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Obama Goes Full Stalin: Tells Secret Court To Ignore Law He Signed 4 Hours Earlier, Extend Illegal NSA Surveillance

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Just when we thought the absurdity that marks every single day of Obama's reign could not possibly be surpassed, we learned that 4 hours (3 hours and 47 minutes to be precise) after the US president vowed to sign a new law banning bulk data collection by the NSA (named, for purely grotesque reasons, the "USA Freedom Act"), the Obama administration asked the secret Fisa surveillance court to ignore a federal court that found bulk surveillance illegal and to once again grant the National Security Agency the power to collect the phone records of millions of Americans for six months.

Or, as the Guardian's Spencer Ackerman, who spotted this glaring page out of Josef Stalin's playbook, summarized it:

According to Ackerman, this latest travesty by the administration "suggests that the administration may not necessarily comply with any potential court order demanding that the collection stop."

Or, in other words, the administration "may" give orders that openly flaunt US laws. From the Guardian:

US officials confirmed last week that they would ask the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court – better known as the Fisa court, a panel that meets in secret as a step in the surveillance process and thus far has only ever had the government argue before it – to turn the domestic bulk collection spigot back on.

 

This is a problem because Justice Department national security chief John A Carlin cited a six-month transition period provided in the USA Freedom Act – passed by the Senate last week to ban the bulk collection – as a reason to permit an “orderly transition” of the NSA’s domestic dragnet. However, Carlin "did not address whether the transition clause of the Freedom Act still applies now that a congressional deadlock meant the program shut down on 31 May."

So after the second circuit court of appeals already ruled NSA surveillance illegal, and after Congress officially shut down NSA's bulk data collection in its current form, Obama's DOJ decided to singlehandedly order that NSA spying on Americans be extended for at least another 6 months.

Follow the details of how the US Department of "Justice" crushes every semblance thereof:

Carlin asked the Fisa court to set aside a landmark declaration by the second circuit court of appeals. Decided on 7 May, the appeals court ruled that the government had erroneously interpreted the Patriot Act’s authorization of data collection as “relevant” to an ongoing investigation to permit bulk collection.

 

Carlin, in his filing, wrote that the Patriot Act provision remained “in effect” during the transition period.

 

“This court may certainly consider ACLU v Clapper as part of its evaluation of the government’s application, but second circuit rulings do not constitute controlling precedent for this court,” Carlin wrote in the 2 June application. Instead, the government asked the court to rely on its own body of once-secret precedent stretching back to 2006, which Carlin called “the better interpretation of the statute”.

The punchline:

The second circuit court of appeals is supposed to bind only the circuit’s lower courts. But the unique nature of the Fisa court – whose rulings practically never became public before whistleblower Edward Snowden’s revelations – has left ambiguous which public court precedents it is obliged to follow.

Said otherwise, the NSA's espionage activity is above the law, any law.

Amusingly, some still harbor hope that "justice" is still a viable concept in the United States, such as the FreedomWorks conservative group, which is asking the Fisa court to essentially disband itself:

On Friday, the conservative group FreedomWorks filed a rare motion before the Fisa court, asking it to reject the government’s surveillance request as a violation of the fourth amendment’s prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures. Fisa court judge Michael Moseman gave the justice department until this coming Friday to respond – and explicitly barred the government from arguing that FreedomWorks lacks the standing to petition the secret court.

Which, incidentally, is like asking Wall Street to police itself. A quick reminder of what happened there: after gross market manipulation was taking place for years involving trillions of interest-rate products, the person who witnessed it every single day called it, don't laugh, a "conspiracy theory."

Incidentally, "conspiracy theorists" is precisely what all those who accused the NSA of engaging in mass illegal surveillance even before the Snowden revelations, were branded as. And, we are confident, before all is said and done, the "conspiracy theorists" who dare speak the truth against the surreal Orwellian state that the US finds itself in, will be crushed by the administration, both the current and the one that will replace it, whose every day modus operandi is taken straight out of the Stalin memoirs.

 

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Tue, 06/09/2015 - 17:55 | 6180372 onewayticket2
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This is what "beyond the tipping point" looks like....

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:02 | 6180401 Jorgen
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What happened to the oath to defend the U.S. Constitution from enemies, foreign and domestic?

Oh, I see. It all depends on the definition of a domestic enemy.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:10 | 6180445 suteibu
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The line has been truncated to eliminate the final phrase.  "Enemies" are now whoever the government wants it to be.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:13 | 6180460 kaiserhoff
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Barry is the enemy.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:20 | 6180483 new game
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enemy within

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:34 | 6180536 Fun Facts
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Obama is an eminently blackmailable ZWO tool.

Just like any other teleprompter reader they'll assign to the bus drivers seat.

Obama doesn't make decisions. He tells believable lies and executes orders delivered by the money.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:13 | 6180679 Meat Hammer
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It can't be said often enough.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:13 | 6180684 Winston Churchill
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He may lie well, but as to executing orders, he's too lazy.

That laziness must be very frustrating for our owners.

Obozo couldn't organise a party in a brewery.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:22 | 6180492 lordylord
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"What happened to the oath to defend the U.S. Constitution from enemies, foreign and domestic?"

Sorry to tell you this, but based on your statement, you are the domestic enemy. 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:32 | 6181422 RichardParker
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Domestic enemy to whom?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:00 | 6180636 Jumbotron
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"What happened to the oath to defend the U.S. Constitution from enemies, foreign and domestic?"

 

Haven't you heard?

 

"The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper"

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:14 | 6180866 bid the soldier...
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Hey, JumboTron, which came first:

The Written Constitutions of Nations or the proverb 'rules were made to be broken?'

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:20 | 6181312 bid the soldier...
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- 2

A constitution is only as good as the integrity of the courts, the legislature and executives behind it.

So for America that means......(singing)

 

"For it's one, two, three strikes you're out 

At the old ball game...."

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 17:55 | 6180373 fascismlover
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All we need now is trains to the gulags.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 17:56 | 6180379 Dixie Flatline
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See you under the Kliegs behind the Concertina, comrade.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:13 | 6180463 kliguy38
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I call the top bunk

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:41 | 6180481 MANvsMACHINE
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When I missed my scheduled jury duty, I blamed it on the secret court.  It's so secret, I couldn't find it!

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:08 | 6180527 TungstenBars
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I'm pretty sure those at ZH, especially those commenting, won't have bunks. Straight into the ovens. 

 

Maybe those tho have accidentally stumbled on this site will get a bunk. 

 

As for the Tylers, they'll probably be sent to one of those torture facilities in modern peaceful democratic Poland. 

 

 

America, fuck yea!

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:17 | 6180470 Normalcy Bias
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THAT explains the high-speed rail bullshit in California. It finally makes sense!

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 21:32 | 6181069 pgroup
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California is building one of those right now.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 17:55 | 6180374 chunga
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calling all deities. human race taken over by evil. hello?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 21:17 | 6181039 Dave Thomas
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All that was heard was a cosmic squeaker of a fart, then a muffled giggle.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:45 | 6181442 Ying-Yang
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Perhaps an ancient alien floating a butt biscuit?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 17:55 | 6180375 stant
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It's not for the childens . It's cause their broke

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 17:56 | 6180380 buzzsaw99
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secret court, lulz

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 17:57 | 6180385 Timmay
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Dis Nigga trippin".....

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:00 | 6180409 Everybodys All ...
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Oh no he di ent.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:14 | 6180465 Zandalf
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...all the way to the bank.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 17:57 | 6180389 kchrisc
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I cant fine the "secret court" provision in my copy of the Constitution.
Must be in the special Zionist version.

I smell more Article 3, Section 3, treason.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..

 

My lawyers at AK, AR, and Glock also can't find it.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:05 | 6180649 espirit
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Ha, My lawyers at AK, FAL, and S&W also can't find it.

Through in an Ruger & Colt ESQ, and we're in bidness.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 21:02 | 6180996 kchrisc
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I think my lawyers eat lunch with your lawyers.

They're all high caliber people, but can be really loud.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 17:57 | 6180392 surf0766
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Like we said.. He's is a marxist

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 17:58 | 6180399 Everybodys All ...
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This is such an impeachable offense and it will not even get a word from the opposition party or for that matter the mainstream media. Such is the world we now live in. Unbelievable.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:21 | 6180490 Five8Charlie
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Opposition party? We have one of those?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:16 | 6180693 Meat Hammer
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He forgot the sarcastic quotation marks around "opposition party".

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 07:36 | 6181768 Arnold
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I support the Brewery Party mentioned farther up thread.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:40 | 6180555 kchrisc
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Opposition party?

Like finding the otherside of a Möbius stip.

Liberty is a demand. Tryanny is submission..

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:20 | 6181183 gladius17
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"Unbelievable."

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 17:58 | 6180403 Stoploss
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Typical niigger shit.//

TNS

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:15 | 6180466 kchrisc
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Look closer, as you missed his strings.

Should be: TZS.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:23 | 6180496 B2u
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it's NIGGA....

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:04 | 6180406 BlowsAgainstthe...
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Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State February 21, 2014 by Mike Lofgren

 

"The Deep State does not consist of the entire government. It is a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies: the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department of Homeland Security, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Justice Department. I also include the Department of the Treasury because of its jurisdiction over financial flows, its enforcement of international sanctions and its organic symbiosis with Wall Street. All these agencies are coordinated by the Executive Office of the President via the National Security Council. Certain key areas of the judiciary belong to the Deep State, such as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, whose actions are mysterious even to most members of Congress. Also included are a handful of vital federal trial courts, such as the Eastern District of Virginia and the Southern District of Manhattan, where sensitive proceedings in national security cases are conducted. The final government component (and possibly last in precedence among the formal branches of government established by the Constitution) is a kind of rump Congress consisting of the congressional leadership and some (but not all) of the members of the defense and intelligence committees. The rest of Congress, normally so fractious and partisan, is mostly only intermittently aware of the Deep State and when required usually submits to a few well-chosen words from the State’s emissaries."

 

http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:47 | 6181446 Ying-Yang
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Sweet, thanks for the link!

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:00 | 6180411 Colonel Klink
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Obama, the real Muslim terrorist in America.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:26 | 6180511 kchrisc
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With respect, but if you'll research 9/11 just a tad more you will find that the real terrorists emanate from the swamp on the Potomac, especially just south of there, and from the little insect just north of the Sinai, with the greatest concentration at the Glilot road junction.

Start with the "Dancing Mossads," who were definitely not Muslim, as ascertained by their appearance later on Israeli Tee Vee.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..

 

"I'll take 6 "Muslim" flavored packets of Kool Aide please. Great, I get a "Obama is the President" flavored one for free."

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:59 | 6180611 Colonel Klink
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No research necessary from my side, I don't disagree with what you say.  Point being is he's not what he says he is.  The birth certificate proves it, his actions prove it, he is the manchurian muslim mullato marionette.

I think my past comments have detailed my intense dislike for the 2-3% who are fucking us (and the world) over.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:03 | 6180414 European American
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He's simply testing the resolve of the Collective he rules over. That's us, folks. As long as all we do is Bitch and Complain and Demand (on the Internet), then who is going to stop him?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:04 | 6180424 Westcoastliberal
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Fuck you, Obama!

DISCLAIMER “This comment is not meant as a threat”.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:58 | 6180619 Colonel Klink
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Any and all free speech is a threat to the police state.  Don't fool yourself.  As evidenced by the NSA, TSA, FBI, CIA, and a whole host of other government alphabet agencies.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:16 | 6180868 lakecity55
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"Hello. NSA here. We would shoot you guys if you were not so witty."

Hey! Somebody took over my computer!

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:36 | 6180921 Colonel Klink
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Molon Labe my treasonous NSA friends!  Send a lot of people, you'll need them!!

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:06 | 6180431 juicy_bananas
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We fucked some folks.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:06 | 6180434 Everybodys All ...
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I got to remember to hang my American flag upside down and more Americans need to do the same.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 22:57 | 6181263 Freddie
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Unplug TV and Hollywood too though the idiots love their ball games and other idiocy.

The morons over at Free Republic are as bad as the Libs at Democratic Underground.   They are going on and on about evil Putin.

No clue that the Ukraine junta is run by Soros and the Neocons and NeoLibs. The same people behind this secret court shit, TTP, endless proxy wars, ObamaCare and open borders.  

They just want to attack those evil white Chiristians like Putin and the Russians.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:07 | 6180437 Dr. Gonzo
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Are the U.S. Secret courts located near the U.S. Secret Prisons or the U.S secret Torture Chambers? All the infor I get on the T.V. is about Caitlyn Jenner. Guess it's not important.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:29 | 6180519 knukles
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Has it had its dick cut off yet or is that a secret as well?  Not judgements, just curious.
That penis, if removed, could be auctioned off for a charitable event benefiting the needy unlike the rest of the self-absorbed narcissistic carney side show of the Kadrashian empire. 
Getting rich by being famous for just being famous.

                    The veneer of civilization is long gone.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:14 | 6180865 lakecity55
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"Next up, we have the Dick of Bruce. Sealed in plastic, who will start the bidding?"

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:10 | 6180444 Dr. Gonzo
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We need secret courts, prisons, and torture chambers to protect our American Exceptionalism.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:10 | 6180446 Zandalf
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Pathetic.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:10 | 6180447 Zoomorph
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Why even bother with a secret court? I guess it's a way of creating extra government jobs.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:12 | 6180457 suteibu
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Courts exist only so that any action they take can be legally justified, secret courts more so.  "Well...the courts have ruled."

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:10 | 6180448 PhiBetaZappa
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As if the NSA would ever give a flying rats ass what any court says. What a fookin joke.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:11 | 6180452 stiler
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Oh, but Obama was on the Haaavaaad Law Review. He must know the Constitution inside and out. Precisely, my dear Watson.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:20 | 6180711 markar
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Was he really? Funny, no one there at the time remembers him. And of course, his transcripts are sealed.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:12 | 6180862 lakecity55
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That fucker never saw a day at Harvard, he was at Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:12 | 6180453 q99x2
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6 months...is there an election or something.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:16 | 6180467 kowalli
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winter?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:17 | 6180471 Dr. Gonzo
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"All rise for the secret judge in the secret Kangaroo Court of the secret rogue governnment."

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:18 | 6180475 cbilds
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Martin Armstrong. The Big Bang.  October 15, 2015.  Ignore at your own demise.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:18 | 6180479 The Delicate Genius
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you waste your energy being upset with Obama.

 

He is a puppet.

 

I didn't know the FISA court could over-rule a Federal Appellate court - could well be but - maybe not.  Anyone? 

 

 

Regardless of the above - what a fucking douchebag of a president this puppet has turned out to be. 

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:24 | 6180502 kowalli
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i think FISA court can over-rule anything

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:38 | 6180549 The Delicate Genius
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apaprently they can over-rule the Constitution.

 

but arent they supposed to be dealign with foreign intelligence gathering, i.e. overseas?

 

When did the FISA court have authority to rule on domestic, dragnet spying unconnected to any specific allegation of terrorism for which they at least have to hear arguments before issuing a specific warrant?

 

I dont know but this might be expanding FISA court's authority well beyond its actual power  [not that I'm naive enought to believe this will necessarily matter].  Hopefully someone much smarter than me writes about it over at Volokh or Reason.com or something....

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:57 | 6180617 kowalli
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When did the USA court have authority to rule on foreign country?
it's the same shit.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:06 | 6180658 lakecity55
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Reggie, it's great being Dictaster.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:45 | 6180577 American Sucker
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It's not overruling.  Different courts have different jurisdictions.  For example, the Third Circuit Court of Appeals covers the interpretation of (most of) federal law in PA, NJ, and DE.  However, its decisions do not control how federal courts in, say, Texas interpret federal law.  For the vast majority of decisions, the appeals courts tend to agree with one another, or differ very slightly.  When circuits clash, the Supreme Court is supposed to step in and set a uniform rule for the nation.

The Second Circuit covers federal courts in NY, VT, and CT, but its decisions do not bind other federal courts.  If FISA is under Second Circuit jurisdiction, it must follow the Second Circuit decision.  If FISA is not, which appears to be the case, it's not clear which federal courts it is bound to follow besides SCOTUS.  My wild guess is that FISA is reviewable by SCOTUS only.  If FISA rules differently from the Second Circuit, the Administration will rely on the FISA ruling, and the ACLU will probably appeal to SCOTUS to resolve the split.

Will any of this change what the NSA actually does?  I'd be surprised.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:58 | 6180621 Kickaha
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To elaborate a little on this point, federal agencies have long had a policy of "non-acquiesence" if they do not like the impact of a decision made by a Federal District Court or Circuit Court.

For example, if the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals renders a decision saying that zero evidentiary weight must be given to the opinions of the lying whore doctors whom the Social Security Administration hires to say after an "independent medical examination" that claimants are not disabled, the SSA can issue a paper saying that they will abide by the decision for claims filed in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, and Tennessee, but as for the rest of the USA, they will laugh and wipe their assholes with the 6th Circuit opinion.

If the case goes to the Supremes and gets affirmed, then the governmental agency must obey it, but a decision of a lower Federal Court is not the law of the entire land.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:06 | 6180842 booboo
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With regards to Oblammy the ACLU is just a tool and is only there to cobble together a case full of holes big enough to drive Moochells ass through and be shot down. They serve their purpose. Now when it comes to knobgobbling bung hole pirates and NAMBLA they put in their first stringers.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:20 | 6180482 Dr. Gonzo
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So to be clear this secret court is NOT accountable to the public and can put people in it's secret prisons? Why do people still vote in this country again? Tradition?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:38 | 6180547 Stevious
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No, more than half is on the dole.  Good dogs don't bite the hand that feeds them.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:21 | 6180488 Reaper
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A secret court violates the Constitution's right to a speedy and public trial; to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation. What is done secretly is hidden because it would be repulsive.

The Rule of Law under the US Constitution is a farce in America. Obama is the enemy of the People's Constitution.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:04 | 6180647 lakecity55
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Bath House is a running dog Maoist.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 21:02 | 6180993 Reaper
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From whom does the secret court hide? The People.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:27 | 6180514 cherry picker
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If the droner in chief can break the law and congress and cops, why should the citizen listen to these creeps.

Be my guest, break the law.  Do cash transactions over $1 K.

Don't hurt anyone, that is not what this is about, just ignore DC.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:27 | 6180516 gwar5
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All those people that hated Bush but support Obama can officially go fuck themselves.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:30 | 6180521 American Sucker
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Congress will pass the law, the President will sign it, the courts will approve it, and the Deep State will ignore it.  Remember to register and vote!

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:30 | 6180522 f16hoser
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FUCKIN' KENYAN FLAMING HOMOSEXUAL FAGGOT PIECE OF SHIT WHITE HOUSE SQUATTING NEGRO!

Yeah, that pretty much sums up this fucking (see above)

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:50 | 6180640 lakecity55
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Actually, he is Indonesian, not negroid.

It's all a Big Fake.

In all my travels, when I first saw him giving a speech at the Democratic convention, I though, hey they got a guy from SE Asia...

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:31 | 6180524 pupdog1
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Back in the day, this was called a constitutional crisis.

 

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:32 | 6180528 CHC
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If the U.S. actually had a Congress that believed in and supported the Constitution - this dicktater would have been impeached 3-4 years ago. 

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:33 | 6180531 Heavy
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Getting pretty thick now, soon it all stops...if everybody agrees to kill it with fire that is.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:34 | 6180532 Pickleton
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US officials confirmed last week that they would ask the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court – better known as the Fisa court, a panel that meets in secret as a step in the surveillance process and thus far has only ever had the government argue before it – to turn the domestic bulk collection spigot back on.

 

 

So the point where open flaunt of the COTUS turns into mass-slaughter of US citizens is...?  Around the time the economy heads to the deep south and the citizens are already bubbling over from <insert whatever you will here>?

 

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:33 | 6180534 Lea
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Must be restful being the POTUS. All those lobbies that tell you what to say and do. No, not that. Not that, either, that instead. Come to think of it, not that either. And then, another lobby steps in with their own agenda, which clashes with the previous one, so start again at the beginning. Not that, and that neither...

Guy ends up looking like a weathervane in a whirlwind, madly spinning...

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:34 | 6180538 The Delicate Genius
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Well, we can be sure that the Left will immediately march out into the streets, and the Times will cover this with unremitting passion for our civil liberties.

 

/s

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:40 | 6180554 dreadnaught
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you seem like an intelligent guy

 

 

/s

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:34 | 6180540 Yancey Ward
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In Obama's defense, he hadn't yet read about his signing the law since he still hadn't read The New York Times story about the signing. 

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:36 | 6180543 CHC
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If you wanted to destroy this country from within - would you do anything differently than what this man is doing?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:58 | 6180625 lakecity55
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No.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:27 | 6180733 smacker
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There is so much truth in your comment. Isn't it a bit like what one of those commie asswipes said in Russia before the Bolsheviks took over?

For many people it's so close to the bone, they'd find it difficult to face. Much safer to stay in denial.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:19 | 6181306 Moe Howard
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Nope.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:37 | 6180544 Soul Glow
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I'm sure they'll catch a terrorist in the next six months.  Bound to happen sometime.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:46 | 6180790 lakecity55
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There is one at 1600 PA Avenue just waiting to be picked up.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:39 | 6180550 dreadnaught
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What monster have we conjured into our midst?*

 

 

 

 

 

Z*

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:49 | 6180588 Seal
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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their President."
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pragerzeitungon.asp#TlZgDlVcuM7f8...

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:06 | 6180845 Oldwood
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No one "entrusts" Obama with anything. There is only hope an fear.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:46 | 6180569 WTFUD
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Someone or a number of people have got to STOP this puppet Obama from presiding on behalf of the Cabal.

This POS was elected to serve the people and in choosing to ride roughshod over citizen's rights in favour of said Cabal, is violating his Public Duties and hence is no longer legitimate.

This Useful Idiot Obama has to be Impeached.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:36 | 6180922 mortem-tyrannus
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That or we should start kicking the shit out of the left leaning faggots who keep electing shitbags like him.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:43 | 6180570 Seize Mars
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Arrest this man, and the people who installed him. NOW.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:58 | 6180623 Not if_ But When
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A question;   I know a fellow who occasionally surfs porn sites like the SEC staff and others do.  He has a particular fetish that he enjoys in a rather harmless fashion.  I mean, the guy lives in America - the home of the free with basic rights to privacy, etc under the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

He wishes to know whether the NSA and others have knowledge of the specific "subsets" of porn sites he might visit on a very irregular basis.  He fears that he might be considered a sexual deviant or something if this spying explores deeply enough into one's internet behavior.

I told him I'd post this question on Zero Hedge to see what you people think about this troubling issue.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:09 | 6180663 The Delicate Genius
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probably - nobody knows anything unless and until theres a flag to generate a profile, then it will absolutely come up,. but it is very unlikely you..  I mean your friend... are doing the sort of shit a human would end up reviewing.  Digitally, its out there, waiting to be put into a report, its just unlikely to be put into a report.

 

This is more or less just guesswork on my part, mind you, but hey look - I am not ashamed that I dabble in some fetish shit when I get bored of vanilla porn.

 

Saw a video on xhamster of a lactating asian chick in rope bondage, whose huge tits were spraying milk.  I went from repulsed to ejaculating in under 5 minutes.  Why do I give a fuck if some nsa or other .gov low level puke knows it?

 

Normally, about al I care about is cute, big tits, slight penchant for asians, but then who doesn't.  But at 40, almost 41...  sometimes I give up mid-jack.  shit's depressing.  but it seems to be more porn fatigue than a physical thing. 

 

But my guess is pretty much everyone now and then looks at some fetish shit just to break up the monotony, even if you aren't - I'm not trolling the web for bondage or lactation shit, but every once in a while, that's a well I can go back to when I'm just kinda sick of swwing some pasty college girl looking sullen spreading her cooch.  Boredom will make you give lots of things you arent customarily into a fair hearing now and then - so...  your friend is just doing what tens of millions of people do.

 

he's not a signal, he's noise. 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 01:20 | 6181491 Ying-Yang
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For what I know from some of my Internet Provider friends, YES.

TPTB have your porn surfing habits inside your profile. Good news is they wish you to continue whatever floats your boat. Too much Big Data is flowing inside and stored. Algorithms are run and data is indexed. During this merger certain sets of flags could raise, prompting other algos to filter data for initial review by a human. It is so much data that the algos rule who and what first.

That being said you have a very easy way to know yourself if they like your porn habits.

"The US Department of Homeland Security has released a list of the keywords and phrases the agency monitors online to find potential threats. Obviously posting "Al Queda" and "dirty bomb" online will get the government to start looking at you real closely, but "pork" and other oddly normal words are also on the list."

http://lifehacker.com/5913945/words-to-avoid-online-if-you-dont-want-to-...

What you communicate, including surfing habits, buildout your profile so roll the dice and see for yourself.

Two years ago a buddy of mine called and said he was visited at home by 2 FBI agents. My buddy had on purpose, posted a slew of indexed no-no words.... staying away from the criminal words.

Yes indeed, the NEXT day a black SUV rolled up in San Antonio and knocked on his door for a quaint chat. They were very smooth, polite and asked some background stuff. My friend said he was proving a point for his research. They warned him that was not a good thing to do and they parted quickly to hit the next stop. It is what it is.....

They are the dairy farmers... they really wish us to keep producing milk and buying Apple Music until we cannot.

Then we become just a cows without legs... ground beef.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 07:57 | 6181824 Arnold
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@ Not if.........

 

 

Under age and child porn, you can rest easy, Someone will be visiting soon.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:11 | 6180673 kowalli
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brain dead people are good slaves for the system. They will kill them if they can't work, that's all.

Truth is a treason, they don't care about other things.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:27 | 6180720 Renfield
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I'll take a crack at it FWIW.

<<1) He wishes to know whether the NSA and others have knowledge of the specific "subsets" of porn sites he might visit on a very irregular basis.>>

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-26/nsas-technotyranny-one-nation-u...

<<The investigation revealed a sophisticated operation whose surveillance programs paid little heed to such things as the Constitution. For instance, under Project SHAMROCK, the NSA spied on telegrams to and from the U.S., as well as the correspondence of American citizens. Moreover, as the Saturday Evening Post reports, "Under Project MINARET, the NSA monitored the communications of civil rights leaders and opponents of the Vietnam War, including targets such as Martin Luther King, Jr., Mohammed Ali, Jane Fonda, and two active U.S. Senators. The NSA had launched this program in 1967 to monitor suspected terrorists and drug traffickers, but successive presidents used it to track all manner of political dissidents." Senator Frank Church (D-Ida.), who served as the chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence that investigated the NSA, understood only too well the dangers inherent in allowing the government to overstep its authority in the name of national security. Church recognized that such surveillance powers "at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide.">>

Yes, yes they do. As to whether it's relevant, that's another issue. If he ever does anything to make 'them' feel threatened, then some computer search will turn it up and it will be used as evidence against him, to smear his rep in a scandal of whatever the peasants are hearing about today, or if he's not important enough for that - then he'll just be charged with some outdated law and punished accordingly. If he keeps his head down and his nose clean and apparently follows the more important rules, then it's no big deal.

It's in his file to be called on if needed, put it that way.

PS: No-one here cares how regularly he may or may not visit such taboo websites. He can visit them every day, seventeen times a day if he wants, with my blessing. What's in his head is NOMDB. If it's anything violently criminal without consent (rape, paedo, etc.), then that's a different matter. I'm assuming you're referring to the 'usual' , non-violent consensual taboo websites.

2) He fears that he might be considered a sexual deviant or something if this spying explores deeply enough into one's internet behavior.

Only if they consider him important enough to broadcast some scandal over the taboo websites. As to whether it's deserved, that's up to him, but in this climate it really can't be assumed that the scandal is deserved. This awareness is spreading but slowly - post-collapse it'll probably spread quicker. As to what his friends or family believe about him, well, that'll be up to their own relationships no doubt.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:31 | 6180747 bid the soldier...
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He should sell everything and move to Moscow.

His sex/porn days would be over, but it's better than a FEMA camp.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:51 | 6180807 bid the soldier...
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Does the Pope/a bear beat off in the woods?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:57 | 6180819 Seize Mars
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Not if but when

Most importantly, what do you think your friend should do?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:03 | 6180645 smacker
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Arresting him is a waste of taxpayers money, because he has to be fed and housed whilst in detention.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:27 | 6180734 bid the soldier...
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And then you woke up.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:48 | 6180585 bankonzhongguo
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The white house will turn into a shrill shrieking insane asylum in the last year of Obama's presidency.

The conduct and public failings of the Secret Service is but a shadow of what is really going on over there.

50/50 chance Obama ODs on smack before he leaves office.

The Joe Steel reference is quite fitting, however there is a whiff of brimstone in the air at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as well.

May G_d watch over those servants, innocent bystanders and the sincerely injured people of these United States.

 

 

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 18:59 | 6180633 Itch
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"Lets call this one the freedom act"...they actually sat down and decided that - seriously, be worried, be worried that these fucking imbeciles are underestimating you so spectacularly, and getting away with it.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:11 | 6180672 Not if_ But When
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I now believe Obama did this because he thinks the populace is stupid enough to think that there is no connection between the Department of Justice and the Obama Administration.  Probably a great number of citizens would believe him if he were to say that this Department of Justice outfit acted without his knowledge and/or consent.  (the same ones who will vote for Hitlery because she's a female and they are consumed by this "first female president" thing).  Which is OK as long as it was Elizabeth Warren - whose record actually backs her utterances.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:13 | 6180682 kowalli
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I think that Obama is puppet and he can only read script and can't do anything else

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:42 | 6180783 lakecity55
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I am pretty sure they never let him near the controls or anything.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:06 | 6180654 F em all but 6
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Interesting. The fisa court says it is notr bound by the circuit court decisions. Nor is it bound by the case or controvery rule. Guess what folks. This is not an article 3 court. It is functioning like an article 2 court. similar to a military court under the executive branch. so of course they would ignore judicial opinions under a claim of separation of powers.

 

are you all prepared for civil war??

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:24 | 6180723 bid the soldier...
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You must mean a civil war that begins at Appomattox and not Ft Sumter.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:41 | 6180779 lakecity55
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Yeah, those Ft Sumter war starts don't turn out too well.

But, hey, we got gun factories this time.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:47 | 6180795 bid the soldier...
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We be in real good shape if everybody buy a drone and learn how to use it.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:30 | 6180903 mortem-tyrannus
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Not just gun manufacturies. Most of the heavy industry that isn't run by bungling incompetent halfwit union hasbeens is based in the south. 

What does the north have now? Lots and lots of cities full of feminized pussies, porch monkeys, welfare queens and the elite white left.

When it is game on this go round, there are going to be a lot of Yankees getting their dicks immediately knocked in the dirt and then wondering what the fuck happened to them.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 21:34 | 6181077 Cloud9.5
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The air is thick, the wind is picking up. Just like before a thunder storm.  The devolution of social order will not give rise to armies of blue and grey line up in neat little lines across the Potomac.  This will be fratricide.   The just and the unjust will be caught up in it and it will unleash a maelstrom that may very well murder the lot of us in our living rooms.  This is not a thing to be hoped for.

 

 

God help us but it may start by goons kicking our doors in.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 00:57 | 6181461 bid the soldier...
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still

This is not a thing to be hoped for.

it may be an opportunity make a shady shekel or two
Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:20 | 6180713 Meat Hammer
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Why 180 days?  Got some unfinished business?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:35 | 6181340 samsara
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Start of Jade Helm?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:29 | 6180742 mastersnark
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This article is such crap.

When I was between the ages of 5 and 18, the government-employed teachers in my government-run school repeatedly told me the Constitution was put in place to prevent the government from violating the rights described in the government's constitution, and as intrepreted by government employees. This would include, I was told, my 4th amendment right to reasonable searches of my stuff by still other government employees.

In other words, what DOJ is doing is obviously protecting my rights and you all need to STFU before I "read something, say something."

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:32 | 6180756 Depression is Coming
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Well I am 99% confident we won't have another black president in my lifetime...

 

does he count as a woman too?

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:37 | 6180768 kowalli
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i don't know why you called him president.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:39 | 6180773 lakecity55
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"Stooge" is so much better!

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:39 | 6180772 lakecity55
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no, just gay. Bruce may count, but he is not presi-dent.

Michelle has a bigger dick than Bath House, I heard on the rumor mill.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 23:11 | 6181290 bid the soldier...
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Can you think of any other pluses besides 'last black president?'

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 08:06 | 6181838 Arnold
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We might get 'The Last Woman POTUS' out of the way in our lifetime too!

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:35 | 6180763 Dickweed Wang
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Time to get plenty of rope . . . . for the People's Court.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:37 | 6180767 justsayin2u
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The community organizer king can do no wrong.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:37 | 6180769 lakecity55
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but, but, he is our first fake negro presi-dent.

we cannot impeach him!

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 21:11 | 6181029 dexter_morgan
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technically, wasn't the Clinton called the first black president? he be likin dat brown sugar fo sure.

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 19:59 | 6180827 Lord Ariok
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I knew this would happen. The little people got a win agsint the man for what a WHOLE 4 hours ? Wow. Insane

Lord Ariok

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:40 | 6180828 earleflorida
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Here's aliitle flavour on Mr. Stalin:  "Who was Stalin's Father?"        http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_rothschild29.net

 

Please remember when Stalin got involved and excepted in the Russian Revolution--  fomented by the Jews. Most jews [poor] after the revolution migrated to Israel-- this is what the Rothschild's wanted from the (Balfour Declarationt / Disraeli)  beginning. They were quite sure that the genetic makeup/mindset of the communism regime would last but a century at most! [And],it did just that... eventually reverting back to its roots...[?]

Ps. Link doesn't work: must search "Who was Stalin's Father...a Rothschild Banker?" by Clifford Shack @ bibliotecapleyades.net/

jmo

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 12:00 | 6186566 earleflorida
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@ smacker

thank you very much for your help!

'The question that I should have followed-up with is-- 'Who is Obama's Father?'

... and what FBI/CIA connections did his mothers' family have  in Kuala Lumbur,Malaysia!?!

again, thank you

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:34 | 6180914 Vooter
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"Oh my god...another plane just hit the South Tower! People are jumping...now the North Tower is collapsing!"

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...

Tue, 06/09/2015 - 20:44 | 6180942 insanelysane
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The cabal needs the data collection to continue because they need to know the political strategies of everyone running for President.  Wou;dn't want a non puppet to accidentally get voted in.

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