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Greece Breaks America's Heart, Will Sign MOU With Russia For Gas Pipeline
Greece has received what The New York Times recently described as “dueling sales pitches” on two proposed natural gas pipelines.
One proposal comes from Russia, where the Kremlin is keen to use the tumultuous negotiations between Athens and creditors to advance Moscow’s energy and geopolitical interests. Moscow hopes to essentially buy Athens’ participation in the Turkish Stream pipeline which, as a reminder, will allow Russia to bypass Bulgaria by piping gas through Turkey, then through Greece, Serbia, and Hungary straight to the Austrian central hub.
(Greece's options)
Some have suggested over the past several months that Athens may be able to secure an advance on its potential profits from the pipeline, thus giving Greece some much needed breathing room in what have a series of suffocating negotiations with the troika. This would suit Vladimir Putin just fine as it would allow him to solve the South Stream ‘problem’ while securing a Greco-Russo economic and energy alliance just as Europe debates how to proceed with regard to the conflict in Ukraine. For its part, Europe has responded by filing antitrust charges against Gazprom.
The US proposal involves The Southern Gas Corridor, a project aimed at “improving the diversity of the EU’s energy supply” — in other words, it’s an attempt to help break Gazprom’s stranglehold. Essentially, the corridor will allow the EU to tap into Caspian gas via a series of connecting pipelines running from Azerbaijan to Italy.
(The US-endorsed pipeline project)
Early last month, US State Department envoy Amos Hochstein met with Greek foreign minister Nikos Kotzia to make the pitch and told Greece that participating in The Southern Gas Corridor would help make the country attractive to investors again.
(Hochstein and Kotzia in May)
It appears Moscow may have made the better sales pitch (or perhaps it was the fact that Russia lobbied Athens far more aggressively) because Greece is set to sign an MOU for the Greek portion of The Turkish Stream pipeline in June.
RT has more:
Greece plans to sign a document on political support for Gazprom’s Turkish Stream project at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum in June, its Energy Minister announced on Monday. The country plans to invest $2 billion in its construction.
A memorandum on political support for the gas pipeline project will be prepared by June 18-20, when the International Economic Forum (SPIEF-2015) will be held in Russia’s St. Petersburg, Greek Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis announced on Monday…
Greece’s part of the pipeline, which will be delivering Russia’s gas on from the Turkish border, will cost some $2 billion, Lafazanis said in an interview with the Rossiya24 channel. The minister said that a Greek state company will be involved in the project, adding that there has been “big interest” from many companies wishing to take part in the construction and future operation of the pipeline…
The new pipeline, which Gazprom plans to build from Turkey to the border with Greece, will be part of the Turkish Stream project aimed at delivering Russian gas to Europe without the participation of Ukraine. Russia intends to completely abandon its gas supplies through Ukraine by 2019. The EU would construct the pipelines leading further on from Greece.
According to Lafazanis, the Western-backed proposal and The Turkish Stream are not competitors and Greece will, if it can, participate in both initiatives.
Via The Greek Reporter:
“We do not considered them to be rivals. On the contrary, we think they both contribute to energy supply of European countries. That’s why it is odd that the Russian project is raising concern and doubts in the US and the European Union. We will not submit to the interests and wishes of any third country. Greece is nobody’s property. We move based on the interests of our people and our national interests. The country must become a development hub for Europe’s energy supply."
The US and Europe of course do not see things that way as indicated by the following quote from The US Embassy in Athens:
The United States is concerned that Greek consideration of an extension of a “Turkstream” pipeline across Greece will not increase energy diversification, may be of concern to EU competition authorities, and is not a long-term solution to Greece’s energy needs.
Essentially, Greece and the West have just suffered a bad breakup, and the West is not keen on Greece dating anyone else for the foreseeable future and so presumes to exercise a kind of post-split overbearing paternalism to ensure Athens can fend for itself in a world occupied by anti-NATO vultures who have been circling for the better part of six months. Greece, however, is prepared to make its own way.
Or, as Vladimir Putin puts it: "
"Just because Greece is debt-ridden, this does not mean it is bound hand and foot, and has no independent foreign policy."
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"how dare they...dont they know who we is???
O'Sellout
They haven't told Obama yet. He'll hear about it on the news, same as the rest of us.
Greece to EU: I'm sorry, did you say something? Eat Shit
Greece,
See FIFA.
Do the right thing ;-)
Merica
Greeks.
They just invited a whole bunch of Zionists to buy puts on their ass.
Pull it!
So basically the Greeks have just declared war on Israel and Qatar?
Christ Almighty... I never saw THAT coming! I LOVE those crazy Greeks.
I have respect for the Greeks. Ultimately Putin is Oblahblah's light-skinned twin and the Israelis and Germans have been at war with Greece for some time now, trying to force the Greeks to surrender their sovereignty and accept abject poverty while the bankers sucked them dry.
Greece to EU again: And one more thing, you've got unlimited cash to monetize bank bonds with no questions asked, but have no room to cancel the interest on the money (created out of thin air money) that we owe you. Excuse me, but fuck you very much!
Given the condition Greece is in they should do both.
Why not a doppleganger?
and it is also in Europe's interest to have both Russian and ME gas.
And another in a long series of foreign policy successes by fudgepacker and its democrap minions....
Now the next move (if Tsipras has the khidhia) is to default on all external debt in lieu of war reparations, introduce the drachma and issue an IPO for the Greek gas pipeline company, which can only be subscribed in drachmes.
+ 1 for the khidia! Greeks rule! (well don't really rule, but certainly seem to be shaking things up a bit...). Back to see family in September. The family bit is good - what Greece will be like since the last I visited in 2011 - not so good.
Beatuiful country. Last time I was there you couldn't get any of that KFC and fish-and-chips bollix, it was all Greek food even on Mykonos. I like it that way and hate to think what the place looks like now.
I imagine the tourist spots (e.g Myconos, Santorini, etc.) will be the same, but Athens will be quite different. There was a basic but very cheap hotel in Exarchion I stayed at a couple of times, with a nice square nearby for cocktails, that I will not stay in this time as that district is where there has been a lot of troubles. I guess it just means shelling out more bucks for a 3 to 4 star hotel with security so as to do Athens, the Parthenon, and the museums before heading out to the islands....
I think I'll file this one under "another failed Greek commitment"
The EU/US won't allow it. Period.
Anyone who thinks that Greece is still a sovereign nation is not paying attetion.
If Turkey backs out - does Russia/Gazprom have another option to get the gas to southern Europe?
The pipeline is ALREADY being build in Turkey, because Turkey needs the gas ITSELF anyways.
In the end its not about politics, or egos, or even gas.
Its about the banksters.
Will this help start the war they need to move us to one world goverment? Will this move the needle toward one world currency and one overlord central bank? These answers will determine the outcome. The rest is Kaibuki.
"Once you've lost Cronkite, you've lost middle America." Same thing, different names.
It will be interesting to see. It seems like the Russians typically make the better trade offer (see Ukraine), but America (I guess) sees itself as a Mercedes brand that people will choose over any other consideration.
Greece sure will get some blowback from the west for this. Does Greece now ruin the unanimous vote Europe needs to extend the Russian sanctions are part of this deal?
Yes, that would be my bet. Greece staying in the EU and NATO while getting cozy with Russia is a genuine problem for the West.
Yet another reason for Barry to get on the phone to Angie and Wolfie and tell them to renegotiate Greece's debts.
When the knife cuts to the bone you are more focused on your survival than on whatever "orders" you may get from your master. What's the EU/US gonna do ? Install another bunch of colonels in power ? And how is that gonna solve the impossible Greek debt problem ? All can kicking stops when the can hits the reality wall, whether one likes it or not...
Maybe this is just more game theory being played against the common Greek. Did they really raid the pension plans and central accounts and then transfer that money to the foreign bankers with any intention of seperating from the EU later? If so it was an incredible blunder.
More likely this is another attempt to distract the common Greek by giving hope while continuing to raid and plunder the country on behalf of the foreign bankers.
If it is built then all profits will simply be funneled to the foreign bankers as loan payments. Or it will be used as collateral for new loans with the intention that ownership be transfered to outside interests in the near future.
"Just because Greece is debt-ridden, this does not mean it is bound hand and foot, and has no independent foreign policy."
Those CRAZY Rooschians! How dare they think for themselves and act smart!
Well, we're just gonna haff to have PorkoSchwanko start bombing East Ukraine again....
To Greece,
Only time will tell if you make something of this or screw it up as well. You have made a decision to breakaway and have shown some self determination. I hope the idea of individualism and self determination infest your psyche. Stop asking for handouts and make something of yourself.
Good luck
What? What did we ever do to Greece to deserve this snub? Was it not our own fair-haired golden child, Goldman Sachs that helped them lie and cover up their financial troubles so they could get in the Euro and live well beyond their means for years? And this is how they repay us?
We need to rain some kinetic democracy down on those ungrateful Greek bastards.
We only drop freedumb bombs on people who have something of value like oil or gold. Olive oil and yogurt just won't cut it. Maybe we can send them a nice low budget tactical nuke.
For countries like Ukraine and possibly Greece and Macedonia, we buy ourselves color revolutions (cost: $5 billion plus Nuland's cookies).
...as jilted Uncle Scam becomes a creepy stalker.
OBAMA GOING TO BE SO MAD!
"OBAMA GOING TO BE SO MAD!"
I thought he was already mad.
.... only thing the fudgepacker cares about is its celebrity grand imperial golf lifestyle...
....I was gonna say he be honkin on BoBo on the back 9 but your way sounds more classy.....
Check. And what perfect timing to apply pressure to the Troika.
Not to mention, this would give Putin a voting proxy in NATO and the EU. And Greece gets control of the gas valve between Russia and Europe.
This isn't over yet. I hope Russia gets it because they ofer good terms and the Greeks get to keep their dignity.
but this do or die for the EU and US...and it won't be them who has to die.
I hope the Greeks have good security because the EU-US-NWO will murder to get what they want.
Greeks have milions of young unemployed, huge military arsenal without money to maintain, aprox xy % nacis , collapsing ecomony - ideal for new military junta (traditional) or even new conflict with Turkey
yeah, only the problem is that Greek Nazis are not quite Nazis but hardcore nationalists (meaning they hate the USA and bankers to the bone). It would be impossible to use them as a puppet, as they would get out of control much faster than those silly fools in Kiev. I heard one of their leaders say something like: "We have so many suicides in Greece and that is so sad and unnecessary. I would know how to solve it fast." "How?" "Well, some bombs placed in the banks...those are the ones who need to be eliminated." I kind of like that "Nazi" after this speech:-) Of course, they would also start purging the immigrants and that spoils my admiration. But those words: "Just some bombs to the banks..."
+1. The next few weeks may be even more exciting than anticipated. But even if the Greek government survives to sign that MOU, I'm expecting some massive hypocrisy about how the next government has the right--nay, the OBLIGATION--to void such agreements made by this government, while any/all agreements that traitor Papademos signed with Der Troika are sacrosanct.
Watch for the massive Greek corruption to follow.
I'd watch for a coup d'etat in Athens in the following months. Pieces are falling into place, the time is ripe...
"Watch for the massive Greek corruption to follow."
Bit late old chum, they were corrupted way way back......
Greece is harboring ISIS "terrorists," has WMDs, somewhere, and bought Niger "yellow-cake" in 3..2.. Or will it be another Red Flag Production starring Robbie Parker, Jeff Bauman, and the Paris "sidewalk policeman" in his first speaking role?
Zion cannot afford for their Greek fief to leave, as then all of their other fiefs may also try to leave. And you can't have a prosperous feudal kingdom with out subservient fiefs, vassals, and serfs.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
Six minutes...
Six minutes...
Six minutes Colin Powell you're on...the UN stage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDkqz5C62SM
Yellow cake with chocolate icing and little colored sprinkles. Yumm. :-)
The NSA rolodex will spin up the Greek "Majors" again and calls will be made.
The suggestion to think outside the ballot box will be floated and to go full US backed 1967 coup again.
If not the next generation of mil exports will not be offered and needed spare mil parts will not ship.
The NSA rolodex will spin up the Greek "Majors" again and calls will be made.
The suggestion to think outside the ballot box will be floated and to go full US backed 1967 coup again.
If not the next generation of mil exports will not be offered and needed spare mil parts will not ship.
Greeks are going to pay for this ... yields rise anyone?
http://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=BONDS&p=d1
Hah! Chump! You don't know who you're messing with!
Oh, yeah? I'll tell you who you're messing with, the USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
if greeks do sing the deal, in no time we will see again some terorist attack in makedonija or serbija from UCK
Putin is playing chess against us - and winning. So what if ISIS takes down Syria? Now with Turkey and Greece inside the Russian sphere, Russia now has a second tier of roadblocks against Middle Eastern natural gas reaching Europe. While not stopping any competing pipelines, the economic reality is that any 'new gas' from the Middle East -- if it ever gets there -- will likely tie into the Russian controlled pipeline and distribution system -- effectively giving Russia control over the Middle East natural gas. Thus Russia can levy a tax on this new Middle East natural gas, and can both literally and figuratively suck off either some of the gas or some of the profits. Well played, Mr.Putin!
NoWayJose if Russia abandons Syria then i'll turn on Russia as it will have shown itself to be like the USSofA in turning its back on an ally. Remember if Syria goes down Iran is surrounded by snakes and vipers. No Sodomy Arabia must fall and the rest of the shit crumbles.
http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-california-senate-approves-health-coverage-for-some-immigrants-here-illegally-20150602-story.html
The state Senate on Tuesday approved a hotly debated measure that would allow many immigrants in the country illegally to sign up for special healthcare programs that would offer the same benefits as Medi-Cal.
The action comes just days after lawmakers significantly scaled back the plan, which originally would have offered state-subsidized Medi-Cal to people in the country without authorization.
State Sen. Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens) said his proposal provides “what we can realistically achieve now” for the estimated 2 million people in the state illegally.
“We are talking about our friends. We are talking about our neighbors and our families who are denied basic healthcare in the richest state of this union,” Lara told his colleagues.
http://media.giphy.com/media/vWDrezW0rMjmM/giphy.gif
Is this not the same California which is billions of dollars in debt and is running out of water?
Yea, good fukn idea that the progressive liberal democraps should spend more and more on freebies for non taxpaying, non US citizens as well as an expensive train system connecting LaLa land with SF and Las Vegas instead of, God forbid, maybe something like more desalinization plants for WATER!!!! to help deal with their over built/over populated paradise built in a hot as hell fukn desert. California? Ain't life grand!!!
"Diapers and politicians should be changed frequently and for the same reason." Robin Williams in Man of the Year
I thought that was from Mark Twain
Greece and Turkey have ALWAYS been the problem. The solution, of course, is energy self-sufficiency, but if we did that, then how would the Global Oil Gods keep up their daughters' and girlfriends' jet-setting lifestyles?
“We do not considered them to be rivals. On the contrary, we think they both contribute to energy supply of European countries."
He's right. Azerbaijan doesn't have gas enough to cover the needs of the EU by far and away, so Russia is still needed as a major gas exporter.
Good for Greece. All they need is a little light at the end of a tunnel to escape the EU fascism.
Where is ketchup head John Kerry?
Vickey says fuck Greece.
He's plastered right now.
Whoever heard of saving a gelding with a broken leg.
"A horse is a horse of course, of course..."
Where is ketchup head John Kerry?
Alternative news sources say his "bike accident" was actually an assassination attempt and he is in critical condition . . . . one of his entourage was reportedly killed in the attack.
"Just because Greece is debt-ridden, this does not mean it is bound hand and foot, and has no independent foreign policy."
Frank & concise - without being bombastic. Perhaps Mr. Putin should consider using the '...and has no independent foreign policy' line to craft a similarly concise message to Frau Merkel...PUTIN reminds me of the Fonz....
and the EU as Creditors will try to somehow step in front of the payments?
I see some despearte MFs at the Anglo-American establishment with this announcement! Crete? NEXT... Turkey? NEXT... Italy? NEXT... Spain?... Ashes... Ashes... They all fall down!
No wonder Gerogy "Schwartz" Soros wants a World War in the heart of Eastern Europe? He's near death and he's watching his legacy literally going from oil to "shit" in a hurry!
@ Son of Captain Nemo
Strangely enough I cannot upvote you. Here I go + 1000
Ol' Hitler Youth is near death?
( drinks a toast )
No wonder Gerogy "Schwartz" Soros wants a World War in the heart of Eastern Europe? He's near death . . . .
Couldn't happen soon enough for me. If I could help him along to Hell, where he belongs, I would in a heartbeat.
Greece govt caught in huge narco money laundering ring in 3, 2, 1....
Consolation prize for Russia losing the 2018 World. Cup
Good for them, but....
The old English saying of "There's many a slip between the cup and the lip" comes to mind.
America has a broken leg in John Kerry, a broken promise in relation with Saud, a broken ethics in relation to Patriot Act and Nsa, a broken moneyline in FED print to infinity, a broken hand which has lost its invisibility in WS steroid pumped shenanigans and derivative scams, a frigid market in commodites and an insane Congress now pretending that debt is asset and bad is good for USA.
So a broken heart is the least of its current concerns. And Greece is moar grease on the flywheel of Casino games gone mad.
When was the last time an empire lost its head and stuck it you know where in deep denial?
Interesting interview that discusses a wide variety of topics, not just the Middle East. I loaded the transcript, and mp3 for download if you'd rather not watch the 25 minute YouTube clip.
"US-led coalition against ISIS in Iraq, Syria 'mistake' - Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov Bloomberg Interview"
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=467053
It is not just Putin but the whole fucking Russian attitude that really refreshing to hear.
In my view (and this is the first intrview that I heard in english) LAVROV is part of a terrific TEAM.
I can see George Soros going to make a lot of calls to his bitchez, Jack Lew.
Greeks and Turks will never cooperate on anything.
Personally i do not believe ANY of these Snide EU leaders.
Greece ( current .Gov) for example should have:-
1) Opened up the contract Goldman helped them pen on entry ( this would expose the treason )
2) Jailed Samaras & The Previous Government , pending . .
3) HUNG Papandreou
Will Spain try Rajoy that corrupt POS for treason?
SLAGS every fucking one of them.
Greece will go with Putin because he always slaughters the Americans on every move. Additionally, the Russian Federation is a BRICs member country and they have the wearwithall to get Greece into better circumstances. America has utilized the Greek people, and Greece, as their personal bitch for too long, and Greece is well aware of that, as is the rest of the World. American politicians are anal retentive, as are the American Banks, and banksters. Who in their right mind would craft a deal with an anal retentive sadist like Goldman Sachs, TBTF, American Gubberment, et cetera, when we all know that America is completely, and unequivocally, insolvent?
Go Putin go! He's the man in the room.
No debt's in rare form. Kinetic Democracy raining down. Ha! Funny.
My comment:
Greece is a sovereign country. Having debt outside of your law is a NO NO. Debt instruments that vector away from your law should be forbidden. I don't expect for modern economists to understand this because they are brainwashed.
Putin has it right, even though Greece is in debt they can still maneuver. All countries can invoke their sovereignty and tell international creditors "we are not going to pay for fraud." In most cases, debt instruments are fraud, and are demanding excessive and usurious gains.
Austerity is to grab real productive assets in exchange for fraud debts. The debt is canceled during the magick swap.
In this way, Greek people become debt-slave share croppers, in the land of their forefathers. Foreign Oligarchs then own Greece's means of production.
Same goes for citizens of the sovereign states currently comprising the USA. They should not consider themselves bound by the debts created by an out-of-control agent in Washington, D.C. which has illegally allowed a group of bankers to bankrupt the nation with a printing press.
Thank God, George Mason gave the states the option of an Article V convention at which they, and they alone, have the power to amend the their agent out of existence in the Constitution.
However, for this to happen, citizens of each state have to educate themselves, and their state legislatures, about the power that they have to radically change, or kill off, Washington, D.C. and then push their legislators to make it happen.
Otherwise, just like the airline attendant says, if the plane goes down, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.
However, for this to happen, citizens of each state have to educate themselves, . . .
Good fucking luck with that one . . . .
The Question is: What took them so long?
Go Putin and Xi beat the shit out of western banking families. Hey don't forget Soros.
>>> Greece will, if it can, participate in both initiatives.
If both Russian and Azerbaijan pipelines are built then there can be real price competition between them. And Turkey stands to gain enormously from that since Turkey has large domestic needs. It also means that moving energy hungry industry to the Greece/Turkey border (near the Turkish hub) will give that industrial plant a huge price advantage over industry elsewhere in the EU.
I am wonder how much gas Azer supply is in real?
watch Transnistria
Foreign Minister of Transnistria Nina Shtanski
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/foreign-minister-of-transnistria-nina.html
Certainly Saakashvili has been sent to try to stir up war in Transnistria.
But it is by no means certain the Chisnau will accomodate his wishes.
yes I think same
Odessians not liking this foreigner over them. Red ties appeared govt bldg and public places.
Doesn't Puti-poo on this photo look like Gavin Belson?
Same megalomaniacal delusionary character surrounded by a crew that's scared to tell them how thigs really are. One on TV, one in real life, with 8000 nukes.
Oh, and say "Buh-bye" to the 2018 World Cup in Russia. And even if it does take place in Russia, it will be a re-run of 1980 Olympics when nobody showed up.
yeh, like Sochi....
weak troll
That is an unwarranted insult to all self-respecting trolls everywhere (:-(
Why don't you jump, little Ukrtroll?
ukrains people are screwd for shure now....
without oil(stealing) ukrain is worse than afganistan
They were screwed the second they became Obama's bitch. It's like joining up with General Custer just before Little Big Horn.
"Plan to sign"
Posturing then. Well done to Syriza for trying to find some chips to play with though.
They need the cash. If the EU doesn't deliver, they will default, sign, and go to the Russians.