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Russia Condemns "Aggressive" US Weapons Deployment; Will Send Troops To Protect Border

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Cold War 2.0 is heating up week by week. In Ukraine, the fragile ceasefire struck four months ago in Minsk looks set to break down entirely with both the Ukrainian army and the Russia-backed separatists accusing each other of deploying heavy artillery in contested areas. 

Meanwhile, GOP presidential candidates in the US are getting set to hit the campaign trail with foreign policy at the forefront in terms of the issues voters are likely to focus on in the primaries. All candidates seem prepared to attack the Obama administration’s handling of what is predictably being billed as “Russian aggression”, with Hillary Clinton’s 2009 “reset” button media spectacle serving as the tie-in between the current administration and the presumed Democratic nominee. As for The White House, the President is looking to dust off the Cold War playbook by implementing a modern day “containment” policy in the face of what the West claims are illegitimate attempts by the Kremlin to redraw European borders by violating territorial sovereignty. 

As if all of this wasn’t enough to bring back memories of a bygone bipolarity, over the weekend we learned that the US is now set to “store” heavy weapons in Eastern Europe in an attempt to ensure NATO can respond quickly in the event Russia decides to do a bit more annexing. To recap (via NY Times):

In a significant move to deter possible Russian aggression in Europe, the Pentagon is poised to store battle tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other heavy weapons for as many as 5,000 American troops in several Baltic and Eastern European countries, American and allied officials say.

 

The proposal, if approved, would represent the first time since the end of the Cold War that the United States has stationed heavy military equipment in the newer NATO member nations in Eastern Europe that had once been part of the Soviet sphere of influence. Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the war in eastern Ukraine have caused alarm and prompted new military planning in NATO capitals.

Here’s a bit more color from WSJ:

Poland’s government is discussing with the U.S. the placement of heavy weapons on Polish territory, Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak said Sunday, amid jitters over Russia’s military moves in the region.

 

Since Russia’s annexation of Crimea from Ukraine last year, Warsaw has sought a permanent presence of U.S. troops in Poland and other countries in the former Soviet bloc that are now part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

 

“The U.S. is preparing a set of various measures, and among them the placement of heavy weaponry in Poland and other countries will be very important,” Mr. Siemoniak said.

 

(tanks in Poland last weekend)

 

“It’s relatively easy to move soldiers. It would be good, however, if the equipment was near the area of potential threat,” Mr. Siemoniak said.

 

Mr. Siemoniak said a rotational presence of U.S. forces would be maintained at least until the end of 2016.

Needless to say, Moscow — which has been quick to condemn recent NATO snap drills and war games — is not pleased with the prospect of more US weapons on its doorstep. Via Reuters:

Stationing heavy U.S. military equipment in the Baltic states and eastern Europe would amount to "the most aggressive step by the Pentagon and NATO" since the Cold War, Interfax news agency quoted a Russian Defense Ministry official as saying on Monday.

 

"Russia would be left with no other option but to boost its troops and forces on the western flank," General Yuri Yakubov was quoted as saying.

With everyone from Senate war hawks to billionaire philanthropists advocating for lethal aid shipments to Kiev, this latest escalation is likely just the beginning of what could morph into a full-on proxy war between the West and Moscow.

 

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Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:07 | 6198043 Freddie
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Heavy tanks from NATO?  Russia just needs to build a few more Metis and Kornet anti-tank missiles.

Nice to see Russia protect her border.   Congress, Obola and the US military do nothing to protect Amerika's border.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:15 | 6198076 two hoots
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The more things change the more........

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:29 | 6198122 SickDollar
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WWIII just around the corner

 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:41 | 6198170 Freedom In Your...
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Until societies teach their young men to shun people trying to send them to war, until those young men refuse to fight for masters who only want more control and power, humans are doomed to replay history over and over. The only thing that changes is the magnitude of destruction from previous wars and empires.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:06 | 6198298 Gambit
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Amen, brother. 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:09 | 6198321 BlowsAgainstthe...
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Can you imagine how wet Victoria Nutland is right now? 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:58 | 6198595 Paveway IV
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Wouldn't it be great if Poland finally grew a pair and told the U.S. (and their NATO stooges) to get the FUCK out of Poland and take their Nazi training camps with them? I mean, we killed all their politicians that didn't like the U.S. so they're probably scared of that, but it would be nice to see someone stand up for themselves for a change.

Seriously, what does Poland have to gain by brown-nosing the U.S. today? There's only so many bribes you can squeeze out of a dying western power. At some ponit, Poland is going to find the leech that was feeding off of their blood is dead and there's no more bribes or military gear in it for them.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 15:03 | 6198944 Latina Lover
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Never happen. Remember how a Polish Presidents plane mysteriously crashed in Russia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 16:46 | 6199459 Amish FinEng
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"Russia could be left with no other option but to boost its troops and forces on the western flank,".

Yea. This is what the Amish would do. We won't let the fucking USSA Federal government get away with that shit!

Try it motherfucker. I've got some potent algorithms.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 14:09 | 6198649 TungstenBars
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Hey, some of us are trying to eat lunch!

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:12 | 6198338 BlowsAgainstthe...
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"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

 

~Hermann Goering (but you could substitute McCain, Graham, King or any of the other neocon-controlled tools here)

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 15:46 | 6199159 Augustus
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How about substituting Vlad Putin?  He is the commie who did the calculating about invading and oppupying Crimea and Georgia.  Now that Russian bodies are being shipped home as ashes from Ukraine he has banned the reporting of the news of their deaths.  His foolish adventure has lead to the implosion of the Russian economy and reduction in whatever freedoms the serfs thought they had gained.  Puutie will be taken out by his oligarch friends before year end.

 

Latina Liver and Cosmo would likely then become unemployed propagandists.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 21:29 | 6200292 Shipwrecked
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Yes! How about Puuttie's most recent aggression against Georgia? He employed his secret weather weapon to flood Tbilisi's Zoo so predators attack NATO personnel. Don't believe the media that all lions and tigers are liquidated. NATO headquarters in Georgia are now one big bloody mess. We need to retaliate by flooding the Moscow Zoo. Augustie, don't despare! True patriots are with you!

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:44 | 6198520 TwoHoot
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Thank you, two hoots. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:22 | 6198077 fleur de lis
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NATO and their DC pimps have bet the house on winning a fight with Russia.  So let them have the fight. Russia will rid us of this pestilent pseudo-army and its fabulously pretentious officer corps, always dolled up in the latest haute couture uniforms. We've wasted enough money on them already. Let the Russians waste money on them for a change. 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:34 | 6198149 Headbanger
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No.

Russia will rid US, including fucking idiots like you.

Duh

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:31 | 6198455 fleur de lis
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Really? So you think NATO is a viable army ready to take on the Russians? And do you think that antagonizing the Russians on their own border is a smart idea? And you think that the oceans of tax money poured into NATO is well spent? What bright idea do you have to stop them from picking and losing a fight and sticking us with the bill? 

NATO is a pestilence and the sooner it folds the better.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 15:50 | 6199177 Augustus
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Imploding Russian economy and further decline in oil prices will leave Puutie with little to waste.  Actually, he has none to waste now if he wants to remain in office for the full term. 

It seems that any further escapades from Puutie will face full opposition with adequate weapons.  Of course his generals are upset.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:17 | 6198079 pods
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Sounds expensive. I guess the USA will just have to issue more debt?

I mean, with ISIS all the rage, and now Russia threatening to protect it's border, it's the only patriotic thing to do.

-The FED Bankers.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:46 | 6198098 Freddie
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Looks like  the M1 is a bigger piece of shit than we were led to believe.  Iraq had junk and destroyed the M1.  I never saw these pictures of M1 destroy and American kids killed by defense contractors.  Russia's Metis and Kornet anti-tank missiles will be more effective. 

If anyone thinks anyone in the US Govt/MIC gives a shit about your kid in uniform - you are delusional.  It is all about destroying stuff and weapons so military contractors can make tens of billions more.   Lootinging America and screwing taxpayers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvoaD6Vnkg

Hezbollah had Kornets and Metis anti tank missiles and destroyed Merkava's and at least 1 Israeli M1.

And who makes the M1?  The Krinsky/Crown klan. A family very close to both Kennedy Assasinations

http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/04/crown-crime-family-of-chicago.html

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 14:13 | 6198665 MonetaryApostate
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All wars are banker wars, ok we should change that to Corporate Wars, because I assure Exxon Mobile, Cargill, John Deere, and Monsanto all are in on the whole Ukraine Fiasco...

 

I guess the wealthy figured out how to turn lead to gold after all... (Just use bullets, spray and steal...)

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:21 | 6198096 HonkyShogun
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Victoria Noodleman is making butter.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:31 | 6198130 fleur de lis
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Icky Vicky is probably reading her daddy's book "How We Die" to see if it can get her any mileage out of the war she wants. That hateful skank is such a parasite that she went to the time and trouble of learning fluency in Russian so she could be more efficient at starting a fight with them and getting everybody else to pay for it in blood and treasure. Her two brats are of age--they should be drafted and dropped into the midst of it all when things get hot. 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:32 | 6198138 Elliott Eldrich
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Dear Russia,

Congratulations on becoming "the enemy" again! It's been a while, and you have been so very missed. 

Kisses,

The Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex. 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:24 | 6198290 Volkodav
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latest is verba

 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:43 | 6198517 chunga
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Ergodan seems to me like a big wildcard.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:51 | 6198561 lasvegaspersona
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The defeat of Russian made tanks in the 1990 assault in Iraq surely sent them back to the drawing board when it came to tank design and the use of tanks in warfare. The Abrams M1 seems to have put the Russian 72s out of bisness in a hurry. 

I suspect all this stuff is 'fighting the last war'.

The next will likely be about knowing where the enemy is and just droning them before they start their engines.

Both sides now have anti-tank missiles and rockets that would seem to make the tank little more than a shield and a stationary one at that.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:09 | 6198049 KnuckleDragger-X
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Nothing like a little good old fashioned brinksmanship and with President Zippy and Ketchup-boy running foreign policy, things should go just swimmingly.......

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:09 | 6198051 WTFUD
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An ICBM into Kiev and Warsaw will shut these FUCKERS UP.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:11 | 6198063 cherry picker
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An ICBM into DC would do the same.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:22 | 6198097 Thick Willy
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Israel, New York, and London are the capitols you're looking for.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:29 | 6198121 booboo
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Less collateral damage if a rogue MOAB fell on the yearly gathering of big cheese ass munchers, maybe during the opening Pud Pull ceremony or the evening Skin Pole Dance.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:25 | 6198109 El Vaquero
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Yes, but unfortunately, it would not shut up our ICBMs, nor would it shut up our SLBMs. If you're going to launch one, you might as well launch 100.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 16:08 | 6199283 wendigo
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Or them all. Total devastation response, and all that. 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:10 | 6198054 roadhazard
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heh

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:12 | 6198055 Space Animatoltipap
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5000 Troops. Wauw, this is really impressive. 5000 Fat, lazy, unmotivated, underpaid, aged men who like to play games on their ipads and watch porn. Frau Merkel and her Eastern Euorpean friends must be really pleased. Rheinmetall will be pleaed, of course. 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:18 | 6198088 Manthong
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Did you omit "homo" on purpose?

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:21 | 6198095 two hoots
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Vlad is the front man for the defense industry, ours.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:46 | 6198530 TwoHoot
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Thank you, two hoots. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:14 | 6198058 JustObserving
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The Nobel Prize Winner spreading sweetness and light in this world.  Hillary and Jeb will out do him though.

US to station troops, heavy weaponry on Russia’s border


By Barry Grey 
15 June 2015

 

In a brazen move to prepare for war with Russia, the United States is planning to permanently station battle tanks and other heavy weaponry and maintain a force of up to 5,000 US troops in the Baltic States and other Eastern European NATO countries that were once part of the Soviet Union or its periphery.

The move, first reported over the weekend by the New York Times, was confirmed Sunday by the Polish Defense Ministry, which said that it is negotiating a plan with Washington to deploy American heavy weaponry on Polish soil. Polish Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak indicated that he had discussed the plan last month with military officials in Washington and had been assured that a decision would be made soon.

The pre-positioning of tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored howitzers and other instruments of war is an immense escalation of the US-led drive to compel Russia to accept American domination of Eurasia and its own reduction to semicolonial status. It brings the entire region, already bristling with arms, to the brink of war, threatening the entire world with a nuclear holocaust.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/06/15/ukra-j15.html

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:18 | 6198078 Ignatius
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JO, you're skirting dangerously close to infringing on settled copyright here:

"threatening the entire world with a nuclear holocaustTM."

We know you'll choose your words more carefully in the future...if we have one.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:20 | 6198092 JustObserving
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I think the future will be short and very, very bright - brighter than a thousand suns

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:32 | 6198133 MrPalladium
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Typical U.S. ploy. Station a few thousand soldiers isolated many miles forward from the main force who then face certain slaughter if the U.S. manages to provoke a Russian attack.  Sacrificial lambs tethered to the stake to make it look like Russia is the agressor, just like 2000 sailors in Pearl Harbor who's sole purpose was to provide an excuse for total war against Japan, the victim of a U.S. naval blockade. Having served a year in the Berlin Brigade in 1971 (10,000 of us surrounded by 250,000 Russian and East German troops) I know how it feels.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:10 | 6198059 dlfield
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Uh, shouldn't we be invading Mexico...or Canadia?

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:18 | 6198082 TheMeatTrapper
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We should be defending our borders - not other peoples borders. 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:28 | 6198118 yellowsub
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FYI, everywhere is the US border...

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:59 | 6198266 silverer
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yellowsub:  Good point.  Except where it matters, eh?

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:36 | 6198154 Duude
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Isn't 'Canadia' a region of Atlantis?

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:10 | 6198061 lawyer4anarchists
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The idea that the people are in charge in this country is as laughable as the idea that the people are in charge in Russia.  It's just the people in this country actually think they are. The fact is the peoples' most basic right has always been denied by the gov and the courts.   http://www.thetruthaboutthelaw.com/the-supreme-court-stole-your-right-to...

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:11 | 6198062 FreeShitter
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The Rothchilds play both sides.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:58 | 6198594 tired1
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The Rothchilds play All sides.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:11 | 6198064 Athemos
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Buy shares of defense contractors?

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:18 | 6198084 WTFUD
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If your fighting with a Pole it's all body and no head shots; they're like Homer Simpson.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:20 | 6198093 Thick Willy
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Culturally speaking Poland has much more in common with Russia than the West.  You don't see gays brazenly prowling the streets of Warsaw without getting their teeth kicked in.  Abortion is illegal, despite E.U. requirements that women be able to murder babies (they gave them a pass since a Polish woman can always travel to another E.U. country to murder her baby).  They're Christian and serious about it, unlike the West.  Polish Defense League hangs around in nightclubs making sure Polish women don't leave with Arabs or blacks.  Poland is over 99% white.

On the other hand they love America and hate Russia.  It will be sad to see what Western n***er-fag-whore culture does to Poland over these next few decades.  All the young people listening to "black music" (as the Europeans call it), gay marriage and abortion in once Catholic Poland, and a massive wave of Arab Muslim and African "refugees" for the Polish tax payer to feed, house, clothe, and be victimized by.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:56 | 6198248 Winston Churchill
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No need to worry.

Poland will be destroed again , the geography and the stupidy ensure it.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:54 | 6198573 Thick Willy
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Agreed.  They aren't so much brave as oblivious.  And they see no problem whining about how they didn't have enough guns/ammo to fight the Germans/Russians in WW2 while maintaining an anti-gun society today.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:58 | 6198258 silverer
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I would think they get their fair share of US propaganda there.  Follow the money.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:22 | 6198407 TungstenBars
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Even so, their gullibility seems unmatched as a country. The intelligence there (or lack thereof) makes me think they should be studied by psychologists, anthropologists and soon archaeologists. 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:22 | 6198100 localizer
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Keep pushing that Russian bear, don't be surprized when it finally retaliates...

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:46 | 6198195 bbq on whitehou...
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The bear is blind, deaf and dimwitted. Old broken and hideing in its cave, trying to go back to sleep. Theres no threat from Russia. Thats why its used as propaganda, so the old can think back to hiding under desks.
Russia would have to move subs and start launching missles off the east coast. Or just strait up burn a city before anyone takes Russia seriously.
Its all show untill the powers go quiet. Only the silence tells you what is and is not important.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:57 | 6198253 silverer
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Hmm... I'd like to read your one sentence capsule describing the US government.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:34 | 6198469 Pliskin
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He hasn't got one Siilverer, he only knows what .gov tell him...

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:25 | 6198108 shutterbug
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Public justice for all Rothchilds and all other billionairs, Just out of principle for the ( not so small) posibility they are the cause for current warmongering. Oh, include the current USA government. They are worse then any maffia....

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:25 | 6198111 Consuelo
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"As for The White House, the President is looking to dust off the Cold War playbook by implementing a modern day 'containment' policy in the face of what the West claims are illegitimate attempts by the Kremlin to redraw European borders by violating territorial sovereignty."

 

Not sure about the 'dust-off' part, as the PNAC infused Wolfowitz Doctrine has been standard policy -- for how long now...?   I think it is safe to suggest that Mr. Putin knows who these people are; where they come from and who calls the shots with regard to U.S. foreign policy.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:53 | 6198232 Freddie
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The PNAC gang are pretty much the same people the NYC and London banksters sent to Russia in 1917 as Bolsheviks.   They murdered 25 million Russian Christians.

These same European banksters aka Red Shield and others murder millions of Christian Europeans in endless wars.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:02 | 6198283 Winston Churchill
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Close, but you need to go further back.

Wofovitz stole his doctrine from the Brits and their Great Game.

russia is used to being the target, yet there they still are.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:30 | 6198115 farflungstar
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AmeriKan track record with reality around the world lately has been spotty, at best. Especially when they are threatening war with some country or another. As a matter of course, and because I'm AmeriKan, I have to believe that the people in their home region, on the defensive, are being more truthful at this point than the aggressive country and her cohorts.

Heh, same went for Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan and Syria.

Fuck the Ukraine and fuck George Soros.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:30 | 6198131 stant
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The rubicon to cross is in maryland

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:32 | 6198137 Monetas
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We honor our NATO commitments .... Putin renegs on Ukrainian sovereignity !

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:34 | 6198150 Volkodav
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Ukraine has never been a sovereign nation.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:24 | 6198420 Latina Lover
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Hey Monetas, how is that EU visa application coming along, ROTFL!

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:31 | 6198452 Pliskin
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They told him to 'Go fuck hiself' the same as the EU did to Ukraine.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:41 | 6198167 angel_of_joy
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Do you work for potatoes too ? Your predecesors did...

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:49 | 6198207 Bunghole
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Ukraine is not part of NATO, but we all know skool iz hard

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:54 | 6198234 silverer
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Monetas, In case anyone didn't understand your statement, I'll help translate it: We knuckle under to NATO who takes their orders from the central banks and the powers behind them, and Putin is silly because he follows international law and doesn't go along with the US backed crew who took over the Ukraine.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:43 | 6198513 bid the soldier...
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Our NATO Committments.

To sell the NATO countries as much armaments and missiles, whether they work or not,  as the MIC can can grind out. Boosting our Balance of Payments.  Yay)

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:32 | 6198139 Lin S
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Has anyone ever read the book, "The Winds of War"..?

If you have, do you see any parallels, here?

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:04 | 6198291 Winston Churchill
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Herman Wouk, a good read, but shallow.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:32 | 6198140 will ling
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just tweak the nukes and keep the balls to use 'em vlad.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:33 | 6198143 Duude
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In response to Putin's rhetoric, Hillary says she'll send another reset button, and Obama says everyone misuderstood him.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 14:19 | 6198706 Berspankme
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Obama is waiting for the evening news to learn about it. He jacks off to Wulf Blitzer every night

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:34 | 6198146 bbq on whitehou...
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This is what happens when people dont take M.A.D. seriously. If your not willing to end the game others will always cheat.
Putin is just not willing to end his privlaged lifestyle, so he will lose everything.
Russia will lose this game of gotcha, fingerpointing and propaganda. Russia can't play cold war games because they don't have the money machines that the west has.
Putin either wants the breakup of Russia and to profit from its destruction or hes and idiot. Either way tit for tat will not win the game for Putin's Russia.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:43 | 6198184 angel_of_joy
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The idiot is you ! You forgot that we don't have an economy to make wars with... Faking currency & statistics inside some FED computer doesn't count as "economy".

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:48 | 6198202 silverer
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We go from M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction) to D.E.A.D. (Damned Egotists Actually Detonated)

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:38 | 6198488 bid the soldier...
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HELLO?  HELLO?  ANYBODY THERE?

 

George "Baby" Bush ended MAD in 2002 when he withdrew the US from the ABM Treaty.  If you don't know how that worked, you can take a remedial course in Foreign Policy.

 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:34 | 6198147 fremannx
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This is just the kind of military and political behavior Gorbachev has warned about. He is afraid a nuclear war could break out if one country makes the wrong move...

http://www.globaldeflationnews.com/gorbachev-warns-of-major-war-even-nuc...

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:34 | 6198148 BigRedRider
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I guess Russia is now experiencing what JFK and the U.S. went through in October 1962 when Russia stuck nuclear missles in Cuba.

 

Hey fuckface Vlad, Karma's a bitch, isnt it?

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:39 | 6198163 The Delicate Genius
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yeah Putin had a lot to do with the Cuban missile crisis.

Did they cut back on your meds?

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:40 | 6198168 BigRedRider
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Fuck off, dork.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:45 | 6198187 angel_of_joy
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Moron with an attitude, so American...

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:51 | 6198218 Bunghole
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A small penis will do that to you.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:54 | 6198576 bid the soldier...
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Or a botched circumcision 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:56 | 6198584 Latina Lover
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And no EU Visa will also make you hostile.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:27 | 6198435 Pliskin
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Oh man, what an excellent come-back...

You truly are the king of ZHers

 

 

 

 

NOT!

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:46 | 6198537 Volkodav
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how old are you?

weak troll

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 15:26 | 6199072 basho
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what a funny post lol

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:44 | 6198182 silverer
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Hey BigRedRider, think you can outpedal the Tsar Bomba?

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:52 | 6198222 Bunghole
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Give him a minute.

He's Googling that 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 14:15 | 6198677 Berspankme
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Bigredcuntface is a tool. And keyboard rambo- Bigredcuntface why don't you go visit Vlad and call him a fuckface? Your ignorance is astounding

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:11 | 6198328 Pliskin
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I think you're on the wrong website mate, you're looking for Foxnewsbullshit.com..

 

It's O.K. dude, simple mistake to make....for a tard!

 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:18 | 6198385 DutchBoy2015
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Big Red Dickhead  Just to show how goddam STUPID you are.  Do you know WHY Russia put nukes in Cuba?????

Well, let me educate you.   The USA put nukes in Turkey first.  THATS why.

Thats your lesson for the day, kid.

 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 14:28 | 6198757 Freddie
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Atlas ICBMs,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM-65_Atlas

It was built for the U.S. Air Force by Convair Division of General Dynamics at the Kearny Mesa assembly plant north of San Diego, California.

Ah the Crown/Krinsky crime family again. Big supports of Obola, LBJ and AIPAC.

http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/04/crown-crime-family-of-chicago.html

 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:43 | 6198518 Volkodav
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Ignorant post    You know nothing about this subject

Atlas icbm in turkey aimed at USSR first.

your TV 'programming' never told you that...

media dumb you down much?

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 15:25 | 6199070 basho
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what a funny post. lol

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:15 | 6198159 The Delicate Genius
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hey managed to get a couple comments up and linked to ZeroHedge on the Times website

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/15/world/asia/the-trans-pacific-trade-dea...

Give credit to the Times for still being willing to post comments like mine. A couple links directly accused the Times of dishonesty in covering Ukraine.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:38 | 6198160 smacker
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If I were Putin, I'd wait until NATO has stored all its military stuff close to his border and then begin a huge fracking programme right next door. Install a few powerful hi-tech comms signal blockers to mess things up a bit.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:41 | 6198171 silverer
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Sometimes I wonder why Russia just doesn't launch every damn thing they have in their arsenal at the US,  because the US is like herpes:  You know it will always come back to make you miserable.  Who is at fault is the US majority of sheeple, who just don't think human beings with hopes and dreams for a future exist anywhere else in the world except in the US and in Hollywood.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:25 | 6198423 Pliskin
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Hold on a minute Silverer, Herpes comes BACK? 

Shit!!

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 15:10 | 6199005 Alvin Fernald
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Even though the sheeple are asleep and ignorant does not mean they are totally at fault.
It's the people who execute US foreign policy who should take the most blame.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:41 | 6198173 22winmag
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Just more high value targets to hijack or blow up.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:45 | 6198180 Monetas
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Russia has not earned the right .... to be a custodian .... of world peace .... they can be a player with us .... but, not a leader .... so suck up your twisted pride .... dip shit Putin .... and make a positive contribution .... to the family of democratic nations .... or eat in the kitchen .... with the help !

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:02 | 6198281 silverer
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You are right!  Things need to be equal:  C'mon Russia! follow the US example and place your tanks, heavy weapons and troops on the Canadian and Mexican borders!

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 15:14 | 6199016 Alvin Fernald
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This is a really good example of what you are talking about. This should stir up cog dis in some folks.

Ron Paul China invasion video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDJMG5N6b_4

Mon, 06/22/2015 - 10:45 | 6220461 TheGreatRecovery
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PERFECT!  Thanks.

IMHO, that deserves a whole lot of upvotes.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:10 | 6198324 rejected
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Let's see,,,

The USSR (Russia) lost 20,000,000 fighting fascism in WWII

The USA lost 300,000.( another 112,000 fighting Japan)

Maybe you can explain what and WHY it is necessary for any nation to be a 'custodian of world peace'... much less one who played a comparatively small part in the defeat of Nazism.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:15 | 6198359 The Delicate Genius
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The Bolsheviks *were* fascists, at least in the more modern sense of totalitarian...

How many people did the Bolsheviks kill before fighting the Germans? 20, 30 million - of their own people.

I'm not sure the Bolsheviks were the good guys, particularly given their behavior after the war - more like two evil governmental systems killing lots of innocent people.

That the Germans hated based on race, and the Bolsheviks based on class distinction and of course anyone who didn't believe their line of bull... is to me a distinction without a difference, really.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:16 | 6198375 DutchBoy2015
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Bolsheviks = Zionist Jews.   

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 15:23 | 6199065 basho
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"That the Germans hated based on race, and the Bolsheviks based on class distinction "

just plain BS. lol


Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:15 | 6198366 DutchBoy2015
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Monetas= a true shit for brains retard.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:22 | 6198408 Pliskin
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Come on Dutchboy, that's a bit harsh on the retards!!

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:50 | 6198557 bid the soldier...
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DutchBoy is magnificent when his Tourette's kicks in.

Definitely worth waiting for.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:20 | 6198395 Pliskin
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'Russia has not earned the right .... to be a custodian .... of world peace .... '

What, and the U.S has?  Blow it out your ass Monetas, you're talking shit AGAIN.

Democratic = U.S.A I think not...

Go and suck Hillary's cock and be thankful for it bitch!

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 15:20 | 6199044 basho
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you've got the perfect avatar, spread 'em wide ass*ole, lmao

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:43 | 6198183 Hannibal
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It appears Russia has the balls and means to protect its borders.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:03 | 6198188 earleflorida
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Perfect tyming for China to take up the diversion torch!

Russia needs a break[?] 

It's nice when 'Two`3/4' World-Powers', can work in tandem, against a overextended non-existent colonial power of the mid-20th century that's running on 66.6% empty, or a stall'd '666' ready to strike a midnight`churn? 

Obi1 the genius,.. overhishead and outofhisleague, commader and chief #II 

China will accost Taiwan via trade,... or, better yet, clip another feather from Japan's flight-deficit. Driving an illiquid[dating?]-diving trade-depression[able?], nationalizing a once Abe[L] body, unto a kamikaze`swan song!

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:45 | 6198189 tuttisaluti
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O Lord, send brain to these idiots

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:50 | 6198214 anachronism
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Forget the Baltics! This is the least likely area where a war between NATO and Russia would start. 1/3 of their population is ethnic Russian, most of which are legally alienated from the rest of their non-Russian majorities. NATO bases in these countries find themselves in hostile territory. So, it is not that Russia couldn't overrun these miniature countries. But, from there, what else would Russia do? Poland would put up a hell of a fight; and would continue to resist even after their military was defeated.

The war will be in Ukraine. Look at Moldova-Transdniestra, Odessa, and of course Kharkov. Of these, Transdniestra is the most precarious, since Romania -also a member of NATO- could be tempted to take the side of Moldova and Ukraine. Russia cannot come to the defense, nor to reinforce, the 1,500 troops it mainatins there without flying over and/or driving through Ukrainian territory. If Russia moves to defend its troops and its base in Trandniestra, it has to subdue Ukrainian forces in and around Odessa. To get to Odessa, the Russians have to drive though half of what is being referred to as "Novorossiya" by the separatists: Ukraine east of the Dneiper River.

John Kerry recently warned the Ukrainians to back down from its harssing artillery fires against Donbass, to stop calling for the return of Crimea, and to continue to honor the treaty with Russia which allows for transport of men and materials to/from Trandniestra. Right after that, his leg broke.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:52 | 6198220 kchrisc
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Russia is still missing the best deterrent: Promise to nuke Israel FIRST and hard in any war, and that would end this Zionist intrigue real quick like.

Zion could move on to stealing gold and fostering war in Sweden or something.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:15 | 6198363 Pliskin
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That's an interesting idea, if Israel attacked Sweden wouldn't all the other EU countries join in against Israel?

 

Probably not.  Chickenshits!

 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 12:56 | 6198240 rejected
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Man, I am sooooo tired of listening/hearing/reading this bullshit and getting drug along by the rest of the Amerikan lemmings who don't seem to mind complete and total destruction of the planet to include their deaths and that of their loved ones.

Ukraine = Fascist Nazi's wanting to purge their nation of the impure. (Sound familiar?)

Poland = Fanatic Paranoid Nutzo Fascist / Nazi wannabees. They have it in for Russia because of the occupation but give the Germans (who started it all) a pass. Dumbshits with a capital D. 

EU = Prostitutes bending over and spreading wide for the u.f.s.a. Apparently enjoy having their nations destroyed once or twice every century.

U.F.S.A = Rabid Rottweilers lusting for world 'full spectrum dominance', their own nation a complete disaster with a population of thugs and thieves. It backs the destruction and killing of Palestinians in Gaza, the destruction and killing of Russians in Ukraine, the destruction and killing of Syrians, the destruction and killing of Libyans, the destruction and killing of Iraqi's. Afghanistan, Yemen, Iran and anywhere else they happen to land.

N.A.T.O = Lapdog u.f.s.a occupation army. Creates it's own purpose for existence. Chickenshits who strike anyone that cannot defend themselves. Leg breaking enforcers for the Mafioso in Washington. 

There is no need for any of this bullshit. Putting war equipment on Russia's borders is nothing but propaganda nonsense for the Zit's back home and a slap on Russia which could take out said installations in minutes. 

Who benefits from all the BS?  The Western Fascist Military Industrial Complex and their slime pals, the banksters, Wall Street, and the jack asses in London and Brussels.

Who pays with blood and treasure?  The same gullible ignoramuses that buy into their line of crap dragging the rest of us with them. 

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 14:34 | 6198802 Freddie
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+1

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 21:12 | 6200257 Lin S
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+ 2

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:01 | 6198277 Dominus Ludificatio
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Everithing the US does has the opposite intented effect.You would think they would learn it is not a bluffing game.They are turning Russia into a war focused machine.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:11 | 6198330 The Delicate Genius
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The Reckless Lies of War Mongers
Why the Rise of Fascism is Again the Issue:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/27/why-the-rise-of-fascism-is-again-...

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:16 | 6198369 exartizo
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you know...

NORAD moving back to Cheyenne Mountain and Russia "developing" oil resources in the Arctic just don't seem much like "coincidences" any more.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:21 | 6198376 Hannibal
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Putin's Ukraine Strategy Brilliantly Explained by Top Russian Politician (Video)

http://russia-insider.com/en/putins-ukraine-strategy-brilliantly-explain...

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:30 | 6198450 Volkodav
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be careful starikov

he covers a lot, but still narrow of whole

some of what he miss is he does not identify with those on the ground..

never been there..never visit

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 16:06 | 6199270 Bankster Kibble
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Very persuasive analysis.  But Russia no doubt remembers that Hitler waited for months before the invasion of Russia while he pre-positioned troops and tanks within a couple miles of the border.  I expect Russia will position lots of munitions a kilometer from the border on her own side and then wait for somebody to accidentally stick a toe over the line.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:52 | 6198556 Trucker Glock
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I imagine U.S. taxpayer will get the bill for landscaping repair in Poland.

"(tanks in Poland last weekend)"

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 13:55 | 6198581 Z_End
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It will be interesting to see the Russian counter move on this. They have obviously thought about this in advance. I wonder if we will see a stepped up Russian presence in the Western hemisphere? Other than than the bomber fights. Perhaps more port visits in Cuba, and Venezuala. The Russians won't be led easily into war.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 21:01 | 6200232 Lin S
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The fact that they're not forward-deploying to friendly Belarus suggests Russian caution, in my mind.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 14:05 | 6198633 SmedleyButlersGhost
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“It’s relatively easy to move soldiers. It would be good, however, if the equipment was near the area of potential threat,”

Kind of Like all the military equipment staged at All of the local Cop shops?

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 14:17 | 6198695 asfffasfff
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ww3 or FIRST NUCLEAR WAR

 

at least the first nuclear war may will be the last nuclear war?

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 21:00 | 6200227 Lin S
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I think nuc war = end of USA, LLC.

I'm not sure if Russia or China won't survive, I'm guessing they will to one degree or another.

But USA, LLC will be gone.

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 15:21 | 6199051 The Delicate Genius
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NYT Can't Make Its Ukraine Lies Fit - http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/01/28/2873

Mon, 06/15/2015 - 15:56 | 6199207 WTFUD
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Vichy DC's contempt for folks knows no bounds.

When you listen to Putin you know your listening to a proper statesman. Compare and contrast to the Republican contenders in particular, Cruz, Perry , Bush; it's very embarrassing,
EVEN if it's bravado or a tactic designed to appeal to the 'pea brained' American voter.
Obama & Clinton ( what difference does it make? ) are 3rd Division; pig ignorant.

Look at the shit for brains in the EU, Merkel, Hollande. Cameron , the Public Schoolboy Div.
It really is scary that this bunch of mediocre , bought and paid for lackeys are the best we can muster. NO they are where they are because they can follow instruction.

I feel for Putin turning up to speak with this shower of Errand Boys. Let he/they who pull the strings come forward for crying out loud.

Tue, 06/16/2015 - 01:38 | 6200847 onmail
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Read the future :

The rich caballah capitalists & banksters using their political american puppets have taken possession of America

Using its might they now want to capture resources of the entire world.

And also to destroy their old persecutors.

For that they will go for a world war centered in middle east to defeat & destroy arab nations.

However, in every war there is a strategy to create distraction. 

Russia is the distraction (using Ukraine)

So west will create distraction with war at the borders of Russia , keep it engaged so that it has no time to think about elsewhere in the world , demonize it.

While at the same time it will wage real war in middle east, grab the oil fields and help Israel become larger & larger.

When Israel gobbles up all middle east oilfields , then west will make final lethal attack on Russia with the objective of weaken it so much that it is broken up in many pieces and here too the west will aim to capture its oil fields and other natural resources. Their aim is to make Russia exist no more as a threat to the cabal capitalists & banksters so that they can rule the world unhindered & remain rich , richer, richest. Vampires.

Nuclear world war is inevitable due to their greed (of west).

But what will actually happen is different. 

I believe that nobody wins the nuclear war 

Prepare yourself for the 

Armageddon.

It has already started with the 9/11 as the fall of the great statue with head of gold & feet of clay.

 

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