Hacked Emails Expose George Soros As Ukraine Puppet-Master

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Just days after George Soros warned that World War 3 was imminent unless Washington backed down to China on IMF currency basket inclusion, the hacker collective CyberBerkut has exposed the billionaire as the real puppet-master behind the scenes in Ukraine. In 3 stunning documents, allegedly hacked from email correspondence between the hedge fund manager and Ukraine President Poroshenko, Soros lays out "A short and medium term comprehensive strategy for the new Ukraine," expresses his confidence that the US should provide Ukraine with lethal military assistance, “with same level of sophistication in defense weapons to match the level of opposing force," and finally explained Poroshenko's "first priority must be to regain control of financial markets," which he assures the President could be helped by The Fed adding "I am ready to call Jack Lew of the US Treasury to sound him out about the swap agreement."

The hacking group CyberBerkut claims it has penetrated Ukraine’s presidential administration website and obtained correspondence between Soros and Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko. It has subsequently posted all the intercepted pdfs on line at the following location. More details as RT earlier reported:

The hacktivists have published three files online, which include a draft of “A short and medium term comprehensive strategy for the new Ukraine” by Soros (dated March 12, 2015); an undated paper on military assistance to Kiev; and the billionaire’s letter to Poroshenko and Ukraine’s Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk, dated December 23, 2014.


According to the leaked documents, Soros supports Barack Obama’s stance on Ukraine, but believes that the US should do even more.


He is confident that the US should provide Ukraine with lethal military assistance, “with same level of sophistication in defense weapons to match the level of opposing force.”


“In poker terms, the US will ‘meet, but not raise,” the 84-year-old businessman explained, supposedly signing one of the letters as “a self-appointed advocate of the new Ukraine.”


The Western backers want Kiev to “restore the fighting capacity of Ukraine without violating the Minsk agreement,” Soros wrote.

Among other things, the leaked documents claim that the Ukrainian authorities were also asked to “restore some semblance of currency stability and functioning banking system” and “maintain unity among the various branches of government” in order to receive assistance from foreign allies.

Soros believes that it’s up to the EU to support Kiev with financial aid, stressing that “Europe must reach a new framework agreement that will allow the European Commission to allocate up to $1 billion annually to Ukraine.”


As for the current state of economy, the billionaire wrote that former Chilean finance minister, Andres Velasco, after visiting Ukraine on his request, returned with “a dire view of financial situation."


“The new Ukraine is literally on the verge of collapse” due to the national bank’s lack of hard currency reserves, Soros warned Poroshenko.


The correspondence shows that the billionaire has been in constant touch with the authorities in Kiev and consulting them.

Digging into the details of the documents, we find one intriguing snippet:

As you know, I asked Andrés Velasco, a prominent economist who was Chile’s very successful minister of finance from 2006-2010 to visit Kyiv where he met the Prime Minister; the President was in Warsaw at the time. Velasco came back with a dire view of the financial situation. The National Bank of Ukraine has practically no hard currency reserves. That means that the hryvnia has no anchor. If a panic occurred and the currency collapsed as it did in Russia, the National Bank could not stabilize the exchange rate even if only temporarily as Russia did by injecting $90 billion.


Your first priority must be to regain control over the financial markets—bank deposits and exchange rates. Unless you do, you will have no way to embark on deeper reforms. I believe the situation could be stabilized by getting the European Council to make a commitment in principle that they will pull together the new $15 billion package that the IMF requires in order to release the next tranche of its original package at the end of January 2015. Based on that commitment the Federal Reserve could be asked to extend a $15 billion three months swap arrangement with the National Bank of Ukraine. That would reassure the markets and avoid a panic.




I am ready to call Jack Lew of the US Treasury to sound him out about the swap agreement.

One wonders what other matters of national importance involve George Soros getting on the line with the US Treasury Secretary to arrange virtually unlimited funds courtesy of the US Federal Reserve just to promote one person's ulterior agenda?

And just like that, conspiracy Theory becomes Conspiracy Fact once again.

The full documents are below:

Ironically, the first document laying out the "short and medium-term comprehensive strategy for new Ukraine" and signed by George Soros, "a self-appointed advocate of the New Ukraine", was ironically created by Tamiko Bolton, the 40 year old who became Soros' third wife several years ago.

Soros Ukraine Strategy


The next letter, one directly sent by Soros to Ukraine's president Poroshenko and prime minister Yatseniuk, comes courtesy of a pdf created by Douglas York, Soros' personal assistant.

Priority To Fix Financial Markets


Finally, a letter (authored by Yasin Yaqubie of the International Crisis Group based on its pdf metadata properties), which lobbies the US "to do more."

Ukraine Letter to Potus - Lethal Aid


To sum up: Soros is basically lobbying on behalf of Ukraine, pushing for cash and guns, to oppose Putin in every way possible.

If genuine, and based on their meta data, they appear to be just that, these lettes show how Soros is trying to weasel around the Minsk agreements (for instance, how to train Ukrainian soldiers without having a visible NATO presence in Ukraine). The documents link up Nuland with Soros, and clears up who is truly pulling the strings of the US State Department.

Finally, while the documents don't mention what Soros has in store for Ukraine, one can use their imagination.  

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Achilles Heel (not verified) corsair Jun 2, 2015 7:55 AM

The land wasn't stolen from them... They abandoned it... They're gypsies & traveled to Europe to steal from others...

Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

Wrong the Khazaria empire was overthrown by the Russians sometime around the late 10th, early 11th century.


The Khazars are of Turkish decent not blood related to any of the original 12 tribes of Israel.


1. Many medieval writers attested to the Khazars' Turkic origins including Theophanes, al-Masudi, Rabbi Yehudah ben Barzillai, Martinus Oppaviensis, and the anonymous authors of the Georgian Chronicle and Chinese chronicle T'ang-shu. The Arabic writer al-Masudi in Kitab at-Tanbih wrote: "...the Khazars... are a tribe of the Turks." (cited in Peter Golden, Khazar Studies, pp. 57-58). T'ang-shu reads: "K'o-sa [Khazars]... belong to the stock of the Turks." (cited in Peter Golden, Khazar Studies, p. 58). In his Chronographia, Theophanes wrote: "During his [Byzantine emperor Heraclius] stay there [in Lazica], he invited the eastern Turks, who are called Chazars, to become his allies." (cited in Theophanes, The Chronicle of Theophanes Confessor, translated by Cyril Mango and Roger Scott, 1997, p. 446). The claim that the Khazars were Scythians is completely without merit.


They converted to Judaism being sandwiched between Byzantine (Christian) and Persia (Muslim) to try to preserve their independence since both equally hated 'barbarians' and would have united to take them out but by converting to Judaism bought them some breathing room.

They had their homeland 1800s - 1920 called Bessarabia (now mostly part of modern Moldovia) but the Russian revolution and subsequent events put a stop to that.


Ukraine has always been about reestablishing a Khazar homeland in the Ukraine region, these people never wanted to go to Palestine, it took 2 World Wars and the Brits pulling out all the stops getting them to accept conflating religion with nationalism to get them to accept moving into Palestine. The Russians don't want them back either, this is the real underlying root conflict playing out over there.

That a big money Khazar like Soros is personally involved in this is absolutely of no surprise and bigger Khazar money like the Rothschilds (Germany/Frankfurt home of the ECB) behind him.

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Usurious (not verified) LasVegasDave Jun 2, 2015 7:14 AM

all jews should be forced to live in the same state (lets call it victimhood with parasitism being its capitol)..........that way they can steal from themselves instead of stealing from humanity.........

Urban Redneck's picture

Curveball??? You are aware that baseball is not played with a lightweight perforated plastic ball?

If Hasdai's "correspondence" wasn't analogous to Frank Herbert's Dune, we would be having other debates today.

Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

For the curious.


I really need to go and re-read Dune again, it has been years since I last read it.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

LV Dave, you seem to be mixing of lot of stuff into one stew.  How do you co-mingle said 'Ashkis' with Zios?  The former is a genetic issue, the latter a political-ideology issue.  And I think that many people here are going out of their way to differentiate between the terms Ashkis, Khazars or Zionists, not to have you lump it all under the term "Jew".

Out of academic interest and protocol, and for the sake of intellectual integrity, I think that it's more useful to ask the questions that NOBODY seems to be asking or have an answer for:

   1. What happened to the Hebrew diaspora, after the Romans smashed Israel and they scattered to the 4 Winds after AD 69?  How many went where?  What is their DNA trail?

   2. What is the DNA trail of the 'Khazar Jews', or of the Ashkenazim?

   3. How do the above DNA trails compare/correlate to the modern day people who claim 'Jewish' ancestry - both within Israel itself, and outside it (Eastern and Western Europe, USA)? 

Let's use an example of a famous person...  the MILF actress Scarlet Johanssen might claim to be Jewish, but the claim alone does not make it so: She neither has a Hebrew/Jewish name, nor shows any features that vaguely resemble anything other than a Scandinavian/Nordic ancestry.  And me using James T Kirk's name and avatar, or at times simulating his TV persona, does not make me Capt. Kirk.  "Claim" is one thing, "Proof" is another.

I rather suspect that many who go by the label, culture and practices associated with being 'Jewish' are either very DNA-diluted variants, or are non-Hebrew converts to the faith/culture.

Finally, as for alleged "Claim" to any piece of turf of property (buildings or any other man-made creations), I'd go by a kind of Universal Statute of Limitations for all groups and cultures:  If you can't provide a 'Preponderance of Evidence' of Lawful Right of Ownership that goes back further and a TBD Period of years (decades or centuries), then... Tough shit!   Anything older than a few centuries of sole or dominant possession, means nothing and belongs in a museum.  No matter WHO you are.  IOW... at some point, "Possession is 90% of the Law".  Else you'd better give your house and land back to the N. Am. Indians (Cherokee, Apachee), to set an example.  And lemme guess: I don't see that happening.

Sirius Wonderblast's picture

Just how far back do you want to go, in respect of just about any parcel or tract of land? By your thinking, you could hand most of western Europe, the Balkans, Greece, Asia Minor and north Africa, plus parts of Arabia, to the people of Rome (may have to find a few people with names like Crassus or Gracchus...). I wonder what fun they'd have with that lot?

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture


Soros sure is making himself a candidate for one of Vladimir's Polonium cocktails.

Sleep tight, George.

I don't think Soros is going to lose sleep over a myth. No need for him to worry about polonium unless he's pissed off certain collaborators in British intelligence, the Russian mafia, and the Israeli mafia.



Latina Lover's picture

The Polonium Story is a total fraud.


If Putin wanted to off Litvivenko, there are easier and much less obvious means, such as a mugging gone 'bad', than using a very hard to find, very expensive, easy to trace and difficult to handle element like Plutonium.  It is just too elaborate of a plot for anyone who can think and has a basic science education to take seriously.  Unfortunately, most americans are so dumbed down that they will believe anything.

Bioscale's picture

Spot on, Litvinenko left a radioctive trace from Israel btw, he was apparently smugling some radioactive stuff from or into Israel and shit happened. The radioactive stuff was found even in Berezovsky apartment.. Then, the British filth services made up a story about Litvinenko being targeted by Russia which was a complete bullshit.

Urban Redneck's picture

Unfortunately, your story was written by a troll living on a couch on his parent's basement.  I thought Putin's PR brigades could pay for adult talent, or least functioning synapses.  That piece only actually makes sense as a hasbararat Israel-sympathy setup piece.  You might want to check the idenitity of the wizzard behind your curtain or cutting your paychecks.

No experienced mob boss like Berezovsky would be dumb enough to murder an underling in such a manner either. Therefore his death was an accident.

It's actually hard to to fathom the union of the cognative dissonance required to write those two sentences, the ignorance to be oblivious to the truth of the situation, and the creativity to concoct the related absurdist fantasy.    

Latina Lover's picture

I am not endorsing all of the content found within the link. I am merely pointing out the obvious, that the supposed Livitenko hit was very clumsy, over elaborate and much too expensive. Bullets and knives are much cheaper and more efficient that trying to poison someone with Plutonium.  Really, do you have any idea how difficult it is to produce and handle such an incredibly dangerous radioactive element?

Latina Lover's picture

I am not endorsing all of the content found within the link. I am merely pointing out the obvious, that the supposed Livitenko hit was very clumsy, over elaborate and much too expensive. Bullets and knives are much cheaper and more efficient that trying to poison someone with Plutonium.  Really, do you have any idea how difficult it is to produce and handle such an incredibly dangerous radioactive element?

Urban Redneck's picture

There are reasons decision trees are used in analytics-- to stop people who are trying to do their job from going too far down rabbit holes.

The two critical nodes that elude the author (and apparently yourself), are the respective chances that the party responsible for murdering Litvinenko was someone acting in official capacity of the Russian State trying to telegraph its capabilities vs someone not in an official capacity of the Russian State trying to telegraph the capabilities of the Russian State (i.e a setup, or a decision node-- Was the assassination an officially sanctioned act of the Russian State?), from which many more nodes of varying probability present themselves).

"clumsy, elaborate, and expensive" are subjective characterizations, not objective (and somewhat contradictory).

Using the author's methodology it is easy to construct that an even more viable theory to sell to the masses that FSB was trying to setup Berezovsky for the murder of Litvinenko.

The fact is that there dozens of characters involved had access to the requisite capacities, and potential motivations for wanting Litvinenko silenced.  The UK/MI5 might have home-field advantage and Silvio Burlesconi might have setup the Mitrokhin Commission to look into ties between the FSB and his adversaries, but once you kick over that hornets' nest it becomes difficult to ignore ties between the FSB and Russian mafia and his political alliesand Italian intelligence services, and how Frau Merkel's government facilitated transport of all those tons of toxic waste... The are simply too many possibilities to construct theories based on non-contradiction of publicly available evidence.   

Peeps with polonium ain't clumsy.  This was done, the way it was done, to achieve objective(s).


Latina Lover's picture

Aside from being incomprehensible, your commentary proves my point: the plot is too complex. 

A whore, a drug deal gone bad, a mugging,  ad nauseum are far better, easier to execute, and simpler to rationalize as an accident than a PLUTONIUM poisoning. Seriously, do you know anything about handling highly radioactive substances? 

Having said this, I value your commentary since it is not the usual lowbrow eructations of minimum wage ukie trolls.

Urban Redneck's picture

Exactly which isotope of PLUTONIUM (Pu atomic numer 94) decays into 210Po (a very specific isotope of POLONIUM, atomic number 84)?


Urban Roman's picture

I think Latina Lover is slightly confused.

And I think the usual recipe for Po is some Bismuth and a nuclear reactor. It takes too many thousands of years for U or Th to decay, and the Po doesn't last very long, so there's never more than a trace of it in the mix.

Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

Let's do some simple math.



Every Prime Minister since the inception of Israel has been an Ashkenazi.


The Ashkenazis are of Khazarian descent not Palestine and the 12 tribes of Israel.


An Israeli geneticist challenges the “Zionist” hypothesis that all Jews belong to one race and are intimately related, thus giving them a common ancestor in the Holy Land and a Biblical claim to Palestine.


The is the real root cause of most the major conflicts in the past and current century.

Urban Redneck's picture

Your use of the reply button confounds me...

As does your implication that Ashkenazi Jews not being descended of the 12 tribes of Israel proves that they are of Khazarian descent (or are you just copying and pasting Elhaik's jumping of the shark and conflatiion of the Caucasus and Khazaria?)

The joke about Hasdai in my other post actually had a serious point, given the number of truely dumb ass bigots who often post here that seem to believe that because at least six million jews were not gassed in Nazi gas chambers that Holocaust was a hoax, you would think that because Hasdai was writing fiction a thousand years ago, more of them would realize how much of the mythology of the Kingdom of Khazaria is based on an actual hoax.

Then, of course, there are those dumb ass Jews at Forward Magazine who came up with this piece of land grabbing and ego boosting historical fiction.

If we could just get rid of the stupid people and the dishonest people, or at least the stupid and dishonest people... (oh, wait, I've heard that before...)

Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

The genes don't lie, some of the genetic tracing has been done ascertaining just that. Neither does one's salt composition or other unique trace elements/isotopes (regionally specific radioactivity) for tracing terrestrial lineage though science is purposely quiet on this because a lot of lies would be exposed if people knew where they truly came from.

The Khazars are also mentioned in Byzantium historical texts (predating Hasdai). Hasadai is not the only historical reference to the Khazars or Chazars as Theophanes the Confessor wrote in his chronographia. He was born and died almost a full century before Hasadai refers to them in his correspondence.

I haven't even touched on the issue of which book and sect the Khazars most likely followed aka the Karaitism and the Tanakn vs. Rabbinic Judaism and the Talmud.

Some reading for the curious yet again.



Urban Redneck's picture

Of course Khazaria is mentioned mentioned in Byzantine texts, where else would Hasdai have drawn inspiration from?  

Arthur Koestler was trying to achieve a political objective when wrote the 13th Tribe, and Shaul Stampfer disproved Koestler's thesis of Ashkenazi Jewery simply being the evolution of an isolated group that converted to Judaism and thus had no ties to the Jews of antiquity.

The Jew-on-Jew nerd match between Elhaik & Ostrer et al. is about disproving the Rhineland Hypothesis, and because of the way the actual Khazarian Hypotheses is worded- it does not address the "isolation & conversion theory" that some conspiracy nutters have derived to promote their mythical "super Jews of Khazar who rule the world and lack all 'Jewish' DNA" 

scrappy's picture

Regarding the original lost tribes...

"The real history of nations and events was rewritten to fit the mandate of the new army church."


A Scot perspective


Lia Fail - The Stone of Destiny

Ghordius's picture

the danger of being assassinated in this "game" is real, nevertheless, depending, as you wrote, from who you are and who you are pissing off

"If genuine, and based on their meta data, they appear to be just that, these lettes show how Soros is trying to weasel around the Minsk agreements (for instance, how to train Ukrainian soldiers without having a visible NATO presence in Ukraine). The documents link up Nuland with Soros, and clears up who is truly pulling the strings of the US State Department."

as a reminder, it's about the newer Minsk agreements, the so called Minsk_II

as a reminder, it is Germany and France trying to have constructive talks and agreements with Russia and Ukraine, with Belarus in the role of mediator

note the absence of any British, Polish or American diplomats in those talks and agreements

as I write often, watch what they do more then listen to what they say

Paveway IV's picture

Pssssst...! Soros... someone should have told your old-cabbage-smelling ass by now that Porky and Yats are scheduled to be Ghaddafi'ed in the near future.

The Western lackeys that took Ukrainian citizenship to get appointed to ministry jobs have been resigning and leaving the country. Whatever puppet regime the State Deprtment set up there has failed and is getting thrown under the bus. It's like rats leaving a sinking ship in Kiev.

The Nazis will probably take over for a few months before the Ukrainians (ALL Ukrainians) launch a counter-coup an slaughter every last one of them as well.

The Ukrainians just want to die the slow, miserable death you have engineered for them and their country. For God's sake stop fucking with them, you evil prick.

Latina Lover's picture

Soros bought Ukie bonds, so he is just talking his book. The real situation in the Ukraine is so dire that it beggars belief.  15 billion is nothing when an amount 10 times greater would be required. The Americans stooges overplayed their hand and are now called on their bluff.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Hmmm.., so now Russians aren't just playing chess, but Poker also?

Texas Hold 'Em, or Ukie Hold 'Em?  ;-)

p.s. Kirk wouldn't be 'Kirk', if he didn't like your avatar.  Say Mr. Chekhov, how far to the Virgo Cluster from here?

Latina Lover's picture

About .000000012 parsecs from the US to Guatemala, where I am waiting for you, or a reasonable facsimile thereof <g>.

Lore's picture

Everybody stop and back up.  These docs fail the smell test.  Consider the words "NON-PAPER" in the title.  That's a big tell!  THESE DOCUMENTS ARE CHEESE.

Snip: "a functioning democracy in Ukraine that manages to reform its economy even in the midst of Russian aggression would turn Putin’s narrative into a lie that no amount of propaganda could cover up. More and more Russians would want to follow Ukraine’s example." 


With BS like this, you know better than to take anything else in the documents at face value. We're presented with a mixture of truth, dis- and mis-information, wishful thinking and outright lies.  If this is in truth a dictation of the man's essential thoughts on the matter, then can it be that someone is feeding HIM bad intelligence?

More than this, what seems likely to stand out in the minds of observers is the atrocities being visited upon the civilian populace in East Ukraine, after hundreds of thousands have already left for Russia and humanitarian convoys are fired upon even as thousands of civilians who remain are starving in the basements of bombed-out buildings.

mtl4's picture

Soros has been commenting on the Ukraine with a clear agenda towards persuading the rest of the world that we need to help or something "really bad" will happen.  That tells us that this old prune has some serious bets on the outcome of the war going on there.  Now all billionaires play this game (placing big bets and the trying to rig outcomes) and they all operate as individuals (ie would throw each under the bus in a heartbeat) until such time as working together might be financially beneficial.  Whether these documents are real or fabricated it certainly clear that Soros has some serious agenda going on behind the scenes and certainly is also one of the major puppetmasters in the who Ukraine conflict from the get go.  It's not what they say, it's how loudly they say it that counts.

Paveway IV's picture

I agree with Lore. There's too much controlled narrative-speak in them.

They sound smelly.

Maybe 'planted' for CyberBerkut to 'find'? Who knows - it changes nothing.

Lore's picture

Exactly. The psychopaths will lie to the end, but lies are still lies.  People are sick of being manipulated. The psychopaths need to FUCK OFF.

Niall Of The Nine Hostages's picture

George Soros himself is one of the very few native speakers of Esperanto. Now that's a globalist!

tarabel's picture


I had no idea that William Shatner was an evil Jewish banker.


Counterpunch's picture
Counterpunch (not verified) tarabel Jun 1, 2015 10:43 PM

Well, in your mind, Jews can not be evil at all, no matter what they drop on kids, or what they bomb.


Which makes you a racist, Tarabel.


How's that feel, Adolph?

MonetaryApostate's picture

I'm afraid the worst is yet to come, you'll see soon enough when the ships go down....  =(

LasVegasDave's picture

The Liberty was a spy ship feeding intel to the muzzies.

Sorry if that disrupts your narrative.

Bay of Pigs's picture

No, it just shows how fuckan stupid you are.

Future Jim's picture

"The Liberty was a spy ship feeding intel to the muzzies."

No, the USS Liberty was intended to be sunk by Israel and all crew members killed in order to blame Egypt in a false flag event, but Israel failed to sink the Liberty and kill everyone even after trying for hours according to every survivor including the 8 jewish survivors.

The USS Liberty - Israel Attacked America


Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Tarabel, William Shatner is cool, righteous dude, a talented actor whose roles are the inspiration on being a real human being (a 'Real Mensch' as some might say), and a fellow-countryman.

-Kirk out.

ThirteenthFloor's picture

Good to see Jack Lew is mentioned for the CFR slim he is too.

conscious being's picture

Is Jack Lew a Jew too? Well, whatever. Be sure not to talk about it and go back to sleep. There is no ethnic cabal bent on destroying you for their own evil ends.

Counterpunch's picture
Counterpunch (not verified) conscious being Jun 1, 2015 10:46 PM

so is the assistant secretary of the treasury

oh and all 3 under secretaries.


head of commerce, former/recent heads of irs, omb, and sec.  head of the fed and close to half of the fomc members.  head of the national economoic council, council of economic advisors, disporportionate amount of Reps and Senators and staffers, and on and on and on.


But it is "hate" to think diversity should apply when the over-represenation of a small minority ipso facto means othe rminorities [not to mention evil non-Jewish whites] are under-represented.

conscious being's picture

Here we have this nasty hebrew woman Barbara Lerner Spectre demanding Europe be transformed into a multi-ethnic society, but we have to live with a single ethnicity running the Treasury, Hollywood, banking, lobbying, etc. Its nighmare world for the goyim.

Youtube Barbara Lerner Spectre knowing what's right for you.>

Don't they handle ethnic diversity in Israel by ethnic cleansing the Palis and giving forced sterilizations to Ethiopian Jews?

dark pools of soros's picture

Don't worry, Goyims have a great future as sacrificial molested children for the cabal's blood baths

Ward cleaver's picture

What passage is that from in the fake book Elders of Zion?

MonetaryApostate's picture

You forgot Yellen & The Vice of the Fed, both Israeli Citizens...


trulz4lulz's picture

George is also a name that continuously spells itself. Georgeorgeorgeorgeorge Soros. One Who Soars to Infinity. Or Beelzebub as a previous excellent poster pointed out.

trulz4lulz's picture

And as a reply to myself, since no one caught it before now. Sorosorosoros also continuously spells itself. What are the odds of that?