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"Ukrainians Have Been Dispossessed" Paul Craig Roberts Warns "Americans Are Next"

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Submitted by Paul Craig Roberts,

Over the last 15 months Ukrainians have paid for Washington’s overthrow of their elected government in deaths, dismemberment of their country, and broken economic and political relationships with Russia that cost Ukraine its subsidized energy. Now Ukrainians are losing their pensions and traditional support payments. The Ukrainian population is headed for the graveyard.

On June 1 the TASS news agency reported that Ukraine has stopped payments to pensioners, World War II veterans, people with disabilities, and victims of Chernobyl. According to the report, Kiev has also “eliminated transport, healthcare, utilities and financial benefits for former prisoners of Nazi concentration camps and recipients of some Soviet-era orders and titles. Compensations to families with children living in the areas contaminated by radiation from the Chernobyl accident will be no longer paid either. Ukraine’s parliamentary opposition believes that the Prosecutor General’s Office should launch an investigation against Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk who actively promoted the law on the abolition of privileges.”

Notice that this is a yank of the blanket from under the elderly in Ukraine. “Useless eaters,” they are assigned to the trash can. How do the deceived Maiden student protesters feel now that they are culpable in the destruction of their grandparents’ support systems? Do these gullible fools still believe in the Washington-orchestrated Maiden Revolution? The crimes in which these stupid students are complicit are horrific.

Yatsenyuk, or Yats as Victoria Nuland calls him, is the Washington stooge that the US State Department selected to run the puppet government established by Washington. Yats sounds like a right-wing Republican when he refers to pensions, compensations, and social services as “privileges.” This is the Republican view of Social Security and Medicare, programs paid for by the payroll tax over the working lives of Americans. The Republicans stole the payroll revenues and spent them on their wars that enrich Wall Street and the military/security complex, and now blame “welfare handouts” for America’s fiscal plight.

Is Monsanto’s right to turn Ukraine into GMO food production a privilege? ls VP Biden’s son’s right to destroy Ukraine’s surface and underground water in fracking operations a privilege? Are the external costs imposed on Ukrainians by these looting activities a privilege? Of course not! These are not privileges. This is the operation of free market economics creating the greatest good for the greatest number. (As many Americans will not realize that I am engaging in satire, I would like to affirm that I am.)

The news report does not say whether the abolished “privileges” are one part of a reform that will replace the terminated “privileges” with a new social support system. Possibly this is the case, but as the termination of pensions and payments was triggered by the coming into effect of Yat’s law to “stabilize the financial condition of Ukraine,” the purpose of the termination of Ukraine’s social welfare system might be to free up money to hand over to the IMF and Western banks. In Ukraine, as in Greece, the gullible and naive population that saw salvation in unity with the West will be driven into the ground.

Russia, of course, will be blamed. I can already write the New York Times and Washington Post editorials and the words that will come from Obama, CNN, and Fox “News.” In fact, so can my intelligent readers.

The same looting is underway in Great Britain, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and the United States. In Great Britain everything achieved by the Labour Party over many decades has been taken away, and not only by the Conservatives but by Labour leader Tony Blair himself.

Tony Blair sold out his constituents for money and is now among the One Percent. Bill Clinton did the same thing. Bill and Hillary were able to spend $3 million on their daughter’s wedding, almost a world record, dwarfing many Hollywood weddings. Obama is not even out of office and is already rich. America’s faithful vassals–Merkel, Hollande, and Cameron–can look forward to equal riches.

Karl Marx was correct when he said that money corrupts all. Everything becomes a commodity that is bought and sold for money.

When money becomes the measure of a person, people have become corrupted. And that is the plight of the Western world.

Where in the West is your wealth, small or large, safe? Nowhere. Washington has destroyed financial privacy everywhere in the West. Washington even forced Switzerland to violate its own laws in order to comply with Washington’s insistence on the absence of any financial privacy.

For decades Americans with foreign bank accounts have been required to report them on their income tax returns. Now if an American owns a gold coin in a vault overseas, this must be reported to Washington.

Once Washington knows the location of your assets, the assets can be confiscated at will. Washington only has to make some declaration or accusation or the other, and your wealth is gone.

As Washington has run the printing presses hard in order to serve a handful of banks that control the US Treasury and the Federal Reserve, unless China and Russia acquiesce to becoming Washington’s vassals, at some point the dollar’s value is going to slide downward. When that happens, the Federal Reserve cannot continue to create new money to meet Washington’s needs.

Where will the money come from? It will come from Americans’ pensions.

Pensions accumulate tax free, and this accumulation will be confiscated in whole or part to make up for the failure to tax, another “privilege.”

That confiscation works that year. But what happens the next year when the dollar is reeling on foreign exchange markets from over-supply?

The answer is that another chunk of American pensions, and I am speaking of private pensions, will be confiscated “in order to stabilize the financial system.” Social Security will be long gone by this time.

Alicia Munnel, who was my replacement as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy in the Clinton regime, advocated many years ago a confiscation of private pensions, including your IRAs and 401Ks, in order to compensate the US government for their non-taxed status.

Alicia has a sinecure at an Eastern university where she continues to advocate against your pension. The joint attack by Clinton Democrats on private pensions and by Conservative Republicans on public pensions means that no American can look forward to having a pension. Americans are only one presidential election away from the loss of their pensions, and it doesn’t matter who they vote for.

Economic security is a thing of the past. Security was a product of the US being the only extant economy following World War II. In those days corporations believed, as did Washington, that companies had obligations not only to shareholders but to employees, customers, and the communities in which they were located.

This meant prosperity for all, not merely, as is the case today, for corporate management and shareholders.

Apologists for exploitation claim that the rich are richer because they are smarter. But the stupidity of the rich is everywhere visible. The greedy fools have destroyed their domestic US market. Really, how stupid can you be? How do Americans buy when they are forced by offshoring out of well paid manufacturing and software engineering jobs into being waitresses, bartenders, retail clerks and part-time Walmart workers in order that corporate bottom lines improve? Who buys the stuff that sustains the profits? Not Americans who no longer have the incomes to do so.

The belief spread by Wall Street and “shareholder advocates” that corporations only have responsibility to their owners and managers has destroyed the American economy.
By locating production offshore, corporations have destroyed the incomes that supported the American consumer market. For example, the incomes associated with the production of Apple computers, I-Pads, and I-Phones are in China. Apple’s American customers do not have the incomes associated with the production of the products that Apple markets to them.

Americans are already dispossessed of their livelihoods and careers and their pensions are next. Wherever we look, the fate of populations under Western influence are the same. The Ukrainians are exploited, the Greeks, the British, the Americans.

Wherever the West has an imprint, the populations are exploited. Exploitation of the many for the few is the Hallmark of the West, a decrepit, corrupt, and collapsing entity.

 

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Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:32 | 6181210 Kirk2NCC1701
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Dispossessed by the Possessed.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:01 | 6181271 Money Counterfeiter
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Bankers and nail guns.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:14 | 6181294 Soul Glow
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Ukraine is fucked up!  Yet they don't revolt.  You know what is depressing?  How much shit humanity will take from the bankers.  People will be willing slaves and lament on how tough everything is instead of realizing that they could have a better life if they stopped paying interest to the money changers.  Jesus said it, ya'll.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:27 | 6181327 giovanni_f
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The absolute overwhelming majority of the sheeple never revolts unless they are organized into doing so. Then, revolutions only work against already weakend authorities, they are never-ever successful against a determined and well organised junta like the US government and its masters.

That's why the American Revolutin ain't gonna hppen.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:40 | 6181347 Ying-Yang
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On the money PCR... thank you well said.

Their Plan is working... Brothers, please awaken a neighbor to ZH.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:01 | 6181369 Oh regional Indian
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C'mon PCR, americans were dispossessd FIRST. As in before this whole slide into where we are today, it was in the US, especially since 1907.

And the great lies were all told/sold in the US first.

It is common knowledge amongst all the people who have friends in the US (like me) is that peopel in the US are so gullible, believe anything.

Now that si programming and there is the rub...

If you do not doubt, you cannot get out!

Meanwhile, fresh off the editor's table, Boxes and taut strings...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsrCg7rwcqA

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:07 | 6181377 Soul Glow
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There has been a constant battle between the bankers and the people of the United States of America but we have had better days than today.  It is bad right now, but whatever, buy silver.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:10 | 6181381 0b1knob
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Yeh sure whatever.   No one is ever exploited in a communist, fascist or socialist country.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:19 | 6181396 Confused
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Same as it ever was. There might be less "kings" and "queens" officially the world over, but the treatment of the people has stayed the same. We might have more gadgets, but we do not have any say in how we are governed. Never have. 

I would like to point out that the following is only partly true. Not only did it force the Swiss to comply with US law, but it did so with many other nations as well, regarding the same topic. 

Washington even forced Switzerland to violate its own laws in order to comply with Washington’s insistence on the absence of any financial privacy.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:13 | 6181483 Anusocracy
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Actually they are possessed.

Possessed by behaviors that developed over millions of years in our primate ancestors that are not functional in modern technological societies.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 02:01 | 6181541 Luc X. Ifer
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Oh George Carlin where art thou brotha?!

https://youtu.be/rsL6mKxtOlQ

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 04:01 | 6181615 pretty bird
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Paul Craig Roberts likes to smell his own farts.  He's been talking this crap for ages.  Where is the destruction?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 06:14 | 6181676 new game
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fuck off u dumb muther fucker

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 07:33 | 6181764 VinceFostersGhost
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THANK YOU!!!

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 00:14 | 6185313 Anusocracy
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"Where is the destruction?"

First guess would be in whatever passes for a brain in your head.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 07:14 | 6181744 NeedleDickTheBu...
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Is that you Vickie N.?  Hopefully, the letters F-O have some meaning to you.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 10:46 | 6182409 Luc X. Ifer
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oh gawd, how big is your garden, even this hypocrite idiot has a place in it ...

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 06:00 | 6181667 wiser
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"Washington even forced Switzerland to violate its own laws in order to comply with Washington’s insistence on the absence of any financial privacy."

and rightly so..... Swiss banks are the international laundromat of illegal money... heads of state thieves, corrupt public officials, drug money etc. get accommodated in Switzerland..

Thanks to secret banking, the money coming in from drugs and other squalid transactions arrives dirty and departs without so much as a blemish towards the international property and stock markets. However complicated the rinsing process, the laundry always fulfills its task with impeccable efficiency. In the 1980s, when Ronald Reagan presided over the United States, Zurich was the center of operations for many-sided transactions under the direction of Colonel Oliver North. According to Jean Ziegler, US weapons would arrive in Iran, an enemy country, and be paid for largely with morphine and heroin; the drugs would then be sold from Zurich and the money deposited there. It, would subsequently be used to fund the mercenaries who bombed co-operatives and schools in Nicaragua.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 07:37 | 6181777 onthesquare
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Apparently Switzerland was neutral during ww2.  That is what we have been told and expected to swallow from our history teachers.  History is a joke.  Write what ever you want and make them believe it.  A lie told 10000...no wait 1000...no wait 100...oh what the hell 10 times becomes the truth.

Welcome to the world of lies and deception and if you don't believe it at first then you will eventually see that, although your questions have merit, the NWO does not give a fukc.  They turn their backs for a while, they have convinced all but a few and those few, standing on the side lines with that stupid look on their faces, eventually realize that they are getting away with it.  The smirk on their faces are made in their minds with the retorical question...so now you know, you have found us out...but we are moving on know and there is nothing you can do about it because you are alone, no one wants to hear your theory, facts, questions, etc.  So shut up and watch the show.

Some days I envy my dog.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:31 | 6181420 ebworthen
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True, but the lies are bigger, bolder, and more audacious in the U.S.S.A.  Number one!

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:11 | 6181479 Bay of Pigs
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"The joint attack by Clinton Democrats on private pensions and by Conservative Republicans on public pensions means that no American can look forward to having a pension. Americans are only one presidential election away from the loss of their pensions, and it doesn't matter who they vote for."

And there you have it in a nutshell....

 

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:37 | 6181511 Ying-Yang
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True dat ebworthen.

The amazing thing they are just saying what they are going to do. In your face!

The fascade is being pulled back which is the next phase of conditioning. Ahem!

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 03:52 | 6181606 Realname
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'Fascade'? Is that like a cascading facade or a facade thats cascading?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 02:32 | 6181568 giovanni_f
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"Yeh sure whatever.   No one is ever exploited in a communist, fascist or socialist country."

That's not the issue, asshole.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:15 | 6181389 Doña K
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Okay Mr. Roberts;

We have our suitcases packed and ready to go with basic stuff. We will buy more as needed in our destination. We both have 2 passports and we speak a few languages. Plus there is the perpetual traveller option. Where do you suggest we go?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:52 | 6181454 JustUsChickensHere
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Sorry to rain on the parade, but the Perpetual Traveller option does not work for long. Technically it does, but you get very tired of being on the move.

As you get older, the effort to comply with the ever changing 'residency' rules tips past the point where it is worth it. Sure you can dance around the rules while you have the energy, but that only lasts a while.  I tried it ... and gave up.  Ill health triggered that loss of energy, but I was already adjusting back to being a simple tax donkey when that happened.

On a long enough time frame  ... ...

In the long term, a more practical approach is to adjust your lifestyle to what you actually need. That is surprisingly little, easy to fund, and if you have accrued some assets while in the manic PT phase, incredibly tax efficient.

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 02:29 | 6181567 RaceToTheBottom
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I looked into world cruises into perpetuity and they are very expensive...

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 06:28 | 6181680 MarkGoldman
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Amen.

I feel the same way about die hard preppers who make themselves staionary targets in their zeal to protect a bunch of shit they may or may not need. Go light, simplify, and if you must bug out, at least it feels familiar. 

+1 on good health, every other prep is irrelevant without this #1.

 

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 06:39 | 6181689 Seek_Truth
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You spoke truth.

Learn to survive- to start fire, build shelter, clothing, forage, fish, hunt, trap, etc.

Do your utmost to develop faith, hope, and love.

Most importantly, put your faith in God.

See you on the other side.

If God wills.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:24 | 6181498 manofthenorth
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Well DonaK

how about a little trip to Washingtom D.C. for some local history.

Fuck it , I will save you the time and money.

Try this on for size.

In 1924, a grateful Congress voted to give a bonus to World War I veterans - $1.25 for each day served overseas, $1.00 for each day served in the States. The catch was that payment would not be made until 1945.


However, by 1932 the nation had slipped into the dark days of the Depression and the unemployed veterans wanted their money immediately.

In May of that year, some 15,000 veterans, many unemployed and destitute, descended on Washington, D.C. to demand immediate payment of their bonus. They proclaimed themselves the Bonus Expeditionary Force but the public dubbed them the "Bonus Army." Raising ramshackle camps at various places around the city, they waited.

The veterans made their largest camp at Anacostia Flats across the river from the Capitol. Approximately 10,000 veterans, women and children lived in the shelters built from materials dragged out of a junk pile nearby - old lumber, packing boxes and scrap tin covered with roofs of thatched straw.

Discipline in the camp was good, despite the fears of many city residents who spread unfounded "Red Scare" rumors. Streets were laid out, latrines dug, and formations held daily. Newcomers were required to register and prove they were bonafide veterans who had been honorably discharged. Their leader, Walter Waters, stated, "We're here for the duration and we're not going to starve. We're going to keep ourselves a simon-pure veteran's organization. If the Bonus is paid it will relieve to a large extent the deplorable economic condition."

June 17 was described by a local newspaper as "the tensest day in the capital since the war." The Senate was voting on the bill already passed by the House to immediately give the vets their bonus money. By dusk, 10,000 marchers crowded the Capitol grounds expectantly awaiting the outcome. Walter Waters, leader of the Bonus Expeditionary Force, appeared with bad news. The Senate had defeated the bill by a vote of 62 to 18. The crowd reacted with stunned silence. "Sing America and go back to your billets" he commanded, and they did. A silent "Death March" began in front of the Capitol and lasted until July 17, when Congress adjourned.

A month later, on July 28, Attorney General Mitchell ordered the evacuation of the veterans from all government property, Entrusted with the job, the Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired and two marchers killed. Learning of the shooting at lunch, President Hoover ordered the army to clear out the veterans. Infantry

and cavalry supported by six tanks were dispatched with Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur in command. Major Dwight D. Eisenhower served as his liaison with Washington police and Major George Patton led the cavalry.

By 4:45 P.M. the troops were massed on Pennsylvania Ave. below the Capitol. Thousands of Civil Service employees spilled out of work and lined the streets to watch. The veterans, assuming the military display was in their honor, cheered. Suddenly Patton's troopers turned and charged. "Shame, Shame" the spectators cried. Soldiers with fixed bayonets followed, hurling tear gas into the crowd.

By nightfall the BEF had retreated across the Anacostia River where Hoover ordered MacArthur to stop. Ignoring the command, the general led his infantry to the main camp. By early morning the 10,000 inhabitants were routed and the camp in flames. Two babies died and nearby hospitals overwhelmed with casualties. Eisenhower later wrote, "the whole scene was pitiful. The veterans were ragged, ill-fed, and felt themselves badly abused. To suddenly see the whole encampment going up in flames just added to the pity."

May God bless the US fuckin A

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:35 | 6181512 Seek_Truth
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Thanks for the reminder.

That bit of US history is very telling.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:36 | 6181515 Oh regional Indian
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Ugly story, unlikely players and such a tell regrding reality vs. Rah rah, support the troops...

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 02:13 | 6181550 Larry Dallas
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manofthenorth

This is fascinating. Can you quote a source so I can post this when people start laying on the 'Murica shit so thick?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 02:22 | 6181559 Seek_Truth
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Don't you know how to do a websearch?

Here are plenty of articles on the subject, pick one or more:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ww1+veteran+bonus&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 02:35 | 6181571 manofthenorth
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http://www.historynet.com/the-bonus-army-war-in-washington.htm

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/snprelief4.htm

Sad truth is our country has a long history of screwing over those who have sacrificed the most for it.

You will NEVER see a Bush,Clinton or Obama get a Purple Heart.

You can be sure they will receive plenty of benefits.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 08:41 | 6181946 usednabused
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"Sad truth is our country has a long history of screwing over those who have sacrificed the most for it."

I am not disagreeing with what you say, just pointing out that they screw everyone else over worse yet. They didn't just run the native americans off their land, they shot them indiscriminately. They don't just run foreigners off their homelands if theirs oil or resources underneath them, they bomb them into the stone age.

Seems pure sociopaths and criminals have been in charge since day 1.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 06:31 | 6181682 MarkGoldman
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But the oathkeepers will save them!

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:36 | 6181514 Anusocracy
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Find out which countries the government lovers are heading for and pick a different one.

Seriously though, pick one with a high rate of Asperger's, average IQ in the triple digits, low serum testosterone levels, and perhaps recently suffered a fair number of deaths from combat.

Civilization flourishes only through having certain types of minds and when those minds reach a high enough percentage of the population, civilized society becomes possible.

The evolution of man into human was the first singularity,
the advent of machine intelligence will be the second.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 02:36 | 6181574 Troy Ounce
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Try countries with a small government, like uhh..or.....

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:09 | 6181473 HolyfieldsOtherEar
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And Alex Jones baby!

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 06:04 | 6181670 cookies anyone
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actualy they do revolt (a bit too late if you ask me) but the media (suprise,suprise) does not report it.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 11:56 | 6182704 SmittyinLA
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They did revolt and are still revolting.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 19:27 | 6184468 slammin_dude
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Did I miss something or is the civil war with the east not count as doing something, plus the whole Crimea leaving to join Russia....kinda doing more than we are here in the west, just watching football, the freakshow that is tranny Jenner and getting fatter each day.

In the west ukraine the only people with guns are the Nazi's....gun control working wonders

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 09:35 | 6182131 InjuredThales
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Oh yes, exploitation is rife in the West, where it is a "hallmark". Bravo Paul Craig Roberts! Meanwhile, people are so much more free and underexploited in South America, Africa, the Middle East, India, China and Russia, right?

More garbage on ZH. Just another normal day.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:32 | 6181211 Seize Mars
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I am not happy about this.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:42 | 6181230 kliguy38
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No problem.... no one else in Amerika even gives a chit. Too busy hiding from the two escaped CONvicts while they have 435 CONs right in front of them in DC.......

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:58 | 6181235 TeethVillage88s
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The 800 pound Guerrilla is US Federal Budget Growth while Saudi Arabia & Israel expect us to continue each year to protect them.

Maybe that is why the Saudis have gone their own way on Oil Extraction at top level in declining demand.

And Zios have opposed the world superpower.

Anyway protecting Israel with American Superpower only works... with a few certain factors, low corruption, low federal budget spending, controlled US Federal Spending, Integrity of US Business & Government Culture,... US Citizens don't realize the Strong Influence of Israel in Corrupting US Politics... US Citizens don't realize the strong influence of Israel in US Wars and MIC Spending, ... US Citizens don't' realize the strong influence of Israel on US Churches,Press,MSM,Federal-Spending,US-Wars,US-Nuclear-Stance,US-Invasions,US-Politicians,US-Lawyers,US-Bankers... and on and on.

But basically it is a Fascist over the top Foreign Policy about War and Use of Military Force against lessor Nations, and in complete disregard of Civilian Casualties like women and kids. Depleted Uranium, Toxic Waste, Destruction of water and Farmland... no problem.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:39 | 6181220 TeethVillage88s
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Israel OWES US. If they want our power to protect them, they need to Invigorate a US Movement to Ensure the survival of the USA... take us back from the brink... use activism & Lobbying to take the corruption out of our Accounting, Financial Ratings, Complex Bank Credit Links, and Toxic Assets and Federal & Other Excessive Debt.

Sorry Israel... We are going to Endo. We have little Integrity as you know and as your agents have ensured. Our Integrity is gone. We will collapse and you will have few friends.

Sorry Dumb ass. Thanks for thinking about yourself for 60 years and killing the Golden Goose. Dumb Ass.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:12 | 6181384 Clarabell
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This from America's very best friend:

 

“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, 2002

 


Wed, 06/10/2015 - 06:54 | 6181714 Fun Facts
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Or this one...

“Our race is the Master Race.

We are divine gods on this planet.

We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best.

Other races are considered as human excrement.

Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races.

Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron.

The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.”

- Menaheim Begin, 6th Prime Minister of Israel. speech to the Knesset (24 June 1982), quoted in “Begin and the ‘Beasts” Amnon Kapeliouk, in The New Statesman (25 June 1982);

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 12:07 | 6182754 Thisson
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You're both fucking liars and propagandists, here to discredit ZH.  Go fuck off.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 23:42 | 6185259 Clarabell
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I think you're a little confused. You've lost your way Hasbara boy. This is Zero Hedge not Worldjewishdaily.com

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:23 | 6181406 StackShinyStuff
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Israel OWNS us.  Fixed it for ya.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:40 | 6181221 ted41776
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property of monsanto

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:40 | 6181222 nuubee
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The Republicans stole the payroll revenues and spent them on their wars that enrich Wall Street and the military/security complex, and now blame “welfare handouts” for America’s fiscal plight.

 

Ah, yeah, except..

Social Programs = 66+% of the U.S. Federal Budget

Military Industrial Complex = < 30% of the U.S. Federal Budget.

Go ahead and hate both, but it's clear which is the greater evil.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:02 | 6181273 Freddie
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We have one party rule.  The same NeoCons, NeoLibs, Soros and Z-oligarchs looting the Ukraine will do the same to Americans.

They got Western Ukrainians to kill Eastern Ukrianians and vice versa.

Idiots here going on and on about the kabuki cop pool party who should be asking why are these media events being set up?  To start a civil war in America so they can loot what is left like they are doing in the Ukraine.

Idiots on Free Republic (FR) think Porky and Yats are the good guys?  The same Soros stooges just like the ones destroying America.   The FR NeoCon morons are as bad as Libs and have no clue.  They love Yats, Porky and Bibi.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:49 | 6181356 Semi-employed W...
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"Idiots on Free Republic".   You're being redundant.   I got banned from that site over a decade ago for a less than kind remark about their patron saint Shrub. 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:21 | 6181399 Doña K
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Gated and Fenced communities will be the next to be banned.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 10:53 | 6182429 chinooky47
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Some Left-leaning Democrat weanie wrote this article.  Hey you lefties, anybody can call names but facts are the best way to convince anyone of something, not koolaide-talk.  The truth be known the Vietnam war, a Democrat war BTW, and Lyndon Johnsom, a Democrat BTW, put is in debt forever with his war and his welfare state, not the right-wing Republicans.  Johnson enriched himself by owning part of the military industrial complex, i.e. Bell Helicoptor which Lady Bird owned quite a lot of, and greatly expanding a war that didn't need to be so he could enrich himself.  Now we hear Hillary and Bill are enriching themselves on another war, a created war on terror via the crony governments they pinched for bribes.  Then there is the second shoe that fell when your god Obama and your fellow Dems passed a law taking over the medical establishment which will drive the deficite further into the red for ages to come.  Sure medical care is an issue, but not one the federal governmnet is capable of curring.  This is my question to the author of this article, How did Bush enrich himself during his presidency when he retailiated for 9-11 and the spread of Al-Quida? At least he didn't abandon Iraq and Afganistan like this president has. There seems to be some bias in this so-called news article.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:42 | 6181232 WillyGroper
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He forgot simply evil beyond measure.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:46 | 6181237 YHC-FTSE
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It is a very rare thing indeed even at ZH when I find an article in which every single word within it has merit and more importantly for me, to which I cannot add anything of value. Tour de force of astute observation.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:47 | 6181240 SgtShaftoe
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When this thing goes boom it's going to be an event greater than anything in history. It could be bigger than a world war if the idiots want to take it there. Prepare to defend yourselves ladies and gentlemen. Though it may take a generation to get started and finished. Hope your pantry is very deep.

This is going to be epic, and there's nowhere on this planet to run. Apologies to Simon Black.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:56 | 6181250 Jack Burton
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Bill and Hillary were able to spend $3 million on their daughter’s wedding, almost a world record, To marry their daughter into the Israeli tribe, in order to ensure Clintons now will live on as chosen people. Hillary would marry her daughter into the Jewish religion or die trying!  This is not to blame anyone but the Clintons. They know AIPAC and Israel rule America and they want their daughter to be in the power elite, not some hick Christian being ripped off.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:44 | 6181438 DaveA
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Soon enough these financial geniuses will be roasting rats and pigeons over trashcans full of burning $100 bills.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:50 | 6181531 Bay of Pigs
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Come on man, Legs Dimon bought into the Tribe himself...via Judith Kent.

 

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 04:27 | 6181630 WTFUD
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Boy Chelsea's butt ugly; halloween springs to mind.
The dude looks like a child molester.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 10:02 | 6182227 farflungstar
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Chelsea ain't no prize pig but I bet she could do better than that Marc Jewfucksky

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 11:12 | 6182489 large_wooden_badger
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That right there is pure spawn, all of 'em

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:11 | 6181291 TeethVillage88s
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Thanks.

"America’s faithful vassals–Merkel, Hollande, and Cameron–can look forward to equal riches.

Karl Marx was correct when he said that money corrupts all. Everything becomes a commodity that is bought and sold for money.

When money becomes the measure of a person, people have become corrupted. And that is the plight of the Western world."

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:19 | 6181474 Kobe Beef
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Dup.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:11 | 6181478 Kobe Beef
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So.. Who owns the Banks of Weimar World?

Anybody who doesn't understand this is a rhetorical question should allay their historical ignorance by reading Prof. Antony Sutton.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 04:04 | 6181618 Gavrikon
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GORGEOUS avatar, there Jack!

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:53 | 6181254 booboo
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"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal"

I wish he would have been more clear about the thief part. I was thinking of a guy with a stocking over his head and a pistol and not some pasty faced DC douchbag with a million dollar smile.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:55 | 6181259 Jack Burton
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Paul Craign Roberts should has called more attention to world Zionism. Zionists rule America and the UK, they gain more power in the EU every day. Zionism is the religion of greed and theft. Those financial crimes Roberts rightly call attention to are mostly the crimes of the Zionists in Wall-Street, the Banks, the Fed and Corporate board rooms. Zionism began to take total control after Reagan was out of office. Clinton himself brought Zion to the forefront in his administration, and the Zionists have multiplied that power under Bush, and closed absolute power under the idiot Obama.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:06 | 6181280 Soul Glow
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WASPs rule the US and the UK.  Get it right.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:30 | 6181335 Rock On Roger
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FYI

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm#WHO

 

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:05 | 6181373 Soul Glow
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You know about the meeting at Jekyll Island.  You know Rockefeller and Morgan are WASPs.  Israel does have a large banking sector and prominent military but so does China (Toaists), Russians (Orthidox), Cathlics, Islam, and Prodestants.

The world is a myrid of believes but it doesn't take religion for someone to be greedy.

Don't blame religion, blame greed.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:18 | 6181394 Seek_Truth
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Indeed, Soul Glow.

"The love of money (GREED) is the root of all evil." - 1 Timothy 6:10

It isn't just zionists that are greedy and evil- it is anglos, et al.

Greed is a problem that is found in all cultures, races, religions, etc.

But in terms of demonstrable wealth and influence, it is primarily a zio-anglo problem.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:37 | 6181427 Rock On Roger
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I'm inclined to believe Zecharia Sitchin's interpretation of the records of Sumer.

 

We're here to dig and stack.

 

And the god left behind is the shadow on the curtain.

 

Allah Zion Amen

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:48 | 6181448 Seek_Truth
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You should try replacing aliens, annunaki and the rest of Sitchin's ideas with YHWH, Jesus Christ, Satan, Angels and Demons.

Sitchin was prophesied about thousands of years ago:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." - Matthew 7:15

Sitchin's just another huckster looking to make a buck.

Greedy?

Yes.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 03:19 | 6181589 Oh regional Indian
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Sitchin's dead now but yes, while alive and through his books, he was an insidious miis-guider. I was fooled too.

Same shit, but in his case 50-50 truth and desired fantasy.

I hear he was a CFR or Trilateral member or regular invitee, which in and of itself is strange, until you understand what is up!

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 03:53 | 6181607 Seek_Truth
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To be accurate in telling the truth, one must avoid falsehoods.

PS- You're on a roll with your guitar riffs, ORI- really talented stuff. Are you pursuing a commercial venue?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 06:30 | 6181681 Oh regional Indian
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Indeed seek, no such thing as a half-truth.

And thanks mate re. the guitar work. I am actually putting something together to play live and record with as I type. Great vibes in general from this otherwise rather ornery community is good, very good. :-)

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 21:35 | 6184860 Marlon Brando
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Also a Mason   It's part of the plan to further the NWO by using a bogus alien invasion false flag event.  He was a propagandist for Lucifer.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj2ybmocVfo

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:24 | 6181407 DLux
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JP Morgan was a front man for the Rothschilds. The Rothschilds (Zionists) are the most powerful family on the planet. Neocons in US (Cheney, Clintons, Bushes) are Zionist supporters, you don't have to be Jewish to support Zionism.

Israel was founded by Zionist money from the Rothschilds and their supporters.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:07 | 6181471 Seek_Truth
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"JP Morgan was a front man for the Rothschilds"

So was John D Rockefeller.

He was nothing more than an agent for the Rothschilds, financed through the Continental Bank of Chicago.

http://www.beyondweird.com/conspiracy/cn08-51.html

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:15 | 6181486 Kobe Beef
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And the same Warburg family writing the Federal Reserve Act at Jekyll Island was responsible for putting Lenin on a gold-loaded train to enact the Bolshevik Revolution.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 02:07 | 6181533 Soul Glow
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No the Rothschildes aren't behind every banking family.  Sure they are a controlling interst in Goldman Sacks and Warbucks and yes they own Barclays and other large banks but there has been other families that made money too and are just as elite as the Red Shields.

There are many WASP families in the upper elite that have just as much sway as the Rothschildes.  The Morgans, Rockefellers, Pierponts, Vanderbilts, Whitneys, Russells, Pierces, Bushes, the list goes on.

Besides all of thisthey don't cpntrol us.  If society had the balls to break free from this shitty system then we could have.  The control is an illusion.  We are free.  So that's why you should buy silver and be happy that you are alive.

Someday you will die.  Live in this moment.  It's all you have.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 02:43 | 6181575 Seek_Truth
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"Someday you will die.  Live in this moment.  It's all you have."

No, it's not all you have.

You have eternal life- if you only accept His instructions.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - John 3:16

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 04:08 | 6181622 Gavrikon
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Only one life, 't will soon be past.

Only what's done for God will last.

Resisting evil IS doing God's work.  

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 04:38 | 6181632 Seek_Truth
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You are correct, Gavrikon.

But that "one life" endures forever- if you choose.

If you aren't a Christian already:

All you need to do is understand that you are a sinner, repent, and accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior.

If you understand, and believe this:

Say a prayer to God that you accept these things:

1- You have sinned against God.- "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.: -Romans 3:23

2- God tells us where sin leads- "For the wages of sin is death." -Romans 6:23

3- The wonderful news of the Bible is that Jesus died for us, as a ransom sacrifice, was buried, and rose again to pay the penalty for your sin- "But God showed His love for us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." -Romans 5:8

Now, here is what God wants you to do- "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." - Romans 10:13

God wants you to believe His word and accept Christ as your personal savior.

If you will:

Right now, pray this simple prayer, asking the Lord to save you-

"God, I know that I am a sinner, I know that Jesus died as a ransom sacrifice for me. Please forgive me of my sin, come into my heart and save me. In Jesus name, amen."

God bless you! It's wonderful to be a Christian!

If you did the above, with faith in your heart, you are now "born again", a spiritual baby.

God will show you the way forward.

If you did this long ago, then you (hopefully) have made some level of progress on this path.

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 10:09 | 6181943 stiler
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A history of Christian Zionism, from 6:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2amA3Rk5wzI

This is why America was blessed with grace for so long, but any longer? Ppl don't believe this anymore. Genesis 12 I will bless those that bless you and curse...

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 09:09 | 6182046 usednabused
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Nice thought Seek, but you know what really turns the christian switch off for people?

Its seeing some people profess their christianity, then seeing those same people rip others off, then sit right in the front pew. They would do anything immoral to accumulate wealth. Many big name 'christian' preachers come to mind, as well as many big name politicians. GWB being the most laughable.

Its as if those know its just a fucking ruse, and a method to put another one over on the gullible. They are totally convinced that life is all about how much wealth you can leave behind, once the lights are out they're out.

I don't share their beleifs, but I do recognize them. The one common thread to all those above mentioned people is greed problem. Its apparant in a high percentage of the population, through all religions too. But Zionism in particular enshrines it. Those who practise zionism are not all jewish by any means, but they are all lucifers disciples.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 14:35 | 6183306 Seek_Truth
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You nailed it.

It goes a long way back.

To Rome, when the great apostacy occurred.

Constantine hijacked "christianity" and blended in all kinds of pagan and satanic practices and beliefs that ARE NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE.

Things like Christmas trees and gift giving (Saturnalia), Easter bunnies and eggs (Ishtar worship), idol worship, immortality of all souls, triune gods, etc, etc, etc.

But- if one takes the time to read their Bible carefully, they will find out what REAL CHRISTIANITY IS.

And what it isn't.

Modern "christianity" isn't Christianity, because it is all descended from Roman/Constantinian "christianity"- which is apostacy. See https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2%3A3-12

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:32 | 6181509 bid the soldier...
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The Rothschilds now hold Poroshenko's assets in trust.  

I hope this doesn't spell any trouble for Peppermint Patties.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:26 | 6181413 SMG
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Luciferians control everything.   Jewish people, WASPs, just about any "group" you can think of, they have a way to controll all of them to execute their Luciferian agenda.   Fight the devil, it's the only way to win this battle.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:10 | 6181476 Seek_Truth
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"Fight the devil, it's the only way to win this battle."

Bingo.

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." - Ephesians 6:12

"Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God." - 2 Corinthians 4:4

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 02:57 | 6181580 Lin S
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Bible Fail.

You're quoting from an apostate, copyrighted, counterfeit, New Age translation. Not God's Word.

Get a KJV and READ IT. Then you'll know Truth.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 03:24 | 6181586 Seek_Truth
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Wow.

You are so brainwashed, I'll pray for you.

Here are the same quotes from the KJV:

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." - Ephesians 6:12

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." - 2 Corinthians 4:4

What, pray tell, is different in the message?

Nothing.

I pray for you KJV ONLY advocates that you someday get the message.

The 1611 KJV is full of errors, does not use the oldest available texts, uses obsolete English languange, and yet- all the points made have been preserved by God through all translations (bar a few).

Check out biblehub.com.

Easy to compare translations- one against another.

PS- I am well acquainted with the KJV.

PPS- You are a dispensentionalist Baptist, or a 7th day adventist. Am I right, or am I right?


Wed, 06/10/2015 - 04:11 | 6181623 Gavrikon
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I think sometimes that these guys are low-information types.  We all love the beauty of the KJV English, but it doesn't make the text somehow "magical."  That is the same way that people who write fantasy stories will have the character use Latin, as if the words spoken in that language had some special quality.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 04:17 | 6181627 Seek_Truth
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Bingo, Gavrikon.

Most choose style over substance.

I pray for all of us.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 04:55 | 6181643 stacking12321
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no you don't.

because, you don't have my permission to pray for me.

i live in an anti-prayer bubble, it is 100% resistant to prayer and other magical incantations.

you can attempt to pray for me, but you will fail, guaranteed.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 05:04 | 6181648 Seek_Truth
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Lol.

I still pray for you and yours.

I don't need your "permission."

But why would you reject prayers?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 05:24 | 6181656 Ghordius
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I must admit that his "incantation-free zone" is, in my view, as silly as the repeated return to "I will pray for you and yours", in the context of a financial blog

perhaps this aspect of that strange cultural war in the US, in this case between rabid atheism and incessant proselytism (i.e. the attempt to educate and convert other people to a point of view or religion) is of great value for those who engage in it, but I find it... silly. something that it's rooted in my european cultural context, of course

Secularismthe principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries. One manifestation of secularism is asserting the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, or, in a state declared to be neutral on matters of belief, from the imposition by government of religion or religious practices upon its people. Another manifestation of secularism is the view that public activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be uninfluenced by religious beliefs and/or practices.

I understand that Secularism is widely misunderstood, in the US, as most "dreaded -isms"

nevertheless, I do not see the point in insisting on too long discussions on religion, here on ZH

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 06:16 | 6181658 Seek_Truth
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" in the context of a financial blog"

Yes, that is puzzling at first, isn't it?

Until you realize that the Bible, especially the New Testaments prophecies are intertwined with, and predictive of, the secular, and especially the financial world we now live in.

If you pay attention, you just might learn something, I promise.

Revelation chapter 17 & 18 prophesy about a great harlot, "Babylon the Great," the global financial system, who rode upon a Beast (Governments), and how she, and the Beast, fell:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017&version=NIV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2018&version=NIV

Pay attention to the clues given.

If you do so, you will appreciate why I am on this financial blog.

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 06:47 | 6181700 Ghordius
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Seek Truth, I appreciate your prayers. I also found your intervention to "Luciferians control everything.   Jewish people, WASPs... " fine

I am a Catholic, btw, and did study the Bible, in several versions. Nevertheless, there is a point where I find too much "Bible thumping"... well, yes, too much

further, I even visited the grotto where this man, John of Patmos, wrote this book called "Revelations" which you are quoting

which, in my humble opinion, has been misused ever since. Particularly "The Great Harlot" and "Babylon the Great", which were attributed by English and American self-appointed "readers of revelations" as meaning London, Washington, Rome, the Catholic Church, the Pope, the EU and Brussels

even now, this very moment, there is a huge movement of extremely religious Americans that quote daily from the Bible in support for US policies regarding Israel "just because it's in the Bible"

now you attribute 17 & 18 to the "global financial system". Well, imho this just prove that you can use John's book for nearly everything. Quote: "The name written on her head was a mystery"

you see? even at the very moment John looks upon The Harlot, the whole is still a mystery

meanwhile, you "American Bible-Thumpers" are still putting too much religion into foreign policy decisions based on... mysteries. I'd prefer a more secular and rational approach, both there and here

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 07:10 | 6181740 Seek_Truth
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Ghordius, I expected a lengthy reply from you, and I was not disappointed.

Yes, the book of Revelation (and the entire Bible) has been used and abused to subjugate the masses and extract wealth from the masses, of that there is no question.

The great Apostacy was foretold in 2 Thesalonians 2 http://biblehub.com/niv/2_thessalonians/2.htm

So it should not come as a surprise that Constantine subverted the faith and called it "christian" in ~300 AD.

From this Roman "christianity" all denominations descended.

Getting back to the point- it merely takes a bit of detective work to determine the meaning of the "beast", the "whore" the two witnesses". etc of Revelation.

Should you wish to delve further, I will provide the following clues as to the identity of the "Whore of Babylon, Babylon the Great":

There is much confusion as to the identity of Babylon the Great (The Great Whore). However, the following Biblical clues as to her identity found in the following quoted verses from Revelation chapter 18 provide a clear answer:

“The kings of the earth committed adultery with her”  

 What entity has committed adultery with the kings of the earth?

“the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

What entity has enabled the merchants of the earth to grow rich?

“where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth!”

What entity has enabled the transportation industry to grow rich?

your merchants were the world’s great men”

What entity has enabled the merchants to become “great men?”

“By your magic spell all the nations were led astray”

What’s the greatest spell that has ever been used on mankind?

“When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury”

Think about it. What entity is this describing?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 07:34 | 6181767 Ghordius
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don't know. The Roman Empire? John was, after all, a banished political and religious dissident fearing the wrath of Emperor Nero, wasn't he?  ;-)

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 08:02 | 6181791 Seek_Truth
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Lol.

Allow me to simplify.

Let's back up.

I'll first ask the answer to this:

“By your magic spell all the nations were led astray”

What’s the greatest spell that has ever been used on mankind?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 09:26 | 6182105 usednabused
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I'd say it has to be Lucifer's spell. Or the dream of 'riches' he puts in peoples heads. The notion that they can have everything and be just as God. It has corrupted and compromised mankind since day 1 and led to everything evil.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 14:20 | 6183260 Seek_Truth
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It originates with Satan- that is correct.

It is the greatest spell ever cooked up.

Medieval alchemists tried to turn various substances into gold- yet they failed.

The modern financial system (Babylon the Great Whore), with fiat currency, fractional reserve banking, derivatives, etc- has accomplished what no medieval alchemist ever could:

Making money out of thin air.

The greatest magic spell ever.

PS- See comment below 6183217

 

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 10:10 | 6182256 Ghordius
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it is, indeed, a nice argumentation against either "fractional reserve banking" or central banking, or both

yet, still, based on a book which I would not include in any financial study. a book, btw, which was meant for a readership of the Seven Churches of Asia

I dig around their ruins, from time to time. Their End already happened

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 14:05 | 6183010 Seek_Truth
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Your abilities to discern meaning need a tune-up.

The book of Revelation is metaphorical.

Why, then, do you insist that the book was written to seven literal churches?

FWIW- it's a very common mistake.

PS- See comment below 6183217 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 11:46 | 6182478 New World Chaos
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It does sound a lot like the ZWO financial system.  OTOH I think the Beast is the world financial dictatorship which the elites are working on.  So the whore riding the beast must be a somewhat different entity.  Maybe they are different fronts, or different incarnations of the system?

Here's a guy who makes a decent case for the Great Whore of Babylon being America in general and New York City in particular.  http://www.scribd.com/doc/7242015/America-the-Babylon-1

Babylon's great lands are described in the Bible.  One must make a distinction between ancient Babylon (already destroyed, slowly) and future Babylon (will be destroyed in one hour).  A nuke?  One can hope.  BTW, the only town of Babylon in America is a predominantly Jewish New York suburb, right next to the UN.

Doesn't it seem strange that America is not mentioned in the Bible, when many lesser nations are mentioned, plus great nations beyond the borders of the known world?  Maybe America WAS mentioned.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 14:13 | 6183217 Seek_Truth
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A discerning reader- you are trying, that is apparent.

There are numerous entities in the book of Revelation. Numerous clues are given, in the book, as well as the book of Daniel and elsewhere- as to the meaning of the Beast, and the other entities.

The identity of the Beast is a fairly straightforward matter- read the following verses carefully:

" Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come. “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.  They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. -Revelation 17:7-11

Notice that the identity of the Beast is explained. It is a "King", a government. It has 7 heads. Comparing Daniel chapter 8 (http://biblehub.com/niv/daniel/8.htm) and other scriptures, one can easily see what the 7 heads (kings, governments) are:

Seven hills/heads/kings/governments:

1- Egypt

2- Assyria

3- Babylon

4- Persia

5- Greece

6- Rome

7- British Empire (UK/US)

These are the 7 world powers, kings, governments that have existed throughout Biblical history. They have all had a role in shaping world events- especially towards Israel.

But notice that there is an 8th King (Government). It once was (one of these governments), is not (duriing the time of Rome's domination), and yet will be. It belongs to the seven (is one of them).

In order to be as brief as possible, the identity of the 8th King can be ascertained, but it requires explanation:

The 8th King (World dominating government) is Persia (Iran and surrounding nations). We can come to this conclusion based on two criteria:

1)- Process of elimination. Can’t be Babylon (Isaiah 13:19-20; Jeremiah 25:12), so it can only be like Egypt, Assyria, Medo-Persia, or Greece. Note that Egypt, Assyria (Syria) and Greece have no real military power, little money and little potential power. Persia (Iran) has plenty of weaponry, a large military and lots of Gold and Oil. In addition, Ezekiel chapter 50 reveals that God will completely destroy Babylon, and verse 18 says Assyria will be the same way, and again in Zechariah 1:11: “They will pass through the sea of trouble; the surging sea will be subdued and all the depths of the Nile will dry up. Assyria’s pride will be brought down and Egypt’s scepter will pass away.” This leaves only Greece and Persia as the (potential) Beast who was, is not, yet will be- the eighth king.

2)-Further note that Egypt, Assyria (Syria) and Greece have no military, little money and little power. Medo-Persia (Iran) has lots of weaponry, a large military and plenty of Gold and Oil.

It is Iran that will emerge as the dominant world power (government) when the UK/US (7th King/Government) falls.

So, for those paying attention on this financial blog- you might begin to understand why this is important information regarding the financial world.

So, in summary:

The UK/US (7th) will fall, and Iran (8th) will take over as the dominant world power.

And because almost no one sees this coming (and soon): "The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come." - Revelation 17:8b

The great Whore of Babylon (the dominant world financial system) will then be destroyed, as Revelation 18 describes.

This financial system that will soon be destroyed is the one that Zero Hedge discusses daily.

As Paul Harvey used to say- "now you know the rest of the story."



 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 22:34 | 6185064 New World Chaos
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Thanks for that- Will have to read about it some more.  I love ZH for the scholarship (among other things).  Much is to be hidden until the time of the End, but the writing is certainly on the wall...

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:27 | 6181504 bid the soldier...
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Maybe he don't want a rattle snake in his mail box.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 08:36 | 6181701 YHC-FTSE
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I agree that Paul Craig Roberts ought to call more attention to world zionism, but it's difficult in real life. I believe I'm a reasonable man, not given to irrational bigotry or extremism in all its forms. Even so, if I mention the evils of zionism with incontrovertible facts and history, such is the current climate of fear, propaganda and bias (We're way beyond political correctness) about criticising anything to do with judaism, I will almost certainly run the risk of being ostracised by well intentioned but ignorant people who have been conned by a lifetime of pernicious indoctrination to equate criticisms of Israel and zionists with criticisms of judaism. What's wrong with criticising jews where criticisms are due? Nothing, but thanks to the long history of strawmen zionists attacking jews to keep them in a perpetual state of victimhood, it has become a social faux-pas.

Nobody should be above criticism or the law when it comes to crimes, yet that is precisely where we are in the real world where zionists commit serious crimes against humanity, spread hate and wars but are immune from justice or even negative publicity. It's an insane situation.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 14:25 | 6183270 honestann
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Yes.  The honest and effective way to behave is to trash those individuals who are the most vile, evil, dishonest, predatory and destructive.  If a high percentage end up being zionist (or other category), so be it.  If a low percentage end up being zionist (or other category), so be it.

What so many people don't seem to realize is... abstractions are just abstractions (mental-units)!  We cannot defend ourselves against an abstraction (mental-unit), we can only defend ourselves against instances (individuals).

And that is one of the most enormous failures of modern man... he refuses to defend himself against those who lie to him, cheat him, defraud him, threaten him, steal from him, harm him, and attempt to utterly enslave him in every possible way.

Instead, humans are now trained to "complain" at most, but take no actions.  Well, guess what?  Wild, predatory animals do not respond to complaints, they only respond to counterattack... by falling over dead if the counterattack is wise and effective.

Humans refuse to take actions!  And frankly, it is flat out insane for honest, ethical, productive, benevolent folks to expect to be able to live anything remotely resembling "the good life" when they refuse to take real, physical, well-considered, well-implemented actions against those who threaten and abuse them.

IT JUST CANNOT WORK.

Which is why human predators always win, are utterly and completely taking over the entire planet, and why honest, ethical, productive, benevolent humans are finished.

They could definitely turn the tide and win... EASILY.  However that would require something like 1%... or at least 0.1%... totally commit to making wise, efficient plans to eliminate human predators, and then act upon those plans.

Years ago I realized the number of humans who would get real and take the necessary actions was vastly, enormously less than even 0.1%.  And so, I took the only other feasible action... to escape the human predators, live my individual life free of those predators, and give up on the rest of humanity.  Very sad, but the only two feasible alternatives are to defend against them, or escape them.

But back to your point.  We can't fight abstractions, and it does no good to try.  The only possible way to succeed is to identify specific instances/individuals, and treat them in the appropriate manner.  Which in general means to collaborate and cooperate with other honest, ethical, productive, benevolent humans (if we can find any), and exterminate all predators who attempt to harm or enslave us.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 21:19 | 6184807 Reaper
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Honest, ethical, productive, benevolent humans is a false hope. Morality is a construct. Nothing is what you want. We live in a human jungle, where we must accept reality or suffer the consequences. Survive, live and enjoy by rejecting fantasy.

All imagined human paradises are unattainable. All idealism is delusion.

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 15:40 | 6187410 honestann
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I'm not sure what is your point.  Do you claim it is impossible for ANY human to be honest, ethical, productive and benevolent?  You are wrong if you claim that.

Or do you claim it is impossible for ALL humans to be honest, ethical, productive and benevolent?  You are correct if you claim that.

But... there is a HUGE gap between these extremes.

I don't know what you mean by "morality", so I can't address that part of your message.

No matter where we live, we must accept reality or suffer the consequences.  I totally agree with the advice: "survive, live and enjoy by rejecting fantasy".  That's probably the best advice anyone can give... advice nobody seems to pay attention to.

You may live in a human jungle, but I don't, and nobody else needs to either.  In fact, the notion we must "live in a city" or "live near a city" or "at least live in a town or somewhere many other humans live" is one of those fantasies that destroy endless lives.

I live 125km from the nearest human being in the southern hemisphere, in self-sufficient digs I assembled about 4 years ago.  Unless I'm taking a trip for fun and exploration, I only see other humans once every 2 or 3 months when I fly my little airplane to a tiny town ~300km away to pick up any mail/packages waiting for me (ordered over internet).  Even then I usually only see a few humans, and often talk to nobody.

The weather at my digs is wonderful.  The views, geology and environment are astounding.  This is pretty close to paradise for me... I have a difficult time to imagine anywhere nicer.  The total cost was under $400K, including the brand new airplane I bought (my only transportation, since my place cannot be reached by land vehicle).

While my choices and actions may sound "totally out there" to most folks, I must point out that my total budget is about the cost of a typical home, vehicles and vacations for most people in the evil empire or other western fictitious nations.  In fact, apparently my entire cost was about half the price of a dump in Syndey now!  Which means, the only thing holding back tens or hundreds of millions of people from replicating my actions is... their inability to be individualists, their inability to consider any actions "a little outside the box".

And so, I have to disagree with your claim "all imagined human paradises are unattainable".  I imagined it, I explored, I found it, I bought the pieces, assembled them, and not it is real, attained and greatly enjoyed.

Of course, the reason I was able to attain this is... I am a hardcore realist who always rejects fantasy, and I've been that way since I was 4 years old.  That helps a lot, as you rightly claim.

I'm not sure what you mean by "all idealism is delusion".  If you mean it is easy to imagine scenarios and situations that are unrealistically utopian... you are absolutely correct.  I do that too sometimes as a provisional step, but always "get real" (totally, brutally real) before I waste time, effort or resources chasing impossible dreams.

But I do rather enjoy chasing "barely possible dreams", which requires extreme creativity, extreme realism, extreme diligence and extreme dedication to achieve.  But I suppose that's "verycoolism", not "idealism".

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 22:40 | 6188814 Reaper
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Honest, ethical, productive, benevolent and morality are constructs of men. Who makes these definitions and rules? I ask who created those constructs? Why ought I accept them?

I live on forty acres and haven't seen my adjoining neighbors for a year. This week I've watched an eagle's nest from above and seen a eaglet hatched last Tuesday. Today I saw a baby rattlesnake coil up and threaten me with its bright red tongue. That little rattlesnake behaved by instinct to threaten me rather than run away. What determines how you, I or that rattlesnake make choices? Idealism is a construct of men, why acccept?

I'm glad you've found your paradise and not their paradise.

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 23:33 | 6188951 honestann
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What matters is, you have sensible mental-units, know their reality-status, and manipulate them sensibly.  When communiticating with other humans, it does help to adopt meanings others can understand (and explain your meaning when they're not clear to everyone involved).

In other words, create your own constructs, keep them sensible, and accept them.

I still don't know what you mean by "idealism".

Fri, 06/12/2015 - 09:22 | 6189789 Reaper
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Idealism: imaging or attempting to attain a perfect world.
I doubt the value of that perfection. I question, from whom did you obtain that model? Was that model obtained genetically from within?

Fri, 06/12/2015 - 15:56 | 6191176 honestann
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So, is it "idealism" to attempt to attain as close as practical to a perfect world if you understand that you can never get more than part way?

Also, is "idealism" necessarily collectivist?  I mean, does "idealism" presume everyone and everything becomes perfect?

Much of the problem of the modern world is... people thinking something like "my life can't be any good unless the entire nation/world becomes good".  Since nobody has that kind of influence on the world, that's a sure recipe for failure and depression.

Also, it is trivial to imagine all sorts of wonderful situations... the mind has no problem visualizing utterly impractical (but would be wonderful) scenarios.  And so, if "idealism" is thinking "we have to achieve such ideals", then "idealism" completely ignores the fact that "reality is not imagination".

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I'd hate to think people give up on improving their lives (and reality) just because they realize their lives (much less the universe) can never become completely ideal.

Fri, 06/12/2015 - 21:17 | 6191677 Reaper
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From whence comes the ideal? Is not individual reality only a personal perception? Why should any outsider control your perceptions? I choose, therefore I am. They choose, therefore we are. Your choice?

Fri, 06/12/2015 - 22:12 | 6192241 honestann
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All these bifurcations are artificial.  The universe is everything.  I am a tiny part of the universe.  I can examine that part of the universe that is me.  I can examine other parts of the universe that are not me.

The term "individual reality" is TOTALLY BOGUS.  There is ONE reality, and only one reality.  Those kinds of terms just cause people to lose control of their own brain and come to insane conclusions.

Questions like "why should any outsider control my perceptions" seem loaded with implications to me.

My perception is a set of processes in that part of the universe that is me.  However, that process also involves input of electromagnetic radiation, temperature, humidity, pressure, gravity, forces and all sorts of influences from outside.  My perceptions also involve some input from inside myself (in addition to the processes themselves)... for example "a itch" or "a headache".

None of the above is problematic to me whatsoever.  It is all coherent and makes perfect sense to me.  In fact, I cannot imagine any other way it could be (that is consistent with the nature of reality to the extent I understand it).

Maybe I'm just to healthy mentally to understand the wackiness that people associate with "idealism".  I dunno, because I just don't see it.  I also don't understand why humans get so twisted up by the totally natural fact that they are part of reality, and are influenced by the reality around them.

There's just me and the universe I am part of.  I can manipulate the universe to make it more to my liking, and so I do.  What more is there?  Nothing.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 11:37 | 6182606 U-P-G-R-A-Y-E-D-D
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Zionism - meh - that is a silly Jewish Nationalist idea conjured up by a few Jews who were confused by bourgeoning Euro Nationalism in the late 1800s. What should be pointed out is Jewish Supremacy. That exists as a parasite on nations...not as a pursuit of its own nation.  There has been a weird shift since the creation of Israel and the criticisms of Israel have become more acceptable.  At first it was "Anti-Zionism", which people limited to their criticism of Israel as a Jewish, whatever, takeover state.  Then the Jews said "that's antisemitism" - so the anti-zionists hardened into their position that it's just a political critique - we love jews!  If you use the word Zionism to avoid critiques of antisemitism because it scares you - then I get it.  However, to be straightforward, what needs to be called attention to is Jewish Supremacy feasting upon goys.  The position is antisemitic...and that's ok.  In WWII, the US was "anti-Japanese" because they were the enemy.  In Vietnam, they were "anti-NVA" because they were the enemy.  If Jews have parasitically colonized US/EU institutions and are attacking the people, siphoning off resources, then they are an enemy and the position should be anti-semitic.  Stop using the word Zionist as a stand it when you mean Jews - I know it has a ring "Anglo-Zionist Empire", but it's WAY more than a bunch of puerto rican look Jews living in shitty concrete blocks on the Mediterranean.  It's about DC, London, and the bankers. 

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:58 | 6181264 Reaper
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Our uebermenschen are greedy swine. Our trust in government swine is a fallacy. There is no good king. There is no good central committee. Our god of democracy is dead. The Ukrainian fools are the harbinger. Fools trust their masters. Paul Craig Roberts cries in the wilderness; we fail to listen.

We hear, but refuse to listen. We know, but refuse to acknowledge. Our Republic is dead. Our Constitution is fantasy. Our laws are delusion. Our imagined pensions are looted. Trust was an opiate. There is nothing.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 09:30 | 6182116 usednabused
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Then by your deductions, there is only the dying left  to do. But by your masters reckoning, there's a life of slavery ahead for your offspring. That, freind, is why you need to help voices such as PCR in any way you can.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 21:22 | 6184820 Reaper
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No, not dying, but living as best you can. My offspring must seize their own reality.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:04 | 6181276 Soul Glow
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Paul Craig Roberts was right!

- slogon circa 2016

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:10 | 6181289 Bazza McKenzie
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Is Roberts writing for the Onion now?

"everything achieved by the Labour Party over many decades has been taken away", Seriously?  All that destructive socialism, run down of British education and health, destruction of industry, flooding the country with Muslims and others from third world countries as part of a Labor plan to dilute those with a British heritage.  It's all been "taken away".

That means the UK must be in tip-top shape.

At least in relation to the UK, this guy has a serious disconnect with reality.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:32 | 6181421 Oh regional Indian
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Bazza, PCR is an insider pretending to be out now.

Leemeeted angout...75% troof, 25% deep programming lies. Like the one you pointed out.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:26 | 6181501 bid the soldier...
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Ori

Denial is the speed bump your 1975 AMC Gremlin just can't get over.

sorry

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:44 | 6181525 Oh regional Indian
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I actually would love to possess a 1975 AMC gremlin. A classic failure.

As for the rest of your comment, all good, we each need to be our own best filters.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 07:44 | 6181795 WillyGroper
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Now that's funny!

In other news...

Listening to Jim Willie now.

Someone was asking why no news on Mr. Ed yesterday.

His source is B4 its news...claiming Kerry was shot, no tricycle accident.

For those interested.

http://oneradionetwork.com/geo-politics/jim-willie-gold-runs-the-game-and-the-east-holds-the-gold-june-9-2015/

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 10:23 | 6182313 Oh regional Indian
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So, now it's Jim Willie Groper?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 13:56 | 6182927 WillyGroper
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 Jane? Stop this crazy thing!

Sort of explains the monster transport & why he's dropped of the front page.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 08:32 | 6181910 actionjacksonbrownie
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Let's not forget the timeless beauty of the Matador, and the ever so practical Pacer! AMC had no peers in the 70's (and that's a good thing).

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:20 | 6181309 VW Nerd
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These same American subjects are still waving their flags and cheering their American champions who happen to be the ones subjugating them.  If I say anything to them, I am met with vitriol and contempt, accused of being unpatriotic.  I suggest if they do not believe me, do their own research.  They don't.  Most prefer to close their eyes and hope.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:33 | 6181339 Freddie
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They are easily ,manipulated by TV and Hollywood.  If you watch it - you support it.

I bet 70% of ZH posters still watch TV.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 04:58 | 6181644 stacking12321
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and i bet 83% of the stats posted to ZH are 100% made-up.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 08:37 | 6181929 actionjacksonbrownie
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I haven't had television for about 15 years now. When I got rid of it, it was simply that I was wasting too much time in front of it. Funny, but now when I enter a room with a television that is turned on, I immediately get a feeling of revulsion. I can't explain why, but it usually forces me to leave the room.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 02:52 | 6181579 Lin S
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Don't feel bad, you're not alone. Same thing happens to me.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:23 | 6181318 VW Nerd
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In so many things such as this, our "elected" "representatives" are complicit it their silence.....

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:26 | 6181326 TeethVillage88s
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"On June 1 the TASS news agency reported that Ukraine has stopped payments to pensioners, World War II veterans, people with disabilities, and victims of Chernobyl. According to the report, Kiev has also “eliminated transport, healthcare, utilities and financial benefits for former prisoners of Nazi concentration camps and recipients of some Soviet-era orders and titles. Compensations to families with children living in the areas contaminated by radiation from the Chernobyl accident will be no longer paid either."

Holy Crap.

Communism Returns.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:36 | 6181426 Kyddyl
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When communism was put in place it was by consent of the people so that theoretically at least everyone had at least the basics. The destruction by Zionism is not leading to communism, not even close.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 02:50 | 6181578 Lin S
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Even the old Soviet Union cared for its WWII veterans. Ukraine today is far worse than the USSR was, IMHO.

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