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Guest Post: America's Obamacare Nightmare Is Just Beginning
Submitted by Robert E Moffit via TheNationalInterest.org,
This week the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the federal government could continue to subsidize health-insurance coverage through Healthcare.gov, the federal exchanges. An ecstatic President Obama declared that Obamacare is “here to stay.”
No, it’s not.
A judicial victory doesn’t automatically translate into a political victory, let alone a policy success. Once they’ve quaffed their celebratory champagne, the president and White House staff will need to suit up and get ready to play some hard-nosed defense.
Here’s why. The driving force behind health reform has been the desire to control rising health-care costs. From 2008 onwards, President Obama promised that his reform agenda would reduce the annual cost for the typical American family by no less than $2,500. After a while, it became a rather tiresome talking point. But it was pure nonsense from the start.
Health-care spending increases were slowing down well before Congress enacted Obamacare. But with the onset of Obamacare, health-insurance premiums in the exchanges jumped by double digits, while deductibles increased dramatically. If you liked your doctor, you would be able to keep you doctor, the president insisted, but maybe not, in reality, depending upon whether or not your physician networks narrowed. Looking toward 2016, health insurers say premium costs will soar.
In the days, weeks and months leading up to the King v. Burwell decision, commentators obsessed over the roughly 6.4 million persons who could lose health-insurance subsidies. With the Court’s ruling, they can keep the federal subsidies. But that doesn’t come close to ending the debate.
Roughly 6.4 million persons in thirty-four states could have been negatively affected if the Court struck down the federal exchange subsidies. But there is a much wider universe of persons adversely affected by the law: the roughly 15 million persons in the individual and small group market who don’t get—and won’t get—the federal government’s health-insurance subsidies. Under Obamacare, millions of Americans are forced to pay more for their government standardized coverage, regardless of whether they like it or not, whether they want it or not, or whether or not it forces them to pay for medical procedures that violate their ethical, moral or religious convictions.
So, the debate will intensify over the primary issue: costs. In every state, the fundamental components of state health-care costs—the demographics, the underlying costs of care delivery and the competitiveness of the markets—are juiced up by expensive federal benefit mandates and individual and group insurance rules and regulations. These all drive costs skyward. As my Heritage colleagues have demonstrated, this regulatory regime forces young people to pay up to 44 percent more in premiums. Washington’s subsidies simply try to hide the true costs of the law; they don’t control them.
The law remains unworkable. The complicated insurance subsidy program itself has been a mess. H&R Block reported that about two thirds of subsidy recipients had to repay money back to the government because they got bigger than allowable subsidies. With the individual mandate, the administration has been granting lots of exemptions to insulate most of the uninsured from any penalty. That’s rather predictable; after all, even candidate Barack Obama argued that an individual mandate was unfair and unenforceable.
As for the employer mandate—another fractured cornerstone of Obamacare—the administration has delayed it for one year. Even liberal supporters now want to repeal it, fearing damage to the labor markets.
And what about those big “savings” from the Medicare payment reductions? They were earmarked to help cover the costs of the insurance subsidies. Yet the Medicare Actuary and the CBO have both routinely dismissed the massive Medicare payment cuts as either unrealistic or unsustainable.
Meanwhile, other problems mount. The state exchanges are financially troubled. Coverage is still insecure, especially when loss of employment is tantamount to a loss of a health plan. Bureaucracy, red tape and paperwork plague the system, increasing costs and frustrating doctors and patients alike. All of those problems are getting worse, not better.
This is the second time in two years that President Obama has declared the debate over Obamacare to be “over.” Here’s a better prediction: America is entering into the next phase of an equally contentious but broadly educational debate over the direction of the nation’s health-care future.
In a free society, debate is over only when the people decide it’s over.
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no worries...President Trump will fix this mess
Biggest scam ever.
You either pay the fine or sign up. So the government or insurance company get revenues.
If you sign up, in most cases, nobody (like in CA with CoveredCalifornia) takes the insurance meaning that the insurance company collects the premium without any payment liability because nobody claims on the insurance because no doctors or hospital take it because payments and paperwork are .... you get the picture.
Corporatocracy (like in Cloud Atlas, Mitchell describes it beautifully) in action.
"In a free society, debate is over only when the people decide it’s over."
Well, that settles that. It's not a free society so the debate is over.
He got it right, it's over
Until the public starts rolling out guilotines....it's over.
If you are a Christian - look into the health sharing ministries. I am not sure if there are any secular versions.
Secular versions are concierge care, or direct care (same diff) - then make sure you don't get a federal tax refund, because you can still tell the IRS to fuck off when they send you angry letters demanding the payment of your "tax" / fine, for non coverage.
There is no law in America anymore when the jew bankster's SCOTUS puppets can change the definition of common words to rule in a way that benefits the interests of the 2% (jews)
AMERICA IS DEAD......it's every man for himself from here on out.
So why dont hoemoes pay more for Obowelcare? Fags use 5X more healthcare resources than normal people, and 2X more than smokers?
So why don't faggots pay more for Obamacare like smokers do?.....is it because Obama sux dix?
BOTH groups make unhealthy lifestyle choices which lead to an early death
Sing along folks:
Scooby Dooby Doo where are you?
The doctor's draining my anal sacks.
And Scooby Dooby Doo how will you pay the dude?
I dunno but I'm a democrat.
2 out of 3 of my doctors do not accept my Obamacare-qualified insurance now and my deductible shot through the roof.
A feature, not a bug, I hazard to say. The Dems will not be embarrassed in the least. For them there is never a tomorrow or a consequence. Pass a law. Voila! Money appears. That funny noise in the engine? Fugedaboudid.
TPP will bring in Indian doctors ready to cover you under the new plans. Just wait until the new labor imports get going. Imagine Disney, but for a whole hospital. Dr Gupta on CNN is just warming you up to the idea. The cold blooded part is when they cut the Indians for Pakistani's.....
nope you are wrong donkey because India isnt a signatory member of TPP . murika didnt include BRICS in that scum deal . Rather they are thankful for it .
What the fuck i just dumped my Dr Gupta because he was an insurance whore! How many Dr Gupta's are there on the planet?
The phrase Novus ordo seclorum Latin for "New order of the ages" appears on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States, first designed in 1782 and printed on the back of the United States one-dollar bill since 1935.
There you go.
Brought to you by the so called Conservative heritage foundation, the same foundation that backed NAFTA
Mr. Moffit is a solid Reagan conservative but you have a point about Heritage. If something has "international" in it, they're interested. Wish I could say what they say about open borders but I have my suspicions.
/innuendo
Didn't Heritage at some point along the line reverse their opinon on that?
Regardless, this wasn't brought to us by Heritage. It was brought to us by Obama, and a congressional vote that was 100% Democrat.
It wasn't Obama it was Clinton who brought us NAFTA, and who cares if they reversed its like being for it before they were against it more flip flopping. Thats OK all you dumbed down dopes keep putting your faith in these so called leaders you see today where that has gotten you
Magoo - I agree that Clinton stuck us NAFTA - But every living past president, Democrat & Republican pushed for passage of the job sucking bill. They are all scum - everyone of them. We are doomed.
Sooo... this means that Obama started lying to us yesterday? That BASTARD!
knukles..
either pay one way or pay another.. and it is legislated support for health insurance companies. Nothing more that an capture of funds to feed bloated industries.
Nobody wins here except captured politicians and the "sanctioned insurance company"
Add in Monsanto and GE modified food loonies and you have a captive audience of sick people with chronic illness paying skyhigh premiums for nothing. Take a look 20 years ahead.
With TPP and legislated vaccines and mandated premiums? Yeah BUY BUY BUY healthcare.
Never ends. Until we come out shooting.
Whacko:
OT, but apparently California now has some of the toughest mandatory vaccine laws in the country.
http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-vaccine-mandate-bill-up-...
Or tell them to go screw themselves
I just started 6 weeks ago and I've gotten 2 check for a total of $2,200...this is the best decision I made in a long time! "Thank you for giving me this extraordinary opportunity to make extra money from home. This extra cash has changed my life in so many ways, thank you!" www.earnmore9.com
Congrats. In another few months you can cover your Obamacare deductible!
Well, thank God we don't live in a free society or that might be a problem for Obamacare.
Name me one government entitlement program that was ever eliminated due to it being an utter failure and complete fiasco. One.
Let me rephrase the question. Name me one government entitlement program that was ever eliminated.
Its not an entitlement program; you are actually forced into paying for it. Even poor people. Only the bottom quintile of the income spectrum actually gets an "entitlement" at no cost. And they also still pay taxes (sales,income, etc). And have wages garnished to pay for medical debts not relating to what the "affordable act act" covers.
It's an assualt on every American's already strapped wallet. What happens when premiums surpass300-400-even 500 dollars?
"Entitlement" and "Non-Discretionary Budget" MOAR Progressive Double-Speak
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It's a Tax on living. If you're alive, you pay it.
For evar and evar.
It would make most USA USA workers, citizens PUKE. I tell you puke as a chronic condition IF they actually saw what other parts of the world set aside in budgets for health care. Some places it is free. Some places it is minimal and free for those that cannot afford....
But no. USA has to bring in a mandated system that narrows the field of insurance providers. Makes it illegal not to subscribe to outrageous premiums and totally over the moon health costs.
Then they do the double dance. The Obama polka. And bring in TPP so profits of drug firms as enshrined. Let's all do the vaccine dance.
It's just like everything else. Everybody's health, sick or not, is a commodity that will be financialized every which way but loose; rife with blatant and unpunished scandal and fraud. How this "system" performs has nothing to do with getting healthy or being affordable. The bottom line is profit for a handful of sleazebags, that's all that matters.
Making this a "law" is absolutely sinister.
Same as the TPP.
Chunga - Nice Flag - Keep the faith.
When you say bottom quintile you must be referring to the 100 million+ unemployed people in America (plus several million 'guests' of the Obama administration)........
on the national news they cherry picked a people that actually benifited from this coverage.
sure a few get a benifit on the backs of healthy mericans pulling the yoke. the people(person) had a health situation where as the medical costs had exceeded 100k. shit yea, glad he had insurance. it was broadcast like he was a norm. never did they delve into any demagraphics. sheeple were sold a line of shit. no critical thinking allowed cause they can't...
fucking joke.
Aspirin becomes mandatory treatment for all advanced cancers. Premiums will plummet 2 maybe 3%. Hillary elected in landslide.
Based on this ruling the SCOTUS has clearly stated that laws as written are open to your personal interpretation of what you want them to be. I'm fucking driving 70 in a 35 since I just made a new law in my mind based on my wants.
Perfect. I think I'll do some interpreting of my own, as well, from now on......
No no no no no, YOU don't get to create your own laws out of whole cloth. Only THEY do.
Get with the program, plebe.
Revolutionary War pensions?
Some animals are more equal than others.
Old Charts.
https://www.aei.org/publication/10-charts-showing-americas-stunning-enti...
The 1965 Immigration Act killed America, the people had no idea.
Obamacare is yet ANOTHER wealth transfer from US, the White populace, to the people of color. At the same time .gov is, effectively, killing off the Golden Goose, i.e. White America. I tell you there is a METHOD to their MADNESS.
Jeff Sessions a real American...
Sessions On SCOTUS Obamacare Ruling: ‘Should Dispel For Good The Illusion We Can Rely On Judges To Save Us’
WASHINGTON—U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) issued the following statement today after the Supreme Court acted again to rescue the unconstitutional Obamacare law and the illegal executive actions stemming from it:
“The Supreme Court’s Obamacare acrobatics should dispel for good the comforting illusion that we can rely on judges to save us. Whether on socialized medicine, executive amnesty, or any other action which erodes our Constitution and the authority of Congress, conservatives will have to rally the everyday voting citizen. There is no greater power than winning the trust and loyalty of the American people. We will need to put down the donor agenda, pick up the banner of the American worker, and carry it to victory.”
It's only OUR $$$ that .gov rips from our blood:
Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced .gov will “fast track” $29 million to victim families of the June 17 shooting at the Emmanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston South Carolina, Reuters reports. This amounts to over $3.2 million per family.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3131972/U-S-fast-track-...
Ross Perot said it all. "Y'all hear thay-at suckin' sound?"
We'll have the niggers voting democrat for the next hundred years" LBJ
That comment by LBJ, the criminal, is too sick,
That comment by LBJ is one of the few truthful statements that have ever been spoken by a US politician in the last 75 years.
This guy was pretty wise too.
The British newspaper The Times of 27 August 1859 printed a letter about the use of the ballot for voting in the United States, written by Richard Henry Dana, Jr. to his friendLord Radstock. In the letter, Dana reports:[3]
Old LBJ knew how to bait up a colored person, I mean it was like shooting coons in a sweet corn patch with thermal imaging. Him and the old grand klegal or what ever they call the head KKK guy in West Virgina that Democrat Senator Robert Byrd had them pegged. Just dribble a little orange blossom honey on a tree stump and they come like flies. Stuff them into public schools with union teachers and feed them booty rap, Mad Dog 20 20, destroy the family structure, hell, traditional blacks can't stand the thought of two guys boofooing but Obama had them coloreds cheering like wild indians at a whiskey tastin. Baptist Colored churches on sunday will be preaching "Gay sex or go to hell" sermons. Gonna be fun to watch the mexican business owners put up with that shit now. yeehaw!!!
+1 that is awesome....made my night.
LBJ also had John Kennedy assassinated!
Just you wait. The next political move is going to be Reparations to any and all blacks. And the corporations will be behind it.
It's already started:
'U.S. to fast track $29 million to help Charleston shooting victims' families' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3131972/U-S-fast-track-... What about the Colorado movie theatre shootings? Sandy Hook? All the families of the dead in Chicago every weekend? Or Baltimore?Don't worry yourself sick about it - it'll be the same shite the Red Cross (and other "relief" organizations) pulled after 9/11 - millions of dollars in "relief" were collected, yet SOMEHOW never quite managed to make it to the families .... huh ... now, how do you suppose THAT happened?
They'll fast track the $29 million, and it will disappear into the same old bureacratic hole - never to be heard from again (except in the rumble of those newly acquired speedboat engines suddenly made affordable for some nameless, faceless, gubmint bureaucrats.... ;)
Go Salvation Army!
I sure hope they route that $29 million through the Bank of Clinton. No more efficient money launderer in the world.
$1 trillion down and not one person less is uninsured. The greatest wealth transfer in the history of the planet is underway.
How's that "free healthcare" working out for you dims?
Bammy's had a hellovah week: ObieCare, Secret Trade deals and Gay Marriage.
Reggie is a happy he/she thingee today.
Maybe he wants to marry Obama now....
Bammy's 'folks' in the community that he organized aren't having such a hellovah week. While O'bammy is eulogizing 'folks' he's never met, the boyz in his hood are blasting away at each other, again.
By hey, gay marriage is legal. So we got that going for us... which is nice.
Week in Progress (6/21 – 6/27)
Shot & Killed: 7
Shot & Wounded: 52
Total Shot: 59
Total Homicides: 7
And the weekend just started.
We need some of that common sense legistlation to put an end to the violence. /s
Don't worry. Rove's going to the 'hood and take their guns away.
next up: peoples can marry their pet(s) legally...
doggie style...
Yeah - so much for the Republitard-run Congress putting up a "fight" ....
Does anyone STILL believe there are two opposing parties in the District of Criminals?
Boehner and McConnel fight for us like fucking mad dogs, I tell you.
They fuck mad dogs and tellus they are doing it for us.
Three things he can check off on the Saudi list of demands.
mandatory $500 per month with a million dollar deductible. WHAT A GREAT DEAL! thanx owebomba!
Wait till people have their first health problem and they find out what their annual out of pocked deductable is!
You mean I pay $500/month and I still have to come up with $6500/year out of pocket for my free health care?????
Wait till they are refused treatment because their condition is not covered.
We live in a litigious society. Medical malpractice attornies are going to be coming out of the woodwork to suck the last drops of precious from the dying beast.
Hospitals and clinics cannot deny treatment for medically necessary conditions due to inability of the patient to pay.
Yes, there must be some mechanism for sueing regulation writers.
Especially since the Insurers that are left, are writing the regs.
Yes We Can.
Know someone who went to the doctor for stomach issues. Had surgery for the same thing a few years ago.
The Dr. told him a second surgery wouldn't do much, and would leave himself open to a malpractice lawsuit. Told the guy to go home and fix it with diet and fiber.
Ever heard the words 'malpractice lawsuit' leave a doctor's mouth in front of a patient? Strange days.
You'll also never hear a physician prescribe homeopathic or herbal remedies for a specific ailment or condition. They are all bound by strict AMA guidelines that require the physician to adhere to specific pharmacological regimens, physical therapy, or surgical intervention.
Any deviation from these guidelines can result in disciplinary action, up to and including revocation of the license to practice medicine.
True and we shouldn't forget where it came from....
"The Rockefeller Foundation was the front organization for a new global business venture of Rockefeller and his accomplices. This new venture was called the pharmaceutical investment business. Donations from the Rockefeller Foundation went only to medical schools and hospitals. These institutions had become missionaries of a new breed of companies: the manufacturers of patented, synthetic drugs."
It's about time! Unless you get hit by a car there are very few reasons to go to a doctor. Anything wrong is caused by a lousy diet. Stop eating crap.
Wait 'til they are refused treatment because their 'beliefs' are 'incorrect.'
Climate change deniers don't deserve treatment.
Climate deniers should all get forced vasectomies.
Wait!!! We have a conundrum!!!
If any news agency in USA had the balls they would publish a comparative health premium/benefit survey of "leading industrial G7 or G20 nations".
USA USA should take look at France, UK, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany...on and on. Places where a suture in an emergency ward does not put someone in bankruptcy.
Take a look at nations where healthcare of the taxpayers has been a priority. Because it makes sense to keep your sheep alive. Places where being a doctor is not the fast track to millionaire.
Countries that, If my kid is ill I take them to the Emergency. Period. And do not have to take out a second mortgage to pay for 4 stitches and a bandaid.
Ofoolacare? With premiums so high WTF? Nobody can afford it now anymore than they could in the past. I think you kids down south of 49th are seriously deluded.
My God, are you actually advocating that the USA adopt a universal, single payer health care system like the rest of the world has? You mean they should actually cut out the parasitic health insurance companies? Why...why that's Communism, it could even be Socialism. My God, the humanity!
You mean I pay $500/month and I still have to come up with $6500/year out of pocket for my free health care?
Like the actuaries just pulled $6,500 out of a hat.
Most people don't realize they're on the hook for the FULL cost of their medical care...every year.
Don't knock progress!
Premium increases in the double digits for 2016 will make the past economic disaster that is ObamaCare look like the good ole days.
The young & healthy aren't signing up as ordered O'Barry, whatcha gonna do, fine them, throw them in jail? ;-)
Nope, taxing the cost of health insurance paid by the employer is next...they didn't start requiring it on the W-2 for fun.
Bull crap the government is here to steal your wealth or even the subsidies they give you back off of you and give them to the corporations that have taken over Washington D.C. In this respect ObamaCare is a corporate victory proportionate to the rise in healthcare costs.
What. You think the Government is here to help or something. Get real.
Gvt is not the answer to your problems, gvt is the problem.
ObamaCare sucks so much money out of the general economy in to hospital systems and insurance company that the rest of the country is rapidly going under. If the Congress of the US can't see there way to rectifying this obvious mess-the resolution is going to be more interesting than any of us have ever experienced
I'm kinda feelin all trolled out ....
When I feel like that...I go fishing.
Yesterday’s Obamacare decision told us that we do not live under the rule of law. Today’s gay marriage decision tells us we do not live in a democracy. These are dark days.
John Hinderraker
After 21 years of marriage I was hoping they would ban it alltogether. I lost so I am now going to get me a few more wives (young hot ones that give BJ's mind you). I will make it legal....
You just now figuring this out bro? This form of government is a kleptocracy. The end stage of plutocracy.
How messed up is it?
Years ago reading Before It's News you thought that everything was lunacy. Read it now and it's "shruggs".
Obamacare is a good thing, they told me, they can't lie
Just another wealth transfer mechanism to extract any remaining wealth to the zio-class.
Obama: "I don't think that we can make judgments based on people's 'spirit.' Uh, that would be, uh, a pretty subjective decision to be making. I think we have to have rules that, uh, say that, uh, we are going to provide good quality care for all people. End-of-life care is one of the most difficult sets of decisions that we're going to have to make. But understand that those decisions are already being made in one way or another. If they're not being made under Medicare and Medicaid, they're being made by private insurers. At least we can let doctors know -- and your mom know -- that you know what, maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off, uhh, not having the surgery, but, uhh, taking the painkiller.
SAVINGS!!!!!!!
i know this lady that gets partially subsidized plan for $175mth. in jan 2015 this went up $200 to $375mth...hahahahaha....and this bitch voted for obama twice. also she had to drop down a level to get the $375 so she pays double and gets less...to fucking funny.
LOL! F her! It is only going to get worse and the Republicans did nothing to stop it and they could have.
Not one Republican voted for this piece of shit Obolo Tax scam.
And not one Demo Tard read the Tax Scam before voting for it.
So no, F you....
HOPE!!!! HOPE AND CHANGE!!!!!!!
The House can defund it and the GOP controls the Senate. They have done nothing. They have allowed Obola's endless amnesty, the Miss GOP rigged that election and primary twice. The GOP-e was instrumental is passing TPP. I loathe the Dems and O but the GOP-e goes along with all of this as has the rest of the govt, military and Pentagram/
The Dems took the gorilla shit that has the toilet plugged Moron, let them fish the logger head out.....
Yes you can.....
I know a mother in California who is the breadwinner in the family. Husband works, but earns nowhere what she does. Two kids, both mentally challanged, but neither qualifies for any state help. I guess autism isn't a handicap. Both will never work, and need supervision the rest of their lives.
Husband doesn't get health insurance. She was paying $500 a month last year. This year it's $1,200 a month, with a $10,000 deductible.
She's been told it's going to $1,800 a month, and a higher decuctible. This doesn't reflect the 50% increases the insurance companies want next year. Plus, business is down the toilet and the boss is stiffing her on her commissions.
They're about to lose the house.
Down arrowed this one, only becuase it's stories like these that piss me off.........seeing certain folks that actually need the help not getting it. I feel really bad and outraged for families like these.
i dont know of a single middleclass wage husband/wife that makes like $60k each and dont get any kind of gov assistance having signed up for obamacare. i have spoken to a couple of people and they didnt know they were required by law to sign up. they are going to get ass raped when the irs catches up with them.
i also (because i cant find anyone that signed up) cant find out any info about deductibles.....everyone i talk to with obamacare is on medicaid or welfare in some way and they dont care about deductibles....
i have also heard of 2 tales of woe inwhich family members were out of state and got hurt...both had medicaid or some heavily subidized plan and both went thru hell to get a hospital to treat them. one was a broken leg and the other was a mild heart attack.
Even though the government gouges our eyes out to pay for these programs they often do not pay the company providing the service for varying reasons. Apparently, this commonly happens with state funded childcare as well. I knew a woman who ran a daycare who could no longer afford to take state pay for that reason. It doesn't seem to matter if it's a state or the feds, they are probably stealing the money at an increasing rate.
That's rich. Like that dumb female who couldn't afford to live in Austin any longer but said she voted for every tax increase. I know basset hound with higher IQs.
All presidential staff, congress critters and their staff, all of the supreme court and their staff (have I left anyone out?) should be mandated to use the same identical system as every other American citizen.
The cattle drivers will always exempt themselves from the 'laws' they impose on others. The next best step is to ignore ALL laws and let's have a few years of King's-X. Merika....fuck yeah!
Once they have extracted the last pennies from the boomer generation through the healthcare system the whole fucking thing will quickly collapse into a third world medical system where only the wealthy and connected get the care they need......
"The driving force behind health reform has been the desire to control rising health-care costs."
Really...?
Pay the owebama fine and carry a Platinum Visa for reduced medical costs.
Dear Obuma, the people cannot fund your idea/bankers idea. They do not have the capital and lots more do not even have a job! what is your plan?
FEMA reeducation camp or casket
ObolaCare is about destroying the middle class, making them pay for healthcare for the poor and illegals and also enriching a few HMOs, medical industry and CON-GresZ.
. . . . was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor or the Freedom Fighters in Donbass brought down MH17?
Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor.
it's a movie reference Groucho
Don't stop him- he's on a roll!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI
I think it was an armor assault.
We have too much dead weight on our backs.
Just like a dying forest needs fire to restore, the planet needs a bloodletting.
We must begin a euthanization program, stat!
Well Hospital Corporation of America, 7.7 billion stock buyback still going strong among all of this..of course all major health insurers are buying back stock as well...
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/06/for-profit-hospitals-like-stock-buy.html
Expect big mergers in Healthcare as the goal is a "Single Payer System" or total monopoly administered by private company that pays politicians to serve them....fascist Healthcare. In the end, supply of doctors and hospitals and other entities in the medical supply chain will become so bureaucratic that it becomes 3rd world healthcare with luxury pricing. Obesity will be the next premium target; first it was smokers...no one spoke up because smoking has been demonized, but notice your Primary Care Physician is notating your BMI (Body Mass Index) on you and your children and these go into a Federal database and in the future all who are considered obese will pay more.
Maybe it went down something like this as the machines largely run the ACA which most can't bring themselves to see, so here's "Scalia". "I'm not messing with those ACA machines, what do you think you guys are going to do about it?" and thus so the ACA survived. This was no question to begin with of course as stopping subsidies would have literally caused an algorithm explosion with the the Quants that work at insurance companies to quickly devise new policy models, so in essence they didn't want an algo battle either:)
If you like your government you can keep your government.
Or not.
President Obama repeatedly promised that his signature health law, the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, would reduce insurance premiums by $2,500 for the typical family.
My employer provided family plan is:
65:35 split cost total monthly premium of $5000
Yes that is $60k a year to cover a family. My out of pocket would be $1700 per month.
Plan details:
HMO select plan. Zero out of network coverage. No Minute Clinic coverage. No urgent care coverage outside the single hospital network.
$6500 deductible
$100k yearly max coverage/ $3 million lifetime
$15/$30/$90 prescription drugs online ordering only
$30/$50/not covered bought in Pharmacy
$35 copay
My employer doesn't have to worry about paying $40k for each employee because nobody can afford this plan. Through the exchange a similar plan is $1900 a month and I would have to bear the entire cost and I don't qualify for subsidies. Last year including insurance company payments to health providers my family spent a total of $1100 on care and prescription drugs.
So I don't have health insurance for my family and I have to pay a penalty to the IRS and my state because my state requires coverage. So I am fucked.
Sorry but I'm not interested in overpaying $59000 for insurance.
I'm on disability and can no longer afford the pain management treatments; Obamacare has sucked up 41% of the disability payments I receive and to use the healthcare it becomes higher. Three years ago it was about 15% with the needed treatments. So I suffer, in pain, and no hope in sight in that regard, but I am thankful. I do thank the people who pay into the "system" so I do have food, clothing and shelter...thank you. BTW - I never voted for "Hope & Change"; he was transparent and still is; a liar, deceiver and murderer with handlers. Nothing new under the sun. Teach your children that ALL national politicians are liars and deceivers and the media and bankers are their handlers and can NEVER be trusted.
I am not sure if this will work for you but it might help:
Search for MediShare, Samaritan Ministries, Altrua Health Share, Liberty HealthShare.org, Christian Healthshare Ministries.
These are not for everyone but they are worth checking out. The allow you to avoid the penalty.
They are pretty close to what health insurance should be versus United Healthcare CFO making $40 million a year including stock options.
I have Medishare and so far they've been great. My premiums are only $160/mo. They pay 100% after you meet your deductible, even if you are out of country. I chose a high deductible to get the lowest monthly rate. But even a deductible of only $500 would have increased the rate to about $280/mo.
+100
Very glad it works for you.
I try to tell people who I know and like to check out all of these healthcare ministries. There is an alternative. This may not sound Christian of me but - F Utd Healthcare et al. They wrote this police state law.
I talked to a lady at MediShare and she was fantastic. The people who work at these HC ministries are awesome plus you can talk to a human who is an American.
I'm beginning to really want this country to crash hard. I know that seems negative but it may end up being the only thing to save us.
It's all fun and games until the printing press stops. Total debt needs to double every 8 years. That will take a war or a huge entitlement boost.
Who pays for Obama's free lunches? The middle class suckas. Their true cost is to add the deductible to the insurance cost. The middle clans suckas will oft avoid seeing a doctor, because they know they'll become bankrupt. This rationing will kill the Obamacare host.
You obviously have a "common core" education - sucker!!
I think; therefore I am. You repeat; therefore you're trained.
What a joke of a nation we've become.
Fundamental Transformation!
A country that is morally bankrupt is in ruin; we are morally bankrupt and we are paying the price and worse we are no longer planting trees that provide shade for future generations...we have left them totally exposed. It is the history of all nations, cultures and humanity. The good news is there is a Hope; He is God and He freely offers forgiveness to whosoever will call upon Him for mercy.
I went to my internist today for an annual physical (paying cash). Observing others in the waiting room, I could not believe the degrees of obesity and other controllable, really serious problems many showed. When no one can afford Obamacare, maybe some will decide that living on booze and potato chips may not work much longer. But then, there's still SSI, and so far, I don't think anyone's paying for that. Forget it.
Point taken, and it's a pretty good one. But going to an internists office and noticing fat people with health problems is like going to a fitness gym and noticing a lot of sweaty people. High Blood pressure and diabetes are an internists bread and butter.
Da!! Ja!! Si!! Uoi!! Hai!!
The debate is over when the Emperor says it is over! Vote us down and we will revote. Vote us in and it will be forever!
Hail! Caesar Augustus Obama our new fascist Emperor for life! There will not be another presidential election, we will all be in the fascist grasp of war in 2016 and the elections will be cancelled. The New World Order fascist are on the move with TPP and 40,000 UN troops amassed on the battle field ready to strike a blow in Ukraine.
The Robert’s Supreme Court are fascist cultivated TRAITORS to our American democracy and our constitution. The court is subject to, and serves the fascist takeover and the New World Order that the fascist (merger of multinational corporate monopoly with government) secret trade deal delivers.
The fascist secret trade deal will morph the Washington Empire of Debt, Fraud and Chaos into the New World Order Empire of Debt, Fraud and Chaos that will have laws that supersedes American sovereignty as a nation, Congress, Supreme Court and American Laws; it’s a total fascist takeover by bankster criminals.
The Robert’s Supreme Court are secret FASCIST.
Democracy: government of, for and by the People.
Fascist: government of, for and by the monopoly multinational corporations.
Fascist are totalitarian that rule with their boot on the neck of their subjects. You are no longer regarded as an individual human, but as a subject to a higher order; specifically a debt slave subject to the fascist corporate masters. Worthless debt slaves will be too much liability and will be eliminated to trim the corporate profit line. How about American sausage, made from really fat Americans and old people; wouldn’t that fulfill their fascist corporate fiduciary responsibility without morality toward humanity or our Earth?
Vote for me as President and I will STOP obamacare.
And have the last 3 administrations tried for treason.
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MORE HILARIOUS BULLSHIT!!! LOL
Those fucking Conservatives At The Hairy-tage just refuse to accept facts of success.
Premiums went up 2% in 2015. Just 2%.
The lowest rate of health care inflation in 50 years. 50 years.
The average policy has saved $1800 in premiums
because of lower cost increases these last 5 years.
Nancy? Is that you?