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Obama's Anti-Russia Policy Escalates: DoD Tells Congress Nukes Are Still On The Table
Submitted by Justin Raimondo via AntiWar.com,
The War Party is a veritable propaganda machine, churning out product 24/7. Armed with nearly unlimited resources, both from government(s) and the private sector, they carpet-bomb the public with an endless stream of lies in order to soften them up when it’s time to roll. In the past, their job has been relatively easy: simply order up a few atrocity stories – Germans bayoneting babies, Iraqis dumping over babies in incubators – and we’ve got ourselves another glorious war. These days, however, over a decade of constant warfare – and a long string of War Party fabrications – has left the public leery.
And that’s cause for optimism. People are waking up. The War Party’s propaganda machine has to work overtime in order to overcome rising skepticism, and it shows signs of overheating – and, in some instances, even breaking down.
One encouraging sign is that the Ukrainian neo-Nazis have lost their US government funding …
In a blow to the “let’s arm Ukraine” movement that seemed to be picking up steam in Congress, a resolution introduced by Rep. John Conyers (D-Michigan) and Rep. Ted Yoho (R-Florida) banning aid to Ukraine’s Azov Battalion, and forbidding shipments of MANPAD anti-aircraft missiles to the region, passed the House unanimously.
This is significant because, up until this point, there has been no recognition in Washington that the supposedly “pro-democracy” regime in Kiev contains a dangerously influential neo-Nazi element.
As I reported early on, Ukraine’s ultra-nationalists – who openly utilize wartime Nazi symbols and regalia, and valorize Stepan Bandera, the anti-Soviet guerrilla leader who collaborated with the Third Reich – were the muscle behind the movement that pushed democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovich out of power. With the rebellion in the east, the paramilitary militias of the far right have been officially incorporated into the Ukrainian army: Dmytro Yorash, the leader of Right Sector and a member of parliament, is an aide to Viktor Muzhenko, the supreme commander of the Ukrainian military, and Right Sector – an openly neo-Nazi organization – has been officially integrated into the armed forces.
The Conyers-Yoho amendment won’t stop Ukraine’s neo-Nazis from feeding at the US-provided trough, but, hey, it’s the thought that counts. They’ll just abandon their independent existence and blend into the official military, effectively going underground, just as they did in the last Ukrainian elections, where fascists like Yarosh won a seat in the parliament with the tacit support of the “mainstream” parties, which withdrew their candidates in his district: Adriy Biletsky, commander of the Azov Battalion, enjoyed a similar advantage. Open fascists hold prominent positions in the Ukrainian government, the military, and the police.
Vadim Troyan, the deputy leader of the Azov Battalion, is now the regional chief of the Kiev district police, and fascists have the run of the city. The perpetrators of an arson fire at a Kiev theater that sponsored a gay film festival were charged with “disturbing the peace” and let off with a light sentence – and the theater was held responsible for not providing enough security! "I think the government prosecutor and those who are prosecuted are playing for the same team," says one activist, and this is quite true: the fascists permeate the Kiev regime from top to bottom. When gay activists announced a Gay Pride march, the Mayor of Kiev said he couldn’t – or wouldn’t – guarantee their safety and asked them to cancel it. What was an open invitation to violent thugs was accepted when dozens of Right Sector stormtroopers attacked the procession, which ended the event after thirty bloody minutes.
As the Kiev regime shows its true colors, its most fervent backers are forced to acknowledge its shortcomings. Yes, even our UN Ambassador, Samantha “responsibility to protect” Power …
In a recent speech delivered in Kiev, Ambassador Power made oblique reference to the embarrassing slip ups on the part of our sock puppets in Kiev, gently scolding them to be more … discreet. Citing Abraham Lincoln, she urged Ukrainians to listen to “the better angels of our nature,” and averred that “Ukraine is stronger” when it does so:
“It means that Ukraine should zealously protect freedom of the press, including for its most outspoken and biased critics – indeed, especially for its most outspoken and biased critics – even as the so-called separatists expel journalists from the territory they control, and even as Russia shutters Tatar media outlets in occupied Crimea. It means that politicians and police across the country should recognize how crucial it is that people be able to march to demand respect for LGBT rights and the rights of other vulnerable groups without fear of being attacked.”
Citing Lincoln while calling for press freedom is a bit problematic – Abe shut down “treasonous” newspapers and jailed his more vociferous critics, but, hey, Power probably figured the Ukrainians aren’t up on the details of Civil War history, so what the heck. As the US continues to pump money – and weaponry – into the country, they’ll listen politely to Power’s lectures, and laugh all the way to the bank.
Amid all the publicity given to ISIS and the rise of its “caliphate,” the volatile condition of the Balkans has remained in the shadows. Yet the US, while sending only a few hundred “advisors” to Iraq, is sending a huge shipment of tanks and other heavy weaponry to nearly every country in Eastern Europe – enough to equip 5,000 American troops.
Ostensibly proposed in response to a nonexistent Russian “threat” to invade its Baltic neighbors, and/or Ukraine, this represents a significant escalation of the new cold war. And if the tanks are already on the ground, you can bet the troops won’t be long in coming. As NATO James Stavridis put it: “It provides a reasonable level of reassurance to jittery allies, although nothing is as good as troops stationed full-time on the ground, of course.”
And we aren’t just talking about troops here: the Pentagon is also considering stationing nuclear missiles alongside them.
The US is playing a dangerous game of nuclear brinkmanship. Robert Scher, undersecretary of defense, has even floated the idea of a nuclear first strike against Russia. Claiming that Russia has violated the INF Treaty by testing a banned ground-launched cruise missile, Scher laid out possible options in testimony before Congress:
“Robert Scher, assistant secretary of defence for strategy, plans and capabilities, told politicians in April that one option could be to beef up defenses of potential targets of the Russian cruise missile.
“A second option could ‘look at how we could go about and actually attack that missile where it is in Russia,’ Scher said.
“And a third option would be ‘to look at what things we can hold at risk within Russia itself,’ Scher said.
“His comments appeared to signal employing forces to strike at other Russian military targets — apart from the missiles that allegedly violate the INF accord.
“Brian McKeon, deputy undersecretary of defense for policy, told politicians in December that the United States could consider putting ground-launched cruise missiles in Europe. Such weapons are banned under the INF treaty.”
Yes, that’s how crazy the warlords of Washington are: in their demented calculus, nuclear war is just another “option.”
And if that isn’t the definitive argument for regime-change in Washington, then I don’t know what is.
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So how many tactical nukes do the Russians have...??
In their own country or parked somewhere close to US borders?
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
- NWO Georgia Guidestones
Get you and your family ready because I don't think there are enough of us to stop it.
Someone needs to rub their own excrement on those stones, daily. Or sledgehammer them.
If they were located in LA, I'd vandalize the hell out of those things, they're Satanic.
no joke: http://philiacband.com/propaganda.html
(footage of the Tsar Bomba...largest nuke explosion in history...look up the specs)
"Robert Scher, undersecretary of defense, has even floated the idea of a nuclear first strike against Russia."
These people, who are high up, are literal clear & present dangers to the security, safety & well-being of every person in the world, and it's stunning that such a statement isn't cause for dismissal, interrogation and criminal charges.
The bully always beats and threatens till he is beaten.
Speaking of beating maybe a public beating would be good for all these psychopaths. Pay Per View? Pay Per Punch?
They dont represent me, How do i fire them?
RIPS
Destroying the economy is not enough.
Now the gov needs to start a nuclear war.
More trash talk from the Mulatto Messiahs stooges. They will never launch a pre emptive nuclear strike because if it were possible to win, the USSA would have already done it. Instead, we see a bunch of lunatics performing a monkey threat dance to intimidate the Russkis. No doubt Putin and crew are shaking in their shoes, LOL>
Unfortunately for us, when the Russians have had enough, we won't know it in advance. They will just act.
You are underestimating the elite & the heart of evil.... (E.g. Satan & Co.)
They know the end is here, why should they care if the world goes down in flames?
To all my brothers and sisters.... (Pray for we are most definitely at the door...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrNn9OFX5sk
Unfortunately for us, when the Russians have had enough, we won't know it in advance. They will just act.
Yep, Nutty Nuukie Puutie is just stupid enough to believe that Russia could win.
Tfhe lunatics in the Russian military are as dumb as Puutie,
That is why all of those Baltic countries want nukes.
Ukraine and Crimea would not have been invaded if the country still had the nukes to use on Puutie's conscripts.
A failed communist totalitarian with large oil cash flows will blow up everything befoe gettin tossed.
If Iraq had really had WMD he would be alive and living in Baghdad. If the Shah had really built those nukes Israel would be very nice to Iran. If South Africa had built its nukes Pik Botha would have been shaking hands with Clinton. If Brazil had built its nukes it would be exporting oranges to Florida
"A failed communist totalitarian with large oil cash flows will blow up everything befoe gettin tossed."
You mean Obama? (Negative oil cash flows...)
Go back to Israel. Stay there until you see the big flash.
Guess you don't know fear and warmongering propaganda over nothing when you see it.
It's good that someone understands that the Russians don't just beat sticks on their side of a disputed waterhole.
Even if the Neocons know this they pay no attention because their Neocon God has assigned their manifest destiny to lead the Creation of the Unilateral American Empire over the entire planet.
What could go wrong?
How do you think they avoided a civil war? They killed everyone.
If it's any consolidation, then they died in their bunkers after numerous little coup d'etats (survival of the fittest and all that). The last and saddest person in the world died Jan 4th, 10:14pm, 2238 alone down a hole, in the dark by starving to death because they couldn't bring themselves to pull the trigger of the double barrel in their mouth. Something about the taste of gun oil kept stopping them...Stars and stripes forever. Indeed.
Actually Putin did the US the biggest favor ever when he ditched the Conventional Forces Agreement.
As if the US or Europe would ever plan a conventional attack on Russia for any reason ever.
Nukes on the other hand are perfect for dealing with Russia...with no better place to start than Crimea.
What the hell is in Crimea? 300,000 more dead Russians apparently.
I mean seriously...withdrawing from the CFA? Like the USA or Europe would ever consider invading Russia with a conventional Army.
If Putin is overthrown...something I hope is unlikely...that might be a whole nother thing. I'm not sure what comes after "post Putin" which is yet again another reason why I have never supported this foreign policy approach towards the regime.
I would expect better rhetoric from the political classes I might add. Hitler? Really?
My foreign policy for say...Donald Trump...would be "buy Greenland." Denmark could definitely use the money right now.
Of course who buys anything anymore when you can just starve and kill everyone instead!
You're an idiot ! It doesn't matter who launches the first strike, only the LAST one...
As I have family in Crimea, may I simply say, please put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger, you miserable piece of shit.
Don't be shy.
You know how to be rid of them.
There's this thing called the 2nd Amendment....which apparently is now only good for "open carry" demonstrations at Walmart and it's "original" intent...hunting.../sarc
If you think on it this is quite understandable, you can be certain Putin's missiles are stiil on the table. Of course that doesn't change the truth of your assessment.
Robert Scher? Sounds awfully dual Shit-i-Zen to me like Noodleman, Soros, Feinstein, Schumer, General Jack Weinstein.
Google says he is.
Not another member of the Tribe pimping for pre-emptive war?
No! But they're so full of peace and peaceful intentions towards ALL THE GOYIM!
Many have wondered why nuke shelters for the top leaders are so far away from the power centers, like DC, and the pols would never reach them in time. It's because the whole system is set up for the US to do the first strike. All the warmongers would be tucked into the bunkers in their favorite chairs drink in watching the missiles launch and the festivities begin.
one does not sleep well at night, knowing the character of world leaders: DSK late of IMF, is a good example, or b clinton, the fat homo pederast d hasert, l johnson mass murderer of asians for profit..pol pot, i amin,stalin,hitler, but they all stop at a true threat to themselves, nukes will be used only against a non nuke power-ask saddam or M Gaddafi, nonuke , and they got removed from power.
a true religious nut case might use nukes, we will test this theory in the Mid East very soon.
F-35 good for only one thing. Almost vertical takeoff. Supersonic. For supersonic bugout. Two-seat version is in the works.
I went to the Guidestones the day before yesterday. Nothing satanic about them IMHO. The words written 35 years ago now have never made more sense. Humans only live about 85 years and if the world would stop this insanity of war we could all live what is the rest of our lives in peace and prepare to reduce the population through attrition. But the corporations and monarchial rulers need endless growth in a finite world not for us but for their own personal lust for power and greed. The PTB targets the leaders of any opposition and bribes, threatens or if that doesnt work murders them to keep power. If the opposition took the leaders out of the elite groups things would change. There's not that many of them. Im gonna get a lot of down votes but IDC.
Honestly what oposition? I've been siting here the last 20-30 years being run over by the Oligarchs. Most don't understand them, and that is enough to let them keep their power. I wish people understood, but they've been conditioned and distracted too much. So here we stand, waiting for thousands of hypersonic nukes to smash us in the face.....
I have a better idea, let's blow them into powder. The arrogance of those fucking sociopaths
You sir, no offense intended, are the typical reason why there will be no revolution...
You have an idea? Great let's hear it!
Oh, "Blow them into powder"....
With what, our wive's compact?
maybe we can inscribe, start the culling at the top of the food Chain. on them.. :)
FWIW... the PTB now say keep it to a billion drones... http://www.naturalnews.com/050075_Vatican_climate_science_world_depopula...
These people are obviously oblivious to the nature of karma. It fucks you up just when you think you have everything under control.
At this point, I'm truly left wondering...considering how immoral the US behaves in regards to geopolitics, whom it uses and supports, and how it threatens so many countries.
I wonder, what's stopping the Chinese, or the Russians, or a slew of other nations from finding some sand people and doing what the US does...indoctrinating them and then helping them get into the US.
Considering how the US arms and moved jihadists over 3 continents to fight their foes, what's stopping capable nations from having enough and finally, after all the bs Washington pulls, sending some wahabi assholes into the US packing?
I'm not advocating that, just wondering at what point, considering Washingtons immoral battle precedents, will the whole thing come back and bite the US in the ass so hard it won't be able to sit down anymore?
A lot of bad precedents being set by the US and I am worried for the future of this whole damn planet, including average joe six pack Americans.
It's an excellent point. Since the end of the USSR, all foreign funding and aiding of anti American forces has ceased. Nobody funds anti US groups. Russia and China leave well enough alone. But as you say, the USA has gone all in! They are funding, arming, training and transporting any anti Russian, Iranian or Chinese element on earth they can. This is thus totally one sided. As you point out too, maybe those who are being attacked by covert US forces, will now think the unthinkable. Aid the lunatics seeking to get at this country. I seriously doubt that either Russia, Chian or Iran will fund terror against the USA. But if the USA keeps funding terrorist, Islamists, Nazis and others, and send them to attack Russia or China, the day may come when what you suggest comes true.
JB, the BRICS are already striking back , by continuing to undermine the Fed Reserve system. Once the USSA dollar loses supremacy globally, most of the MIC will implode due to lack of funding.
But it wouldn't surprise me if Russia and China are readying asymmetrical responses.
+1
I always viewed that the USA will end up imploding like the old USSR but it will be a lot messier due to EBT. the Russians are largely white and Christian. The Slavic thread holds them together in the larger sense.
The USA will be messier. You will have a situation whee the military will not be able to pay soldiers. they already cut a bunch of majors. Obola wants a smaller military and a larger praetorian guard.
This is true Latina Lover
Yes, I'm afraid most of the "Whiteys" are too busy getting drunk, partying, or counting their stacks, but the party is about to be over...
If they launch a strike on the east, it will be the last strike they ever launch I assure you.
If you want a solid idea how ugly it will be, just answer this...
How do you stop a marching army of 500,000,000 soldiers??? (That's right YOU CAN'T!)
Consider the opportunity given to both Russia and China. Long considered the bad guys on the planet, they benefit more by winning against the West without resorting to the tactics of the West. They have the opportunity to secure the moral highground lost by the US over the last several decades. To the extent that actual survival is not in question, they have nothing to gain by mimicking Western tactics.
I think they will not go after populations, but individuals they deem responsible for this mess.
suteibu
that is to be hoped for. certainly Putin has been nothing but restrained since the battle in donbass broke out and the provocations from kiev and nato have been insufferable.
if the tactics of the west reappear on the world stage, there will be absolutely no doubt from whence they came.
what I expect in the next couple of months is 'the mother of all false flags.'
who is surprised that having lost her manifest destiny, america is behaving like a cornered rat.
That is the reason why our friends the Saudis did 911. To get the funds from Congress to secure our borders. And change the laws to prevent that strategy from happening.
In a way it's good that it didn't happen. Imagine the nightmare we'd be living with now.
The Saudis, but definitely no Israeli and neocon involvement, is that right?
"Israeli and neocon involvement."
You're not usually redundant; but yeah, a little bit.
The joos may have come up with the mechanics. But where would it have been wid out the 15 saudis on board?
You didn't think that the Israeli/neocons were going to do it?
I don't think its redundant, I mean neocons in the sense of American Jewish Zionists acting as sayanim for elements of Israel's government, to include Netanyahu and Ehud "microexpressions" Barak.
The Saudis alleged to have been on the planes {were they all?} seem to have been patsies - whether the House of Saud was involved is an open question. But the point is blaming S.A. alone on thin evidence ['the hijackers'] but not the, broadly speaking, Jewish Zionists, seems odd.
And I should hasten to add I do not mean "the joos" - I mean a small group of arch-Zionist sociopaths very much enabled by WASP traitors. Such vicious false flag murders would, if known and understood, sicken the average person.
Hey, pal, we should get together sometime and trade our 'grand unified theories' of why the world is going to Hell at Mach 22. I'd love to hear yours, which I assume begins earlier than Sept 11, 2001.
The theory really isn't about what happened then; it's about what's happened before.
The antecedents of the neocons are the 'better dead than redniks' who appeared after WWII. They were enormously pissed at President Truman for not continuing the war against the Russians after the Nazis were defeated. When Kennedy declined to fight Communism in South East Asia in 1963, (after firing their beloved Alan Dulles), he was given a hero's funeral.
To make matters worse, in 1956 a scientist named M. King Hubbert predicted that the use of crude oil would soon outpace its discovery. It was essential that middle Eastern oil remain unthreatened by the conflicts between the the citizens of oil rich nations and their monarchs. This was one of the reasons the State of Israel was created in 1948: to be a magnet for the anger and hatred of the Arabs and remove the pressure on their intolerant rulers.
In 1967 we saw Lyndon Johnson ignore IDF Chief Rabin's order to sink the USS Liberty. Israel had cashed the US's blank check.
In 1973, peak oil hits the continental US, as Hubbert predicted.
In 1979 the Shah of Iran fell and Iranian oil is out of the American sphere of influence.
In the 80's Iraq attacks Iran at the supplication of the US, who supply Saddam with poison gas and satellite photographs to kill Iranian soldiers. (In 2003 Saddam would pay dearly for doing the bidding of the "better-dead-than-redniks", who had already begun to morph into the neocons. Eventually Americans would be told it was because the Iranians were close to having a nuclear bomb, and not because we coveted their oil,)
In 1990 the Russians saw the advantages of giving up the Soviet Empire and making peace with the West as crude oil was going to be the currency of the 21st century and Russia had lots of it in Siberia.
Unfortunately they underestimated the deceit of the West.
In the 90's they received the greatest blow of all. Capitalism was starting to hit Diminishing Returns, All that trickle down supply side economics had given us was two enormous bubbles and our current trickle up depression.
So in the 90's 'better dead than red' became neoconservatism' and, shockingly, had more than a tolerable number of Jews leading it.
You probably know all about Greenspan not objecting to the increase in the subprime mortgages in the early 90's and not objecting to the repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999. You saw how the SOCTUS reversed the Florida Supreme Court on the recount of the Florida vote.
And how Bush, who lost the popular vote to Gore, assumed his mandate included withdrawing the US from the ABM Treaty and then then to go to war -- and eventually destroy -- Iraq. Go to war for reasons he knew to be false and deceitful.
George W Bush, spawn of Herod and Herodias Bush of Houston, Texas, and whose brother Jebus, by blackmail, bribery and threats, should be the third Bush president in 25 years.
The Bushes are one of the first families of the neocon tribe. You hear wow often Putin is denounced for heading the KGB/FSB. Well, Bush, Sr led the CIA and has already put one of his sons in the American Presidency and has has another bun in the oven.
Simultaneously, with the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was the scheme by the increasingly simple neocons, having persuaded Herod in Houston to instruct his son in the oval office to abrogate the ABM Treaty, so as to move as many of the US's Patriot missiles as possible up to the Russian border.
Voila. The American Nuclear First Strike.
So devastating to the Russian Response to the American Sneak attack that the Patriots would bring down what feeble counter srtike the Russians could muster.
As for the nukes on the Russian submarines they would either be brought down mid ocean or at the Golden Door of the Teaming Shore.
If anything got by that defense, both Midge Decter and Gertrude Himmelfarb would don their Wonder Woman outfits and wrestle the Topol-ms to the moon and explode them there.
Oh yes, Counterpunch, there would be the Arab Spring (aka destabilization), the Maidan coup, the Crimean referendum, the EU sanctions, the Global recoveryless Recovery, ISIS, ISIL, and just plain IS. The counter sanctions, and then suddenly Russia's inability to get a rocket into space and what that means for our astronauts and getting it up for the ISS.
To recapitulate, in the early 70's 'better dead than red' became fear of what running down in oil in 60-80 years would mean to American Oligarchs. That meant continued tight control over friendly countries and destabilization and paid revolt in unfriendly countries. And the strangling of Russia to force western control over their vast supplies.
But the Kristols and the Podhoretz's were hoist on the petard of Vladimir Putin.
THE BISMARCK OF BORODINO.
Hey Counterpunch, I really enjoyed this. Lets do it again.
NSA spying
CIA/Mossad networks
It might be hard to recruit sand people considering the above.
For who is the question?
(I'm pretty sure the CIA/Mossad are recruiting a lot of those sand people now...)
The last big war is about to begin, so buckle up everyone, you're going bye bye....
My guess is they probably are. But both countries have just recently crawled out of the economic and social abyss. They can't be seen as "funding extremists"... yet. We in the west, especially America have enjoyed over a 100 years of dominance, China and Russia not so much, plus you would want to give Germany a chance to have justification to switch sides so to speak. Also, why destabalize America and the West at the moment? We're doing an admiral job of destroying our industrial base...which won't be like 1941 if/when real war breaks out in terms of re-arming for a true war with a real country (sorry invading Iraq and Afghanistan is like an MMA fighter beating up a 5 year old, they have what 2 days worth of WW2 casualties in 14 years?). Ideally you let de-industrialization progress as much as possible, let the US start to commit itself more and more off continent, then you dump treasuries and only accept gold for trade. You cut off Saudia-Arabian oil at the same time, drop some EMP's on the mainland, then you unleash your selected "terrorists" or you do what we did to Russia and that is unleash a civil-war.
Not that hard to do actually....
This is a hypothetical so i don't want the fucking NSA or Homeland visiting me because of online "threats"
Why do you assume they are all outside the US? they could easily have sleeper cells ready with vans to take the nukes they smuggled in to their target sites. Who would know what's in that old barn in the Catskills?
<-- 'They' is Israel
<-- 'They' is Russia/China
The economy is about to implode and they need something anything to blame for it and a war or a conflict with Russia could be used for cover and then they both get together and try to fix it before a huge war happens.
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Ya Ive seen this one,,,,Its where some stupid fucks get US ALL FUCKING KILLED!!!!!
Lets start withEurope first...
The russians will never tell.
However the generals and Nutty Nukie Puutie have threatened to use them.
These commie bastards under Puutie are determined to have a war. Invade any small neighbors and expect to get away with plundering the country.
It seems that commie Russian ciminals can count on support from some criminals cinvicted in the US. The stoogies of Puutie join together in the propaganda war. Stalinistas longing for a return to the good old days.
the retards at ZH are still shillin' for shekels I see.
The Puutie shills won't take rubles, if they are smart. Your suggestion of shekels for them is probably good advice.
Binary thinking such as yours indicates a substandard IQ. Lemme guess - union trash collector by day, paid idiot by night?
Augustus is the typical Ukie troll, ad hominems with zero intellectual content.
BTW, Augdisgustus, how's your EU Visa application working out? ROTFL!
Those UKies looking for EU Visa may first being sent to some place in MENA akin to Aussie sending those boat migrants to Cambodia... LOL
If Augustdisgustus makes it out of the Ukie gulag, I have a few friends in London who need their toilets cleaned. Augustie deserves direct contact with european values.
Hey Latina Liver,
Do you ruskie lav dumpers get free flights on th planes you service?
Do you get the same from the neocon assholes you service?
You are correct in that they have threatened to use nukes. You are not accurate by declining to note how they would be on Russian territory in defense of Russia.
This is a bit different than what it appears NATO is planning, but the same in geography I suppose.
Latvia wants to use them on Latvian teity.
Poland wants to use them on Polish territory,
Ukraine wants to use them on Ukrainian territory.
All planning to repel Nuukie Puutie's invasions.
Marked as spam.
The invasion delusions that you apparently share with the rest of the reality-challenged in Washington. Whatever the Russians would want with shitstains like Latvia and Poland is anyone's guess. I have yet to hear anything remotely worthwhile in these places for Putin to waste his time with them. Let's look at a map and see how large Russia's landmass is. Big, yes? The little Baltic states have penis envy.
Tell here to you direct from birth lobotomy do, or later in adulthood?
Hey Stoogie,
get the minders to review your posts to make sur they are complete thoughts in sentences.
What are you first and second languages? English is not one that you are competent in using?
THose retards still prevail on this board, wish you earn enough the paper shekels... lol
please
@ augustus Your stupidity is awsome
Your stupidity is awsome
transcript of the Subcommittee on Strategic Forces hearing.
While watching the video listen how the gentlemen are slurring their words. Celebratory cocktail beforehand?
“Fiscal Year 2016 NUCLEAR FORCES HEARING Committee
http://thesaker.is/ukraine-sitrep-june-10th-2015-by-scott/
DoD nuclear enterprise got $35 billion per year for their anti-Russia PR
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There must be a "down arrow" bot on this site...lol
Le Chatelier's Principle isn't confined to a beaker
These FUCKERS are completely crazy!!
piece prize winner!
The guy is a complete nut case, and you dumb yanks voted for him.
War mongering, do it my way nutter!
Nuclear first strike"? get the fuck outta here..
+1 in the catagory of 'best sarcasm w/out a sarc tag'
US almost a launched a nuclear first strike against Russia and China both on Oct 28, 1962 at the height of Cuban missile crisis. US Generals wanted to launch nukes against the USSR saying that US casualties would be only 40 million in the retaliatory strikes. Kennedy though his generals were insane:
“Oh, my God!,” Bordne recalled his colleagues as saying as they turned white with shock and surprise when they received a launch order before dawn on Oct. 28. The order was issued from Kadena to all four Mace B sites in Okinawa including Bolo Point, he said.
According to him, the three-level confirmation process was taken step-by-step in accordance with a manual by comparing codes in the launch order and codes given to his crew team in advance. All of the codes matched.
“So, we read the targets out loud. Out of the four missiles, we had only one headed toward Russia. The other three were not going to Russia. That, right away, gave us a start to wonder. Because the launch directive said you launch all the missiles,” Bordne said. His crew team was in charge of four out of eight missiles deployed at the site.
“And we figured, ‘Why hit these other countries?’ They’ve got nothing to do with this. That doesn’t make any sense,” Bordne said. “So, our captain, the launch officer, said to us ‘We’ve got to think this through in a logical, rational manner’.”
When the launch order was issued, the five-level “DEFCON” scale, or defense condition, remained at level 2, one step from starting a war. Theoretically, a launch order should not be issued unless DEFCON is raised to 1, which means initiating a military counterattack against enemy forces.
The order under DEFCON 2 made the crew team, especially the launch officer, so dubious about its authenticity that the officer ordered suspension of the ongoing launch procedures which Bordne was engaged in.
Finally, the launch officer figured out that the order had been mistakenly issued, Bordne said, but added he has no idea why such an order was issued. Even though Bordne did not specify which country had been targeted besides Russia under the order, it is believed to be China considering the Mace B missile range of 2,200-2,300 kilometers.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/04/01/japanese-news-agency-reveals-...
Mike Rivero has claimed that during the USS Liberty attempted false flag, the US launched a bomber with a nuke to hit Egypt before the Liberty got a message out indicating it was Israel, which at least initially used unmarked jets. That they later resorted to flagged birds doesn't necessarily mean it was the "accident" they and the wiki hasbarats claim, just that they were unable to sink the thing as quickly as they presumed. Sending gunboats to shoot up the life rafts was a further war crime, quite Bolshevik in practice, irrespective of anything else.
I don't see Johnson ordering a nuke strike in response to an unconfirmed attack on a single ship. Particularly considering the potentialSoviet response
http://agreenroad.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/uss-liberty-incident-3-minutes-...
http://planetinvestigations.com/2014/01/18/soviets-almost-nuked-israel-i...
But - I'm not sure about that claim. Like many others, Rivero sometimes believes things on rather thin evidence. Knowing some Boston area physicians and nurses {lived there 9 years}, I'm pretty certain that there were at least a large number of very real injuries at the marathon bombing, but for some people, this can't be true, everything is 'crisis actors'. Apart from having to accept that all these doctors, nurses, emts, cops and others like experienced combat medics couldn't tell a fake injury and were all in on it, half an hour on the internet should make it clear that it is much more likely than not people were really injured. Someone claiming they were ALL fake tells me they deal in off the rack conspiracy bullshit, not provisional truth subject to better evidence.
parenthetically:
Israel's attack on Egypt in June '67 was not 'preemptive ...No, You need Hank Paulson to scare the shit out of those Kongressmen.
if you really were considering it, wouldn't it be inane as shit to announce it? so in other words we don't even have a plan, i guess i should be use to it after the last 7 years.
They are determined to get us all killed.
They think the Russians will not use nuclear weapons when they are attacked - and they are wrong.
We all get killed because of these lunatics in the Pentagon.
The Russians might even to decide to out-first strike us=with this kind of talk---all these Straussian U of Chicago Zionist Jew NeoCONs will be held accountable. utterly stoopid(sic)
The Russian generals have already proposed using the first strike option. That was several weeks ago. It sure caused the Balkan countries to take notice, expecting the Puutie tanks in their capitols at any time. Time to put a halt on Puutie's nutty ambitions of expansion into every neighbor. US should just give Poland their own nukes so that Puutie invasion can get a proper response.
On the kool aid are ya?
Yes, and without a trepanation of the brain, he is beyond help.
Ah Stoogie, you are assuming he has a brain case to be trepanned. He could be just another state department bot.
I think he's high on neocon splooge.
You're a fucking brain-dead dickhead!!!
BITCHCUNT
Why the fuck did W. Bush quit the ABM Treaty if it wasn't a plan for America's nuclear first strike?
That was 2002.
Take your rodent brain and rodent ideas and put them in your garbage disposal.
Pandering to paranoid sissies in Eastern Europe with shit for brains can do that. Do you think every country who cries wolf is serious? You must be israeli or something.
revolution now
Agenda 21 is always on the table, never left.
I hope that somebody drones these WMD necons. They are willing to cull populations, as long as it isn't them. Let them be first to go.
The NeoCON-artists all need to be rounded up, NOW- tattooed with "TRAITOR" on their foreheads, spend a month being waterboarded, and then drawn and quartered. (or Keelhauled-lol) then draw and quartered.
Sad to say it will not bring back the 6000 US Soldiers who were knowingly led to thier death to further THEIR interests, not those of the USA. Oh and the 3 million Iraqi dead civilians
We start first with Dickless Cheney......then Wolfowitz et al
^^ought to be required reading at CIA.
Great history on the neocon movement. Thanks for that.
Traitors all.
"So how many tactical nukes do the Russians have...??"
Enough to make it hell on earth.
These elitist profiteers think they can ride it out in their bunkers or islands in the southern hemisphere. Betting everyone's lives in the northern hemiphere on their sick war games.
If you really want to know
http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat
Did this guy ever consider that Russia would strike back as well, and they do have SSBN's which would be capable of launching their nukes where US doesn't know? I have serious doubts that they are actually considering this. If they are, then they must be stopped.
I would like to think that the Russians know who the real enemy is. I would also like to think that they would not want the blood on their hands of murdering countless millions in a nuclear holocaust. That brings the point that (I would like to think) that they would take out the people or areas where the cancer exists, a surgical strike if you will.
If Putin decides to send his assassins to take out billionaires and government officials, that would be a real shame. I am really busy though, my tractor needs work, and the farm needs constant attention, strawberries need water every other day. Can't save ALL the world can we?
They made their bed, they can sleep in their own shit and vomit. Fuck them!!
Assassins would be the easy and moral solution to such an idea. However, it's generally a suicide mission when dealing with high security. So nobody, generally, would send their own men. Especially not in the numbers needed for large numbers of targets.
What such missions would need is to send capable intelligent well trained people who have nothing to lose (especially if they lost everything due to the actions of the evil people in question). What is needed is the training of high intelligence (I say this because they need to be able to properly control and channel emotion) individuals seeking revenge for some great wrong that was done to them. Like, say, loss of all family and property due to some rogue states proxy war.
It would work, and work well, but the other obvious point of course is that at that level everything is a boomerang. You can expect assassins of the same kind coming your way shortly.
Excellent analysis. With the vast waste that's been left by the Murkian empire, I don't think Putin would have a lack of volunteers.
Ahem, Yoho, Tea Party.
Just sayin ;-)
So Mark Dice petition was real !!!!
Yea, so if the douche nozzles in DC decide to nuke any other country at this point without absolutely bulletproof cause; they're likely to have a real domestic security problem in addition to retaliatory strikes. That's just an observation of a guy in the business of security.
How many nukes did Russia lose track of when the USSR fell? Any chance we stole some? Would be a bulletproof cause if a US city fell to a Russian nuke, no matter who triggered it.
Everybody knows they lost security containment of the nukes. There have been videos on Vice showing video of nukes for sale. If it was a Russian nuke that went boom, unless carried by a SSBN, it would be labeled: Syrian, Iranian, yada yada yada.. It could be done, but would be pretty damn hard for the US to pull that off. It would still be anomalous though. That would only be 1 weapon.
A Russian strike wouldn't include a single warhead, or 5. It would be a definitively Russian strike.
Impeach. Now.
If voting made a difference it would be illegal. Princeton actually did a study, and surprise, voting has no impact whatsoever in the direction of the country's trajectory.
Embrace the facism! Or, walk away from the system. Me, I'm with Elsa, I'll let it go. Fuck those pieces of shit. Let them burn. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
ITS ALL CUZ OBAMA!!!!
seems like a scare tactic to ratchet up the fear of the merikan peeps.
You see, this petrodollar thing is serious guys. We already invaded a bunch of countries and completely destroyed them over it. It's the main event, the lynchpin, etc. It seems, based on recent events, that the global dominance of the dollar is secured by the full faith and credit of the U.S government and every military option up to and including world war III.
Nuc war = END of USA, LLC.
Russian Federation and China might survive, USA, LLC no chance.
yes
You know why?
Americans don't know how to boil water without gas and electricity. Sad.
The EU will be right in the middle of any US-Russian confrontation. Russia has circa 5K tactical nukes on its borders with Europe. There were over 50 million casualties in WWII. Did Europe learn anything from this experience? If you wonder how tough Russians are, study the Battle of Stalingrad.
Right, Lots of Krautsicles that winter. On another note, once nukes start flying it will be like a food fight at the U.N. cafeteria, every nation will have some shit on them.
After staring that the U.N. flag for a while, I got to thinking: Canada looks to me like it is stuck in the middle of a U.S.-Russian confrontation.
Here is to believing in Santa Claus!
scher probably wears his yamaka while planning to kill everyone
Nothing more dangerous that a failing slav with a brain disorder having control of nuclear arms. Russian people will take Puutie out before year end.
All of the Puutie nuclear warmongering is to tke the focus his economic disaster at home and the dead getting shpped back from Ukraine. Can he really believe another war will save his bungleing ass?
Hmm. Last I read, it is US threatening Russia. Not the other way around.
But I didn't expect you to know how to read.
Yea, Augustus's worldview seems to align somewhat with his moniker. Maybe he's being sarcastic.
You are only about a month behind in reading the news. Puutie's generals announced that they would use the nuclear option a month ago.
Back to sleep now for the Puutie Paid Puppy. Turnips not cooked yet.
Is that you Noodleman?
"Puutie's generals announced that they would use the nuclear option a month ago"
In response to what? now think boy! what prompted him to say this?
Come on son, you know the answer, spit it out. Yid got your tongue?
And you got actual evidence of this? Or is it western MSM that cannot actually read Russian or is using "Obscure" sources.
You must be a piss ant that has a Google block in Russia.
Russian General Calls for Preemptive Nuclear Strike Doctrine Against NATO
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-general-calls-for-preemptive-nuclear-strike-doctrine-against-nato/506370.html
Americans have a coup on their doorstep...smart general. You gotta be tough against bullies.
Do you have anything better than a Finnish owned media outlet known for lying?
That last one is from 2002.
By David Wastell in Washington
12:01AM GMT 10 Mar 2002
PRESIDENT BUSH has drawn up secret plans for nuclear conflict with at least seven countries, according to a classified Pentagon report leaked in Washington yesterday.
The report, signed by Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, says that America must be ready to use nuclear weapons against China, Russia, Iraq, North Korea, Iran, Libya and Syria.
Pentagon officials last night confirmed the existence of the top secret document to The Telegraph.
It is understood to identify three circumstances in which nuclear weapons could be used: "against targets able to withstand non-nuclear attack; in retaliation for the use of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons"; and "in the event of surprising military developments".
This is believed to reflect fears that terrorists, or rogue states, are planning to deploy previously unknown types of weapons against the United States.
outdated. some of those countries already have a central bank..
Too bad, Don. A first strike vs Russia means a counterstrike vs USA. Russia has now got too much defense and offense on the table.
If it is written in themoscowtimes.com then it is highly likely to be false.
Almost everything published by themoscowtimes.comis false, perhaps it is intended as satire but it often doesn't come across that way.
Hey, Piss Ant,
More confirmation for you, if you are allowed to get past the censor block that Puutie has on the serfs.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/max-seddon-russia-bizarre-nuclear-fever-dreams-article-1.2170315
The Kremlin declared its right to move nuclear installations to Crimea, ratcheting up tensions in the Ukraine crisis even further. As he recounted Moscow’s annexation of the peninsula in a state TV documentary last month, Vladimir Putin said that he had been prepared to put Russia’s nuclear forces on full alert in case Western countries tried to stop him.
Russia threatens to use 'nuclear force' over Crimea and the Baltic states
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-threatens-to-use-nuclear-force-over-crimea-and-the-baltic-states-10150565.html
Russian General Says Nuclear Arsenal Guarantees Superiority Over NATO
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-general-says-nuclear-arsenal-guarantees-superiority-over-nato/515162.html
Crimea is part of Russia...Russia has had a doctrine of using nuclear weapons in case it is attacked in any way for a long time, so that's not news. If you didn't know that nukes are a perfectly normal part of Russian defence doctrine in case of an invasion (now including Crimea) then you must be new to the world of geopolitics.
Crimea is a part of Ukraine. How much you get from Puutie to post the lies?
Educated Ukrainians leaving East Ukraine for Kiev:
Educated Ukrainians Flee East Ukraine for New Lives in Kievhttp://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/educated-ukrainians-flee-east-ukraine-for-new-lives-in-kiev/523682.html
You may have to chew on the propaganda turds to keep your paymaster happy. Haven't you learned not to swallow that shit?
The Department of State with people like you moron money throws.
Hey Augustus, Crimea is Russia.
But you are welcome to pick up a gun and go liberate Crimea. Send us a postcard when you make it to Yalta, LOL.
Dufus Agustus. You need another colonic.
Gibraltar is part of England. Malvinas part of England. Hawaii part of US.
Kaliningrad oblast part of Mother Russia. Crimea part of Russia.
Why don't you go to that weiner eating contest now and eat moar weiners?
Also Alaska is part of the US.
You keep using that website as a source, so I looked into it.
It is owned by "Demyan Kudryavtsev, a veteran Russian media manager and former business partner of Boris Berezovsky"
Wow, who would have guessed you are using propaganda from the like of good ole Russian traitor and criminal Boris?
Next time, get a real source. A legitimate source. Otherwise, don't embarrass yourself.
Beat me to it.
If only Obama loved America to half the degree as Putin obviously loves Russia....well, think of the possibilities....
Surely if Mexico started to invade Texas, Obama would....uh...umm.....oh shit...never mind.
You...are....an....idiot.
You are part of the problem dipshit.
Keep eating the sterno dude, its good for ya....