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"Obama Is Destroying Europe", "Dragging It Into A Crusade Against Russia" Says Former French PM

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While on the surface the European leaders of G-7 nations are all smiles in their photo-ops next to US president Barack Obama, there is an unmistakable tension and simmering resentment at the US for forcing Europe into America's personal crusades.

"Today, Europe is not independent… The US is drawing us [the EU] into a crusade against Russia, which contradicts the interests of Europe,” said the former French Prime Minister Fillon while the chief economist at Bremer Landesbank adds that as a result of US policies "unmeasurable damage lies in an elevated geopolitical risk situation for the people in the EU.”

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German Banker: Obama Is Destroying Europe, submitted by investigative historian Eric Zuesse

Interviewed on June 6th by German Economic News, the chief economist at Bremer Landesbank, Folker Hellmeyer, says that because of Obama’s sanctions against Russia, German exports declined year-over-year by 18% in 2014, and by 34% in the first two months of 2015 (no later figures), but he asserts that "The damage is much more comprehensive than these statistics show,” because those are only the “primary losses,” and there are in addition “secondary effects,” which get even worse over time.

For example: "European countries with strong business in Russia, including Finland and Austria, are economically hit very hard. These countries consequently place fewer orders from Germany. Moreover, considering that European corporations will circumvent the sanctions, to create production facilities at the highest efficiency level in Russia, we lose this potential capital stock, which is the basis of our prosperity. Russia wins the capital stock,” at the EU’s expense, even though the sanctions are targeted against Russia.

But the nub is this: “For the future, Germany and the EU place their economic reliability into question with Russia. The relationship of trust is broken by Germany and the EU. In order to build such confidence, it takes several years. Between signature and delivery are up to five years. ... Siemens is now thrown out from a major project for this reason [i.e., because the requisite predictability has been lost]. Alstom has likewise lost the contract for the railway line from Moscow to Beijing. Consequently, the potential for damage is much more massive than the current figures show, not only for Germany, but for the entire EU.”

Then, he says: "More [projects] still in planning include the axis from Peking to Moscow as part of the Shanghai Corporation and the BRIC countries, the largest growth project in modern history, the construction of the infrastructure of Eurasia, from Moscow to Vladivostok, to Southern China and India. How far the EU and Germany's sanctions-policy regarding Russia figures in these developing-countries’ mega-projects will depend upon whether we’ll be seen as hostile in other emerging countries than Russia. [NOTE from Eric Zuesse: Obama speaking 28 May 2014 to graduating West Point cadets: ‘Russia’s aggression toward former Soviet states unnerves capitals in Europe, while China’s economic rise and military reach worries its neighbors. From Brazil to India, rising middle classes compete with us, and governments seek a greater say in global forums.’ His attitude toward developing countries is clear — they are enemies, to be dealt with via the military, not economic partners to advance with us in economic cooperation.] But, obviously, there is a lack that some participants in European politics [and inside the White House!] have in their abilities to think abstractly on our behalf.”

Asked who will be paying the price for this, he says: "The measurable damage is loss of growth, in lost wages, losses in contributions to the social system and in tax revenue. This is true for the past 12 months, and it is valid for the years ahead. The people in Germany and the EU will pay the price through lost prosperity and stability. The unmeasurable damage lies in an elevated geopolitical risk situation for the people in the EU.”

Asked about the situation in Ukraine, Hellmeyer says: "It is indeed irritating. People who are focused not only on Western ‘quality media' are amazed at those media hiding the aggression of Kiev and the discriminatory laws implemented by the Government in Kiev, which constitute a serious challenge to the claim that Western values and democracy are being supported by the West. I believe, to Mr Steinmeier’s credit, that he is in fact talking plainly about these matters behind closed doors. The question is whether the behavior of the Atlantic alliance supports Mr. Steinmeier. I refer in this regard especially to Victoria Nuland. The fact is that by the coup in the Ukraine, an oligarchy friendly towards Moscow was replaced by an oligarchy now oriented toward the United States. It's geopolitics, which benefits third forces, but definitely not Germany, not the EU, not Russia, and not Ukraine.” So, he sees U.S. as having gained at the expense of every other country, but especially at Europe’s expense.

Asked about the future, Folker Hellmeyer says: "For me, the conflict has already been decided. The axis Moscow-Beijing-BRIC wins. The dominance of the West is through. In 1990 those countries accounted for only about 25% of world economic output. Today, they represent 56% of world economic output, and 85% of world population. They control about 70% of the world's foreign exchange reserves. They grow annually by an average of 4% - 5%. Since the United States were not prepared to share power internationally (e.g., by changing the voting-apportionments in the IMF and World Bank), the future rests with those countries themselves, to build in the emerging markets sector on their own financial system. There lies their future. The EU is currently being drawn into the conflict, which the United States caused because she did not share power and want to share. The longer we pursue this [mono-polar, hegemonic, Imperial, supremacist, internationally dictatorial, aggressive] policy in the EU, the higher the price [to Europe will be].”

He goes on to say: "The fact is that the emerging countries emancipate themselves from US control. This is evident in the creation of competitive institutions of the World Bank (AIIB) and the IMF (New Development Bank) by the axis of the emerging countries. This displeases the still prevailing hegemon. The current international hot spots of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, to the Ukraine, are an expression of this, in the background, as a clearly identifiable power-confrontation [between the U.S. and every other country]. If we were there intending to establish democracy and freedom, let's look at the success in achieving those goals. [His implication: it’s failure.]"

German Economic News asks: "The contempt with which the US government deals with the Europeans is remarkable, such as the NSA tapping the Chancellor’s phone, and Nuland’s famous 'Fuck the EU’ statement. Have European politicians no self-respect, or are they just too cowardly?"

Hellmeyer responds: “The person who is a true democrat takes seriously his duties as a politician for the public’s well-being, and does not allow his nation's self-determination to be so contemptuously trampled underfoot, such as has followed from that remark. The person who is not a true democrat, has with respect to the above values and canon, severe deficits.”

CLOSE from Zuesse: Why is there not, in Europe, a huge movement to abandon NATO, and to kick out the U.S. military? Whom is the U.S. ‘defending’ Europeans from, after the Warsaw Pact ended in 1991? Why did not Gorbachev demand that NATO disband when the Warsaw Pact did — simultaneous (instead of one-sided) disbanding of the Cold War, so that there would not become the foundation for international fascism to arise to conquer Russia (first, to surround it by an expanding NATO — and ultimately via TPP & TTIP), in the aftermath? Why is there not considerable public debate about these crucial historical, cultural, and economic, matters? Why is there such deceit, which requires these massive questions to be ignored so long by ‘historians’? How is it even possible for the world to move constructively forward, in this environment, of severe censorship, in the media, in academia, and throughout ‘the free world’? Why is there no outrage that the Saudi and other Arabic royals fund islamic jihad (so long as it’s not in their own countries) but America instead demonizes Russia’s leaders, who consistently oppose jihadists and jihadism? Why are America’s rulers allied with the top financiers of jihad? Why is that being kept so secret? Why are these injustices tolerated by the public? Who will change this, and how? When will that desperately needed change even start? Will it start soon enough? Maybe WW III won’t occur, but the damages are already horrible, and they’re getting worse. This can go on until the end; and, if it does, that end will make horrible look like heaven, by comparison. It would be worse than anything ever known — and it could happen in and to our generation.

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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of  They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of  CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity, and of  Feudalism, Fascism, Libertarianism and Economics.


 

And then, here is former French Prime Minister Francois Fillon who told RT that the "US is drawing Europe into crusade against Russia, against our interests"

The US is drawing European states into a “crusade” against Russia, which goes against Europe’s interests, former French Prime Minister Francois Fillon has said. Speaking to French media, he stressed that Europe now is dependent on Washington.

Today, Europe is not independent… The US is drawing us [the EU] into a crusade against Russia, which contradicts the interests of Europe,” Fillon told the BFMTV channel.

The ex-French prime minister, who served in Nicolas Sarkozy’s government from 2007 till 2012, lashed out at Washington and its policies.

Washington, Fillon said, pursues “extremely dangerous” policies in the Middle East that the EU and European states have to agree with.

He accused German intelligence of spying on France “not in the interests of Germany but in the interests of the United States.”

Fillon pointed out that Washington is pressuring Germany to concede to Greece and find a compromise.

He noted the “American justice system” often interferes with the work of “European justice systems.”

"Europe is not independent,” the ex-PM said, calling for “a broad debate on how Europe can regain its independence.”

This, however, would not be possible if Europe goes ahead and signs the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), a proposed EU-US treaty, which has drawn much criticism for its secretiveness and lack of accountability.

“I am definitely against signing this agreement [TTIP] in the form in which it is now,” he added.

 

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Wed, 06/10/2015 - 15:58 | 6183683 Fun Facts
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Obama and all the European mascotts are all working for the same

folks

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 15:59 | 6183692 Stackers
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Dont kid yourself. The trans-atlantic technocrat power elites are all on board for picking a fight with Russia.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:02 | 6183702 Supernova Born
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Keep pulling that root, euro-tards.

When Europe finds where it leads they'll go quiet.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:06 | 6183741 Ms. Erable
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It's doubtful the Eurotrash (i.e., "leadership") will find their balls before they sacrifice another generation of young men on the battlefield.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:28 | 6183844 TruxtonSpangler
Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:30 | 6183849 clooney_art
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Obama is great. Doing all the right things for this country.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:51 | 6183938 Oldwood
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You got to give these assholes credit. You couldn't write a better world wide disaster script. They are fucking taking this thing down...while the band plays on.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:03 | 6183997 macholatte
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Are we to believe that the EU politicians are victims without free will or basic intelligence or the ability to make their own decisions on how they should “lead” and govern?  

Just blame Obama and pull the covers over your heads and keep your jobs with all the perks.

The adjective FUCKTARDS seems appropriate.

(and I ain't no fan of Barry S and his fundamental transformation of America)

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:38 | 6184111 Oldwood
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Everyone is working for their OWN agenda, which may differ greatly but yet have common themes that serve their ends. Many are simply trying to retain their power and/or wealth and will do whatever it takes for that to happen regardless of how destructive it may be for others or even themselves in the future. Others are busily creating circumstances which stimulate these kinds of actions, of knee jerk, short term selfish considerations....knowing the ultimate destruction they cause will create even greater opportunities for power and/or wealth.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what their agenda is if it is still bringing the same result. Whether Barry is an evil genius or simple shill matters not to me. The fact that he is black is irrelevant as well, except that it is used as a shield against criticism that also creates further social unrest and destruction...all contributing to the end they are seeking.

Until we act in our own LONG TERM INTEREST, nothing will change. Until we are willing to sacrifice our immediate comforts and pleasures, we will continue to slide backwards towards the abyss. We simply must deny them what it is they need....our productivity. We will need to effectively go on strike, stop buying imported crap that gives them the margins they can use to build even more factories overseas. Stop borrowing and paying interest. Stop giving them our cash to gamble with, in the "markets" or even in a savings account. The only reason to participate is as a protection from their corrosive effects to our assets. Take them out of the game. It will hurt and it will require sacrifice, and most of all it will require a voluntary collective action where some will not seek to take advantage. If we cannot act in our collective best interest...and there is one, then we are fucked and always will be. The notion that we can hire or elect someone to protect our interests is simply nuts, like a frog giving a scorpion a ride on his back. It's nature.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:48 | 6184348 mrdenis
Wed, 06/10/2015 - 19:19 | 6184450 Meat Hammer
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These EU pricks decided to join a gang and then realized that they didn't want to be in the gang anymore.  And we all know there is only one way to quit a gang.  

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 19:25 | 6184467 Winston Churchill
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Don't be naive Hammer.

I'm sure its been made plain in private meetings that ICBM's can be retargetted very easily.

No point having a big stick if you don't wave it around now and then.

Given that choice, you take the bribe.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 19:42 | 6184532 Meat Hammer
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Something about mutually-assured destruction makes me disagree with you, Winston.  It sounds to me like these guys made a deal with the devil and now are trying to tell everyone that the devil is really mean.  Like, duh!

Oh, and I have an update on getting off the grid.  The counties in Kalifornia where we are looking to buy arable land are absolutely horrible to deal with in terms of water, power, and septic, and the process is taking forever, but it'll happen.

PS - I didn't junk you.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 20:05 | 6184607 Winston Churchill
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You honestly think Russia or the USA would go for MAD over the destruction of some european country

by either side ?

I suppose with the neocon nutcases in charge you may be right, but with saner people in charge, not likely.

A friend of mine is setting up a pot farm in Kalifornia, or trying to, from Florida.Two years of

dealing with the county there , and all he has is a non productive money pit.

Apart from hot(radioactive) product, I can't see the attraction, unless its the beach girls running bare breasted

harvesting the hash oil.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 19:42 | 6184536 conscious being
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Winston unusual for you, your comment makes no sense. Several countries have ICBMs loaddd with nuclear weapons. Where's the saftey in adhering to the agressor? I do believe 100% threats, implied or otherwise are made to the personal safety of leaders and their families in many countries. I also believe many in positions of leadership are of the Dennis Hastert variety where some evil secrets and threat of exposure, ie. Blackmail keeps them in line. John Brown did what he thought was right despite knowing the consequences, making it easier for others to follow suit.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 20:15 | 6184631 Winston Churchill
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Why do you think the Brits and French went with their own independant deterent ?

They didn't trust the US if the chips were down ,to risk MAD, was one reason.

They didn't want to be blackmailed was the other

They are the only partners in the arrangement, the others not so much..

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 21:35 | 6184861 conscious being
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Winny - you are losing the thread.

Here's what you said. "Don't be naive Hammer. I'm sure its been made plain in private meetings that ICBM's can be retargetted very easily". The implication being that Euro leaders kow tow to the hedgemon to avoid being nuked by same. This makes no sense to me because if they mismanage things such that there is a war and they are too closely tied to the hegemon, they invite the risk of being nuked by the Russians ... or the Chinese.

France and UK having their own weapons is a wash. And despite France and England having their own weapons, neither appears to have an independent foreign policy that takes the well-being of their citizens into account.

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 08:42 | 6185883 IRC162
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It's a shame that I couldn't read your post,  most of the verbiage was hidden under Tylers' big Blue carousel of fucking advertising shit.  I like ZH first and foremost because of you guys,  the member commentors.  In aggregate,  this board would be a great education for the masses.

 For too long now the left 25% and right 25% of my screen are all click fuggin bait.   Dammit Tyler,  your mobile platform sucks sweaty nutsack.  Posts about 6 layers in are completely unreadable. Where is your IT guy?  He's fucking you right now.

  If you keep it up,  the member commentors can leave to make more room for your paid ads.....but no comments means no clicks.... You're walking a fine line between product quality control and ad revenue.   Maybe you can study the click revenue elasticity of a slowly dwindling commentor populace.  And what the fuck is up with members like Chilli Sauce and Blowing Wind? 

Wake the fuck up Tyler,  you are now that which you revile. 

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 03:37 | 6185542 HowdyDoody
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The British get their ICBMs from the US. The US effectively has a veto over targetting. We can assume they would veto the Brits targetting the US.

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 06:01 | 6185647 Winston Churchill
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Not since Aldermaston started making their own warheads and MIRV busses.

They removed the back door kill switches deployed by Uncle Scam after they got the missiles.

British Aeorospace also makes some fine missiles.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 23:59 | 6185267 fleur de lis
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The European nations are at fault for being willing concubines for DC warmongers. There is no good reason for European sanctions against Russia. They have no beef with Russia, this fight is between Russia and the DC usurpers because Russia won't take orders from them. If DC can abuse our military why would the Europeans think they will fare any better.

The Euro-weenies are allowing themselves to be pulled around by the short hairs by skanks like Victoria Nudelman. She doesn't even have any loyalty for America--she's only trying to even the score for the perceived injustices between her family and Russia decades ago. She speaks fluent Russian for the purpose of agitating violent unrest and then hiding behind a passport that she doesn't even respect. 

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 00:50 | 6185373 Confused
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A general question: After the fall of the Berlin wall, all of the occupying forces left the country, except one, which still maintains military installations until today. Care to guess who that might be? 

 

Hard to be a soverign nation under those circumstances. 

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 00:43 | 6185366 WTFUD
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A tad harsh macholatte. Obama scammed folks good and proper, twice. EVERYTHING HE PROMISED TO DO WAS A LIE.

In my book that's impeachment.

The fact that he was committed from DAY ONE to pursue the AGENDA of the CABAL is nothing short of TREASON.

OK most of us ain't too bright but he fooled a lot of Smarts also.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:11 | 6184222 mutthead52
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Jebs speech in Berlin was worse in this direction than Obama. Get a clue: party politics is irrelevant here, and the Bush--Saudi royal conglomerate will be far worse.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:07 | 6183742 Boris Alatovkrap
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Moral and ethic bankrupt Europe not is need any help from USSA amateur-in-chief, but now maybe understand why photographic is always show Putin with smirk subtely.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:12 | 6184019 Model T
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Amateur -in-chief; is perfect. I think you speak English a lot better than a lot of local posters on here.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:44 | 6184339 Debtman And Robbin
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Amateur? Lt. Worf's wife is quite the opposite.

He's a perfect actor. Fuck, he outshines all the U.S. politicians who were actually movie actors before they started their 2nd carrer.

"Voting" Reagan and Schwarzenegger into office would have been enough to prove the Money Power is able to install whoever they want.

I guess awarding the O with a 2nd term in office was just for their personal entertainment. 

Imagine how they will be laughing as soon as Jeb Clinton is becoming the lead actor...

Is there any creature on earth U.S. subjects would not accept as POTUS?

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 22:04 | 6184947 Pal
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LIke I say before Vlad don't surf! 

 

China, Russia are playing chess, whereas Loser In Chief and the sycophantic parade of sociopaths in Congress can't even get a move in as they are too busy wanking themselves with one hand and beating the shit out of their own citizens with lead pipe of oppression with the other hand to even notice that BRICs have already won, it's just has not made onto MSNBC or FOX so the USA moronic public doesn't know anything about it yet.  They will wake up after it's over like they always do and they will demand Congress and Loser In Chief 'do something' which will mean another round of debt fueled wars.  Shit's written on the wall but no one reads in Amerika their too busy jackin off to American Idol and Kardishian wannabe porn whores.

 

It's all just gotten to be so predictable in the last ten years.

Amerika, just too fuckin stupid to survive...it's toast...smell that char?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:01 | 6183706 kliguy38
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When all else fails you go to war........wurks everytime......

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:45 | 6183912 11b40
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Yes, but next time could be the last time.  If it goes nuclear, we can all kiss our collective asses adios.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:48 | 6183925 GeezerGeek
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I'm about to start collecting lots of sticks and stones. One can never tell when WW IV will be upon us.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:38 | 6184112 11b40
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This could be the last time + It's all over now ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM2b9CcH1KM&list=RDeM2b9CcH1KM

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:03 | 6184195 Karl von Bahnhof
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Gorbachev was fully controlled via his wife Raisa, and she was in hook with Jish german media conglomerates (Burda Media) and catholic priests.

They just sold whole eastern europe together with SU for good shopping with golden credit card and nice dress from Paris.
It was so simple tragic.

And poor mischa is now playing in commercials in pizza hut and louis v.

Google gorbachev commercial

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:10 | 6183765 Freedom In Your...
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Pretty sure Russia is in on it too. And China. There are no good nations, only the mentally ill ruling class trying to gain / consolidate more power for themselves.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:15 | 6184028 Model T
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I can't let you get away with that. That's sleazy non-logic. Russia is the victim and the USA is the terrorist country out for world domination; don't pretend otherwise. Russia would be glad to stay home and mind there own business; Washington--Uh-huh; nope; gotta stir that shit-pot. It's not a question of "good nations"--There;s an aggressor and a victim; or intended victim. It's not a neutral situation.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:31 | 6184072 Freedom In Your...
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On the national stage, you are absolutely correct and usa is playing the aggressor in this iteration of nation vs. nation. It is fairly obvious that politicians (at least in usa) don't hold the real power and just do the bidding of who I refer to as the ruling class. In russia, i couldn't say if it is the same way, or if putin is the actual ruling class. Either way, the same people that own the political system in america are ears deep in the corruption in China and probably Russia too.

The game they are playing has no real borders, and just the fact that russia and china are participating in that game leads me to believe they are in on it (or being controlled by the same ruling class) and the real power behind those states will profit from the outcome just like the real power in america will prosper from war and the destruction of the economy here. The real game here is the Human Race vs. Phsycopathic mammals resembling humans. Most actual humans don't even know they are on the field either.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:43 | 6184126 Oldwood
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The utopian view that all that is required for peace is pacifism and non aggression. When we find that species to dominate our planet, it only then will be possible. Few countries with the size and resources to attempt to dominate all others have failed to at least try...since the beginning of time. Just because Russia and China have held underdog status for a while does not mean they lack ambition....or patience.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:56 | 6184172 Freedom In Your...
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The non-aggression principal is great when you are only dealing with human beings. The very reason that nations throughout history always try to dominate and expand their influence is because there are the legitimately mentally ill ruling class that lack any form of empathy or regular human emotion that gravitate to power and lie / cheat / steal / murder to rise to the top of the power structure.

In the current world, that power structure isn't limited to a certain geographical area or ethnic group. I have no idea whether or not the ruling class will use the coming war / depression / whatever to prop up a different country as the "world power" or if they'll use it to start some type of world wide government system, either way, the same mentally diseased people will be calling the shots.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:16 | 6184244 Implied Violins
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Absolutely correct. Been reading Brandon Smith, no? And it looks like you have read 'Political Ponerology' too (the politics of evil; or 'how psychopaths always rise to the top of control structures').

This shit-storm is created to: 1. make the west look like fucking stupid psychopaths (which they are, but NOT stupid - diabolical, yes)
2. Make the east - Putin/China - look like knights in shining armor 3. Take down the monetary system, with the BRICS looking like the logical place to go 4. One World Currency. TOTAL CONTROL *FOREVER*.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:42 | 6184331 Freedom In Your...
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Once people comprehend the ideas you mention the current reality we live in becomes much less confusing. Haven't read the author you mention, but it will go on my ever lengthening "To Read" list. thanks.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:26 | 6184275 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ah, the 'american' argumentation: "It is human nature."

For US citizens, everything they deem good, they take credit for. Everything they deem bad, they shed it on the nature of humanity.

Tells so much about responsibility as a failed concept. So many people so quick to look for diluting their responsibility across all humanity. So little time focused on assessing the reality of the revelations and so little time spent on realizing that people are powerless to change anything in the ways of their government.

Because that is the question. Let's forget about what the Russians do, the Chinese do and so on...

Could the US citizens change the ways of their government? They would need to have the desire of. They don't, as shown by their quick jump to dilute their responsibility.

US citizens have always been denying the meaning of responsibility. They have kept exporting their shit so they have not to smell it.

It is more fabled past to claim it was otherwise.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:48 | 6184351 Oldwood
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Show me any life form on this planet that is not competing with its own kind as well as every other. None seeks parity, but superiority. Its no excuse to suggest that the reason why this madness of self destruction has gone on since recorded time is because it is in our nature....unless you think Americans invented it and predisposed upon humanity through time travel to our past.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 21:25 | 6184832 dark pools of soros
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Most species don't kill their own kind. Get out much? Unless you think 'animals' or 'fish' are species

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 22:09 | 6184963 Oldwood
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Never said they necessarily killed each other but many times if one doesn't submit, it will lead to death. Even in our own species most are not on intent to kill, just dominate one another. Every blade of grass attempts to grow taller than the one next to it, every tree to grow out from under the shadow of its neighbor. Predator creatures will kill one another for dominance and even herd animals will use violence to attempt Alpha status.

Life IS competition, and with all competition, there are winners and losers. If you think somehow human life, to be unlike all other life will voluntarily submit in mass, agree to "equality" of opportunity AND result, you are a fool.

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 00:55 | 6185383 Confused
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When led to war by a criminal/ruling elite, as humans have been throughout history, it is rather unfair to say "it is OUR nature." 

Sure. It is in their (the ruling class) nature. But certainly not the everday individual. To suggest otherwise is an insult to everyone and everything around us. Nothing would work. And we would never have made it out of caves, without working together. 

<Expecting loads of down arrows>

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 06:40 | 6185672 Oldwood
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I will never say ALL people are a certain way, but historically they do rhyme. Just because some of the smarter and more ambitious of those aggressive types become ruling psychopaths does not mean you can ignore the  murderous nature of many others. Simply look at the death toll amongst inner city groups, not to mention the ME where death and mayhem are a lifestyle.

Civilization has been our attempt at moderating those tendencies, but the problem with civilizations is the natural tendency to aggregate power, and like any powerful weapon that finds its way into a psychopath's hands, it will be used.

It is our insecurities combined with a personal lust for power that can convert simple self defensive actions into aggressive violent acts, a paper hanger into a world dictator, or a kid on the street into a serial killer.

All I know is it can exist in anyone, and as we watch society break down, that inherent tendency will become all the more apparent.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:15 | 6183790 Mike Masr
Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:24 | 6183829 BlowsAgainstthe...
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The real "axis of evil" runs through Jerusalem, New York and Washington. 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:17 | 6184035 Model T
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Well, let's see about that; what would happen if you could reform Washington, DC; without touching either of the other two centers? Hmm; all the problems disappear. Looks like you're wrong.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:33 | 6184074 oddjob
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At least we agree AIPAC is a toxic cespool.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:45 | 6184138 Oldwood
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And Russia and China have a long history of peace and utopian vision, which has been unfortunate for million long dead. The whole world has a long and bloody history. Don't give anyone too much credit.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 22:01 | 6184896 MonetaryApostate
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Anyway, I don't talk about the Jews because bad things can happen if you do...

(I've learned first hand...)

So have other people, even extremely intelligent & informed journalist...

http://jimstonefreelance.com/jewish_community.html

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:45 | 6184140 Fun Facts
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AIPAC is the undeclared agent of a foreign government.

130,000 members and the most poweful government bribery operation in america.

Go figure.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:29 | 6184068 Urtica ferox
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"axis of evil"   You forgot London

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:36 | 6184303 BlowsAgainstthe...
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You know, its funny you say that.  I had London in there when I was typing and then took it out just to go with the standard 3 entity "axis" meme.  But yes, I agree with you.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 22:00 | 6184930 MonetaryApostate
Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:31 | 6184077 Freedom In Your...
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The real axis of evil isn't limited to a city or even a nation.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 21:59 | 6184933 MonetaryApostate
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The ultra wealthy use global corporations, like Monsanto, Nestle, John Deere, Exxon Mobile, BP, etc. etc. etc....

These Global corps though have ties to the "Old Money" which I assure you originates from certain countries...

 

I'll give you a strong hint....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_Kingdom

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:34 | 6184089 BullyBearish
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Restate...Tel Aviv, London, New York

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:34 | 6184301 JR
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Germany, more than any of America's allies, demonstrates where the real power of the Banker Empire originates. It is in the Zionist capital of the world, New York City, for it is the guilt some German people feel for World War II that the international bankers are able to use as the leverage to force German subservience to the American superpower.

Since Germany dominates the European Union and is the key to NATO and the agreement on Russian sanctions, the New York and London based bankers must keep the pressure on Frankfurt. It's telling that German intelligence agencies would spy on France for the benefit of the US Superpower.

Why? To not obey will bring the leverage of Goldman Sachs et al., - the NY Fed Bank -against French and Germany banks and any any other dissenter, using the full power of the United States of America.

Some have charged that the American superpower is a joint operation run through New York, London and Israel. What greater evidence can be provided than Germany's willingness to do the Zionist bidding than its actions in the European Union which, like France, go against its own national interests?

It should not be forgotten that since Germany's defeat more than 70 years ago in WWII, it has been occupied by US troops and Zionist political power.

It is a bankers' game; the European Union is a banker construct and from Frankfort to Paris the real control is coming from the banker owners of the Federal Reserve.

Another major loser in this Fed banker game are the American people who are losing their sovereignty to super-rich globalists who have absolutely no allegiance to America or her people. The purpose is to dissolve the United States so an international government can be established - with monetary and political control operating from a central source.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 19:12 | 6184413 JR
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reposted below

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 20:22 | 6184645 Augustus
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I am waiting to read your explanation of how the Jewish controllers in New York were able to get Puutie to suck their dicks, occupy Crimea, and then invade Ukraine.  The master of the world, Puutie the Russian genius and strongman, is really just another puppet?  Tell that to Latina Lipper or Cosmo who post from Moscow.  Should be great reading.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 19:11 | 6184419 mortem-tyrannus
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Behold a high priest of Moloch.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:03 | 6183709 1000yrdstare
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The "same" meaning: the "Get rich and steal everything, than fly to New Zealand bunker before all of this shit goes down" team?

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:43 | 6183906 bbq on whitehou...
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If they fly off to their bunkers, that just means they can be sealed in their tombs. That bunker is a one way trip.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:02 | 6183711 BLOTTO
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Yes, just to be clear, Obama may be talking but its the Puppet Master pulling his strings.

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Voting them out is useless. The 'beasts' head must be chopped off.

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Now wtf do we do?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:48 | 6183926 Freedom In Your...
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Ignore everything they do short of physically harming / stealing from you or the people in your community? Transition to some form of money they cannot control? Seed distrust of the ruling class as much as possible? Find ways to live your life that don't involve giving the mentally ill ruling class your time, productivity, or energy?

I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of things, but that is a start.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:22 | 6184048 Model T
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How do you know it's useless ? You didn't even try. The Republican Candidate promised to cancel Obamanation Care the day he was elected; it was worth a try; especially since that may be the straw that breaks the camels back. But you couldn't be bothered; or you were terrified of the word "Republican". I don't care of they belong to the Field Animals party and represent the mountain goats, when you have a proven lying, criminal freak doing the bidding of the New York Bankers and the Military Industrial Complex; with no resistance, no push back at all, you try something else. Unless, of crouse, you're very, very, stupid.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:58 | 6184183 Freedom In Your...
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Can you name 1 legitimate presidential candidate in the past 50 years that wasn't already bought and paid for by the ruling class? This coming election will be no different.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 21:34 | 6184853 dark pools of soros
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"Now wtf do we do"

Watch porn on your iWatch while serving lattes to your overlording lizards

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:11 | 6183769 OldPhart
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Obama Is Destroying Europe

Now that America is destroyed he's looking for new hobbies.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:26 | 6183836 cowdiddly
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That what I was thinking. Its high time to spread this crap around a little, weve taken all we can stand. You can already stick a fork in Merica

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:39 | 6183889 HamRove
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Dollar Crash + Economic collapse + Obama Solution = 1000 years of NWO rule

You can choose to do something

nationallibertyalliance.org

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:54 | 6184165 Oldwood
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The thing that tyranny has always understood is that it never lasts in competition to the rest of the free world. This is why the communists always professed that the only way communism could survive is if it had world domination. Tyranny cannot withstand competition, which is also why competition in all forms including capitalism is always held in such disdain. It is the solvent that washes away tyranny.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:01 | 6184199 Debtman And Robbin
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His only job is to completely destroy the U.S. The rest is just distraction.

The U.S. has been made the most powerful tool the Money Power ever had.

As soon as the whole world is enslaved by (contract) law, and it's almost done, America's duty will be fullfilled and the U.S. will be rendered useless. 

Imagine how many wars it took to get to this point. The last one will be fought on American soil. But the belligerents will all be domestic.

 

BTW, the illusion of politically opposing parties started long before the Republican-Democrat / left-right shitshow.

Think of Thomas Jefferson vs. Alexander Hamilton. 

Seriously, the Founding Fathers were grandmasters of deception - and Admiralty Law. 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:47 | 6184144 Sonic the porcupine
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Eric Zuesse, great source. He wrote a book basically saying how the democrats are great for the economy and another about how Libertarianism stemmed from Facism.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:40 | 6184324 PhilofOz
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Everytime I see Obama talk, he appears to me as a ventriloquist's doll with the words that drivel out from his mouth coming from elsewhere. Nothing new there though.... I get the same impression with just about all western leaders.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 19:30 | 6184489 doctor10
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amazing what the NSA transcripts of your "allies" leadership foibles can do for a president such as Obama.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 19:42 | 6184538 doctor10
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WTF is wrong with these humanoids?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:00 | 6183694 FreeShitter
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Shit, even this fool thinks obama is running the show. They play both sides.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:55 | 6183963 847328_3527
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Obamacare plan prices to jump an average of 12%

 

Many Obamacare customers could be looking at surprisingly large price increases next year....

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/insurance/obamacare-plan-prices-to-jump-a...

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:12 | 6184229 Debtman And Robbin
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No, he doesn't. He just learned his script.

Deception is how they are running the show.

Don't fall for it, my freeshitting brother.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 22:17 | 6184991 Oldwood
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Why is it so important who runs it? This is not about seeking revenge, its about resisting the manipulations that are driving us to the path predestined. We know what they are and simply refuse to abandon our addictions to credit and consumption.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:01 | 6183696 astoriajoe
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insert nail gun, tall building, or late-model mercedes reference here.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:01 | 6183704 Government need...
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The same master controlling monkeyObama is stirring the pot faster a witch on Halloween.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:03 | 6183705 Czar of Defenes...
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To suggest that doing NOTHING

in the event of Russian aggression (in Ukraine, Baltics, etc)

would be better (be it morally or geopolitically)

is equally nonsensical as this "blame America!" conspiracy claptrap.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:19 | 6183808 NoWayJose
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You must be an NBA fan - the first player commiting the foul never gets called - only the retaliation foul gets noticed!

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:24 | 6183826 HonkyShogun
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He must be a WWE fan because he thinks that shit's real.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:22 | 6183821 sandman.s
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You obviously aren't paying attention.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:27 | 6184060 Model T
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Since it's completely obvious that there is no Russian aggression, in Ukraine, Baltics, or elsewhere; we'll have plenty of time to decide what to do about it if there ever is; meanwhile we have a shooting war going on in Ukraine that involves Fascist Madmen dropping artillery rounds on peoples houses  in a terror campaign to force them to accept the illegitimate murderers in Kiev as their masters; and we caused that; and we send them the ammunition. Wake Up, Please.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 19:06 | 6184403 mortem-tyrannus
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I agree with you Czar. This is the same salad tossing crowd they had in England back in the mid 30's. Too fucking stupid to wake up to Hitler's agression until *after* he had amassed a nearly invincible army.

Would have been a hell of a lot better for everyone if the French and the English had kicked Hitler good and hard right in the balls in 1935.

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 07:18 | 6185709 escapeefromOZ
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"To suggest that doing NOTHING 

in the event of Russian aggression (in Ukraine, Baltics, etc)

would be better (be it morally or geopolitically)

is equally nonsensical as this "blame America!" conspiracy claptrap. "

At least the O monkey should refrain from organizing coup d'etat in area that are none of his business .

O monkey went a bridge too far . 

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:01 | 6183708 CrimsonAvenger
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He's like a reverse Midas, turning everything he touches into shit.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:03 | 6183710 Mike Masr
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Great story Tyler!!

The EU countries are vassal states of the US being dragged by the nose to help the US foment a war with Russia.

Unless this is called out we will be engaged in World War III by the end of summer and then a nuclear winter!!!  

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:30 | 6183853 X_Weatherman
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I agree; its a well written piece. Makes me want to read more of Juesse's stuff.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:00 | 6183983 11b40
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He does post well written, cohesive articles. and has been posting more often recently.  I like this one from yesterday.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-09/what%E2%80%99s-wrong-administra...

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 23:13 | 6185178 Calmyourself
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Nuclear winter is a lie, Carl copped to it... No, worry about meltdowns after a nuke strike.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:03 | 6183717 Bay of Pigs
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Destroying Europe? Baloney. Obama is simply doing what he has been told to do. He isn't very bright and has no real power at all outside of those who handle him and tell him what to read and say.

If those assclowns in Europe had any balls at all, they would just tell him to fuck off and mind his own business.

 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:47 | 6183920 Savyindallas
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Europe's leaders are ownd by the same masters  -their people are a little smarter, but still lazy  -and above all -disarmed. They can protest all they want, but they are disarmed serfs  -their rations will be cut dramatically when the SHTF.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:03 | 6183718 aliki
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kelly evans just had the line of her career. regarding greece: "if you kick the can down the road long enough, maybe nothing bad ever happens..."

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:08 | 6183746 FreeShitter
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Cocaine is still a helluva drug.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:05 | 6183732 QQQBall
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Now Obomber knows how Bush II felt. Ha Ha Ha!

 

Aliki - I think Greenspan said that first

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:06 | 6183733 f16hoser
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Only dumb asses listen to Obama. Why would they take anything he says seriously? Let him speak and then forget it all 10 minutes later.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:44 | 6183907 Savyindallas
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He's a faggott and is married to a Tranny  - cokehead and CIA bankster sponsored stooge. Can't hate him for being a puppet.  I might do the same if it would make me phenomenally wealthy and famous. 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:06 | 6183737 thamnosma
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Obama is the greatest man to have ever lived on Earth.  Just in case ZH gets a DOJ subpoena.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:36 | 6184092 TalkToLind
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No subpoena needed, DOJ can have my personal info now.  The name on my ZH profile is Dickens, Cider.  

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:08 | 6183752 LetsGetPhysical
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President Peace-Prize at it again. And the irony here is the euro-fags are the ones who gave him the peace-prize. 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:52 | 6183943 large_wooden_badger
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White guilt is a disease

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:25 | 6184056 GeezerGeek
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The euro-fags, to use your term, are afraid to oppose Obama for the same reason the RINOs are: they don't want to be called racists.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:31 | 6184073 Model T
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NO, that's childish. they have huge financial entanglements. The New York Banks are the power they dare not offend.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 19:36 | 6184516 doctor10
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nope. They've been shown the content of their NSA files-and understand that if they don't comply the Washington Post or their local national media gets a file dropped on somebody's desk from the NSA-with all sorts of real and made-up crap in it.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 21:44 | 6184889 LetsGetPhysical
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Remember the 2008 Berlin speech? Thousands of socialist bleeding hearts cheering for Barry's bullshit. And of course lets not forget Germany works hand and hand with the NSA. So any of this whiny handwringing is nothing more than buyers remorse.... And those euro-dupes bought into it hook, line and sinker. Now eat your peas bitches.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:30 | 6184070 Model T
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True story, and yes it is ironic.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:09 | 6183755 unionbroker
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i agree

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:09 | 6183756 farflungstar
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I can't help but think if there were a Romney president the same shit would be happening, albeit Euros would appear to get dragged along more reluctantly because Romney is less of a globe-trotting internationalist metrosexual cock pocket (But no less a douchebag).

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:32 | 6184081 Model T
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You're wrong, the same shit would not be happening. I know this because I actually study history and understand it. You can't say this because you didn't make it happen. It makes a huge difference who the President is.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:31 | 6184285 mortem-tyrannus
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You are out of your mind. 9/10 of just about everything is confidence. The US has plenty of untapped potential. Who the fuck wants to start a business now just to have that Indonesian impostor tax you blind to feed the local porch monkey population.

Romney, whatever his other flaws, would be installing the confidence guys like us need to go take a flyer and maybe even employ people one day.

For all of you without jobs, saying voting doesn't matter is denying the very act of job creation and what that process requires in order to really get going and raise living standards.

At a minimum, under Romney the queers wouldn't be running riot shutting down mom and pop business just because they don't want to cater to a bunch of faggots pretending to get married.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 18:43 | 6184335 TheFourthStooge-ing
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In this hard to believe.

But hey, blessed are the believers or something.

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 07:02 | 6185685 Oldwood
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Confidence IS our currency.

I've said it before. Our unemployment and real economic decline did not truly take hold until Obama took the lead in the 08 election. As a small business owner amongst many others, I saw it happen. Small business people, those who could not buy favor from government largess, anticipated bad things in our future. We hesitated. We cut back and tried to keep our powder dry.

There have always been cycles and downturns have always been good times to invest in business. I have tried...numerous times in the last six years, watched small upticks followed by further declines. Small business IS the lifeblood of an economy and when you kill our hope, you kill everything. Until something happens in government to provide even a little hope, this fucker ain't flying. At least Romney was not hostile to business, to profits, to capitalism. But we know many here are. In their hearts they want to believe they are for self reliance, but like all those who harbor little Marx's in their hearts, when their personal efforts fail, still lust for redistribution in hopes of wealth, and when that fails, will readily settle for simply destroying the wealth of others. Obama is excellent at that. I think this is one good reason he won reelection. He offered destruction to those who saw it as their only justice. Many here on this site yearn for it right now, willing to burn it all to the ground for their little bit of justice. It is amazing to see so many in full on hate of what they perceive as tyrannical oppression by the state, yet willing to see many lives destroyed in hopes of proving their ideology correct. Not all that different from Mao or Stalin.

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 13:56 | 6187053 large_wooden_badger
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Same shit, different sanctions

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:10 | 6183761 BlowsAgainstthe...
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Jesus Christ, you f'ing morons - it's not Obama.  He's not driving the bus.

 

http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:25 | 6183834 TruxtonSpangler
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Bingo

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:41 | 6183895 Savyindallas
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How can one possibly downgrade thgis comment unless you are a zionist troll or totally stupid. 

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:39 | 6184114 Model T
Model T's picture

You downgrade it because it's childish over-simplification. It makes a huge difference who is president.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 20:05 | 6184613 Meat Hammer
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Lol.  That's cute.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:55 | 6183962 TeamDepends
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Agreed. HOWEVER, as a card carrying red-diaper commie he is revelling in his role as head puppet destructor of the US.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:37 | 6184105 Model T
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And you're still wrong. When you lazy morons re-elected this obvious servant of the financial interests, who had already made his ownership clear, you sent a message to the Oligarchy that anything goes. The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. It makes a huge difference who is president; of course you know this somewhere in your ill-educated mind; and you're merely trying to escape responsibility for doing nothing while the nation burned. Won't work. It's your fault and the fault of all the other lazy, stupid, people who refused to get the vote out for Romney; who is an angel compared to this Freak. You got the Government you deserved, but I'm sorry to see it happening.

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 05:09 | 6185610 besnook
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romney?!?!?!?!?!?! lllllllloooooooooolllllllllllll. i can't stop laughing. i will stoop to your level only because it is apprpriate-fn dimwit!

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 07:16 | 6185705 Oldwood
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People who voted for Obama over Romney will never ever concede that Romney might have been the better (yet even still obviously flawed) choice.

My devil may be bad but he will always be better than yours.

There can be no real rational discussion because EVERYONE is biased.

I argued long and hard with my cousin over this. He was convinced to vote for a republican would ensure his children was be forced to serve in a war. I contended then and still do that an Obama administration would guarantee it as it would be democrats who reinstated the draft and forced service and further Obama approach would lead to our weakening and encouragement of foreign instabilities. I still stand by that.

Reagan was the cowboy that the democrats swore would lead us to nuclear holocaust, that he would instigate another world war. I will still support peace through strength, not through political and military interventionism.

None of these people or their ideologies are without significant flaws, but there are important if subtle differences that for millions can mean life or death. It is impossible for me to see Obama's strategies as anything but a failure bringing the world closer to hell.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:11 | 6183764 Kaiser Sousa
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sociopaths are not necessarily the smartest people...

they r often blinded by their inherent evil which prevents them from seeing their own destruction in pursuit of their agenda....

the U.S. is DOOMED of this there is no doubt...the question left is will they relent and bow down or take the world with them to HELL.

death to the MoneyChangers.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:51 | 6183937 bbq on whitehou...
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The company known as the US Government, is doomed. Not the land nor the people on it.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:00 | 6183982 Kaiser Sousa
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yeah ok....check the status why dont u of "the land" and the VAST MAJORITY of "the people"...

 

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 05:18 | 6185615 besnook
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sociopaths suffer from self delusion reinforced again and again by their sociopathy. unfortunately for mankind, sociopaths like other sociopaths as a form of narcissism. with their controlling nature they end up in leadership positions and employ a lot of other sociopaths.

the statement by the zionut in the shrub administration who claimed they make the history of their choice, not you, should have been a huge red flag warning to any informed person that usa.gov had been usurped by baker actable insane, totally self deluded sociopaths practicing psychopathy.

Thu, 06/11/2015 - 07:21 | 6185714 Oldwood
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There are plenty of sociopaths living in a neighborhood near you. They don't all graduate to leadership positions by a long shot. Some are content as managers at your local convenience store, or street thug. There is a little sociopathy in all of us, only requiring a little "nourishment" to bring it to bloom.

And self delusion is the mainstay of our economy. How else could we accept what we all know to be false?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:12 | 6183774 WTFUD
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Been saying Germany will crack and mutti is on double secret probation with business leaders.

Just wish Barry had an inkling for euro dissent but expect he's oblivious.

He's the kind of guy that subtleties are wasted on. You have to walk straight up to him and scream in those large noddy big ears:-

' Barry you fucking POS go fuck yourself and take all your spooks with you '

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:16 | 6183792 ted41776
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a preview of things to come

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZyxqu9oIDk

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:18 | 6183801 slicker
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If 90% of the people want peace and big money war, then WAR IT IS.  Deal.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:21 | 6183813 lasvegaspersona
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Why don't you and him fight?

....overheard in a bar....anywhere...

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:02 | 6183994 tenpanhandle
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Lets you and him fight.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:27 | 6183824 Kirk2NCC1701
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Imperialist/Revisionist Zionists would rather drag Europe, Russia, the BRICS and MENA down the tubes, than have to submit to the International Will for a "Just and Fair Settement with the Palestinians".

BDS (Boycots, Divestment and Sanctions) are taking hold, and Bibi's Likudists are fighting back with all might, leveraging their global network of Sayanim, AIPAC, US Neocons (Manifest Destiny types), etc.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/aipac-sponsored-fast-track-measures-on-behalf-of-israel-congressional-legislation-targets-bds-initiatives/5445917

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:24 | 6183825 Jack Daniels Esq
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A dysfunctional USG put a dumb black muslin in charge

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:43 | 6183902 European on my ...
European on my shoe Jimmy's picture

It's completely insane! Or wonderful engineering, the red necks can say 'put a nigger in the Oval Office and a woman in charge of the fed 'that's what you get!

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:43 | 6184129 Model T
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And strangely enough; they happen to be right; at least this time.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:35 | 6184087 WTFUD
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Barry's not a muslim, he's anything they want him to be, for the faux jew people. Can imagine peer pressure in Israel for speaking out. Same as in Ukraine where political killings are rife in Kiev. Would the real jews please come forward before it's too late?

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 17:42 | 6184124 Model T
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Dumb Black Muslim; rat her than muslin; he's good enough to follow orders of the oligarchy and he doesn't want this White Enterprise called the United States to succeed; of course; as should be obvious.

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:26 | 6183840 European on my ...
European on my shoe Jimmy's picture

I dispair, these fucks, 'elites'', will never release their ideas that they know best. My only consolation is I make money on there fuck up
Bring on the astroroid with multi war headed meteorites aimed at Washington, Moscow, Peking etc. let's start again, from the point of view that the 'mess the elites have created ' leads us to Armageddon

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:49 | 6183931 European on my ...
European on my shoe Jimmy's picture

Barry Obama and is ilk are just a figurehead, like our Cameron.
Where I live we are about to glorify 'Magna Carta' With the drive by of Lizzie and Barry. . Just priming the vest should I get a chance .

Wed, 06/10/2015 - 16:52 | 6183948 European on my ...
European on my shoe Jimmy's picture

If I get a visit from men in black, will realise that I'm not paranoid, but they are!

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