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Blacks are 13% of US population 37.6% of prisoners and 71% of shooters in Chicago

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Over the last couple of years, one of the dinner discussions our family has had relates to the observation that many, if not most, of the alleged perpetrators of violent crimes whose photographs appear in the mugshot section of our local newspaper's crime report are black.  We live in a very white area of what used to be rural farms and ranches, but is now being quickly developed with multi-family housing and strip malls.  A large metropolitan city is a short drive.

Brandon Smith (left) and Tyfine Hamilton (right) have been charged with the murder of James Stuhlman in a botched robbery

The kids and wife have asked me, "Why do you think it is, dad, that the murderers and robbers are usually black?"   How is a dad supposed to answer this?

First, I wanted to look at more data than just the police report of our local paper.  What I found is that blacks are 13% of the US population, 37.6% of the US prisoner population, and 71.5% of the shooters in Chicago.

 

Race of US Population

 
White alone, percent, 2013 (a)
77.7%
 
Black or African American alone, percent, 2013 (a)
13.2%
 
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent, 2013 (a)
1.2%
 
Asian alone, percent, 2013 (a)
5.3%
 
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent, 2013 (a)
0.2%
 
Two or More Races, percent, 2013
2.4%
 
Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2013 (b)
17.1%
 
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2013
62.6%

 

 

Inmate Race in US Prisons

Race # of Inmates % of Inmates
  Asian 3,182 1.5%
  Black 78,112 37.6%
  Native American 3,945 1.9%
  White 122,771 59.0%

 

From http://heyjackass.com/

Race of Victim/Assailant 2015 Chicago

Race Victim Assailant
Black 154 35
Hispanic 37 8
White/Other 10 5
Police - 1
As of 6/19/15

 

Next, I started to watch and read some popular news reports and articles on the internet about black violence.  I challenge each reader to make it through just the following five:

9 Year Black Boy Old Punches, Kicks, and Chokes Toddlers at Daycare

10 Year Old Black Girl Attacks Teacher

Two 15-year-old black boys charged with murder

Three black teenagers charged with murder in the death of 16 year-old.

First-round NBA pick shot and killed 22-year-old mother of four.

 

Finally, I asked a black sheriff if the notion that most murderers and robbers are black fits with his observations and experience.  He responded, "You gotta judge people individually." 

I told him that I agree, and that I am not judging anyone.  I asked him, again, "Does the notion that a majority of murders and robberies in your jurisdiction are committed by blacks fit with your observations and experience?"  He paused, stared at me, and said, "Yes." 

I asked him if he had an opinion as to why this might be the case, since blacks make up a small minority of the population.  I told him that my wife and kids have been asking me these questions. 

He said, "You need to watch yourself.  You need to be real careful."  Then the black sheriff's deputy put his hand on his sidearm, stared at me for a moment, turned around, and walked away.

So, this is where I find myself as an American trying to ask one hard question about race and violence in America.

Why do you think it is that the murderers and robbers are usually black?  Is it the case where you live?  How is a dad supposed to answer this question?  Are your wife and kids even able to ask it?  Are we as a nation even able to ask it?

Peace.

 

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Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:56 | 6226431 combatsnoopy
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Some. 

Busta Rhymes- talking about fathering, losing his first son.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI9AdeBuoig

BTW, his oldest now just graduated from college with a degree in business marketing.

Old Man was so happy he threw the boy a sick high end party with celebs at a high end joint.  
https://revolt.tv/video/busta-rhymes-throws-all-star-party-to-celebrate-...

Not all blacks are like that.  

If you want to talk about a lack of family structure, let's look at the typical tweaker trash clones, shall we?  

And still, Mexicans have some sort of "family structure" and their kids are idiots if you look at the stats. 

The trouble with prejudice is that you can't see danger where it is and innocent people fall prey to in order to justify your complex.

Why are blacks like this?  Whose the plant? Agent provocateur?
Back during the Oakland Riots in the 60's, FBI informant Richard Aoki armed the Black Panthers.

My hunch tells me that racism PR and the other junk in the Middle East was paid for by big oil.   That's where the tweakers and white supremacists congregate.

 

In California on the 2013 STAR exams, BLACKS SCORED HIGHER ON INTEGRATED MATH AND ALGEBRA THAN WHITES DID their Jr. year in High School. 

 

I'm a victim of the overrepresented minority clause in affirmative action AND raunchy garbage racism by whites.  I'm not alone, I've seen Asians with strong creds living in the 
U.S. as citizens being looked over after sending out thousands of resumes.  

That's only before I was targeted by racism by a nasty gross white tweaker lady who robbed, harassed and physically attacked me.  No the cop didn't do anything.  They don't report crimes from certain races.   Unless Sonny Kim was killed in the line of duty on Friday night. 

But you don't care.  The victims of the LA riots in 1992 don't matter to you either, you were not there to support the non-looting LEGAL immigrants who became victims because the victims were not white. 

Keep your false sense of security.  

Remember, white people used the government to force us into TARP and the subprime scandal.   White people killed the U.S. economy.

Ukraine is a spitting image of the U.S., influenced by white supremacists who bully everyone due to their own lack of competance.   

 

 

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 21:07 | 6227958 btdt
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"white peope used the guv to force us into TARP and the subprime scandal?

please respect us and use our prefered idenitfier "forked tongued blue eyed devils".

 

"..

In California on the 2013 STAR exams, BLACKS SCORED HIGHER ON INTEGRATED MATH AND ALGEBRA THAN WHITES DID their Jr. year in High School.

..."

couldn't find the particular table to confirm what you say, but for all students, for math, for 2013, the STAR results were blacks 35 and white 62

http://www.cde.ca.gov/nr/ne/yr13/yr13rel73.asp

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 17:32 | 6227155 Obama LaForge
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So black people in LA burn down Asian businesses, and you blame white people for not rescuing you? What is this, white man's burden? Is your opinion so low for blacks that you don't think anything they do is their own fault? Or is it that you think we still 'own' them, and that's why we're responsible for everything they do? As if you think we could stop them from rioting if we wanted to.

As for the Asians with strong creds being passed over, join the club. The economy sucks. Move to a place with a lower unemployment rate. That's what I did. By the way, the unemployment rate for Asians is lower in the US than it is for white people.

As for bitching about affirmative action, stop blaming the other victim of that. Maybe start attaching blame to the actual perpetrators of what bugs you.

That wouldn't suit you, though, because your real target is white people.

If America had half a brain, they'd stop importing people who come for the American dream, realize it's long gone, and then just end up calling white people racists, like they're doing any better anyhow, and have obviously no loyalty to America, probably betraying it in an instant if attacked.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 15:11 | 6226504 centerline
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Your argument started off solid, then got fuzzy and took a left turn into "confused frustration" and crashed (caught fire and burned).  Oh well.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:55 | 6226428 large_wooden_badger
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If single mothers got married they wouldn't be able to collect their welfare paychecks from Uncle Sugar. It's how the game is played. Stop subsidizing single-parent families and the problem will return to normal levels. Women will think twice before they spread their legs for baby daddies if they're know they're not going to be able to join Uncle Sugar's free shit army. Maybe they would even raise their standards and select to have relations with successful men instead of deadbeats. Simple Darwinism at work.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 18:12 | 6227236 forexskin
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^

This.

What you feed is what grows. If you're willing to pay the price to live in the pig trap, you're gonna get what you get.

http://taxicabdepressions.com/?p=1193

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:31 | 6226329 Thick Willy
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Bullshit excuse.  "Well, see, their ancestors are all shitty people and they were shitty people because their ancestors were shitty people because their ancestors were shitty people because their ancestors were shitty people............"  Where does it end?  Maybe blacks are just shitty people?

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:09 | 6226228 hedgeless_horseman
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Can you link us to any data that supports your contention that black mothers are more likely to leave their kids home unparented?

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:50 | 6226407 pulladan
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http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39993685/ns/health-womens_health/t/blacks-stru...

I'm not saying that black mothers are leaving their children unattended,  but there's a difference between between parents dedicating time and effort to raise their childern and handing them off to those who just "look after" them.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:15 | 6226261 Mike Honcho
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If 3/4 are single parent homes, then maw is either on welfare or working.  That conclusion can be inferred.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 16:07 | 6226685 hedgeless_horseman
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I would need some data to overcome the facts that my mother worked outside of the home her entire life leaving me unattended to play in the streets and yet I still didn't become a violent criminal.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 19:03 | 6227546 Esculent 69
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its because your mother actually worked where as these kids mothers do nothing but talk on their obamaphones while walking their kid across the street not observing nor caring what the traffic light said.  

same with this other kid, both were in chattanooga, tn,  who was walking across the street against the red daring someone one to do or say summfin.  its an attitude they have been taught not to mention thier mothers had them to get the government cheez.  

why do you think rappers call their women ho's?  that's not an accident.  destroy the family unit you destroy the offspring that is brought up in that home.  then when they are told its because of racism its easier to believe that than the truth.

also just passed through bill clintons boyhood home of hot springs, ak and man what a shithole.  such poverty that it breaks your heart.  they look like a person who knows they will never get out of there and has no future. take a guess what kind of attitude that person will have.  i was looked at like i had six eyes on my face because i treated people with respect and kindness and held the door open for those who were coming out.  it was surreal. they have the basic mode of surviving and thats it.  

oh and btw is HH GW or is GW HH? inquiring friends of mine who get blocked for being truthy and not violating the discrimantion policy want to know?

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:33 | 6226333 Thick Willy
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I have 0 sympathy for this bullshit excuse because there was nobody in America poorer than I was growing up in a black neighborhood that was literally 100% single mothers.  I am a college grad with no arrests and a good career.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:07 | 6226218 Mike Honcho
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70-75%, and as many of their other perverse culture characteristics it is a badge of honor, meaning they become "strong black women"

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/05/72-percent-black-fatherhood_n_5648759.html

 

They have remained roughly 13% of total pop since the 70s but procreate rapidly, so yes they die off just as quick.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:14 | 6226254 centerline
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Becomes a vicious cycle as well.  Self-perpetuating.  After a few generations, it is seen as just "the way things are."

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 13:59 | 6226186 KnuckleDragger-X
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In the land of the special snowflakes. I would compare them to poo flinging monkeys in a zoo, but the monkeys actually have a society of sorts while Chicago etal have Obozo.....

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 13:58 | 6226181 HandyCrapper
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Blacks want special treatment...and the Feds are giving it to them. They commit most of the crimes in the USA and are kept in the lower levels of society through govt. education, welfare, etc. They are the useful idiots of the Democrats who pretend to care about them but only want their votes.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 18:08 | 6227344 Billy the Poet
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Whereas you see right through any such collectivist nonsense, consider yourself to be an individual rather than just a member of some tribe and you respect others enough to treat them like individuals too. Keep up the good work!

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 13:57 | 6226177 arrowrod
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Would anybody that reads ZH, walk through Washington DC at night?  You should be safe, after all there are about 300,000 law enforcement officers in the area.

Is that being racist or realist?  Or chickenshitist?

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:39 | 6226366 Thick Willy
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I wouldn't walk through D.C. at any time of the day or night if I could avoid it.  Just across the river in 90%+ white Arlington Virginia though I did walk hundreds of times alone at night for many miles between the hours of midnight and 5 AM on secluded trails and deserted streets for years with nothing but the coyotes to worry about since I had my pistol on me.

Not to say that Arlington is immune to negro crime by any means.  But I was ready to die in a shoot out if necessary had someone tried to mug me or some shit.  But nobody ever did.  Surprise surprise, blacks don't attack a big white guy that looks ready to fight back.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 19:21 | 6227324 Billy the Poet
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Surprise surprise, blacks don't attack a big white guy that looks ready to fight back.

I'm an aging, skinny, unarmed white guy who has worked with, partied with and been a neighbor to black folks for many years and they've never attacked me either.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 23:06 | 6228237 daveO
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I once saw a skinny, blind, white guy on the Greyhound bus. He was from Richmond and talked about surviving several muggings. Weaklings are always at the bottom of the pecking order, in the jungle.

Wed, 06/24/2015 - 00:45 | 6228460 Billy the Poet
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.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:22 | 6226289 Winston Churchill
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Not se DC for sure.

Even the cops only go there in convoy after dark.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 13:54 | 6226166 q99x2
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Are we as a nation

The answer to that is no because the government is run by the TPP and the military is run by NATO so first you have to have a nation to ask such stupid questions. What kind of article is this anyhow? 

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 13:53 | 6226164 large_wooden_badger
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Because they can't all play for the NFL or NBA, that's why

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 13:51 | 6226156 NoTTD
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Clearly, White Priviege is responsible. 

 

Don't you read Slate and HuffPo?

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 13:50 | 6226141 MFL8240
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But, but, but...White people are racists!  And racism is worse than murdering people. Just ask the liberals in the media!

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 18:52 | 6227494 Jumbotron
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I think it was VERY TELLING that the officer put his HAND ON HIS WEAPON after you asked that question.  I don't think it had to do with race.  But ANY officer, black or white had better NOT DARE put his hand on his weapon unless he was sure he was going to use it to defend his life or the life of a citizen.  THAT was the STATE talking to you.  And the STATE has no race.

 

Keep up with the Fascist States of America and their para-military forces we call the Police here.....

www.informationliberation.com

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:08 | 6226221 Mad Max
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Because violence can be a personality trait, and personality traits can be heritable?

This isn't rocket science, but it does require a willingness to contemplate ideas that have been forbidden for decades.

For what it's worth, criminality and violence is a heritable issue in white people too, it's just a far less common trait.

Wed, 06/24/2015 - 07:01 | 6228833 neidermeyer
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In Africa the numbers approach 100% and 100% .. you can take the boy out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the boy.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:47 | 6226398 Obama LaForge
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No, it's obviously because white people are keeping them down with police brutality. This is why in countries with only black people and no white people, you see none of these problems. Haiti, as such an example, is a glittering technological hub of innovation and lawful jurisprudence.

/sarc

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 15:11 | 6226510 Mad Max
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Indeed.  Just look at how South Africa and Zimbabwe have flourished after throwing off the shackles of white oppression.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 18:11 | 6227158 forexskin
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foul - not allowed to use those examples - this is merica

ummm /s?

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:19 | 6226272 0b1knob
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If the proportion of Blacks in prison is less than the proportion of violent crimes committed by Blacks, doesn't that prove that Blacks are being treated too leniently?

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 23:16 | 6228280 boogerbently
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The Libs would say the 37% incarceration rate of a group that comprises 13% of the population is PROOF of racism.

(The push advertising on this page, as I'm writing shows a 30ish couple. A black man and a white girl.)

They are ignorant, arrogant, and violent.....facts, not racism. They don't want to be "equal". It would require too much effort on their part. They just want to whine to get more FREE STUFF.

Great gig. If you can get it.

Wed, 06/24/2015 - 01:01 | 6228510 chumbawamba
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So you are saying all people with "black" skin are like this?

Wed, 06/24/2015 - 17:17 | 6231034 boogerbently
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Ahhhh....."ALL".....

The libs favorite hideout.

I would say the ones who are NON: ignorant, arrogant, and violent, are an abberation.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 17:46 | 6227243 Billy the Poet
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"If the proportion of Blacks in prison is less than the proportion of violent crimes committed by Blacks, doesn't that prove that Blacks are being treated too leniently?"

 

 

"A system designed to protect individual liberty will have no punishments for any group and no privileges. Today, I think inner-city folks and minorities are punished unfairly in the war on drugs. For instance, blacks make up 14% of those who use drugs, yet 36 percent of those arrested are Blacks and it ends up that 63% of those who finally end up in prison are Blacks. This has to change. We don’t have to have more courts and more prisons. We need to repeal the whole war on drugs. It isn’t working. We have already spent over $400 billion since the early 1970s, and it is wasted money. Prohibition didn’t work. Prohibition on drugs doesn’t work. So we need to come to our senses. And, absolutely, it’s a disease. We don’t treat alcoholics like this. This is a disease, and we should orient ourselves to this. That is one way you could have equal justice under the law." -- Ron Paul

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:33 | 6226335 El Vaquero
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"The kids and wife have asked me, "Why do you think it is, dad, that the murderers and robbers are usually black?"   How is a dad supposed to answer this?"

 

That through the welfare state and things like affirmative action and the war on drugs, we give them incentive for this kind of behavior.  They live in society that tells them that they cannot make it in the society without help because they are so "disadvantaged," then it pays them to fundamentally be "disadvantaged."  Their paychecks depend on them not understanding this.  The risk premium that the war on drugs brings about gives them something to do that they don't have to be terribly literate to do.  End the war on drugs, wean them from the government tit, strengthen self defense laws and let them sink or swim, and they'll change.  But not after some pretty nasty social upheaval. 

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 22:59 | 6228221 daveO
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There are a lot of self righteous whites who get paid and get off on coddling them. Most all gov. employees. These are the same ones who voted for BHO, of course.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 15:24 | 6226567 chumbawamba
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In other words, a broken people.

We miss you in the chat caliphate, El V.

-Chumblez.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 17:31 | 6227149 forexskin
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remember your ideals when it come time to defend yourself from a generalization intent on mugging you. i've been there - it sucks - and yes, it is ultimately the individual responsible, otherwise we have no standard with which to measure.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 20:28 | 6227837 chumbawamba
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I'm somewhat fortunate in that where I live there is little chance of that happening.  And I tend to avoid putting myself in situations where this could happen.  Should it occur, I am prepared to defend myself to the extent necessary.

I do not coddle anyone based on external characteristics.  By their deeds you shall know them, but first and foremost I rely on my gut instinct.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 06/24/2015 - 00:14 | 6228426 forexskin
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i acknowledge the good sense in this - but your cognitive dissonance is showing.

Wed, 06/24/2015 - 00:55 | 6228499 chumbawamba
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I spent a February locked up with the kind of people you don't want to run into on a street corner.  I'm a realist.  The reality is: trust no one.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:30 | 6226323 Citxmech
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It's more complicated than that if half of the folks in jail are there for non-violent drug charges.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 20:01 | 6227740 NoPension
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You not allowed to ax, eh..ask.

"You want the truth!,??, YOU want the TRUTH?!!!"

" I think I deserve the truth!"

" YOU can't handle the TRUTH!"

You fuckin' people

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:51 | 6226412 Obama LaForge
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Drug use: still not a positive attribute.

Tue, 06/23/2015 - 14:45 | 6226384 Anusocracy
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Well, hunter-gatherers lost about 2% of their population each year fighting with neighboring tribes. For the more physical and less cerebral tribes there was a survival benefit, for the more cerebral and less physical, that was less likely.

So now hunter-gatherer descendants join gangs and do free-lance killings while the more civilized pharaonic descendants use armies and cops to do their killings.

Ah, progress.

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