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US, China Deploy Cold War Code In Maritime Standoff As Pentagon Warns Of Chinese Air Threat
When last we checked in on China’s man-made island outposts in the South China Sea we got a glimpse of what life is like in the Spratlys. Here’s a visual that encapsulates how the politburo is attempting to spin Beijing’s land reclamation project:
Ridiculous propaganda aside, China has acknowledged that the islands serve a military purpose and if US intelligence is to be believed (which is always a dubious proposition, but we’ll leave that aside for now), Beijing has stationed artillery on the islands although it has since been either removed or concealed. The Pentagon continues to claim that China is threatening to disrupt sea lanes through which around $5 trillion in global trade passes each year. Additionally, US regional allies — who have overlapping maritime claims on the Spratlys — have eyed China’s activities nervously, with Philippine President Benigno Aquino going so far as to liken China to pre-war Nazi Germany.
Now, with the World War 3 calls getting louder, the US and China have deployed a code reminiscent of a system used during the Cold War that will hopefully help both sides avoid a “miscalculation” as the two countries are now expected to “meet more often.” Bloomberg has more:
The U.S. expects further encounters at sea with China’s navy, according to the captain of a U.S. coastal combat ship that has patrolled the disputed South China Sea and met a Chinese ship last month.
The countries have agreed codes to help understand each other and talk via radio, said Commander Rich Jarrett, commanding officer of the USS Fort Worth. The language used is similar to that used 20 years ago with the Soviet Union, the U.S.’ former Cold War foe, he said.
The Fort Worth deployed the codes when it unexpectedly met a Chinese vessel near the disputed Spratly islands during a May patrol of the South China Sea. It was the first time a U.S. littoral combat ship operated in waters around the islands, which are claimed by countries including China, the Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia.
“I expect that we may have a similar encounter because we’re operating in this part of the world,” Jarrett said in an interview Monday on the ship moored on the Philippines’ Palawan island. “But quite honestly I’m not sure that I’m going to do anything particularly different than what I’ve done in previous deployments.”
Tensions in the South China Sea have risen with China warning planes and ships away from reefs where it is reclaiming land. A U.S. surveillance plane was repeatedly told by radio to divert from its path last month.
Meanwhile, the Pentagon says China is "rapidly closing the gap" between itself and the US in terms of air and space capabilities (which, incidentally, is just what you'd say if you wanted to campaign for increased military spending). Reuters has the story:
China is mounting a serious effort to challenge U.S. military superiority in air and space, forcing the Pentagon to seek new technologies and systems to stay ahead of its rapidly developing rival, Deputy Defense Secretary Robert Work said on Monday.
The Pentagon's chief operating officer, speaking to a group of military and civilian aerospace experts, said China was "quickly closing the technological gaps," developing radar-evading aircraft, advanced reconnaissance planes, sophisticated missiles and top-notch electronic warfare equipment.
While hoping for a constructive relationship with China, the Pentagon "cannot overlook the competitive aspects of our relationship, especially in the realm of military capabilities, an area in which China continues to improve at a very impressive rate," he said.
China's state-run news agency Xinhua late on Monday cited Xu Qiliang, a vice chairman of the powerful Central Military Commission, as saying China must innovate even more.
"Our military's equipment construction is shifting from catch-up research to independent innovations," Xu said.
Work made his remarks to the inaugural conference of the China Aerospace Studies Initiative, a partnership of the U.S. Air Force and the RAND Corporation think tank. The initiative aims to boost U.S. research on China's aerospace ambitions.
As a reminder, China stacks up quite well militarily, especially in terms of sheer size:
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Much as Washington and NATO are seemingly doing just about everything in their power to ensure that tensions continue to rise in Eastern Europe (right down to conducting war games specifically designed to replicate a Ukraine incursion), the Pentagon seems determined to view China's activities in what it says are its own territorial waters and the country's effor to modernize its armed forces as signs of aggression and with that in mind, we'll close with the following from the Deputy Secretary:
Work, citing a Harvard study on rising powers confronting established powers, told the conference that interactions between the two often result in war. As a result, the Defense Department must "hedge against this international competition turning more heated."
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As a maritime nation, China most certainly has considerable skills operating at sea.
However, none of this, including a superior number of vessels, means squat when combat operations start.
They are still trying to figure out how to conduct flight operations off a carrier.
There is no technology gap.
All of the US technology was given to China.
Some the old technology was given to or stolen by China.
Most US Citizens have been Educated that technology wins wars, incorrect. Just like torture produces actionable results, also incorrect.
The US has the largest supply line in the World. You can't mount an action in foreign waters without also protecting your entire supply line.
Oh and they will first have to replace all the supplies produced in China and Maybe Korea.
So the US is preparing to go to war with their #1 manufacturing supplier?
Good luck with that.
The US couldn't even beat Iraq. What could the US possibly achieve by getting tangled up in a war in the South China Sea?
There is no way on earth the US can project enough power across the Pacific Ocean to control the home waters of a nascent super power of 1.2 billion people.
Honestly, I think TPTB in the US are on a suicide mission (for the country, not themselves since they will hide out in some paradise) so that they don't have to pay for their domestic socioeconomic crimes.
You're not the only one
http://journal-neo.org/2015/06/22/has-washington-gone-looney-tunes/
It's the South CHINA Sea, not the South USA Sea.
China is a domesticated socioeconomic crime.
USSA Global Exceptionalism.
Hell...yes.
It is all a smoke screen to distract Amerikan sheep for being sold out by CON-gress yet again. It is a daily event.
Aye, Matey !! And, QUICK, look over THERE, too !!
Correction to OM's figure: China has 1.4 billion people for that 200 million people left out alone will count as the 6th most populous nation, while the USA has 325 million.
http://www.geohive.com/earth/population_now.aspx
Fact-fudging is as American as an apple pie. Don't like what the facts are? Make up the new ones...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) was a major war game exercise conducted by the United States armed forces in mid-2002.
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Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.[1]
At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue's ships were "re-floated", and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?"[2] After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action.
After the war game was restarted, its participants were forced to follow a script drafted to ensure a Blue Force victory. Among other rules imposed by this script, Red Force was ordered to turn on their anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and was not allowed to shoot down any of the aircraft bringing Blue Force troops ashore.
Some the old technology was given to or stolen by China.
You mean stuff like a compass and navigation charts?
Distance from San Diego to South China Sea - 6,000 miles
Distance from China to South China Sea - 0 miles
Outcome - Bad, agressive China. Good pacifist USSA.
I am waiting to see the USSA response when China conducts freedom of navigation patrols 12 miles off the USSA west coast.
And all of this talk of the USSA needing to secure sea lines of communication and permit free passage of cargo traffic in the South China Sea? USSA needs to take a look. 95% of that traffic is represented by Chinese cargo exports to USSA, AU, and EU coupled with inbound raw materials from USSA, AU, and EU.
Sold out the back door by the owners.
"Backdoor" = those "Stockpiles" we dropped around the world into the hands of our "Most Favored Nation(s)"
At least the owners are generous to their sock puppets.
Fortunately or not, no code is necessary for most common transmission.
US: Fuck you.
China: Fucky you lite back.
China is FAR from a maritime nation....their Navy, up until 10 years ago was a brown water coastal defense force....their miltiary extention has occurred over the past 10 years when it dawned on them that they are massively expoused on critical raw materials and had no ability to protect the sealanes in which they are delivered. The only significant efforts of force projection to date beyond 4000 miles has been Africa (both Army and Navy)...
I would argue that they do not have signficant skills operating in the blue water and have suffered a number of embarrassing system failures on vessels making goodwill ports of call. Most recently a complete Nav failure of a crusier transiting the Dardenelles.... The US Navy had to lead them thru until they were able to repair the problem. It took 2 days...
Yeah, like that missile that got away from them in LA Harbor, and that poor lost sub that popped up in our war games to ask directions.
Well, at least the missile went home to its target, and the sub left as quietly as it arrived (apart from the panic they both left behind).
Take a look at a map.
Approximatey 1/3rd of their national landmass is bordered by saltwater.
Yes, China is a maritime nation.
Not so sure about that, dear Terracotta brother... I would wager the Chinese are quite cognizant of their aircraft carrier deficiency vs. time calculation vis-a-vis war with the U.S. Money better spent for them is in the DF-21 related field. After all, why spend ¥Billions and wait years when you can perfect what already presents a formidable - and quite deadly, threat? What would it cost China to rain down 200 or so DF-21 or similar class weapon on a carrier strike force, as opposed to going at it head-to-head with their own navy?
Consuelo,
Perhaps I should have been more detailed in my comment.
China certainly has superior numbers, but what they lack is the experience of actual battle.
They are rapidly increasing their ability to project power, but the skill in effectively employing that power is a different matter entirely.
Straegy and tactics remain dominant factors, as does overall management of the battlespace.
Western military forces, while smaller in number, still hold a distinct advantage because of operational experience
It took a lot of trial and error to develop steam catapults for carriers.
The USN then "borrowed" them from the Royal Navy, along later with angled flight decks, landing
light systems.
You might wan't to check out who did the pioneering work.
My father told me they swept off the kamikazis from the flight deck on the RN carriers
after an attack in the Pacific.He was there,so I believe him.
Armored decks vs. wooden for the USN carriers then, who didn't fare so well.
Much as I love carriers, they are just so much dead meat today.A big fat target.
if the Chinese are building one, its to find their operational weaknesses, not to run flight ops.
Yes, development of steam catapults did take significant effort, as is currently being undertaken with the new
Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS)
https://youtu.be/5QHpES57Twg
Carriers may be a large floating target, but there really is no other option at the present time through which
significant military power can be projected around the world. Their vulnerability is dramatically reduced by
remaining well outside of combat area as well as through the capabilities of the other warships in the strike group,
including at least one guided missile cruiser (for air aefense), 3-4 add'l warships for surface and subsurface warfare
as well as submarines.
The Chinese currently have multiple carriers under construction. They were supposed to have completed construction
of at least two this year. The Chinese themselves have stated they are to be assigned to the People's Liberation Army
Navy south sea fleet, tasked with patrolling the South China Sea.
"The Chinese currently have multiple carriers under constuction."
can you support / prove your assertion with evidence?
Russia upgrades in the Arctic
http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-military-deploy-bastion-anti-ship-missile...
Many ZH'ers don't or won't draw that correlation.
Who owns the Pentagon debt? Captain Sum Ting Wong.
Bill Clinton sold off intellectual property rights to China.
typicalpropaganda rag . Look at South China sea first viets hold more number of island followed by malaysians and filipinos . China holds only 5 and Taiwan 1 . Just because China is rising as a superpowerboth rconomically and militarily its pissing ussa retards in dc . They know viets and ithers dont pose any challenge to usa military but China does . Thats why they keep beating the gun boat diplomacy from russia to china . If it pisses wasjington circle jerks then keep on doing it china .
How does China pose a military threat to USA military in the South China Sea? Did it use to be, what, the South Texas Sea or something?!
Ship those thin cuties over my way....take the fat ones please. FAR away.
Catching up to us in space technology? Well who could of thought that playing the circle-jerk game with NASA since the 70's could possibly have that effect?
Protip: Which one of the two countries currently has the capability to send astronauts into space? Which one has an active lunar program?
While we still have some edge in some ways, the simple fact that they have launch capability and have goals that they are trying to get better at while we jerk off into a corner means they have surpassed us.
If they remade the Armageddon movie, it would have to be made regarding spacecraft launched from China or Russia, because we sure in the hell couldn't do it.
NASA is more concerned with depopulating the planet via their British Empire Green Fascism propaganda then actually trying to do anything in space. Like the Pope should keep focusing on Christianity, NASA should focus on Space. Two huge institutions forgetting about what they are, and joining the empire. Darth Vader is proud.
NASA and Amerika are joke. Just endless constant corruption and theft. BTW - no human ever went past the Van Allen Belt. It is 400 to 25,000 miles wide.
NASA astronauts screwed up stating the effects of 400 mile high orbits where they started feeling the effects. Most orbits stay under 300 miles for safety reasons.
The U.S. Landed men on the moon in 1969....
And there is a tooth fairy.
Quick, Look over THERE !! Pay no attention to US Aggression in the South China Sea, ... wherever that is, ... next to Cuba, right? No?? Next to Panama, then, for sure! Be afraid, be very afraid. No, wait. I meant, Be Proud, be Very Proud! Yeah! Invest.
Not only landed them, but brought them back alive.
in a studio.
I guess you never watched OJ Simpson's docuDrama; Capricorn One ;)
yeah? in your dreams and NASA's poorly made movies.
the US can't land a monkey on the moon and return it safely to earth in 2019, much less 1969.
in fact I'll wager that the US won't be able to land men on the moon and return them safely to earth by 2039.
And don't forget ChemTrails...;0
The US for decades have been supplying the Chinese with High tech equipment , selling them military equipment in the 70s, allows hundreds of thousands into the country to steal technology and now they say they are worried. If not for that and Russia selling them stuff they would still be 20 years behind but they needed a new boogeyman and they got one.
Now they're 30 years behind.
Delusional / Hallucinatory propaganda.
Put the crack pipe down for a few minutes, will ya.
The ZWO psychos running the USA think a hot war with Russia and China would further their interests of a global plebdom ruled by their puppet despots.
They're probably right about that too.
It's always worked before. Past performance, and all that.
Yeah, I would be surprised too if I saw a Chinese ship in a South CHINA Sea....
Loral Space/gyroscopes/Bernie S./Clinton/Lincoln bedroom/John Huang/Johnny Chung/New Mexico laptops/Wen Ho Lee, etc. 20 years ago already.
Nukes are now obsolete.
ZERO -- the number of nuclear power countries that the USSA has invaded in the past 70 years.
Cyber warfare has the potential to wrought a higher death toll than a 100 city nuclear strike upon the US. And it doesn't take a world power to employ.
Ah, the good ole days.
Wen Ho Lee - a Taiwanese American scientist who was framed and persecuted by the US Dept of InJustice for something he had never done, as well as things that everyone at his lab had done.
there will be no war with China. it's all smoke and mirror to show those TPP vassals that Washington talks tough and it can lick its own ball sack to show its former toughness which is long gone in reality. and all vassals from Europe to Asia need to buy moar advanced weaponry from MIC which can't even work 80% of time. China is not that retarded to be goaded into a war with its neighbors before the two roads project are done. By by Washington Consensus. Let me borrow Reagan, it's dusk in America.
Watch when the peanut labor force under TPP doesn't purchase goods and services. Rather, they save earned income money. I won't buy unnecessary goods, let the fucker's starve. I'll make a fortune on put options.
Israel in the occupied territories is ok, but China building some islands in the middle of the South China Sea is "destabilizing" ....yeah ok.
Suggest that you elaborate. Some ZH don't understand the geopolitics strategy. Good job in pointing out. We both know. Give it a shot. Growing tired of repeating myself.
I know, when you're talking about "territories" the size of Dallas and Tarrant Counties Texas, it's easy to be incensed.
I think it's mostly talk by hot headed politicans on both sides. Few in China want war; why would they want war when they are prospering faster upwardly then ever before due mainly to USA handing them jobs, importing most of their goods, laundering their money and so on.
It's all jaw boning for show imo. Only the poor and/or uneducated and/or seriously brainwashed in either nation believe this aggressive talk.
Good attempt. Incorrect unfortunately. Ask yourself, 18T in debt. Who is keeping the system afloat by repurchasing debt loan obligations to kick the can down the road?
Pay NO ATTENTION to the national disaster currently unfolding!
To ARMS, to ARMS, our nation is in DANGER in the South China Sea !!!
To ARMS, to ARMS, global thermonuclear war has begun tomorrow. We must fight China NOW.
That's part of the desired result for the government propaganda.
Fuck Israel.... maybe china will use it to "test out some new hardware".... wishful thinking
We're just going to have to borrow another mind-boggling amount of money from the Chinese again next budget cycle so we can continue to provide inconceivable sums to the Pentagon to protect our National Security Interests from the diabolical Chinese.
There's no other way . . .
hot dog
But this time DON'T take evasive action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMPSUF4d4pg
We must not allow an artificial island gap!
I suggest everyone watch re watch 'The Warwick Incident' to get a feel of how Amerikanski is pushing China into confrontation
We may get to see the real version, in all its glorious techibloody colour on our screens just before the screens melt !.
Fuck these cunts !. I'm heading for 'Hillbilly country wrapped in a Confederate flag
The 'Bedford Incident' never could get my British counties correct !!.
China is mounting a serious effort to challenge U.S. military superiority in air and space, forcing the Pentagon to seek new technologies and systems to stay ahead of its rapidly developing rival, Deputy Defense Secretary Robert Work said on Monday.
Go long defense industry stocks. I can't see how we avoid trillions in additional spending for decades to come.
I just saw this posted. Probably means they have had a secret Space War center already for 5-10 years.
Pentagon Rushing to Open Space-War Center To Counter China, Russia...
http://www.defenseone.com/management/2015/06/pentagon-preparing-war-spac...
Another story from:
More nuks are needed
http://www.defenseone.com/management/2015/06/report-us-needs-new-small-n...
tooth
this might only mean that the Pentagon realizes how under armed it is without a space station like the Chinese have in 'Tiangong'.
And if the Russians dismantle the ISS and take their parts with them, how much make up ball the West will have to play just to get back to where they were before the sanctions started
It may also mean that while the US and Russia were the lead partners in ISS, Russia and China were partners in Tiangong. Russia being the silent partner.
I have bad news for my fellow US citizens: War with China will interrupt your regularly scheduled tv programming.
"But I need to get to work so I can pay my credit card bills!"
LMAO fun times ahead. Wait till the iphones stop working wanna talk about mass hysteria.
If this is really gona happen, funny how the US keeps pushing along with regular business like the TPP. Its as if China etc are just distractions.
And if something does breakout, and they keep it contained and it doesnt go nuclear, but its a 24/7 CNN clusterfuck............i'm calling bullshit.
Slick Willy gave them the keys to state of the art nukes.... just maybe Slick Willy or someone else gave them the master keys to other toys.
meh.. USA needs to shut up and stay home
When the U.S. began targeting Russia about 1 year ago, China sort of played MIA, and only occasionally came out to carefully defend Russia.
Now China is in the crosshairs - if its leaders thought they could continue their rise and avoid a nasty confrontation by being shrinking violets, they were WRONG!
So now the U.S. has thrown down the gauntlet to both Russia and China. This is only going to pointedly accelerate their moves to make themselves independent of the dollar-centric order, and to acquire the potent means to collapse that order when the time is right.
The Day of East-West Confrontation is rushing toward us, and it is accelerating very much.
Isn't that the goal of the NWO?
That pic of the Girls of the PLA is still pretty hot. Come on Playboy!
What playboy?
The American personnel on US bases are the playboys,
they play with the local gurls, pay them , so rather they are the payboys haha
and they actively contribute to make humans better , for the next generations there look more like stout euroPeons.
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Nations should be ashamed of hosting American military bases, these are only representations of neo-colonism.
I don't know whether or how often US military boys pay local girls.
I do know that they rape them.
The article is essentially US government propaganda - China is evil because they won't accept US imperialism ... therefore we should spend more on the military even though the government is already bankrupt.
North Korea should develop nuclear submarines with nuclear missiles.
Only a small David(N.Korea) can challenge Satan America (the Goliath).
Somebody help pleaseeeeeeeeeeee.
What does the U.S. hope to achieve with this war? Total control over central banks?
No, just total control of the world.