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Merkel Mouthpiece Die Welt Suggests DNA-Based EU-Membership: "Greeks Are Not Real Greeks"
In what sounds unnervingly similar to eugenics, Die Welt - the conservative German newspaper close to Merkel's CDU Party - unleashes an anti-Greek tirade warning that "Greece destroyed the European order before," and revives the racial theories of the Nazis, as the author of the article quotes 19th-century Austrian scholar Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer, a xenophobe and a slavophobe, who had invented the "Greeks are not real Greeks" theory in the context of the DNA-based eligibility for EU membership.
In the context of the DNA-based eligibility for EU membership, the thesis of Conservative WELT and CDU clearly implies that apart from the fake Greeks, neither real Turks, Slavs and Albanians should be allowed in the European family of undiluted blood and pour races.
Racists to the bones
The authors makes a reference to the Battle of Navarino in 1827, during the Greek War of Independence (1821–32), where the Great Powers (Britain, France and Russia) destroyed the Ottoman armada thus creating a breakthrough in the Greek Independence War against the Sultan.
However, according to the author the motives of the Great Powers were not geostrategical as every political scientist would think nowadays, but noble and romantic.
“The three powers did that actually against their conviction (peoples should not rise up against their monarch), but because of pure romanticism because the classically educated Western Europeans did not want the descendants of Homer, Socrates and Pericles to be further suppressed by the Turks.”
Then the author’s argumentation falls like a heavy sledgehammer on the heads of those believing that Germany had learned from the fatal mistakes of its past, it had removed from skin and uprooted from soul the racism of national-socialism. The WELT-author explains to its German conservative readers that the Great Power helped the Greeks “but for the wrong reasons.” And this because “the Greeks were not real Greeks” – so the WELT-claim – in terms of racial purification, “inferiority – superiority” duality and cultural arrogance of the European North towards the European South.
“The idea the Greeks of modern times were descendants of Pericles or Socrates and not a Turkish-molded mixture of Slavs, Byzantines and Albanians, was a belief among the educated Europeans. Also the architects of the EU could not escape this belief. In this senses, they brought the clammy Greece into the European boat in 1980. The consequences can be admired every day.”
The idea that Greeks are not real Greeks is not new and it has not be invented by the WELT-journalist. It first came up by Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer a Tyrolean traveller, journalist, politician and historian of the 19th century who is “best known for his controversial (some even say racist) theories concerning the racial origins of the Greeks.”
Fallmerayer’s Greek theory
Fallmerayer devoted his scholarly activities to another Greek-speaking region of the Middle Ages, namely, the Morea – the peninsula of Peloponnese. In particular, he developed his theory that the ancient, “Hellenic“, population of the south Balkans had been replaced during the Migration Period by Slavic peoples (350-800 AD). A similar idea had already been proposed by the British traveler William Martin Leake, but Fallmerayer turned it into a theory, which he advocated with characteristic zeal.
The first volume of Fallmerayer’s Geschichte der Halbinsel Morea während des Mittelalters appeared in 1830, and he expressed his central theory in the foreword as follows:
“The race of the Hellenes has been wiped out in Europe. Physical beauty, intellectual brilliance, innate harmony and simplicity, art, competition, city, village, the splendour of column and temple — indeed, even the name has disappeared from the surface of the Greek continent…. Not the slightest drop of undiluted Hellenic blood flows in the veins of the Christian population of present-day Greece.”
This phenomenon was further interpreted by Fallmerayer as an indication of the potential of the “Slavic” nations to overwhelm the “Latin” and the “German”, a line of thought which he would later develop in his political writings. He further argued that the Great Powers who had supported the Greek War of Independence had been led by a “classical intoxication” to misjudge the character of the new Greek state.
However, Fallmerayer’s not so scientific theories were not purely scholarly. They were politically motivated. The scholar was a devoted supporter of Austria’s Realpolitik and the then empires desire to expand southwards into the Balkans and antagonize Russian interests in the area
Fallmeyer who was “considered one of the great 19th-century intellectuals in the German-speaking world” was a proven slavophobe. and his racist theories were a popular component of the Nazi Propaganda.
“Fallmerayer’s theory was popular as part of the Nazi propaganda in Axis occupied Greece (1941–1944) during World War II, when classically educated Nazi officers used it as an excuse to commit numerous atrocities against the Greek population.” (via wikipedia).
Greek DNA & WELT readers
But the WELT-journalist knows very well the daily’s audience and seems to speak right into the racist DNA of its readers. It is interesting and scary but not surprisingly at the same time, to see how many supposedly classically educated Germans in the comments section on the online edition express support of this racial theory claiming that the very ancient Greeks (Dorians, Ionians) were big, blond and blue-eyed, while the modern Greeks are mainly black-haired and brown-eyed.
Some Comments translated into English by KTG:
1. Especially the people living in Greece nowadays have absolute nothing to do with the ancient Greeks.
2. Dorians and Ionians were blond and blue-eyed, and big. Not to compare with the brown-eyed dark-haired Greeks of today.
3. Strangely, the Mycenaeans were black-haired and black- or brown-eyed brown. They were probably not relatives to the Ionians, right? !
4. No of course not. Dorians and Ionians were Germans, the Mycenaean were Slavs, the Minoans were Egyptians and I’m a Martian. Let’s ignore all genetic tests that prove the contrary.
5. The Mycenaeans were migrants from the North.
DNA-based EU eligibility
In a ironically soft criticism to DIE WELT article, the German edition of popular VICE website notes:
“.. to suggest that Greeks were somehow too “Turkish overbuilt” for the EU and that they had gambled away any claim to EU membership because of their racial purity that’s an interesting interpretation of European history.
But perhaps the author is just jealous because the Greeks, unlike his ancestors actually indeed got their One Thousand Year Reich.”
It must have been with certainty a huge moral relief for the “Kick Greeks out of the Euro” supporters to have created a contemporary scapegoat based on historically and scientifically questionable race purification theories. Never mind the racist aspect… Main-thing is, they can justify that Greece was always bad for Europe, while in contrast Germany was always good.
Apart from the fact that Germany sent to death 16 millions in the WWI and 50-85 millions in the WWII, thus disturbing the German ideal of Heile Welt, the perfect idyllic world of tranquility and ignorance for a couple of years..
P.S. DIE WELT is not BILD, and classic education does not provide immunity to “racial intoxication”. Awaiting for the moment when Two-Speed EU technocrats will be performing DNA tests to future EU members “European ideals”, my a**
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Hate to reference a shitty storybook, but "muggles" and "mudbloods" comes to mind lol.
You're such a squib.
The claim in tbe article is correct. Greeks always refer to their greatness some 2000 years ago. In reality, invaders from Bulgaria occupied the territory soon after the antique civilization collapsed.
I was in Greece last week. It cannot have much in common with the high culture in the past. Place is a mess, which does not exclude the fact that most people were really nice.
Haplogroups in Europe by country:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
Think of a haplogroup as an ancestral clan, a large family, like the Celts, or Vikings. These are clans for the Y chromosome where Y DNA is passed from father to son, only (chromosome which only males possess). (from DNA-Explained.com)
Certainly would be news to the Greeks that they are in fact Turks...and vce versa.
Apparently someone's racial theories has a conflict with reality again!
Now just cut another check for a trillion billion bazillion and make nice!
It's all Greek to me.
Well at least we know everybody on ZH is a REAL American. No DNA test necessary.
Except for the Canadians. Damn Canadians. And all the Russian Putin-worshiping sock puppets.
You mean BMI over 40 is prove enough for being a real `Murican? Agreed.
Irony seemed to be lost on this Austrian author. More than two millennia after the fall of the Roman Empire, the vast majority of present-day Europeans are an admixture of at least two out of four historic European ethnic groups.
In the United States, where the cultural influence of Europe's nation-states faded after the declaration of independence, the expats to the New World would all become "American", and this phenemonen went further still. An average Caucasian person in present-day America is liable to be a complete melting pot of Germanic, Romanic, Celtic and Slavic backgrounds.
As an Austrian national who lived in the center of continental Europe during the late 1800s, mister Fallmerayer had a high probability of being of a mixed Germanic and Romanic heritage himself. That would have placed him in the same situation as that which he derided the Greeks of his time for.
This is one of many reasons why the white supremacy ideology is baffling, and silly. It advocates something which has not existed for two millenia, and is inevitably championed by individuals who lack the "ethnic purity" they fawn over. If their forebears did not see a reason to maintain their respective "purity", this likely was for a reason.
What is your point? You just proved that Fallmerayer was perfectly right, even if you don´t seem to get it.
Greeks and Turks know they have things in common. Hundreds of years inside an empire tends to do that.
It is Turks though that are in fact part Greek, not the other way around. It was a Ottoman empire, not a Greek one: Greek girls were brought to Turkish harems, not the other way around; Greeks switched to Islam and later absorbed into Turkey, etc etc.
It has almost always been a two-way street. Prior to the rise of the Ottoman Empire, present-day Turkey was the center of the Byzantine Empire and of the Christian world as a whole, meaning that the Byzantine Greeks - the descendants of ancient Greeks who lived on the Western coasts of Anatolia since times immemorial - intermixed with the forebears of present-day Turks before the Ottoman age.
This is compounded by the fact that the Byzantine Empire made extensive use of mercenaries from abroad, of which the Varangian Guard is perhaps the most famous example. The Varangian Guard was recruited mostly from Scandinavians and later from Anglo-Saxons, meaning that a number of people in the Near East who live in former Ottoman territories are very distantly related to Scandinavia and/or to England.
The point is that people have always, always mixed. It is a natural phenomenon of all times and places.
vice versa?
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
oooh boy here we go again. a few mental lightweights with titles of petty nobility in their recent past enough to pay for their 19th century tourism, go to greece and are shocked, even scandalized, to find that greeks do not ride around in chariots singing long poems to each other before they fight to the death in sword duels wearing bronze armor... and then decide that those must somehow be genetic attributes and that sadly the greeks must have all died out. Of course nobody with even a vague understanding of history woudl take such a moron seriously, but then such theories have indeed proven convenient for other mental lightweights with political agendas over the years - both in greece and elsewhere - to justify every sorg of atrocity. Now lets consider a very brief synopsis of the greek case in particular. I think everyone would agree that in 146 BC when pretty much all the greek cities were conquered by the roman republic (or joined a coalition with rome which resulted in de-facto occupation) , they were greeks. I think everyone will concede that the same people, speaking the same language, living the same culture, continued through the early principate and into the severan period, when a weird new religious craze spread through the empire, cetting evr more popular as the empire politically and economically succumbed to a deepening crisis driven in no small part by increasing corruption, centralization, strangulation by bureacracy and taxes, and other things we've know to fuck up pretty much any society in any place or time.. a few emperors reformed things from time to time and most of them only made it worse through their centralization, but this new religion was catching on like wildfire during hard times. There were a couple brief expeditions by famous barbarians that reached into the greek part of the world for a few months but the empire evicted them (they were much more successful in kicking the shit out of the western provinces and were the origin of modern spain, france, germany, etc) and meanwhile one of those reformer emperors moved the very capital of the roman empire east into the greek world because rome and the western provinces were played out, used up, and strategically poorly located. I think that everyone is in agreement that those people are still greek in , say, the time of justinian (first half of the 6th cent) , indicentally the last emperor to be a native speaker of latin. However by then anyone reading a history book would notice a serious shift in terminology. Simply _everyone_ had caught the religion bug. the word 'hellene' (greek) had taken on an entirely new meaning- it now implied a follower of the old pagan religion- as distinct from a christian. The concept of identity in the roman world at the time was seriously reconstructed. If you asked a man in 6th century Athens what he was, lets even say in 528 right before the aforementioned Justinian forced the famous and by then ancient Academy at Athens to close down because of its pagan teachings (and more proximal politics between individual academics who used political pull in the capital to eliminate in one swing a rival institution), you would most typically get a response from that man 'i am roman' , from 99.9% of the people (roman citizenship was conferred on everyone living under the empire three centuries before), and about 85% or so of them would most likely add the further identifier that 'i am christian'. (orthodox/catholic/etc distinctions did not really exist yet, and sectarian differences then really boiled down to politics between individual bishops). Very few would cal l themselves greek, because by then everyone, even those who were still into the old gods, reserved the word 'greek' for pagans and not christians.. and _everyone_ called themselves Romans which politically they all were. They would have told you that in greek, of course, and in a dialect of Greek that would resemble pretty well the attic dialect found in e.g. the bible (just to use an exmaple many modern people are familiar with, for a 6th century example, read Procopius). Now in the 7th century come the famous slavic invasions. The seventh century was a clusterfuck all around in the roman empire, with enormous wars with the persians and their avar (turkic steppe nomads enjoying their century of glory in the long succession of top tier steppe tribes) allies, resulting in a bloody fight to the death between the two empires which the roman empire happened to win under a (greek speaking) emperor named heraclius - who would also have called himself emperor of the Romans, and who was fanatically christian.. then right on the tail of that tiresome war came the new religious fad of islam in the southeast and also some opportunistic expansion of slavic tribes in the north (and some slipping of civilization in roman africa, and opportunistic independence of commanders of various parts of italy too) , all in all i think i mentioned the 7th century is a clusterfuck for the roman empire. In the balkans, one must bear in mind that greeks never settled much north of a zone that corresponds amazingly well with a line drawn between mesembria (today called burgas in bulgaria) on the black sea and dyrrachion (today called durres) on the adriatic - in Roman times, north of that line (actually a bit south of that line, one could broadly start the line between those two cities and then hold it about 100km in from the coast and you'll get a more accurate rendering) was latin-speaking and had seen a big infusion of roman colonization in the early empire through the granting of land to retired legionaries. Very few such grants occurred south of this line because, well, that region was populated by greeks, who the romans all else be told, simploy adored and were n perpetual cultural thrall to. They considered the non-greek peoples further to the norrth fair game for expropriation and colonization but they didn't even imagine 'colonizing' the greek world. (the word colonna was a latin term describing such a land grant and the military service that often accompanied it). Anyway the latin/greek line is well attested through the roman period (justinian himself was a native of Nis, roughly speaking modern belgrade, well north of the line, and romania today (partly roman Dacia) still speaks latin today). So, the balkans which had gotten their fair share of clobbering in those wars i mentioned, had seen a major influx in the 7th century of slavic farmers- the latin speaking population had been further decimated by an outbreak of bubonic plague (same as the 1340's black death) which struck the whole mediteranean world in the 540's and again several times into the 580s wiping up up to half the population. The latin zone 'north of the line' had always been more sparsely populated to begin with because frankly mediterranean civilizations and cultures didn't find it very appealing, which is one more reason they dumped such land on retired veterans instead of, say, selling or parcelling it off in big grants to senators like more mediterranean conquests (e.g. spain, souther gaul, northern africa). Back to the point. Indeed 'north of the line' there was an influx of slavs during the 7th century. And in some pockets south of the line there were slavic migrants as well. Indeed some were even settled in the morea (the common medieval term for the pelloponese), often as peasant labor on bigger estates which had seen a loss of labour in the plagues. Roman political control over any part of the balkans not very close to the sea and capable of resupply, was shaky in the darkest period of the big persian/avar and then moslem wars, and for that matter political control of much of the empire was shaky during that period as the centr struggled for survival. They did survive and did reestablish standard administration and in the 8th century the provinces (now called themes) are formally reestablished throughout the balkans south-of-the-line as well as south italy and sicily. Now this is where a lot of people get their pants in a twist. Are the people still greek? zomg, what happened in that 50 year interlude! strangely the population is still speaking greek after that interlude, the material culture shows the typical signs of economic chaos often accompanying political chaos, but shows no cbrupt change, there is no mention of any massive wipeout of one population to be replaced with another, the only thing that has happened is that imperial administration was at low ebb for a while and when it's re-established , of course the particular cities chosen as provincial capitals might be different (e.g. nikopolis was essentially abandoned and is population moved 20 miles to ambrakia and shortened the name to arta, while the province of nikopolis' capital was transferred 100 miles siuth to Nafpakto) but there is archaeologial continuity through the period almost everywhere anyone has bothered looking, and again, those people are continuing to speak greek throughout the region south-of-the-line just as before. Some pockets are exceptions and are well documented (often cited by the mental lightweights i mentioend far above, as the 'proof' of their argument as they ignore the 90% of the south-of-the-line where nothing changed at all). Curiously north-of-the-line slavic languages took hold and have been dominant ever since (though small pockets of Vlachs continued to speak latin as it evolved away from latin over all those centuries, even til today, throughout the north-of-the-line zone). So, beyond that critical second half of the 7th century, we see the greeks are still there or else magically a whole population fof purported invaders has replaced the original population whtout any noticeable change in meterial culture or language, in only 2 generations, and with no mention of it in any historical record. Pretty effing unlikely to say the least. Now given roman (often called byzantine but lets not forget that these people and everyone around them only used the term roman) political fortunes, the balkans are pretty stable for the next few centuries, with the exception of the newly founded bulgarian state. bulgarians (originally another turkic tribe under the avars, and not slavs at all) had been granted land south of the danube and north-of-the-line by an empire in the lowest point in the political and military clusterfuck years. The original idea was that they'd become foederatii and fight for the empire (they did to begin with) but they instead took to plundering the surrinding region and generally being a pain in the ass. They established an independent kingdom and under two energetic rulers, krum in the 800s and samuel (by now a thoroughly christianized and largely romanized country and ruler seeking to establish himself as roman emperor, actually!) around the turn of the millennium, managed to plunder, loot, and pillage large swathes of the balkans both nroth-of and south-of -the-line. Krum died victorious in battle but his successors were christianized and brought into the roman orbit by more sublte means. samuel was definitive crushed in a battle in 1018 by the emperor basil (called the bulgar-slayer) and all the balkans up to the danube and including pretty much all of former-yugoslavia as well, were brought back into the roman empire until the disintegration in 1204. but none of _that_ changed the demographics in any meaningful way either. The 800s after Krum saw the bulgarian upper class - who ruled over a predominantly slavic population, all converted to christianity and mixed with their slavic underlings such that they from then on speak slavic language themselves.. but the bulgars proper were only ever a thin upper crust of warrior-nobility over the slavic and post-roman north-of-the-line population anyway. odd again that the bulgarian languge died out (and today modern bulgarian is a slavic language) by the 800s, whereas south-of-the-line they continue speaking greek uninterrupted. Anyway the next point people get their paints in a twist is the ottoman empire. There, the moslem regime again divided the ppulation up by religion and from time to time there was strong pressure to convert to islam (but not always- before the 1600s it was sporadic, there was not an ovwewhelming direct pressure, but from the mid-17th century on towards the beginning of the 19th century, there were forced conversions, mass pressure to convert, expropriation of refusers, etc) and they labelled greek-epeaking christians 'romans' and put them under the political control of the bishop of constiantinople, they afforded similar treatment to the slavic-speaking christians north-of-the-line and put them under other religiously aligned rulers. In asia minor in the interior, the ethnic picutre was a mishmash from ancient times. The coastal parts of asia minor were indeed colonized by greeks from the bronze age onward, but 100 miles inland was about the most they bothered to settle because it's not coastal and mediterannean anymore. In the interior, they'd been hellenized culturally, adopted greek language, but they were a dozen ethnicities who were only really homogenized by centuries of roman rule. So in pre-1071 asia minor clear out to the frontier zone in what's today syria or armenia, you'd ask people what are you and you'd get the reply 'i am roman'.. by then 'roman' had become synonymous with christian, so people didn't bother giving the redundant second distinction. There weren't really any _non_christian romans by then. So the second place where people get their pants in a twist is the aftermath of the defath of the roman army in manzikert in 1071. A turkic adventurer named arp aslan took the emperor captive (the battle was incidentally lost due to a treachery which gives game theory today a problem called the 'byzantine generals problem') and after some negotiation ended up releasing him with several thousand turkic horsemen as an escort plus whatever was left of his army that had been taken prisoner. He was killed before he reached the capital, plunging the empire into a new clusterfuck which was the culmination of several decades of the most unimaginably corrupt political rot one could..imagine. even contemporary historials by the late 11th century couldnt help but realize that they had let the empire rot politically and that it eventually let to the military defeat. Anyway. In the ten years between 1071 and then finally a new emperor halting the disintegration coming to power in 1081, the central highlands of asia minor saw a major shift from christianity to islam. Whoa how did that happen so suddenly!! and the provincial capital of Ikonion is now the headquarters of a turco-persian mishmash of military adventurers and newly-made nobility who are now lording over peasants who themselves are beginning to convert to islam! wow! This was a partial demographic shift, insofar as the upper class was indeed largely replaced by moslems (who are called by roman sources, saracens, regardless of ethnicity, and who after the period of the crusades tend to all be called turks regardless of ethnicity) , who 'encouraged' the conversion to islam of the rest of the poulation, and at the same time, that population, of the rural interior of asia minor, had been bearing the worst burden of the previously mentioned clusterfuck of corruption and misrule of most of the 11th century, which was all of course bound up in the package deal of a christian roman political ideology. So, probably a lot of the peasants even willingly rejected the whole package and accepted islam. Curiously this phenomenon matches well demographically to regions which had been consolidated into huge etsates owned by absentee aristocrats in constantinople, administered by managers and abused by corrupt and greedy officials. The coastal regions of asia minor, which also were ethnically greek, later saw a similar correspondence between the indicence of large estates with absentee landlords, and the enthusiams of conversion to islam.. and the more immeidately coastal parts of asia minor, where the terrain doesnt lend itself to large estates (the typically greek ecosystem of mountainous littoral) the conversions to islam were curiously correspondingly rare such that coastal asia minor was still predominantly 'roman' until 1922 when the christians were forced out of asia minor by the treaty of sevres. So, these people who converted to islam, and the rest who did over the subsequent centuries, sooner or later adopted the language of the moslem upper class - a mishmash of turkic with tons of persian, arabic, and greek words mixed in - and if you asked those people 'what are you' you'd almost certainly get back the answer 'i am a muslim'. that does wonders for ethnography let me tell you. nevermind that all moslems were by now in the west called 'turks' regardless of ethnicity. So lets get to 1922. Kemal is now in power in a new turkish state created by that same treaty of sevres and all christians ('romans'still officially classifed by the ottoman state until that point in time) are expelled from asia minor. Most of the armenian christians had been massacred in preceeding decades in the eastern parts of asia minor (the armenian church being not entirely part of the orthodox church's org chart, the armenians were again a separate 'millet' under religion-obsessed ottoman administration) . Kemal now tells all these people, because he wnats to establish a secular dictatorship and does not want to remind people that their primary identity is 'moselm' that oh hey by the way people you are all TURKS didn't you know? and he forces through on pain of death a turkification of the very language and a total rewriting of all books and history and what-have-you and he pulls it off because his country is just in the right mix of illiteracy and still one-foot-in-the-middle-ages that they can be taught afresh a whole new story. And he pushes only gently on the religion thing so as to not piss them off all at once, and he wipes out all the old aristocracy for good measure. Kemal was a good obedient boy to the american world-empire and got plenty of political support from washington over the years for his version of ethnic history. But lets fast forward to the 70s and more recent time when this new science of genetics starts to show us some light about the composition of peoples in the region. Curiously a lot of people in the coastal regions of asia minor are indistinguishable from greeks - they are the descendants of the ones who converted to islam - and in the interior it's a whole smargasbord - and in the eastern parts its armenians, kurds, assyrians, with a smattering of other peoples who moved around individually under long years of e.g. roman, arab, and ottoman rule.. Now if someone, who knows hoe to do genetic studies well enough, but who lacks ths historical background to understand that 'turk' in asia minor is a creation of kemal and formerly a relgious, not ethnic, designation, he would come up with a thousand and one attempts to explain who the 'turks' of asia minor seem to have little in common with 'turks' of e.g. central asia, but seem to have a lot in common with e.g. greeks (it majorly depends on where the samples were taken!!) and all kinds of retarded theories can be foudned on _that_ as well. this is turnign into a short book. but lets wrap it up with the simple fact that politics of the 19th/20th century have tried to erase peoples on many occasions, and such attempts on greeks are just one of many attempts worldwide.
TL;DR
A bit of formatting might have held me.
haha oh look a downvote, i must have pissed off one of those mental lightweights :)
The mental lightweight here is you, if you are not able to make a point without spamming the thread. Probably "Greek".
spamming? could you please expand on that? the whole thread was indeed about some moronic politically motivated allusion that greeks are not greek, and my post was a small effort to explain with at least a very light synopsis a couple millenia worth of history compressed to address that ludicrous allusion. really, what is _your_ point, and could you back it up with even a tiny bit of , say, actual fact?
1. Todays Greeks are not the same people as those people called Greeks 2500 years ago.
2. Your "synopsis" is just the usual nationalistic Greek propaganda BS they teach at Greek schools.
3. That delusion of being some kind of "great nation" is one of the main reason why todays Greece is the third world rat hole that it is.
you still have failed to back up any of your assertions with actual facts.. only blowing more assertions. indeed, you seem to be very full of emotion about this, is there something psychologically difficult for you to accept in any of this? some insecurity of yours which you are trying to soothe by blasting baseless assertions (which by the way to anyone who does understand any history, only inspire laughter and derision) ?
I will give you the facts zuuuueri. You see Wolferl here is some frustrated Nazi whose grandfather got probably shot by a Greek partisan fighter. Or maybe he just went to Greece with his fat-arrogant-German-cunt-attitude and got cheated by the Cab driver. Or maybe the pretty Greek girl in bikini didn't like his white-socks-in-sandals-look down at Thessaloniki beach.
In any case, it is ludicrous that he is accusing YOU of Spam, whilst he shows up at E.V.E.R.Y. fucking thread about Greece, with nothing else to show and only posts "throw the Greeks out" and "lazy Greeks" arguments! He has never presented ANY facts and is probably some hateful Bavarian bretzel muncher that sits in some basement in the alps. Whilst YOU, my friend, took the time to at least write something up that is coherent and where I could learn a tidbit or two of history.
The last time the German timemachine compressed 1000 years into 13...this time they will make the development from First-world-country to Third-world-country in 13 MONTHS! Mark my words.
Stay strong. United Southern Europe.
Wow. That has GOT to be one of the best descriptions of the history of my "patrida" that I have ever read! Thank you from a Canadian born Greek, whose great great (great...not to sure how many) grand Uncle started the Greek revolution against the Turks (Paleon Patron Germanon) and on my father's side were Greek Jews in Thessaloniki, where my grandparents were born when it was part of Turkey, and where my grandmother spoke French and Ladino better than Greek (as when she was a child, the Turkish schools were pretty hopeless - so she went to l'ecole de l'alliance française).
As relatives told me, Greece since its glory, was a door mat for various invaders....I suppose the latest "EU" invaders are just that...the latest in a whole bunch over the centuries. And Greece will survive. And has had capital controls in the past. And not that long ago had a military dictatorship. And will survive. And the beauty of the land, the mountains and the sea will survive, as will the welcoming nature of the Greeks.
I was expecting the phrase
"... 'WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF AIDS' written on the mirror in lipstick..."
to appear in that text somewhere
sadly it didn't but I upvoted you anyway on principle
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Sorry, I cannot explain so many repeat posts. I tried to add the word historical to perspective
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different perspective of the region.
Thank you for an interesting and different historical perspective of the region.
It's kind of true. Most Greeks are ethnically Albanians.
What about you? You think that you are so pure and European? Dont you know that you are huns? You are so sad. Now just have a nice day you and your masonic bloody nation. Propaganda ftw.
Dawg, I aint no squib (had to look it up...). Plus, I got the ancestry.com reports to show it.
DNA composition to determine 'privileges'... we're going down that Gattaca path.
If DNA was done one every person in the US divorce lawyers would be very busy.
as would coroners
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
We live in the Gattaca path today. It's got to do with blood types and the assumption that a blood type creates X DNA profile as it's related to ancestry. It's why the kikes were collecting GenX foreskins and putting them into storage with the forced circumcisions during the 60's and 70's. Also one of the principal reasons of the cold war, it had literally nothing to do with nuclear technology. Had to do with operation paperclip, which had everything to do with genetics.
More specifically a certain gene type that had 'religious' qualities, think generation X. As in the CROSS. Massive involvement of different strategies for retrovirus recombinations while in the womb. The largest vaccination program ever developed to game the numbers of 100's of millions of people unaware they were guinea pigs. Problem being is church record keeping and storage were incredibly lousy a couple of thousand of years ago, throw in schisms and a tonne of dirtbags, things got pretty messed up. Didn't stop the people running the project though, even if they didn't truly understand what the DNA being used actually was. That DNA being all the DNA from dead saints and martyrs that were just lying around in tombs, pickle jars and reliquaries, even though the catacombs and storage were also known to contain bits of pagans that showed promise. Or even master criminals.
Laws were changed in the 1960's to force nearly all mothers into a hospital to accept 'treatment'. All manner of different techniques were used on the young couples of western populations. As an example, Thalidomide was marketed as a way to sell an "anti-nausea" solution for young mothers. The reality is the chemistry of the drug was built to allow an easier delivery of a 'change' through the placenta to allow a retrovirus to be placed, to 'add' a change, to the developing fetus to allow a recombinant DNA change in the womb. Unfortunately with horrific results, children born without arms, legs, torsos, heads.
The end result of that 'experiment'. Highest rates of autism in a single population reside in the western world from cooking their own children for nearly 70 years. High percentage are sterile as mules given the birth rates available. Most of the western world inherited a dumb, slow, unresponsive work force, planned for by religious nutcases in early part of the 1900th century that believed recreating the DNA of the past would bring 'peace on earth' and supermen/women (Generation Y). All it's done is increase ancillary social services budgets to deal with the mess.
Thank you brother CPL for that post - you are one of the best explainers of stuff.
I have some commentary to add to this. Recently I caught up with a middle/hi skool friend of mine, and her 'partner.' Friend is in radiology, and partner is PhD psyche-all-o-gist, both 'good', sweet girls. Both expressed extreme disdain, disapproval, and digust for the idea of people not being vaccinated with the latest shit. The pysches don't accept 'patients' who are not vaccinated. People who question the relationship between vaccines and autism are retarded and bass-ackwards, apparently. "Studies show that..." The Disneyland incident was also mentioned.
What about Monsatan?, I asks. Glyphosate --> Autism. No arguing there. Okay, so we've identified at least one evil conglomerate who is pushing malevolent mutations on humans. These soon-to-be-statist-warriors cannot extrapolate there may be more than one entity perpetrating this shit.
We talked about other things as we chowed on the GMO veggies on our plates. One of those other things discussed was the SF Bay Area housing bubble. Rents gone up like mvthrfvker... old lady in their apartment complex who has lived in the damn building for 42 years having to oust herself out of unaffordability. I mention the dirty foreign money and the rich local [foreigners] driving up the bids/prices to retard levels. Apparently there are now 'startups' that implement shared-housing-finance. An overseas 'sponsor' who owns the place is the landlord, and you the local serf, can co-own the property with the overseas investor, slowly paying him/her/it off.
Guess you gotta be heavily sedated to be fucked from umpteen different angles and not feel a thing.
Released now to create a desired effect!
Yep, it's almost like the Germans are trying to make sure Greece can't make a deal now!!
(Cough, cough)
Crazy talk like this, so well timed, is a signal to someone to do something!!
What and when, remains to be seen!
So will Europe finally close the doors to Muslim boat people then?
Islam is living on borrowed time in Europe anyway. After the first WMD attack by Muslims on a major European city there won't be any Muslims left in any of the Slavic countries. After the second, there won't be any left in the Germanic countries. After the 3rd, well, there won't be any French or English people left in those radioative Islamic wastelands anyway.
Bet the Caribs wished that they'd turned away Columbus and his boat people. Nothing but Eurotrash.
are those the same WMD that Saddam supposedly had? I guess Americans finally found them and are gonna put them to god use huh?
This is not for the average Josef SixPack other than to rile them to defense of the Elite Master Race (and people call the Japanese xenophobic).
And some human beings are not really human at all. Is that what the Krauts are alluding to?
The notion that negroids are the same as whites is laughable and sickening.
Is that the only tune you know? It's got a lousy beat and you can't dance to it.
Of course you can't dance to it - whitey got no ryddm
No two individuals are "the same". Suprematism is yet another collectivism.
I want to see some stories on the khazars from khazaria since we are going down this road.
The khazars are here but the bulgars are there?
Seems backwards.
And "what is a Turkomen" again?
It's all very complicated all of a sudden.
I feel like I need another drink.
Is that an Islamic Horde? Well...before the USA does anything this time around yull need to fill out form 204-b, complete subsection d-1a, submit addendum 14/l Part B...in duplicate...and with a witness, use proper postage and send to proper address and addressee wherepon..
Well it's a start - one step closer to rounding up the real culprits, again...
Well those dirty german nazis went everywhere and infected everyone with their putrid inbred gene pools.... same with the turks.
The germans and the turks ruined the gene pools of europe, it will take 100s of thousands of years to correct German and Turkish Gene corruption, it will happen since the inferior Genes naturally degrade over-time, but its a slow healing process.
That being said, we can jump start the process by sterilizing everyone at the Build-a-burglar conference, we definitely dont want anymore of those genes spreading.
(Rolls Eyes)
http://www.troll.me/images/crazy-eyes/eye-rolling-level-expert.jpg
The sad thing is genes can be built, removing and replaceing is a known science. How long before its a commonly practiced one to hide or mimic race. Race may cease to have any evolutionary meaning.
Add what ever trait you like or remove whatever trait you want.
GMO people for a GMO world.
Rachel Dolezal will be so pleased.
Genetic testing seems overly-complicated and expensive.
If you want to subject your nation to a failed experiment of a supra-national foreign power (the EU) and pretty much give up your sovereignty, then the test should be:
Because if you have opposable thumbs, you should be smart enough to refrain from creating yet another layer of easily-usurped government above and beyond the one you're responsible for and can control.
Only those citizens without opposable thumbs should be allowed to endlessly create more and more levels of useless government above themselves to fix problems with the ones that already exist.
How can I be so sure about this? Because I live in the United States, where few have the intelligence to refrain from creating more laws and layers of government to fix problems with the existing ones. Which never works, yet is continuously resurrected as some kind of solution. My new constitution will prohibit - as one of it's most basic tenets - more than two layers of government. TPTB can spend they're time corrupting those two - that's all they get and that's all I can protect from them with pitchforks and torches (and wood-chippers).
Ah, the old false dichotomy of supposedly opposable thumbs canard!
I would point out your slothful induction on the back of my wood-chipper canard, but then I would have to employ a rather obvious composition and division strategy to confuse the population of three-toed sloths without opposable thumbs with four-toed sloths which OBVIOUSLY have opposable thumbs.
I'm really not sure if sloths even have thumbs - I've never seen one texting, therefore...
Just to make sure, I Googled for an image of a sloth's thumbs. This is one of the first ones to come back.
Yeessss! A new wallpaper for the work computer. This should scare the hell out of my co-workers (along with the live grenade I use as a paperweight).
Just kidding, ATF. Please don't kill my dog.
Freaky! Most folks prefer lust themed wallpaper to sloth themed wallpaper but still an interesting choice.
I played both the three-toed slots and the four-toed slots in Vegas with equal disappointment. Proof positive that they're two sides of the same coin.
I hope they were legal - it's hard to tell with sloths.
Errr... or so I'm told...
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for Sheldon Adelson, unfortunately.
If you're going to have laws, place stringent requirements on having them read in front of quorum of the legislative body that is to pass them, have an automatic sunset clause on ALL laws, and do not let any legislative body delegate authority to pass laws. Some problems won't get solved with that approach, but it's better than the problems that have been created by not following that approach. Then we can see how long cronies last if the legislature has to choose between making homicide illegal and making some complex POS set of regulations that benefite the cronies and fuck everybody else. I would encourage them to pass the crony law and ignoring the homicide law to see what it get's em.
Sounds resonable El Vaquero, but you know psychopaths... they'll think of some way around it.
I'm more inclined to mandate that a large, rusty but fully-functional wood-chipper be postioined right in front of a government legislative body buildings as a constant reminder to the psychopaths inside that they are suppose to be working on our behalf. Every Thursday at 2 P.M., the wood-chipper is to be started and tested for functionality with a couple of large logs (or fat lobbyists - your choice). The chipping noise should be able to be heard throughout the building as yet another reminder for the consequences of serving the wrong masters.
Psychopaths and control freaks are the reason that we cannot not have a government. If we're going to have a eugenics program, I would suggest a sure fire test for psychopaths, sociopaths and narcisists. You supply the wood chipper.
Psychopaths and control freaks are the reason why we do have government. No sane individual would suggest that his right to live productively and without threat of theft and violence can only be protected by an institution specifically designed to and empowered by the use theft and violence against him.
All I'm alluding to is that we have some choices: Kill the psychos, sociopaths, narcissists, or set up a government that they at least have to work really hard to circumvent the safetys put into place, or just wait, in which case they'll set up their own government. It's a world of shitty choices there. There is a reason that I am very strongly against any monopoly on the use of force. While I'm not a fan of empire or of some of their laws, I kind of like the Roman way of prosecuting crimes. Somebody wronged your family? YOU drag their asses to court and YOU prosecute them. And the punishment for a magistrate taking bribes to affect the outcome of a case was death.
"...All I'm alluding to is that we have some choices: Kill the psychos, sociopaths, narcissists, or set up a government that they at least have to work really hard to circumvent the safetys put into place, or just wait, in which case they'll set up their own government. It's a world of shitty choices there..."
I agree... these were the precise shitty choices the founding fathers had a couple of hundred years ago. The one-month ship journey ruled out the first option and forced them into the second. We have both options today, yet sit on our asses waiting for the usurped voting process and corrupted justice to produce a miracle - despite it's failure to do so for the last hundred years or so.
I blame the sugary cereal and color TV. I've never been the same since...
The colonists started getting a little pissy back in the 1730s. Just a little. It wasn't until the 1760s that they really started to get mad. And it took another decade before they did anything about it. Loan wolf actions will not fix this, and there currently does not exist a minimum critical mass of people willing to change things, and there won't be until more people are violently ripped from the matrix.
Texas actually gives me reson for hope. Which is kind of bizzare in and of itself, but I'll take what I can get.
Blame it on Genghis Khan.
The guy that tortured and mutilated all those Vietnamese?
I thought that was Lyndon Johnson.
Damn dude, you're on fire today!
We'll be here all week. Try the spam and don't forget to tip your Tyler.
And oddly enough, the Vietnamese used the same resistance tactics against us as they did the Mongols.
ROFLMAO! Well, France will have to be kicked out and Britain will never be allowed to join then, 20% Middle Eastern DNA.
Not sure where Germany is at, but they do like that cheap Turkish labor.
Boys will be Boys
Germans will be Germans
German boys will be Hitlerjugend.
Germans. Tsk,tsk.
Isn't it just awesome that we aren't allowed to discuss certain things. I'm so glad the government and media are protecting me from "evil-think". Imagine how awful the world would be if there was free exchange of ideas that would sink or swim based on their own merit.
WTF is going on in Germany these days?? Are they still pissed about Hitler or being spanked by the world twice? Whatever it is, they need to come correct and soon. Maybe they just need a different water source. Peeing on each other is not a water source.
Germans aren't stupid enough to look at what's happening in America, Britain, Sweden, Denmark, France, etc. and go, "yea, I want SOME OF THAT."
They are the EU so they are what is happening in the rest of Europe....and by extension, the US. They have always been a little different though...and I have German heritage.
I did fail in my previous comment...I failed to remember that this is Sunday, right after church. Will adjust future comments accordingly - my Saturday night opinion will need to be different from my Sunday one.
You think Deutschland is a sovereign nation? LOL that's cute.
You need to have fascism in Europe to start ww3
Perhaps they are tired of swallowing whole, history as written by the New York and London bankers blaming them for all of the murders of the 20th century. The reality is much more complicated and much of the blame lies at the doorstep of the Western powers in their century old effort to enslave the Germans and rule the world (something not working out so well as the moment).
"I may not like what you have to say, but I'll defend your right to say it to the death"
What's good for Israel is good for all.
Africa for Africans. Asia for Asians. Central and South America for mixed blood "Hispanics." White countries FOR EVERYONE.
Anti-racist is code for anti-white.
The Greeks today are NOT the Greeks of ancient times, that's simply a fact so why get your knickers in a twist over it? Many Greeks will happily tell you this themselves. I suggest those people angry by this fact pick up a history book or better still stay away from adult topics!
it is a new plot to tell people that there is second rate humans and we must kick out Greece from Europe.
Someone was bound to stand up against the global genocide of all whites eventually. Not surprisingly, it might just be Germany (again).
WW3 = whatever remaining white Europeans are left vs. the Islamic nations of France, Spain, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands, Turkey, and the United Caliphate formerly known as the United Kingdom.
Yo my 7th grade teacher, Mr. Kenyawazi (that was his Muslim name I think) said the Egyptians were black as coal and had telepathic powers and space travel until whitey stole errythang and dats why whitey be devil. Also, whitey snuck into all the Egyptian ruins and made the Pharohs and egyptians lighter skinned than all their nubian slaves in order to fool the world.
Tutankhamen DNA?
http://io9.com/why-king-tuts-dna-is-fueling-race-wars-1539130793
Cool. Now we can definitively prove that modern Israelis are descendants of the diaspora Hebrew tribes, right?
Ditto for the Ashkenazis, who purport to act as guardians of Judaism.
No matter, let's use DNA testing. And while we're at it, let's determine if non-Natives have a legitimate claim to North, Central or South America.
In case I have to spell it out... Possession is 95% of the law, not ancient entitlement. Look to Nature as a guide.
Except every white territory on Earth is being flooded with non-white invaders and we're all supposed to just sit back, smile, and accept it.
Might makes right, unless you're white.
DNA Obomba .... he's not a real Nig-er .... and his intellect is definitely an averaged down quotient !
The Scientific Evidence—Twelve DNA Studies Which Disprove the “Khazar Theory”
http://davidduke.com/rethinking-khazar-theory/
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.560128
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/09/exponential-growth-of-ashke...
Older ancient Greeks .... were Dorian Grey ?
Lets take this a little further.
DNA clearly shows - as Israel confirms - that DNA shows that most modern day israelis have no or minute semite connection to the western edge of Palestine.
That they are Khazars from the Russian Caucasus.
If we are going to start worrying about the DNA of nations I suggest in the cause of world peace we start with Israel and sort that out - DNA wise.
"...That they are Khazars from the Russian Caucasus..."
I KNEW it. It's that rascally PUTIN's fault after all!
Where's the satellite imagery? He's not getting away with his fiendish Israeli plan THIS time...
good thing that wasn't about da jooz 'cause dat woulda been bad
Muslim slave traders sold the blacks .... to evil slave traders .... who sold them at auction in the New World .... but, the Jews financed the business ? LOL
If Greeks are sub-human .... then their debt must be reduced .... to 5/8 ths of it's current amount !
What a bunch of bullshit...
Think I am going fishing and enjoy the sun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Take your sun blocker .... so you don't change your DNA !
I think you might be onto something, luckylogger.
Montana Boy: Bones Show Ancestral Links to Europe
http://www.spiegel.de/international/dna-analysis-shows-native-americans-...
"They haven't produced evidence to refute the Solutrean hypothesis," said geneticist Stephen Oppenheimer of Oxford University, a leading expert on using DNA to track ancient migrations. "In fact, there is genetic evidence that only the Solutrean hypothesis explains."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/12/us-science-native-americans-or...
Tens and tens of millions of lives went down the crapper because of Kraut shenanigans in the 20th century.
And their cars are overrated as well.
Obviously the author of this Zerohedge-article is (or was...) living in Germany as well ("German English").
Probably Greek background and an "antifant" - this means a member of the so called "Antifa" - most of them are failed existences: A German hater or Greek nacionalist (...they are very popular in Greece and part of the government coaliton - in Germany since many decades unthinkable).
I'm critisizing "Welt-Online" (Axel Springer Group) for many things - but not for being "Nazis". It's irresponsible to blame this newspaper to be a "Nazi-propaganda". It was "licensed" - or to put it simply - founded by the allies after WW2 with the objective of denazification. The basic principles can be checked under http://www.axelspringer.de/artikel/Grundsaetze-und-Leitlinien_40218.html
After WW-II Axel Springer dedicated his life for a new education of German people. His publishing house is often critizised to be an Anglo-American mouthpiece - and not focused on national interests. In fact the publishing company "Axel Springer" works closely together with transatlantic think thanks. Axel-Springer medias defeat each approach of supposed right wing parties and they are often reproached to equate critics of Anglo-American hegemony with Nacism and to put newcoming parties (competing with established parties) under general suspicions of right-wing extremism. Something which works - in contrast to Greece - very effecively in Germany to disappear fast from the political stage (...even as result of many decades of exactly of this "Springer media-politics").
It's ridiculous to reinterpret the mentioned Springer article for anti-German propaganda purposes. Springer is something like a guarantor for German tolerance. And to be honest: I don't understand that Zerohedge is providing a forum or "stage" to this level of "articles" (...or personal hate).
Last not least remember: Even the old Roman called the Greek "people from the Levantine" - a forecourt to Orient. Many of them - according to old Roman records - were married with oriental women - and they used already to negotiate in an oriental manner.
Many people in Germany (...without nationalist ulterior motives...) nowadays perceive Greeks like a mixture of Turk Orient, Albanien, Kosovo (which is historically fact....) - as well as Sinti and Roman. But this is just an empiric sentiment.
That is simply not true. I read DIE WELT every day, mostly to go to the comment section and get a feeling about the "temperature" that is running in Germany. I speak better German than many Germans and can attest that, at least the comment section is full of racists and old/new Nazis. The readership is the same as for the BILD-Zeitung.
Now, you as a German, appear here and you want to perpetuate the same censorship that factually exists in the German press. There is not ONE single comment that I wrote, explaining the Greek crisis that was approved. All deleted. As long as you go there and bash Greeks and consider everybody in South Europe as lazy bastards you will be fine.
I am glad that ZEROHEDGE is giving us the platform to discuss the shit that is going on in Germany. "Articles" (personal hate?) What you are writing applies to DIE WELT only. Axel Springer are the same cunts that produce the toilet paper called BILD. BILD is the most racist and bigoted newspaper in Germany. They could as well put a big German Eagle on the front page and a Swastika too. Looks the same to foreigners that look at that paper.
Read the comment section in DIE WELT. Ignorant EURO-haters that don't understand economics and just want to spend holidays in Italy and drink beer. They don't care if the rest of Europe is burning to ashes, as long as Mallorca lets them get drunk and piss on the streets. Germany will lose again. The Fourth Reich wouldn't last 6 months - not with the pampered X generation!
And you wonder that WELT didn't print your comments?
It doesn't surprise me anyway ("fourth Reich", "Swastika"-accusations etc..")...that's not the level even in BILD-Zeitung.
But for people who don't read - but talk - here are the 5 basic principles of the Springer publishing house:
UnternehmensgrundsätzeDie fünf gesellschaftspolitischen Unternehmensgrundsätze, 1967 von Axel Springer formuliert, nach der Wiedervereinigung 1990 geändert und 2001 ergänzt, sind Bestandteil der Unternehmenssatzung. Sie beschreiben ein freiheitliches Weltbild:
At least pont 1-4 you should read. (Source: Springer-Homepage: http://www.axelspringer.de/artikel/Grundsaetze-und-Leitlinien_40218.html)
Listen - I blame BILD for many things - but not for being a right-wing-newspaper. To the contrary. Newspaper like "BILD" use to work with all possible psychological methods to control folk and to take wind out of the sales of critical political discussions. "Complaining air" is sometimes a"neccesarry" part of this strategy to remain credible and not loose control.
BILD always pretends to be "the voice of the simple folk" but all reflective people know it's a sophisticated tool which pursues 100 percent economic leaders (...and the wealthies...) interests, inter alia by preventing each form of totalitarianism (...at least outside neoilberal totalitarianism - but that's another topic...), socialism etc..., which somehow could jeopardizes export-interests and/or the "friendship ribbon" with the (neoliberalism protecting power...) USA.
As export-nation German exporters (...and it's established puppets in parliaments...) relay on prevention players like BILD. A controlling propaganda medium like "BILD" is a highly efficient way to ensure that - e. g. by channeling anger and resentments inside defined limits to fight each upcoming tendency/partie of right wing extremism in advance.
With other words: Today BILD acts like a (substitution-)platform for each kind of complains: Today one step forward by allegedly confirming "growing public anger" in order to step back next day (...and weeks) to relativize the criticised issues and explain...simple (...hard working...) folk is leaded like children by the hand of an paternalistic, neoliberal background-voice.
This is the way the German puppets and it's democracy-bypassing branch (named "Europe") in Brussels keep afloat over decades and which anyway enabled Angela Merkel (CDU/CSU) to win the elections and thus legitimacy for new (lost) bailout packages. Without of BILD-support the previous aid for Greece (...and bankers...) would hardly have been thinkable...
Forget the Nazi slant on genetics and read the "Bell Curve" By Shockley and Herrnstein (Harvard) and learn why Germany and Japan rose after WW2 from the ashes and why Israel is per capita the smartest group on the planet. Greece was broke then and broke now learn why. Why do certain areas in the USA wth huge per student money outlays still fail? Why was Weequahic high school in Newark for a time in the 1960's the highest achieving high school in the country when the students were children of immigrants and poor? Then became one of the lowest in a short 10 years?
The left hates science when it detroys the myth that everyone is the same and proves that groups have genetically based achienvemnt levels. Greece will always be broke and have no place in the Eurozone except to sheild the big banks from having to write off huge bad loans. Sell the place to Disney for a theme park and have them run it.
The Bell Curve isn't rigorous science, it's people who knew little about the complexity of cognition cherry picking to get to the racialist conclusion they wanted going in.
It is Potemkin science, performed with a political/ideological agenda.
This isn't to say that there isn't a substantial genetic component to the brain, hence cognition, hence intelligence, only that 20 minutes of internet searching should reveal the substantial criticisms of "The Bell Curve" - by people with backgrounds more aligned to the issue.
How intelligence {which is a construct - a better one is Gardner's "multiple intelligences"} is measured, cultural bias, environmental-developmental factors, nutrition, poverty, stress/cortisol, family unit integrity, wealth, schooling, nutrition, and many other factors prevent a simple "some ethnic groups are "smarter" than others" conclusion.
In fact, while it is stupid to claim there is no genetic influence on what-we-call "intelligence" - the idea that the contours of this influence versus other factors is at all clear is quite simply false.
But you have arrived at your conclusion, it seems.
I regard it as the place you got tired of thinking.
MRI studies, Trans-Racial Adoption studies, Racial Admixture studies, and Regression to Racial Mean findings, all essentially eliminate cultural/environmental factors and biases and demonstrate that Average General IQ differentials are primarily due to genetics. In addition to IQ scoring, there are also dozens of physiological and psychological "life-trait" metrics which show clear racial differentials.
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/Race-differences-in-average-...
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
Stephen J. Gould was found to be entirely wrong in his fraudulent "Mismeasure of Man" data.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/science/14skull.html
Racial crime data parallels the racial IQ patterns.
http://www.colorofcrime.com/2005/10/the-color-of-crime-2005/
http://newobserveronline.com/nonwhite-crime-apocalypse-envelops-new-york...
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/crime_a...
Bell Curve debunked:
http://mdcbowen.org/p2/rm/debunk/dBell.htm
http://www.slate.com/articles/briefing/articles/1997/01/the_bell_curve_f...
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/17/opinion/l-debunking-bell-curve-647608....
http://www.salon.com/2014/03/18/paul_krugman_demolishes_charles_murrays_...
"Why do certain areas in the USA wth huge per student money outlays still fail?"
1) Just because FRNs are being spent does not mean that they are being spent wisely. Everybody has their own little silver bullet program, which costs money, and is never kept in place long enough to see if it will work. Not only are our school systems places for petty politics to rule the day, they're always in flux with "the latest and greatest" methods. There is little continuity.
2) The largest factors in how well a school will do on average have little to do with the teachers or the administration. It is demographics. People want to blame poverty or ethnicity. By themselves, they have little to do with school performance. Poor white kids don't do that much worse than average. Minority kids don't do that much worse than average. The groups that generally do poorly are both poor and minority. This is cultural. A poor hispanic gang member is typically not going to do very well in school, because they don't give a shit, and nor do the parents, who are probably also gang bangers.
3) We, as a society, cannot even agree what we want kids to get out of the school system.
DNA? Who is the first here with the Godwin?
Hmmm does this mean they're gonna order some extra large ovens?
The Germans pursuing a racial theory. Thing are bound to get interesting.
If Greeks are sub human ,how does one classify the hearless robotic german species.
....at least if you are so simpleminded to believe what this German hater is interpreting in an article of a publishing house which is highly regarded as an Anglo-American mouthpiece (guided by shared principles and shared values of transatlantic think thanks ---> http://www.axelspringer.de/artikel/Grundsaetze-und-Leitlinien_40218.html) with the general objectiv of tolerance between folks and anti-national policies.
What is German for "sarcasm?"
For what it's worth I suspect that today's Greeks are direct descendants of the ancient Greeks for two reasons.
Firstly, Greeks have always squabbled between themselves and I mean ALWAYS.
Secondly, if the ancients were in fact conquered and wiped out it seems strange that the language has survived.
Then again it is also clear that Germans have always been German given that barbarity has always been a feature of their life and the Jewish people can attest to that as can the Greek people follwoing their honourable stay in Greece during WWII. And that may well explain why the Germans have accepted so many Turks into their country given that the Turks have also have a great history of barbarity.
The more important criterion would be whether we qualify as human beings who aspire to something higher or whether we are worse than animals who seek to conquer and squander.
While some people would pit race against race, I would humbly suggest that as human beings the more important race is the race against time and stupidity which threaten to overwhlem us and our planet.
I regularly write in the comment section of the RIGHT WING-NSDAP newspaper called DIE WELT. It is funny, whenever I write in favour of the Southern European States or against the Banking scammers (factul and often citing stuff from Zerohedge), they delete my comments. It is consistent and regular. And yet, the comment section is full of racist, homophobic and bigoted comments. Comments that you would hear on a typical German Octoberfest tent full of drunk Neo-Nazis.
Finally I can come to a place of freedom, where comments are not censored (or so do I hope). To that cunt of author - Mr. Berthold Seewald - who wrote this piece of shit:
Du bist eine dreckige Nazi-Sau und Dein Tag wird kommen! (You are a dirty Nazi-Pig and your day will come!)
Germany showing - again - their best face. Today some CSU cunt wants to close the borders again. Germany has lost this - again - because they are Americas and Banksters boot lickers. Nothing more. Now, go back to the Mercedes production line and send us SOUTHERN EUROPEANS the FUCKING EUROS that you should be sending our way. We need to buy more vino.
Holocaust, Holocaust, Holocaust. Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. We don't have such things on Q99X2. People are strange.
My dad's side of the family is from Prussia. Can I be part of the EU?
Bring your German shepherd dog as proof.
Lol but that EU currently allow open borders and free inflow of emigrants from practically anywhere is fine, dear Welt?
Are the Italians and Spanish good enough Herr Flick?
Are the Italians and Spanish good enough Herr Flick of the Gestapo ?
there sorted.
"Apart from the fact that Germany sent to death 16 millions in the WWI and 50-85 millions in the WWII, thus disturbing the German ideal of Heile Welt, the perfect idyllic world of tranquility and ignorance for a couple of years."
To the author:
Really, Germany started WW1? It actually was Britain. The Berlin Baghdad railroad threatened to create a National Power in the heart of Europe, and the paranoid "sea power" could not stand for that. England under Churchill had already converted her ships to oil burners and wanted to protect the oil fields in Basra, to thus continue to power project and have most commerce go by sea. This was so England could continue her empire. England took rents in the form of transportation, she moved goods from place to place and took her cut. The railroad was going to cut her out of her gains. Also, Germany was out-producing England in terms of quality goods. Let's not forget that England became parasitized in 1694 by the Bank of England, a private debt spreading bank.
Here is a good book to read...so you can release your mind from false constructs. It is by a Hungarian and discusses the period leading up to WW1, so you cannot point fingers and say it is German propaganda:
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/birinyi.htm
With regards to WW2, again the same forces, only this time metastasized into Banksterism and Bolshevism. Most alert and aware people know that Bolshevism/Collectivism and Banksterism are dialetics of the money power. Germany had the temerity to try and break free.
Yes, Germany used racial constructs in order to try and break free, but ALL RACES ARE RACIST. It is just NOT OK to be a White racist. This sort of propaganda that it is NOT OK to be a white racist is skull fuck propaganda, and trusting white people accept it. Northern white people evolved high trust societies by surviving the ice ages, where they had to work together.
This sort of inversion of reality needs to stop. If white, particularly northern european whites feel like they have a unique genome, built up over millenia, then they should be able to perserve it. Countries and tribes should be able to remain sovereign. Nations are extended families and it is well recognized natural law that people groups should have the right to assemble and group together. This notion was codified in U.S. constitution till it was overturned by the Civil Rights Act. How did the Civil rights act work out for White American's? They are forced to continuously flee in something called "white flight."
With regards to Germany starting WW2, the author should read Icebreaker, again another book written by a non-german. While the causes are more complex than Suvarov expounds, it neverthless shines new light on Germany's innocence, and a negative light on the "West." Let's not forget the West is parasitized, and it doesn't act in its own best interests. A fully parasitized host will do the parasites bidding, even to the point of suicide. America became fully parastizied in 1912 with Wilson and bankster funded "progressive era."
Perhaps the Germans are choosing not to commit racial suicide? Is that racist? If the Greeks are not of the German family, shouldn't German's have the right to refuse interlopers? The same goes for Muslim interlopers into Northern European countries; why accept them if they cannot be assimilated?
Most Northern Han peoples (Koreans, Japanese, Chinese) assimilate well into north european cultures, and little to no racism is being directed at them. Perhaps there is something to the Southern European and Eastern European tribes that the Germans are rightfully afraid of.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdf_books/icebreaker.pdf
All countries should be sovereign, and use their own damn money. All money is law, and that means local law under jurisdication of a people group. Unique people groups should not be forced to mix with aliens if they do not want to.
The Euro is a false construct, and to have Germans claim it as their own, is also wrong.
Do the Greeks want to turn their islands over to North Africans, who arrive by boatloads? I think not, so again the author is not being even handed with respect to the Germans.
Greece started this shit .... with their reparations crap .... we all have skeletons .... in our historical closets !
Like we need confirmation from this article that nazism is alive and well in Germany--just visit this comment section and all others where Greece is concerned. Some are obvious and most are thinly veiled. Piss them off a little and they gladly let loose what they really want to say: their nazi bile.
Goths, visigoths, avars, vandals and the rest germanic tribes etc etc. Where they came from? (Asia) they have nothing to do with European GrecoRoman culture. Come on.