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9 Confirmed Dead After White Gunman Opens Fire On Black Congregation In Charleston Church, Shooter At Large
9 people are confirmed dead, including State Senator Clementa Pinckney...
Rev. Clementa Pinckney was just 41. Pastor, state Senator, and he was killed in his own church. #CharlestonShooting pic.twitter.com/GWflNYYZwP
— britni danielle (@BritniDWrites) June 18, 2015
, after a white gunman opened fire inside one of Charleston’s oldest and most well known black churches tonight.
Mayor Joe Riley exclaimed, "this is an unspeakable and heartbreaking tragedy in this most historic church, an evil and hateful person took the lives of citizens who had come to worship and pray together.”
As The Post and Courier reports, a bomb threat complicated the investigation and prompted police to ask nearby residents to evacuate. The shooter is still at large...
Police and emergency vehicles swarmed several blocks surrounding Henrietta and Calhoun streets, just east of Marion Square. Barricades blocked off several streets to traffic, and police asked nearby residents to leave their homes.
The shooting occurred around 9 p.m. inside Emanuel AME Church at 110 Calhoun St. Police were seen exiting the 19th century church, and their presence extended blocks beyond the site.
Police were still looking for the gunman late Wednesday, and helicopters are hovering above. Police spokesman Charles Francis described the suspect as a 21-year-old white male in a gray sweatshirt/hoodie and jeans with Timberland boots. He has a slender build.
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As The NY Times reports,
Around 10:45 p.m., police officers at the scene drew their weapons and later escorted a man in handcuffs, who appeared to match that description.
But officials said later that they were still searching for the gunman.
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In a latest update, AP reports,
Charleston police say nine people have been killed in a shooting at a historic black church in what authorities intend to investigate as a hate crime.
Police Chief Greg Mullen says eight people were found dead Wednesday at Emanuel AME Church and another person died later at the hospital.
Mullen says a prayer meeting was going on at the church at the time of the shooting.
The shooter, described as a white male, was not yet in custody.
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Was it an actual white man, or a black man who "feels" like hes white?
In anycase, terrible loss of life. . . world is going to hell in a handbasket.
Was the crazed gunman cover for what would be a real assassination?
Could this story be spun with lots of racial innuendo? Sure, and might be warranted. I'm waiting to see how much coverage the assassination gets.
Prayers to the innocent life lost...
Racial hatred incited by the Daily Beast, HuffPo, Buzzfeed and others, with the recent pool party debacles - all propaganda outlets for the current regime - perfect time for a false flag.
Helter Skelter Bitchez
Shit like this used to happen a lot. But now there are more people, and thus more potential nutjobs and more potential victims. It doesn't mean that your chances of getting shot, blown up, etc... has increased. It's just a numbers game. More people, more fuckwads. On top of that, events like this can be spread around the globe via media much faster than they could have even a couple of decades ago. Or another way of putting it is, double the number of people, double the number of likely massacres.
A piece of trivia: The deadliest school massacre in US history was in the 1920s in Bath, MI.
Trivia expanded for additional reading...
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Bath_School_disaster
Boris is confusing... how big is gunman!?
"The shooter is not yet in custody."
Wow what a fucking manipulative way of putting it. Might as well say:
"The shooter is presently in jail for negative 6 days to be eventually be captured!"
im white and live in detroit, and had a lovely talk with a 70 year old black neighbor this afternoon. so theres that.
South Carolina Concealed Weapon Laws
CONCEALED WEAPON PERMITS
SECTION 23-31-205
This article may be cited as the “Law Abiding Citizens Self Defense Act of 1996”.
(M) A permit issued pursuant to this section does not authorize a permit holder to carry a concealable weapon into a:(9) church or other established religious sanctuary unless express permission is given by the appropriate church official or governing body
Yeah, WTF, can you believe that guy broke the law (ccw)....on his way to...breaking another law (murder). I mean the whole thing should have been prevented by the code cited above, right Mr. Bloomberg?
Keep your 2nd amendment right no matter the cost gentlemen, for it is the only right that guarantees all the others!
A "Gun Free Zone" was selected by the murderer because defenseless people are easy prey.
Try to keep up, Mr. Bloomberg.
For the excruciatingly slow:
1. law-abiding, non-murderer church-goers OBEY the restriction on concealed carry and end up defenseless
2. psycho killer pussies CHOOSE places where lawful concealed carry is prohibited
Despite the churn and burn,
I wish to convey my sympathy to the survivors and pray that the congregation finds the strength to heal.
Does anyone else believe this is an isolated incident? I didn't think so... What better way to push your gun-control legislation than for a convenient racially charged mass murder by a "white guy"...
Did blackface Robbie Parker lose another daughter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o13-qGA_ZIE
looks to be in correlationn with a scheduled DHS active shooter drill ....
The Daily Mail has photos of the shooter. The shooter looks a bit darkish. Spray on tan? Wearing a Moe wig. But wearing a sweat shirt in the middle of the current heat wave proves that whoever/whatever he/she is, leaves no doubt that the shooter is certifiably insane.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3129109/Multiple-people-injured-...
The vast majority of these highly publicized shootings have been performed by big, BIG, leftists upset about something or another (aren't they always upset over something). Odds are that this is a gay activist Obama ball licker Christian hater who professes to be the most tolerant person on Earth, or similar.
You white English need to take your country back from the filthy monkey's.
70 Year olds have Wisdom 4Chan....
Go talk with a 22 year old and then come back and let us know how it goes...
21 yr old. ? Not early 20's? But 21 if he turns out to be 21. Does it mean anything.
False flag is what it means. They don't know who it is but they know his EXACT age and what brand of shoes he wears?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o13-qGA_ZIE
looks to be in correlationn with a scheduled DHS active shooter drill ....
Gene Rosen
21 - early 20's = whatever.
Bigger issue is whether the "white" label is a lie.
If the murderer was a young urban yut (youth) or even a muzzie - then a totally different problem.
Very tragic for the murder victims families.
But, Charleston has an "inner city" although very small & has muslims. Also has large % of gay.
looking like a "Summer of 1968" for America, unfortunately. Thank you Oblamo.
NoVa
i'm not surprised this eventually happened
as a Canadian, race issues in the US are... I don't understand or cannot relate to all the culture of guilt and reparation...
but I'm not surprised a white man eventually got sick of it
you almost never ever see asians or latinos talk the way blacks in the US do
and fuck i mean as a Canadian, I thought blacks were like 30-40% of the US population before based on your fucking news headlines and token blacks in every movie and tv show
but they're, what, like 16% of the population? and latinos are 18%?
i dunno, i do realize that blacks in the US have a very unique history and slavery... and the way ghettos were built... it's fucked up
but seriously, there are poor white people and mistreated asians and latinos that don't receive even a tiny fraction of the same media attention or apologeticsm ... i don't really know how to say it without being called a racist but it feels like for how many years there have been middle class blacks and how small their population is relative to latinos and whites... it shouldn't be EVERY FUCKING WEEK on CNN ;/ but again i'm canadian so... sorry if i offend anyone, just seems real fucking skewed
Ah, the Kanadian Korner Krowd.
Here's a tip: one can not illuminate a problem caused by collectivist manipulators by employing collectivist manipulation any more than one can solve a debt problem with more debt. While in a rare instance one might fight fire with fire on most occasions it is far more effective to fight fire with water.
They didn't build ghettos for micks ,wops or yids here in the states.
Cultural collectivism until assimilation, that's the theory anyway.
We´ve already blamed everything on Canada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA
Well, Mr.Canadian, maybe you shouldn't allow yourself to fall in line for the MSM propaganda line, perhaps apply a little critical thinking no matter what "a headline" screams out at you.
For myself (even though it clearly said white/black) I immediately thought, atheist shooter...no skin color involved.
But maybe that just identifies me as prejudiced and bigoted, against radicalized atheists ;-)
Yet another reason why I prefer to live next to military installations.
People need to see some of the hardware sometimes to remind them to calm the fuck down.
Forget New York City tearing itself apart this time around the whole country is.
Friggin money printers are the root of all evil yet again. "Fuck confidence we need inflation!"
Yes, I think we can safely assume none of the victims were armed and left their rights at home. They were fully compliant with all of "mans laws" about gun free zones, the perfect model citizens.
Now...dead.
Why won't these dastardly criminals comply with gun regulations and be model citizens too!? ;-)
People need to see some of the hardware sometimes to remind them to calm the fuck down.
Maybe the police should patrol in mraps, and wear full body armor and carry AR's.
We Amish have looked extensively into farmland in Canada. North of the English cities is good for the Amish.
In USA, Het ziet zwart van de mensen(The place is black with people), is what most Amish think. Meaning the white are now black.
The young American English are sick. Infected by Obama and Goldbergs.
Your mind is black with odious decay. BTW Amish don't speak Dutch but Old German , Jan Lul.(john Cock).
To answer your question you have to look who benefits having blacks downtrodden.... And continually enables them to stay that way.
Shooting up a bunch of white people wasn't enough to push facist gun control measures, so time for a change of venue...
...shoot up blacks.
Just watch --- the propagandists will be shouting "RACIST!" at anyone who doesn't want gun control after this.
Bingo.
Alex Jones has been mocking the Left with "If you want to keep your guns you're a racist" for years now. Now I guess he's gonna get it.
MHP will be fun to watch this weekend. Drinking game perhaps?
Already started... https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/611396720128344064
From an 0bama admin official, no less.
The propagandist tabloids now have their marching orders.
Drink a shot every time one of these tabloids calls gun owners racist:
Huffington Post
Atlantic
Buzzfeed
Daily Beast
MSNBC
Daily Kos
BBC
Think Progress
Vox
Media Matters
You know these banks with all of this free money they got are looking for a home....
(Preferrably a white neighborhood one...)
Gated, no less.
No Thanks ACP ,, I'd be dead from alcohol poisoning within 10 minutes with that challenge.
What does that make gun owners who happen to be black?
Self hating bigots?
BINGO... ACP
Banking Mafia and their controlled mass media together with Obama administration are trying to start a racial war and transform America into another Libya or Syria. They do not understand of how dangerous this game is and the consequences to follow.
I guess Obama gets his race war. Something this extreme, right now in the beginning heat of summer, doesn't kick off this race war that we've been told was coming, then I don't know what will.
Thoughts and prayers for the victims. We are in a crazy world.
Victims.
We Amish work from 4am till 9pm, 7 days a week. We don't go to the social service office to get food stamps and section 8.
Shoot the fuckers and save your country!
Shoot the fuckers and save your country?
And you self-identify as a fucking Amish asshole?
I thought you were peaceful fuckers.
But you sir seem to be a violent fucker.
Never thought I'd meet a violent aaaamish fucker.
By the way, if 4 am to 9 pm is your workday, you have NOTHING figured out. NOTHING! Sounds like a slave's existance.
Fucker...since you are so keen to shoot some fuckers, I hope you do have a fucking beard and that it fucking catches fire via your fucking pipe....
You are not Amish if you work on Sunday, other than light chores.
You are Amish if you depend on the "English" to supply you with things to buy like:
1. Paper, toothpaste, cloth, chewing gum, endless list....
2. Kerosene
3. Wire, tools, glass, most building materials other than wood
4. Rides by driver (me), bus, train
5. Eye exams and glasses
You are Amish on welfare using the English educational and healthcare systems to provide free or deeply discounted medical care without insurance and nobody in the community allowed to study to become doctors, dentists or veterinarians. That is really messed up.
But I like the Amish. They are hypocrites, but not as bad as the baptists and methodists. Just saying.
Your computer and wifi runs on kerosene, right?
Your computer and wifi runs on kerosene, right?
He has his children running in a hamster wheel to power the generator.
10:1 it was an ObungHole supporter... and that the media will try to portray the shooter as a "tea party" member.
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150618/PC16/150619404/1177/surve...
nobody, that video of suspect sure looks like a black man.. maybe my eyes are racist.
A white man has shot dead nine black people in a church in Charleston using a starter pistol.
Police believe it is a race related crime.
A white man has shot dead nine black people in a church in Charleston using a starter pistol.
Police believe it is a race related crime.
Got to stir the pot. More riots and police state tactics leading to justification for martial law and Obama's next great power grab.
"Police spokesman Charles Francis described the suspect as a 21-year-old white male in a gray sweatshirt/hoodie and jeans with Timberland boots."
Who the hell was looking at his boots while the shooting was going on?
Who looks at the brand of the gunmans boots while he's shooting? Black people.
When the shooting started, the survivors would have hit the floor. Given it was a church, I imagine they had pews. All you could see of the shooter would be his Timberlands, and you wouldn't take your eyes off them. You would never forget those Timberlands.
The lord works in mysterious ways.
as does the amygdala.
My wife was in a down on the ground bank robbery.
She remembers how many specks were in the floor tiles.
Thanks Barry.. and the CIA.... and the MSM.
The MSM doesn't report even 1/16th of the BS that is going on, but yes, they are guilty of inciting racial hatred...
Nevertheless, this is probably a revenge killing, or a psycho white guy who has racial issues...
Anyway, this won't end well I'm certain.
Oh they'll be reporting this. Funny how race relations have exploded all of the sudden.
Yes, it's nice to see. We Amish who typically have an outside-in perspective, were wondering what in the world is going on with the USA?
One of the young Mennonite boys was doing a rap song a few months ago. When we got done with him he had more welts on him from our buggy whips then kunta kinte.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKJtiEhjDjA
We are an Amish Band
We're making lots of noise but we got no amps.
Am I wrong for being somewhat happy that he took out a politician? Just kidding, NSA. I'm sure he was a good politician.
He was state level. A few of them still remember that their throats are within reach of their constituents.
And so... it begins?
Yes, you're wrong as usual.
The bigger question:
"How many FBI guys are dancing isralis today, just in their minds they're like, "YES!, go to hell Comey. You and your MLK whoreship" ".
Rev. Pinckney was elected to the South Carolina House of Representatives in 1996 at the age of twenty-three. In 2000, he was elected to the State Senate at the age of twenty-seven. He is one of the youngest persons and the youngest African-American in South Carolina to be elected to the State Legislature. He represents Jasper, Beaufort, Charleston, Colleton, and Hampton Counties. His committee assignments include Senate Finance, Banking and Insurance, Transportation, Medical Affairs and Corrections and Penology.
Bonus:http://www.emanuelamechurch.org/announcements.php
Bueller, Bueller....
< outlaw the CIA and imprison its leaders.
< ban firearms and roll out full-Monty police state.
Which one of these is most likely to keep you safe?
Is,that a,white cop in shorts and high heels on the church stairs ?!
Was in Home Depot last week. Guy walked in, pushing a cart. Something seemed " weird" , and it caught my eye. I couldn't place it. He looked normal, but something was odd??? Normal hair, shirt, jeans. Then I saw IT!
He was wearing 6" pumps. It was the funky gait that had caught my eye.
Those little short straight leg steps, like a Barbie doll.
I expect this shit in Wally World. But HD. Is nothing sacred?
Nail Gun accessories?
(sorry)
I wonder if there would be any coverage of this story if it involved an "errant" drone and the church was in another country and involved another diety. The best thing about Brawndo is that it waters crops, and quenches your thirst when you need it most.
"Fuck the Palestinians." -- LTER, 2014
Fuck Billy the Poet for his small mind and apparent Tribe bent. -- LTER, 2015.
So the guy who refuses to even buy a bar of olive oil soap to help support the Palestinian economy and who famously and drunkenly raved "Fuck the Palestinians" is pretending to be anti-Zionist yet again?
And here he is finding happiness while the bodies of nine innocent people lay cooling on slabs in a South Carolina morgue. If he wasn't a flaming liberal it would be unbelievable.
Usually what pisses me off the most is having to decide which person or group on this site I hate the most. Thank you for making that easy tonight.
So how goes the poetry? Care to link me to some of your works?
There's a fellow named LetThemEatRand,
Whose crab's never fresh, always canned.
You can read on the back,
It contains not one fact,
And the flavor's consistently bland.
Gosh, whom to root for?/ Lter / BTP, nope I dislike ya both it will have to stay there I suppose.
Your refusal to chose the lesser of two evils is unAmerican. Vote!
Judge Likstane awards TKO to Billy for answering LTER with excellent poetry in timely fashion
Good point Billy, your mud puddle shallow most times but Lter is an authoritarian progressive who in due time and with enough power would kill those who disagree, its Billy for the win.
I like LTER's arguments. They're usually thought provoking.
You are free to leave this site.
That truly sucks. May god be with those people. Pray that the true perpetrator is found and brought to a real trial.
Hopefully the cops won't go off and destroy the neighborhood during the "search".
SHES COMING APART CAPTIN!!!!!
False Flag, with greetings from CIA.........
A false flag on a black church???? Hahahahaha
No just one of your white trash brethren acting like you dream about it.
Seriously who ever thumbed up you is a fucking retard.
Ebonics...at zh...now I've seen everything.
Oh. Junked. Yo.
Don't you find it a little odd that they had an exact age for the suspect right away, but no name?
He should be arrested for that fucking haircut alone.
Looks like Moe. I bet he had that faggoty 'do in school ( mom wanted a girl) , and the other kids wore his little ass out. You can identify these punks in grade school.
The banksters need to divide the people. They don`t like, all against the banksters!
Left against Right, Black against White, etc. that`s the banksters job.
A false flag on a black church???? Hahahahaha
What better way is there to incite blacks to riot en masse than to have a CIA agent attack a church, and then to blame a White Supremacist group for that attack on the Church?
So do tell me...Where were you at? You support racism. You follow the edicts of the most racist President in history...well...other than Lincoln.
Are you working for the CIA? Or are you NSA?
Nice Bot , Good Bot.
Not quite touring with turing yet but getting there.
WD-40?
Can't we wait like 24 hours before we start calling 'False Flag' vs. 'Never Let a Good Crisis Go to Waste'?
In this country, in this current environment, with a constant push for gun legislation and the government hoarding civilian ammo... NO. At the very least they have been enciting it with the bent on news coverage.
With the target a black church, ahh no never too late to limit the damage to law abiding citizens who had nothing to do with this senseless tragedy, black or white. The Birmingham four is nothing to this and it will be milked to impose God knows what.
They didn't wait 24 hours before labeling it a hate crime.
We're in some pretty shit now. We can't even leave other races alone because someone will hatch a plan to keep america constantly in turmoil from within. Pay a white guy down on his luck whose family is dirt poor to pull this off and kill him when he comes to get paid. How cheap and easy is that?
The loss of life istruly tragic...My God Bless & console the familes, friends & loved ones who are impacted & heal the community....I do have one silly observation; desscription of the shooter...grey hoodie & boots - look at the people in the pictures - most are in short sleeves & shorts...seems a little stange that in 28C/80F temperatures someone would be dressed in boots & hoodie...I agree with the post of OldPhart - WHO WOULD HAVE NOTICED HIS BOOTS?!
The cries for a gun-grab are going to be absolutely deafening.
Good.
It's not 1850.
Meaning what exactly?
Meaning, want exactly???
EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY THAT HAS LEGIT GUN CONTROL HAS LESS GUN VIOLENCE.
PERIOD. END OF STORY.
WHAT I SAID, IS A FACT, NOT AN OPINION.
Seriously, go beat off to the 2nd amendment you fucking loser.
The volatile way in which you express yourself detracts from any point (valid or otherwise) which you are attempting to make. Can you restate your position with less anger and more reason?
If I were to note that Billy the Poet is an arrogant cunt, would that be considered angry or merely observational?
It would show the lack of thoughtfulness and decorum which we have come to expect from you. You and Silver Bullet are really two peas in a liberal pod.
Perhaps you could expand upon your vulgarity and your professed happiness with this shooting if you sent obscene messages directly to the victims and their families. Wouldn't you find that more fulfilling than trolling here?
I gave you a pass a few comments up but your butt-hurt uncalled response to Billy did it (you just couldn't stand being exposed for your lack of empathy and compassion to one of the most oppressed people in the world). Thus you've earned a heart-felt Fuck you from me. Spend it wisely.
Until the government uses its guns to kill those that disagree, back to Huffpo with you.
Only a mental midget abuses facts like you just did, look at overall violence as if it matters that your killed with a gun or bat, simpleton.
Machetes are the weapons of choice in much of the Caribbean. Guns are the choice of the ones that ignore the laws. That seems to be universal.
Don't you have a rabbi dick to suck instead of making a fool of yourself on zh? All gun control is bad and enables the violence against peaceful men (be it from the gov or criminals, but i repeat myself).
We Europeans are constantly violated by burglers and our government, constantly. I wonder how we can live in such an enviornment knowing how good you fellow Americans have it with all your guns protecting you from evil government assaults!
I hope you get the message!
I hear ya samjam, the government only kills a third or so of you every 40 years, not a bad track record for those parts I suppose and your violent crime rates about three times higher than ours if we don't count our diverse dependent hellhole cities.. Now that Africa is essentially moving in to Europe with its vibrant and strengthening diversity you will have even less need of guns. It wont help you but you may be entertained as you circle the drain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints
Silver Bullet it a gun grabber?
It that you Mike B.??
"A man fitting the description was seen taken in handcuffs and yet the police reports they are still searching for the shooter." Sound familiar.... school shooting.
In Sandy Hook a man matching the description of the shooter was captured and then released. In Dallas last week there were supposedly four shooters three of whom evaporated.
They need to ban guns from churches. The lack of foresight in this matter is amazing. We need more gun control now/ Next we'll find out the FBI had the shooter under surveillance or something.
Good one, dipshit!
Every SINGLE. Rich world country that has real gun control that makes it actually hard to get a gun has LESS gun violence. SHOCKING, I KNOW, DIPSHIT!
And that's across the board. Period. End of story.
Oh, wait! Chicago has "gun control"...of course they also have a force field to the places around them that don't have gun control.....oh wait they don't because that's not possible.
God you conservatives continue to see your iq plummet.
I'm guessing yours is around, what, 85?
Seriously, you're a fucking idiot.
Rich world country? Where dey at?
Your going to find out real soon why we were given the 2nd ammendment... enjoy!
EVERY country with a GDP per capita over 25k has gun control and WAY LESS gun violence.
WHAT A FUCKING CONFOUNDING SHOCK.
LESS GUNS, AND LESS SHOOTINGS?
Who would've guessed?
Not your dumb ass american self.
"I need my, white trash, second amendment rights..."
Seriously, fuck you....you Neanderthal.
There is a term it's called DEMOCIDE go look it up and then look at the tally, come back when you have something to offer other than parroting off Rachel Maddow blather.
(See EVERY OTHER desirable country to live in)
Seriously, YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD.
All of these countries have murder rates higher than the United States (5.0). Most have very strict gun laws -- like Mexico. The gun is not the problem. Get off your soap box.
Honduras[47][49][50] 78 87 86 79 6,757 Venezuela[52][97] 45 47 65 19,459 Jamaica[47][98] 53 41 48 1,322 Belize[47][49][99][100] 42 39 45 145 El Salvador[47][49][101] 66 71 41 2,594 Guatemala[47][49][102] 41 39 5,681 Bahamas[103] 27 37 Saint Kitts and Nevis[47][104][105] 38 68 34 18 South Africa[106] 32 31 31 32 17,068 Colombia[55] 38 36 34 30 14,294 Brazil[107] 27 27 29 57,045 Trinidad and Tobago[53][108] 37 28 352 Dominican Republic[47][109] 25 25 2,513 Dominica[47] 22 15 Saint Lucia[47][110] 25 22 44 Panama[47][49][111] 22 20 759 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines[47] 22 19 21 Guyana[47] 18 17 130 Ecuador[112] 18 16 Mexico[61][113] 18 20 19 15 14.5 17,360 Nicaragua[47][49] 13 13 738 Grenada[47] 12 12 Paraguay[47] 12 734 Barbados[47] 11 31 Russia[64][114] 13 12 10 9.7 13,912 Costa Rica[115] 12 10 8.5 407 Bolivia[47] 8.9 7.7 775 Haiti[47] 6.9 689 Antigua and Barbuda[47] 6.8 6 Moldova[47] 7.5 8.6 6.5 229 Estonia[72] 6.3 7.5 6.0 4.7 4.2 55 Uruguay[47] 6.1 5.9 199 Ukraine[47]Switzerland has one of the lowest -- and everyone has a fully automatic weapon in their home.
Switzerland[136][137] 0.67 0.58 0.56 0.7 0.5The US homicide rate is lower now than is has been in any 10 year period with the exception being the 1950s. It has been dropping every decade since the 80s.
The suicide rate is still pretty healthy. Its the main cause of death by firearms in the USA. The homicide rate is still dangerously high. Killing is so easy in America especially when you got the constitution on your side. The death by guns homicide rate in Switzerland is the highest in Westen Europe. You cant really blame the cops for shoot first ask questions later either in America until you radically cut back on gun ownership and make them socially unacceptable.
There are too many John Wayne fans in America to change any of this and you need a gun just in case you want a revolution against DC... Yeah right....
You have never lived in switerland have you? If you copied ALL of swiss laws on firearms in the US, ZH and all other gun enthusiasts would be irate to no end. There's a lot more to swiss firearm control than their tightly regulated and issued weapon at home.
Thanks, as a Swiss I can confirm that first hand. In no way do Swiss gun laws resemble American laws. Plus all the countries listed above have way lower development and lacking law enforcement compared to the US. Now imagine things turning sour in the US, I'd rather be in a country where most people don't have a gun so I have to fight with my fist instead of everybody shooting at each other.
But well talk with Americans about gun control is like talking with Israelis about settlment it's a red flag, unfortunately! And in the end I think every country should chose what it deems best.
With your fists ha, you must be one tough dude, I'll bet Chuck Norris is afraid of you. God made men but Sam Colt made them equal. Let that marinate for a bit, ok...
Silver Bullet, you're a liar.
http://www.npr.org/2013/03/19/174758723/facing-switzerland-gun-culture
You didn't use the f-word so you can't possibly be as intelligent or as morally upright as SB. Shame on you.
I love when people get upset over using words like fuck and not guns that needlessly end other peoples lives.
Fuck you, by the way, you fucking moron.
Bad guys will buy guns on a black market. All gun ban will do is unarm law abiding people, who use guns for defense. Gov have been in a "drug war" for many decades, still you can buy hard drug easy in any US city, same will happen with guns if they were banned.
The only way they're getting our guns is a house-to-house confiscation. Good luck.
I love when people get upset over using words like fuck and not guns that needlessly end other peoples lives
A gun is an inanimate object. It can only purposely be used to inflict injury in a non-defensive situation when it is used by an individual who lacks the ability to keep his violent impulses in check. Your attempts to communicate through anger and intimidation mark you as just such a volatile individual. It is you that is a danger to others and not those individuals who arm themselves in order to defend themselves against violent, unpredictable people like you.
Your theory probably has merit until the fucking government start turning on it's own people and you have no way to defend yourself. I'd go read Thomas Jefferson and consider that these guys had vastly more insight than you or I.
Yes, your theory is all well and good. Oh, look how peaceful it is, look how few shootings we have. Hey, the police force are becoming a bit heavy handed. Oh look, we have the best statistics in the world for lack of gun violence. Hey, did the cops just shoot an unarmed homeless man. Holy shit, did the cops just throw a flash grenade into a childs crib. Oh shit, the cops are knocking door to door and invading my house to look for a terrorist. Fuck, they just shot my dog. Fucking hell, the cops are getting out of control, how can I protect my family. BANG . . . . . the cops just shot me for a traffic offense.
All well and good Silver Bullet, all well and good.
Maybe consider the world isn't a fucking Peter Pan fairy tale and the founding fathers of the US knew what was in the pipeline for US citizens, in fact any citizen of any country. If you are fucking stupid enough to think the government is going to powder your ass and tuck you in and read you a bedtime story you are a fucking moron. This is life and death and once the guns are gone and with it the will to use them, you are fucking dead meat shit for brains. IT WILL ONLY TAKE TIME.
Wake up.
In Baltimore 3 times as many dead by gunshot on one weekend night, not hate crimes tho - the real enemy of humans are hidden and protected, mental illness consumes so many to kill the powerless..the nation is being poisoned - changed and brain washed- the reptiles deep in shadows watch with dead eyes as the plans for america bear fruit.
Wow. You really went off the tracks on that one.
But I guess you REALLY made your point by speculating about another posters IQ. WTF?
Disclaimer: I don't own any guns and probably never will, but I don't get fucking hysterical about them any more than I would get hysterical about a chainsaw.
Fuck you. You're a fucking moron, as well. Se all of my posts.
It's not rocket science.
If you have less guns, you have less gun violence. Period. End of story.
(See the rest of the world)
Doesn't mean you have less violence, which is what actually matters, not the equipment involved.
Lemme spel it out fer ya...
It is YOU who ignore the facts. They were published on this page.\.
Besides a gun is really an inefficient killing machine at a church, movie theater, or mall.
Bombs, Poison Gas Generators, Rockets and Flamethrowers increase causualty rates, are cheaper, and rather easy to construct. (Besides guns do not penetrate armor so they are somewhat useless in combatting troops in Armored Vehicles. An RPG or Poison Gas is much better suited for that tactical employ.)
The price per opponent death and injury decreases exponentially with the use of those devices. Why do you think that the Military employs them? Can it be that they are the Economy Sized "Canned Death and Destruction"?
Here are the Murder Rates again...in countries, many of which have banned guns.
Honduras[47][49][50] 78 87 86 79 6,757 Venezuela[52][97] 45 47 65 19,459 Jamaica[47][98] 53 41 48 1,322 Belize[47][49][99][100] 42 39 45 145 El Salvador[47][49][101] 66 71 41 2,594 Guatemala[47][49][102] 41 39 5,681 Bahamas[103] 27 37 Saint Kitts and Nevis[47][104][105] 38 68 34 18 South Africa[106] 32 31 31 32 17,068 Colombia[55] 38 36 34 30 14,294 Brazil[107] 27 27 29 57,045 Trinidad and Tobago[53][108] 37 28 352 Dominican Republic[47][109] 25 25 2,513 Dominica[47] 22 15 Saint Lucia[47][110] 25 22 44 Panama[47][49][111] 22 20 759 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines[47] 22 19 21 Guyana[47] 18 17 130 Ecuador[112] 18 16 Mexico[61][113] 18 20 19 15 14.5 17,360 Nicaragua[47][49] 13 13 738 Grenada[47] 12 12 Paraguay[47] 12 734 Barbados[47] 11 31 Russia[64][114] 13 12 10 9.7 13,912 Costa Rica[115] 12 10 8.5 407 Bolivia[47] 8.9 7.7 775 Haiti[47] 6.9 689 Antigua and Barbuda[47] 6.8 6 Moldova[47] 7.5 8.6 6.5 229 Estonia[72] 6.3 7.5 6.0 4.7 4.2 55 Uruguay[47] 6.1 5.9 199 Ukraine[47]
Banning guns did not work. Murder Rates are much higher than in the USA. THIS IS FACTUAL.
See? I do not need a gun to cause mass mayhem. In fact I will choose the right weapon for the job if, and when, I decide to declare a Hot War against the repressive oligarchy and their liberal stooges.
Attempt to banish Guns and it may just shorten the time.
I have a little knowledge of Chemistry with my low brow, low voltage IQ of 85.
How much Chemistry do you know?
September approaches.
Oh TPTB just love people like you. You're terrified of an increased death rate compared to non gun toting countries yet fail to see the really big picture of the fucking evil that can overun governments.
Are you that blind to history my friend? Are you so gullible to think the government is going to sing you lullabies and pat your head every night?
I wonder how many lives would have been saved if the citizens of Cambodia could have carried weapons?
Talk about having a blinkered and dogmatic view on a topic. The MSM has worked wonders making you scared of guns. They've got you right where they want you.
Silver Bullet, I'm glad YOU don't have a gun.
Good thing these "experts" agree with you...
silverbullet:Every SINGLE. Rich world country that has real gun control that makes it actually hard to get a gun has LESS gun violence. SHOCKING, I KNOW, DIPSHIT!
I guess you never heard of Switzerland...hugh?