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Obama Considers Sending More Troops To Iraq
Earlier today we described the situation currently facing Syria’s soon-to-be ex-President Bashar al-Assad as follows:
And speaking of time, the US-led alliance realizes very well that as long as Assad has to fight three fronts: i.e., the Nusra Front in the northwestern province of Idlib and ever closer proximity to Syria's main infrastructure hub of Latakia, ISIS in the central part of the nation where they recently took over the historic town of Palmyra, and the official "rebel" force in proximity to Damascus, Assad's army will either eventually be obliterated or, more likely, mutiny and overthrow the president, putting the Ukraine scenario in play.
Meanwhile, the US is waiting just across the border for the right time to sweep in and effect a long overdue (in the eyes of the US and its Middle Eastern allies, if not in the eyes of Iran and Russia) regime change in Damascus.
Complicating the issue is ISIS, a one-time “strategic asset” that has, for all intents and purposes, gone rogue by deviating from the original Assad usurpation plan, and getting sidetracked by the whole internally conceived “establish a caliphate” idea.
Now, it appears the US doesn’t know whether it wants to stick with what was probably the original plan (i.e. wait until ISIS overruns Assad and then storm in with 10,000 marines to ‘liberate’ the country before installing a more ‘agreeable’ leader after some farce of an election) or speed up the process by claiming that Assad is in fact working with ISIS and using the imaginary unholy alliance as an excuse to invade now.
If Washington tends to go with Plan A, it would certainly make sense why Obama told leaders at the G-7 that this US doesn’t “yet have a complete strategy because it requires commitments on the part of the Iraqis.” The strategy probably goes something like this: 1) bide time until Assad’s army is decimated, 2) issue burn notice on black-flag waving former CIA asset, 3) announce Syria’s liberation, 4) install puppet government, 5) send “you’re welcome” note to Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
The only thing “incomplete” here is securing public support for ground troops. Lately, the US has begun to float a few “boots on the ground” trial balloons, with some hawks suggesting that forward “spotters” may be necessary in order to make the aerial assault on ISIS more ‘effective’ and today, we get a few more feelers from The White House, as the President is reportedly considering sending additional troops to Iraq “for training.”
Via Reuters:
U.S. President Barack Obama is weighing steps to bolster Iraq's battle against Islamic State, including expanding the number of training sites for Iraqi forces, but the overall U.S. strategy is not in question, the top U.S. military officer said on Tuesday.
General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a small group of reporters during a trip to Israel that it was still "to be determined" whether more forces might be needed in such a scenario.
A senior U.S. military official, speaking separately on condition of anonymity, said any decision to expand training of Iraqi forces would likely only require a "modest" increase of trainers and support personnel.
We'll close with the following quote from Senate uber-hawk John McCain whose rhetoric demonstrates precisely why, in the end, fearmongering will likely be more than enough to rally support for a US 'operation' in the region:
"ISIS goes from house to house in Ramadi with lists of names and they execute people and they kill 3-year-old children, and they burn their bodies in the streets and the atrocities in Syria continue as Bashar Assad barrel bombs innocent men, women and children."
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This is turning into fucking Vietnam all over again. "Trainers and support personnel." Even the language barely changes. I'm surprised they haven't slipped up and said "communist" or "domino theory" by accident yet.
The Democrats did a bang up job with that war, too.
They had available divisions for Vietnam, we now would be lucky to find a deployment ready regiment. Our best hope is just to let the local players fight it out while doing what Russia does and send them plenty of weapons to kill each other with....
Wait until both sides figure out that they're just being played.
"I can't tell you if the use of force in Iraq today will last five days, five weeks or five months, but it won't last any longer than that."
- Donald Rumsfeld
Well for round one he was right, but the middle east is the ultimate fight club and if they are breathing, they are fighting.....
"We Will, In Fact, Be Greeted As Liberators... I think it will go relatively quickly...weeks rather than months."
- Dick Cheney
“Liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk.”
- Kenneth Adelman
“The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason"
- Paul Wolfowitz [ Leo Strauss Protege]
“There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction"
- General Tommy Franks
Why shouldn't he?
There will be no nightly dead GI Tallies, no anti-war protestors, not even a Chosenite media story on page Z45 about him lying about troops in Iraq....That's reserved for 'Republican wars'
Im sure a community organizer will make solid military strategy decisions /sarc
He should send these two female Walmart Blubber Fighters over there. The video below is an exemplar illustration of white trash in action.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3116352/Shocking-moment-woman-mo...
“In my opinion, any future defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa 'should have his head examined,’ as General MacArthur so delicately put it,” - Robert Gates
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/world/26gates.html
"...In my opinion, any future defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa 'should have his head examined..."
Prefferably by a knife-wielding ISIS 'head examiner'.
someone has a YT video that has before and after clips of Dickless Cheney;
1. "We are CERTAIN that Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction" (before the war)
2. "We never said that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction" a few years later
When the stunned interviewer stammered "but...but..but..."
Cheney nearly stood up and grabbed the guy by his lapels and snarled/repeated "WE NEVER SAID IRAQ HAD WMDS!"
It will be easy to spot the new recruits. They will be wearing newly issued sandals. Of course, no boots on the ground.
How many conflicts have Amerikans won recently? How many countries have they de-stabalized?
destabilizing is winning!
who cares... them weapons have to be spent and replenished... war is primarily business... get the defense industry going
The Bill for the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars: $4 to $6 Trillion
http://thediplomat.com/2013/04/the-bill-for-the-iraq-and-afghanistan-war...
The Pentagon is seeking an increase of $20.4 billion, or 13 percent, for weapons and research as President Barack Obama begins a push to remove defense budget caps that would force cuts in spending instead.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-29/pentagon-budget-to-rep...
Dump all that money plus DHS into the domestic economy and we will be rocking
The Department of War's budget probably reaches into the quadrillions, if you count the every so often "Missing" money, Black budgets and off the books accounting. Piddling little war in Iraq cost 2-4 Triliion.
Oh, goodie..
We get to leave more materiel for the terrorists.
Napoleon and Hitler both made the mistake of having two fronts, and lost it all.
Obozo's masters are going for three.Don't they teach history at Haaarvaaard ?
Yeah, but they're SMARTER than anyone who's ever come before them!
The difference is we're going for three fronts on different continents. This is what guarantees our success.
And both blamed winter...
... though in their case the concern was legitimate.
Napoleon and Hitler had recent military victories to bolster their delusions ... the US hasn't had one since 1945.
Oh okay, there was, against all odds, Grenada.
Hitler was fighting on three fronts; you forgot Italy.
We win!
mb they said it, but media cut off that part=)
This my dear fellow Zeroes is social darwinism at it's finest.
The Army is the Eugenic meat grinder of the world.
And when you put most of the men of any community in jail, soon enough you have what is the condition of inner city black people in america.
So, bunch of boys from the mid west + borderline criminals + gang and hood boyz.....in the army now...oooohhhohhhh I'm in the army now....
Sad....
Happy new guitar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsrCg7rwcqA
Killer tunes, lots of carnatic influence in this one. It is amazing, the difference, when you let your fingers speak, rather than just push on strings.
Perhaps your internet fingers have pressed a few strings in this thread. ;-)
Haaah...thanks SB, that is the place to reach (still reaching here)...a perfectly balanced interaction betwixt man and instrument...
And yes, looks like some "folks" got off ended, all good ;-)
The imbecile Swedes need to change the fudgepacker's Nobel Peace Prize to Nobel Warmonger Prize...
Why change a perfectly working model? No one was punished for the war-profiteering in 'Nam, so why not dip into the slush fund again?
The only problem with this model is it doesn't account for human greed. There's no moderation in this business, and each cycle creates a new one shortly after, until it's all war all the time (like now).
The saddest part is 50% of Americans are just fine with it.
Anyone dumb enough to let their kid or loved one fight for these banksters and psychopaths is an idiot.
I had a distant relative who had a kid who was in. I told them the score and the absolute stupidity of everything. The kid is getting out early for the reserves.
The good thing if your kid gets blown up, maimed or killed - they will give him a dog or medla or tickets to a ball game.
Wait till they start talking about 'Phoenix' again...
Do we want to kill them or let them vote when they register for a US driver's license? Just askin'
We can have it both ways and still win!! yeayy!!
...BUT, the war is over! His Majesty ENDED the War in Iraq! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
It says so right here!: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/10/21/president-obama-has-ended-war-iraq
Yea, 'cause that shit worked out so well for the last 20 years. Haven't we killed enough people over there? Did we not make the quota or something?
"ISIS goes from house to house in Ramadi with lists of names..."
Wait, doesn't Obama also have a list of people to kill?
Which side would the troops be supporting?
Both.
Maybe even 3-4 sides!
I don't know who disgusts me more, the fear mongering fuck sticks like John McShitstain, or the stupid fucking low brow Merikan people who fall for their bullshit. If I had to make a choice I would go with the latter. Thanks to them there will always be somebody to step up and fill Mcshitstain's shoes.
His Depends, Doc.
I think that His Assholiness, McShitstain, (thanks Doc) should resign his Senate seat, have the Pentagon commission him a General and lead them into battle...front row and center.
You'd think a guy who spend time in the Hanoi Hilton would be a little more reluctant to go to war. But no. Mr. Gung-Ho going to make everyone else's kids go to war to make up for the one his generation lost.
That little troll is still pissed at the Vietnamese. He'd never admit it, but he is. He looks at ISIS and all he sees is the Viet Cong. And he wants to kill them.
I'm no head-shrinker, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Wrong. Very wrong. He does not want to kill them, he wants to arm them. He was there in 2013 on Father's day bumbling on about how shoddy their (ISIS) weaponry was and how it was appauling that the US wasn't doing more to fund them. He then went before the foriegn arms committee and begged them to arm the then called 'free syrian army' with more modern weaponry. I believe it was also during that trip he did some photo ops with some rebels that later turned out to be wanted for kidnapping in Lebanon
Well, let's try it this way.... he wants to arm them and THEN kill them. The arming part has been accomplished (and if you asked him, he would say he was tricked or "they aren't the same people").
If you think McCain is some sort of mercantilist or arms dealer, you're selling him short. He doesn't just want to sell it, he wants to see it used.
So by your logic he wants to kill them after Assad has been removed? That is the mission accomplished? I doubt that Syria will be the last stop for ISIS. Why would they want to kill their own creation?
As to me thinking he is just an arms mercantilist no, I know he is much worse. Keatings 5 and USS Forrestal were just warmups for this guys late-game. I hold him in such high esteems as Kissinger and Negreponte. Top of the class.
Before, after, who knows? Assad is already dead man walking at this point for multiple reasons.
I have a feeling we aren't as far apart on this as maybe you think we are.
I voted for John McCain.
Then I voted for Mitt Romney.
Then I found Zero Hedge.
I voted once. I think it was in the third grade. I found it to be a disturbing experience. I do not think voting has changed at all since then.
there is a gold ZH star waiting for you. Just acknowledge that you stopped voting completely.
The American people would be in the streets demanding an end to this endless war and the blowback it engenders...
if only it were a white Republican in office.
Fortunately, you won't have to worry about THAT happening ever again.
Code Pink is just having an 8 year rest. They'll be back in the news on an hourly basis before too long...
WTF?..We need an International Law,that clearly states Amerika can only invade the same country once every decade..
Vietnam 2 please send McCain back.......
Send him back to train ISIS' Air Force...
obviously someone much smarter than mccain wrote his statement, but it is a highly advanced form of propaganda. wtf does assad have to do with isis atrocities??
Obama must have gotten an earfull from Merkle. Germany and France need Assad to be taken out. EU afraid of energy sqeeze from Russia. If Iran and other allies kick US ass in Syria the EU will be forced to dump US from NATO. Syria is serious business.
Can't wait to see this mincing catamite become a hip hop sensation post-presidency. "Give it up for my nigga Peace Prize!"
Like watching the Fed claim to want to normalize.
These clowns only know one thing: print MOAR money.
Obviously they want their slice of the "American Nightmare" before they blow up another chunk of Planet Earth.
What a Holy Hell these fucks have created.
Maybe the idea is to get lots of US troops killed so that the ``Murica must get payback`` mentality can take over.
One good nuke will do a whole lot of good
And if it's detonated right, we turn half a continent into a huge glass bong
Dude! The idea of a bong makes that so much more OK.
Iraq ?!
So, what's happening that we are NOT supposed to notice ?
Then again, ... Iraq ?
On which side ?
I heard McCain fought in Vietnam.
It's unclear to me which side he was on, since he likely killed about as many American sailors and pilots as he did Vietnamese civilians.
And they shoulda started charging him for those Phantoms. They were like the equivalent of a new Dodge Charger in 1970 dollars!
More Goy cannon fodder for Zion.
Ultimately Lebensraum for Israel.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
In effect, all DC US military personnel are members of an auxiliary Israeli military force.
Shameless shitstain Asshole.
But look on the bright side - liberals who were so antiwar when the Republican regime was in charge and have quite clammed up once Oboala the peacemaker took charge, can go back to being antiwar again, since there will be precious AmeriKan boots on the ground spilling their blood for the glory of a free Iraq.
More assholes.
Death is bullish
Code Pink? Hello? Cindy Sheehan? Hello?
HA! Cindy Sheehan!
That broad sure fell off the scope, didn't she? War must be super cool now that a black gay guy is driving the boat.
I'm a bit more focused regionally.
50 cal live fire in Flint, MI & Tanks on rail in PA.
I fully expect when the currancy collapses TPTB are going to whack power via smart meters, blame pooty & declare martial law, then pillage & FEMA.
1 is none.
2 is one.
3 is one & parts.
Smart meters arn't nearly as prevalent as you would think. California yes... large metropolitan areas yes... rural areas? Nope.
Wrong, there is a MAJOR push to capture the rural areas, most rural areas east of the Mississippi River have already been "downgraded" to Smart Meters - and, are you ready for this?, High Speed Fiber Optic Internet is being installed to each and every house...in rural areas, not the cities and towns, but rural areas.
I've had dark fiber on my property for 20 yrs.
Never deployed.
4) install puppet government
Because that has worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan? If so, morons are truly in charge... but I suspected that anyway.
Could said troops get me a kebab!
The wit who posted "the sun shined - is that esparanto " I'm still laughing,
When of course In esparanto Joe should have said "the sun Shoned"!
I didn't watch any broadcast TV from Sept. 12th, 2001, until the Saddam statue in Baghdad came down in '03. I'm sure I'm not the ony 'Murican who was horrified at the warmongering which was rampant here in the States at the time, however we were in the minority, and we were shouted down and stamped out by the media and the mindless drones who supported "regime change" in Iraq, while keeping the status-quo (shit) here at home. To speak out against war at that time was a fool's errand, in a way, few would listen, and the majority would laugh and ridicule those who were against what the neo-cons were up to.
The typical 'Murican believes that, gee golly, if we just send the troops somewhere in the world, they'll get the job done, and we'll all live happily ever after. After reading books about the true nature of the CIA and how it evolved, and the re-molding of the armed forces in the 90's (most of the force is nothing more than a jobs program, now, and I blame the Reagan years for that (keeping in mind that in most of those years we had a Dem-controlled CONgress)), that we would end up with a disastrous, post-Cold War foreign policy.
The end-game is de-dollarization overseas, plus some more interventionist horseshit, and the fall of the Empire. All the pieces are falling into place for a big war in Asia, the ME will always be fought over and we can look forward to more bloodshed and wars in that part of the world, well beyond our lifetimes.
It's all about the petrodollar, and the BRICS' are the biggest threat to it. Everything else is just noise, far as U.S. foreign policy goes, in my book.
Semper Fidelis
I hear you on all of that... bu tI also wonder if the petrodollar has to die for the globalists/nwo, whatever, one worlders, to create their global banking system and currency? Or is that a tad too paranoid?
Spending trillions and invading with most of your available infantry and support seems like a strange way to get a country to put its oil back on sale only for dollars - Hussein couldn't have been bought/persuaded/bribed? Assassinated?
The petrodollar argument sounds great, and may in fact have been a major motive - but cost/benefit... did all that borrowing and new fiat help the petrodollar, really? what about relative to less expensive and time intensive [and blood intensive means?] Regime change a la ukraine likely would have been tough, but can always bribe the guy or kill him versus that long war and occupation.
Apparently, no one believes, as I did, that peak oil has been about reached, so control of the oil... maybe not a great reason, either.
War profiteering - always a powerful motive. 3 trillion or so went into somebody's pockets... and if 'all wars are bankers wars' why should someone who can print money need to profit off wars? You can...print fucking money.
Just spitballing - riding out the day...
The most important thing in my life is the security of Iraq. Please do everything you can to keep it safe from Muslim attacks.
LOL
Im wondering how far we are from many in the military telling obama and the pentagon to fuck off?
I guess his personal "death squad" isn't big enough.
My 2 cents on Iraq below:
"GET....THE...FUCK....OUT.... "-- Ari Gold.
Just so he goes himself.
The big question is will Assad be:
1) head chopped off
2) 'Qaddafied'
3) boring Saddam hanging but bonus if his head pops off
With Kerry on the bench, which witch gets to cackle, 'We came, We saw, He died'? Nudelman, Psaki?????
Iran is said to be sending 15000 troops to support Assad in Syria... This is just what our American war planners wanted, they will isolate Assad, confront Iran, draw Russia into the mix and have a big ol' war. I am confident some neo-con apologist will tell us 'folks' that war is good for the economy.
What an idiot! I am bored with Iraq already. Is this administration so lacking in creativity that they can't trump up some bullshit story about (throws dart at map).... Gabon? Yeah, that country is as good as any other. You do know that those Gabonese fuckers despise us for our freedom and therefore need to be attacked immediately. There is covert triple secret intelligence that has infiltrated several Gabonese terrorist cells and has so far prevented 67,839,276,584,930 terrorist attacks on U.S soil already. Fucking eh, we can arm the Gabonese with all sorts of weapons and THEN send our kids there to get blown to hell. After that we will celebrate their deaths on Memorial Day and take an extra day off of work assuming anyone actually has a job anymore. It'll be great.
bitter sarc/
But, No. There will be no re-invasion of Iraq or anywhere else under Obama. You all will have to wait until after Jan. 20th, 2017. Obama will enjoy watching Iranian troops and ISIS kill each other.
Gee, I'm rooting for the Iranians.
Personally I hope they kill each other to the last man and then I'll go over and take that guy out for free.
I said it before and I'll say it again, the Russians and Chinese need to flood northern Iraq and Syria with aircraft, armor and air defense systems and send huge fleets to the Persian Gulf and Mediteranean. Let the Iranians send troops. And if the Saudis give them any sass, let them storm Riyadh. It's not like Saudi Arabia is really our ally, anyway, so fuck them. Of course, it would help if we hadn't have armed these terrorists in the first place.