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The Euro "Young Adults Living With Their Parents" Zone
A 'region' divided... because nothing says 'recovery' like 45-55% of young peripheral European adults (25-34 year olds!!) living with their parents.
h/t @AmazingMaps
And it's not just Europe - as we noted previously...
As hopes (of better jobs and higher incomes driving the young adult to their first home purchase) are dashed on the shores of Fed-driven asset-inflation and utter unaffordability.
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Apparently there's no people in the gray-colored Eurasian areas.
Where there is no data, thar be dragons!
Or Vicki Nutland wet spots.
Precious few in the "socialist hellholes" of Scandinavia (+Finland).
Precious few children there too. Demography has consequences.
"Life in the Basement Lane, slowly make you lose your mind..."
The four countries in question have a replacement rate of 1.8, which for developed European nations is on the high side.
Italy, Spain, Germany and Poland are far lower. And their live-at-home indices are all far higher.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN
What ahem, "flavor" is that replacement rate?
it's extra crispy, with a side of hold-the-bacon
If Scandinavia is your idea of a Hell Hole, please tell me what you consider that much better a place? I find Sweden as a Hell Hole a bit of a joke really. I just had a Costa Rican frined stay over for a couple days, he is in town selling specialist metal working tools to the local industry who build heavy log loading and demolition equipment sold round the world. His Swedish company hires locals from across the globe to be their boots on the ground as regards service and promotion of their metal working tools. Manufactured and designed in Sweden, considered the best in the world for the specialty metal working. The Swedish company prospers in Socialist Sweden, finding top level enginners, designers, sales, and transport people. If you saw the areas around Major Swedish cities, full of such manufacturing and the tens of thousands of jobs that go with them, we all wonde where the socialism is. Or my families three farms in Southern Sweden, private property worked for hundreds of years, they sell to whom and when they like, plant what they like and answer to no Socialists. I could go on. The point is, the "Big Lie" about Scandinavia is a joke. They are more tuned to business and manufacturing than America. Local miners buy their hard rock drilling equipment from Sweden, because it's the best. In fact, spending time in Sweden nearly very year, I do find it a hoot when Americans refer to Socialist hell holes. If a country where peoples taxes pays for full health care, instead of the Iraq war is a bad thing, then yep, Sweden is bad. Fuck I like losing s trillion in Iraq, and having zero national health.
I visited Sandviken, where Sandvik Corp. is located, in 2010. Nice place.
i wouldn't take pride in comparing your country to the usa - it's like saying, i'm smarter than the retarded kid.
and a point of clarification - you don't pay taxes for full health care. you pay taxes because there's a system of extortion in place, which forces you under duress to pay taxes, or else! the fact that *some* of your taxes come back to you in the form of health care is nice, but wouldn't you rather be in control of all of your own money, and make your own decisions as to how much and what kind of health care to buy, instead of leaving those decisions to bungling government bureaucrats to decide for you?
here there may be tigers
Pic Two – California took Michigan’s water. ?
The Balkan states are completely depopulated, now advertising as a liberal utopia
Where Europe's asylum seekers come from...
You can't say they ain't tryin'.
Do you mean the Baltics instead? They adopted American Neoliberal economics across the board. They are also net losers of population every year, even now.
Baltics, Balkans... same shit different region.
Just a bunch or Eastern and Southern Slavs and those dang Muzzies we're supposed to not be liking.
No they just haven't determined who their parents are yet.
The gray areas have a lot of badgers.
They're lucky we allow them to be alive at all.
- Mario Draghi
What's wrong with living with your family?
Nothing. If you get along with them. And you don't mind listening to your Dad laying the wood to your Mom (or your second Dad) a couple times a week through the floorboards.
at least they'll be well adjusted for life in the barracks.
I love my kids but after 24 I would kick them out for sure!
It just means they’re lazy! Not poor!
They just want to live the hotel life!
Baby boomer? Don't wanna hand it to them on the same government silver spoon that fed you and got us into a pile of debt?
The US is really an anomaly in this regard. Most households throughout history were multi-generational, parents worked while the grandparents watched the kids, or something like that. You can see the advantages, like not needing to worry about childcare, until Ma or Pa develop dementia.
“Dementia”
‘Where are the children you old freak!?
“I dunno. Have some fresh stew.”
The U.S. was the anomaly because the U.S. was a frontier-land for much of it's history. It's much harder to move 25 people to Utah than to simply say, "Son, go west and find a wife and make a fortune."
Back in colonial days entire families slept in one bed.
Minutemen would screw their wives right next to the chill’in Chillens. “Hurry dad, I have school tomorrow”.
It was pre-WW2. VA mortgages became Fannie Mae and and Freddie Mac. Oh, and those wives weren't out west, unless they wuz Injun.
https://stargazermercantile.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Brides81.jpg
That too
The Aristocracies of the Middle Ages had three generations living under one roof scrabbling out a living in squalid conditions on the Lord's and Ladie's land.
This is simply the return of feudalism, the new normal or neofeudalism, but with paved roads.
And iPhones.
I hear dysentary is making a comeback, though. The classics never really go out of style.
Fight against it is part of decades old brainwashing. System needs fresh meat and where it is better than young, naive individuals with ideologically enhanced egos? System plays on their "pride" and imposes delusions of "independence". We are always dependent. When systematically fucked and exploited, its much better to depend on your own parents than complete strangers whose sole motive is to extract from you more than they pay you.
Replies from 1. world countries are not welcome, as they depended, throughout last few hundred years, too much on misery and suffering of the rest of the world. Its easy to live on account of people you never met.
Just watch constant obsession with "youth unemployment" left and right, mainstream and fringe. Its incredibly hypocritical and everywhere!
Fresh meat equals more debt slaves. I had a relative who moved 1500 miles across country. Her mother wanted her to stay nearby to raise her family. Oh nooo! Hubby could make a few dollars more over there. They went into huge debt for a few houses and many cars. The kids were raised too far away to know, or even care about, their real families. Eventually, the strain of debt slavery ended predictably, dee-vorce. Now they live separately still in debt, of course. I don't feel sorry for them tho'. The hubby made more than one derogatory statement about my 'frugal' lifestyle while spending borrowed money on a timeshare in Mexico where gringos aren't even allowed to own property, only rent.
Divide and Conquer works in many different ways.
"What's wrong with living with your family?"
The lack of independence. I needed my own setting and narrative; I was out of the house at the age of 19 and out of the country at the age of 24.
That is not because I don't like my parents or my country - I do, a lot. I just had things to go do with my life.
But Eirik, with a name like that, which makes me suspect you live in Scandinavia, the decision to live alone is not nearly as big a decision as if you lived somewhere that younger people really had few other options.
As children are increasingly becoming dependent upon their parents, one has to wonder if the parent's passing may be an expense the children can no longer afford. We will soon see more cases of stuffed parents propped up in the living room window to keep those Social Security checks coming in??
Go long taxidermy supplies!!!
That may be the next big industry, disposing of parents' remains without .gov knowing and setting up a scenario so .gov thinks they are still alive. For many old folks, their friends and family are long gone so no one will report them being missing or dead.
With manequins, holograms and face make up, it can easily possible to keep those benefit checks rolling in for another 30 maybe 40 years and the beauty of it, now that direct deposit and debit cards are the rage, no one will ever find out as no one will see who deposits and withdraws.
FYI, the SSA suspects anyone over 100 years old.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/social-security-fraud-marie-jos...
http://oig.ssa.gov/audits-and-investigations/investigatins/jan13-wash
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/ig-audit-65-million-people-a...
So that means it's no longer necessary to keep Grandpa's thumb in the freezer for the annual thumbprint proof-of-life pension cards?
Welfare mothers kill their children here in Detroit. Then the crafty moms stuff the now dead children into freezers so nobody will notice the stench. And the checks keep roll’in in.
The top chart says the US rate is 13.9%, the bottom chart shows all the most populous states with an over 30% rate. What gives?
The top chart says 25-34 olds, the bottom says 25 year olds.
FEMA Style Camps for the 99% in the very near future.
Enjoy your "independence" while it lasts.
I'm starting to think living in your parents' basement is the new FEMA camp.
Notice the deep left Liberal states where the poorest of the poor still live in the basement. But hey they feel your pain LMAO!... ( not saying the republicans are any better, fact is there are NO republicans.
Wow, New Jersey leading the charge! Go long sump pumps!
Not too far behind are the households on Lake Michigan?
too dumb to understand that left vs right is irrelevant rubbish?
if you set that nonsense aside, you'd probably be able to figure out that the map is colored by things like rent, cost of living, youth unemployment rate, etc.
If the parents are living in >2,000 ft home as many do, why not?
Homes are a lot bigger by many times from 60 years ago, they could easily house 8- 10 people
Enjoy it while you can, kids.
The reaper's coming, his name is Fred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcGQed11XCg
Or is it Fonzi?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhhGparW6KQ
All the cool codgers will go with Fonz. Ayy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyzK6e6py9A
Eight to ten people in a 2000 square foot home? Maybe if they are mostly children. Don't get me wrong I've lived in tighter conditions, but I was 18-20 and living in a barracks. The bigger problem is that it is our house and I wouldn't put up with too much.
At 18 I had my own bedroom for
The first time as I signed a one year lease on an apartment. 7 kids in a three bedroom house growing up.! We learned yes sir and yes ma'am and how to work hard . I never looked back. We are raising entitled spoiled I crap addicted can't do anything basement dwellers . You think today's society is bad? Wait 20 years !
Fascinating.. I bet climate plays a huge role. Nothing to do with climate change BS.
I know for one, I'm substantially more productive in the spring and fall than in the hot summer and cold winter.
I would be a dead ass in greece myself in that heat and humidity.
Looked like East Block Soviet Union did worst, Yugoslavia was part of it and Greece & Italy apparently had leanings toward Communism. Ireland was repressed by British.
Kind of a Geopolitical View of Economics.
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For the US chart map, might there be any correlation to parcel/house availability and affordability?
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
Cultural differences play a role as well. For many it doesn't make sense to move out just to live alone, so it doesn't become relevant until marriage prospects enter the picture.
Rejoice for all those twenty-somethings living in their parent's basement have significantly reduced their carbon footprints!
I gotta household of tools across the road from me that exemplifies these very stats.
Ironically the little fuckers seem to have no jobs, but have spankin' new cars w/ aftermarket wheels & exhausts and plenty of munny for gas and insurance.
Oh how the future looks bright..........
The purpose of government regulation of the economy is to stifle newcomers while protecting entrenched interests. This is socialism by any other name, nominally public control of production.
This tendency is unavoidable in government for the simple reason that the entrenched interests by defnition of BEING ENTRENCHED are more networked with government.
Children are always newcomers.
Grandparents, and to a lesser extent parents, are entrenched interests.
When you squeeze the newcomer businesses, you unavoidably squeeze also those whom they would employ...the young.
Socialism is wrong.
Socialism is wrong for the reason that it is a slow form of suicide that systematically stifles the young, the new, the dynamic in favor of the old, the moribund, and the corrupt.
You are so right, but most people never see it. Regulation is pushed by big companies to squash newcomers.
In Colombia...they live with 4 generations...and it works well...usually a father or two are missing.....they are very family down here...and happy too
So if a kid was abused by an older sibling there would be an uncle, a mother, grandparents to straighten it out quickly.
Family and upbringing might be the most important things to growing up right.
"Whats wrong with living with your parents"? Answer: when children move from their parents they need own apartment or house, so they need mortgages. Thats good for banks and housing business. At least in Scandinavia its very weird if 25 years old man does not have "own" house or flat and lots of loans. More and more loans for house and premium brand cars (dsgwag) better response from women (golddiggers). I think one swedish blond popstar had a huge hit "man I need a HOUSE"
1. One map shows people in age between 25 - 34 in EU living with parents. Second shows young students with age till 25 when they still study living with parents in US. So its bad data for comparison.
2. No maps showing that in Russia majority livs not only with parents but with their grandparents aka babushkas
Ha ha ha
looks kinda like a mass immigration map, stragely enough the sub-prime debt and loan fraud maps are exactly the same as well as stagnant wages and increasing taxes maps.
rents are up along with debt service revenues, bullish for Globalists*
This is what happens when you let permatemping exist. Who can plan for long-term purchases if you're strung on 3-6 month contracts?
The Scandinavian Socialist Wastelands are at 4%. If you have a homogenous society then socialism can redistribute pretty well.
In non homogenous socities, with high racial friction, then redistribution has to happen via the price mechanism.
No surprise, this is what happens when you vote for politicians who help corporations shift their production to developing countries in pursuit of higher profits. The past 30+ years have been a great time to be a shareholder, not so great a time to be a Western worker.
If Scandinavia is your idea of a Hell Hole, please tell me what you consider that much better a place? I find Sweden as a Hell Hole a bit of a joke really.
Jack,
Lighten up, it was a joke. I was poking fun at all those who are so ready to point their finger and demean socialism in all its forms.
The bigger point is that Capitalism has rents, and these are cost losses that have to be erased, usually by taxing and redistribution. It is an uncomfortable thought for most ideologues.
If you have read any of my posts you must know that I'm a race realist. In Skandinavia everybody is "son of John" so that makes it easier to redistribute by way of politics. It is all in the family, as your neighbor is an extension of your own blood line.
I don't consider it a hell hole.... quite the opposite.
I would like to see this graphed out over a longer period.
What is considered the baseline scenario for all of these countries and how has it changed?