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A New Problem For Greece Emerges: How To Do the Russian "Unpivot" After Capitulating To The Troika
While Greece is collectively scratching its head why Tsipras et al were at loggerheads with Europe for 4 months, during which time the Greek economy entered a recession and saw its banks not only depleted of all cash but become de facto wards of the ECB, just to reach an "agreement" that could have taken place back in February, and attention shifts to just how Tsipras will pass last night's impromptu capitulation through hard-line leftist parliamentarians, Greece now has another problem: how to unpivot the aggressive pivot toward Russia in the past few months, which culminated with the signing of an energy deal last week in St. Petersburg.
It goes without saying that if Greece is scrambling to go back into the Troika's good graces, Belgium will make it very clear that any overtures to Putin are to be "cease and deceased" (sic) immediately. Which opens a can of worms for the Marxists in government: how to slam shut the door to their ideological Plan B, when everyone knows the Grexit fiasco will repeat again in a few months, and Greece will again be knocking on the Kremlin's door.
For now, however, the situation is as follows, courtesy of Kathimerini: a rift appeared to have emerged Monday between Energy Minister Panayiotis Lafazanis (photo) and Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias as regards the country’s energy policy, with the latter declaring that the government is fully in line with European policy in spite of a recent Russian gas deal that has ruffled feathers in Brussels.
The memorandum signed by Lafazanis and Russian officials in Saint Petersburg earlier this week foresees that third parties could be permitted to reserve the full capacity of the pipeline, something that runs counter to EU competition laws.
In comments Monday, Kotzias remarked that Greek energy agreements cannot include terms and conditions that “go beyond the legal framework and agreements of the [European] Union.”
A memorandum of understanding co-signed by Lafazanis last Friday foresees the continuation of the Turkish Stream pipeline which has yet to be built but, according to plans by Gazprom, would carry natural gas from the Black Sea to Western Europe.
According to the initial agreement signed by Lafazanis and his Russian counterpart Alexander Novak, Russia’s VEB development bank will own 50 percent of the 2-billion-euro route and provide all financing, while Greece will own the rest.
Incidentally, as Russian Vzlgiad reported today, an Italian Saipem pipeline driller has just commenced operations as part of digging the Turkish Stream which will cross Greece, now that the Bulgarian passage of the Southern Stream has been put on permanent hiatus.
Clearly, as part of all future (if not the current) Greek bailouts, Europe will prohibit any Russian pipelines crossing Greece and entering Europe in expectations that the Syrian operation will finally succeed and the Qatar gas pipeline will supplant Gazprom as Europe's primary provider of offshore energy.
So as Tsirpras scrambles to explain to his fellow countrymen why he did what he did, very soon he will have a much more difficult explanation: either telling Putin that Greece can no longer permit the Turkish Stream (and with it lose billions in direct energy investment with no Troika repayment strings attached), or tell the Troika that Greece is actually more independent than assumed by Belgium, which in turn would force even tougher bailout terms on the Athens government and the usual threats of cutting of Greek bank liquidity overnight if Greece deviates from Europe's anti-Russia course.
In both cases more drama is assured.
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Not to worry, Nuland and the neocons will tell you exactly how.
Serfs have no freedoms
I was going to say that Jon Corzine comingle some of Putins billions. So he might end up Okay. Then you bring the dark queen into the conversation.
...Greece, the next Switzerland.
sarc off
This guy is the Greek version of Obama
EXACTLY. And now comes the Greek version of Ron Paul (and there will be no "unpivot") -
Tsipras kills Syriza & Yesterday WAS the turning pointZH is is simple as this. Tsipras bowed to the ECB/IMF to get the temporary money flowing. He is going to dump it onto the Greek parliment who will quickly reject the deal (to Tsipras' request) as a statement saying "Greece does not want your bailout". Default will hit in July with a Grexit. It will strength Syriza and the pivot towards Russia will not be in jeopardy.
He hasn't gotten the cash yet. Sorry brosef.
The banks opened on Monday, I think that's what they were going for.
Looks like you haven't done your math. If we would actually "pivot" to Vladimir, he'd go bankrupt in 2-3 years. He knows better than this.
Hahah sh.eep!
Looking back on all this Cristina Kirchner had more political will than Tsipras, when she took on vulture funds and told them to go pound sand. Note, Russians have a long memory on betrayal.
I can smell collusion in the east to try and dissolve the power of the British Elite & the hegemony of the banking cartel, we'll soon see where this goes, if anywhere...
"Russia will provide financing"?! Not really, Tyler -- the agreement carefully states "will assist Greece in obtaining financing", i.e. introduce them to a couple of banks that might do the deal. Western ones I'll bet. Hell, Corzine could have taught you as much.
Maybe the Russians are trolling Greek "creative ambiguity" as copyrighted by a certain narcissist poof whose name escapes me.
Fool's gold. Tsarist, at that.
Nuland will save the day.
Nuland selling popcorn at the donkey theater.
[and checking pay phones for loose change]
maybe tsipras thinks he can have his cake and eat it too. follow through with his energy deal w russia while making deals w troika. maybe he thinks one will pay for the other.
Perhaps this little fact is telegraphing the planned punch to Brussels' face that a deal was not made in the first place?
Fuck the EU.
The people here supporting Germany, the EU, the Troika, and even Greece are STATEISTS. They believe in Big Government and SOCIALISM. They are the swine which will be eliminated in the cleansing.
No, they are believers in CORPORITISM.
In Corporitism only the Corporations get all the benefits. In Socialism, the whole country, i.e. the people get the benefits. Examples of Socialism: Norway, Sweden, Denmark, etc. Examples of Corporitism: USA, Japan, France, UK, Italy, the whole so called Westenr World.
It's Time for you to to go back to 1st grade and relearn your definitions.
I believe this is exactly what is happening. It was probably Putin's idea.
It's not a problem. Greece keeps talking to Russia, lets them build the pipeline, brings in a lot of Russian tourists to mingle with the Germans - and see how things shake out.
Grexit when the E.U. tells Greece they have to kick the Russians out.
Vodka and Ouzo go well together.
Throw those opportunistic lying deadbeats out of the €uro and the EU!
You mean "throw Dieselboom, Dr. Strangelove, Ungela Murkel and all them other opportunistic lying deadbeats out of the €uro and the EU?" Fine with me!
Europe can't prohibit Turkish Stream, Greece is a sovereign country. Tsipras could man up and tell the damned Troika to stick it - let's see how they'll cave in, when their bosses tell 'em that any form of "credit event" is not allowed to happen ...
Well, sovereignty of nations has become a somewhat quaint anachronism if you think about it. Forward!
"when their bosses tell 'em that any form of 'credit event' is not allowed to happen"
Exactly. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that we just saw BOTH sides cave at the same time. WTF? The daily ELA was flowing before the Greek proposal/sellout was submitted. Apparently both sides are bluffing when they appear to risk any sort of "credit event".
they made thre Bulgarians give up on South Stream a sure business that was going to bring much needed money to Bularia, the poorest country in EU. Im Bulgarian and I know. Sorry, you are SO wrong.
Obviously, PutinStein is a part of the ZOG, no? Good cop, bad cop roped em in, and now the Greek Gov't is back with the herd.
I hope the Greeks tear Syzria limb by limb. No sarc
You just sell the rights to the pipeline to Brussels. Problems solved. ...
No doubt this Tsipras cut-out is Bi-polar.
Nah, that ain't just bi-polar disorder, it's full blown schizophrenia!
Tsipras is like the guy that's been wanting to break up with his girlfriend for ages, but just hasn't got the balls to tell her.
I tell you what Tsipras, just send the EU (or Putin) a text message, something along the lines of
'It's not you, it's me...I'm just not ready for this big of a commitment in my life, sorry :)'
That should do it......pussy!
As the U.S. State Department has shown, twitter diplomacy is perfectly acceptable in the 21st century.
Ha. Yeh, even better, just post it up on his Facebook page, along with his ten favourite Taylor Swift songs in order.
It seems as if everybody here wants Tsipras to have dictatorial powers.
Contrary to that there is actually a REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT over in Greece.
I mean that it is not like the USA where we have the most Extreme Commander, the Decider in Charge, the Most Wise Leader who has ever lived, our Glorioius Messiah and Savior, Supreme and Incapable of any Human Folly or Fault, Barack Obama, making these types of decisions.
Without that there is no cohesiveness in Power, and divisions which make us appear weak.
STRENGTH THROUGH UNITY. ONE MIND FOR ALL WITH ONE PURPOSE...TO SERVE.
Yeah. They need a Dictator over in Greece like we have in the USA. Then everything will work out.
In that case, he should just say "It's not You. It's ME"
One thing I'm sure of, there's been enough drama from the Greeks. Quite frankly I think ebola was more interesting than this ridiculous Greek tragedy.
Or, take the 100 Billion Euro and RUN! BRILLIANT!
AAAAAANNNNND queue the war.
By the time the pipeline is completed and the gas is ready for sale, Greece will no longer be in the EU, so there is no conflict in the contract's terms.
Tsipras is only a Trojan Horse. If someone pushes his own belly, Troika'll get out! Eh Eh Eh
It's hard to say, because we lack insider intel.
But the thought had crossed my mind also... that he's selling himself to the Troika as a TJ, to get deeper insight on Russian intent, and to get them to invest time and money on a new pipeline that the EUSSA will then block.
In which case, the strategy would be to keep frustrating Russian attempts and resources in its part of the Silk Road. It's an entirely plausible and rational strategy, although we lack intel to be sure.
But you can bet your ass(ets) that both sides (CIA/NSA and FSB) are doing their damndest to spy on, bug and wiretap Tsipras's daily life. If I were Tsipras, I would not hold any meaningful conversations, or make compromising comments, while there are any electronic devices nearby.
Any way you slice it, these Greeks are some world class pussies
Hey Billy – where ya from?
Lake Meade !
What a fucking mess...
It's breathtaking to what extent that Tsipras is just a complete sniveling idiot. They now have no chance whatsoever of staying in power, no chance of reviving the economy and no chance of getting Greece out of this mess. Brilliant!
He hit the trifecta and you're calling him an idiot?
Obama has stayed in power...so has the dems and now the GOProgs. Lies abound, and they're elected and reelected. Greek governance is no more corrupt than in Merika, it's just that the vapors of free enterprise gives Amerika socialists a little longer to claim number one status.
How will this new bail out ever be paid for? How will it kickstart their economy and make life better for the common man? How does this deal position him or his sucessor for a better deal?
uhmmm, the bailout is not for Greece, it's for the banks who own Greek debt. same as last time.
Like the West was ever going to let Greece go. No getting out from under their thumb.
A referendum is the only way to democratically resolve this. The government should present the case for and against obeying the Troika, for and against default and departure, and should encourage opposition parties to do the same. This should take about 2 weeks. Then, the Greeks themselves should vote either for the Troika and Euro or for default and the drachma.
First Dolezal .... now this .... Latin Lover will be on the rag today .... with her little cadre of communist up voters ! LOL
In Soviet Greece, Russia pivots you
Just tell them you're a bankrupt lacky sellout and a lapdog to the EU, NATO and the USA.
They will understand, they have one on their border called Ukraine
Russia is a Banana Republic without the bananas .... it is my observation .... that socialists eat more bananas than capitalists .... easy to prepare monkey food, no refrigerator necessary, portability for homeless drifters .... so, the cruel, inhumane banana trade .... is financed by poor people .... yes, the poor fucking the poor .... love it !
And the US isn't?
We are Dole, United Fruit, Chiquita Banana, Nicauraguan Banana Ministry .... we sell them the whips to lash the workers backs !
The spoiled children .... of our US overseers .... like to play practical jokes on the dumb Nicauraguan workers .... they hide poisonous snakes .... in the banana bunches .... hey, Mr. Tally man .... tally me banana ?
And now the Santanista himself is raping the land and people for another canal. You can't make this stuff up.
Good .... my contribution .... of Capitalist efficiency .... each canal should be one way ?
Yes indeedy, Mr. McGreedy!
Bananas .... when they're green .... ya fry ém .... when they're ripe .... ya eat ém .... when they're rotten .... ya make banana bread ! I love resourceful people !
Tally for Monetas
chortling as I type.
Go on, deriding Putin. It just shows how little understanding you have of statesmanship.
As a matter of fact, the Obama administration (and its European sock-puppets) don't even reach the level of Putin's ankles.
If a third world war (on which the US seems hell-bent to provoke) can still be avoided, it will be largely thanks to Putin's statesmanship!
Pray tell fanboi, was Putin's stool analysed today to forsee us our future. Please don't confuse statesmanship with dictatorship. In any event, I will be praying to his growing arsenal of nuclear warheads to bring us all peace and prosperity - just like in mother Russia. ALL HAIL THE GLORIOUS PUTIN. lulz. this place is too funny.
ALL HAIL THE GLORIOUS PUTIN.
It is no different then giving homage on our knees, and suckling upon the engorged penis of the most Extreme Commander, the Decider in Charge, the Most Wise Leader who has ever lived, our Glorioius Messiah and Savior, Supreme and Incapable of any Human Folly or Fault, Barack Obama.
Really...What do you expect from the STATEISTS? (INCLUDE YOURSELF).
PutinStein isn't a Statist? R U kidding me?
You just got used to twats, puppets and poodles like Obama, Cameron, Hollande and all the rest of the douchebags parading around that you forgot what a real leader looks like - instead we are treated to actors with no real popular support or will of their own. Sellouts flooding their countries with unwanted immigrants and then pandering to them, in the face of high opposition.
Dictatorship, growing nuclear weapons arsenal these NPR crying-talking points discount the fact USSA has been surrounding Russia for years and just upped the ante in the Ukraine. Hard to believe the Russian leadership wants to defend their country and people, isn't it? No, the country that is constantly at war with smaller, non-threatening nations is the victim, always on the defensive. Poor put upon AmeriKans all they want is peace.
"it is my observation "
...with your head up your *ss
Banana Republic = A small, despotic country with only one inconsequential export.
Let's look at that piece by piece shall we;
1) Small - I thought Russia was the biggest country in the world?
2) Despot - A ruler who doesn't care about the welfare of his people, I think the Russian people would disagree with you on this.
3) Inconsequential export - Oil, Gas, Arms, Technology...seem pretty consequential to me.
Nope. You're spouting shit again Monetas.
Russia is a Banana Republic .... in comparison to where it should be .... it has it all .... except freedom .... I would rather live in the highlands of Guatemala !
"I would rather live in the highlands of Guatemala !"
Get in touch...I'll book you a flight.
Monetas
"So long It's been good to know you.
So long It's been good to know you"
"So long it's been good to know you.
(watch out for malaria.)
Banana Republic = A small, despotic country with only one inconsequential export.
Let's look at that piece by piece shall we;
1) Small - I thought Russia was the biggest country in the world?
2) Despot - A ruler who doesn't care about the welfare of his people, I think the Russian people would disagree with you on this.
3) Inconsequential export - Oil, Gas, Arms, Technology...seem pretty consequential to me.
Nope. You're spouting shit again Monetas.
Russia is a Banana Republic .... in comparison to where it should be .... it has it all .... less freedom !
it has it all .... less freedom !
Are you writing about the USA...again?
Mate, you wanna see a banana republic, go check out Indio, California, which provides the labororers and maids for the Palm Springs Golf Club Your Holiness Obam was just visiting. That's a fucking 3rd world banana republic. "Hey, 9 people got shot, guns are bad, we need to ban them, I'm too the last place in America that has slave labor to golf instead off being a statesman'
America has the tinpot despot. get your fact set straight.
You must remember China ( port wise & t'other) is in on this deal also and so it's a full pivot east and not just to Russia. China will be aware of the moves and although they sit seemingly quiet they must be exerting some influence.
Come on China throw a bigger spanner into the works and encourage Greece and any other doubting Thomas's in the E.oooH an offer they shouldn't refuse.
I hope I'm wrong but it looks like Tsipras is going to live the rest of his life shackled to th EU, POOR SOD.
The only way out is to tell them to fuck off, get on with it.
I heard Putin had a visit from a Mohel. Bwaaaaaaaaaaa! Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Look at the above pic...I can almost see a Kipah on his head. PutinStein for now on ;)
try not to be an ass all the time.
You don't find it the least bit ?coincidental? that Putin and Greece signing their agreement and the Greek 'crisis' is now apparently resolved with the EU?
Sometimes you just have to wonder what decade people think they live in. The 1960's, 1970's perhaps. Today the USSA and the EU are socialist states. All of these references to Russia as socialist and communist are just totally ignorant.
What is Russia, Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations?"
Intirely true, this unpivot problem.
Then again imagine the geopolitical implications of Greece declaring bankrupcy, leaving the Euro (and maybe also the EU and NATO) and turning to Russia...
While the US has been very busy to steal the Ukraine from the Russian sphere of influence (which, so far, doesn't seem to have worked out as well as they must have wished for), the West would loose Greece instead!
The West would likely consider that to be little less than a declaration of war: all hell would break loose! In spite of the tempting outlook of driving a wedge between the EU and Greece, I wonder if Putin would have the apetite to escalate geopolitical tensions even more, on top of the Ukraine conflict.
Syriza and the TEA PARTY have plenty in common.
Both are toothless, useless, and full of hot air and empty promises.
GOP, not the TP.
Same with any Political Party including the Democrats, Socialists, Communists, Fascists, et al.
If you place your faith in ANY GOVERNMENT then you are certain to be disappointed, STATEIST.
You are just another fucking SOCIALIST posing that you support Freedom and Liberty...which you do not.
That is an awfully conclusionary statement about my values. I'm a Socialist? That kinda of hurts, even worse than calling me a Zionist/Jew/Talmudic whatever. I'm sure I've done more to fight said ism than just about anyone posting.
Party controlled gov't is at the root of the problem called Statism.
Why would you make such a declarative about me? I am sincerely curious.
A hunter who chases two rabbits catches neither
Elmer Fudd stwuggled with one.
Putin never started the Ukraine conflict. It is our (US) involvement in the violent undemocratic overthrow of a soverign nation. Then our placing the blame for the consequences of this action upon Russia and Putin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&x-yt-ts=1422503916...
http://rt.com/news/nuland-phone-chat-ukraine-927/
the greeks are nuts. they think by being in the eu union they are part of a civilized europe?? now they can go back the their glory days of sitting and thinking
"Greece now has another problem: how to unpivot the aggressive pivot toward Russia"
why is this a problem?
maybe in a naive black and white world.
problem is the world is not black and white.
oh and the GR deal is done???
No need to pivot; they're all playing their roles....most of all PutinStein. ;)
Simple logic says that Greece cannot accept the EU terms and cannot turn down the Russian pipeline deal. One can take only so much Goldman Sachs before they come to their senses.
It is unfathomable to imagine Tsipras would have told Putin that he intended to leave Euro. So Putin nust be fully aware of the possible outcome. Nothing to blame.
Europe is holding Tsipras' left and Vlad his right ball. They both squeeze, stronger and stronger as time goes on, just not equally strong at the same time, and neither has plans to let go... If Tsipras does not want to become a full-fledged eunuch he must sacrifice one of his balls... Left or right... we'll find out in the weeks and months ahead.
Greece would be a whole lot better putting their eggs in the Ruskie basket than dealing with the schizoids they're having to put up with now. 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other I guess.
If Russia ever took over the world .... the first thing they would do .... is kill all the kiss ass Russianophiles and Putin boot lickers .... they don't like difficult people ! LOL
Kinda like the Bolsheveks killing off the Mensheveks? and the Revolutionary Socialists?
Put more simply.
The Khazars killing off the Russians.
Who could tell the difference? There were "Khazars" among the Mensheveks and Revolutionary Socialists.
There weren't?
The estimated 70,000,000 Russians who died under the Khazar Soviet regime could.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn could.
If memory serves, Solzhenitsyn references Jews being rounded up just because. And was Stalin a Jew? I'll research all the principle members of the Party and their pedigree. I'll submit that the overwhelming pedigree are non jews, especially after the mid 1920's. Simple minded intellects does get millions killed.
Stalin was a Georgian - not a Russian.
Khrushchev was a Ukrainian - not a Russian.
Do a bit of research.
The Russians suffered 70 years under the Khazars and their puppets.
Did I reference his nationality?
Whatever way it turns out, could these arseholes make their chosen profession look more scum ridden?
They conduct themselves as though they are all, from both sides, masters of politics and geopolitical craft. But all it looks like here in the real world is that they are useless, worthless cunts who couldn't spell morals or ethics, let alone have any.
Karma bitches. If something cannot continue forever, then it wont.
So Tsipras wants his cake and eat it.
I am sure Mr Putin will remember the well known saying.
Beware Greeks bearing gifts.
I wonder which Swiss bank and how much was involved - in this little betrayal.
Every man has his price they say.
"Every man has his price they say"
What's yours ?
Rothchild haasn't got enough.
And I am a woman.
The only way this works out for Tsipras is unless he told Putin that he was going to headfake the EU and let the Kremlin have advance working with the full intent to reneg on the EU next month.
But something tells me Tsipras got wet feet with the EU and pussed out.
Wet feet?
More like wet pants.
The world is run by teenage girls. "Now I"m friends with Europe, so I'm not friends with Russia anymore."
Have you tried having 2 friends? Durrrrrrrr.
Pat Buchanan- Good Read
http://buchanan.org/blog/nato-russia-collision-ahead-16176
Simply Greeces turn as pivot man is this circle jerk world. Who's Next?
"Belgium will make it very clear that any overtures to Putin are to be "cease and deceased" (sic) immediately"
I am living in Belgium, and I never heard this kind of remarks from someone of the Belgian Governement. But, I am aware that kind of blackmail will appear. Better, I bet Tsipras use it as pressure against the troika..
EU, not Belgium gov't.
I bet Agencies under the same Govt use that kind of blackmail or pressure or threat against each other every month of the year.
Hell I bet different parts of the Catholic church use those threats against each other.
- This is the Nature of Power
If your Office or Agency doesn't fight to keep power and expand it's responsibilities and status... then your agency is probably losing power. The boss will be replaced.
I'm not advocating it. But this is why Putin can't back down from Ukraine or in the face of EU/NATO/US Sanctions. He would get replaced.
I agree, even most dictatorships have constituencies, and they, absent a Stalin and in the earlier years Hitler, must be mindful of those constituencies.
Can't you just see Vlad belting out a few verses 'If I were a rich man,' from Fiddler on the Roof?
It is No coincidence that President Putin inked an agreement w/ Greece and almost immediately the EU-Greek crisis is seemingly resolved.
Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact 2.0Yeah, I have to put that on my list.
Anytime a Nation or State or Vassal is dependent on outside funding they loss freedom, liberty, and people can't control they state any more. It is corruption.
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-- State Democracies end when dependent on TBTF Banks or Presidential Funding --
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Like US States depend on many streams of funding from the Federal Govt.
The Democratic processes work in the State up to that point where they go against Presidential or Federal Policy.
And here I was thinking that the States at least were still democratic.
It's obvious the Eurocrats want regime change in Greece. That's why they're dangling Mr. Tsipras on a string. As the Sacrificial Lamb Mr. Tsipras apparently can't see that the best way forward for (both him and) his country is Grexit.
The Eurocrats (Washington) want regime change where ever their gonads are not being licked by the elected officials. Greece is just the "Regime Change of the Moment."
Macedonia, Montenegro, Sudan, Venezuela, et cetera are all on that list.
Wasn't there a movie called "Playing For Time" about a pianist in a concentration camp who just kept playing the piano until the Russians liberated the camp.
Sumpthin like that.
God, the Greeks are a dumb nation. I like Greek food though.
Try Greek sex. It's kickass.
Are you thinking man boy sex.
Or are you saying their woman do the dirty deed too?
oops I might be thinking of Rome.
Boys are too young for sex. They're at the age when they should be practicing touching themselves at least a couple of hours a day.
It's a skill that never disappoints.
As far as women doing the "Spartan Hokey Pokey, well, YEAH.
It beats carrying a pot roast around in your belly for 9 months.
How would you like to have to do that?
Plus the world is overpopulated. Greek sex is guaranteed not put any more pressure on our resources.
You should think about giving it a try. :o)
"Belgium will make it very clear that any overtures to Putin are to be "cease and deceased" (sic) immediately."
Wait What?
- all of Europe gets it's winter heating Gas from Russia.
really ? look up what percentage of the gas supply to Belgium is Russian. Last time I checked it was about 5 percent if I remember correctly. Yes, the Dutch are reducing production, but I heard we have a terminal for LNG at the port of Zeebrugge. Might give us options, I hope.
http://www.fluxys.com/belgium/en/About%20Fluxys/Infrastructure/LNGTerminal/LNGTerminal
Thanks for the link and more detail. I was wondering.
If they need 5% then that counts are part of all of Europe, but doesn't indicate Dependence by a long shot. 5% would help competition to keep prices down.
How were prices last Winter? Mine went up a little again I think.
1) In march 2005 (!) : Yamal Trade (Yamal LNG’s 100% subsidiary) and Fluxys LNG signed a 20-year contract for transshipment of up to 8 million tons of LNG per year at the port of Zeebrugge, Belgium, to support year-round LNG deliveries from the Yamal Peninsula in Russia to Asian-Pacific markets.
2) Belgium is a crossroad of many gazéoducs (Interconnector). Gaz come from everywhere.
thanks for the info !
This "unpivot" is just another step in the dance. The deals Greece and Russia and Shell signed recently were described with weasel words like "preliminary" and "memorandum of intent." The deals can be just as effective now as they were last week. "Intent" does not mean "money changed hands" so there is lots of wiggle room. Russia can still go with its original declaration to take the pipeline to the Greece/Turkey border and leave the payment of the trans_Greece pipeline up to Europeans.
The clock is ticking, Europe. Your gas gets turned off soon. Better get started building a pipeline across Greece. Oh, by the way, Greece can't pay for it.
It is the same old argument : Russia needs to export as much, or even more, as Europe needs to import. So all that though talking sounds a bit hollow.
Moreover, 2 points :
1) is LNG not a serious option ?
2) fossil fuels do not seem to be the future. Russians better start preparing for this.
Greece will be thrown under the bus from both sides when Ukraine is settled.
Foreclosure + German + Russian bill collectors + disarmed civilians + legalized Muslim invasion + huge broke military
Highly unlikely that Russia wilever throw Greece under the bus.
Even the most casual glance at a map of the region shows
that Greece and the Aegean sea is the strategic military
gateway to the Black Sea.
Anyone remember Reagan and running the
Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod pipeline????
The US government, under the Presidency of Ronald Reagan,
was opposed to the construction of the pipeline and used
every conceivable form of diplomatic pressure and economic
sanctions to prevent its construction.
1981, in response to purported Russian involvement
in the imposition of martial law in Poland, the US government
imposed sanctions on the export of oil and gas equipment,
including pipelayers, to the USSR.
The effect of the sanctions were to make it difficult for
European companies, which depended on the supply of parts
from US company GE, to fulfil their contracts. However
as France’s Alstom-Atlantique had been granted a licence
to manufacture GE turbines prior to December 1981, J
ohn Brown, AEG-Kanis, Nuovo Pignone and Creusot-Loire
had an avenue to obtain the necessary equipment
to fulfil their obligations to supply turbines and construct
compressor stations along the pipeline.
Japanese company Komatsu was a beneficiary of the US sanctions,
accepting orders from for pipelaying tractors that had initially
been awarded to Illinois-based Caterpillar Corporation.
In July 1982, the Reagan administration extended trade sanctions
to cover all subsidiaries and licensees of US companies.
This affected over 20 European companies, who were prohibited
from exporting any equipment to the USSR that made use of
American technology or components, including those
already shipped to Europe.
....déjà vu all over again....
http://pipelinesinternational.com/news/the_urengoy_pomary_uzhgorod_pipeline_a_cold_war_pipeline/043753/
Greece will kiss EU ass until the checks clear the bank