Round 1 Goes to We the People

Fast track authority for TPP – which would have assured the passage of a horrible treaty – was voted down today.

But Obama, Ryan and the powers-that-be are forcing Round 2 on Tuesday.

Conservatives and liberals BOTH hate the TPP. It's literally We The People versus the oligarchy.

Keep the pressure on … TPP will pass unless we raise hell.

Comments

[USisCorrupt]

Why do we allow the Real Terrorist to control "we the People" in the first place. Why are they not outted for TREASON?

[doctor10]

ehhhh-NOTHING went "for We the People"

That vote merely set the record straight as to how much it was going to cost to buy Congress good and right. The bonus for the Dems was that they led the Pubbies down the primrose path and got to watch as they committed electoral suicide in front of the whole nation.

[sleigher]

Because the people that would have to do the outing would also be outed and hung for treason.  Judges, Rep's, whoever.  They cannot get those positions without "them" having something on them.  Or I am a cynic...

[conscious being]

Not a cynic. A realist and you to have it the nail on the head, sleigher with this line -

"They cannot get those positions without "them" having something on them."

Watch Good Fellas. This is how the mafia works. And the mafia has America by the balls.

[philipat]

For TPP so far only Japan and The Philippines have agreed to sign up. I don't see many other countries rushing to sign because they are actually quite fond of their sovereignty and being in control of their own legal systems. And for most of them, trade with China is far more important.

[Ajax_USB_Port_R...]

Yes Philipat, good point. There can't be an agreement without co-signers. Not every country has a leader as dumbass as Obama.

[besnook]

japan signed up because they ahve no choice at this time. ultimately the future of japan depends upon its association with china, not the usa. in a totally typical japanesy passive aggressive way japan will support tpp until they don't. japan is still an occupied country. they have few choices now. they will stay on the western side until they have a means to escape. that will not happen until they kick usa military forces out of japan, same with korea(including unification with the north). that is the underlying reason why japan is trying to amend article 9 of the constitution. a real military is critical to jettison usa influence. the usa thinks japan will stay on its side forever. in the end japan will do what is best for japan. that means china is in their future.

the phillipines have been the odd man out of the entire region. they are the niggers of the far east. ironically they are the key to any usa strategy in the region.

[Marco]

That completely depends on China's ability to replace the US as Saudi Arabia's preferred debtor ... China has nothing Japan needs, it's only a source of dollars to buy oil for Japan.

Resource wise Australia is a more important trading partner than China.

[forexskin]

there is not now and never has been any love lost between china and japan. japan will isolate itself, as its prediliction, until an era of opportunity comes to pass and china sits on them.

or until they glow so fukishima bright and spontaneously combust.

[conscious being]

You Philipat have hit the nail on the head.

[Paveway IV]

George - TPP DID pass yesterday. The vote is just non-binding until the TPA part is passed. TPA is the asisstance for TPP-screwed workers.

Next week, they will pass TPA declaring a 'Victory' for the working man and that's the only thing they'll be screaming about in the press. It's the Kabuki theater part of the done-deal Fast Track TPP passage, if I'm understanding it right. I'll gladly stand corrected if someone understands this better.

Passage of TPA will mean both it and the TPP (passed yesterday) will be sumitted for signature. By time Obama signs the package in a few weeks, everyone will be scratching their heads and won't remember when TPP passed. 

Don't underestimate the guilability of the people and the complicity of the press in the con.

TPP PASSED YESTERDAY. We're just waiting for the 'victory for the peon' part to complete the crime.

[TheAntiProgressive]

You are totally spot on, they will toss more $$$ at the "displaced" worker meme and Fancy Nancy who could give a rats ass about soveriegnty or the common worker bee will get the cash for the unions and everyone will be happy, happy, happy and vote to "support" the President.  Now why the "need" more dollars for displaced workers is truly a massive question mark what with this new "free trade jobs engine".  These people are all traitors.

[MonetaryApostate]

Persistency is the key to success, the wealthy know this above all else, and just like other bills that fail...

They will never give up till they get exactly what they want...

That is of course one nations as slaves under debt....

[forexskin]

and when they get what they want, not a single slave will have anything left to loose.

which begins a new era.

[MisterMousePotato]

It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

[philipat]

@Paveway. Yes, I agree with your analysis.

CONgress seems to be reasoning as follows: "We know this Agreement will screw US workers, so before we surrender our Constitutional responsibility for enacting Trade Treaties to the Executive Branch, we must ensure that there is additional financial recourse for the screwed US workers"

Quite remarkable really that the "Representatives" of We the People should have the audacity to act in such a way?

[Paveway IV]

That's disappointing, philipat. I honestly wanted someone to chime in about how I had confused TAA with TPA or whatever acronym the treasonous dual-citizen fucks in congress have labeled all the pieces. 

One commenter here and a couple of other blogs pointed out that the secret TPP was voted on and passed (non-binding until TPA/TAA passed) right after the first piece was shot down. The fact that this happened and was ONLY reported in the MSM as if TPP itself did not pass is a con of unimaginable proportions. Is the MSM that stupid? It's hard to imagine a conspiracy to mis-report this. Considering how everyone parrots whatever the news wires toss out, I suppose it's possible.

Every last otherwise-intelligent person I talked with about this over the weekend is convinced that TPP, itself, was voted down. They are still insisting it can be fought and opposed. I'm still doubting my interpretation of what happened - it sounds very tin-foil-hat-nutter-like.

If the worker welfare piece is the only thing left to send this for signature, then this will have been the most monumental con since WMD and Obamacare. I'm at a loss to say which one is worse - one that has destroyed Iraq for Israeli and Qatari oil, or the others that have cemented the fact that the American public is so easily duped by their own congressional traitors that any legislation can be rammed through. And fuck TPP worker welfare - don't ship our jobs offshore to begin with and turn otherwise productive people into wards of the state, dependent on handouts to survive.

I swear to God I would nullify every last law those bastards have passed in the last decade and BAN all foreign imports to the U.S. for the next decade. Congress just declared war on blue-collar workers and the last few manufacturing workers out there, so sanctions against the U.S. are appropriate - we should declare them on ourselves.

_{War on workers? Roll the fucking wood-chippers...}

[Bob]

Sorry, but you're very correct in your understanding of it, I believe.  Couldn't help but notice that little detail in it all.  But it's actually just "fast track" that was passed, i.e., "Trade Promotion Authority."  Of course, we all know why that's equivalent to passing TPP outright. 

But you've nailed it.  I knew what would happen, but you're right, they'll all soon celebrate the great "coming together in bipartisanship on behalf of the American worker" . . . the repugs will emphasize their support for  job-creating "free trade" already on its way to the Senate (fast track) while the dims will celebrate their resurrection of the TAA and emphasize their gift for "cooperation" and love for the American working class.  Then the TPA will head to Obola for sig. 

Wish I could bet all I own on that proposition. 

[Paveway IV]

So congress did try to authorize the president to declare war on U.S. workers in the future without congressional approval, but the 'future war victims assistance' part was used to temporarily block it. That's fucking sick.

Wait until the oligarchs chosen as trade arbitrators hear about this - they will be OUTRAGED!

_{Fuck the vote 2016. Roll the wood-chippers...}

[Bob]

Well, he'll still need congressional approval for all the "trade deals" to come, but they'll happen under special TPA (fast track rules) like no ammendments, no fillibustering, well, here:

If the President transmits a fast track trade agreement to Congress, then the majority leaders of the House and Senate or their designees must introduce the implementing bill submitted by the President on the first day on which their House is in session. (19 U.S.C.§ 2191(c)(1).) Senators and Representatives may not amend the President’s bill, either in committee or in the Senate or House. (19 U.S.C.§ 2191(d).) The committees to which the bill has been referred have 45 days after its introduction to report the bill, or be automatically discharged, and each House must vote within 15 days after the bill is reported or discharged. (19 U.S.C.§ 2191(e)(1).)

In the likely case that the bill is a revenue bill (as tariffs are revenues), the bill must originate in the House (see U.S. Const., art I, sec. 7), and after the Senate received the House-passed bill, the Finance Committee would have another 15 days to report the bill or be discharged, and then the Senate would have another 15 days to pass the bill. (19 U.S.C.§ 2191(e)(2).) On the House and Senate floors, each Body can debate the bill for no more than 20 hours, and thus Senators cannot filibuster the bill and it will pass with a simple majority vote. (19 U.S.C.§ 2191(f)-(g).) Thus the entire Congressional consideration could take no longer than 90 days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_track_%28trade%29

It will all have that shiny appearance of following rules ostensibly protecting the people, the illusion of dramatic possibilities for real surprise . . . all the shit everybody up there and in TV-land loves.

[Paveway IV]

OK, so President Hillary will be able to negotate the war on American workers Asian country by Asian country, and congress only has to approve or disapprove. 

Well, what am I whining about. That seems fair enough. 

I wish I was allowed to vote for someone else to do 50% of my job for me, and all I had to do was approve or disapprove of the work once it was done. That would be a real time-saver.

Thanks for your responses, Bob and Philipat.

[nmewn]

What does it say about a "fair trade treaty" where part of "the law" being formulated involves subsidizing displaced/fired/layed off American workers as a result?

Its as simple as that.

[philipat]

When Hilary is President is when the Clinton Foundation REALLY starts to pull in Megabucks??

And The US continues to lecture ROW about corruption, but of course only when it serves a political (Noecon) Agenda. Like FIFA and Ukraine (=Russia) for instance?

The enormity and degree of openness of the hyspocrisy is trul astounding. It must be close to the end.

The best hope now for the ordinary American people is that foreign Governments have more integrity than their own. In Asia (TPP) I believ that is certainly the case. In Europe (TTIP)....less so.