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Fuck this fool.
Raises GDP. See the economy is getting better!
Forced spending always does. In the short term.
There is no way Obama isn't a NWO-manufactured president. It can't be coincidence that we would have the worst president in the history of the country at exactly the worst possible time. There's no coincidence big enough to explain that.
LOL. Wait until we have a worster possible president at a worster possible time.
can it be possible....a monkey with a dart board would be better
If Shillery gets in you won't even remember this guy...
I still remember Obama being endorsed in Boston by Ted Kennedy the man with a brain tumor.
I couldn't decide if Obumnuts was a traiter, or just an idiot. Now, I can.
It's the second, and it's not even close... See Hanlon's razor
I just hope that all the idiots that voted for him get what they have coming to them.
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Obamacare was supposed to get rid of high deductible health insurance plans, plans with yearly deductibles of $5,000 or more. The type of junk plans Walmart gave its "associates." Instead, Obamacare gave everyone those type of plans.
they shoulda called it CorporatewelfareOcare..........
That was the intention. Now with everyone in an uproar, they can propose single payer and people will beg for it. Once all are in the holding pen, the real fun begins.
Miffed
It never ceases to amaze me, take a small issue (like premiums rising 3-5% a year due to currency destru...errrr, ummm inflation) and make it catastrophically worse, like the forecasted 20% next year on top of 10-30% already behind us since implementation and the sheeple will scream for help from the very people WHO DID IT TO THEM.
Yes, the real fun begins with wage controls, when the professionals tell them to pound sand and the kiddies straight out of med school are enticed to pay off their student debt with Farrrreeeee! vork ala Castro.
Time to think about private practice associations? ;-)
Yes, it has been obvious to me inflation, though effective, is certainly taking a bit too long. So, a la Lucy in the chocolate factory already beyond capacity, it's time to " Speed it up a little!"
I see no possible way to save this shitbag any more, it simply has to die under the weight of too many hands in the pot, ridiculous oppressive regulation and a decreasing number of people paying in. There is so much dissatisfaction being expressed and the good will exit. I wish I could.
Private professional practices are a good alternative. I, myself, am having surgery this July and am paying out of pocket to a private surgeon. He takes only cash or credit cards. Flat fee and everything but my home meds are covered. His OR fees are a fraction of the cost of surgery in a hospital.
This could be the wave of the future, however with this fascistic government, I doubt they will maintain their autonomy at some point in the future. Next step, regulating medical tourism.
Miffed
Have you considered self-surgery? We should do anything to avoid the horror of socialist medicine, you know: a universal single payer health care system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB7yNI0_FAY
Single payer health care never works out. Take for example the Marxist state of Vermont's plan for single payer health care.
Democratic Gov. Pete Shumlin killed the state's single payer health care plan because the final estimates indicated that the plan would have required the state to raise an extra $2.5 billion in revenue annually. This is in a state that typically only raises about $2.7 billion total each year. In other words, it would have cost nearly the amount that the entire rest of the state government cost—and that's presuming that those estimates were accurate, and that the one-of-a-kind program encountered no unexpected cost overruns.
http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/22/vermonts-single-payer-health-care-plan-f
Single-payer healthcare will work when the govt. sets the price for each reimbursement. Instead of charging $200 for an office visit, and ending up with $40 after all of the billing, discounting, fees and backdoor deals, etc., the provider bills the govt. and gets $40 within TWO WEEKS. There is no HMO, multi-level medical suppliers, and a dozen others that have their hands out for that $160 overage. That is how the single-payer system will work.
My spouse's recent hospital bill included $40/day for a procedure labeled as respiratory therapy. Since there weren't any breathing issues and no oxygen mask was used, I asked what that charge was for. The reply was that when the nurse read the pulse and BP, she also put a velcro-loop reader on my spouse's finger to measure the blood oxygen level. That 10-second procedure is worth $40 every day? Anybody can buy a blood oximetry reader for $50!
Because those are the only two choices. What happened to the progressive love of "diversity?"
I dont see Canadians voting with their feet en masse, and move here to the US over thier Medical coverage
No, actually some do move to the U.S. over their medical coverage. But more often they fly or drive to the U.S. for their health care when they will die in Canada waiting for government/politics based health care. As a recent example, please see the high level Canadian politician, Danny Williams, who recently flew to the U.S. for his surgery since the Canadian "health care" system wouldn't take care of him. Thankfully there are still semi-free market systems available to people to flee to as their political health care systems fail them.
Canadians can buy cheaper health care in SW Asia. Higher quality, too...
Even Harley Street private doctors in the UK are required to do two days a week for the NHS,
or lose their license.
Marxistcare for everyone
people dont have jobs so they arent going to pay. the gov can only pay with printed fiat. this shit wont last long......
“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what’s in it....” - Nana
"...cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year." - O'Barry
His idiots would follow him into hell.
And, we're there ....
The consuuuuumers will now have to plow all of the money they save from their affordable healthcare into higher Obamacare premiums. Fucking priceless......
After paying for affordable insurance I can no longer afford to actually see a doctor.
C'mon nmewn, he meant $2500 a month. Give the guy a break, he just 'misspoke' for chrissakes!'
The PURE SCHADENFREUDE of gettting into every liberal's face as they realize that Obamacare is going to consume their discretionary income and may even lead to their bankruptcy. And watch as the ywhine about restricted access to tests and real health care.
I will spit in your face as they roll you into hospice. You ignorance was the most expensive item in the United State's history.
Enjoy your pain pill.
I say it to people like that almost exactly as you laid it out. I don't even make much effort to smooth the sharp edges off of it. Like rubbing a dog's nose in the shit it just laid on the carpet.
B-B-B-but-but.....it was supposed to be OTHER people paying for our healthcare! Whhhhhhaaaaa!!!!!!
The Repugnicans completely screwed their constituency failing to block the Obamacare Tax Law, FATCA, illegal immigration, etc. The list goes on forever. Barry has definitely won many more battles then Repugnicans. Boner should be ashamed. How does he stay in office?
Apparently you haven't gotten the memos that appear here constantly: The Republicans and the Democrats are two sides of the same coin, and it's always heads they win/tails we lose...
Hastert was just the owners reminding them who they really work for, just before the TPA/TPP vote.
Funny how our boredom with the slow collapse is pushing us to embrace the Cloward Piven plan. Thinking back over the Sandy Hook tragedy I suspect that if Mittens had been in the assault weapon ban would have been a done deal. In as much as there is but one political class in Washington. At least with a Democrat in there is at least a modest push back from what is left of the right.
I am resolved to vote against every incumbent on the local and national level. If they give us no vote on the national level and force us to pick either a Bush or a Clinton I may very well vote for the greater evil. I am tired of the lessor of two evils bull shit. It is not like the appointed sock puppet runs the show anyway. What the deep state wants, the deep state gets right up until they micromanage the system into chaos. Then the control freaks lose control and run down the street like the rest of us with their hair on fire. The curtain is going up on Gotterdammerung.
Pay the fine at tax time. Find a doctor that hates Obama care and work out a deal. Paying cash lowers most medical bills at least 30%.
Don't forget to floss. LOL!
That was my plan, too, until I finally had had enough and left the country last year. It's not the same country in which I grew up...
Ditto, did same, my money goes three times further out of the USA.
That's what I do. Surgery Center of Oklahoma posts all surgery prices on line. It allows me to negotiate locally.
My personal doctor is independent-meaning he is not a slave to a giant "non profit" squid ordering ridiculous tests for every minor procedure.
Eat healthy, exercise, annual checkups, and keep your fingers crossed. That's my health plan.
Obamacare is Mickey Mouse shit compared to the good and proper buggering the vast majority of Americans are going to get at the hands of the TPP, if it passes...
Oh, it will pass. The ones opposing it now will find its benefits once the bribes start walking in the door.
Obama: Some folks aren't participating in our Ponzi Scheme. We might have to increase non-participation fines to $10,000 to increase conformist who refuse to fill the money swapping coffers.
SCOTUS, Obamacare is a tax and TPP will be ruled as the same peasants. Don't bother us with your complaints, ruling already stands.
/sarc
Collectivization is the gift that just keeps taking.
Its for the children
haha
this one s a keeper
and in the spirit of your quote, i m stealing it
Here in Idaho, insurance companies are asking for a premium increase of about 25% for 2016. Obocare strikes again!
http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/health/2015/06/03/health-insurance-idaho-...
The way I plan to save money on health insurance.
-Vitamins
-Self Medication
-Self Diagnosis
-Self Surgery (how hard could it be?)
O and not buying health insurance till im 45 ish.
No - One my age has health insurance unless they work at some sleazebag financial corporation in a cubicle, the cost of healthcare has risen so much that no normal sized small business will every buy it or provide it for their employees.
"O and not buying health insurance till im 45 ish."
I didn't have it until I had an obligation besides myself either. If it wasn't for my family I wouldn't have it now.
What are they going to do...throw me in jail and take me off the tax rolls?...lol.
I gave my employees healthcare and a pension plan.
The pension plan went first and then the healthcare plan.
But I did give them a substantial raise each time I had to drop a plan.
It saved me $ and made them happy.
The healthcare market was pretty fucked up but as a market, if prices got too high eventually people would simply stop buying, but with Obamacare, cost can rise to infinity as we are now forced to participate. I see no good way out of this. It has become part of the end game. It will only change when it all fails.
-Self Surgery (how hard could it be?)
Self-Surgery? Reminds me of Gregory House bleeding to death in his "aseptic surgical suite bathtub."
It is not the higher premiums, it is where the higher premiums are going.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
This is a good Ramirez cartoon. Its better than his regular neocon bullshit
absulutly brilliant system.
The TEA PARTY will help balance the books... and other fairy tales.
At least the TEA PARTY defunded all those wars you hear about.
/not
All economies are corrupt and as such have no means of self correction. Few are willing to sacrifice anything to escape the swirl of the drain.
Don't forget stock buy backs...they do those too and pay dividends....premiums have to rise to keep financing those...narrow networks save money that can be used for buy backs...quants that used to work for banks and HFT, working at health insurers now, finding every last penny of profit.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2014/12/insurance-carrier-stock-buy-backs.html
Keep a real close eye on the Humana deal and the $70 billion health insurers defrauded Medicare of...Humana has a big exposure here and watch out for United being ready to scoop up their licenses..they did it before a few years ago to Health Net. A deal like this could shift a ton of people over to United "underwritten" policies...just like Health Net in the Northeast. Today, those in the northeast who still have Health Net, really have policies under written by United Healthcare.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/06/with-humana-up-for-sale-whats-impact-of.html
It is inevitable in any government run health plan that the bureaucrats tweak and fiddle with the rules constantly. Of course the prices and deductibles will go up. Some hyper Liberal is going force the Obsmacare plans to cover same sex partners, more psychology services, more birth control, etc, etc. Every new thing they add raises your cost.
Obamacare is pure fraud just like Obama, sold to American's full of lies..
Don't forget Gruber who said >> Preying on “the stupidity of the American voter” was necessary to get the bill passed.
What have we done to stop any of this criminal insanity? That is exactly why there is no end in sight..
Uai!
The State basically has three functions:
1) Education;
2) Health;
3) Security.
Any of these functions that the state delegates gives shit.
1) Basic Education, Universities and other private thing are out to prove that there is chaos in education.
2) Do not need to talk much, Obamacare is there for all to see and (pay).
3) Safety is for internal people and never shed outside the state's boundaries. More than seven hundred bases outside the country is difficult to explain ...
hehe.
Democracy sounds like a good idea. But in practice is means that a bunch of greedy interest groups rig the system so the legislators pass laws forcing people to buy overpriced products and services. The defense complex pushes an aggressive foreign policy so naturally we need to buy lots of expensive weapons. The medico-pharma complex forces us to pay for super-expensive drugs and treatments that in many cases do more harm than good. The agro-complex pushes farm subsidies and also demands that lots of illegal immigrants be allowed in to serve as cheap labor. And among all those immigrants are criminals and fanatics who violently hate America, so naturally we need a massive law enforcement complex to try to keep them in check. And so on.
In short, the tyranny of the interest groups makes old King George look like a libertarian.
To function properly, it requires an intelligent poulace. Television destroyed what the public education system left standing.
that's why we have a republic-or used to.
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Old family saying “…Politicians and diapers should be changed often for the same reason…”
Just leaving this so someone who hasn't read 2000+ pages gets the word -
If you make over 48k and don't qualify for Bummercare subsidies, but less than 60k, most Bummercare plans are > 8% of your gross income and thus you are exempt from the individual mandate. See - no fine, no tax, no premium payment. Simple. You are now outside the health insurance/gov racket.
Now if you have an emergency and end up in the hospital...good luck.
As always in these current United States of Farce, it is best to own no assets that can be subject to judgment.
The new American Dream.
Maybe it is not about healthcare
Maybe it is about forcing everyone into a system
You know, full control by the population, no escape.
The beast system
The beast is about to be unleashed
American Pharaoh
http://www.alan.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/PharoahObama.jpg
I have to ask, is the handle a Neuromancer reference?
Oh Boy Another Massive Atrocity ...
Obamacare - just another facet of the debt-slave society. The health insurance industry was quick to get up front in the line of those garnishing your paycheck.