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Idaho School Arms Its Teachers As Defense Against Violent Criminals
In the aftermath of the 2012 Shady Hook elementary school shooting, the Obama administration did everything in its power to impose even further Second Amendment limitations on general principles. It failed. Instead, what has happened over the past year is a documented series of lethal (and in many cases brutal) gun violence by those tasked to uphold and preserve the law, and who have been specifically instructed how to use weapons: the US police force.
And in a world in which violence is constantly on the rise yet the police can not be relied on to "protect and to defend", one Idaho school has decided to take matters into its own hands.
According to the Guardian, the small Garden Valley School district in Idaho has purchased firearms and trained a handful of staff to use them should the same school shooting rampage that has occurred across the country take place.
The stated reason for this decision, which will surely infuriate anti-gun activists, is that the school is far removed from law enforcement, that it takes the police at least 45 minutes to reach the school district. Furthermore, due to limited funds, the school is unable to afford hiring police officers to patrol the building during school hours.
The solution: the school board approved this month purchasing guns to remain locked inside the school and trained six employees to use the weapons in an emergency. A school board member said that the school has spent roughly $3,500 to purchase ammunition and train six school employees to handle the weapons while the rest of the arsenal was donated by the community.
Truly a novel concept: being prepared for violence instead of leaving your fate in the hands of some (potentially irresponsible) other person, and since the mere preparation will be a sufficient enough deterrent once it is public knowledge - the very same principle behind the concept of Mutual Assured Destruction - the probability of an armed assailant breaching the sanctity of the Garden Valley School district is virtually nil.
“I hope we never have to use them,” said Alan Ward, a school board member who has been discussing this option with the school for two years. “But in the event something did happen, we wanted to be prepared.”
The surprising move has been long coming: in 2013, an eastern Idaho school district approved installing gun safes in its high schools and middle schools in order for school resource officers to have easy access to rifles if needed – the same year the Idaho School Board Association rejected a plan to set up gun training for education staff and teachers. In 2014, state lawmakers approved allowing guns on college campuses.
So far it has worked: according to the Idaho department of education, school districts statewide reported less than 10 weapon-related incidents over the past two years. This includes reports about guns, knives and explosives to schools.
And yet, despite the Idaho's track record of school violence, there are those who promptly brought up hypothetical strawman arguments against the school's chosen path:
Even with training, there is no guarantee teachers and staff will prevent fatalities in a high-stakes situation, said Allison Anderman, a staff attorney with Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a nonprofit opposed to arming teachers.
She added that housing guns in schools could create a chilling effect for students who may be less inclined to speak out knowing that the teacher could be armed. “Just having people armed doesn’t make a school safer,” Anderman said.
Judging by empirical evidence, it does, as does the whole concept of "defense" because knowing one may be potentially met with lethal force will make one far less willing to engage in lethal threats in the first place. It is called deterrence for a reason.
As for students not speaking up over fears of being shot, questions emerge about what traumatic events may have defined Ms. Anderman own personal upbringing.
We conclude with a summary by John Vibes, whose recent takes on guns and school violence has been spot on:
As many of you who follow my regular work are already aware, I am an advocate of unschooling and homeschooling. I feel that the kind of schooling that we have today is counterproductive and oppressive, so I don’t feel that children should be forced to go to public school to begin with.
There may be a lot of great teachers out there, who care about what they do and have very good intentions, like the world famous educator John Taylor Gatto. But even he found the top down structure of the school system and the curriculum provided is very damaging to the minds of children.
He left public schools by writing his resignation letter in the op-ed pages of the Wall Street Journal, starting the letter off by saying that he “refuses to continue hurting children.” He then went on to start an incredible career in writing, researching and speaking out about the dangers of compulsory schooling.
This element is important because the public school system combined with other forms of child abuse has worked to create the kind of violent and angry culture that we see today. When you treat people like prisoners and second class citizens for the most vital developmental years of their lives, you are going to create confused, bitter and deranged people. There is still value in group learning settings, and there is still value in teachers, but what we have today is indoctrination, not education.
With that being said, whether we are talking about a place of voluntary group learning in a free society or the compulsory public schools that we see today, the administrators should be armed. A convenience store clerk protects his store with a gun, and by the same logic a teacher or administrator should be able to protect the lives of children with a gun as well.
Which makes sense, and which probably explains why the administration will fight too and nail to prevent the case study of the Garden Valley School district from going national.
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Good for them, but it's still only a half assed fix. 'The guns will be locked up in the school' could mean several different things. Do the teachers have to go somewhere to get them if something happens'? Schools should allow teachers who choose to be armed to carry their own gun with them. I do to believe in any restrictions of weapons whatsoever, so the logical step to me is to get rid of gun free zones all together. Adults without a history of VIOLENT crimes should be able to carry whatever they want with them to work, regardless of where that job may be.
Amen: Be your own first responder!
I well remember the policemen who walked the halls when I was in elementary school.
No wait . . .
Peace through superior firepower.
My Own Private (Army) Idaho
Guns is so cool for teh we! Just picked up an old Martini Enfield in .303 this week, there's a rifle with some class!
"Even with training, there is no guarantee teachers and staff will prevent fatalities in a high-stakes situation"
Maybe, but there is a guarantee that teachers and staff WON'T prevent fatalities if they are unarmed sheep trying to barricade themselves inside their shooting-gallery classrooms. Such a dumb argument.
I can donate additional arms and ammunition if needed.
The solution to people doing bad is to be "Mo Bad".... Yeah, that's it!
The Worm is Turning on gun rights
I'd bet this is just the vangard of groups turning local... preparing to be responsible for themselves as TPTB continue the incremental push for more control.
This event speaks volumes about average Joes awakening.
The first time I visited Idaho (before becoming a permanent resident and citizen), was back in 1981. I travelled to a small BLM airport on the other side of Crouch (through Garden Valley). At that time the total residency of Garden Valley was 432 people. The drinking age was still 19. Front doors were unlocked, and people still left the ignition keys in their vehicles. NO ONE robbed ANYONE, because EVERYONE was armed.
FUCK. It has come to THIS.
The fucking GOVERMENT-paid minions who indoctrinate the children in the ways of the NWO feel 'insecure', in this (NOW RESORT) town, and pass a law to protect their OWN asses (but they're doing it for 'the kids').
FUCKING NO SHIT!
'Average Joe' up in Garden Valley is a yuppie puppie TRANSPLANT from either Kalifornia or Washington State; with a boat in the garage and an I-pod, and a divorce or two under his belt, and a 'blended family' with at least ONE mulatto child.
There is hope!
Last weekend my sister-in-law shocked the hell out of me with the email she sent out to her entire family. She said a certain relative for 20 years has been a conspiracy theorist and she and her husband always dismissed him. She is now convinced I was not taunting conspiracies but facts proven over time.
She is last woman on earth that would give me a mea culpa!
Cheers Brother!
Teachers with guns? Wow. That sounds like a great idea. I'm sure nothing could go wrong.
Doesn't the US have a huge armed military as a force of deeterence?
Geez, aren't they smart enough to realize their most likely problem will be from some disaffected student psyched out on prescription SSRI's?
They should be carrying.
Yes, curious how there aren't very many crazies storming into Police precincts, guns blazing!
It's funny because Sandy Hook never happened. Columbine happened, but there's a lot moar to the story than the Official Version Of Events.
Teh we has noticed that the false shootings have calmed down in last whiles? Perhaps burning the remaining faith left in MSM a little too quickly?
Will Bloomberg pay a visit to this school? Cowards are not welcome stay home in joo-york.
All you homos who junked us let's go right now. This is Fight Club.
(crickets)
(looks at wristwatch, which is funny because we don't wear a wristwatch....)
A buddy of mine loves those old Enfields. He has three or four of them. He loves old riffles in general. All sorts of old Mausers, 03A3s, etc... They are fun to shoot, and one advantage of the Enfield is that when you run out of ammo, they make a superb club.
This is the next Gun I'm buying, fantastic!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb6O8pQhdvc
Did you notice that handsome silhouette of a handgun? Beretta 92. I have 2 of them. And a 3 lifetime supply of factory mags. I went overboard. Even I am susceptable to hysteria.
And a HUGE congratulations goes to Beretta for packing up and leaving the Socialist Republic of Maryland after Maryland leftists passed gun laws banning some of Beretta's guns.
LOL, yes!! They came to Tennessee!
Funny video! Terrific sound effects. Too bad you can't go down to Home Depot and pick one up.
Pack a .44 maybe teach can pick an elk off behind the play ground. Love my Idaho!
I grew up in Boundary County, Billy!
Was in Ketchum all winter.
Stay away from Cd'A
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The guys at the range conned me into firing a 30/40 Krag. Damn near killed myself and they nearly split a gut laughing. Bruised up my shoulder until they showed me how to hold it properly. I was thankful it didn't turn out like this.
http://youtu.be/XktBT42WVwE
Miffed;-)
When John Kerry takes a break from controlling the entire world, guess where hangs out...fucking hypocrite, he finds solace in the nice libertarian air (Lefty's Deck) before he recharges to go play king somewhere else. That's how it works folks.
A couple of months ago I sold a 7mm08 to a big sonofabitch. The stock was a bit short for him and he didn't have it pulled in tight. The scope cut the hell out of his nose. He looked like hell.
03A3 is a target rifle.
Mauser is a hunting rifle.
SMLE is a battle rifle.
10 round mag can throw a lot of lead very quickly.
"Peace through superior firepower."
The Colt Peacemaker single action revolver. It was designed for the US cavalry by Colt and adopted in 1873. It was called the Peacemaker for a reason.
Can't happen until you get to nuclear ICBMs.
We had a janitor named Junior. He also sold Certs and pencils before school started. You did not want to cross Junior. Better than an armed guard.
You are, like it or not. The second responders file the report.
From what I read there are mutliple safes in the school. The teachers/admin who signed up to be trained are being kept 'secret' to a degree....I'm certain the locals can figure out who they are but they are not advertising who has access/training.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/05/29/3826721_guns-installed-at-isola...
I think concealed carry is a significant knowledge/training investment for teachers, but I'm definitely not against it.
I think a better option is 2-3 hiding places in each classroom, under biometric lock for each teacher.
I agree. I was frustrated once going for my gun in a hurry and errored the safe combo 2 times. Even when you do it many times, in the heat of excitement things tend to fuck up. My neighbor cracked up and showed me her set up. Loaded .357 on shelves in every room. She really drove home to me the idea of grab, point and click.
Biometrics are kind of iffy. We have them at work and they often fail too. They are handy when they do work but I spend most of my time just manually entering my password.
Miffed
The only biometric device you need is the grip safety on a 1911 .45 pistol.
also know as the beavertail. i like sigs myself double action. nothing confusing when the shit gets heavy.
But single action automatics offer better accuracy.
Personally I'm against concealed carry on pure principle. Put that motherfucker on your hip and let the jackals see that the lion has teeth.
We can't have that in our schools though, for god's sake, kids might realize guns aren't going to just "go off" on their own and blow somebody halfway into the next county.
Pro-gun conditioning is anathema to statists and authoritarians.
Students can be literally insane, which is why it's hard to fully agree. Having been through the various unified school districts in Los Angeles, I can say that a single teacher, oftentimes females 5'5" or shorter, is simply not enough of a presence to keep people away from her holster. If every teacher were a male 6'2", 200lbs or bigger, then yeah, open carry works just fine.
sure if the only thing that changes is you just give teachers guns and call it a day it might not always work out very well.
retention holsters and poppin caps in dumbfucks who try to take weapons from teachers would be my first suggestion.
lets face it, the level of political change necessary to arrive at guns in the classroom in california is pretty much unthinkable anyway.
Thankfully or no, schools are vacant most of the time. IME that's when things tend to disappear most from public buildings.
Idaho?
Oh right, that is where Crazy Joe Clark taught!
pods
New Jersey. Upvote anyway!
Jamie's Gota gun
Absolutely. 75% of Texas have become fat neocon fascists. Prove me wrong. Most texans dream of licking jeb bush's asshole (before wiping).
They've got 2 freeways and an airport named after absolutely guilty war criminals; two are still alive!!!! That's just in one city. Been to TX lately? The 25% are really pissed, but there's a whole ton of dumbfounded dipshits.
Looks like this school is off limits for a false flag.
The kids are probably relieved that they won't be seeing Eric Casebolt any time soon...
Awesome!
FYI, FWIW... In Israel (Isis Ra Elohim), teachers have a gun or an Uzi in their desk. With the training that goes with it, and should go with it, to ensure their safety and that of the class, and the termination of any Perps.
If I were the Principal, I'd invest a few bucks extra, and install bullet-proof classroom doors also, some cameras in the hallway, and some remote control roll-down bars, to partition off different sections of the school from the rest, and thus contain/trap any would-be Perps.
I'd also have troubled or suspicious kids go through a metal detector gate, like at airports, just to make sure some drugged up crazy kid does not go Columbine on anyone. Else, I'd have the Gym/Phys-Ed teacher teach the kids to Take Down a crazed student, by having several kids near him converge on the would-be Perp real fast, until the Teacher gets there to pile on and hold the .45 to the nutjob's head or to cuff him.
"We are a secure school". Guess where parents would send their kids to.
That is a thoroughly rational post. Thank you.
The lockdown however, while a great idea from a tactical point of view, offends my sense of justice. Do it offend yours?
I don't have a better idea to offer, but the troglodyte in me just wants to burn and smash anything and anyone who leads us to a world where we need to do the emminently sensible things you suggest.
Kids ought to be able to go to school without that kind of fear and without the building mimicking a maximum security prison.
Think of all we have lost as a nation in just 40 years.
What in the hell is wrong with us?
Leave it to the fuckin' Israelis to give teachers uzis, fucking crazy stupid fucks. What a piece of shit weapon. Teachers that have an interest (very important) and have the aptitude should be able to carry in school. No bullshit police marksmanship test either. Cops can't shoot for shit. Teachers should be motivated (also very important) to become absolute marksmen if they are carrying (and under stress). Glocks and AR15s / M14s, non-select fire, would be most appropriate. Full auto weapons in a school are tactically stupid unless you're defending a high speed avenue of approach against Pickett's charge.
As a second line of defense: parents, former military or combat shooting trained (and continually trained) should act as QRF for school incidents (not cops). If an incident occurs, the QRF is activated. Cops have no skin in the game; parents do. If the teachers don't take care of it, the parents do while in full battle rattle.
I may be a farmer now, but I know some things about defending stuff.
Even children need to learn that life is full of manageable risks. Bottom line, living free plus the onus of responsibility to kill a murderer > > living under tyranny in a minimum security prison setup. Trust me, the tyrants will find a way to make your life miserable.
"Looks like this school is off limits for a false flag."
I don't know. When you think about it, it would be the perfect school for a false flag, i.e. infitrate the staff with a programmed mind that happens to have the key to the safe and when the time is "right", empty a half dozen magazines before the twisted mind eats the barrel, and then, the antigun folks would have a very convincing field day.
BTW, Idaho is a no permit required open carry state
Permit=Infringe
Control=Infringe
Regulation=Infringe
Gun law=Infringe, don't know why people can't seem to get any of that.
Because they've been told that they're entitled to protection and they believe it and like the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them.
Exactly!! ALL gun laws are unconstitutional.
Guess what. The foreigners who have taken over America don't give a shit if it's unconstitutional or not.
https://thezog.wordpress.com/who-is-behind-gun-control/
But they are going to have to address all the guns in the hands of citizens. Taking them away is going to be costly.
Also, school bonds in Idaho can only pass with a supermajority (66.7%)
Fight too and nail to get an editor.
Bout time .... now we're talkin' !
Scare them youts into book larnin as a bonus
Hell yeah! I wish I'd had a nun strapped with a .45 to set my punk ass straight when I was in Middle and High School! Would've been best for me in the long run...
Oh I can't WAIT to get on MSNBC and watch the hysterical marxist freaks lose their minds over this!!! Popcorn is in the microwave!
Hah ha ha ha .... Oh that will be a screamer!
I can see it now. Eyes bulging, veins popping, sweating profusely, spitting while yelling incomprehensibly aside from the truth leaking out when Ed screams that "they should be shot" with 3 Code Pink guests crying uncontrollably and somebody dressed in a Grim Reaper costume dragging a bunch of miniature child sized coffins onto the stage...
Might make a great reality series. "Naked and Batshit Crazy"
Yep, Arkansas has been back and forth on this Open Carry issue.
Last night, local news had a segment about a guy that went to the movie, while open carrying. He got some support, and some condemnation, ultimately, cops asked him to stow his weapon in his car, but he calmly told them he would just leave instead. there was no attempt to arrest though.
Here' a link to a page of the "confusion", if anybody wants to check it out...
http://www.arkansasmatters.com/sitesearch?q=open%20carry
As for me, 2A is pretty clear, even to a simpleton such as myself.
I prefer concealed carry.
Then, nobody knows who is going to defend themselves.
Exactly. I don't want a perp to know I'm armed...makes me a likely first target.
Didn't you guys read this part of the article?:
"Even with training, there is no guarantee teachers and staff will prevent fatalities in a high-stakes situation, said Allison Anderman, a staff attorney with Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a nonprofit opposed to arming teachers.
She added that housing guns in schools could create a chilling effect for students who may be less inclined to speak out knowing that the teacher could be armed. “Just having people armed doesn’t make a school safer,” Anderman said."
Three statements. Three patently stupid statements. (The rebuttals write themselves.)
People get paid for being this stupid? (Ever feel like you didn't make all the right career decisions in life?)
Genseng, as do I, but I've said for years, "if you're ever over 6 ft. from a loaded weapon, well, that's too far".
If more than an arm's length away, you're to far...
dup
Seeing this stupid argument never ceases to amaze me. You are far more likely to deter a crime from happening in the first place IF and that's a big IF, a criminal who is intent on committing said crime in your presence notices that you have a gun. This is like some kinnd of Jack Bauer bullshit scenario where the criminals are keenly aware of their tactical situation like some kind of highly trained operator AND who wouldn't just move on to somewhere else that doesn't have an openly armed individual present. Give me a break.
And in the event that YOU are the intended target and not a bystander, it is much easier to draw a weapon that is openly carried as opposed to deep concealment say underneath a shirt in a IWB holster. That is a real advantage, not some dreamed up crock of crap to justify the fact that guns make dumb people nervous. The idea that you're going to "surprise" someone with your concealed gun after they've attacked you is ridiculous on its face.
Do not be afraid.
Concealed carriers are all around, protecting your tripping ass.
ok, secret squirrel, whatever you say.
Might even included and 8oz soup can throwing demo illustrate how the kiddies can save themselves with a soup can and cull out the next pitcher for the team
Pro-choice baby!
Smart move. For once.
Apparently the sandy hook zio hoax backfired.
Yes, it was a hoax, yes it was perpetrated by Zionists, and yes, it backfired.
about time.
My feeling exactly. Hopefully the start of a trend.
It's certainly got me thinking about a proposal to my gun club, Re; starting a program to assist with arming teachers...
Dupe.
Why bring up Obama voters?
This is the best news America has had since WW2 ended.
Proactive? What a concept!
I would move to Idaho if I could. Smart choice by the schools there.
Good for them! Maybe common sense and manly behavior will both prevail at some point across all of Idaho and other States, too!
As someone once said, if you're proud to be anti-gun, advertise it with a sign on your lawn.
I have one sign in Russia. No problem with it.
It's all about citizens, not about guns. I have dog- it's more than enough
well, matter of time until some teacher going on or off psychotropic meds shoots some 6th grader for being a jerk. Unclench your rectums, I'm not necessarily saying its a bad idea, but... a bad resultor two will no doubt occur, and the Left will seize upon those incidents so fast your cock will spin.
On the other hand, I may be in the minority here in that I don't for a moment think sandy hook was a "hoax" in terms of real dead kids, etc. Not that I care to argue the point - it is clear it was used to get a gun ban going rather than the conversation we should have had about segreagating the austistic, putting them in pits, and gambling on their combat - like fucking gentlemen.
Please continue to stop just shy of considering if it could be a matter of time until some police officer going on or off psychotropic meds shoots some 6th grader for being a jerk instead!
clearly, the answer there is to arm the 6th graders.
and is it stopping shy when the article is about arming teachers, there, Chief?
By the way, anyone here who is positive sandy hook was all crisis actors live in CT?
I have no idea what elephant you're talking about!
They didn't need everyone there to be crisis actors to pull it off, Chief. And yes, positive it was a hoax.
Can you provide some links? I would like to read more about this.
When I was in high school, we kept our shotguns and rifles in our cars in the parking lot. Nobody cared.
Of course, we weren't force fed mind altering drugs for made up bullshit maladies like ADHD, and most kids had a dad at home.
We had a boxing team and a rifle team. If two kids had a problem, they'd put on the gloves and settle it. No harm, no foul, no criminal records, no arrests and no psycological counseling needed.
Most guys ended up beating somebodys ass, and getting their ass beat a few times. We entered the real world much better prepared for life than kids these days do.
really guys
http://www.today.com/news/newtown-families-reflect-sandy-hook-massacres-2-year-anniversary-1D80365901
all those people are crisis actors - and you're sure of this?
I want to be right, too. How did you become sure that no one died at Sandy Hook? Please tell me.
Because the school wasn't being used at the time? Because of all the crisis actors? Because all of the emergency workers followed NONE of the normal protocols? Because no choppers took any victims away? Because the FEMA workers were filmed walking in circles around the fire station? Because the same crisis actors were used at Newtown AND Boston? Because many "parents" closed on their homes in Newtown on a Christmas day, coincidentally altogether the year before?
*catching my breath
Because Adam Lanza doesn't seem to have actually existed? Because his mother is an obvious fake? Because the coroner couldn't answer basic questions?
etc etc etc
Fuck off. This isn't a fucking joke or a game kiddo. This is very, very serious.
This is the first time I've heard these concepts. Can you provide any links substantiating the points you've made? I'd like to read more about this.
The only links you'll get are bullshit links to bullshit sites. Save your breathe. Just remember, everything is a false flag, everything is fake - everything. I really don't understand the psychological need some people have to build a fantasy world that only they are privvy to.
Perhaps it gives them a sense of self worth and a feeling of superiority to imagine that they are smarter than others, and they know "the real truth".
In the end, it doesn't matter because none of their mountains of internet ink is going to bring any of those kids that Adam Lanza killed back, prove that the moon landings were fake, etc.
MeatTrapper
Wow you sure are confident. Me? Not so much.
I do not have a sense of superiority. I simply know that the media is as fake as can be. My conclusion has been reached because I'm pretty good at writing down facts and connecting them with logic.
A pretty good overview is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTafqejV6k
although it's lengthy. It's worth seeing for sure. But a little more digging on your own is warranted.
"I simply know that the media is as fake as can be."
I agree.
Now show me that one child that was claimed to have been killed is still alive. Show me that one child that was claimed to have been killed was not killed.
Period.
Show me. Tell me the name. Or shut the fuck up.
Either those kids were shot or they weren't. It's a very simple question.
Can you answer it? Don't tap dance around the periphery; don't talk about some person in a video that happens to look like somebody else - give me the name of one fucking kid that was supposedly killed in that attack that is still alive.
This is your chance to stand up and break this case wide open. This is your chance to post irrefutable proof that Sandy Hook never happened, and that everyone involved is a liar and in on it.
Step up to the plate. Seize the moment. Show me.
Of course dude, that damn 3rd dimension is a fake too; an error of our senses. If we could just accept we're nothing more than bi-dimensional information on the surface of the universe's event horizon everything would be so much better...
Why would that be a special tragedy? Cops do this to citizens all the time.
So what happens when one of the teachers goes nuts? Do they start arming the dinner ladies? Just ban weapons in America already, as a population you have too many retards, it's not safe anymore. I'm OK with Europeans having guns, it's not the guns I am afraid of, it's Americans.
Another one of their fellow teachers, smokes the bastard.
You can't ban guns in USA, as you can't do it in middle east or Africa.
Itch:So what happens when one of the teachers goes nuts? Do they start arming the dinner ladies? Just ban weapons in America already, as a population you have too many retards, it's not safe anymore. I'm OK with Europeans having guns, it's not the guns I am afraid of, it's Americans.
Yea, Ban weapons, that'll work. Jeez what a dim bulb. Taking into consideration the fact that there are millions and millions of legally owned firearms by Americans and we're not seeing gun battles in the streets by these gun owners then your fear is irrational and unfounded. If you're so afraid of Americans, just leave, problem solved.
Lol, ban all "weapons." Good one.
Surely it would be easier to just ban murder, rape, and aggravated assault.
You'll have to pry my toothpick out of my cold dead lips.
And I immediately thought of...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaN_23J9wWo
Too funny.
Lmao the chair.
Sure, because people who go nuts only bring guns to places where they're allowed to have'em!
I'm not afraid of the guns either, it's the cops with guns I'm afraid of.
Here is what can happen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
FTA: "...in June 1926, he [Andrew Kehoe] was notified that his mortgage was going to be foreclosed."
Maybe we should outlaw mortgages.
Lookup the rate of "Glassing" in gun free UK. Prepare to be stunned.
So basically you'd rather have the only guns in the hands of criminals.
Itch, I am perfectly okay with your not being worried about guns AND being afraid of Americans. I will do my utmost to keep it that way.
Is Itch a troll or is he really this fucking stupid?
"I'm OK with Europeans having guns"
Me too. Too bad their masters won't allow them. We Americans are tired of going over there and pulling the Germans off their women every few decades. We'd appreciate it if they'd man up and pull their own weight.
Step in the right direction .
I'm OK with Europeans having guns, it's not the guns I am afraid of, it's Americans.
Ha! most of them EURO _PEONS lost teir manhood along time ago, ...AND THEY STILL SUCK UP TO ROYALTY!
The Duke and Duchees of Windsor had 2 dogs, named Israeli and Trooper... go figure.
We think in Russia that gun is a tool to protect your nation from external threat, because we can solve problems with our citizens with talks.
Americans think that gun is a tool to protect your home from other citizens.
you can't change that mentality
Tell that to the kulaks.
you know nothing about gulags, never was and never will. You can go to RUssia to Saint-Petersburg, i will wait for you and we can talk about it.
Main point that gulag was created after civil war and WW2 in USSR.
USA is hiding war criminals, killers, rapist,etc from europe, not us.
SO stfu and
Tell that to inhabitants of America and black slaves.
THe Chekists stacked em up like cordwood and hosed down the floor with Germanic efficiency.
It's not the gulags- gulags is working camps in Siberia and across the country. They were building infrastructure in the hard environment, many of them died from cold or diseases.
Most of them were sentences for war crimes.
you guys need to stop believing in fairy tales and in HOllywood.
Its very stupid
Kowalli, I think he means "Kulak"
The word kulak originally referred to independent farmers in the Russian Empire who emerged from the peasantry and became wealthy following the Stolypin reform, which began in 1906. The label of kulak was broadened in 1918 to include any peasant who resisted handing over their grain to detachments from Moscow.[1] During 1929-1933, Stalin's leadership of the total campaign to collectivize the peasantry meant that "peasants with a couple of cows or five or six acres more than their neighbors" were being labeled "kulaks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak
you know nothing, but you think that you know everything.
It's stupid2
Problem with the guns is the same everywhere -
you need to know where can you used it.
Many people believe that gun(no gun) is way to solve all their problems with law and with other people.
I don't care to ask them if they are citizens, illegals, or on work visas.
It's true.
Well, you say citizens, but America is overrun with illegals, foreigners who don't care how our country works, gangs, etc.
It's frightening to live in a country with open borders, and no accountability for the people entering the country...you know, like when the foreigners killed the Indians.
Hence, guns.
Citizens are people accepted in community, so it's a both way street in any case.
Tell that to the survivors in Grozny.
I have an idea kowalli, how about you live your life, your way - and we'll live our life our way?
I know our governments will never agree to that, but We The People can.
Private gun ownership in America has little to do with protecting oneself from other citizens, and everything to do with citizens from themselves from government.
You do what you want wherever you are, but as for me and mine, we shall abide by the 2nd Amendment.
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
http://www.cafepress.com/texasbigbird.610077308