Ex-US Intelligence Officials Confirm: Secret Pentagon Report Proves US Complicity In Creation Of ISIS

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Two weeks ago, courtesy of the investigative work of Nafeez Ahmed whose deep dig through a recently declassified and formertly Pentagon documents released earlier by Judicial Watch FOIA, we learned that Western governments deliberately allied with al-Qaeda and other Islamist extremist groups to topple Syrian dictator Bashir al-Assad. In his words: "According to the newly declassified US document, the Pentagon foresaw the likely rise of the ‘Islamic State’ as a direct consequence of the strategy, but described this outcome as a strategic opportunity to “isolate the Syrian regime.

Now, in a follow up piece to his stunning original investigative report titled "Secret Pentagon report reveals West saw ISIS as strategic asset Anti-ISIS coalition knowingly sponsored violent extremists to ‘isolate’ Assad, rollback ‘Shia expansion", Nafeez Ahmed reveals that according to leading American and British intelligence experts, the previously declassified Pentagon report confirms that the West accelerated support to extremist rebels in Syria, despite knowing full well the strategy would pave the way for the emergence of the ‘Islamic State’ (ISIS).

The experts who have spoken out include renowned government whistleblowers such as the Pentagon’s Daniel Ellsberg, the NSA’s Thomas Drake, and the FBI’s Coleen Rowley, among others.

Their remarks demonstrate the fraudulent nature of claims by two other former officials, the CIA’s Michael Morell and the NSA’s John Schindler, both of whom attempt to absolve the Obama administration of responsibility for the policy failures exposed by the DIA documents. 

This is Nafeez Ahmed's follow up story, originally posted in Medium

Ex-intel officials: Pentagon report proves US complicity in ISIS

Renowned government whistleblowers weigh in on debate over controversial declassified documen

Foreseeing ISIS

As I reported on May 22nd, the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document obtained by Judicial Watch under Freedom of Information confirms that the US intelligence community foresaw the rise of ISIS three years ago, as a direct consequence of the support to extremist rebels in Syria.

The August 2012 ‘Information Intelligence Report’ (IIR) reveals that the overwhelming core of the Syrian insurgency at that time was dominated by a range of Islamist militant groups, including al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI). It warned that the “supporting powers” to the insurgency?—?identified in the document as the West, Gulf states, and Turkey —?wanted to see the emergence of a “Salafist Principality” in eastern Syria to “isolate” the Assad regime.

The document also provided an extraordinarily prescient prediction that such an Islamist quasi-statelet, backed by the region’s Sunni states, would amplify the risk of the declaration of an “Islamic State” across Iraq and Syria. The DIA report even anticipated the fall of Mosul and Ramadi.

Divide and rule

Last week, legendary whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg, the former career Pentagon officer and US military analyst who leaked Pentagon papers exposing White House lies about the Vietnam War, described my Insurge report on the DIA document as “a very important story.”

In an extensive podcast interview, he said that the DIA document provided compelling evidence that the West’s Syria strategy created ISIS. The DIA, he said, “in 2012, was asserting that Western powers were supporting extremist Islamic groups in Syria that were opposing Assad…

“They were not only as they claimed supporting moderate groups, who were losing members to the more extremist groups, but that they were directly supporting the extremist groups. And they were predicting that this support would result in an Islamic State organization, an ISIS or ISIL… They were encouraging it, regarding it as a positive development, because it was anti-Assad, Assad being supported by Russia, but also interestingly China… and Iran… So we have China, Russia and Iran backing Assad, and the US, starting out saying Assad must go… What he [Nafeez Ahmed] is talking about, the DIA report, is extremely significant. It fits into a general framework that I’m aware of, and sounds plausible to me.”

Ellsberg also noted that “it’s pretty well known” in the intelligence community that Saudi Arabia sponsors Islamist terrorists to this day:

“It’s kind of a deal that the Saudis will support various Islamic extremists, all around the world, and the deal is that they [extremists] will not try to overthrow the corrupt, alcohol-drinking clique in Saudi Arabia.”

Ellsberg, who was a former senior analyst at RAND Corp, also agreed with the relevance of a 2008 US Army-commissioned RAND report, quoted in my Insurge story, and also examined in-depth for Middle East Eye.

The US Army-funded RAND report advocated a range of policy scenarios for the Middle East, including a “divide and rule” strategy to play off Sunni and Shi’a factions against each other, which Ellsberg describes as “standard imperial policy” for the US.

The RAND report even confirmed (p. 113) that its “divide and rule” strategy was already being executed in Iraq at the time:

“Today in Iraq such a strategy is being used a tactical level, as the United States now forms temporary alliances with nationalist insurgent groups that it had been fighting for four years… providing carrots in the form of weapons and cash. In the past, these nationalists have cooperated with al-Qaeda against US forces.”

The confirmed activation of this divide-and-rule strategy perhaps explains why the self-defeating US approach in Syria is fanning the flames of both sides: simultaneously allying with states like Turkey who have continued to covertly sponsor ISIS, while working with Assad through the Russians to fight ISIS. Ellsberg added:

“As Assad is the main opponent of ISIS, we are covertly coordinating our airstrikes against ISIS with Assad. So are we against Assad, or not? It’s ambivalent… I think that Obama and everybody around him is clear that they do not any longer as they’ve been saying want Assad to leave power. I don’t believe that that is their intention anymore, as they believe anyone who succeeds Assad would be far worse.”

If true, Ellsberg’s analysis exposes the deep-rooted hypocrisy of the previous campaign against Assad, the current campaign against ISIS, and why both appear destined for failure.

Frankenstein script

Coleen Rowley, retired FBI Special Agent described my report on the DIA document as “excellent.”

Rowley, who was selected as TIME ‘Person of the Year’ in 2002 after revealing how pre-9/11 intelligence was ignored by superiors at the FBI, said of the document:

“It’s like the mad power-hungry doctor who created Frankenstein, only to have his monster turn against him. It’s hard to feel sorry when the insane doctor gets his due. But in our case, that script is constantly repeating. The quest for ‘full spectrum dominance’ and blindness of exceptionalism seems to mean we are doomed to keep repeating the ‘Charlie Wilson’s Frankenstein War’ script… The various neocon warmongers and military industrial complex, most of them inept Peter Principles, just don’t care.”

Also commenting on the declassified Pentagon report, former NSA senior executive Thomas Drake?—?the whistleblower who inspired Edward Snowden?—?condemned “the West’s role in ISIS and threat of ‘violent extremists’, justifying surveillance and libercide at home.”

Wedge strategy

Alastair Crooke, a former senior MI6 officer who spent three decades at the agency, said yesterday that the DIA document provides clear corroboration that the US was covertly pursuing a strategy to drive an extremist Salafi “wedge” between Iran and its Arab allies.

The strategy was, Crooke confirms, standard thinking in the Western intelligence establishment for about a decade.

“The idea of breaking up the large Arab states into ethnic or sectarian enclaves is an old Ben Gurion ‘canard,’ and splitting Iraq along sectarian lines has been Vice President Biden’s recipe since the Iraq war,” wrote Crooke, who had coordinated British assistance to the Afghan mujahideen in the 1980s. After his long MI6 stint, he became Middle East advisor to the European Union’s foreign policy chief (1997–2003).

“But the idea of driving a Sunni ‘wedge’ into the landline linking Iran to Syria and to Hezbollah in Lebanon became established Western group think in the wake of the 2006 war, in which Israel failed to de-fang Hezbollah,” continued Crooke. “The response to 2006, it seemed to Western powers, was to cut off Hezbollah from its sources of weapons supply from Iran…

“… In short, the DIA assessment indicates that the ‘wedge’ concept was being given new life by the desire to pressure Assad in the wake of the 2011 insurgency launched against the Syrian state. ‘Supporting powers’ effectively wanted to inject hydraulic fracturing fluid into eastern Syria (radical Salafists) in order to fracture the bridge between Iran and its Arab allies, even at the cost of this ‘fracking’ opening fissures right down inside Iraq to Ramadi. (Intelligence assessments purpose is to provide ‘a view’?—?not to describe or prescribe policy. But it is clear that the DIA reports’ ‘warnings’ were widely circulated and would have been meshed into the policy consideration.)

“But this ‘view’ has exactly come about. It is fact. One might conclude then that in the policy debate, the notion of isolating Hezbollah from Iran, and of weakening and pressurizing President Assad, simply trumped the common sense judgment that when you pump highly toxic and dangerous fracturing substances into geological formations, you can never entirely know or control the consequences… So, when the GCC demanded a ‘price’ for any Iran deal (i.e. massing ‘fracking’ forces close to Aleppo), the pass had been already partially been sold by the US by 2012, when it did not object to what the ‘supporting powers’ wanted.”


Intel shills

Crooke’s analysis of the DIA report shows that it is irrelevant whether or not “the West” should be included in the “supporting powers” described by the report as specifically wanting a “Salafist Principality” in eastern Syria. Either way, the report groups “the West, Gulf countries and Turkey” as supporting the Syrian insurgency together?—?highlighting that the Gulf states and Turkey operated in alliance with the US, Britain, and other Western powers.

The observations of intelligence experts Ellsberg, Rowley, and Drake add further weight to Crooke’s analysis. They come in addition to comments I had previously received on the DIA document from former MI5 counter-terrorism officer, Annie Machon, and former counter-terrorism intelligence officer, Charles Shoebridge.

The comments undermine the recent claims of disgraced US national security commentator, John Schindler, a retired NSA intelligence officer, to the effect that the August 2012 DIA report is “almost incomprehensible,” “so heavily redacted that its difficult to say much meaningful about it,” “Nothing special here, not one bit,” “routine,” “a single data point,” and so on.

Schindler cites the DIA’s use of ‘Curveball’?—?the Iraqi informant who fabricated claims about Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD)?—?as evidence of the agency’s “less than stellar reputation.” But this misrepresents the fact noted by the CIA’s Valerie Plame Wilson that “it was widely known [in the intelligence community] that CURVEBALL was not a credible source and that there were serious problems with his reporting.”

As I’ve documented elsewhere, the WMD threat mythology was not the outcome of an ‘intelligence failure’, as Schindler and his ilk like to claim, but a consequence of the corruption and politicization of intelligence under the influence of dubious vested interests.

Also contrary to Schindler’s misinformation, an IIR provides raw intelligence data from human sources (HUMINT), not simply rumour, gossip or opinion. Before wider distribution, the IIR is vetted to determine whether it is worthy of dissemination to the intelligence community. IIRs then provide a source basis for evaluation, interpretation, analysis and integration with other information.

Far from justifying the dismissal of the relevance of the declassified DIA documents, this shows that urgent questions must be asked:

What happened to this raw intelligence data, described by six US UK intelligence experts as providing damning confirmation of how Western strategy led to the rise of ISIS?

And why did it not lead to a change in policy, despite DIA analysts’ clear warning of the outgrowth of an ISIS-entity from Western allies’ desire to see a ‘Salafist Principality’ in the region?—?a warning which was, in hindsight, quite accurate?


Are intel critics traitors?

Schindler previously characterized NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden as a traitor and “pawn… of America’s adversaries.”

He now declares that those who cite the DIA report as proof the intelligence community “knew more about the rise of the Islamic State than they let on” are at best “fools; at worst, they’re deceivers who have lied to the American people.”

On the contrary, six decorated former senior US and British intelligence officials, many with direct experience of IIRs and their function, agree that the DIA report provides significant insight into the kind of intelligence available to the US intelligence community at the time.

Yet for Schindler, it seems, Ellsberg, Drake, Rowley, Crooke, Machon and Shoebridge are all, effectively, traitors simply for lending their expertise to public understanding of the newly declassified documents.

As Marcy Wheeler points out in Salon, the large corpus of secret DIA documents obtained by Judicial Watch demonstrates, at the least, that:

“The Intelligence Community (IC) knew that AQI had ties to the rebels in Syria; they knew our Gulf and Turkish allies were happy to strengthen Islamic extremists in a bid to oust Assad; and CIA officers in Benghazi (at a minimum) watched as our allies armed rebels using weapons from Libya. And the IC knew that a surging AQI might lead to the collapse of Iraq. That’s not the same thing as creating ISIS. But it does amount to doing little or nothing while our allies had a hand in creating ISIS. All of which ought to raise real questions about why we’re still allied with countries willfully empowering terrorist groups then, and how seriously they plan to fight those terrorist groups now. Because while the CIA may not have deliberately created ISIS, it sure seems to have watched impassively as our allies helped to do so.”

However, Wheeler overlooks that the reliance on foreign allies is a standard proxy war strategy?—?as Ellsberg explained in his interview?—?used by the covert operations arm of the US government to guarantee ‘plausible deniability.’

As I noted in my Middle East Eye analysis of the DIA document, there is extensive evidence against which to contextualize the DIA report’s assertions. This evidence shows that the CIA did not merely watch “impassively” as the Gulf states and Turkey supported violent extremists in Syria, but actively supervised, facilitated and accelerated this policy.

The August 2012 DIA document further corroborates this by repeatedly pointing out that the support to the Syrian insurgency from its allies was itself backed by “the West”?—?despite awareness of their intent to establish an extremist Salafi political entity.

While the DIA document was, indeed, just one data-point, analyzing it in context with the other DIA reports along with incontrovertible facts in the public record, establishes that the Pentagon was complicit in its allies’ support of Islamist terrorists, despite recognizing this could create an “Islamic State” in Iraq and Syria.

These revelations show that the real traitors are not the courageous whistleblowers who sacrifice everything to speak out on behalf of the public interest, but shameless shills like Schindler and Morell who willfully sanitize a dysfunctional and dangerous ‘national security’ system from legitimate public scrutiny.



Dr Nafeez Ahmed is an investigative journalist, bestselling author and international security scholar. A former Guardian writer, he writes the ‘System Shift’ column for VICE’s Motherboard, and is also a columnist for Middle East Eye. He is the winner of a 2015 Project Censored Award, known as the ‘Alternative Pulitzer Prize’, for Outstanding Investigative Journalism for his Guardian work, and was selected in the Evening Standard’s ‘Power 1,000’ most globally influential Londoners.


Nafeez has also written for The Independent, Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, The Scotsman, Foreign Policy, The Atlantic, Quartz, Prospect, New Statesman, Le Monde diplomatique, New Internationalist, Counterpunch, Truthout, among others. He is the author of A User’s Guide to the Crisis of Civilization: And How to Save It (2010), and the scifi thriller novel ZERO POINT, among other books. His work on the root causes and covert operations linked to international terrorism officially contributed to the 9/11 Commission and the 7/7 Coroner’s Inquest.

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Blubaba's picture

USI - United States of Islam !

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gladius17 (not verified) Blubaba Jun 8, 2015 7:38 PM

They could have saved a lot of money and time if they'd simply asked me. I could have told them this a year ago.

Obviously this is a limited hangout. They seem to be having to do that a lot here lately.

jaap's picture

How long before the corporate press will be kicked out? Real journalists and real thinking people figured this out... years ago.

Divine Wind's picture




Well duuuuuh.

Did anyone really think it was possible to vet fighters in a damn war zone, with no western embassies and no assistance from the government we were attempting to overthrow?

Billy the Poet's picture

It never ceases to amaze me how so-called "truthers" are infuriated by the release of actual documents detailing government wrong doing.

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Captain Debtcrash (not verified) Billy the Poet Jun 8, 2015 8:09 PM

With all the so called conspiracy theories that have become conspiracy fact, you’d think that the term conspiracy theory wouldn’t carry such a stigma.   

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

"..splitting Iraq along sectarian lines has been Vice President Biden’s recipe since the Iraq war."

Leave it to Joe to turn a garden-variety shithole into a Supersonic King-hell Ass-tastic Totally-fucked-out shithole!

SMG's picture

And another fact that Zero Hedge was one of the first to break.  Any newcomer reading this, here is one of the few places in this world that won't lie to you.

MayIMommaDogFace2theBananaPatch's picture

Any newcomer reading this, here is one of the few places in this world that won't lie to you.

In that case, sir, may I advise against the lady eating the clam chowder?

Keyser's picture

So, the Pentagram toads are upset that the CIA spooks are stealing their thunder, so they let the cat out of the bag... It won't matter because the average American is too stupid to understand the repercussions or give a shit...

TruthInSunshine's picture


Another 3.6 billion in bailouts for Corinthian College students in debt:
US will erase student debt for Corinthian students

6 Hours Ago

The Associated Press

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Corinthian Colleges was one of the largest for-profit schools when it nearly collapsed last year and became a symbol of fraud in the world of higher education and student loans.

According to investigators, Corinthian schools charged exorbitant fees, lied about job prospects for its graduates and, in some cases, encouraged students to lie about their circumstances to get more federal aid.

Ying-Yang's picture

Yeah... that's the ticket!

I will enroll, take out a student loan and... take

Zombies In Popular Media” (Columbia College) – This course explores the history, significance, and representation of the zombie as a figure in horror and fantasy texts. Instruction follows an intense schedule, using critical theory and source media (literature, comics, and films) to spur discussion and exploration of the figure’s many incarnations. Daily assignments focus on reflection and commentary, while final projects foster thoughtful connections between student disciplines and the figure of the zombie.

the kings whore's picture

It doesn't matter at this stage.  ISIS needs to be defeated.  And Obama just isn't up to the task.  We need a war hawk like John McCain.

Oh regional Indian's picture

So, ISIS is ISL is IS is Al-Quaida/Nasarullah/Tafkiri....what?

So clear, ISIS is the catch-all, so all these splintered muslim groups in the ME, all of them founded,  funded and armed by MI6+the rest of the bastard gang, can come together under one umbrella.

One ring to rule them all. How will they accomplish this? Simple. Cut funding to all the other groupls and allow ISIS to fucking sell OIL on the global market. Give them a small armies worth of arms, ammo, trucks, humvees etc.

Let their first big victory be sex slaves. Now all the young guys wanting their own Yazidi slave will rush to join.

This is all a part of the great roll up into the big one in the ME. Look at the names of the places, Niniveh, Babylon, Tikrit....ancient ancient birthing grounds of civilization.



Gent's picture

lulz...McCain. Get the fuck outta here.


Didn't you READ the fucking article?  What we need to do is to stop giving those murdering assholes weapons - not give a Staist Whore like John McCain any power.  What the fuck?


That way, when they run out of bullets, they'll get bored and go back to fucking their goats like they used to.


shouldvekilledthem's picture

Ignorance is a bliss.

This is the same reason why people always fall for the next powergrab.


Fallible retards.

RevIdahoSpud3's picture

It appears the wrong Biden died?

gonetogalt's picture


 I also just realized this weekend how ISIS and the Anglo American Zionist empire is specifically mentioned , check this... Rev 17 v1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication." 3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.  Al Queda and ISIS really get on a roll. ISIS is USA/Mossad created & armed and will morph into the Beast ridden (controlled) by the Harlot described in Rev 17

A careful reading of this chapter shows a remarkable description of the US's relationship with Islamic Jihad in general. Whoever said "The natural enemy of Judaism isn't Islam, it's Christianity" was right on. Did the Zionists inflame this divide to have Christianity destroy the Islamic nations for Israel's security, or did the Zionists inflame this divide to have the Islamists destroy Christiandom for Israel's future world dominance? Or Both???  
Although Christians are exhorted to abandon the Harlot now, partly because quiet submission is tacit support...It's clear that the final destruction comes after the remaining Christians are removed from this world even though:
Rev 18 v4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.    But there's also this...(and it's in context)
1 Thes v9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,  

Chupacabra-322's picture

The Term Conspriacy Therory was cooked up in the Pure Evil Psychopathic lab over at the CIA.

Release the 28 pages. Everyone & their mothers know the Saudis & Mossad financed the 911 False Flag Inside Job.

Radical Marijuana's picture

You already may know this, Captain Debtcrash?


Embedded inside that article is a link to a copy of the declassified document about how "conspiracy theory" was promoted by the government through mass media.


CIA Document #1035-960

RE: Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report

The book Conspiracy Theory in America by political scientist Lance deHaven-Smith, published by the University of Texas Press, explains  the term “conspiracy theorists” was developed and put into wide circulation by the CIA to smear and defame people questioning the JFK assassination.

“The CIA’s campaign to popularize the term ‘conspiracy theory’ and make conspiracy belief a target of ridicule and hostility must be credited, unfortunately, with being one of the most successful propaganda initiatives of all time.”

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And yet, it remains unthinkable that the Govt had a hand in 9/11.



Philo Beddoe's picture

It is becasue we all know the ball is overinflated...just tell us the fucking game is rigged. 

Billy the Poet's picture

But why does "knowing" require the rejection of evidence which supports what you claim to "know?" To me evidence is how I come to know something not an impediment to knowing something,

Philo Beddoe's picture

Selling me the smaller con will not discount the price tag on the larger con.  No corked bats or grassy knowls will cut it this time. Pete Rose shot JFK! Fess up. 

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gladius17 (not verified) Philo Beddoe Jun 8, 2015 8:44 PM

Ever notice how these crock of shit government stories like the one above, "explaining" some terrible thing that they did, are never short and to the point? It's always a long winded, dramatic narrative about good guys trying to get the bad guys, recounting in detail how this or that was said or done, leading to this, which caused that, with this being the leaders' thoughts at the moment, which turned out to be wrong because XYZ, and then......

It's all just a great big mindfuck narrative to make the common peon feel like he's on the inside, right there in the action getting the play by play analysis of who/what/how, with the inside scoop on all the drama.

That's why the simpletons, especially the "useful idiot" pseudo-intellectuals, buy into this shit so easily. This is the type of fascinating story the average fuckwit loves reading from A to Z, then repeating word for word among his circle of sycophants this "information" he "discovered" during his day to day life of being a "learned" man.

Philo Beddoe's picture

Were you in my homeschooling civics class today? You take mean fucking notes. 

No sht. Everything is staged. Yeah, I read it Time magazine! Fuck. I am in the loop. 

Great post, Gladius. Hat tip. 

Billy the Poet's picture

I'm just pulling everyone's leg. "Truth" is that I had photos of Dick Cheney imploding building 7 but I tossed them in the trash because everybody already knows he did it. That's how "truth" rolls.

nmewn's picture

I was just sittin here wondering why this article wasn't zooming up the Breathless Bash the US Chart...lol...the man "contributed to" the 911 report...good heavens, he's unreliable!!!

A conspiracy, wrapped in an enigma, shrouded in mystery that invites the reader to believe what they know to be true but they just can't because of the source. And then the caveat, "western governments"...without even naming them, lest someones toes gets stepped on.

Truly worthy of middle eastern intrigue ;-)


TahoeBilly2012's picture

Greater Israel requires a return to the stone age for non Tribe(tm) members, that includes you Gilligan.

Billy the Poet's picture

But why does that make you hate documentation of government misdeeds, Mary Ann?

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

For the love of Pete, what the fuck are you talking about???

Billy the Poet's picture

I'm asking why documentation of government misdeeds is ridiculed by people supposedly for the reason, "We already knew that, we don't want any evidence to support what we know."

It goes against the very idea of investigation and learning. We start with a theory and then we gather data which can either confirm or deny that theory. To insist that we know what we know and therefore any confirmation of what we know should be ridiculed is ridiculous itself.

Fun Facts's picture

"Securing the Realm", a policy paper written by Feith, Wurmser and Perle for then incoming prime minister Netanyahoo in 1996 is the operative plan. "Greater Israel from the tigress to the euphrates" was the stated intention.

The PNAC revolutionaries New Pearl Harbor in 2001 manufactured broad political consent for the agenda.

As part of Securing the Realm, Seven middle eastern countries were to be destroyed. The US military was to do the destroying. The only country on the list that hasn't been destroyed is Iran.

Saudi Arabia was scheduled to fall apart on it's own due to the chaos caused by toppling mid east regimes.

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gladius17 (not verified) Billy the Poet Jun 8, 2015 8:23 PM

"It never ceases to amaze me how so-called "truthers" are infuriated by the release of actual documents detailing government wrong doing."

I'm looking around, and I don't see anyone who is infuriated. I do however see one fool who, upon seeing the government "admit" what everyone has already been accusing them of for over a year, and trying to play it off as another case of government "incompetence" (case closed!...right?) rather than purposeful intent, foolishly thinks this is an act of honesty rather than mere political expediency.

One step backward on the march of tyranny, preceding three steps forward.

Billy the Poet's picture

Surely you didn't call me a fool out of joyful abandon. We've all been here before. Soon it'll be "Snowden is a mole," and "Ron Paul is a gate keeper," followed by accusations that anyone who disagrees is a paid government operative.


There is a difference between knowing something and guessing at something. The DIA report is hard evidence of Western support for ISIS. I continue to be amazed that the existence of that evidence displeases you.


As for your having know the contents of the report for a year before it was released, can you restate the entire contenta of the report without cutting and pasting from the report itself? You should be able to do so if you're telling the truth about having know it all before hand.



nmewn's picture

"We've all been here before. Soon it'll be "Snowden is a mole," and "Ron Paul is a gate keeper," followed by accusations that anyone who disagrees is a paid government operative."

They've already been there and done that.

Billy the Poet's picture

And it makes it nearly impossible for people who are interested in this story to discuss it without distraction.

nmewn's picture

You noticed that, good call.


So what do we know, for sure?

We already know they were running guns & missiles leftover from Libya to Syria through Turkey and McStain was right in the middle of it along with Hillary! and Obama as CnC.


Now, who are these "western governments" alluded to? ;-)

Billy the Poet's picture

There's so much nuance that's missed when the conversation degrades. One of the things that has interested me is the Republican attacks on Clinton and Obama over Benghazi. The Republicans tried to make it a story of how Obama failed to defend the life of a hardworking American ambassador. It would appear that Stevens was present in Libya for some time before the overthrow of Gaddafi. He was the US contact with the Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups in Benghazi. He was a spook and his death was the result of US policy to support untrustworthy allies (to say the least).


So the Republican outrage over Obama's Benghazi failure is really a smokescreen to cover up the fact that the US had supported terrorists against Gaddafi all along. Just another example of how the two parties are two sides of the same coin and how they support each other even when they appear to be in opposition.

Philo Beddoe's picture

 Just another example of how the two parties are two sides of the same coin and how they support each other even when they appear to be in opposition. 

Do you know this to be true or is just a hunch? 

Billy the Poet's picture

It's a theory based on solid documentation which is far superior to a theory based on the repudiation of documentation.

We know that Stevens was landed in Libya a year before the overthrow. We know that the "rebels" included members of Al Qaeda who had battled US troops in Iraq and documentation from the CIA confirmed that Benghazi was a center of terrorist activities before NATO airstrikes prevented Gaddaffi's forces from taking the city. US support for terrorists in Libya is well documented.

We know that key Republicans were privy to this information and that they would know the real reason Steven was killed.  Therefore the Republican outrage over Obama's failure to defend the embassy can't be anything other than political theater.

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gladius17 (not verified) Billy the Poet Jun 8, 2015 10:16 PM

Based on this and other tripe you've posted, it's clear you're either a government troll, or just a useful idiot.

"solid documentation." .... LMFAO.

Government propaganda is not "solid documentation" of anything, other than the fact you're being constantly lied to.

Billy the Poet's picture

"you're either a government troll,"


That's too funny. I told you that soon there'd be accussations that anyone who disagreed with your position is a government operative. You called that a strawman argument in a rather dramatic fashion and here you are an hour or two later making exactly that accusation.

That's an odd mistake for the guy who claims to know everything a year before anyone else to make. Looks like I'm the one who knows what you will do before you do it.



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gladius17 (not verified) Billy the Poet Jun 9, 2015 2:50 AM

"I told you that soon there'd be accussations that anyone who disagreed with your position is a government operative."

You'd probably know, since you encounter these types of accusations often in your job as a government operative, right?

Please, don't glorify yourself by referring to yourself as an "operative." It makes it sound as if you're a spy, or something else important like that. We both know your job title is more properly called lackey.

I guess if you're just a useful idiot you probably also do hear the same accusation often. Imagine that.....spouting pro-fascist viewpoints, selling your country out to the Nazis, and not even getting your 30 ounces of silver for it.

"You called that a strawman argument in a rather dramatic fashion"

Because it was, simpleton.

Does the fact that you "predicted" a certain argument would be made, mean that said argument can no longer be made? Of course not, simpleton.

Did I actually make that argument prior to you pulling it out of thin air? No? Then it was a strawman, at that time, simpleton.

Now it becomes a real statement of judgment. I really do think you're either getting paid to spout bullshit, or are a moron.

Are you getting paid to sell out your country by confusing the discussion with your bullshit? Or do you just do it for the fun of it?

"That's an odd mistake for the guy who claims to know everything a year before anyone else to make."

1) If you want to see a mistake, look in the mirror.

2) I did know, as so many people knew, that ISIS was created by the CIA. If you didn't, and are still arguing that "nobody could have known that!".....then you are the dictionary definition of a moron.

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Ssshhhhhhhh galdius. Allow Billy the "poet" nmwhatever their circle-jerk...

I have a feeling (seeing many old handles coming back into the mix) that in the not too distant future, the trolls will have this board.