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Paul Ryan Channels Pelosi: "You Have To Pass ObamaTrade To See What’s In ObamaTrade"
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Chief Obamatrade proponent House Ways and Means Committee chairman Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) admitted during Congressional testimony on Wednesday evening that despite tons of claims from him and other Obamatrade supporters to the contrary, the process is highly secretive.
He also made a gaffe in his House Rules Committee testimony on par with former Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)’s push to pass Obamacare, in which she said infamously said: “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”
“It’s declassified and made public once it’s agreed to,” Ryan said of Obamatrade in Rules Committee testimony on Wednesday during questioning from Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX).
What Ryan is technically referring to is that TPP will become public if TPA is agreed to—but Congress will lose much of its ability to have oversight over and influence on the process, since TPP is, in many respects, already negotiated. It’s 800 pages long, and on fast-track, Congress will only get an up-or-down vote and won’t be able to offer amendments. The Senate vote threshold also drops down to a simple majority rather than normally having a 60-vote threshold, or in the case of treaties, a 67-vote threshold.
– From the Breitbart article: Paul Ryan’s Pelosi-Esque Obamatrade Moment: ‘It’s Declassified and Made Public Once it’s Agreed To’
If you still think that the establishment Republicans in Congress represent real opposition to President Obama’s policies, you’re either extremely brainwashed or extremely stupid.
Honestly, I don’t know what it will take for some people to wake up. How many times do you need to be used, abused and conned by slimy politicians before you can shake off your political Stockholm Syndrome? Does John Boehner need to drive up to your front door in a motorcade and eat your first born’s liver at the dinner table with your wife’s silverware before you get it? It’s pathetic.
The focus of today’s piece is the secretive corporatist giveaway known as the Trans Pacific Partnership, or TPP. I’ve written about this frequently as of late, see:
America’s Most Wanted Secret – Wikileaks is Raising $100K Reward for Leaked Drafts of the TPP
Julian Assange on the TPP – “Deal Isn’t About Trade, It’s About Corporate Control”
Trade Expert and TPP Whistleblower – “We Should Be Very Concerned about What’s Hidden in This Trade Deal”
As the Senate Prepares to Vote on “Fast Track,” Here’s a Quick Primer on the Dangers of the TPP
With the Senate having predictably passed Trade Promotion Authority, i.e., “fast track,” it now moves to the House of Representatives, where it is expected to be put to a vote tomorrow. Initially, many observers predicted fast track would have a harder time passing in the House, but fortunately for Obama, Republicans have never worked harder to push anything since the Iraq War. As I noted on Twitter earlier:
Don’t believe me. How about this headline from the Hill earlier today: GOP, Obama on Cusp of Fast-Track Trade Victory.
If that does’t tell you everything you need to know, I don’t know what will.
Here are a few excerpts from that piece:
House Republicans have set the stage for a high-stakes vote Friday to grant President Obama fast-track trade authority.
While objections from some Democrats on a last-minute deal related to the trade package raised some doubts about the outcome, Obama and the GOP appear poised to earn a significant victory.
White House press secretary Josh Earnest expressed confidence there would be a “bipartisan majority” behind the bill.
“Outbreaks of bipartisanship in the House of Representatives in the last couple of years have not been common, so that’s why I would not characterize it as a slam dunk,” he said.
Before you break out the champagne…
All that said, this isn’t really bipartisan. It’s all about the Republicans slobbering over themselves to push this sovereignty destroying “trade” agreement into law.
In case you still harbor any doubts as to how seriously Republican leadership is taking this whole debate, Paul Ryan made it abundantly clear when he slipped up and channeled Nancy Pelosi the other day. Breitbart reports that:
Chief Obamatrade proponent House Ways and Means Committee chairman Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) admitted during Congressional testimony on Wednesday evening that despite tons of claims from him and other Obamatrade supporters to the contrary, the process is highly secretive.
He also made a gaffe in his House Rules Committee testimony on par with former Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)’s push to pass Obamacare, in which she said infamously said: “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”
“It’s declassified and made public once it’s agreed to,” Ryan said of Obamatrade in Rules Committee testimony on Wednesday during questioning from Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX).
What Ryan is trying to convince House Republicans to do is vote for Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) which would fast-track at least three highly secretive trade deals—specifically the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP), the Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA), and the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (T-TIP)—and potentially more deals.
Right now, TiSA and T-TIP text are completely secretive and unavailable for even members of Congress to read while TPP text is available for members to review—although they need to go to a secret room inside the Capitol where only members of Congress and certain staffers high-level security clearances, who can only go when members are present, can read the bill.
Ryan’s exchange in which he made this gaffe came as Burgess, who opposes Obamatrade, and Rules Committee chairman Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), who stands with Ryan supporting it, were discussing the secrecy of the deal with him. It came right after an incredible exchange where Ryan attempted a ploy to try to save immigration provisions contained within the Obamatrade package as a whole—specifically TiSA—that were exposed by Breitbart News earlier on Wednesday, a problem for which he put forward a phony non-solution designed to get more votes for his Obamatrade agenda but not stop the immigration provisions.
Immigration provisions? What? Yep, you read that right. More on this later.
“And I appreciate all of that but again, you read through this language down in the secret room and I welcome the day when people can read it—“ Burgess said, before Ryan cut him off.
“By the way, TPA—it’s declassified and made public once it’s agreed to,” Ryan said.
You really can’t make this stuff up. So conservative of you Mr. Ryan.
What Ryan is technically referring to is that TPP will become public if TPA is agreed to—but Congress will lose much of its ability to have oversight over and influence on the process, since TPP is, in many respects, already negotiated. It’s 800 pages long, and on fast-track, Congress will only get an up-or-down vote and won’t be able to offer amendments. The Senate vote threshold also drops down to a simple majority rather than normally having a 60-vote threshold, or in the case of treaties, a 67-vote threshold.
Sessions then jumped in to say he and Ryan are available to answer any questions about this matter whenever anyone wants—yet Sessions’ committee staff is publicly refusing to answer any detailed questions from Breitbart News on Obamatrade at this time.
Burgess noted how the process seeking fast-track in the Bush administration was much more transparent than it is now.
“Thank you Mr. Chairman. I promised to be on my best behavior today and I am really trying—it took a long time for me to even be able to see the agreement down in the secret room even though I was willing to sign the release that said I wouldn’t talk about it. It took me a long time to get an audience with the U.S. Trade Representative,” Burgess said. “It should not have done that. Ten years ago we did CAFTA [Central American Free Trade Agreement], Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH) was in my office—he lived there. I couldn’t get rid of him.
“This time, I couldn’t get a—it was an act of Congress literally to get him to come and talk to my subcommittee on Energy and Commerce, which is the subcommittee of Commerce, Manufacturing and Trade.
By “him,” he seems to be referring to top U.S. Trade Representative, Michael Froman. In case you aren’t familiar with him, see: How Obama’s Top Trade Representative, Michael Froman, Received Millions from Citigroup During the Financial Crisis.
Ryan then interrupted Burgess again to argue that his concerns over the secrecy are why Republicans should relent and support Obamatrade.
Um, ok. Meanwhile, it appears Mr. Ryan is going out of his way to grant Obama increased immigration powers. Also from Breitbart:
In the wake of revelations that technically a vote for Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) would be a vote to grant the executive branch massively-expanded immigration powers, the Washington establishment cooked up an elaborate ruse to try to save the flailing Obamatrade bill.
Earlier on Wednesday, leading up to the House Rules Committee hearing where chairman Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX) is teaming up with House Ways and Means Committee chairman Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), Breitbart News exposed the expansive immigration provisions inside the Obamatrade package. Specifically, secret Obamatrade documents leaked to Wikileaks show that there are provisions contained within draft Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA) text that would massively expand President Obama’s immigration authority when it comes to immigration matters.“The existence of these ten pages on immigration in the Trade and Services Agreement make it absolutely clear in my mind that the administration is negotiating immigration – and for them to say they are not – they have a lot of explaining to do based on the actual text in this agreement,” NumbersUSA director of government relations Rosemary Jenks told Breitbart News.
Well then.
“I understand the concerns you have expressed about including in U.S. free trade agreements any provisions related to U.S. immigration laws, particularly any provision obligating the United States to grant access or expand access to visas issued under section 101(a)(15) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(15)),” Ryan wrote to King about the agreement to put forward the King amendment. “In acknowledgement of these concerns, I would like to convey that when the Trade Facilitation and Enforcement Act of 2015 is considered in the House, I intend to seek adoption of the text of Senate Amendment 1385, offered by Senator Hatch and Senator Cruz when the Bipartisan Congressional Trade Priorities and Accountability Act was considered by the Senate last month, as well as the language you propose in your letter, to ensure that trade agreements do not require changes to U.S. immigration laws.”
What Ryan is saying here — in response to concerns King raised about immigration provisions in trade agreements being fast-tracked under TPA in a previous letter to Ryan — is that Ryan will include an amendment in future legislation, not the current TPA. That means that the current TPA, if it passes the House, would still allow the immigration provisions to move forward. It also means the U.S. Senate could reject the amendment on the future legislation — which it probably will — and that if the Senate somehow does pass the legislation, Obama could veto it.
That didn’t stop King from claiming — inaccurately — in a press release that this compromise with Ryan would fix the issue.
Glyn Wright, the executive director of Eagle Forum, told Breitbart News in an email that this whole ruse wouldn’t fix anything:
“Although American voters gave Republicans the majority in Congress to stop Obama, Republican Leadership is desperate to accomplish his top priority — the Trans-Pacific Partnership. There are a variety of concerns with the process and the policy of Trade Promotion Authority (TPA), and Leadership is currently twisting arms and making promises in a desperate attempt to limit defections of conservative Members who have legitimate concerns. Unfortunately, several Members have traded their votes for meaningless, pie-in-the-sky promises on issues like immigration, currency manipulation, anti-dumping provisions. These are legitimate issues that should be addressed in the actual text of TPA with enforceable provisions, not currently included in TPA. Instead, Chairman Ryan is promising that their concerns will be addressed in a future customs bill — the Trade Facilitation and Trade Enforcement Act. The customs bill is completely separate from TPA, and even if these concerns are addressed, it will be conferenced with the Senate where conservatives are unlikely to win. Furthermore, there is no guarantee that President Obama will sign the customs bill, even if it passes the House and the Senate. These promises will only serve to garner TPA enough votes; they will not affect the final agreement. Pew Research Center recently released a poll stating 75 percent of the Republican-leaning public want Republicans in Congress to challenge Obama more often. Instead, Republican Leadership is intent on running roughshod over conservative principles to achieve President Obama’s top priority in the name of free trade.”
Cruz, of course, has previously praised this amendment that didn’t really fix the problem back in the Senate side of things. In fact, Cruz’s office—now several weeks later—still hasn’t answered detailed questions about the amendment from Breitbart News. But he did issue a statement supportive of it.
Ah Ted Cruz, the biggest sham corporatist masquerading as a “libertarian” in Congress.
Of course, everything Ryan said — as Glyn Wright of Eagle Forum noted previously — was untrue. But more importantly, all the politicians in Washington were happy as as Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX) wrapped that segment of the Rules Committee hearing by saying Ryan has done “an outstanding job” putting together phony fixes to real problems.
Pete Sessions’ office, despite a claim during the hearing from the chairman that he would be transparent about this matter, has explicitly refused to answer questions from Breitbart News about this matter. Cruz’s team hasn’t responded to a request for comment on record either.
While all of this is certainly depressing, I want to end this piece on a positive note. Political change is notoriously slow, but it is happening. For evidence, see the following excerpts from a Wall Street Journal article published today:
Tea party activists, labor unions both say Obama’s trade agenda is undemocratic and secretive.
Some of the fiercest opponents of President Barack Obama’s trade policy on the left and right are sending notably similar messages in a bid to kill legislation in the House designed to expedite a major Pacific trade deal.
With a deciding vote set for Friday, unions and progressive groups are emphasizing arguments that also appeal to conservative organizations, accusing the Obama administration of undue secrecy, stretching the limits of executive power and undermining U.S. sovereignty.
“There are some areas where the guys on the left—unions and others—get it right, and this is one of those issues,” said Judson Phillips,head of Tea Party Nation, one of the main tea party organizations.
But liberal and conservative groups are targeting a specific arbitration feature of the TPP known as investor-state dispute settlement, which allows investors from one country to sue foreign governments in an international arbitration panel rather than in national courts. The administration points out that the U.S. has never lost a case in the decades-old arbitration system, but lawmakers ranging from Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.) to Sen. Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.) have warned the measure could undermine U.S. laws.
The obscure legal provision helped bring together perhaps the biggest foe of Mr. Obama’s trade policy— Lori Wallach of the nonprofit group Public Citizen—with Mr. Phillips of Tea Party Nation.
The two met at the Washington studios of Russian state television network RT, recognized a shared legal background and point of view, chatted later at a Starbucks, and appeared together at the debut of Ralph Nader’s book “Unstoppable: The Emerging Left-Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State.”
"Lori is probably the polar opposite from me, at least politically, and yet it’s very interesting the number of issues she and I agree on,” Mr. Phillips said.
While these two working together is great, the fact one of them would still say the other is “the polar opposite from me, at least politically, and yet it’s very interesting the number of issues she and I agree on,” shows you how deep the propaganda and brainwashing runs. Judson Phillips still thinks some meaningless, outdated brand such as “Republican” or “Democrat” means something. It doesn’t. If you agree on a lot of issues, then you aren’t polar opposites politically. Stop believing the hype and come together for real. Let’s not forget:
An entirely new political movement is being born, these things just take a long time to catch fire. Nothing that is done can’t be reversed, after all, look at what politicians did to the Constitution. If you’re still in doubt, see:
A Libertarian-Liberal Alliance Forms to Tackle Criminal Justice Reform
Thoughts on Election Day: Relax—Both Parties Are Going Extinct
#StandwithRand: The Filibuster that United Libertarian and Progressive Activists
Former Aide to Bill Clinton Speaks – “My Party Has Lost its Soul”
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Secret trade deals, secret courts, secret trials, secret detention centers. Sounds like a Constitutional Republic to me.......
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This list from Open Secrets reveals Paul Ryan's masters. The Finance, Insurance and Real Estate industries have contributed a major portion of his campaign contributions. Big Pharma is also well represented.
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=Career&cid=...
In my entire adult lifetime I've never seen the two main political parties so closely in agreement with eachother as they are now.
This is amazing when you consider that everyone is screaming about how "polarized" everything is in DC. It is in no way polarized. They simply aren't going to take up any issue that doesn't directly relate to bringing about the NWO. When those issues come up, suddenly there is bipartisanship in abundance.
Secret trade deals that undermine our sovereignty? Yes, please. Reinstate the Patriot Act? Oh, absolutely- that'll be useful later. Obamacare in jeopardy of being overturned by the Judicial branch? No, problem, the Rs have bills already cued up to put it back into effect in case that happens, even though they were (allegedly) violently opposed to its passage in the first place.
Everything else they bicker and fight over like a bunch of old women, in their best Kabuki-theatre-style. And only because they each want to be in charge of those newly self-granted powers, not because any of them give a shit about the nation.
this whole party system is one big Kabuki theatre from the start.
We are at the end game, so they don't need to pretend.
You are correct. For example, since 1990 the total dollars to all candidates in Congress contributed by the FIRE industries has been $2,131,628,813. Of that total, 56% has gone to Republicans and 43% has gone to Democrats. However, FIRE has donated to more Dems than Repubs, 2990 to 2889 members, a statistical dead heat. The average contribution to Repubs has been a bit higher.
The bottom line is most all members of Congress are owned, and it does not matter if they are Democrats or Republicans. They are all crony whores within a false narrative system of divide and rule.
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?cycle=All&ind=F
The American worker is getting raped again to make the 1% even richer? What a shock. That Karl Marx was a real idiot.
Do those big corps sell lampposts and/or guillotines? Oh they're going to need some rope too.
Tyranny.
High crimes in government.
and funny, did ya notice: they demand
TRANSPARENCY AND PROCEDURAL FAIRNESSin their papers (see https://wikileaks.org/tpp/healthcare/)
Yeah, I think it's high time to start investing in rope...
good post.
Agreed, fantastic work! Kudos, Mike!
This particular piece he links to is quite educational for those who haven't been following the issues closely:
http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/05/12/as-the-senate-prepares-to-vote-o...
Too bad ZH paid so very little attention to this until fairly recently. It took a long time for it to reach this point and it has been no secret on either the falsely distinguished yet tragically separated "left" or "right" sides of the spectrum.
Is the hot tub getting warmer?
Good morning Mr.Frog ;-)
They . . . are All whores.
They don't give a damn about you.
They don't give a damn about the concept of America that was in a few people's mind & hearts (very briefly) in the 1770s. That vision was buried long ago and replaced by a con game. Theyve been using that con as a cover to steal and kill for a very long time.
First there is a Mission,
And then its turned into a business,
And finally it devolves into a racket.
Its been a racket for a long time, its just that most people havent recognized that.
I hope we live long enough to see Paul Ryan and the rest of the traitors stood up in front of a brick wall and shot by their NWO betters. Yes, I realize they will more likely behead him but all the same, I really want to see the look on his face when he realizes it really is going to be HIS brains splattered on the wall, not just everyone else's.
Just another page in the book of useful idiots.
A little message....from Johnny Cash.
Go tell that silver tongued liar politician....before it's to late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJlN9jdQFSc
America is no longer a sovereign nation, but instead operating under ZWO control.
The authority granted in “Trade Promotion Authority” is authority transferred from Congress to the Executive and, ultimately, to international bureaucrats.
The entire purpose of fast-track is for Congress to surrender its power to the Executive for six years.
Legislative concessions include: control over the content of legislation, the power to fully consider that legislation on the floor, the power to keep debate open until Senate cloture is invoked, and the constitutional requirement that treaties receive a two-thirds vote. Legislation cannot even be amended.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/11/jeff-sessions-issues-...
Please Guy Fawkes this time!.
Every year I like to celebrate the burning of Washington DC. The 4th of July is for patsies. Don't be a patsy. Be a patriot. Happy August 24th!
Orwell's spinning in his grave. No sane person would vote for something affecting him or her not knowing anything about what that vote is for.
DavidC
I agree. It is surreal.
Dupe. My bad.
Your best friend's ex-wife makes $75/hr ON HER KNEES (I know this is a paid AD, I'm just having fun).
FUCK YOU ROLLING THUNDER YOU CUNT
this is a very important article exemplifying the degree to which your democracy has been overthrown, and all you fucking do is ply your self interest by your predation of others self interest
"all you fucking do is ply your self interest by your predation of others self interest"
Inadvertently describing a congresscritter - well done!
"Secret trade deals, secret courts, secret trials, secret detention centers. Sounds like a Constitutional Republic to me....... "
Rome had insane dictatorial cabals of inbreds running the bureaucracies, horses in the Senate, and spectacles of human sacrific at a particular low point, too...
It's normal right? You have to pass motion before you can see what's in the shit isn't it?
You have to pass gas before you know how shitty it smells.
Anything "secret" voted on denies representation to We the People
In the absence of representation, our "representatives" have thus been derelict and that vote nullifies itself in that dereliction
If there is any shred of integrity left, the only thing Congress should pass should be an impeachment and a sedition charge against all those involved in this thing. One can dream.
Now you know why the crony capitalist Mitt Romney picked him as his running mate.
Fascist birds of a feather.
If you like your Trade Agreement you can keep it
This is the way the public are still duped today into believing that because two groups oppose each other in public they must be on different sides. If you want to control the outcome of a game, you have to control both sides, but to get away with this you must fool the people into believing that the two sides have different masters and goals. One of the most effective methods of manipulation by the Tribe is to create or infiltrate all sides and so control the outcome.
TEXT STILL HIDDEN IN CAPITOL BASEMENT
Paul Ryan Cornered: Claims Obamatrade More Transparent Than Iran Deal Even Though Text Still Hidden In Capitol Basement
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."
-Vladimir Lenin
these are not laws of nature........
how can a fucking trade agreement be secret? just what the fuck are these ass-holes up to any way?
I couldn't agree with you more. There's little more terrifying or absurd as such a sprawling, yet clandestine trade agreement. Which tells you everything you need to know about how this ball has been run since the time of the pharos. If you hear about it in the news, it's a fantasy. Our reality is shaped, our fates are sealed by anonymous swine behind closed doors. We Zhedgemites should band together and start a guillotine manufacturers’ guild. Business will be brisk.
A thorough yet quick orientation:
http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/05/12/as-the-senate-prepares-to-vote-o...
Selling us down the river.
Anything "secret" voted on denies representation to We the People
In the absence of representation, our "representatives" have thus been derelict and that vote nullifies itself in that dereliction
This kind of shit will always be with us. There is a tendency towards it I have to figure. Inborn. All we can hope to do is slow it down and derail it for a while. Only when the accounting does not match the physical carrying capacity of the planet will this shit get wiped out hard. Supply line break downs.
Hunker down. Resist in place. It is going to have to get bad, to change. The change is going to be overwhelming. Most of us won't make it.
Its going to be a hell of a ride baby, but do take solace in the fact that many of Paul Ryans type won't make it either.
I saw an article on ZH recently that ended with the fully true conclusion that this legislation will cement Obola's legacy (in an honest history, that is) as the most evil man who ever lived . . . delivering the entire planet to transnational corporate domination. Did you see that? I can't remember title or author . . .
What a travesty
They are nothing more than errand boys for big biz, and the sad part is 90% of the public could care less that we our losing this country.
Meanwhile, they are trying to pass a law to prevent Kyle Bass from carrying out his patent review strategy.
We are living in Atlas Shrugged.
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/06/kyle-bass-patent-review-strategy/
They do this because they know they can. Do this shit locally, someone dies. No way do they have a secret agreement like this in my city council. The center needs to be blown to hell. Empire will fall.
On a long enough time line...
Exactamundo.
Have you ever noticed that people who are in the machine, either the instruments of power, like FBI, our other nonviolent agents, are like ghosts at a personal level? Their center is gone, outside themselves; they're frozen, unable to respond to life with vitality, with real life.
Hmm. A very astute observation, Bastiat. I have also noticed this. They are very much without any meaningful substance.
As my pal Yoda once said, "Exceedingly disconcerting, it is." Well, actually, I'm lying. He didn't say that at all. But he fuckin' should have! ;)
This explains why President Obama started to look so relaxed after the House went solidly Repblican and the Senate just managed to swing that way. These bills suit the Republican establishment just fine. In a couple of years, he will pick up where Bill Clinton left off on the $500,000 per speech network, just as Bill has to go into the Lincoln Bedroom at the Whitehouse.
Jeezus, do they have enough fucking silverware in that place for another clinton visit?
Paul Ryan can forget any thoughts of ever becoming president. We don't need any more puppet dick-taters in the Whitehouse.
??? why are you thinking that you will have elections?
Maybe the TPP allows the corporations to suspend elections.
We TPP'ed some folks.
If the corporations have so much power .... why do they have to lobby .... for favorable legislation .... answer .... because, the government has THE power .... that's for all the wannabee Michael Moores !
Monetas - Exactly. Government is the only entity with the power of sanctioned violence. They have the guns, they have the power. The merchant class throughout history will always attempt to curry favor to exempt themselves from laws and bribe politicians to pass laws to block competition.
I had a lengthy debate with an employee that argues it is all the corporations and that government needs more empowerment. The US government controls the biggest military and intelligence complexes that ever existed on the planet which politicians control. How much more empowerment is needed?
He argues it is all the fault of capitalism and favors socialism. Demonstrating how government sets up trade deals overseas or destabilizes them THEN the corporations waltz in falls on dead ears.
He claims my ideology is fixed and I watch too much Fox News, resorting to an insult when logic boxed him in (I hate Fox news).
His feeling is that Republicans are hardcore fascist and Democrats are fascist-lite so support this party where my argument it is supporting the choice between Coke or Pepsi.
if its Government that is all powerful to you two, then please explain the Federal Reserve.
I phrase it: Democrat vs Republican is voting whether you want a Coke or Pepsi with your thieving traitorous shit sandwich of a government.
Ryan really shed whatever is left of his 'Nice Guy Next Door' public image here. He now nakedly appears to be just another power-craving sociopath.
Ha, did you ever think that little snot nosed prick was any sort of statesman? Fuck, he's nothing but a piece of shit from the gitgo.
He played the I'm a Champion of Liberty game when he was working his way up and into the national scene, just like Rubio, but they both eventually showed their hands...
nothing but a house of cards. i watch as the budget grows. medical coasts will undo this country. with 50 percent of the country aging, unhealthy and poor, i ask how and who will pay as medical costs sky rocket. at some point, people will die because they are so unhealthy and the dollar is on it's own deathbed. but we must ramp the military. and then there is social security, another program spiraling out of control. ramp the military. not to mention the nations infastructure is crumbling. ok, enough doom shit. all good comrades, carry on, smile and be a good party supporter. this has become beyond a fucking joke. a fucking puke wad from my throat-a gobber spit in our face. when will the masses say enough? when it is too late...
Easy to miss the fact Paul Ryan, like Pelosis, is bowing to the throne of power within the fake Christian religion known as Roman Catholicism (RCC). Ryan, Pelosi, John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Athony Scalia, et al are not Jews. They are RCC. Notice what they are not - joos.
Those who see the joos as masters of our domain are usually butt-hurt if anyone blames someone else (why is that?) for our troubles. God judged the Jews as a nation long ago for their failure to recognize the Messiah. That nation was destroyed and the Word was brought to the gentiles. The only nation of Israel that will ever be again is the biblical Israel which is the nation of believers in Jesus Christ. The new, biblical Israel, that DOESN'T exists as a country, is "populated" by anyone who believes. Not based on genetics, GPS coords, nose shape - ONLY faith. The country of Israel today is a Satanic facade. The inhabitants long ago, as right now TODAY, rejected the Messiah. They wanted a destroying King, full of retribution, not love and forgiveness. FWIW.
The satanic kingdom on this planet, the whore of Babylon if you will, is the RCC. They run the whole thing. Honest conclusion - not picking on anyone because of their team jersey. Always a chance I got ahold of some bad fajitas and started talking crazy.
When they come for me, I'm blamin' that month old rotisserie chicken carcass in the fridge I keep forgetting to throw out.
There is no Magic Sky Daddy. Take your meds and go to the dayroom and talk to the other patients.
There is no Magic Sky Daddy
You are attempting to divert the conversation from the TPP with this Red Herring.
That is a good Troll tactic but completely transparent.
Your bosses will lose even if they win the vote.
Ever seen what Thermite does to a car?
Watch...
https://youtu.be/rdCsbZf1_Ng?t=2m8s
Imagine that set upon Gas Meters...
A libertarian liberal alliance? That sounded good in 2008, but then the "antiwar" liberals disappeared. Now suddenly as we approach an election year they're back and want to pretend they're relevant?
OWS and the Tea Party were forcefully co-opted by the appropriate party's radicals giving both the kiss of death and marginalizing any attempt at real reform.
I'm unconvinced of the thin veneer of friendliness the establishment parties adopt when they want something.
Genuine anger, legitimate protest - coopted and controlled for a greater good now. Those former grass root guys are corporations now. For our safety. To protect us from those who hate us for our freedoms.
Wake up - stop watching TV, stop watching your phone. Media is a tool to propogandize and indoctrinate.
If voting changed anything, it would be illegal.
Partisan politics, along with sports, video games and TV, are the bread and circuses of today. Avoid all of them and have a life.
I don't think things were much different in 1980. Certainly there is not much the Republicans in the 1970's can list in the 'good' column. It took a strong President with excellent communication skills, and a firm agenda to reduce government to (temporarily) turn things around. Congress is a bought out waste, and the few good Congressmen are way outnumbered and outvoted. The only hope is another strong President emerges from the pack, and whips both parties to reform. Not likely!
Jose,
I hold out some small hope that Jim Webb, Rand Paul, and maybe Scott Walker could be that strong president. I have absolutely no use for the rest of those scumbags.
As a old Ron Paul guy, I see problems now that I didn't see in 2008. FWIW no warranties, I'm a dumbass just like everyone else on this shit show knwn as ZH/ABC Media.
http://redefininggod.com/2015/06/globalist-agenda-watch-2015-update-32-t...
Crawdaddy,
Thanks for the link. I took a quick look and added to my favorites to check our later. Looks interesting and from a perspective I am pretty darn comfortable with. I see a little bit of Rense.com type material, too, which is fine. I like Rense. I enjoy Rense once in awhile, maybe even because of the Weekly World News leaning sensationalism. I can handle very little of Infowars, and thankfully, it is not styled like Infowars. The Ukraine section needs updating, but there are many other specialized sources for that.
As a student of the global shit show, I have delved into many paradigms that seek to explain it all. Who creates our money? Laws? Education? Morality?
The paradigm I decided is real may not be everyone's cup'o tea. Big deal. Not new. The "proove it" science based ideology may not lead everyone to God as it led me.
I sought proof and the answers led me to my belief system. I am learning to avoid judging others because the harshest standard I use to judge others will ultimatey be applied to me. Working on that for sure. No where near mission accomplished. Still want Henry Kissenger to boil in magma. Not Christian thinking. Sue me..
Take comfort in the words from Jesus in Mark 9:48.
We do not need to pass judgement, though thats our natural desire, knowing that there is One who will not let these liars who follow the prince of this world slip by.
Always enjoy your comments by the way.
Obama once said in a speech, "We are the change we've been waiting for."
Everyone on ZH needs to internalize this and stop looking for leaders in DC.
I agree with you, but why can't the two ideas co-exist? All my eggs are not in one basket. I will not drop out and allow an FSA parasite or an illegal alien to co-opt my tiny influence by allowing them to stand in my stead. I have some small faith in my fellow Americans that this great American experiment can be salvaged. If not salvagable, a prudent person would always have an alternative.
Instead of dropping out, I challenge you to work within the system to choose the lesser of evils even as you make other preparations.
Maybe not you, but I am certain that many do absolutely nothing while rationalizing and employing the fallacy of catastrophic expectations to justify sitting on their hands when Hannibal is at the gates.
Kirk has lectured the do-nothing doom and gloomers many times that I have seen. If you are actually doing something, more power to you! If you are advocating dropping out and doing nothing, I have far more respect for someone who calls their congressperson, writes letters to the editor, and votes for the lesser of evils and possibly tries to open the eyes of family, friends, and neighbors.
reread the Declaration of Independence.
"choose the lesser of evils"
It is that type of thinking that got us in the shit show we are in today. What was the quote by Einstein? We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking used to create them? Something like that anyways...
I was once convinced that no one with any character could win a nomination. Maybe still am. The controlled media will choose the nominees and it won't be anyone I could vote for. Likely, I will write in Buchanan or Paul again.
A "strong president" would be JFK'd before he can take the oath of office. Until and unless the sheep turn off the TV, rise up and party like it's 1789....we're just fucked.
So long as everyone accepts the premise of passing trade treaties and other legislative bills before they can be read makes this entire conversation moot.
Accepting tyranny, fraud and treason is not the path to liberty in a supposed free society.
Tear off the "I love Ayn Rand and I give out Atlas Shrugged books to everyone" veneer and you see Paul Ryan for the true statist he really is.
Two words: Open Loop
When the sociopaths lock everybody up they will kill each other. I'm going to college while I wait.
So the NAFTA trade agreement worked out so well for the US, we figured that....
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/bad-idea-jeans/n9937
So when does Paul Ryan annouce he's switched parties and became a democrat? Republicrats.
They should just do away with the two party system and just have us vote people into office from a maximum security prison line up.
Couldn't be any worse.
That dude that flew that gyrocopter had a message. But nobody cares.
Quit believing the BIG LIE. Voting for pre-selected Bilderberg-tapped fake-Os will not change anything. the system is corrupt and broken. Continuing to believe that it will be fixed by the next plug-in is delusional.
I'm for a constitutional reset. Its like when you can't stand your girlfriend any more but don't break up because, "we've had such great times together, I don't want it to have been all wasted time": It wasn't wasted time. It was good for a while but it aint no more.
All of the illegal laws, all of the corporat giveaways and loopholes, all of the socialist giveaways have got to be stopped. All foreing entanglements must be stopped adn focus needs to be turned to the US. Close the borders, wish them all luck and then look out!
I very much agree with the concept of a Constitutional reset, and am all in favor of it. I think it should happen once every generation, say, every seventy years. Every generation has an opportunity to "fix" themselves. The Federal government would automatically revert in size and scope to only the powers enumerated in the Constitution at the time of the original Founding Fathers signing.
All Federal laws, regulations, treaties, trade agreements, agencies, departments, etc., become null and void, and would have to be renewed, one at a time, based on practical value / merits.
The State Governments all have Sheriff Departments and State police, National Guard, etc., to provide continuity during the reset.
Paul Ryan is nothing but a Globalist Gopher and a traitor. How a plastic turd like Paul Ryan could even get 'elected' baffles the hell out of me... kinda of... then again, the CIA is running all the major media coverage of the elections.. but the public should know better by now.
GOP scum get elected because Dem scum demonize whites and drive them into the arms of the GOP.
what difference does it make if the president has more immigration power at this point? its like we dont have any borders anyway. they get to vote, jobs, welfare, no deportation, schooling, etc. not enough?
We need to kill all these "let's make laws in secret" fuuckkers stat.
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LOOK AT MY THUMB....
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gee, you're dumb....
Another fraud brought to you by the toothless, useless TEA PARTY.
The Republicans and Democrats are one in the same.
Sell out, traitorous, whores. Every last one of them.
For those who still think their vote matters, you are really attempting to pick the lesser of two evils.
Sad days for Amerika.
JAGS: Just another globilization scam. Guest workers will soon be living in YOUR home, my friend. Enjoy.
I'll paraphrase (again): If you like your servitude, you can keep your servitude.
the persistent arms of the Shadow Government ...that fucking standing presidents told us about.. not tin foil hat or conspiracy blogs.. FUCKING PRESIDENTS TOLD US... Wilson, Eisenhower, Kennedy, etc.. the persistence of that power.. is the NSA, CIA, etc...
those arms don't change, that real power doesn't change, it doesn't give a shit which fake D or fake R is in majority, or in the WH
they manage any new comers. no rogues. no leaders. even ZH seems to forget that.. at least that's the apparent editorial spin of a few of the Tyler's
"Obummer's gonna do this" or "Obummer's gonna do that.."
lolwut?
obummer is a useless sockpuppet. just like bush, clinton, etc.
no person is allowed to endure if they even try s single thing. strong leadership? dafuq?
the shadow gov does not allow such
personalities have exactly ZERO meaning or impact.
P < P + I
At U.S.A. street-level the power of government is flexed by run-of-the-mill bureaucrats--millions of them--unionized, organized, lock-stepped. The biggest labor constituency under the AFLCIO umbrella? AFSCME: American Federation of State County & Municipal Employees. AFSCME does not include hundreds of other small well organized government employee constituencies all of whom pay their dues to fund elections of people friendly to Big Labor in Big Government. Big Labor began taking over Big Government in 1962 when JFK issued ExecOrder #10988 allowing the U.S. Civil Service to organize & bargain collectively. I have not yet discovered which union the grunt-work NSA employees must join but I'd bet hard money AFLCIO president Richard Trumka can get information from NSA with a back-channel phone call. Any "government" shadow or not needs a compliant bureaucracy to do its bidding.
Yes, big labor is the one behind these job exporting treaties. In other news, 2 + 2 = chair and the sky is made of tomato soup.
This circus of Legislative, Executive & Judical corruption reminds me of a 1973 pop-song: 'Karn Evil 9, 3rd Impression' by Emerson, Lake & Palmer: "...No computer stands in my way // Only blood can cancel my pain // Guardians of a new clear dawn // Let the maps of war be drawn..."
Present U.S. government personnel--elected, appointed or otherwise governmentally employed--are behaving in the same fashion as English King George's government of 1776.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/
Karn Evil 9 lyrics: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/emersonlakepalmer/karnevil9.html
Who wrote these "pacts"? Much like Obamacare, we cant find out who wrote these proposals. Lobbyists perhaps?
And the "visa" issue...already, overstayed visas are unpoliced....they do not track down those who overstay......
Perhaps this is part of why college grads cant get jobs.....they are filled by foreigners overstaying and working for less....to the delight of the corporations.
And why does a "free trade" bill have so many pages? Which groups benefit and which are hurt?
Curious that Obama suggested legislation creation be open, on CSPAN, and now has hidden the entire process even from Congress.
Paul Ryan = moron
Remember Lawyers protect and benefit each other first regardless of party affiliation..The Politicians are Lawyers...That's right 50-55% of The House and Senate are Lawyers/Trial Lawyers....This is a fact, look it up yourself..... New laws means litigation, Litigation means big money for the connected Law firms. Regulation = Litigation.. How many Lawyers have went to jail? John Corzine, where is he....The Law profession is corrupt and the only profession not regulated....imagine that.....
CAVEAT EMPTOR:
Never lost a case? Let's be honest: Never contested a case.
Here is a list of WTO cases.
https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_status_e.htm
Search the list for 'United States'. Note that early cases in which the US was respondent, the US simply "[Implemented] the recommendations of the DSB", which is to say, "accepted the ruling uncontested." There is no "winner" or "loser".
There are only rulings and implementations. "Win" and "Lose" are not part of that and are irrelevant.
Let the administration tell us it has never implemented a ruling against the US people, as handed down by a secret "international" panel of judges!
I guess the good news is all the years I've spent practicing to shoot blue helmets at 500 yards will not have been in vain.
Pelosi wanted a vote on something congress couldn't read. TPA is just trade authority. Its NOT the trade bill. TPA is just a strict requirment of an up or down vote on the eventual TPP bill. The trade bill is TPP and its not being voted on till voters get 60 days to read it. Why no amendments? Because the US is not the only party to a trade agreement. An amendment is essentially a veto to any trade bill. If we were to allow every senator and congressman amendments on every trade bill, we'd never have a trade bill, ever. For those of you against every trade bill, I challenge your vision of trade. Without international trade, you're asking for just American products in US markets and no exports at all. That will cut the US GDP 40%, send the US into a long deep depression that would make the 30s look like a cake walk, and lead to massive job displacements. America today is far too automated to support 145M jobs. So, are we now going to ask for everything to be handmade? How much of a decline of the US standard of living do you want? Ultimately, upon reading the TPP, I may find myself against it altogether, but I haven't read it yet. The Congress and Senate has the ability to vote it down up or down.
The question at hand is CAN WE READ THE DAMN THING ?!
The question is NOT, Can we vote on it later whether we get to read it or not?
Anybody ever stop and ask why we need a damn 'trade bill" to trade. What the fuck is this, some Banana Republic?
Answer... Yes.
Duude.. made in China is not "machine manufactured here'.. We don't need trade bills, we need manufacturing to be here, not Mexico, not China, because much of that manufacturing is contributing to a crushing trade deficit that is now out of control.
I feel like William Wallace in Braveheart getting betrayed by Robert the Bruce.
Everybody should just stop complaining.
They approved the TBTF bailouts despite public disapproval,
they invaded Iraq based on lies,
they secretly established massive surveillance to spy on us all,
and those have worked out just fine.
[do I really need a sarc tag here?]
Sowing the seeds of a successful revolution and return to Constitutional government.
If you still think that the establishment Republicans in Congress represent real opposition to President Obama’s policies, you’re either extremely brainwashed or extremely stupid.
Truer words have rarely been spoken
disgusting traitors.... the entire collection of rats -all sides
What is so bad about the existing trade agreements that they have to be replaced with this 800 page secrets list? What happens if nothing is done?
Thank you Tylers for finally calling TTP, TTIP, TISA what I have hounding about on a half dozen blogs.
It's not Affordable Care it's Obamacare
It's not Iraq 3.0 its Obamawar
It's not NSA spying its Obamaspy
It's not TTP, TTIP, TISA - It's Obamatrade.
Let's do our part to attach this tarbaby to gov't imposed fascism just like that steaming turd of a bill will forever be stigmatized as Obamacare.
Obamatrade, Obamatrade, Obamatrade....!!!
I see all the Lizzie Warren-union loyalist-socialists are out in force again here on ZH.
I see all the "Obama non citizen", "Obama dictator", "Chemtrails", "Illuminati", "Moon landing hoax", "Sandy Hook shooting hoax", "Fear of "The Cabal", "IMF, CDC", "Strange theories regarding the gold standard", "FEMA camps", "Admiration for Putin/Russia", "Believe that Earth is hollow and a city is in the middle", "Support David Ike reptilian (anti Semitic)", "Belief in End Times chaos/collapse of all monetary systems", "Creationism", "Fanatical ideas about the second amendment", "Jade Helm" --- whatever you people call yourselves --- are out in force again here on ZH.
Oops. Forgot to include Flouride and the Smart Meters.
You forgot the lizard people!!!
https://www.youtube.com/user/4ReptilianResistance
So what's Art's point? He doesn't know about all this stuff, yet? We could take him for a tour of Dulce base.
If it has to be so secret, let it stay that way. VOTE AGAINST IT, so you don't have to learn how stupid you are.