Too much about his rather meteoric rise from nobody to top-level access analyst doesn't jive real well. But even worse, and even more ironic and frustrating.....is that he is simply too good to be true.

Now.....how fucked up is it when this is the level of thinking is required when trying to make sense of all the bullshit detonating everywhere, everyday, in the new normal?

Damn you globalist scumbags.

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 23:40 | 6150851 honestann
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I can only shake my head when I read comments from intelligent, well-meaning fans of liberty.  No matter how much they see or understand, they simply can't get their brains out of the matrix (for lack of a better term).

With full clarity and understanding of what they are doing, the members of congress vote to pass laws, acts and statutes that BLATANTLY and DIRECTLY violate the US constitution.  They do so intentionally, knowing this is overt treason by the very fictional laws they claim to control.

And their "justice system" prosecutes none of them, and none of the individuals and corporations who donate to their campaigns.

And yet... intelligent, well-meaning people here imagine solutions WITHIN the current system (and similar systems) can work.  THAT IS INSANE.  The evidence that is insane is... REALITY.

Ever heard of that?  Reality?

Why can't people figure out what is obvious, and what is demonstrated by the entire history of mankind?  Whenever fictitious entities exist that [many people believe] have authority and power over others... human predators ALWAYS gain control of them, and ALWAYS run roughshod on everyone for themselves and the pack of human predators they run and collaborate with.

EVERY.  SINGLE.  TIME.

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The bottom line is this.

If you believe fictions like "law", "nation", "official", "authority" and "government" exist (are not fictions), then you are insane --- whether you are intelligent and well-meaning or not.  And as such, your thinking processes are certain to be complete nonsense, and completely impractical.

If you understand that fictions like "law", "nation", "official", "authority" and "government" are fictions, then you are sane.  But you also need to stop "slipping up" and formulating ideas based upon those fictions, and solutions based upon those fictions, because you already know all such ideas and solutions are bogus nonsense.

And let's be clear... those terms are ALL FICTIONS.

When a couple dozen human predators sit around a table, smear ink on paper, then assert that "some nation just popped into existence", and "now every human within hundreds or thousands of miles... and for all of eternity... are obligated by whatever ink-shapes they smeared on paper or parchment" --- NOTHING POPPED INTO EXISTENCE.

Before these human predators took these actions, those human predators existed, the paper existed, the ink existed, the continent existed.  And after those actions were taken, the same existed.  NOTHING NEW APPEARED.

Thus "nation" is fiction.  Thus "authority" is fiction.  Thus "government" is fiction.  Thus all the nonsense people talk about every day is FICTION.  They are literally wasting their entire lives manipulating fiat mental-units.  Which assures they will accept endless fictions like fiat law, fiat nations, fiat authority, fiat government, and so forth.

When in fact, all that exists today is the same stuff that existed tens of thousands of years ago.  The universe, galaxies, stars, planets, asteroids, comets and etc.  And on planets exist continents, islands, oceans, lakes, plants, animals, rocks.

That's it.  Governments never existed, and never will.  Law never existed, and never will.  And anyone who believes they do... is guaranteed to be a WILLING slave to human predators for as long as they believe such obvious nonsense.

The entire dynamic today is quite simple.

HUMAN PREDATORS and PARASITES VERSUS HUMAN PRODUCERS.

THAT IS IT.  THAT IS EVERYTHING.

All the rest is fictional nonsense.  All the rest being endless bogus mental-units, most of which are fictions that humans don't realize are not real, do not exist.  And so, they are controlled by those mental-units, diabolically jammed into their brains by parents, family, friends, teachers, media, etc.

This is the entire nature of all human action.  Why so?  Because the natural processes of the environment only generate enough real physical goods that humans need to survive for 70,000 to perhaps 700,000 humans.

And therefore, human production is what keeps something like 99.999% of the human population alive.  So human production IS fundamental to human existence... as long as more than one million humans live.

But human predators refuse to produce.  They've decided they will dominate the human producers and take whatever they wish.

The human predators NEED human producers... or they die.

The human producers DO NOT NEED human predators.

In fact, human predators would live in a relative paradise-world today if they were not dominated by human predators.

And this is virtually the ENTIRE STORY OF MANKIND.  And for practical purposes, this IS the entire story of mankind as far as the topics that appear in ZH are concerned.

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The "system" cannot be fixed.  The "system" IS predators-versus-producers.  Therefore, the only solution is to STOP the system, ELIMINATE the system.

Which just means... recognize that no other human being can POSSIBLY have any "authority" over you.  CANNOT HAPPEN.  And any claim it can happen is a lie, an absolute fiction.  And that is the answer to every interaction between humans.  Human interactions are either predatory == involuntary or non-predatory == voluntary.

Or in more concrete terms, exterminate all predators of all species that attempt to harm you or your family or friends or property... otherwise you are a willing slave, and will be dominated, squeezed dry, and eventually exterminated by those predators.

The 37-zillion words published on the fictions of law, nation, politics, authority and government can and should be reduced to the above sentence.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 11:57 | 6151952 Non Merger
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It is too bad that the predators (i.e. TPTB) have a head start of decades/centuries/millenia at fucking over the producers.  Further, waking up the masses to any aspect of their being fucked over is nearly impossible.  

Sun, 05/31/2015 - 23:43 | 6150856 flyonmywall
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Well, I have to give props to Rand Paul. At least, he's not going to take it anymore.

Anybody with shit for brains and at least one functioning brain cell should now realize that the Republicans and the Democrats are now essentially the same party. You have a Republican congress and a Democrat president colluding to effectively curtail the 4th Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

With the exception of the senators and representatives who voted against this travesty, the other ones are nothing but bought-and-paid-for whores and puppets. The question is, whose whores and puppets are they? Who benefits from this?

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 00:01 | 6150881 SirBarksAlot
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Funny how the "terrorists" all work for the same people whose asses John McCain scrambles to kiss.

 

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 00:04 | 6150883 DipshitMiddleCl...
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they are still tracking them

 

this is a charade 

 

 

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 00:14 | 6150893 Atomizer
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We all need to sleep under the bed with the hobgoblins. They will protect you from Jewish lighting terrorism. 

/sarc

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 00:17 | 6150898 Jim in MN
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I was thinking about forming a New National Party....had it all planned out....even collected the 1956 Dem and Rep party platforms to cut n paste a reformist, sane starting point.  OK, I did do that.  I was gonna go to my graduate school reunion and see who I could talk into it.....just need about $250 million and quitting the day job....lotta miles, lotta shoe leather.  Put local candidates up all over the country, recruit sane centrists from both sides, build it out.  One brick at a time. 

 

The only peaceful solution that remains open.   Targeting 2020, not 2016 of course.

 

But I guess I got tired, or the kids n wife make it too risky, or something.  

 

Sorry.  I don't know what I am going to tell the kids.  We just let the Republic go.....................................................................................................

 

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 00:47 | 6150958 scatha
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Sad. It is just political theater. If you thought that NSA will stop spying for femtosecond you are insane.

Ron Paul just won bragging rights of libertarian fighting against tyranny which will show up in his political commercial near you soon.

I have better thing for you Paul to do. Stop electoral vote for president whoever he/she might be "s-elected". It needs only one senatorial veto to do it, to hold nomination of electoral college and actual voting for president.

Just reminder to those morons that do not know that they are voting for nothing but bunch of political cronies i.e. electors because founding fathers thought you are too stupid to elect president directly.

Am I right or Am I right. I give you the same choice as oligarchs do i.e. no choice.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 01:33 | 6151002 Alvin Fernald
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I should look it up. But who is the last president of the US to be elected that did not go to the Wailing Wall before the election?

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 01:51 | 6151022 Alvin Fernald
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Working backwards, I stopped as I could not find a pic of Reagan at the Wailing Wall.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 01:54 | 6151026 Counterpunch
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dunno off hand - Bush the elder, mayhaps...  but the Israelis have surely been lying and dissembling as to the US and US presidents for decades

 

 

 

see you in the Hope Camps

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 01:58 | 6151030 Sanity Bear
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I find it a hopeful sign that nobody thinks they will actually stop.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 02:27 | 6151068 Government need...
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McCain is a disgrace.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 02:46 | 6151094 chubakka
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the guy in the doorway looks like Dick Cheney.  but it all bs they're still recording every word. 

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 03:08 | 6151121 Ellie K
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This is just nauseating, that it is being presented as a victory for the White House, that there will be reform of the NSA data collection:

The Senate on Sunday advanced legislation ending the National Security Agency’s collection of millions of Americans’ telephone records in a key test vote, setting up its passage later this week, in a reversal for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) and a victory for the White House.

Obama is just as much or more a part of the surveillance state as Bush!  Somehow, this is always overlooked by his acolytes.  It is so tiresome.  Obama is entirely allied with McConnell and McCain on the NSA data collection. Obama reauthorizes the Patriot Act every September 14. It is ridiculous that the press spins it otherwise.

I felt sorry for Rand Paul in that first video.  They were really rude to him.  Arguing with him over whether or not he could have five minutes to speak took almost as much time as just giving him the five minutes!

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 04:07 | 6151151 Moe Howard
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There is no Republic. There is no Consitution. There is a bought and paid for theater in D.C.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 05:09 | 6151185 JDFX
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They still have international reach to spy, so why not just purchase some foreign spying data to monitor US internal citizens ? And set up offshore spynet, simple! 

 

But is spy data really any good ? I mean not as if the whole world knows everyones listening ? So if people KNOW that part of the game, what will they do using ' The Art Of War ' principles ?

 

I'd say sure up the borders, and have one hell of an internal reaction force ready. (all countries) ( I guess that's why they've been tooling up already these past couple years, they know what's comine ?   This fuckers gonna blow at some point fairly soon. The spy era is done already. Spend the resources elsewhere. And nations should start formally teaching their kids, the real world national and international laws. Maybe that will help nurture tolerance and human rights respect , if they don't , a stronger , more radical religious external law will continue to creep and overlay all apathetic nations. Classic psychopolitics in action. 

 

Lets see how it plays out, but the worlds getting more violent , so that's our current projection ???  And world leaders will need to be seen to be promoting world peace objectives, and I mean very visible if they are to install some hope of real change. But where are the peace cabinets of our news channels eveyday ?  Radio silent isn't it ???  So I guess we must favour War for solutions still. 

 

And why do you need to spy, when your enemies are stating in full public view , ' we're coming for you ' .  If that registers as a clear and present danger, then what's the drill ?  Seems like a slow reaction which is allowing opposing strength to build .  Undereastimation . Don't risk underestimating . 

 

Lets see how it plays out next year or so.... 

 

 

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 06:36 | 6151241 Last of the Mid...
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and if you really believe they quit recording fucking everything in the world at midnight, well, I've got some stocks to sell ya. .  . Bwwwaaaaaaa.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 09:03 | 6151410 peterZ
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It does not matter what the law is or is not.  They will keep watching

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 09:34 | 6151425 Manipuflation
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Well, I have to come up with 500 signatures.  I do not know if it worth the effort but maybe it is.  I have some good folks behind me and they are encouraging me.  I do not want to do this but at the same time I think I have to.  And I don't want any buy off money.  I think it is time for me to run for state senate.  I really don't want to.  I have no lust.  I was to do that for 2008 for the GOP and I said no.  I was not ready.  Right now I am in a position where I can do something like this.  I was an officer in to seperate senate districts and I know how the game works.

Is it worth it? 

http://www.sos.state.mn.us/index.aspx?page=1783

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 10:07 | 6151570 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Bread and circuses taken to a whole new level including Snowden being one of the circus clowns.

http://www.networkcomputing.com/unified-communications/how-secure-are-si...

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"Good luck getting service providers to supported encrypted voice streams over their SIP trunks; the crypto overhead on their SBCs [session border controllers] is significant. (And remember that Secure RTP is encrypted hop-by-hop, so the service provider is always going to decrypt it at their SBC.)"

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The PSTN network which VOIP has to be inter connectable with has no encryption at all.

Laws or not the problem is the telecom system and in turn IP addressing system of the internet itself but everyone ignores that point. We've reached peak humanity 2.0 and it is devolution through ever more creative bullshit to lie to ourselves instead of dealing with the real problems and root issues.

The only solution is to encrypt traffic right at the data link layer itself that the keys are keyed to only the devices communicating at the physical level. Encryption/decryption is done at the physical signalling sublayer. That is how you key it to exactly the sender and receiver only even if you add other protective measures and checks like adding specific modulation frequencies when sending the data packets. That or remove gateways and trunks and go to a shortwave phone voice communication system instead. Get rid of the telecoms and satellites outright and make use of nature and magnetosphere reflective properties since it is all terrestrial based communications. Not only that then you use a secondary higher level encryption like TLS or SSL as a secondary authentication factor just in case.

This can be done without having to scrap the whole internet or telecom system.

Mon, 06/01/2015 - 11:49 | 6151917 DuneCreature
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The next False Flag will have to be a doooozzzy to get the Pathetic Parrot Patriot Act reinstated.

My money is on a smallish nuke someplace expendable.

One can only hope they’ll pick DC.

It looks to me like they are wanting to move the gov out of Washington to dispersed above and below ground locations all around the nation and a nice dirty bomb just inside the DC beltway (I wonder where Rand Paul lives?) might kill several angry birds with one ‘device’ so to speak.

~ DC

 

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