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California Has Never Experienced A Water Crisis Of This Magnitude – And The Worst Is Yet To Come

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Submitted by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,

Things have never been this dry for this long in the recorded history of the state of California, and this has created an unprecedented water crisis.  At this point, 1,900 wells have already gone completely dry in California, and some communities are not receiving any more water at all.  As you read this article, 100 percent of the state is in some stage of drought, and there has been so little precipitation this year that some young children have never actually seen rain.

This is already the worst multi-year drought in the history of the state of California, but this may only be just the beginning.  Scientists tell us that the amount of rain that California received during the 20th century was highly unusual.  In fact, they tell us that it was the wettest century for the state in at least 1000 years.

Now that things are returning to “normal”, the state is completely and total unprepared for it.  California has never experienced a water crisis of this magnitude, and other states in the western half of the nation are starting to really suffer as well.  In the end, we could very well be headed for the worst water crisis this country has ever seen.

When I said that some communities in California are not receiving any more water, I was not exaggerating.  Just consider the following excerpt from one recent news report

The community of Mountain House is days away from having no water at all after the state cut off its only water source.

 

Anthony Gordon saves drinking water just in case, even though he never thought it would come to this.

 

“My wife thinks I’m nuts. I have like 500 gallons of drinking water stored in my home,” he said.

 

The upscale community of Mountain House, west of Tracy, is days away from having no water. It’s not just about lawns—there may not be a drop for the 15,000 residents to drink.

So what are those people going to do?

And what is this going to do to the property values in that area?

Who in the world is going to want to buy a home that does not have running water coming to it?

Other communities throughout the state are pumping groundwater like crazy in a desperate attempt to continue with business as usual.  In fact, it is being projected that groundwater will account for almost all water used in the entire state by the end of this year

Underground aquifers supply 35 percent of the water used by humans worldwide. Demand is even greater in times of drought. Rain-starved California is currently tapping aquifers for 60 percent of its water use as its rivers and above-ground reservoirs dry up, a steep increase from the usual 40 percent. Some expect water from aquifers will account for virtually every drop of the state’s fresh water supply by year end.

But of course this creates a huge problem.  When the groundwater is gone, it is gone for good.  Those aquifers took centuries to fill up, and now they are being drained at a staggering rate.  In some parts of the state, aquifers are being drained so fast that it is causing thousands of square miles of land to sink

Californians have been draining water so rapidly from underground aquifers that tens of thousands of square miles of land reportedly are sinking — so drastically that the shifting surface is starting to destroy bridges and crack highways across the state, according to a recent report by the Center for Investigative Reporting.

So what is the solution?

Some of my readers have suggested that desalination is the answer.  But the truth is that desalination is very expensive and it is really bad for the environment.  The following comes from a recent Natural News article

For those who are saying, “There’s no water problem in California! It has the entire Pacific Ocean right next door!”, you need to look into the catastrophic environmental destruction tied to ocean water desalination.

 

Not only does desalination use fossil fuels which emit the very same carbon emissions that the California government insists caused the drought in the first place, the desalination process itself pollutes the ocean with high concentration salt brine that kills marine ecosystems and destroys ocean life along the California coastline.

 

And that’s on top of all the Fukushima radiation that’s already causing a marine ecosystem collapse in many areas of the coast. Add more salt brine to the mix and you get a state where rich, self-entitled Hollywood celebrities demand their lush, green lawns at the expense of ocean life, climate change and the global ecosystem. If that happens, California will lose all credibility as a “green” state, and its wealthiest residents will be living an ecological lie.

Others have suggested that California can solve their water problems using “toilet to tap” technology

Potable water reuse – or converting sewage effluent to heavily-treated, purified drinking water – is receiving renewed attention in California in the midst of the state’s four-year drought.

 

According to a report by the Los Angeles Times, “California water managers and environmentalists” are pushing the idea of recycled sewage water. Yet past efforts in the state to employ similar systems have stalled, as opponents have dubbed the concept “toilet to tap.”

How would you feel about that?

Would you be willing to have your family drink water that came from the toilets of your neighbors?

I don’t think that I could do that.

But something has to be done.  It is not just the state of California that is experiencing a major water crisis.  All over the world, underground aquifers are being drained rapidly.  In fact, according to the Washington Post, 21 out of the 37 largest aquifers in the world “have passed their sustainability tipping points”…

The world’s largest underground aquifers – a source of fresh water for hundreds of millions of people — are being depleted at alarming rates, according to new NASA satellite data that provides the most detailed picture yet of vital water reserves hidden under the Earth’s surface.

 

Twenty-one of the world’s 37 largest aquifers — in locations from India and China to the United States and France — have passed their sustainability tipping points, meaning more water was removed than replaced during the decade-long study period, researchers announced Tuesday. Thirteen aquifers declined at rates that put them into the most troubled category. The researchers said this indicated a long-term problem that’s likely to worsen as reliance on aquifers grows.

Sadly, this is just the beginning.  There is a reason why experts refer to fresh water as “the new oil”.  Without fresh water, none of us can survive.  But we are very quickly getting to the point where there simply won’t be enough of it for everyone on the planet.

As for the state of California, it was once a desert and now it is turning back into a desert As I mentioned earlier, the 20th century was the wettest century that part of North America had seen in at least 1000 years.  During that time, we built enormous cities all over the Southwest that currently support millions upon millions of people.  But now we are learning that those cities are not sustainable.

 

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Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:03 | 6211786 BrocilyBeef
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Maybe they should stop spraying shit in the sky.

Ohh wait. All part of the plan.

Watch for the cross patterns. It's obvious.

Pilots? We don't need no stink'n pilots!

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:04 | 6211798 astroloungers
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To many people living in a desert..it is really that simple.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:06 | 6211803 BrocilyBeef
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Too many people? Veggies be veggin'. 

It's a nice attack vector, that's for damn sure.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:09 | 6211816 TeamDepends
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Don't forget too that the ocean has been Fuku'd.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:15 | 6211836 Stackers
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One smart Alaska town spent $1.6+ billion to build a pipeline from a massive lake in order to export fresh water way back in 2007.

http://juneauempire.com/state/2011-05-09/sitka-fresh-water-seen-new-cash...

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:20 | 6211856 angel_of_joy
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So the Americans are fighting tooth and nails to conquer Syria and Ukraine, at a time when they are losing the beach in their backyard. OK, that makes sense now...

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:25 | 6211875 TeamDepends
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No, Americans are merely trying to survive like everyone else. It is the criminally insane oligarchs who are running around threatening everybody.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:39 | 6211927 two hoots
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How much fresh water flows from our streams and  rivers into salty ocean waters each minute?   Then we want spend $$$ to turn it back into fresh.  I know, the estuaries wlll be damaged....a little, but like food, it seems smarter to eat it before you flush it.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:01 | 6212007 MonetaryApostate
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And the board of directors of the water co. are laughing all the way to the bank....

Pipeline?  HAHAHA!!  What pipeline??

 

Pods

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:29 | 6212086 WhackoWarner
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IDIOTS UPON IDIOTS.

Monsanto wants to own life itself, Big Pharma wants illness to be "built into the system" of the partners of FOOD SUPPLY laced with all the additives that encourage diabetes, obesity, senility, heart disease,,,,,Big healthcare wants to serve the illnesses created, Big corps want to own fresh water supplies

 

IF the corps get their wish they wlll find a way to own oxygen.  ALREADY doing it on DNA. Already doing it on plants. Already doing itt on "feeder animals"  ( take one run at looking at Mercy For Animala videos) 

 

Come on,  enough discussion already.  Just say NO to TPP and this "fast track bullshite".

 

When the F are the American people going to wake up?  

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:35 | 6212103 WhackoWarner
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And so many people here are making 'cute" remarks.

 

With some idea of down vote, up vote pat on the back nonsense.  Think.  Enough of this. Enough,  Life is not about your up votes on ZH.  Life is how you leave this world for those that follow.

 

Monsanto? GE? JPM? the FED?  Funny as your remarks may be.  They do nothing until you do something.   Tick tock.   Sit back and pontificate OR?

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:59 | 6212166 Creepy A. Cracker
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Love Mother Earth's wrath against you Californians.  You are eco-nutjobs but not eco-nutjob enough.  Mother Earth is angry at you.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 21:01 | 6212173 Publicus
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There is no water crisis, there is however, a population crisis.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 21:44 | 6212280 new game
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the retrace be a comin. are you or i gonna be retraced. i'm 58 and starting to wonder if 70 is possible. seriously, can this shit slide of human slime not slide to the valley below and sit like a glacier for future survivors to sift through and claim an answer? ha, i will put a message in a time capsule; too many fuckers fucking and beating the odds and suddenly the eco system crashed and the (great italian) retrace became past tense - ps good luck and back your currency with a tangible asset to avoid false consumption.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 23:41 | 6212695 Four chan
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"lets grow rice in the desert." that is the californian mind.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 23:46 | 6212712 Oh regional Indian
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As Fukuowka proved many moons ago, you do not need water to grow rice. Flooded paddy fields are a recent, bizzaire, learned phenom.

One Straw Revolution FTW!

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 00:13 | 6212758 wee-weed up
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We really need the Kalifornica scab to hurry up and dry up and fall off of the western part of the country...

Otherwise, all the rest of us taxpayers are going to have to bail out all those dumb nitwits...

Who do as they please with no consequences and spend money like it's water. (was water)

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 00:21 | 6212779 McCormick No. 9
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Just tagging the end of the thread...

This article is total bullshit. Ditto all the fear-porn articles about the impending CA real estate crash. Well, there could be a crash, but not for not enough water.

Why is this kind of article nothing but fucking crap? I will tell you in two words:

EL NINO.

If you don't understand this, then I have a weather rock to sell you. This kind of bullshit article just fucking gives me fucking gas.

Fuck.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 02:29 | 6212952 the kings whore
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California is filled with fruits and nuts.  The solution is easy.  Let's sell it to Mexico for a case of tequila.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 09:11 | 6213485 Theosebes Goodfellow
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"It was sooo dry here in California yesterday I saw a fire hydrant thanking a dog."

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 00:23 | 6212781 Four chan
Fri, 06/19/2015 - 11:03 | 6213211 TheGreatRecovery
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ORI,

I never heard of Fukuowka.

I am unable to find any reference on the internet to Fukuowka.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 04:09 | 6213036 WOAR
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There is no water crisis.

The crisis is that people that live in the desert are stupid enough to ask where the water is.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 21:01 | 6212171 Publicus
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Thu, 06/18/2015 - 23:58 | 6212736 ZD1
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50 to 70 percent of California’s water that falls in the form of rain and snow washes out to the sea. Environmental statutes and policies have resulted in the diversion of more than 300 billion gallons of water away from farmers in the Central Valley and into the San Francisco Bay in order to protect the tiny Delta smelt, an endangered fish that environmentalists have continued to champion at the expense of Californians.  http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/04/15/50941/10-things-to-know-about-califo...
Fri, 06/19/2015 - 01:57 | 6212907 EBT excepted
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sorry bruthah...evahbuddy know dat arreddy...

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 10:37 | 6213845 TheGreatRecovery
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1.  Those 300 billion gallons (a year) don't just keep one species of fish alive.  They keep the entire estuary alive.

2.  Estuaries are THE most productive biological habitats on planet Earth.  Surely we don't want to destroy the best assets we inherited just to continue to live an excessive lifestyle.  That would NOT be conservative.

3.  39 million people, using 100 gallons per person a day average, just in their houses (not counting recycled water for their lawns) works out to 1,423 billion gallons a year.  So there OUGHT to be some "fat" that could be "trimmed" so that Californians don't have to destroy their best assets.

4.  There are 2 obvious and mathematically and technologically simple ways to lower the domestic usage.  Reduce population, and/or reduce per-person usage.

5.  My family has been averaging 66 gallons per person a day average.  And I believe that includes a couple of months in which we had leaks develop and had to call a plumber.

6.  If Californians could reduce their domestic usage to 66 gallons per person a day, that would free up 484 billion gallons a year.

7.  If Californians could reduce their domestic usage to 50 gallons per person a day, that would free up 711 billion gallons a year.

8.  There is the challenge for Californians. 

9.  You can't fool Mother Nature.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 21:01 | 6212176 Scooby Dooby Doo
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This is an absolute tragedy. Our hearts and our prayers go out to the people of California. I do hope that their lives are not disrupted and that God brings them an extended period of gentle rainfall.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 22:08 | 6212419 new game
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pray for rain, that will work! s/

and all the great nation(s) shall multiply and spread the word...

fuckin dumb humans and their beliefs...not s/

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 00:11 | 6212761 MontgomeryScott
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The words 'pray' and 'hope' have two distinct and differing meanings.

The FIRST has to do with an active participation by a created being of their Master; while the SECOND relies upon 'star-signs' or other unknown and/or uncontrollable coincidences that cause unforcasted and unforseen occurences to happen (in the probability game of 'random chance').

One day, perhaps, you will understand the differences between these so-called 'words'.

I PRAY that it will not be too late for you.

 

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 10:47 | 6213884 TheGreatRecovery
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Again, and sarcastically, will The Creator listen to the prayers of 39 million Californians more than to the prayers of 3 million Californians? 

Or, not sarcastically, will The Creator think, "I gave you a land that can provide bountifully for 3 million Californians.  I did not make you stupid.  But perhaps I DID make you too short-sighted.  Because you DECIDED to crowd an extra 36 million into that land.  Now, WHY do you expect me to somehow fix that for you?  And HOW do for you expect me to fix it?  You know, I GAVE YOU the BEST planet in this solar system.  If you treat it with respect, it is a Garden of Eden.  Can you treat it with respect, or do you prefer to go on living short-term, and suffering the consequences?"

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 12:05 | 6214169 aardvarkk
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I actually suspect that your characterization of God's thought processes, while a BIT simplistic, probably isn't all that far from reality.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 14:02 | 6214582 TheGreatRecovery
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Thank you.  I don't understand how anyone can believe in a Creator, and then not feel a duty to do what one can to protect His creation.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 23:36 | 6212684 GuyJeans
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I pray that lives are disrupted and are brought to repentance and faith. 

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 00:00 | 6212742 MontgomeryScott
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POO, POO, HOO.

I DO HOPE That the innocent and the educated get the fuck out while they see the handwiting on the wall. As for the rest of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQYJRw4R4-Q

Who's this 'WE' in the statement 'Our hearts and our prayers go out to the people of California'?

WHAT, are you representing fucking UNESCO or something? OIL FOR FOOD (or water)?

46% of California's water supply has been MANDATED by the EPA to replenish fucking WETLANDS ('SWAMPS' for those who are 'edumacated'), and 11% of the water supply is for 'people'. YOU can HOPE in one hand, and SHIT in the other, and see which one gets full, first, Mr. Moonbeam.

GOD, you are a fucking DOUCHE. WHICH 'GOD' are you referring to, again?

 

 

 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 21:12 | 6212229 Karaio
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I am here thinking to myself ...

All those porn movies ...

In years from now nothing more than "KY", will be with sand ...

Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!

You need to use the bathroom?

Will be portable! (only a shovel! dig a hole and do it!) ...

Better pack some turbans and woolen clothes, importing camels instead of buying Teslas ...

Silicon Valley will return to the natural state, silicon, silica ...

The $?

It will be printed eastern half green, yellow western half ...

Take a deep breath, hit in the chest and shout:

- Now fucked!

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 22:34 | 6212505 Crash Overide
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How is it possible to have a drought next to the Pacific Ocean?

 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 23:22 | 6212634 fascismlover
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People don't drink salt water and it doesn't always precipitate and it costs a lot to desalinate.  Other than that...What can the Murcan pubic expect from this Califonication tragedy?  Will TMZ people not have giant water bottles on the show now?

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 23:28 | 6212657 The Steaksmith
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Driest place on earth. Next to the Pacific as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Atacama_Desert

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 04:14 | 6213039 WOAR
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No, desalination is literally completely free (after set-up).

Haven't you guys fucking seen this power plant yet? It can be readily converted to desalination...and if you don't want the salt put back in the ocean, fucking bury it. Or truck out table salt.

Or fuck, you can try this model if you're worried about blinding people/birds.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 05:42 | 6213107 Arnold
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Start sending the salt East in November. The cost has gone through the roof, along with uncertain delivery last winter.

 

http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/atmospheric/road...

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 04:30 | 6213051 californiagirl
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Have you heard of the Atacama desert, also next to the Pacific? 

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 05:13 | 6213083 A Nanny Moose
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Pewblik Skewlz

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 10:49 | 6213896 TheGreatRecovery
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There are islands IN the Pacific Ocean which are without potable water.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 05:13 | 6213080 A Nanny Moose
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How much water is wasted flushing our shit and piss down a hole. How much money is paid to unionized turd burglers for the "service?"

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 06:23 | 6213133 onthesquare
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Using valuable, precious water to take away our waste is not wise; convenient, but not smart.

I had a dump in an outhouse, not "Johnny of the Spot", but an outhouse.  Covered my deposit with mulch and that was that.

People had better get their priorities straightened out.  Some will refuse to accept the changes that are coming and they will slowly loose their bodily fluids, dehydrate, go into shock, stroke out and die.

The Spice.

 

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 10:28 | 6213810 steelhead23
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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," Rahm Emanuel

Rahm's got a point.  This drought will create political pressure and political pressure will engender change.  Laws will change.  Policies will change.  Perhaps even attitudes will change.  For example - Californians amended their constitution to forbid local units of government from using fees charged for specific services for anything other than providing that service - rates must be cost of service based.  This has prevented local water providers from using inverted rate structures to discourage profligate use (like lawn watering).  Historically, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has been much more concerned about flooding than reservoir refill, exacerbating the drought by draining reservoirs during the winter to capture floods that occasionally wreak havoc on people and property in its path (the real answer is to get people and property out of the floodplains).  And perhaps, just perhaps, folks will come to see expanses of lush greenery in their desert cities as the waste it is.  Perhaps. 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 21:14 | 6212235 Mr. Magoo
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Starting to look like the agenda 21 map

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 11:57 | 6213970 CPL
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The Agenda 21 map was a poorly imagined idea by morons that believed they could avoid the natural and regular cycles of Earth that happen on a 144,000 year cycle.  Like clockwork.  Last place anyone should be is on earth.  Atmosphere collapses, storms on the surface level everything taller than a shrub and the temperature drops to -60F to -80F at it's lows at the poles.  Earth becomes a big ice cube except for a thin narrow band on the equator.  If they are on earth, they better learn how to live as the Nomads do and move continuously to warm patches that can sustain life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_period

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial

Over the course of the 130000 year glacial period it'll be like no one was ever here.  The Oceans full of fish.  New mountains carved from retreating glaciers.  Forests replenished.  New prairies with herds of whatever managed to make it over the course of the glacial period.  Islands shifting around due to plate tectonics.  Tectonic movement pushing and shoving entire continents several feet a year which translates into miles and miles over the course of a 130000 cold cycle.  The Atlantic shrinks, the Pacific grows.  The poles wind around in a spiral pattern dancing with the poles of the sun influencing the course of the poles, the north pole ends up on top of where Israel used to be and the south pole somewhere off the coast of China.

Again, Agenda 21 is just an abstract in dumb planning for something they were never going to avoid to begin with.  The fact is they wasted 2000 years fucking around with building empires instead of developing the methods to extract themselves or building the relationships needed to get to 'the next level'.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:12 | 6211828 FlipFlop
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Weekly update on drought....hohhoijaa

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:46 | 6211951 conscious being
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"Now that things are returning to “normal”,..." What is "normal" about chemtrails? What is normal about GeoEngineering?"

The rains in California will never come back until the sheeple in California start asking the right questions. By that time that cold day in Hell arrives, what will the damage look like? How many trees will be left standing?

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:50 | 6211970 two hoots
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Hillary Antoinette:  "Let them drink Champagne"

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:09 | 6212030 847328_3527
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North Korea says it faces worst drought in a century

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33160768

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 01:02 | 6212838 European American
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Hillary Antoinette:  "Let them drink Champagne"

 

No, more like "Let them drink Toilet Water", is how that cold, vile bitch thinks.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 21:18 | 6212249 Mr. Magoo
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Everyone will be dead or dying of cancer before they wake up, but methinks it will be a little too late at that point

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:36 | 6211913 OldPhart
Fri, 06/19/2015 - 03:27 | 6213005 Rusty Shorts
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Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:18 | 6212057 Stoploss
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Any ideas on why the drought line extends to the Yellowstone crater?

Kinda looks like Yellowstone is helping this along by sucking the water down through the ground.

Again...

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 06:33 | 6213138 doctor10
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If the money spent in the MidEast since 2001 had been spent in the American Southwest it would be lush. And Americans would be flush with the profits from greening the desert.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 09:36 | 6213593 Freddie
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50 million more illegals can fix California's problems.   When the time comes, I hope liberals and the elites get what they deserve.

Sat, 06/20/2015 - 22:00 | 6218358 gladius17
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California and the western half of America were not ALWAYS desert.

The Sahara, Arabian, Australian, Gobi, etc deserts were NOT always desert.

They USED to be lush, green, tropical paradises.....until man moved in and started his wholesale destruction of the land, as per usual.

This has been going on for over 3 million years. Which is why the Earth has been experiencing an ice age for the past 3 million years.

Entire civilizations arose in the southwest USA, and then died out en masse as they exhausted the natural resources, turning their beautiful land into desert. The same pattern which has repeated itself since long before history began.

The 20th century was the wettest in California in a thousand yards for a simple reason: mass irrigation, made possible by the vast energy of oil reserves. The artificlal increase in water flow helped vegetation to grow, as well as altered weather patterns, attracting more water from the atmosphere. They've used and abused the oil and water and now both are drying up.

If mankind were to continue on his current course, the entire world would be turned into desert and we would go extinct. We still might end up ruining this planet before it's over with.

These are all facts, which you will NOT find written out as such anywhere but in this comment, which is the result of an entire lifetime of study. Haters and doubters and non-thinkers of ZH, please don't insult your own intelligence by asking me to provide you with citations.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:06 | 6211804 James_Cole
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Maybe they should stop spraying shit in the sky. Ohh wait. All part of the plan. Watch for the cross patterns. It's obvious.

You and kylie jenner will get to the bottom of this! Don't sweat the haterz

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8681611/kylie-jenner-chemtrails

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:08 | 6211810 BrocilyBeef
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Thanks, James! I haven't had my fix of VOX today!

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:23 | 6211865 James_Cole
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No prob! Also, here is a link to kylies twitter https://twitter.com/KylieJenner - as the two of you are on the same intellectual wavelength no doubt you will find much insight in her frequent musings!

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:03 | 6212015 Slave
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You're gonna have to step it up a notch if you're going to get your shill promotion.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:51 | 6211976 WhackoWarner
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IDIOTS.  The science and warnings were there decades ago.  Friggin idiots.

 

 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 21:16 | 6212241 Mr. Magoo
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This has nothing to do with science or warnings but has everything to do with extraordinary man made climate engineering

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 00:19 | 6212774 TheReplacement
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Or it could just be weather.  You know, like, how it is normal for a desert to be, like, dry and shit.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 03:39 | 6213017 californiagirl
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It may not be as dry as they exaggerate on TV and for political purposes. I have lived in Silicon Valley almost all of my life.  I drove over highway 17 a couple of weekends ago. Lexington reservoir has a section on both sides of the highway. During the last major drought the west side completely dried up. This time there is still water, though it is certainly low. There is also some water left in some of the perculation ponds around town that have previously dried up. Of course, there are many more people in California since the last drought. We have always had environmentalists that want to preserve natural habitat.  However the government bureaucrats are so disconnected from reality. They allow virtually uncontrolled residential building without approving the necessary infrastructure to support it, like more freeways and reservoirs.  There should be a law that prevents residential and commercial building without the approval of the  infrastructure to support it.

In the past, after each drought, when all seemed doom and gloom, we seem to received some pretty good rain for a few years, filling up lakes and reservoirs.  This year we have what looks to be a significant El Nino on its way. The odds look pretty good, as well explained in the below blog. Let's hope it comes to fruition.

http://www.stormsurf.com/page2/forecast/forecast/current.shtml

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 09:43 | 6213627 Freddie
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Yeah but all those dumb fux libs in SiliCon Valley love illegals and progressive-ism.   50 million more illegals will help matters.  I cannot wait til things get real in Mexi-Porn-ia.  Hopefully Colorado and other states wiill erect a fence to keep the Callie and Las Vegas shit from flooding in.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 14:37 | 6214716 tahoebumsmith
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yea just like the El Nino they predicted last year?

 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:08 | 6212029 samcontrol
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makes  for cheap holiday for those kids who have never seen rain(lol what bs), drive to seattle watch the rain..and make fun of any seahawk fans and the worst call in history/

 

 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 23:33 | 6212672 Bollixed
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Mountain House, from Wikipedia: In November 2008, the community appeared in nationwide news reports as having the highest percentage of negative equity in the U.S.—the most homes "under water" (worth less than their mortgage).

So they went from under water to no water. Must be Obama voters...

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 04:40 | 6213059 californiagirl
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Have you driven through that area? The smell from the cow patty processing plants in overwhelming. 

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 05:24 | 6213093 A Nanny Moose
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could be always be worse...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0VDnQv-rLA

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 10:34 | 6213836 Obamamerica
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I always find it odd that people will believe in some conspiracy theories that take wild speculation (like on ZH, many say the Jewish Zionists control everything), but refuse to even look up and wonder why a trail out of a jet would hang in the sky for hours and hours continuously expanding followed by multiple other passes until a entire clear blue sky is turned into a haze and think "oh that must just be water wapor"

morons

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:03 | 6211792 ted41776
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i'll take "Colorado pulse flow" for 1000 Alex

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:04 | 6211794 BrocilyBeef
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What is my cock?

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:14 | 6211811 ted41776
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You have to overcome this notion that your cock belongs to you and is totally your responsibility. Once it’s everybody’s responsibility and not just yours, then we start making better investments (like high speed trains instead of water pipelines)

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:14 | 6211835 HonkyShogun
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You're saying that you want his cock?

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:18 | 6211845 ted41776
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its not his cock, it belongs to everyone

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:21 | 6211858 BrocilyBeef
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Agreed, it's best that everyone has a hand on this one.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:29 | 6211885 HonkyShogun
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Here is the part where I slowly back out of the thread.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:02 | 6212009 HobbyFarmer
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don't pull out now!

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:05 | 6212021 HonkyShogun
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Hey my cock belongs solely to me, my wife and one day, God-willing, Jessica Biel.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 23:55 | 6212732 Dog Will Hunt
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You didn't bulid that erection.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 01:56 | 6212905 Kprime
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it takes a village to raise a cock.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 00:21 | 6212778 TheReplacement
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So... you want everyone's cock?

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:44 | 6211944 Kprime
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In Colorado it is illegal to collect the moisture dripping from your cock.  It has already been spoken for and belongs to those who cum first.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 00:04 | 6212746 Philo Beddoe
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Best post of the day, month and year award! 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:09 | 6212031 samcontrol
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your cock is that peanut size little thing you have between your legs.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:43 | 6211936 juangrande
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I don't know what the pulse flow is, but here in southern/central Colorado, the creeks are overflowing. Wettest May on record and June's been pretty good. Good news for Texas, NM and Mex. as the headwaters for the Rio Grande  are here. We had 18" of snow on Mother's day! Fuckin' skeeters are insufferable, tho.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:38 | 6212111 Uncle Sugar
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California expats should stop at Colorado.  Texas just signed Open Carry so definitely not safe for them and their Prius's.

 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 23:03 | 6212566 tarabel
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Californians love their scenery so Texas is not likely to be on their list.

Unfortunately, that does put the state that "America the Beautiful" was written about on their itinerary.

But they'll snuggle up in Denver and get nuked or killed during the upcoming time of riots, so it is merely a passing phase to be endured.. 

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 09:47 | 6213643 Freddie
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Texas talks big but they gave us LBJ, the Bushes, Cornyn and that phony Goldman Sachs Ted Cruz.  Texas keeps pushing the Bushes too with George Pedro Osvaldo Gonzalo Bush IV.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:57 | 6211995 WhackoWarner
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Yeah well they have already raped all the river flows.....now coming to Canada.  (which as any good USA USA  USA neo-con knows is only an untapped willing whore

 

USA does not even know one blessed thing about any other society beyond what is consumer to them.   FU and your ignorant drought golf courses and Hollywood  "endless pools".  FU for being so arrogant and stupid all at the same time. FU for allowing a system to flourish that allows this garbage.

 

Most of the world right now.  TEAM USA....FU

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:03 | 6211793 Thirtyseven
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Northern Alberta looks promising at the moment.  I just hope Califucktards don't move there and ruin the place.  I hope they don't move anywhere of course, unless it's to Mexico, I'd be fine with that.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:24 | 6211872 Metalredneck
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I fled that shithole decades ago.  For the shores of Georgian Bay, the Sweetwater Sea.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:30 | 6211892 QQQBall
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yeah, a 40- 50-mile sea you can walk across in the winter time. hahahhaha

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:04 | 6211796 jusman
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....and it rains here in Montreal every 2 days....and we are 100 yards from the St Lawrence River.  OK it is cold in the winter - to the point our intake lines from the mains froze end Feb - so we had to melt some snow in the winter for a couple of days.

There is a reason that California is sunny and warm most of the time...

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:04 | 6211797 duo
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Al Gore is looking for 6 billion volunteers to check out.

Take one for the team, I mean planet.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:08 | 6211813 surf0766
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So is the pope. All good marxist stand together

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:43 | 6211943 thamnosma
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that cult leader is beginning to piss me off

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:07 | 6211807 surf0766
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When do they march on the governor house?  I hope it is on tv.

 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:07 | 6211808 Thecomingcollapse
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DO NOT MOVE NORTH... Damnit!!! Go any damn direction BUT North!!  Ya bastards

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:16 | 6211839 Kirk2NCC1701
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Tell 'em to "Go West, Go West!"

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:19 | 6211850 Thecomingcollapse
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Now that is funny right there!!  I did actually spit out my water... (Yes, I was drinking shitloads of Water) just missed the keyboard.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:27 | 6211882 JustObserving
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Go West to Fukushima.  Lots of water stored there.  They welcome homeless people and even provide them with jobs

Japan's homeless 'recruited' for cleaning up Fukushima nuclear plant

http://rt.com/news/homeless-recruited-fukushima-nuclear-965/

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:48 | 6211963 Kprime
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Go West and have a gay ole time.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 03:35 | 6213019 Rusty Shorts
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The further you go West, the closer you get to the far East.

 

R.S.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 09:53 | 6213665 Freddie
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Yes Callie scum and all your illegals.  Dip your toes into the Fuki Sea where those Fuki waters will set you free.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 05:24 | 6213091 californiagirl
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Sorry, but north is the only direction I would consider if I left California. It might be nice to live somewhere that actually has 4 seasons.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:29 | 6211812 IREN Colorado
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I wish I could muster up some concern. California needs to deal with its own problems. For once. They consume more than their share of our nation's resources, taxes, all while dictating to US how we ought to live our lives. Oh, and they house the largest collection of non productive welfare entitled Jerks and civil service vampires in the nation. 

I'm not particularly fond of pecans and the rest of US can grow our own vegtables if we have to. 

Adieu "Golden State"

 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:21 | 6212065 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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IREN sez:

California needs to deal with its own problems. For once. They consume more than their share of our nation's resources... &etc.

Cali needs to deport about eight million illegals.  They want water as much as anyone, but 97% of them pay no taxes.

And Gov. Moonbeam needs to forget his stupid "bullet" train that will take 4 1/2 hours to go from LA to SF. You can do that right now with an advance purchace ticket for ?$100. Takes exactly ONE hour.  The infrastructure's already in place.

But Moonbeam wants his choo-choo. For his 'legacy'.

Got yer 'legacy' right here, Moonbeam...

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 05:36 | 6213102 californiagirl
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 "Gov. Moonbeam needs to forget his stupid "bullet" train"

He is just following the script of his puppetmasters, starting to implement the "America 2050" chapter of Agenda 21 to concentrate us all in limited population centers will bullet trains to speed us in between, as we won't be allowed to get off in between locales anyway in accordance with the Wildlands Project.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 20:38 | 6216040 Abbie Normal
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"Cali needs to deport about eight million illegals."

With one year of water remaining, deporting 20% of the population only stretches the water supply by 2 months -- good luck with that.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:58 | 6212158 NihilistZero
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They consume more than their share of our nation's resources, taxes...

I could correct this with factual data, but why bother.  It's another fuck CA thread for all the twits to rejoice in.  Carry on :-)

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 09:29 | 6213558 Almost Solvent
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I hear ya. 

 

I love living a couple miles from Lake Ontario in western NY - but since I live in NY, I must be some wall street tax loving type of guy. 

 

And FUCK LITTLE ANDY!

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 09:52 | 6213663 IREN Colorado
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I could correct this with factual data, but why bother.  It's another fuck CA thread for all the twits to rejoice in.  Carry on :-)

Facts:

1. California receives $1.09 for each dollar it pays in taxes. 

2. California has 12% of the population and 34% of all welfare recipients.

3. California has more people who receive Gov't benefits than who produce products or services.

 

Fact. California needs US we don't need it. Cut it off from all federal assistance. Hey "golden state". F-off!


Fri, 06/19/2015 - 09:56 | 6213674 Freddie
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Yup and do not go to Colorado.   Any idea of the number of illegals or non-whites in Callie prisons?

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 10:10 | 6213700 IREN Colorado
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California exists for one purpose. To provide the Democrat presiential candidate du jour with 55 electoral college votes. To achieve this goal the California politicial machine in concert with the Congress of the US will bankrupt every other law abiding state they need to. they will import as many drug dealers, child molesters, illegal aliens, gov't pensioners, marxist nut jobs, and prozac induced fools as they need to elect the next Obama-Hillary tyrant. 

Cut California off from US. They are a liability not an asset.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 17:48 | 6215516 NihilistZero
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Bitch please...  You cherry pick 2012 when CA has paid out more than it received for much of the previous half century.  Beyond that, last I checked defending the border was a Federal responsibility.  One that many consecutive Team Red/Blue administrations abdicated.  So now real Californians are responsible for the invaders voting patterns...

Yeah...  Right...

Feel free to die in a fire you fucking cunt :-)

Sat, 06/20/2015 - 10:15 | 6217168 IREN Colorado
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Thank you for your reply mr zero. You seem to be stuck in the 50's where California had a broad oil exploration industry, harvested from its vast public and private timber resources, set the world standard for modern agriculture, and was the technology envy of the world. Today, you have the poorest performing schools, racial strife, the nation's most bankrupt cities, corrupt civil service culture, you violate your own constitution and run multi billion dollar deficits, your credit rating is a joke, your "calpurs" pension system is a extortion racket, and, seriously, Arnold Schwartzenager?

Yeah, pray for rain mr. zero ....... 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 21:36 | 6212307 Faeriedust
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Ah, but the next stage is the same as they're seeing in Europe: what happens when all those thirsty, privileged, so-entitled Californians decide to migrate to YOUR state now that they've sucked their own dry?  How are you going to stop a migration of Americans to other parts of America?  And how are you going to deal with what happens, when they register to VOTE in YOUR town?

Sat, 06/20/2015 - 22:02 | 6218370 gladius17
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What makes you think voting changes anything?

Power flows from the barrel of a gun..

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 05:27 | 6213096 californiagirl
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We also contribute more than out fair share to GDP, much to the consternation of the environmentalists.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 10:17 | 6213737 IREN Colorado
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We also contribute more than out fair share to GDP, much to the consternation of the environmentalists.

This is demonstrably false. As proved above. Whatever productivity you have is more than offset by your drag on the national economy. California should be cut off from all Federal assistance. I know it won't happen because those tyrannical political monsters need the electoral votes but it is a undisputable fact.

California is bad for US.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:09 | 6211814 NoPension
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Somebody should pass a law. This has got to stop.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:16 | 6211840 kowalli
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That's the fucking problem with you.

first - "somebody"

second "pass a law"

you are too much depended for your government, and government don't  give a fuck about you.

wake up...

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:20 | 6211854 kareninca
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uh, that was a joke.  I think NP thought it was obvious enough that /s was not needed.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:30 | 6211894 kowalli
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my bad(

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 20:10 | 6212035 samcontrol
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yes, pass a law for rain visits once a month. 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:11 | 6211823 Demdere
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I am so impressed with what a very fine job our water management people have done, planning for this certain future.

So wonderful that communities can water their lawn while worrying about whether the wells will run dry soon or the reservoirs empty.

This will be a good test : in no previous economic and ecological and social mixed crises, have we had so much government to help us.  FEMA will surely save us, right?

Are you prepping yet?

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:11 | 6211824 Perimetr
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Here in Missouri, the rivers are flooding.

Please, have all the new oil you want, we are drowning in it.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:15 | 6211837 Salah
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Washington State = NO income tax

Oregon = NO sales taxes

Both are constitutional home-rule states, i.e. no crazies fucking up the entire state for their LOCAL FETISH

West side of both = great camping, scenery, water availability, agricultural wealth, and SEAFOOD!

Electricity cost = lowest in America

Property Crime = lowest in America

East side of both = beautiful high deserts and green mountains, lots of skiing, and WINERIES, esp in that Yakima Valley


Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:18 | 6211846 Kirk2NCC1701
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ARE YOU FUCKING NUTS!? 

Why would you want either state to get Californicated?  Jesus H Christ!

"Call a place Paradise and you can kiss it good-bye." line from a song.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:50 | 6211969 juangrande
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Californians have been going there for 3 decades. Most of todays Californians are not Californians. And I'm not talkin' bout Mexicans, either. Although, besides your indigenous fellars, Mexicans are more Californian than the gold mining immigrants of the 1800's, and the jews and Okies that moved there in the early 20th century.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 23:40 | 6212692 DaveyJones
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...a great song

 

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 00:18 | 6212773 Kirk2NCC1701
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"The Last Resort" -The Eagles

Lyrics @ http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eagles/thelastresort.html

...Some rich men came and raped the land,
Nobody caught 'em
Put up a bunch of ugly boxes, and Jesus,
people bought 'em
And they called it paradise
The place to be
They watched the hazy sun, sinking in the sea

You can leave it all behind
and sail to Lahaina
just like the missionaries did, so many years ago
They even brought a neon sign: "Jesus is coming"
Brought the white man's burden down
Brought the white man's reign

Who will provide the grand design?
What is yours and what is mine?
'Cause there is no more new frontier
We have got to make it here

We satisfy our endless needs and
justify our bloody deeds,
in the name of destiny and the name
of God

And you can see them there,
On Sunday morning
They stand up and sing about
what it's like up there
They call it paradise
I don't know why
You call someplace paradise,
kiss it goodbye

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 09:59 | 6213686 Freddie
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Oh F**K!   The Eagles.  Progressive dirtbags and illiterates aka Grey Frey and Don Henley.  They ***king love Moonbeam. 

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 03:15 | 6213004 Tall Tom
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Call it anything other than what it is and then it is just a LIE.

 

There seems to be a bunch of LIARS on ZH.

 

If people wanted to move there then they'd already be there.

 

BTW...The Eagles, Joe Walsh, et al...are Satanists.

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:23 | 6211861 Thecomingcollapse
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Dude!! STFU!!  We are full up with Democrats and Crazies... No more need apply

Oregon = run by libtards in Portland, and our very own Governor is a bi-sexual Democrat..... So, yeah... It's peaches

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:23 | 6211863 Citxmech
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STFU indeed.  WA state sucks big donkey balls.  Way worse than CA.  Don't even visit.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 09:38 | 6213605 Almost Solvent
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Escpecially once the Fuckishima effect really starts fucking the west coast. 

 

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 19:33 | 6211904 QQQBall
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Hey genius - what is the highest state income rate in Oregon? and believe it, if things get worse, there will be a sales tax too if for nothing more that stopping the people of Vancouver and Camas for shopping in Oregon

Thu, 06/18/2015 - 21:39 | 6212319 Thirtyseven
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Why would anyone want to deter customers?

Doesn't make sense.

Sure Washington and the people of Vancouver, WA probably don't like their own stepping across state lines, but why would Oregon business owners shoot themselves in the foot?

I don't see Delaware getting a sales tax anytime soon.  They're happy with Marylanders, New Jerseycunts, and half of Philadelphia buying big ticket items over there.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 02:58 | 6212980 Tall Tom
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BECAUSE HE IS A STATIST SOCIALIST typical of what is up there in the Pacific Northwest. He supports Sales Taxes.

 

On your other assertion...Vancouver is a small suburb of Portland and it is just a Freeway Drive across the river to Portland. You have  two freeways to choose from.

 

 

It is like being in Santee, CA and driving to Downtown San Diego. It is not a big deal. Vancouver actually reminds me of East County San Diego.

 

Looking forward to returning.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 02:47 | 6212974 Tall Tom
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Vancouver and Camus are small.

 

Of course the retailers located in Vancouver and Canus will welcome an Oregon Sales Tax...so they can compete.

 

Unfortunately the side affect of an Oregon Sales Tax is growth in Camus and Vancouver and a loss of Property Values, thus Property Tax REVENUES, from the Portland Metro Area...due to diminishing demand.

 

Furthermore I like pumping my own Gas...WHICH I CAN DO IN WASHINGTON.

 

There are a lot of fucking SOCIALISTS UP THERE...INCLUDING YOU WHO WANTS A GOD DAMNED SALES TAX IN OREGON??

 

You expose yourself, statist.

 

Looking forward to returning.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 00:38 | 6212804 dark_matter
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I live in Oregon. It is a crappy place and no one would want to move here.

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