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You're Fired – Now Train Your Much Cheaper Foreign Replacement
Submitted by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,
If you were laid off from your job, would you be willing to train your replacement if your company threatened to take away your severance pay if you didn’t do it? And how would you feel if your replacement came from India, and the only reason your company was replacing you was because the foreign worker was a lot less expensive?
Sadly, this is happening all over America – especially in the information technology field. Huge corporations such as Disney and Southern California Edison are coldly firing existing tech workers and filling those jobs with much cheaper foreign replacements. They are doing this by blatantly abusing the H-1B temporary worker visa program. Workers that had been doing a solid job for decades are being replaced without any hesitation just because it will save those firms a little bit of money.
There is very, very little loyalty left in corporate America today. Even if you have poured your heart and your soul into your company for years, that ultimately means very little. The moment that your usefulness is over, most firms will replace you in a heartbeat these days.
When I learned that Disney was doing this, I was absolutely outraged. Talk about a company that is going down the toilet. The following comes from the New York Times…
While families rode the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and searched for Nemo on clamobiles in the theme parks, these workers monitored computers in industrial buildings nearby, making sure millions of Walt Disney World ticket sales, store purchases and hotel reservations went through without a hitch. Some were performing so well that they thought they had been called in for bonuses.
Instead, about 250 Disney employees were told in late October that they would be laid off. Many of their jobs were transferred to immigrants on temporary visas for highly skilled technical workers, who were brought in by an outsourcing firm based in India. Over the next three months, some Disney employees were required to train their replacements to do the jobs they had lost.
“I just couldn’t believe they could fly people in to sit at our desks and take over our jobs exactly,” said one former worker, an American in his 40s who remains unemployed since his last day at Disney on Jan. 30. “It was so humiliating to train somebody else to take over your job. I still can’t grasp it.”
Honestly, I don’t think that I could do it.
I don’t think that I could train my much cheaper foreign replacement.
But if you are the average American that is just barely scraping by from paycheck to paycheck, I guess complete and total humiliation is better than losing your home to foreclosure.
Out on the west coast, Southern California Edison did the exact same thing that Disney did. The following is an excerpt from a Fox News report…
Anonymous workers who were displaced by the visa holders also submitted written testimonials to lawmakers detailing their firings. Several claimed they were forced to train their replacements, and threatened with losing their severance if they did not.
“We had no choice in this,” one anonymous worker who claimed to have been one of those let go from Southern California Edison, said in a letter. The worker described how when the two vendors were picked – Infosys and TCS, both major Indian companies – SCE employees were told to “sit with, video chat or do whatever was needed to teach them our systems.”
If they did not cooperate, according to the testimonial, “we would be fired and not receive a severance package.”
That is wrong on so many levels. But this is what corporate America has become today – a cold, heartless place that has absolutely no empathy for the average worker.
These workers at Southern California Edison were even told that the firm “could replace one of us with three, four, or five Indian personnel” and still save money on the deal…
“They told us they could replace one of us with three, four, or five Indian personnel and still save money,” one laid-off Edison worker told me, recounting a group meeting with supervisors last year. “They said, ‘We can get four Indian guys for cheaper than the price of you.’ You could hear a pin drop in the room.”
The original intent of the H-1B temporary worker visa program was to allow U.S. companies to import foreign workers to do jobs that they were unable to fill with American workers.
But that is not what is happening.
Instead, the H-1B temporary worker visa program is being used to replace thousands upon thousands of well paid American workers.
It is a disgusting practice and it needs to stop. There has been so much outrage over this that it has even gotten the attention of the U.S. Senate. The following is from a letter that a bipartisan group of U.S. Senators sent to the Attorney General…
A number of U.S. employers, including some large, well-known, publicly-traded corporations, have reportedly laid off thousands of American workers and replaced them with H-1B visa holders. To add insult to injury, many of the replaced American employees report that they have been forced to train the foreign workers who are taking their jobs. This troubling practice seems to be particularly concentrated in the information technology (IT) sector, which is not surprising given that sixty five percent of H-1B petitions approved in FY 2014 were for workers in computer-related occupations. Though such reports of H-1B-driven layoffs have been circulating for years, their frequency seems to have increased dramatically in the past year alone.
So has anything been done about this?
Of course not.
Instead, Barack Obama is working on an extremely secretive global economic treaty which will reportedly allow far more foreign workers to come into this country and which will result in millions more good paying jobs being shipped overseas. It is called “The Trans-Pacific Partnership”, and it is basically NAFTA on steroids.
Why is it that Barack Obama has to be on the wrong side of every single issue?
The U.S. middle class is being systematically ripped to shreds, and most Americans are showing very little alarm about this.
How much damage has to be done before people will finally start waking up?
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Global trade: I'll give you paltry wages, you let me lend you money at interest.
Deal?
Damn Indians. Why don't they all go back to their reservations and work in the casinos? Worse than Canadians.
Blame the firewater on both accounts.
I've been fired a few times. They asked me to "transition" my accounts to a new rep. I pointed to the paper files and said "There are the accounts. Everything you need to know is in there. If you have any questions, call this number and leave a message and I'll get back to you." The electronic files on my work laptop, I had, of course, already wiped cleaner than Hillary Clinton's email server by the time I turned it in.
They paid me my severance. They said I had to do it, but failed to specify how well I had to do it.
You got off easy, my last position confiscated my head after the exit interview.
Sounds like my place.
One little, two little, three little indians......................
pods
It seems like Indians, and most likely, many other peoples, are culturally programmed to desire coming to the USA, and we are culturally programmed to accept them. One of the nearby hi skools I pass on my commute had a new sign up: a picture of kids from multiple races and the text "Preparing today's kids to thrive in a global society". I see...
Yep, and it all started with those Benetton ads in the 80s.
I feel bad for the guys on Visas though. They are good people, but they basically have to do anything asked.
pods
*Flips desk..* Well adios then mother f_kers... :D
Time to go make that next Fortune 500, Henry Ford Style...
Who's with me?
http://galeinnes.blogspot.com/2015/06/asking-for-help.html
There is a whole other side to this story...
https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/on-outsourcing-and-its-ills/
I've had that happen to me.
I just grinned and walked out of the room.
It cost them a damn fortune.
I downsized and I'm happy for doing it.....they didn't have the luxury.
How much damage has to be done before people will finally start waking up?
never,
because 80% of the planet do not deserve to live, they bring nothing to the society, it's a fact, they just get buzy doing worthless activity that just prevent em to go mad, .app to kill free time to prevent thinking such candy brain soda and so long, totally idiotic tv shows to keep mass home, easier to track down...i lost faith in humanity. bunch of fucktards.
the stoneshaper of the guidestone with the 500million cap of human being is just a visionnaire.
The way we retaliate is by becoming self-employed.
Yes, that he asks this question is evidence that he is delusional in the same way those he criticizes are. Just a matter of degree.
A couple of years back I worked on a large (100 million+) SAP upgrade. One of the key 'savings' identified was the use of infosys, etc Indian programmers. Heard the same BS about 3-4 indian guys to one US programmer. Well, the project ballooned up to 250+million and added 2-3 years.....
And the reason? Cultural differences. There were language barriers. The US people on the project were used to giving basic directions for changes and implementation and then the programmers, admins etc would run with it and make it happen. This was not the case with the Indian guys. The team had to develop its on internal structure of management that didn't exist with Americans.
So, I say let these mega corps continue down this path of ignorance of letting the MBAs run the show. What they don't know is that is with any project or product there are always hidden costs that can't be seen just on paper. In my honest opinion, the ratios is more like 5-7 indian guys to one US programmer and then ,guess what? The US programmer wins out....
So, our company got charged 150+million more for the project than was originally intended. Some of this had to be expensed immediately (lowering profits) and some was capitalized. The capitalized portion is now hitting the SG&A of the business and since this was an upgrade there aren't enough efficiencies to cover the increase in SG&A. So, now the prices of products are increasing or either the margin are eroding. So, I congratulate the MBAs/Execs for hasting the downfall of megacorps with decisions like this....keep it up. It will painful for Americans but this could also eventually be a liberating force.
Exactly. See India. They're crooks and morons in general. It's still a dump despite British coddling for centuries. 30 years ago, my mom made the mistake of subletting her apartment to an Indian college girl. First thing, she brought her mom over w/o asking. Her mom started making calls back to India. My mom had to take the telephone to work with her! Then the fool turned the stove up on high, got a pan red hot and then set it on the parquet flooring. It put a big black charred circle on the wood and it's a wonder she didn't burn the apartment down. Mom had to get them out immediately before they took everything she had and made her homeless. God help a country stupid enough to let them in, or, has he already turned his back on it?
And the project was probably declared a success!
I've assisted a client working on a project to upgrade their system to SAP.
It was ... painful and stretched for months. Nothing raciss or whatever as they were very nice, but it was like who is doing what and what's going on? Who am I supposed to talk to? Huh? Requirements have changed and now they want what? Very disorganized.
Thanks for posting that article Oh Regional Indian - good insight - and I fully agree with the statement:
Let’s go back to being different and relishing it.
This, to me, is what makes other countries so fascinating - their cultures are why I'd want to go visit them. The parasitic busy-bodies like Gates et. al. who want to make everyone "homogenous" can go fuck themselves - preferrably right off a cliff. Just seeing how Westernized Japan has become is very sad for me - and I can imagine that it's just as bad in India.
Now you know what the TPP is all about.....expanding on this practice.
BTW- this happened to me 4 years ago. I had to train 3 workers in India (conference calls) to do my IT job. Nice eh?
Storm Clouds Gathering has a new 4 minute video on the TPP
Good to share with those who don't know about it;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnyPsKw_gak&feature=em-subs_digest
Yesterday we found out who the republicans actually are.
Defund the GOP!
Yeah we used Pelosi to do it...first time ever...we'll use anyone. Live free or die.
It's pretty clear to me that Pelosi is a liberal....but it's also clear to me she's not willing to go full tilt marxist....and that's something I can work with. I cannot say the same thing for the GOP.
Most likely, just pulling it until the dust settles. I look for a pre-holiday 'ram thru', on lite voting, when no one's looking.
and a more advanced article on Washington's Blog about TPP, TTIP, & TiSA
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/
As it turns out though...unless they are MD doctors, most people here do not accept them and not because of their race but because of their attitude. Any company hiring them is batshit crazy unless every customer is Indian too. In my varied experience with them, I was done at about 1 minute, every time, no matter who it was because they are just plain rude...and not even that smart!!!
Call me a racist but I am a realist as far as reality goes. I would not buy anything from an Indian with an attitude against Muricans as much as Muricans need an attitude.
I get totally pissed when a man in a melodic Punjabi warbling voice answers the help line and says, Hell-oo my-e name is Jus-tin how may I hel-p you?
No, man. Your name is clearly NOT Justin and starting this conversation out with a lie is bad. Your name is Rahul. Now read me your flow chart to reset my router.
+1
I pressed a clearly-Mumbai-based customer-service rep about this recently. It went something like this:
Hello..this is Jenniferrrrrr...how can I help you? (etc)
"You're name isn't really Jennifer..what is it really?"
Yes..this is Jenniferrrrrr
"Please, what's your real name?"
Jenniferrrr
"OK..got it...I'm sure your real name is far more beautiful sounding than Jenniferrrr" (heard a small hint of a chuckle)
How can I help you Sirrrrr?
She didn't give it up tho :(
"To add insult to injury, many of the replaced American employees report that they have been forced to train the foreign workers who are taking their jobs."
Sure, we trained them. Real good. Problem is when you run into an exceptional one who actually cares how shit works. You know that math they didn't teach you in high school?
You know that math they didn't teach you in high school?
Do you mean that Math that YOU...yes YOU... did NOT care to learn about in High School..or College...or at the University?
I guess that it is just human nature to place the blame for your own failings upon others. (...like your teachers who demonstrated that Math daily,,,while you were too busy thinking about how to get some stinky finger from Suzy Rottencrotch.)
It was not important at the time I guess. All I ever heard was the whines from y'all saying that you'd never use it.
(And I heard those whines...WHILE TEACHING REMEDIAL ALGEBRA COURSES AT THE UNIVERSITY?!? And picking up those CRIB NOTES off of the floor at the Testing Center really made my day. I kept some of them as souvenirs...trophies from who I did not catch. But I nailed plenty and got them BOOTED.)
Awwwwwwww...
Somebody's feewings were hurt by the FUCKING TRUTH that the people are FUCKING INNUMERATE BECAUSE THEY FAILED TO LEARN.
Furthermore they do not like to take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR FAILURE!!!
Awwwwwwww...
Junk it. It does not make you less responsible and it does not change the truth.
We can all make a difference by refusing to speak to them. Ask for some one else until it hurts.
You are right , you are a racist, pissed off, and most probably without a job.
And it is you that is racist...
When you applaud others' work ethic and differentiate work ethics by race in your following post, then pray tell us just how that is not racist?
Look in the fucking mirror, asshole!!!
THIS IS FIGHT CLUB.
Since this is the first time that I have seen you post...YOU HAVE TO FIGHT.
Its my guess, I could be wrong, in a real fight I could just defeat you my running in front of you for 5 minutes - after all how long those lungs can feed over 200 pounds of flab...
It's the doctors as well. I've heard the stories from relatives. They're stupid and arrogant at the same time. The one closest to me got busted over prescribing pain killers for cash, on the side. Had his license pulled for just a few months. Here's one story on that thief. A relative went to him years before for swimmer's ear. They knew it going in. Did they get treated for it? No! The crook said they needed a CAT scan because it might be cancer. He thought my relative was stupid enough to take the cancer 'bait' for damned swimmer's ear. True story.
I am sure all these hosipitals are owned and run by Indians, you are so right..http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/06/hospitals-that-charge-...
I am sure all these hosipitals are owned and run by Indians, you are so right..http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/06/hospitals-that-charge-...
Not so long ago, some white people invaded a continent and killed, subjugated, local tribes they called Indians. Today another set of Indians are displacing them from their "homeland" .... hmmm Karmas I guess
Thousands of years ago, brown skinned people were killing each other, subjugating each other and creating a caste system of something called "birth right" that allows one brown skinned person to be superior to another that stands to this very day, in a place called India.
Which we had zero to do with.
So because some manipulative bastards (of all skin colors) prey upon this "inferior class" of Indians once again by bringing them here (we, of all skin colors) are supposed to accept it as "karma" and our fates?
I don't fucking think so.
India needs to get its population under control. India is being selfishly irresponsible by having a population of one billion. That costs everybody in the world, ESPECIALLY American workers who are losing their jobs to Indians willing to work for half-price because there is so much poverty in India. India is well able to manufacture anything it needs to. INDIA, START MANUFACTURING CONDOMS!!!! :-(
A few Pakistani nukes would be a good start on population control there.
I know it is not my job to correct every numbskull who is roaming this site still let me explain to you few facts
US energy comsumption per person (in kilograms of oil equivalent/year) 7164.4
India 565.5 so American use energy equal to 4.0 Billion Indians who do not exist on date
US food (grain) comsumption per person per year is 5 times that of India, Meat consumption is about 25 times. So before you point fingers get your facts straight. Why do you think 66percent of America's population is overweight ?? Do me a favor keep your mouth shut here and at the dinner table.
If you've seen what it is like where "those" people live, you'll understand why it is 1000x better to go West.
The absolute worst (in terms of for the ones who come over) are those who are sold the dream that they can make it here no matter what. I recall a news clipping about immigrants who for fear of seeming unsuccessful and losing respect/face they tell family and friends back home about how well they've done. Instead they're barely scraping by and you hear about doctors and engineers coming over, but only able to land a job as a cabbie.
What's happening... we're brain draining those countries of quality (for their standards) workers who could improve their own countries.
Good for you NoDebt.
DavidC
Personally, I blame the curry.
So... Out with the Wagon-Burners and In with the Job-Burners?
How ironic.
I'm sorry....if they hold a severance package over your head could that not be construed as extortion?
I'd give it a go in court. Or secretly TAPE THAT CONVERSATION AND POST IT ON YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK, TWITTER, VINE AND EVERY OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM AND LET THOSE COCK SUCKING MOTHER FUCKERS SQUIRM.
It's the internet bitch.....it's forever.
Careful, if that worked, no one could get on FB.
Great posting, but this stuff has been going on for 20 years, and increased dramatically around 2002; before Disney there was Palm, Bank of America (remember Kevin Flanigan's suicide at their Oakland site), and many, many more.
This morning in Seattle, WA, USA, on the KIRO radio station, our local faux crat, David Ross, and some female twit, fully embraced globalization and American worker replacement by broadcasting the official Corporate/Bankster nonsense story: they have to import foreign visa scab workers because there just aren't enough programmers, engineers, scientists, janitors, bridge construction workers, doctors, attorneys, etc., etc., etc.
Problem, of course, as this blog posting points out, these workers are ALREADY ON THE JOB, and then replaced with these foreign visa scab workers again and again and again.
Some bullcrap University of Washington comp. science professor repeated the bullcrap story, just as Microsoft's legal counsel, Rob McKenna, former unpopular Washington state attorney general (he brought an unpopular lawsuite against the Obama administration against the ACA, or ObamaCare).
It's all bankster bullcrap --- and only bloody violence will change it.
Now do you understand why Chinese scab workers were attacked in the early 1900s by laid off railroad workers, who were starving as the monopolists (Money Trusts) brought over Chinese replacement workers by the boatloads and replaced them?
Now do you understand why Chinese scab workers were attacked in the early 1900s by laid off railroad workers, who were starving as the monopolists (Money Trusts) brought over Chinese replacement workers by the boatloads and replaced them?
I understand fully, that's why the overlords win everytime! Attacking the workers, not the overlords - same as it ever was. And that's why we are in trouble.
Hi,
I know, I am about to make myself very popular on this site, still I think what I need to say has to be said so here it goes.... I have worked for Microsoft for over six years and HP for another five, I can tell you from first hand experience that Indians beat hands down most Americans in tech knowledge, pure coding and work ethics. To be honest so do Japanese, Koreans, East Europeans and Russians. I can only guess what has caused it, people have lots of distractions and money to go and pursue them, focus is on enjoying life, slowly work ethics/hardwork/real knowledge have been replaced Jargon, being cool etc. Today more worringly most of the family units are broken, of people I know personally around 80 percent are either divorced or single parents or having a step parent. This I believe severely impacts healthy growth of the children who end up getting neglected and suffer in many ways including education, self confidence etc.Systems and practices especially in schools and colleges today are broken, only paper-overed "tick mark" approach covers the rot. I really, really do worry about the education, knowledge and ethics of the coming generation and their ability to compete in a global, competitive envoirnment - which our businesses and politicians have created and contnue to foster on date. I think time has come to get our heads out of our posteriors and understand what we face and how we have reached here rather than trying to insult other nations or races.
CORPORATE TROLL ALERT.
He supports Bill Gates? He works FOR Microsoft? He works to support the NSA espionage?
Yeah. You are going to become Mr. Popularity around here.
LMAO.
the trolls are becoming brazen...
I beg to differ. I worked for Dell for 10 years and Left HP last year after 8 years. I have worked with some bright Indians but the ones that I saw as equal to or better were those that were consultants, where you have to generally be a cut above. The direct employed individuals that I worked with at HP were not exceptional and in fact 1 particular person I had to deal with was quite incompetent. I never culd understand how he stayed employed but it was probably becuase he was in Singapore and his direct supervisor was in Germany. From my experience the ratio of intelligent and competent Indians is no more higher than that of the American technology workforce.
Shhh...Don't wake up the racist.
He enjoys his racism, his stereotyping too much.
We must be sensitive to his need to feel superior as he is inferior.
Tom, Your good manners, which I am sure are accompanied by a good education and culture are here for all to see. I do understand why Americans are called "exceptional" - after all you are exceptional in your own way. Best part is that you are comfortable in being who you are and there is nothing I can do or say to change a response from a person like you. Go ahead make my day....
Blazing, you took a beating with the down arrows, but your words do have truth to them. There is one key thing you're not aware of though: despite the sad state of the average person, the smartest computer geniuses are in the USA. I happen to know one of the most brilliant of them all. He's assembling a team at this moment that will change the world.
A team made of Americans? Best of luck!!!
Gladius,
Just one quick question "the smartest computer geniuses are in the USA." how do you know that? here's how
1. You are infact the smartest person and all knowing on top so you know the UNIVERSAL truth which no one else does. Best part is that you are humble enough to come and tell rest about it.
2. You are a delusionist who is actually worse than tall tom, who is clearly uninformed, uneducated and uncouth (in my view) but is happy with acknowledging that on an open forum, through his posts. You are a bit more clever - just add "In my opinion" in front of your claim and I will discuss - if you act like ALMIGHTY who KNOWS than refer to some of the language used by Tom to understand what I think of you. Remember Einstein, Martin Luther King , Gandhi, could not make a dent, but this.. er.. friend of yours will change the world, I am SURE....
India has 3 times as many people as the USA. So India OUGHT TO be able to generate 3 times as many smart young people. And 3 times as many not-so-smart people. I have worked with some Indians, and they were smart and hard-working, but I would not say they were smarter or more hard-working than the Americans in the same office.
I see the State legislature is going to cut money to the libraries and parks again, and increase money gifts to corporations to "lure them into the State". I think the rich people who run the State are showing me what they value. Themselves. Their airplanes, castles, cars, vacations, and social standing at their country clubs. And, of course, "law and order", since those laws and that order provide them with airplanes, castles, cars, vacations, and social standing at their country clubs. And that money has to come from somewhere, so they will take it from the things that make children smarter, and then they will blame the children. I don't blame the children. I blame the citizens who don't vote.
This video is not new but it is a very interesting. Only 13mins. Well worth the time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A
Why is this just getting press now? This has been going on for 15 years in the U.S. Politicians have never understood it because the Indians don't work for the company laying off the people, but work for Infosys, Accenture, TaTa, IBM, Wipto, Cognizant, etc.
They just think the people are getting laid off due to downsizing, but they have always been replaced by H1B labor. Its is an old story, and has cost about 1 to 2 million U.S. Jobs over 15 years. This is a big chunk of middle class wage stagnation.
I won't train a replacement even if they offer a year's wages. At that point, I want to see the company collapse.
I skirt the issue by being too incompetent to train my replacement.
I would train my replacement how to fuck everything up without knowing it.
I did that exact thing whilst scamming as much expenses as possible.
Twice I've had to train my replacements.
I've done that a few times. I've been hired back as a highly paid consultant.
Come on, at least have some fun with it. I would diligently train my replacement to do the job in the most inefficient, error prone, wasteful, time consuming, and costly way possible. If the replacement were to have any concerns or suggestions for improvement, I'd just keep hammering the point that, "this is the way things are done here, and if you even suggest any changes, you won't be around long enough to train your replacement."
edit: I see that unplugged has expressed the same idea far more succinctly.
+100500
You shouldn't have to work very hard to achieve that goal. You get what you vote for, and you get what you hire.
The best part is you won't even have to pretend-as that would be the normal way you work everyday. The person you train unfortunately is somewhat aware of your competency, afterall he won't be replacing you otherwise.
You obviously hae not spent anytime READING.
Competent people are perceived as threats to the incompetent in any organization.
So instead of the incompetents concentrating of building their own competency the will divert attention to the destruction of the threat. This further erodes corporate efficiencies.
Incompetents rise to a level where advancement is no longer possible.
Perhaps you ought to READ "The Peter Principle", understand the basics of CORPORATE ORGANIZATION, and then draw the inferences from that information provided.
But, alas, it seems as if you have advanced to your own level of incompetency and are now diverting your energies to stymie the advancement ,and attempting to rid yourself of your CORPORATE INFERIORS (Inferior only by position in the Corporate Structure as sme are most definitely superior to you in personal character..YOU FUCKING RACIST PIECE OF SHIT..)
So good luck with that. I will be celebrating the demise of Microsoft during the oncoming Economic Collapse...and your personal demise along with it. Corporate employees will be amongst the very last people that I will assist. You can starve as far as I am concerned.
Tom, Tom, Just take that napkin, yes go ahead and wipe that froth from around your mouth, there, there, now go to the refrigerator and take out that beer and turn on the TV. See you are already feeling better aren't you? And don't fret about that Peter principle, or mackinsey seven S model, or maslow's need hierrachy or peter senge's systems thinking or porters competitve advantage....
agreed, if that would happen to me I´d go full Wally (Dilbert/ Scott Adams)
agreed, if that would happen to me I´d go full Wally (Dilbert/ Scott Adams)
+42
It's about time that the Wiggers got wise and devious, amd started looking after the mutual interests of its own Kind. Nothing wrong with that, as all non-Wiggers are doing it.
That's the way it's supposed to be: Social Darwinism, not Central Socialism.
New Hampshire and Maine look better and better everyday...Love those census demographics.
Who is going to train Rachel Dolezal NAACP wigger position? Perhaps a Indian with fluent ebonics language training.
/sarc
It didn't involve training his replacement, but I have a buddy that was placed in a similar situation. His job involved working on pumps in a natural gas field. In order to keep them going, he and the others had to come up with bypasses on circuts and whatnot because they didn't always have the necessary replacement parts to repare things in the OEM way. The accountants figured that they could just hire subcontractors on an as needed basis and got rid of the entire crew. When they figured out that it doesn't work that way, the people who had been shitcanned all told the company to fuck off, and they lost the contract.
tell that to the wife.
and be sure to greet the process server the next day and accept her package
I am not as indebted as you.
How in the hell did we end up with a much MORE expensive foreign replacement in the White House?!
laissez faire? :/
New Normal: Increase bottom line 0.0000001% and stock pops 1,000,000%.
None of this is new as we all sadly know. They have been screwing us since the beginning. It isn't "falling apart". It never was. The thing has been rigged against the people since the beginning. http://www.thetruthaboutthelaw.com/they-really-put-the-con-in-constituti...
Agreed. See Howard Zinn's, A Peoples' History of the United States.
Zinn was a fucking communist who was successful indocrinating more useful idiots for the Marxist movement. His entire "history" is just a tome of communist ideology promoted as enlighted "alternative" viewpoints.
Howard Zinn was teaching a class, but he wasn't yet a professor and his classroom wasn't at a university. It was late 1951, and the students who gathered for Zinn's lessons in Brooklyn were his fellow members of the Communist Party USA.
One of Zinn's comrades described him as "a person with some authority" within the local CPUSA section and said that Zinn's class was on "basic Marxism," the theme being "that the basic teachings of Marx and Lenin were sound and should be adhered to by those present."
Read more at http://spectator.org/articles/39155/case-against-howard-zinn
You cry babies, where is jenner today? You got the latest scoop on Kim K? Oh God, I am crushed, miley cyrus is an it....DuhMerica will die with its nose burried in a smart phone, never knew what hit them...
...and as long as that phone works and the EBGT cards scan, they won't even care.
What a load. I almost stopped reading after this non-sensical statement--"There is very, very little loyalty left in corporate America today. "--but thought the author might actually go on to provide some support for implied contentiont that there was loyalty in the past.
Then I came across this little chestnut, "But this is what corporate America has become today – a cold, heartless place that has absolutely no empathy for the average worker."
Or maybe the author thought just because Citizens' United guaranteed corporate personhood it magically created corporate conscience.
Allow me to reduce your future postings with this simple sentence...
Expendable slave labor under crony capitalism monopolies. Welcome to Globalisation.
I'm glad the dumbfucks voted for the porch monkey twice. You get what you deserve, we warned you.
"I could set the building on fire."
um, yeah, if I could just get my stapler first...that would be great.
Too late, I already took the red swingline stapler and replaced it with a knock off.
;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVmC0ktznNo
mm'kay?
Americans won't wake up ever - dumber than snot
"Give us your poor, tired, sick(o), huddled masses".
Nothing new. Been going on for well over 15 years.
H-1B started in 1991. Alan Greenspan testified in favor of it, because it would reduce US labor costs.
Time to outsource Wall St to the Chinese. Stop doing business with Wall St and the USA stock market. Put all your money in China and deal with Singapore brokers.
Starve the cabal of funds.
Unfortunately the only tax shelter most of us have is our 401Ks. And you know who's hands are on that money.
The insult to injury is that most of them are living paycheck to paycheck just giving the complaint instead of having saved extra money to live off for a year to flip them bird and just quit...
Most companies have you sign a lawsuit waiver to get your severance!
Oh, and one final thing, Juglish. The boss likes a nice Cleveland Steamer everyday at 3. He'll play coy and say no, but it's all part of his game. He'll really enjoy a nice curried, loose one, for sure.
Sad but I had to look it up. Now I'm sad.
After a Cleveland Steamer event, contact Stanley Steamer to tidy up the mess.
"If you were laid off from your job, would you be willing to train your replacement if your company threatened to take away your severance pay if you didn’t do it?"
I sure would. It would allow me enough time to install my dead mans switch under the new guys account.
There is very, very little loyalty left in corporate America today.
Yes, very little...
The smart ones keep the Secret Sauce to themselves, and come back as Consultants -- if they played their PR cards right with their bosses.
"Be nice to people on your way up, cause you're gonna meet them on your way down" - old workplace advice
I have done my share of consulting for my old employers. Usually the ones I left though and not "fired to train my replacement." When I was younger/early career, I wondered why my predecessors made systems needlessly complex. Figured out quickly that is how you get the call back.
As far as going up or down, I am looking for the way out these days...
Well, the answer is build automation systems that replace the indian workers :) With Robots doing the job, there is no need for middle managemenr and a large part of upper management. Then all those unemployable managers can enjoy their slice of karma pie!
FWIW: As the US middle class disappears, there won't be anyone with money to buy the goods and services.
"It would allow me enough time to install my dead mans switch under the new guys account."
Did something similar many years ago -- left a file that would trash the database 6-9 months down the road. They did call me when it failed but by then, I was so over the company that I just gave them a lead on how to fix the problem. Sometimes, forgiveness works both ways.
Being surprised by Obama at this stage is laughable.
This happened to me exactly as described and I work in the Power industry. The idea is to make the company look more profitable. In my case the training I gave was nil. The Indians actually thought they knew it all. LOL I just went to work for someone else since my field is in high demand. It takes years of experience to do my job and these H1B guys don't have a clue. Good luck with the future of your electric power reliability. If this continues you will have the reliability of India. Hey america have a look at your future reliability.
https://techpaul.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/picture-from-india/
Isn't that the country where they bathe in fecal water? No sewage system but electricity savants.
@Latitude - Wow! And I thought behind my desk was bad. I'd like to see the documentation for that install...
My first day in a foreign not to be named country I found the same mess but with CAT5. They had about 90 runs of 4 pair of assorted colors from the server room to the operations center tied to cheap SOHO switches on the ops side. Mind you, this was to connect 3 CLASSIFIED networks from the server room to the Ops Center. I spent a week installing a service shelf they had in storage just to run one fiber pair per network, separated as per standards and spent a day cutting the mess of cables just to pull them down from the former "service shelf".
Each of those lines acts as an antenna, in a country rather famous for monsoonal storms . . .
Reliable power (let alone "clean" power) is still an issue in the major cities. Out "in the sticks" power cuts are commonplace (daily), since infrastructure costs money, and the moneymakers prefer to minimise their costs.
It is very useful to remember that India is one of the very few countries where the really big "supergrid" transformers are still built from scratch. So, if the is an EMP event (man-made or natural) you'll be hoping that India might be able to provide you with those big network transformers / reactors / HV control gear. Current lead times for new build are about ten (10) years, so you could be in for a wait.
Thirty five years ago (early 1980's) our neighbour in the UK was a senior engineer for the CEGB (Marchwood Laboratory). Even then, he was forever complaining that they had problems getting HV bushings on contract from their always overseas, usually Indian suppliers - there was either no, or very little UK manufacturing capacity, and that was before Thatcher gutted whatever was left in favour of the FIRE future fiasco.
Now? I'd be VERY interested to hear comments from HV Distribution engineers, as to where they source their parts for "routine" servicing / reconditioning from. I suspect it'll not be very local, and I'd be interested to hear how far ahead you need to place orders, especially for the less common components (i.e. higher working voltage).
I see the same thing happening to me in the next six months. They will not have a clue unless I train them for a few years. When the system I work on goes down, it costs my company 1.5 million per hour. It helps my company do turnarounds on and run refineries. I just laugh out loud when anyone mentions trying to replace me or my team. There's about 50 guys in my city that could do it and I know half of them, none are Indian.
Now you should understand why dipshit Obama & Alphabet soup agencies have been repeatedly scapegoating the water and electricity grid meltdown.
They are creating the next crisis by hiring offshore labor. Then tell us, we didn't see that coming.
Another strategy for short term gains and long term demise.
Awh just BTFD and quit your bellyaching.
It occurred to me the other day while doing the only "constitutional" function that still seems to work anymore that this open borders and particularly H1-B visa nonsense in the hard sciences and medical is in the short term about money of course, but ominously, in the long term I think it is about controlling access to cutting technology and innovation. Illegals and work visa types have a rather nasty added level of control to ensure compliance.
The dumbing down is full spectrum. Lip-service to "education" with bullshit degrees, yet hard science people can't get work with theirs, unless they want to work for third world wages. In the longer term, I see only vetted large club/tribe members/spawn having access to the cutting edge stuff, with H1-B's doing the grunt work.
It's about control of every. single. molecule. of. your. existence.
Alas, this is war after all.
Its amazing all you hear now days is send your kid into STEM fields, STEM is the future, etc. I know plenty of 40 year old scientists and engineers who went the stem route and are all unemployed or freelance now. One girl with top honors in cellular biology working on cancer meds barley makes $60,000 a year while the company makes billions off her research and is still paying off PHD, masters et. all in her 40s. Ya STEMs great alright. At least one of them used their chemistry smarts to make awesome cheese and beer.
Yup, I'm one of those discards. Like the AMA or ABA, American STEM workers need to organize a guild ASAP to protect our labor value and education investment. Or we can go at it alone succumbing one-by-one and fade into irrelevance and poverty while GlobalCorp exploits/indentures new slave markets until the strip-mining of the American middle-class is finished.
R U an architect?
I would hope that on being informed of this, I would walk out the door immediately with no further word. Don't the morons involved realize that if they all did that, they could win?
Big fucking deal.
<<If you were laid off from your job,>>
You think that is bad?
How about if you were a sole proprietor of a business and you had to pay your employees first and still, your revenues could not do it. What if you had to lay employees off from their job even though you still need them?
This is all before you get to pay yourself.
This has become the reality for a large percentage of the Architecture, Engineering and Construction industry not directly involved in government, healthcare and education work.
Americans have been successfully drugged out on scientifically controlled TV. It has turned them into non-productive zombies incapable of critical thinking. They have become far too dependent on other people and the collective for the basics of their life, which is the foundation of survival. They think they bought into an easy way forward, but life was not designed by nature to be easy. Americans will pay a price for allowing this to happen. They don't see it coming, but they will have it in their laps nonetheless, likely sooner than later.
Not just Americans.
That's true; but just like the Nazis, others will learn from our mistakes and quietly solve their own problems, and label themselves heroes for it, while we get all the ridicule and blame.
Zion's plunder of the American country and American people has gone full retard.
Have you cleaned your weapons lately?
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
I'm going to go sharpen the guillotine a month ahead of schedule.
I was listening to a radio talk show the other late night and the host claimed that not only did the Disney wokers have to train their replacements, but that the workers were "black listed" from employment at any Disney contractor.
Disney admitted that they had been black-listed, but it was "inadvertent." However, the reason it was inadvertent was because Disney already had in place a policy of automatic black-listing of any and all ex employees--do as we say or be cut off from your livelihood forever (Wonderful World of Serfdom?)
Disney cut off responses to the reporter when they pressed on as to why a black-list policy existed in the first place. Later they came back and said that it was not a black-list per se, just a policy of not letting previous employees work in same or similar jobs with Disney or contractors working for Disney for 18 months--in corporate speak: a black-list.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
Im NOT GOING to FUCKING Disney should be the new "labor" movement slogan. Fuck them. Fuck them. Fuck them the only way they care.
With everything that's going on in this country, I have to believe that there is a master plan to eventually replace it's citizens, period. What's really frightening, is that every politician knows what's happening and very few even speak out, never mind try to do something about it. Instead, they seem to be fostering it. The Baby Boomer generation will be the last American generation.
You think? Wake the fuck up, it's late.
I could write on about how the Zionists and their Amongst have set about plundering the American country and people since 1896, but I will leave that up to one of Zion's upper level subordinates:
“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” -- Benjamin Netanyahu, 2002
If one always keeps in mind that it is about money, power, and division--plunder--then they will fair well on understanding what is happening. If they try to digest it based on understanding beliefs and motives of misdirected good will, they will become utterly confused and lost.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
Always about money, power, and division--plunder.
Don't let them take it. Don't let them have it. Don't believe it.
luckily, my group has dodged the bullet every time, because there's so much proprietary info at such ridiculous depths that it remains simply impossible to just bring in the H1Bs and have any semblance of functional troubleshooting left. they tried it with lower levels, to ....well let's just say less than stellar results.
That shit has been happening for over 20 years. Why is it just now getting attention?
Agreed. I was working at HP late 90's when they were forcing us to train chinks to take not just our jobs, but crucial proprietary knowledge that they could not have developed on their own for years. Was a forced surrender. We monkey-wrenched some stuff just to fuck with them, but of course hopeless when the leaders are selling you out. Like to see them shot or better yet burned at the stake.
you hate competition
pretty soon those who are from india and live in gated communities will be treated very nicely by some Americans, i predict.
Define: 'nicely'...
a real story. a cook who is a native born and works part time at a local supermarket has been cooking/grocery shopping/cleaning the house for an Indian IT worker family who live in a multi-million house in a gated PGA golf community. The Indian guy who came to the US in 2009 pays him $8.75 an hour for about 20 hours a week but the cook only gets paid 15 hours a week. He is a really nice guy and wants to ask a dollor increase in his hourly pay recently because he has put in three years by now but just doesn’t know how to do it.
Read an interview in Forbes around 2010 I believe it was. An Indian family that had HB-1'd their way over here. Tech industry (what else), had purchased a house in 2006, etc. Then some layoffs happened and along with it their house value took a buzz-cut. The lady said she and the family were moving back to India as there were opportunities popping up all over the place in that market. She said there was no reason for them to stay here any longer as things weren't turning out the way they had thought.
America, the Whore. The Corporatocracy, Pimp.
Stood in line at the store, ended up chatting with a chinese girl whose family had immigrated here. She said her family can't understand why the US govt doesn't just sell Every Single opportunity to be a US citizen; of course, they already do, it's called vote buying and they give you special loans (which is why all corner stores are owned by foreigners now and all the tax drivers in NY ....and most big cities...are muslim) and lots of stuff. Seattle Times had an article on a deaf foreign older couple who will be getting their free benefits for the rest of their lives because they've been designated as not able to work/disabled.
Meanwhile, out in California, Jerry Brown said in the LA Times a couple of days ago that California can absorb ten million more foreigners! Holy You Know What, do we have to have tomatoes at ten dollars a piece before we say NOT ONE MORE IMMIGRANT. The last drought in California was around 1976 when they turned water off everywhere. Now they have double the population at 40 MILLION Not Counting ILLEGALS. 1/3 of Mexico now resides in the US. Then the LA Times yesterday said they will be cutting off water to those with pre-1914 water rights. Good luck with that eating thing.
Where will your children live? Your grandchildren? All in the name of "diversity" cause white people must be punished.
A Bank of America employee was forced to do the same several years ago,,, on his last day he committed suicide.
I immediately cancelled a bank account I had with them and urged others to do the same.... but like everything else, it was too much a hassle for them. Most said the individual was an idiot.
Amerikans are a heartless bunch,,, that is until it happens to them. Then it's a tragedy. Please help, they say. But their compatriots do to them what they done to others.
We can come up with every stupid excuse in the world why something is happening but we don't have the desire to inconvenience ourselves a little to stop it.
We could have stopped this years ago but now all we can do is come up with lame excuses to deny responsibility and whine.
I work in technology for a rather old company. Getting ready to hit 20 years with them but we have the "Disney" model tee'd up for the CIO to take a swing - with the board of directors as approving spectators. The similarites are between Disney's IT and us are striking.
I may survive this cut ..but then again....I am the only American-born citizen in my department. Such is America today.
If you are almost at 20 years then stand the 'ef' by and be prepared.
I would probably just do a shitty job of training them. I wouldn't want to get sued for damaging company stuff.
I'm pretty sure the guy before me sabotaged everything. Documents would NEVER have dates in the file names; I think he removed all of them just to make things difficult. Versions were also a mess. There would be things like version 1, "final", "final revision 2", "100%". Of course, none of the files have dates on them, so you can't tell which order they are. Another brilliant thing he did was have files located on 3 different servers, and it wasn't immediately clear which copy was the working copy. Suppose we have a project consisting of a house, a car, and a yard. The working (most recent) copy of the house might be on server #2, the car is #1, and the yard is on #3. The catch is that all 3 servers have plan sets for all 3 locations. That means you have a total of 9 drawing sets, of which 3 are up to date. The other 6 are obsolete. If you didn't carefully inspect every single drawing, you might put an engineering stamp on a drawing that is obsolete, and that opens the door to huge legal problems if the thing fucks up and someone gets hurt. Another hilarious and awesome thing he did was related to file sorting. What he would do is create 1 giant folder containing a bunch of different files, create shortcuts to each file, and then sort the shortcuts into folders. That means all of the sorting was shortcuts. If you ever wanted to fuck everything up, all you had to do was delete the folder structure containing the shortcuts. All of the files are still in the same place, but all of the sorting is gone. Oh, and did I mention these files didn't have fucking dates in the file names? It took months to fix that fucking thing.
Idiots! Last thing any IT department wants is pissed off admins. They can take the place down in seconds... Pink slip virus anyone....
But no hang around a bit...train your cheaper retarded replacement...what could go wrong...
The big companies were doing this as far back as early 90s. Sun, Intel, Microsoft personal experience. At Sun they did tricks to make sure no US born would apply for the job, but if they did just tossed the resumes anyway. Once they got someone they were a slave to get a green card, etc...
Now it is just fully formed for all companies. My last company doing HDTV the CEO said he could hire five Chinese for price of one US. Then he did and the company disappeared except the corporate guys managing the Chinese. Lot of smart chip designers and hardware/software designers. All turned to dust in the wind.