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Cold War 2.0 Heats Up: Washington Dusts Off Russia "Containment" Plans
The “ceasefire” — if you can call it that — that has been in place in Ukraine since February’s Minsk Accord has fallen apart this week with the fiercest fighting in months claiming dozens of lives and prompting President Petro Poroshenko to launch a media blitz in an attempt to rally the West against what he claims is a renewed offensive by Russian-backed separatists.
Russian media contends the separatists were only defending themselves after they began to take artillery fire. Ukraine, by contrast, claims its soldiers came under attack by rebel tanks. “We had some storming action by between 500 and 1,000 servicemen of the militants, with a large number of tanks and armored machinery, apparently counting on being able to quickly capture Maryinka,” Poroshenko said.
Now, Ukraine is stepping up calls for Washington to send lethal aid to Kiev, casting the conflict as a war on Western, democratic values. Here’s The NY Times:
In what amounted to a multidimensional confidence-building campaign, President Petro O. Poroshenko of Ukraine tried on Friday to rally international support for his country and to maintain pressure on President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, including economic sanctions.
Mr. Poroshenko held a major news conference, gave interviews to foreign journalists, spoke by phone with President Obama and Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, and prepared to welcome two visiting prime ministers to Kiev, Shinzo Abe of Japan and Stephen Harper of Canada..
“We will defend our country, our territorial integrity and our independence by ourselves,” Mr. Poroshenko said in an interview with journalists from a small group of foreign news organizations, including The New York Times. “We have weapons for that. But unfortunately we are fighting with the weapons from the 20th century, from the time of the Soviet Union, against the Russian — most modern — weapons of the 21st century.”
He added, “Here we are defending freedom, we are defending democracy, we are defending European values, and the actual reason of this war is the right of the Ukrainian people to live under European standards, with European values, in the European Union.”
To be sure, this is an opportune time for Poroshenko to appeal to the US and its allies for assistance (which makes last week's Russian "offensive" seem rather convenient). President Obama will attend a G-7 summit in Germany this weekend and will now come equipped with 'evidence' to support calls for stepped up sanctions on Russia. Obama may be seeking to rally support ahead of what looks to be a major strategy shift in realtions between NATO and Moscow. WSJ has more:
Obama administration officials are considering new deterrence strategies to rein in Russian meddling in Europe, in what some say would amount to an updated version of Cold War-era containment.
The proposed approach involves beefing up the militaries of allies and would-be partners and rooting out government corruption, which they see Moscow exploiting to gain more influence.
Some administration officials also want to expand the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to limit Moscow’s orbit. Membership for Ukraine or Georgia remains off the table, but some Pentagon and administration officials are advocating admitting the small Balkan country of Montenegro to solidify the country’s ties to the West and show that Mr. Putin doesn’t have a veto over alliance expansion.
The longer-term measures under discussion, officials say, stem from a recognition that Moscow has refused to moderate its posture after its territorial grab last year in Ukraine, and that U.S. and European attempts at diplomacy and sanctions alone won’t be enough to force a change. Those measures would include stepping up training for European allies to help partner militaries resist the kinds of so-called hybrid tactics—like training surrogate forces and conducting snap border exercises—that Russia has used effectively in Ukraine.
The impetus toward a policy shift also is driven by the conclusion that U.S. steps to reassure regional allies must be bolstered by other measures against possible Russian intrusions.
The Pentagon also is drafting plans for where to position new stocks of military equipment for use in a crisis or for stepped-up training exercises. That would entail additional U.S. troops assigned to rotating duty in the region. But Washington remains opposed, for now, to rebuilding permanent U.S. troop formations in Europe.
The administration is accelerating work on new military technologies to better counter Russian military advances and try to offset advances by Moscow, and deter Russia from using its increasing military prowess.
The policy deliberations are gaining momentum. On Friday, Mr. Carter gathered a group of military leaders in Stuttgart, Germany, to discuss the broader U.S. strategy to Russia..
Inside the White House, meanwhile, the National Security Council is at work on an overhaul of its Russia strategy that formally casts aside the policy of “reset” that dominated Mr. Obama’s first term.
The only thing being "reset" now, it appears, is the Cold War.
For its part, Moscow says Kiev "constantly" threatens to violate the ceasefire and refuses to engage in constructive dialogue.
From The Guardian:
“All agreements should be fully implemented so that no one is able to derail fragile progress by resuming military activity,” the Russian foreign ministry wrote on its Twitter feed, quoting minister Sergei Lavrov. “We must know who is shelling communities, thereby violating not only the Minsk agreements, but also international humanitarian law.”
Lavrov blamed Kiev for this week’s upsurge in fighting.
“The February Minsk agreements are constantly under threat because of the actions of the Kiev authorities, trying to walk away from their obligations to foster direct dialogue with Donbass,” he said.
While it's impossible to accurately assess the fluid situation on the ground, what does seem clear is that neither side has the will (or even the desire) to deescalate the conflict.
For Washington, now seems like a particularly inopportune time to begin dusting off Cold War containment policies and ratcheting up the war rheotric with Russia. The US is already engaged in a tense war of words with China over the latter's land reclamation projects in the South China Sea, and all signs point to boots on the ground in Iraq (and eventually Syria) by year end. Once again, US foreign policy now revolves squarely around the projection of military prowess.
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(a video from The Guardian shows gunbattles in Eastern Ukraine)
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Russia is about to take another major step towards liberating the Ruble from the Dollar System. Its Finance Ministry just revealed it is considering issuing Russian state debt in Chinese Yuan. That would be an elegant way to decouple from the dependence and blackmail pressures from the US Treasury financial terrorism operations while at the same time strengthening the bonds between China and Russia–Washington’s worst geopolitical nightmare.
http://journal-neo.org/2015/06/06/russia-gets-very-serious-on-de-dollarizing/
This is a real shitshow.
USA has become what the Soviets could only have hoped for themselves 30 years ago.
what an absolute farce. Who writes the copy for this crap?
US Polo Association?!
We chukka'ed some folks.
And where is John Kerry?
Beau Biden dies of "brain cancer" on May 30th, Kerry falls off his bike the next day and gets repatriated in a c-17.
Shit's getting personal. When the elite start dropping find a safe place to honker down.
Some day Mr. John Kerry is put out to greener pasture... a better NEIGHborhood, where horse sh*t is more to liking, and maybe US policy no longer is saddle with dogma of left.
... Boris is apologize for lurching humor of English pun.
Gonna be here.
https://youtu.be/8fxycA9qKj4
Feats Don't Fail Me Now
Glad to see you again, Boris!
After accidental to fill vodka flask with Ethylene Glycol, Boris is just glad to see, period!
I was worried about the tar pit!
Lurch didn't fall off any bike
He is recovering from an assassination attempt
Think the mossadomites were not amused with the Iran talks?
Don't tell me the humane killer misfired.
Or the bolt couldn't penetrate the plastic surgery.
meh, doubtful.
Why kill the Secretariat of State anyway, no great rush, Hillary or one of the GOP slaves ot Zion will come in and be so compliant.
No rush, it's not like Iran actually has or is working on nukes, you know.
Maybe he took a bullet in the knee?
Kerry lite will save the day in the form of Canada's be-hated PM heir harper. He will bolster Perishenko's one sided ego and put down Putin as the bad boy on the block. Of course his Ukraine/Kharzarian wife has cut him off until he brings home the bacon. Alberta needs to get ride of their contaminated tar sands and Obama is playing hard to get on this pipeline nonsense...
harper is such an embarrasement. Just another USSA stooge.
By Niles Williamson5 June 2015
US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter is meeting today at the headquarters of the US European Command in Stuttgart, Germany with two dozen US military commanders and European diplomats to discuss how to escalate their economic and military campaign against Russia. They will assess the impact of current economic sanctions, as well as NATO’s strategy of exploiting the crisis in eastern Ukraine to deploy ever-greater numbers of troops and military equipment to Eastern Europe, threatening Russia with war.
A US defense official told Reuters that the main purpose of the meeting was to “assess and strategize on how the United States and key allies should think about heightened tensions with Russia over the past year.” The official also said Carter was open to providing the Ukrainian regime with lethal weapons, a proposal which had been put forward earlier in the year.
Most provocatively, a report published by the Associated Press yesterday reports that the Pentagon has been actively considering the use of nuclear missiles against military targets inside Russia, in response to what it alleges are violations of the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty. Russia denies US claims that it has violated the INF by flight-testing ground-launched cruise missiles with a prohibited range.
Three options being considered by the Pentagon are the placement of anti-missile defenses in Europe aimed at shooting Russian missiles out of the sky; a “counterforce” option that would involve pre-emptive non-nuclear strikes on Russia military sites; and finally, “countervailing strike capabilities,” involving the pre-emptive deployment of nuclear missiles against targets inside Russia
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/06/05/ukra-j05.html
Nukes work every time they are tried.
Yep, those crazies in the Pentagon are going to get us all killed. Literally.
. . . becoming really tired of all this chutzpah and ready to embrace death. Not before i earmark a dozen folks who i want to depart this gig before me.
So Jade Helm could be seen as moving assets into areas less likely to be hit in a retaliatory strike.
Fortifying the homeland and rebuilding the empire could begin in Midland, TX.
Ain't shit going on in ky. Must be ground zero . Tho our local ng unit went out. But it's a support group . Took the tanks away 20 yrs + ago. No Blackhawks . No chinooks. H500 nuthin in the air like normal around herez
Poroshenko sounds reasonable to me. After all, the bloody coup against the democratically elected president was a long time ago. I am certain that the European values he speaks of, do not include his troops crucifying and burning a rebel or lynching a nearly full term pregnant woman. If he was aware of it, I'll bet he would condemn his troops for shelling residential areas, too. Sometimes you just have to fight for your European values, no matter how fearsome the foe.
And Russians came all the way from Russia to suppress an LGBT parade in Kiev. They dressed as neo-Nazis too, just to make Ukraine look bad.
And in their packs they all had DVDs of American History X
"...Jade Helm could be seen as moving assets into areas less likely to be hit in a retaliatory strike."
If the retaliatory strike consists of multiple high altitude EMP bursts, then unless the assets and supporting infrastructure are EMP-hardened it won't matter where they are located, they'll still be toast.
I was thinking human assets. Someone has to wield the sticks and stones after all.
maybe but I tend to not think so. I think you're looking at a scenario where infantry, armor and artillery directly encounter an army that can and will fight back - the Syrian Arab Army supported by Iranians, Lebanese, and probably some under the counter Russian {and possibly Chinese} tech/log help.
US special forces, including combat controllers are tired, stretched thin, and largely not buying it. The Marines would be swallowed up by that hornet's nest. But there's no reason not to throw a bunch of reservists and national guard into the fray and see what happens.
See, the idea most people have is "we" [the .gov, i.e. the Deep State] want 'victory'. The very stupid believe the shit about Assad being a tyrant who should be replaced by... people a million times worse.
But simply fucking up Iraq and Syria is perfectly fine, even better, for the Zionists. Cook up an escuse for Lebanon next, the press will promote the Jewish/Zionist version, as fucking always, and your cousin with the beer gut who's still, somehow, in reserves, may be deployed to the ME to support a more direct intervention to take out Syria and Lebanon before the real war on Iran commences.
Of course, the same people will turn up the heat in Ukraine hoping to draw in Ivan, but Ivan will not give them the fight they want to have.
Neocons aren't fucking "smart" you know... I mean, not in terms of real world strategy and tactics. Just read their fucking theses and policy papers. They're ethnocentric academics who've lived in a fucking bubble. They're beyond arrogant, beyond careless with human life. They don't deserve "justice," anymore. They deserve - punishment.
Abashed the Devil stood; and felt how awful Goodness is.
Well step up to the plate there Casey and take a swing, they don't actually run things but you Russians and their imps won't see that until you're all the way into the trap.
stikes me as a foolish tat you bother to spout your unexamined nonsense .
Russia will retaliate first.
This kind of propaganda, to frighten and terrify the population, is much more effective on the citizens of West than it is on the Russians. Very few Russians will even see it, as very few Americans ever see Russian propaganda.
If the Pentagon truly believes stories like this will start a conspiracy to remove Putin from office, one is left wondering how the US ever managed to defeat Granada.
A variation on three card monte. Two really stupid alternatives and a third alternative of "give us more money for more hardware."
The Saker's take: http://thesaker.is/is-the-pentagon-really-preparing-to-nuke-russia-hint-no/
This of interest from The Saker Interviews Paul Craig Roberts (March 24, 2015:
The Saker: What are, in your opinion, the roots of the hatred of so many members of the US elites for Russia? Is that just a leftover from the Cold War, or is there another reason for the almost universal russophobia amongst US elites? Even during the Cold War, it was unclear whether the US was anti-Communist or anti-Russian? Is there something in the Russian culture, nation or civilization which triggers that hostility and, if yes, what is it?
Paul Craig Roberts: The hostility toward Russia goes back to the Wolfowttz Doctrine:
“Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.”
While the US was focused on its MidEast wars, Putin restored Russia and blocked Washington’s planned invasion of Syria and bombing of Iran. The “first objective” of the neocon doctrine was breached. Russia had to be brought into line. That is the origin of Washington’s attack on Russia. The dependent and captive US and European media simply repeats “the Russian Threat” to the public, which is insouciant and otherwise uninformed.
The offense of Russian culture is also there–Christian morals, respect for law and humanity, diplomacy in place of coercion, traditional social mores–but these are in the background. Russia is hated because Russia (and China) is a check on Washington’s unilateral uni-power. This check is what will lead to war.
If the Russians and Chinese do not expect a pre-emptive nuclear attack from Washington, they will be destroyed.
http://thesaker.is/the-saker-interviews-paul-craig-roberts/
The Jewish-Zionist element of the war on Russia may not be, in this case, predominant, but it is a major factor.
Zbig and others are fucking dinosaurs, but the Ziopaths look at Russia and see supporting of Iran, ergo, Syria and Lebanon, which frustrates the Oded Yinon/Greater Israel plan and the planned mass expulsion, and second ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
Of course, Israel thinks its nukes are protection against receiving any justice at all. But they need energy. And clean water.
And they can't nuke close to their own borders.
Netanyahu may well be the Antichrist. I'm not an Abrahamic, of course, but you know what I mean. The best thing that could happen for the regular people of both Israel and Palestine would be if he inexplicably fell into a coma or illness.
The problem is always the extreme 10% on either side. But in Israel, even a lot of the moderates would be deemed riht wing and racist were they in Europe. But because they're Israelis, and Jews, they are not given the label of "right wing" or racist -out of the normal fears and privileges attendant to being able to dismiss and squelch even per se reasonable and fair criticism with "anti-Semite!" That fucking words was shield, and became sword, and may ultimately become chains when they are thrown overboard by the super wealthy 'elite'.
jmo, of course. I dream of simultaneous coups in which 'moderate' spooks and .mil ejects and arrests certain leaders and declares universal ceasefire and talks, etc. Crazy, but, jesus, guys in cia and mossad have families, they aren't all crazy or bloodthirsty and some of them must be wondering what we're being led into by ultra nationalists, and the banking dynasties and such.
I also hope against hope that space aliens being announced by the Vatican thing ends up being right. Malachy, purportedly {seems to have been a fake from 250+ years later based on the Hiberno-Latin, I've read} said no more popes after Francis.
Survey says the Likudnik Zio-Jews {a minority, of the juice, but an irksome one} try to kill him with a Sirhan for the modern age - an Iranian, or maybe 'Hezbollah' because that' something stupid fucks would believe. What if they try to do it, or do do it... but are caught?
How is there any chance of peace in a world where the US wants to dominate, the Zios want Greater Israel [which will rule the US through proxies/sayanim] and a transnational elite NWO {with an embedded ZWO parasite they can't ablate} wants to destroy the cultural heritage and ethnic makeup of Europe and create world government and currency?
Why with all the crazy people I've come across in my life, many who "get it" is no one lone wolfing some shit/
Where are the guys who will get Project Mayhem going against the fucking lizard people?
[I've had a drink or two, pardon my meandering prose].
Netanyahu is actually relatively moderate in the current Zionist regime in Israel.
frightening, ain't it?
And the US don't think that would get heavy retaliation from this or do the US have some sort of magical barrier that stop any nuke missile effect be it mechanical pressure or radiation effect.
Well the full-blown recession is here, my friends.
There is not enough popcorn for the Ukraine, the South China Sea, and the Greek Default.
We'll have to start rationing it.
they might as well unintern Patton.
OH FFS... In the 'Reagan Years' I might have been motivated by this (asshole as I was in those dayz)...
But now?
Might as well be trying to bring back the JANE FONDA WORKOUT & CLUBBER LANG...
Remember that Russia as also an Asian country:
https://youtu.be/U_eZmEiyTo0?t=226
So the U.S. Is going to put weapons stocks close to Ukraine. Guess we'll see those in the hands of the rebels pretty soon. In that way, we arm everyone. WTF?
With this great Internet thing and our great fucking transparent 'representative' government you'd think we'd have a web based voting app that allowed the actual taxpayers to vote for these great ideas that are hatched in DC.
FUCK YOU!
Voting?
Ha, ha, fuck that, ha, ha.
Honestly, don't you think that voting has done enough harm, already?
My money is on the farmers and miners of DPR and LPR like Givi and Motorola. The "rebels" aka NovoRussians have a lot of guts. If Porkyshenko akak Shlomo Walzman and Soros lacky Yats start another big battle - the Ukraine will surrender the balance of their weapons to LPR/LPR in another Cauldron.
I respect the NovoRussians. Kiev and Washington DC are filled with scum.
"Shlomo Walzman"
+1
'ElderofZyklon'
+ 1
:-)
And in other news.....the forecast highs for the near future will be close to 5000° celsius.
followed by a long nuclear winter
Still trying to figure out why Ukraine is a vital strategic interest to the United States.
Anyone?
Hunter Biden
it denies Russia Crimea and the Black Sea
You should ask yourself the question "Why is the Black Sea region an area of strategic interest to the United States?" beccause it was not deemed so during the Cold War.
Because it is a warm water port for its navy? For repairs in winter
Murmansk and Vladivostok just don't compare to Pearl Harbor and Norfolk.
LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION :)
PS during the Cold War we enjoyed mutual assured destruction
"We don't need no stinking bases."
bid,
you are still missing the point.
put the shoe on the other foot.
e.g. - should San Diego be a point of "strategic interest" for Russia to control?
Not at all.
The US has so many naval bases up and down their two coasts, what does Russia obtain by taking one of them out. On the other hand Russia only has a few: a few in the north Pacific, one broken down one in Tartus, Syria a country the US is razing, a couple of frigid ones in the Arctic, a couple in Kaliningrad and another at the Petersburg end of the gauntlet of the Finland Gulf.
If you had said the western locks of the Panama Canal, I might agree but even then, the Russian are not going to waste time and assets fighting America in a conventional war or a limited nuclear war, In a war of attrition Russia can not defeat America. So conventional or limited nuclear wars are exactly what the Pentagon wants.
Right now the nature of the game is tit for tat. From there it goes nuclear
And while the Pentagon would like to take it up a notch to a conventional war on Ukrainian soil, the Russians aren't taking the bait. Either it stays 'tit for tat' or Ekaterina bar the door.
The US Army still thinks it can draw Russia into a ground war in Donbass. They won't learn
your assessment is slightly incorrect .
Only slightly. I don't doubt it.
Perhaps you'll enlighten me Sunday..
............well firstly what you have mentioned about your leaders promising of shooting down russian nuke in europe before reaching usa mainland is a complete farce . secondly usa can beat russia in attrition war only via nato full participation and sorry to say but europeans are aint that stupid warmongers like yanks that they will rusk an all out war . without nato usa cannot beat russia in attrition warfare a fact . with SCO and csto developing and forming a strong bloc in future maybe the chances for nato will also reduce to defeat eaatern side via attrition warfare . thirdly american nukes are not enough to turn russia into dust whereas russian deployed nukes are enough to turn usa into radioactive dust .russian military assets are scattered everywhere and they are not confined to only moscow or st.petersburg . Russia is twice the size of usa . if you will add two usa together you will obtain one russia . now usa nuclear strength is nominal meanwhile russian nuclear strength is btwn strong and very strong . if you think usa can play games bby stationing their ineffective ahields and cruise missiles in baltics russia can play even amore deadly game simply by placing their ew systems in cuba venezuela nicaragua which will render usa mainland nukes and by placing irbm , iksanders , cruise missiles in cuba to target ussa . usa defense are not that effective against russian missiles who lead in both missile and electronic tech in this world even ahead of yanks . they are the first one who invented and used electronic warfare in a war against japs . yes russia lacks warm warer ports thats why they didnt give up crimea . location is unfavorable for both if ussa can play against russia by placing their expensive stuff in baltics russia can do the same by placing the required stuff and in large numbers ( due to cost) in latin american countries close to usa . the only differnece is that Russians wants to defend their territory andtheris sphere of influence in Eurasia whereas ussa are mad douchebags who think they can neutralize the whole earth by their military might .
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Don't underestimate Pres. Peace Prize's ambition
Okay.
During the "cold war" 'peak oil' had not yet become household words. Some of us are convinced that the low price of oil today has nothing to do wirh a glut of the stuff, rather it represents the 6 year recessionary decline in demand.
Given the location of the Russian land mass, the Black Sea region is the transit point between Middle Eastern and Caspian oil producers and their pipelines and the European consumer and their pipes.
Pipes will have to be laid on the floor of the Black Sea.
Better?
Because of the hot women.
Ask ol' uncle Biden about his strategic interest:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/joe-biden-heads-ukraine-...
They don't have ladies like that in Scranton!
Putin has Jack Burton's avatar, the Prosecutie
We"ve got Cankles and her waddle
crazy... .Tymoshenko is terrible suka....
not tall at all as article tell and no beauty
Perhaps 'Uncle Joe' Biden just has a thing for insane trendsetting women.
http://s020.radikal.ru/i711/1407/21/fc2d9289041c.jpg
AW, come on Volk, she's a little long in the tooth and worse for the wear now, but 20 years ago, you want to tell me you wouldn't tap that ass?
Spit-Roast that Nazi Bitch!
Which One?
Both of THEM.
Delivers a means to divide Europe from Russia (and indirectly China) and break the rapidly growing 'EuroAsian' trading block. Such a block if it developed further would, as a consequence of geography, marginalise the US and also marginalise the US Navy as trade would be increasingly conducted via land routes, pipes and rail infrastructure. A EurAsian block would also continue to develop its own financial and investment structures outside those that are manipulated by Washington and London. It is another chapter of the 'great game'. I reckon we will all die as the US will not accommodate this development.
"Ukrainian people to live under European standards, with European values, in the European Union." Clearly Poroshenko doesn't know that Eurozone is a sinking ship.
The economic collapse is closer than ever and soon there will be not petrodollars to support all the millitary bases abroad and when that day comes the war will be fought it in the streets of every major US cities, the American people against the traitors who once hijacked this great nation. Amen.
The Do-or-Die, Put-Up-Or-STFU trigger event is...
IF/when the BRICS, or Russia and China as a minimum, back their currency with Gold, or with a resilient basket of PME's (Precious Materials Equivalents): Gold, Platinum, Palladium, Silver, Titanium, Processed/Enriched Uranium).
Bammy gon' git dat thord torm!
Before we all pack up and be dropped somewhere, in some desperate land like Ukraine we do not know shit about, to defend American freedom and liberty, here are samples of what actually is going on there recently devoid of Western censorship. Some with English translation some in Russian but there is no need to explain it is all clear.
For months Donetsk was shelled by Ukrainian army from area of Marinka located south west of Donetsk in violation of Minsk II agreement.
Aftermath of shelling of Donetsk and testimony of witnesses and victims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=14&v=xeThlu52Gw8
LAST 72 hours in Donbas DNR decided to provide protection for their people being killed and wounded for months with complete silence from the west:
Marinka village; DNR military operation to push back Kiev artillery beyond the range of city of Donetsk. Video from GoPro mounted on tanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-rV0Ew7Hs
DNR snipers in Marinka:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSok4WWRjB0
DNR Insurgents; Fighting in the streets in Marinka.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp6GSNTMFMU
Insurgents under attack of Ukrainian with artillery weapons prohibited by Minsk II. Dukatchevska/Marinka village.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=51&v=yFwlIAWwpL8
and here is general historic context of all of this mess.
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/2015/01/18/ukraine-no-country-for-no-man/
Interesting comment from final link
"*Note that there is no binding border TREATY between Russia and Ukraine at this point. The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances (1994) was a political act related to nuclear proliferation and therefore not legally binding in terms of international law. Which means that it is in force as long as all parties of the agreement politically support it. Even threat of reintroducing nuclear weapons to Ukraine, which Kiev government already expressed would be enough for Russia to unilaterally remove her guaranties for territorial integrity of Ukraine."
Stretch the U.S. on two fronts (Ukraine & South China Sea), while it dithers in a 3rd (Syria). Then comes the ($economic) knee-capping... If one didn't know any better, one could suggest that Russia & China perhaps have an effective 'plan' here.
The Vatican needs to make Putin a saint for the restraint he has shown against these zio-kocksucker criminals. Me, I'd have turned the state of israel into molten glass and taken out all of its foreign agents the world over by now.
Mr. Putin is amazing. I would've turned US a radiative waste land already.
Putin's clever enough to know that Americans are just donkeys being driven to their death by the zio komizars.
Indeed Americans don't need a foreign country to kill them, they are doing it very well themselves especially with all those chemicals in food and Monsanto GMO "food"...
State Department is running the show...
Whitehouse is running the show...
Which of these is the fifth column? All these is happening while the MIC is bankrupting the USA and the middle class dissapears, seems we're seeing an empire decline in our lifetime. No Shiii**
"Cold War 2.0 Heats Up: Washington Dusts Off Russia "Containment" Plans"
It's about time!
In recent years they have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, bombed Pakistan, Libya, Syria, and Yemen, and overthrown Libya, Egypt (twice), and the Ukraine, and sponsored civil wars in the Sudan and the Ukraine.
And they fly drones all over the world bombing and killing schools and wedding parties.
They certainly need "contained."
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
Something of extreme importance no one in the media is talking about is that the US has a "first strike" nuclear policy. The plan is to launch BEFORE the other side. That's a very dangerous idea because the only reasonable strategy for the other side is to launch before the US does. This makes a nuclear war much more likely. We may have a rush for the button.
@6170587
FWIW: Is the Pentagon really preparing to nuke Russia? (Hint: no!)
Yes, they are always preparing for nuclear war.
Now that George W Bush is wiping his ass with the ABM treaty (when he is sober enough) and there is moar war talk on the internet than there was in the first reel of GWTW, the chance of a full menu of nuclear missiles being launched is greater now than at any time before Nixon signed the ABM treaty in 1972.
My question is to the nerds in Zerohedge physics club. We've been told how fabulous the Patriot missile is and with a preemptive strike on Christmas Eve (like you-know-who), Russia's response ballistic missiles will barely make it over Warsaw, Berlin, Brussels, before being brought down.
My question is what happens to all that radioactive material, denied the same-sex, polygamous marriage of critical mass, blown to kingdom come by the Patriot missile and then the premature ignition of the unused fuel in the last stages of the Russian missile carrying its atomic load?
Several thousand pounds of it will be exploded into the atmosphere. (Not to mention the hundreds of ballistic missiles that did get through to do their thang.)
Will everything be a mess for a long time or will the War Party put on their hazmat suits and get it all ship shape in a week or two?
Crack don't smoke itself.
my point exactly.
Is Bush still President?
Who is the pygmy living in the White House with the Watusi wife?
surprised at the junks, yet not surprised. fair questions.
and of course, the patriots are not going to down most of what Vlad would lob.
Porochenko. Fat Man in a little coat.
A smoking jacket 10mm. Fry that Fat Fuck of Pork Liver Belly with a Choco Glaze.
My buddies and I get together for Friday 420: bourbon and bong rips
Things turned to politics and one of my pals said something about putting Putin in his place
I took a toke and a sip...
I replied: Transnistria
Friends: who ? What?
I said: the first time you hear about Transnistria on National Pentagon Radio or some presstitute rag like NYT or Kardashian Post you will know that World War III has begun
A little splinter of land that makes 1914 Sarajevo look like Paris
Apparently the Russians have moved special forces into Transnistria. Not sure how they did that as the Ukraine claims the border is closed.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/transnistria-another-front-in-civil...
@Nexus789
They didn't need to smuggle them in bc they have been there since 1991
Any two pronged Moldovan/Ukronazi attack on Transnistria will kill Russian special forces a la Georgia 2008
The requisite Russian retaliation assures sanction renewal. Timing of this belligerence is not accidental
There are 50,000 fully trained reservists in Transnistria, along with massive Soviet era weapons caches. The caches amount to 20,000 tons. The west has been pressuring Russia to remove them for a long time. The west boundary of Transnistria is largely along the substantial river Dniester. The Moldovan military isn't very substantial. However, if the SHTF, then Romania make take the opportunity to take over Moldova and have a go at the Russia supporters in Transnistria. Romania is in NATO, so this would then quickly involve all NATO, then kaboom.
half of Moldova wouldnt mind being part of Romania, and the last thing Romania would do is fuck with Ivan, even if NATO says pretty please with sugar on top...
Hungary is interesting - disproportionately Jewish-Zionist role in commie takeover and repression and recent governments. Very unusual, wink wink, but the rank and file are another matter.
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Something like this?
http://savepic.ru/7147546.jpg
If true the idiots in the Pentagon and Washington are truly deluded and appear to be playing the game as if there are no other players on the pitch. Any attack on Russia will result in a massive retaliation. They are not going to fight a conventional war. Their revised military doctrine explicitly states this.
Have nukes been un-invented?
Boris is back. I salute him.
The first 45 years of my life was lived under the shadow the Cold War. I remember the drills in the first grade ducking under the table during exercises for nuclear attack.
The thought of the US and its totally captured anglosphere and EU vassals resurrecting the Cold War makes me feel physically nauseous.
The evil the West committed during the Cold War was immense. Since 1990 the US and its vassals have caused the death of at least three millions. The US is a rogue state, and unless it is defeated or exhausted it will lead the world to ruin.
I don't know what to do or where to go yet but I cannot live here with what I see coming. How can one live in a state the rationalizes mass murder?
I remember those drills. Hiding under your wooden desk. We were to innocent to see through the fog.
A/V hour contained film reels of nuclear cold war bombing, missiles, and dismemberment of people after the nuclear apocalypse.
Clearly this has come directly from the Onion, via the WSJ (which recently also published Hilsenrath's lament about the stingy US middle class buggering up the Fed's judicious plans by not spending).
"The proposed approach involves . . . rooting out government corruption". Now I know the US government has a lot of hands-on experience with corruption, and probably figures this will be a job for Hill and Bill after they have worked over FIFA. But do you think the leading politicians throughout the EU are going to be open to a US directed program to weed out the corruption upon which they rely.
Of course on the basis that whatever governments say they usually do the opposite, this is really code for "MOAR corruption", funded by the US to buy some more open handed European politicians and generals.
Ukraine’s Tragicomedy: Made in the USA | Antiwar.com
by Justin Raimondo, June 05, 2015
Remember that “imminent” Russian invasion of Ukraine that was supposed to take place over a year ago? Well, it’s still “imminent”!
President Poroshenko has just announced that the Russians are about to undertake a “full-scale” invasion of his country and that therefore the military budget must be increased, while “traitors” who refuse to be drafted – and who persist in criticizing his government – must be dealt with harshly.
While demonstrators ring the Parliament almost daily in Kiev, Poroshenko beats the war drums to drown out their protests, citing the “colossal threat” posed by that ever-imminent Russian blitz. Of course it’s just a coincidence that the upcoming G-7 summit – from which the Russians are being pointedly excluded – is sure to feature the familiar war propaganda aimed at the Kremlin.
While the Western media is giving us the usual pro-Kiev spin, echoing Poroshenko’s accusations that renewed fighting was started by the rebels, the OSCE monitors tell a different story: apparently the fighting began with shelling of rebel-held villages by the Ukrainian army, with at least 19 killed. If you click on the OSCE link, note two interesting facts: 1) The monitors insist on putting scare quotes around all mentions of the rebel entities and official titles, and 2) The report also describes a number of protests in government-held territory, mostly directed against official corruption and soaring prices. The natives are getting restless.
In Ukraine, where tragedy and comedy are inextricably linked, there’s never a dull moment: the latest tragicomedy is the news that Poroshenko has appointed former Georgian strongman Mikheil Saakashvili as the new governor of Odessa. Saakashvili and his gang were forced to flee Georgia when they were kicked out of office by outraged voters. Saakashvili fled the country when charges linked to his violent 2007 crackdown on street protesters were brought against him. He was also charged with embezzling government funds for his own personal use. The New York Times details the charges ...
US aid continues to pour into Ukraine, a portion of which will doubtless include more “massages” for the new governor of Odessa. Also pouring into that war-torn country are US military “advisors.” Their mission is to train Ukraine’s army of conscripts and neo-Nazi volunteers, who have been pathetically inept when faced with the determined residents of east Ukraine.
While the Poroshenko regime continues to arrest dissident journalists, jail “draft-dodgers,” and drive out opposition politicians (many of whom have “committed suicide” under very dicey circumstances), the intrepid defenders of Ukrainian “democracy” in America and Europe plumb for a confrontation with Russia.
New York Times columnist and unapologetic Iraq war supporter Roger Cohen is the latest entry in the Putin-is-Hitler sweepstakes, comparing the scheduled 2018 World Cup in Russia to the 1936 Berlin Olympics, and bewailing the West’s ongoing defeat in Ukraine. There was no mention of Munich in his overwrought polemic, but I’m sure that was just an oversight.
Meanwhile, in spite of the widely-condemned Russian “aggression” in Crimea, there is still not even a hint of rebellion by its inhabitants: perhaps this has something to do with the history of the region, which was Russian from the time of Catherine the Great up until when Nikita Khrushchev handed it over to Ukraine in 1951, during the Soviet era.
Unlike tranquil Crimea, east Ukraine is in blood-stained turmoil, with the inhabitants refusing to buckle under to rule from Kiev. This may have something to do with the merciless pounding they have taken from the Ukrainian military, which has murdered thousands of civilians in aerial bombardments of cities and towns. Kiev’s attitude toward its citizens in the eastern part of the country was succinctly summed up by Poroshenko, who famously declared:
“Our children will go to school, to kindergarten, while theirs’ will hole up in basements. This is how we will win this war!”
His statement has got to be the first time in recorded history that a government leader has boasted about targeting children in wartime. M..
Poroshenko and his US backers are determined to sink the Minsk accord, brokered by the Germans, which has kept a shaky truce intact until now. But with the internal political and economic situation in Ukraine coming to a boil, and Kiev’s rapidly ballooning debt threatening to bring down the regime, Poroshenko needs a diversion – a new external “crisis” – to bring in more Western aid and direct rising popular anger at the Russian bogeyman.
Although I don’t know how much credence to give to these hacked emails, supposedly between billionaire George Soros and Poroshenko, it’s not exactly shocking if the former is indeed lobbying the Federal Reserve to swap out Ukraine’s burgeoning debt. We always knew US taxpayers would foot the staggering bill.
Soros has long been a major player in the Balkans, acting to counter Russian influence, protect his own considerable investments, and gin up conflict wherever he can. He was a major source of funding for pro-war front groups during the Kosovo war, and he’s playing the same role these days. As a major source of money for the Democratic party, Soros is bound to have a decisive influence over the restored Clinton administration – and this will be a point of unity between the two major parties, as the neocons in charge of the GOP have also been agitating for a showdown with Putin.
The major threat to Poroshenko’s government isn’t the Russians, or the easterners, but his own people, who are chafing under the burden of imposed austerity and suffering greatly. With the outright fascists like Right Sector and its allies waiting in the wings, Poroshenko’s Western backers would be loath to accept his probable successor should the “Chocolate King” fall.
That’s why, as I noted here, they’re ginning up yet another manufactured “crisis” in neighboring Macedonia, where Western NGOs are agitating for regime change in order to block the proposed Russian pipeline that will bring natural gas to European markets. The goal is to isolate Russia, both economically and politically, and eventually move the West’s regime change operation into the Russian heartland, restoring the rule of the oligarchs – their oligarchs, as opposed to Putin’s – and silencing the Russian leader’s trenchant critique of US hegemonism.
This policy is entirely contrary to our real national interests, which are not served by starting a new cold war with Russia. The Russians, after all, face the same threat we do: Islamic terrorism has torn apart the former Soviet republics of Central Asia, reaching into Russia itself to wreak death and destruction. Yet we have favored the Islamists, openly supporting their Chechen branch, just as we’re funding and arming Islamist rebels in Syria – all in the name of “democracy,” of course.
It’s a suicidal policy, one that has no rational explanation or justification: but then again, that’s nothing new when it comes to understanding Washington’s motives.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/06/04/ukraines-tragicomedy/
Yes, they face the same threat we do, Islamic terrorism
They enable the terrorists to attack the US
and the US enables the terrorist to attack Russia
So what else is new?
It is not a one sided affair inspite of what many think here at ZH
The enabling 'they' is presumably the US. Russia warned the US about Boston for example. The US ignored the warning.
Yes HD that warning got up their noses as it nearly scuppered their False Flag.
You have to do something to support the US military economy it is the only area of growth at the moment apart from CEO's buying their own shares back with borrowed money, auto loans and student debt.
Washington Dusts Off Russia "Containment" Plans.
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Typical, albeit semi-brilliant (and semi-desperate) Orwellian speak!
Since Russia has no expansionist plans, later the frauds who released this headline can say "see, our containment effort worked".
Sure beats having to actually do something!
This was all over for Kiev the first time when they intentionally bombed civilian areas. There's no going back after that. Keeping on doing it doesn't change anything. The current strategy seems to be for Kiev to lob artillery into the East and then run to Mummy crying when the East fire something back. "Mummy make them stop, when we shoot at their towns they fire back, its not FAIR.... "
A Jewish joke:
A Jewish mother says farewell to her son, who has been drafted into the Czar's army and goes to fight against Turkey in 1877. She is of course very worried about her son's welfare. While she is packing his knapsack, she says to him: "Listen, when you get to the front, kill a Turk, and rest. Kill a Turk, and rest."
"But Mother," replies the son, "what happens if while I'm resting, the Turk kills me?"
"Good God," says the mother, horrified, "what does the Turk have against you?"
The variation of this joke, which I heard from Israeli Uri Avnery, is that Jewish mother advised her son to do just enough to show loyalty to the Czar: Kill just one Turk per day. That's enough. Then the son replied "What if the Turk tries to kill me?" His mother's respone was the same.
When Avnery related this joke, it was in the context of demonstrating that in the Jewish mind, whatever they do in their own interests should be accepted as normal and appropriate by everyone else. There is simply no justifucation in the Jewish mind for anyone to oppose their interests.
That is so, because it is the default condition for an Apex Predator or Apex Ruler.
You see, in their culture and religion (worldview) they are raised with, it is the Entitled Normal/Destiny of being Apex Rulers, by using the classic "Third Party Reference" as a form of Authority, whereby the Authority is an Invisible Guy in the Sky. Brilliant, in its sublime simplicity and effectiveness.
Their Target/Host, by contrast, typically has a less predatory worldview. E.g. Christianity -- the religion by and of the downtrodden, but for the Rulers.
Which is why my children and I will NOT subscribe to any religious ideology that has you kowtowing as as vassal or subservient being in service of another or a magical Being of unproven and unvetted background. IOW... Fuck the traditional gods and the scumbag charlatans who claim to represent them!
If Q wants me to kiss his divine ass, he'd better tell me himself, and not send me some dubious middle-man, whose best poker hand is the waving of some ancient manuscripts, written be smelly goat herders or money changers.
Poor USSA, so many problems and so little hope of staving off the coming collapse inside Slumville itself. The pathetic Washing town scripted whelping of Porky Poroshenko aka Walzman as the G7 Mob meet in Bavaria is a hopeless last ditch attempt to distract from the collapsing Ponzi €urodollah tsunami coming to wash the entire sewer clean.
When the full power and influence of a superpower is being controlled by Zionists, the results have a striking resemblance to the Bolshevik strategy and regime for the Soviets.
Americans have lost the direction of their foreign policy to these Zionist internationalists; hence, the pressure the U.S. puts on its allies (Britain, France and Germany) to push toward its target of world government, i.e., a boot stamping on a human face – forever.
And the frontier for this battle is now Eastern Ukraine where the primary obstacle to an international political structure controlled by New York and London financiers and enforced by NATO lies just over the border: the Russian Federation.
For what is the difference between Bela Kun and Netanyahu who controls US foreign policy?
Calling all existing oligarchs. Please relocate Washington in Somalia. I do not like being in the same vicinity of madmen that have the power to create nuclear winter. They are insane and continue to fight wars that they achieve only temporary, partial benefits from other peoples' rescources. Some rescources are already in short supply, and this causes them to engage in continual increased warfare. They are broke on top of it, and have taken their own citizens money to pay for their madness. They will be taking your money next to pay for their wars. Go on get em outta here before it is too late.
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More Distortions on Iran from the Times
The NYT was a big part of the lie factory to get the US into Iraq for Greater Israel {spending 3-4 trillion and grinding down your military for the petrodollar instead of bribing or assassinating a guy, come on...} and they are still at it, to lie us into Iran.
Unbelievable.
Wait, what?
Just contain Soros.
Problem with dusting off 'Containment' Plans:
1) The US military has turned into one giant SJW experiment. Our ROTC cadets walk 'a mile in her shoes', and Russian high school students learn Kalashnikov. Guess who my money is on.
2) Russia and China are allies this time around, and have the US in the two-front scenario.
3) Is there any of our traditional 'allies' that Obama hasn't honked off?
If this is Soros's war don't the militants only have to go after one guy?
>Mr. Poroshenko said, “We have weapons for that. But unfortunately we are fighting with the weapons from the 20th century, from the time of the Soviet Union, against the Russian — most modern — weapons of the 21st century.”
Why have you been destroying "Yuzhmash", which produces ICBMs? You could fire them at the rebels in Crimea every day. What weapons could be more modern than ICBMs?
> “Here we are defending freedom, we are defending democracy, we are defending European values, and the actual reason of this war is the right of the Ukrainian people to live under European standards, with European values, in the European Union.”
You should fear not Putin, but American hedge funds. They bought all Ukrainian bonds for pennies, and now want to get all Ukrainian land, valuable factories and companies in exchange for these bonds. Ok, you want to default - that means that Ukrainians will live in misery for a decade. Then they will learn European values while cleaning toilets.
They waited until now?
LOLOLOL.....................
Yes, they really think you're that stupid.
Ukranians know only one good thing :
Pimping
Their young nubile daughters into prostitution