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NATO Goes "Back To The Future", Will Store Tanks, Heavy Weapons Near Russian Border

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As the presidential race heats up in the US, Republicans are set to make foreign policy a major campaign issue with Vladimir Putin serving as the quintessential example of what happens when The White House looks to ‘appease’ a head of state bent on the illegitimate expansion of national borders by violating the sovereignty of his neighbors. 

The extent to which that characterization of Russia’s recent actions in Eastern Europe approximates reality almost doesn’t matter. Voters in the US are notoriously naïve and even if they weren’t (i.e. even if the American public adopted a healthy level of skepticism towards Russophobic campaign rhetoric), the idea of Russia as the antithesis of Western democratic values is so deeply rooted in the American conscious that a resurgent Moscow will likely always be viewed as a threat by the majority of ballot box-bound Americans. This means that any US president who seeks to “reset” relations with the Kremlin takes an enormous political risk, because when things go wrong — as they have recently — political rivals will leap at the chance to point to deteriorating US-Russia relations as proof that Washington should forever and always adopt a hardline stance towards Moscow. 

Recently, the Obama administration has seemingly given up on the ill-fated Russian “reset.” Whether The White House’s increasingly aggressive stance is an attempt to help pave the way for Hillary Clinton’s presidential bid (presumably Clinton could deflect criticism by pointing to Democrats’ toughening stance towards Moscow as evidence that when military realities trump political idealism, the Obama administration was quick to “reset” the “reset,” so to speak) or simply proves that when push comes to shove and post-USSR unipolarity is threatened, US presidents will ultimately abandon all pretenses that American foreign policy isn’t based on the projection of military might, is debatable but one thing is clear: the US and NATO are preparing for a full scale escalation of hostilities in Eastern Europe.

As the NY Times reports, Washington is now looking to store heavy weapons in close proximity to the Russian border in what looks like some of the most aggressive sabre rattling to date. Here’s more:

In a significant move to deter possible Russian aggression in Europe, the Pentagon is poised to store battle tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other heavy weapons for as many as 5,000 American troops in several Baltic and Eastern European countries, American and allied officials say.

 

The proposal, if approved, would represent the first time since the end of the Cold War that the United States has stationed heavy military equipment in the newer NATO member nations in Eastern Europe that had once been part of the Soviet sphere of influence. Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the war in eastern Ukraine have caused alarm and prompted new military planning in NATO capitals.

 

It would be the most prominent of a series of moves the United States and NATO have taken to bolster forces in the region and send a clear message of resolve to allies and to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, that the United States would defend the alliance’s members closest to the Russian frontier..

 

(US troops in Poland)


The amount of equipment included in the planning is small compared with what Russia could bring to bear against the NATO nations on or near its borders, but it would serve as a credible sign of American commitment, acting as a deterrent the way that the Berlin Brigade did after the Berlin Wall crisis in 1961.

 

“It’s like taking NATO back to the future,” said Julianne Smith, a former defense and White House official who is now a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security and a vice president at the consulting firm Beacon Global Strategies.

 

The “prepositioned” stocks — to be stored on allied bases and enough to equip a brigade of 3,000 to 5,000 soldiers — also would be similar to what the United States maintained in Kuwait for more than a decade after Iraq invaded it in 1990 and was expelled by American and allied forces early the next year.

 

“We need the prepositioned equipment because if something happens, we’ll need additional armaments, equipment and ammunition,” Raimonds Vejonis, Latvia’s minister of defense, said in an interview at his office here last week.

 

“If something happens, we can’t wait days or weeks for more equipment,” said Mr. Vejonis, who will become Latvia’s president in July. “We need to react immediately.”

Mark Galeotti, a professor at New York University who has written extensively on Russia’s military and security services, noted, “Tanks on the ground, even if they haven’t people in them, make for a significant marker”..

 

We have to transition from what was a series of temporary decisions made last year,” said Heather A. Conley, director of the Europe Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

 

The idea of moving prepositioned weapons and materials to the Baltics and Eastern Europe has been discussed before, but never carried out because it would be viewed by the Kremlin as a violation of the spirit of the 1997 agreement between NATO and Russia that laid the foundation for cooperation.

Here's a look at the military capabilities of regional NATO member states...

...and the following graphic shows where the US has bases and also where NATO and Russian nukes are positioned...

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This most recent NATO escalation comes as Ukraine's fragile ceasefire quickly falls apart amid what Kiev claims are advances by rebel tanks. Ukraine's Russian separatists contend the recent upsurge in violence began when their positions came under artillery fire from Ukrainian troops. As for where the situation is headed, we'll close with a quote from former supreme allied commander of NATO James G. Stavridis:

"This is a very meaningful shift in policy [but] nothing is as good as troops stationed full-time on the ground, of course.”

 

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Sun, 06/14/2015 - 13:47 | 6195687 -.-
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Paul Krugman says, "Good for economy."

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 13:49 | 6195692 Publicus
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So the rebels can take them

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 13:52 | 6195700 Divine Wind
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I remember during the election in 2008 when Romney was made to look like a fool
because he stated that Russia would be one of the leading threats in the near future.

Instead, we got Barry.

The irony is laughable.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:02 | 6195733 NihilistZero
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He was wrong. Much like Barry, Romney would have been the leading threat to the nation as ANY Team Red/Blue puppet represents those who actively work against the interests of this nation. If 16 years of Bush and Barack didn't open your eyes, I don't know what to tell you.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:10 | 6195754 0b1knob
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Back to the future?

Whan has NATO ever stored tanks and heaby weapons new the Russian border in the past?

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:16 | 6195773 BlowsAgainstthe...
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Can the US store all its neocons on the Russian border, too?

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:25 | 6195800 Herodotus
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Yes.  Let's store them in the NATO portion of the Pale of Settlement.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:47 | 6195849 God
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You humans are so predictable.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:55 | 6195975 two hoots
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- Pre Positioned equipment is a windfall for a defense contractor to maintain them/build facilities etc.  Very Expensive

- Equip is never properly maintained nor ready, over time

- Ammo/tank rounds must also be stored there/inspected.

- Must have a firing range to maintain the equip properly

- Fuel Storage for readiness and must be turned over/kept  fresh???

- Massive fulltime security requirement

- Maneuver area for training  when troops rotate in and out and testing equip

- Site selection must be long term strategically located and operationally fesible.

- No element of surprise as they know where and when you are coming from. They will watch.

- Near airfield for incoming troops

- All will know its location

This is a old idea, from an old regime in the Pentagon that has no new ideas and a State Department with the same old systemic problems, lead by a community organizer CINC that has no clue and a few hawks in the Congress that make deals with the devil.

This is an expensive political/publicity maneuver.  We have new technology and can exchange tit for tat and escalate our power quickly if necessary.  If we don't have the will to stop Russian expansion into our area influence and interest then there is no need for any of it.  Stand this foolishness down.

 

 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 18:21 | 6196320 thamnosma
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I received this email yesterday from a friend:

 

"Came into town about 2:30 saturday from the farm to wash up and rest up.  Mother in law who lives on east side of town on main road to Ukraine said there was a convoy lead by local police of hundreds of troops on motorcycles and hum vee type vehicles and 30 to 40 tanks moving towards border. And, get this, everything painted black and all troops wearing black uniforms.  No insignia indicating nationality.  Explains why area blurred out here on Google earth.  Town I'm in is hrubieszow poland. US troops and tanks Obama officially sent in are deployed  across the border at the crossing just south of this crossing. Don't have access to Ukraine  map but my guess there are trunk highways west to east between here and where the action is."
Sun, 06/14/2015 - 21:35 | 6196681 InanimateCarbonRod
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Tell mother in law to get with the program and snap a few pictures.  

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 21:35 | 6196682 InanimateCarbonRod
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Tell mother in law to get with the program and snap a few pictures.  

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 21:34 | 6196680 TwoHoot
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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:48 | 6195988 L Bean
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Oh please, like you even care. Where have you even been for the past 4000 years? And don't say 'Jesus', either.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 17:35 | 6196224 WOAR
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Indeed.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:53 | 6195860 BlindMonkey
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Can we cryo-store McCain and only release him when we are attacked by Martians?

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:27 | 6195804 Winston Churchill
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The East German border was de facto Russian/Warsw Pact territory bub.

The Russian buffer zone after frequent invasions.

Moving it east 1200 kms is going to make the Russians very unhappy.

Just as well I'm not the Russian president , because I'd consider this an act of war,

and use the very American pre emptive strike option.

It will seal Ukraines fate though, but Putin won't act directly.Everyone can play the destabilization/

empire of chaos game.

i'm not one to be afraid of most anything, but this has the hairs on my nape  rising.

dumb and reckless doesn't do DC justice.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:55 | 6195869 BlindMonkey
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Payback for moving away from the petrodollar is a bitch.

Except Russia isn't Libya. This will end differently.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:17 | 6195914 Sandmann
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Certainly reduces reaction times for Russia and China so I guess some US cities will not have a long-term horizon. Time to station Topol M in Brazil

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:56 | 6196013 Winston Churchill
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Isn't thre already one in Venezuela ?

Read it somewhere, just before that 'spring' started.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:03 | 6195734 bbq on whitehou...
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Russia is not a threat. But could be a game ender for everyone. Nukes are on subs, thats all you need to know. Everything else is just for show.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:04 | 6195881 Bollixed
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Russia is a threat, but only if you own a TV. Easiest way to stop 'Russian aggression' is to throw your TV out the window and learn to think for one's self.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:58 | 6195742 Jorgen
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"I remember during the election in 2008 when Romney was made to look like a fool because he stated that Russia would be one of the leading threats in the near future." 

Romney was a fool in 2008. Russia was not a threat to the U.S. or E.U. at that time. As a matter of fact, Putin wanted Russia to join NATO but as a partner on equal footing with the U.S., not a vassal state like Lithuania, Poland or Romania. Now, it is a different story considering US/NATO/EU moves in the Ukraine and close to Russia's borders. We are lucky that another 'Vlad' (Zhirinovsky) is not the president of the Russian Federation or nukes might already have been flying...

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:18 | 6195918 where_is the_nuke
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Only retards  think Romney would have been any different than Barry. Are you a retard, Wind?

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:19 | 6195919 The Delicate Genius
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Russia is a "threat" in the sense that someone I keep picking on, and who can actually fight back, is a "threat."

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 13:57 | 6195714 Oquities
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so the RUSSIANS can take them

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 09:04 | 6197254 DavidC
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American politicians - you're stupid.
NATO - you're stupid.
Victoria Nuland - you're stupid. And evil.

DavidC

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 13:48 | 6195693 FreeShitter
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The Economy is on life support. War is profit. Death to the moneychangers brings freedom.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 13:54 | 6195704 Oh regional Indian
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Indeed.

The dogs of war are snarling.

Cerebrus smells blood.

Europa needs to spear someone or have her bull do some Her mann Goering...

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 17:42 | 6196243 WOAR
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I smelled blood with that cop shooter in Dallas. Unfortunately, the poor misguided bastard didn't hit anybody, and just died alone.

He should've been going for the real bad guys...fucking banksters...

Anyway, I think we're just on the cusp of something big. Can't wait for the cartels and ISIS to get together. If Poland could manufacture firearms in a warzone, I'm pretty sure ISIS could build bombs in Mexico and truck them up into the U.S. for cheap.

Or patriots will start building them in their own homes. Either way, WOAR is upon the U.S.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 13:54 | 6195703 basho
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suck it up you NATO a**holes.

the bungling baltics, the pitiful poles.

you will be the first to get toasted.

the amis are laughing while you dummies are doing the heavy lifting.

it is obvious why you are where you are.

lmao

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:09 | 6195895 krage_man
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This is just a joke. Those forces will be wiped out by the first nuclear cruising missile from Iskander from Kaliningrad region. 

Brainless Poles just assured to be the first casualty of the conflict where large terrifory will be wiped out by a nuclear explosion.

This just pushes Russian military to buld midrange missiles to cover this territory from several lauch sites.

For US budget, it is another overextensing of suffering under pile of debt fading empire...

 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:11 | 6195901 Sandmann
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Poles are so dim that they should watch out not only for Iskander but for Pershing II fired from the UK.......maximum range Warsaw !!!

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:00 | 6195713 q99x2
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the idea of Russia as the antithesis of Western democratic values is so deeply rooted in the American conscious

All I have to say about that is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNYe_UaWZ3U

That was 45 years ago. Now I suspect they have ones a 1000 times as powerful.

Probably a good time to stop Blankfein and the banking families rather than destroy the planet. It is very likely that many nations are already moving to do just exactly that. Banksters are a global problem.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 13:58 | 6195716 The Delicate Genius
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I was reading the comments section of the Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/world/europe/us-poised-to-put-heavy-we...

I don't consider myself a particularly emotional or unstable man, but I felt a real lump in my throat and sense of dread at how easily the American people are led by yellow journalism, and neocon jingoism.

It's as if this same paper wasn't a big part of lying the US into the Iraq war.

The Putin-related sniping back and forth, the idea that Russia is the "aggressor" in Eastern Ukraine borders on the absurd, as that regime, infested with oligarchs and imported government officials in a US puppet regime began bombing and shelling ethnic Russian separatists immediately, and has shown no real interest in peace talks.

Ditto Crimea, where Crimea voted to leave Ukraine and rejoin Russia - but for the neocon narrative, the wishes of the people of Crimea do not matter.

This US stance toward Russia is easily contrasted with US beneficence toward Israel as it continues its decades long occupation, and periodically deliberately engages in unequivocal war crimes.

I don't have to think Putin is Thomas Jefferson to think he is closer to Jefferson than any American politician I can think of.

But it really is depressing. The stupidity. The carelessness regarding war. The armchair bravado of people who will not have a hair on their head harmed by the violence.

Of course - this brainwashing is the intended result of the mass media control.

posted previously can't recall where or by whom:

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/01/24/nyt-is-lost-in-its-ukraine-propaga...

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:08 | 6195751 Oquities
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we are collectively little more than hamsters on a wheel

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:22 | 6195787 chunga
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Yeah TPTB don't really care about "public opinion". The only reason it's brought up by MSM is to keep the sheep occupied blaming each other and whatever flock they belong to.

You watch...TPP will be back.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 13:58 | 6195718 suteibu
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"If something happens, we can’t wait days or weeks for more equipment,” said Mr. Vejonis, who will become Latvia’s president in July.

That poor sap doesn't realize - or blatantly ignores - that Latvia will be America's battleground, completely ravaged while the powers behind the conflict continue their leisurely cookouts, featuring homoerotic and pedophilic trysts, in Washington, London, New York, and Jerusalem.  As Latvia is destroyed, Western leaders will rejoice over their expanded wealth and influence.

Good call, Mr Vejonis.  You are the perfect puppet.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:15 | 6195771 kowalli
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HE know that, he hopes that his airplane is ready

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 17:22 | 6196193 lincis
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yes, and i am ashamed of such a brainless muppet to be a president of the country I really love. 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 13:58 | 6195719 Bay of Pigs
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The FED loves war...and the War on Terror is just an extention of perpetual war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9lS5k7H5M

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:05 | 6195721 Pancho de Villa
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It would appear that WarsRus.gov just cannot get enough of this "Putin Baiting". This relentless drive towards our own Self-Destruction appears inevitable.

 

I shouldn't linger too much longer. Latin America keeps calling me back. 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:39 | 6195834 max2205
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Back to guns and butter economy. ...short bonds even Moar

 

 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:07 | 6195724 Caleb Abell
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The pretty colored graphs are very nice.  Especially with all the cute drawings of all of those fancy tanks and artillary.  But if barry succeeds in his plan to start a war with Russia, it will go nuclear very fast.  So much for the tanks.

It might be good to equip the tanks and artillery pieces with rear view mirrors.  That way, while heroically charging onto Russian territory, they can look behind them to enjoy the beautiful light show as the Tsar Bombas go off in Berlin, Paris, London, Washington, and thousands of other formally inhabited cities where their famiies lived before they saw the bright flash of light.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:16 | 6195774 bbq on whitehou...
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I dont know if most amaricans would even care. As long as they have a some entertainment, power to run it and some snacks and dip i think they wouldn't bat an eye.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:07 | 6195885 will ling
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can see that playin' out easily and soon. let's get it over - no joke.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:07 | 6195725 Allen_H
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Every Russian will take out the transgender Natoist at a ratio of about 5-1, and that is conservative figure.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:06 | 6195735 Circle of DNA
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Perhaps some local farmers would be able to convert them into plows or some other useful tools to deter an imagined Russian aggression with bread and salt...when the time is right of course...

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:04 | 6195739 Squid Viscous
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why does NATO still exist?

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:07 | 6195748 suteibu
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You're looking at it.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:16 | 6195775 Dathedr
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Because Western oligarchs need a private army comprised of all the countries they have managed to occupy. They know their current private army won't be there for them forever.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:04 | 6195741 ebworthen
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And more money for defense contractors of course.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:17 | 6195776 Philo Beddoe
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Yes! That and some sweetass buyback action make this a sector to watch in late 2015.  

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:06 | 6195745 Reaper
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Exceptional fools follow their pided piper.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:06 | 6195747 Max Steel
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This map is wrong .  Germany got nukes. when  ? US has placed its bombers in netherlands where even dutch soliders can't go without american permission or without an american escort . Kiss your master 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:53 | 6196003 Trucker Glock
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The map legend says U.S. bases with nukes and NATO nukes.

http://m.thelocal.com/20120905/44779

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:11 | 6195758 Trucker Glock
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When should we expect Russian missles in Cuba?

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:36 | 6195825 Farmer Joe in B...
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Hence the recent US pivot towards improving relations with Cuba...

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:28 | 6195948 Max Steel
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but usa hasn't mended anything yet with cubA  . 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 18:53 | 6196390 Caleb Abell
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Actually, the US change of heart regarding Cuba came right after the Cubans discovered massive oil deposits in their territorial waters.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:11 | 6195760 Dathedr
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North Atlantic Terrorist Organization. ISIS looks like a peaceful and benign tumor compared to that Western cancer. High time the world starts evidenting members of that terror organization and bring them to justice!

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:13 | 6195764 DutchBoy2015
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Eastern European hookers are happy GI's are coming.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:06 | 6195883 Dathedr
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Those would be Westerners. That is where they culturally belong to, you know. Liberal scum. Hopefully in years ahead a day shall dawn when we start eradicating that Western plague called liberalism. It is by far and wide the biggest disease world has ever seen! Nothing comes even close to its toxicity! Fucking Westerners! Only that sick trash could come up with something as degenerated, nihilistic and corrupt as that disease is!

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:19 | 6195766 silverer
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There's that RUSSIAN THREAT AND AGGRESSION again.  Oh, wait...

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:15 | 6195769 henry chucho
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With the night-time sky illuminated from the detonation of 50 megaton bombs,the Amerikan sheeple will be taking full advantage of the opportunity,by posting"selfies"on their Facebook accounts..

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:24 | 6195798 Philo Beddoe
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Probably very accurate. Sad. 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:15 | 6195770 Consuelo
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The whole Farce hinges upon Germany and its lack of a self-directed foreign policy.   That, and/or as Dr. Willie suggests, En Es Aye data on Frau Merkel's personal life.   The people of Germany will have to decide when they want to no longer be a vassal of the State Department, because the Iskanders will land there first.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:08 | 6195892 rejected
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Not only that but most of these once seriously independent sovereign nations are now simply vassals of the u.s government. Bought and payed for mindless sheep bowing to the u.s dollar.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:18 | 6195778 NeverForgetSilver
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5,000troops.  It cannot be serious. It is not enough for a lunch to feed Russian army.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:24 | 6195797 kowalli
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Vietnam war started with 200 advisers

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:26 | 6195802 silverer
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Kowalli, was that with or without boots on the ground? lol

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:33 | 6195818 kowalli
Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:25 | 6195799 silverer
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It's serious enough to declare war on the US taxpayer!

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:20 | 6195921 Free_Spirit
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Exactly, the bet is that Putin will waste his resources matching and monitoring,  obviously he's not going to fall for that old one.  

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:54 | 6196004 NeverForgetSilver
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We may start a war that we cannot finish

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 18:43 | 6196376 Caleb Abell
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"5,000troops.  It cannot be serious. It is not enough for a lunch to feed Russian army."

 

They would have sent more, but they only had enough money in the budget for 5,000 body bags.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:23 | 6195788 lolmao500
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Yeah put US military hardware there so the Ruskies can seize it easily when shit happens. Great fucking idea

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:57 | 6196016 Trucker Glock
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Pfft.  That only happens in Yemen.  And Iraq.  And...oh, shit..

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:23 | 6195792 kowalli
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That alliance ends and Oceania, allied with Eurasia, fights Eastasia, a change which occurred during Hate Week, dedicated to creating patriotic fervour for the Party's perpetual war. The public are blind to the change; in mid-sentence an orator changes the name of the enemy from "Eurasia" to "Eastasia" without pause. When the public are enraged at noticing that the wrong flags and posters are displayed, they tear them down—thus the origin of the idiom "We've always been at war with Eastasia"; later the Party claims to have captured Africa.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:27 | 6195805 Rhal
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If this was a cheesy crime-drama, I would be guessing that ISIS will end up in Ukraine driving these around...

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:21 | 6195926 Free_Spirit
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Haha, like it,  I reckon the Chechens will take these babies home as trophies 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:27 | 6195807 Last of the Mid...
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Personally, I would prefer NATO not do a fucking thing to protect my interests on this or any other planet.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:31 | 6195815 Amish Hacker
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Agression = when Russia does it.

Deterrence = when we do it.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 14:55 | 6195868 rejected
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The North Atlantic Terrorist Organization Nazis doing what they do best.... Bloviating. 

They won't be engaging idiots in Toyota trucks or bombing slobs that have no air defense.

Notice to NATO Nazi's,,, you might not get the war you want.

Question to NATO host Europeons.  Do you have some kind of fetish about getting your countries destroyed once or twice every century?

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:04 | 6195876 Taras Bulba
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The us will be in a perpetual state of war or war preparation indefinitely-too many pigs feeding at the money trough of war to turn it around.  The mongering shills in the "think" tanks, the defense contractors, the war profiteers (weapons mfg), and the politician lap dogs would not have it any other way.  Reasonable short and decent articles by authors who have been calling it:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/12-reasons-america-doesn...

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/06/10/barack-obama-no-jack-kennedy/

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/06/09/obamas-stupid-propaganda-stuff/

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:04 | 6195882 Bagbalm
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Move everything up where it can be overrun and captured? They sure have enough practice at that.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:07 | 6195887 Lea
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What a wonderful way to drive a wedge between the EU and the USA.

The EU doesn't want, I repeat doesn't want any messing around with the Rooshan military. Hitler and Napoleon were both Europeans.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:10 | 6195898 Sandmann
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Iskander missiles are designed for these deployments. No doubt the US will be slipping this kit over the border into Ukraine

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:12 | 6195903 fascismlover
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It is drama for sheep...turns out the billionaires need slaves so no nuclear war is coming...war maybe but just the kind that generates revenues.  

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:16 | 6195915 kchrisc
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The Zion "tripwire" again.

Position Zion's war dog along the border, and then use them as pawns--"Let our manipulations and plunder go, because you cannot risk war without antagonizing our nuke armed war dog stationed on your border." And never mind that the Zionist controlled MIC and suppliers of these pawns will get richer.

Zion plays, while the goy slay and pay.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:27 | 6195933 Dathedr
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This is one great article I found at Saker. I would advise everyone to read it. Very interesting stuff. This is how one country after another will be breaking from the Western occupation: first will come cultural break, the rest will follow... naturally.

 

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/09/return-of-magyars-hungarys-pre...

 

Old days are coming to life again! :)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65_lah0z8K4

 

"The windy years have strewn down distant ways;
and in the halls still doth thy spirit sing
songs of old memory amid thy present tears,
or hope of days to come half sad with many fears.

Though along thy paths no longer runs
while war untimely takes thy many sons,
no tide of treason can thy glory drown
robed in sad majesty, the stars thy crown.
I am the blood!

Old mornings dawn,
I am not the light you see,
but only that which is falling on me.

The misty stars thy crown, the night thy dress,
most peerless magical thou dost possess my heart,
and old days come to life again,
Old mornings dawn..."

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:26 | 6195938 roadhazard
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My bro was "on the border" during the cold war. He said everything near the border was just a speed bump if the USSR was serious to invade. The first real defensive line was, a ways back.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:31 | 6195955 The Delicate Genius
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I'd like to hold a no confidence vote in this American government.

I believe it fairly obvious that the US government, from the CIA to State Department, is not only not interested in the health and well being of the American people, but is singularly hostile to the American people, and beholden to banks, war profiteers, and quite obviously, the foreign state of Israel and the trans-national network{s} which advocate for it.

Even if the preferred goal of the Deep State is mostly just a ramping up of tensions to justify larger scale military spending - the provocations and bluster bring us perilously close to what could be the most destructive war yet.

And for what?

Because Crimea voted to cling to Russia after an anti-Russia, US backed coup on Russia's doorstep?

Because Russia *may* be providing some arms and support to Russians on its own borders being assaulted by Kiev's regular troops as well as mercenaries and US advisor - as the US itself arms Muslim terrorists in Libya, Iraq, and Syria merely to 'remake' the middle east - completely careless of the tens of thousands of dead, Muslim and Christian, and the destruction of civilian infrastructure on a scale that begins to approach the punitive havoc of Dresden.

Here, I'll say it - we 'may' be swiftly approaching a moment in which the American people have to ask if America itself can survive without another revolution.

I hope not, but as I read history, a government that is manifestly more interested in the interests of banks, international corporations and the whims of a tiny foreign state has to turn aggressively on its own population sooner or later.

The question is, is that population asleep and in bed, or hidden in the brush, rifle at the ready, as the stormtroopers come around the bend?

Because, in all likelihood - they are coming.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:35 | 6195966 NoWayJose
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This is the liberals 'solution' to a problem - and is typical Obama in action. The US can no longer wave the flag and have other nations back down - in recent years it is the US that has backed down. I suppose this is good for the defense contractors who get to fill the orders, but if the equipment just sits there it will decay into uselessness. And as others have said - these 'depots' will be the first sites to get hit by missiles.

There is no way Russia will march into Poland or the Baltic States. What for? Russia has plenty of land, there is little strategic value, and few natural resources. Obama should learn from history (and from the TBTF banks and the EU/IMF and from the Rothschilds) -- the best 'prison camps' are the ones that you control but where the prisoners think they are free. In today's world the 'masters' control the 'prisoners' through debt, austerity, control of resources and trade (like natural gas).

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:36 | 6195969 SpanishGoop
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“If something happens, we can’t wait days or weeks for more equipment,” said Mr. Vejonis, who will become Latvia’s president in July. “We need to react immediately.”

Mark Galeotti, a professor at New York University who has written extensively on Russia’s military and security services, noted, “Tanks on the ground, even if they haven’t people in them, make for a significant marker”.

 

Update for you, if somthing happens and Russia is really provoked you will be oblitirated in minutes.

You don't even have a day.

 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:40 | 6195976 SpanishGoop
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You stupid Americans and Europeans !

I am this close joining IS, much safer with them.

 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:44 | 6195983 roadhazard
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They MUST BE AWESOME because they can now make a nuke and Iran still can't.

 

 

ROFL

 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 16:03 | 6196031 Caleb Abell
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They can afford to make a nuke ... they have CIA money.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 18:43 | 6196147 WTFUD
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With both (in)Continent's Economies down the crapper the desperate stench of diarrhea prevails.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:51 | 6195997 Taras Bulba
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I would go for this big time but only if we had Nuland in lead tank, she has to wear a helmut, and we must have a picture of her on front page of NYT and WaPo.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 17:25 | 6196203 Winston Churchill
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She won't fit in the breech unfortunately.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 15:59 | 6196021 Boomberg
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I suggest Putin respond by placing heavy armor and tanks in downtown Kiev. 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 18:43 | 6196377 Berspankme
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A tactical nuke in DC would be good

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 20:58 | 6196604 One of these is...
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Not for loads of kids and cats and women, it wouldn't.

Some of you people are just Evil.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 16:43 | 6196101 The Delicate Genius
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went back to the times article - comment now topmost:

Kevin Hill Miami 6 minutes ago

Wow!

This comments section is a regular Putin Sock Puppet-Palooza!

Vlad must have upped the payouts to his trolls.

You people sicken me.

Reply Recommend

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Heh.

edit: I dont doubt the Times may have some paid pro-Russian trolls, but then so does the US, and there may be Israeli/Likudnik ones most of all. Doubt many of them are *here*, no offense. Of course who knows.

Isn't what matters how sensible the argument is, though?

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 17:22 | 6196196 DutchBoy2015
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GFY,  delicate imbecile!!!!!!

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 17:37 | 6196227 The Delicate Genius
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I'd love to hear why you are attacking me, but it seems you're one of the less intelligent "trolls" on this board {I invite comments from others, am I wrong?}

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/16/the_new_york_times_basically_rewrites_wh...

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 16:47 | 6196109 22winmag
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The Fourth Reich won't have much better luck than the Third Reich.

 

The only winning move is not to play.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 16:41 | 6196122 WTFUD
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Time for China to place sanctions on these EU Puppets and sit back and enjoy the domestic blowout.

Time for Russia to cut ALL Energy Exports to the EU SCUM. Let's stop the German Nazi wheels of Commerce churning.

Fucking Losers!

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 17:20 | 6196180 anachronism
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This is sheer idiocy! Are there any generals left who know what war is really like?

Pre-positioning heavy weapons and equipment so close to the frontlines renders them totally useless. It will take a MINIMUM of 7 days from mobilization orders in the US to initial deployment of troops armed with these weapons. The Baltic countries MIGHT last 3 days before being overrun by the Russians.

Southern Poland and Southern Germany are where these storage depots should be placed.....But.....

It is unlikely that the tanks and artillery pieces can be stored safely in bomb-proof shelters. These depots will be targeted for bombardment by cruise missiles from Kalingrad. So, marshalling these men and weapons, and organizing the formations that would make up this armored brigade, will not happen smoothly. Our troops will be taking casualties from the time they start landing in Europe through the time that they start to deploy eastward toward the main battle lines.

There must be warehouses of data stored on disks, and even on microfiche, which contain all the mobilization plans and all the tables of organization and equipment that NATO thought it needed to repell a full-scale offensive by Soviet armies. I think that the Pentagon ought send a few hundred academy graduates to study these records. . . . Especially the ones which detail the way that the Warsaw pact nations overran all of Czechoslovakia in 3 days in 1968 before our army could even get out of their barracks.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 18:34 | 6196355 WTFUD
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' our troops ' Please, i beg of thee , do not add insult to injury.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 17:34 | 6196221 DutchBoy2015
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Back in 1995 I was living in Frankfurt, Germany.  worked a short contract at RheinMain AB.

One day looking thru the Stars and Stripes newspaper,  I spotted a 1981 Mercedes 230CE for sale up in Bonn.  So I drove up to take a look at it.  The guy was a retired comptroller for the US forces in Europe.  He retired and stayed in Europe.

We got to talking over a cup of coffee and said he gave a proposal to Congress that would save the US taxpayer BILLIONS,  He said do away with dependents and make all military unaccompanied on 6 month rotations.  He said the commissaries would not be needed nor base housing and schools. 

Shortly after he sent it to Congress, he was asked to 'resign'.  He said the Generals live like KINGS in Germany and there is NO WAY the status quo will change.

So anyway, I bought the Mercedes from him for 800 dollars.  He said the engine was trashed but when I took the valve cover off I just found one rocker arm broken,  went to junk yard and replaced it for 50 cents and resold the car for 3000 Bucks.

 

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 19:38 | 6196471 TeethVillage88s
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Yeah he must have known what he was in for by doing that.

I think military officers are very comfortable if they are not Commanding and say are at the O-3 level which is like a Captain in the army. Plus lot of people are using the Travel funding and kind of touring around. Today you have Telecommunications centers for conferencing. You can get work done and get virtual tours. Maybe virtual tours would give more info and detail than most trips if done properly.

I'm convinced that a lot of Federal Spending is meant to be a stimulus to someone's economy if not the US economy. Lots of foreign employees, leases.

Actually there are not enough facilities state side for all the DoD people overseas. There were a few studies under Rumsfeld to reduce overseas military. They were going forward on that stuff, but it mean building motor pools, training facilities, maintenance facilities, and barracks. I'm not sure how much was really completed. In the 1980s I heard we had a Million Americans overseas Military/families/and government.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 17:53 | 6196260 The Delicate Genius
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'The New York Times “basically rewrites whatever the Kiev authorities say”: Stephen F. Cohen on the U.S./Russia/Ukraine history the media won’t tell you '

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/16/the_new_york_times_basically_rewrites_wh...

Salon... you have to pick your spots, bu tthey have some solid stuff.

Too bad they couldn't widen their tent a little and recognize the value of more libertarian strains of progressive/antiwar thinking

[like reason.com and antiwar.com]

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 19:26 | 6196448 TeethVillage88s
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Hahahaha there goes the DoD 2015 Budget.

I guess I missed the Bill getting passed in Congress for additional Funding. They have like $10 Billion a Year in Construction Costs, $40 Billion a year in International Assistance Agency to Directly aid foreign countries, probably they can move Existing Tanks, Trucks, Material handling equipment, and Logistical Equipment from US Bases.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 19:27 | 6196450 kedi
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Which will make need for more weapons to be bought to fill the parking spaces left empty elsewhere.

The military already parks, mothballs, stores equipment, then buys more of the same equipment. Leaves it to be grabbed by others, that is then used to kill various folks. So then more is required to fight that equipment. Then buy equipment to just give to various folks killing various other folks. Then, of course, buy equipment to fight all those folks later.

Pretty much every state has some kind of military production pork barrel. Occasionally, even the military says, stop, we do not need more of this thing. But the production continues. Churning out new scrap metal and a few votes.

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 21:29 | 6196674 ctrent33
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Russia in Catholic prophecy  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az4dzdS79jU

Sun, 06/14/2015 - 23:48 | 6196915 dogismycopilot
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The thing you need to realize about Obama & Co is that all they care about is Perception. They are like all politicians but even more so and the Perception is their currency. Once you learn and accept that Obama & Co only does something based on how it is Perceived by the audience they are acting for you can now see another color in the spectrum.

 

In this case, Obama & Co’s audience is Ukraine and the EU for the obvious reasons. The second audience is thumbing their nose at Russia. The beneficiaries are the MIC as many have pointed out above. Obama & Co (and the legislators) are crazier than shit house rats. We need to sweep them all out.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 00:58 | 6196986 onmail
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BarackHussainObama : "I promise you change(cold war again)".

M.A.D.

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