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Supreme Court Legalizes Gay Marriage Nationwide In 5:4 Decision
Following yesterday's historic 6:3 Supreme Court decision enshrining the tax known as Obamacare, there was little surprise moments ago when in one of its last remaining decisions in re: Obergefell v. Hodges, the most liberal Supreme Court since 1960 just declared gay marriage legal nationwide. The decision, supported by all the women on the SCOTUS, came down in a 5:4 vote with Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, Breyer and Kenedy voting for, while Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and Alito dissented.
As always, the most interesting contents are in the dissent, which today was, ironically, written by Roberts who in the past 48 hours has made many friends and maybe even more enemies. Some of the key remarks:
... this Court is not a legislature. Whether same-sex marriage is a good idea should be of no concern to us. Under the Constitution, judges have power to say what the law is, not what it should be. The people who ratified the Constitution authorized courts to exercise “neither force nor will but merely judgment.”
Although the policy arguments for extending marriage to same-sex couples may be compelling, the legal arguments for requiring such an extension are not. The fundamental right to marry does not include a right to make a State change its definition of marriage. And a State’s decision to maintain the meaning of marriage that has persisted in every culture throughout human history can hardly be called irrational. In short, our Constitution does not enact any one theory of marriage. The people of a State are free to expand marriage to include same-sex couples, or to retain the historic definition.
Today, however, the Court takes the extraordinary step of ordering every State to license and recognize same-sex marriage. Many people will rejoice at this decision, and I begrudge none their celebration. But for those who believe in a government of laws, not of men, the majority’s approach is deeply disheartening. Supporters of same-sex marriage have achieved considerable success persuading their fellow citizens—through the democratic process—to adopt their view. That ends today. Five lawyers have closed the debate and enacted their own vision of marriage as a matter of constitutional law. Stealing this issue from the people will for many cast a cloud over same-sex marriage, making a dramatic social change that much more difficult to accept.
The majority’s decision is an act of will, not legal judgment. The right it announces has no basis in the Constitution or this Court’s precedent. The majority expressly disclaims judicial “caution” and omits even a pretense of humility, openly relying on its desire to remake society according to its own “new insight” into the “nature of injustice.” As a result, the Court invalidates the marriage laws of more than half the States and orders the transformation of a social institution that has formed the basis of human society for millennia, for the Kalahari Bushmen and the Han Chinese, the Carthaginians and the Aztecs. Just who do we think we are?
Understand well what this dissent is about: It is not about whether, in my judgment, the institution of marriage should be changed to include same-sex couples. It is instead about whether, in our democratic republic, that decision should rest with the people acting through their elected representatives, or with five lawyers who happen to hold commissions authorizing them to resolve legaldisputes according to law. The Constitution leaves no doubt about the answer.
As for the president's immediate response...
Today is a big step in our march toward equality. Gay and lesbian couples now have the right to marry, just like anyone else. #LoveWins
— President Obama (@POTUS) June 26, 2015
... it is not to be confused with his pre flip-flop take from several years ago:
... as a candidate for president, Obama told Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church that marriage could only extend to heterosexual couples. “I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman,” Obama said at the time. “Now, for me as a Christian — for me — for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.”
And here's Mike Huckabee's different 'perspective'...
Former Arkansas governor and 2016 Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee made the following statement in response to the Supreme Court's ruling on Obergefell v. Hodges.
"The Supreme Court has spoken with a very divided voice on something only the Supreme Being can do-redefine marriage. I will not acquiesce to an imperial court any more than our Founders acquiesced to an imperial British monarch. We must resist and reject judicial tyranny, not retreat.
"This ruling is not about marriage equality, it's about marriage redefinition. This irrational, unconstitutional rejection of the expressed will of the people in over 30 states will prove to be one of the court's most disastrous decisions, and they have had many. The only outcome worse than this flawed, failed decision would be for the President and Congress, two co-equal branches of government, to surrender in the face of this out-of-control act of unconstitutional, judicial tyranny."
"The Supreme Court can no more repeal the laws of nature and nature's God on marriage than it can the law of gravity.
Under our Constitution, the court cannot write a law, even though some cowardly politicians will wave the white flag and accept it without realizing that they are failing their sworn duty to reject abuses from the court. If accepted by Congress and this President, this decision will be a serious blow to religious liberty, which is the heart of the First Amendment."
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welp, if the last two decisions by the SCOTUS don't start Civil War II, nothing will. Here's to the idiot sheeple who voted for the demicans & republicrats who gave you this! Congratulations idiots, you voted for this! If you did not vote straight libertarian, THIS IS ON YOU!
Here’s what will happen next: some faggots will go to their local church and demand to be married. Eventually one pastor will say no. Then the lawsuits will start. Here very shortly all Christian Churches will be persecuted for not marrying gays. They will be bankrupted and shut down. They will make those homos who shut down that bakery in Denver look like pikers. Satan will cut a wide swath through the US Christians here very soon. This will be the “Lawfare” version of ISIS as the Gay Jihadis wage their war of ideology on all Christians. Many false Christians will submit. The real Christians will get crushed financially and legally as clearly the bible does not agree with homosexuality and certainly not with marriage.
All churches should be taxed. PERIOD
You should be much concerned with the mosques. Stop fixating on the Christian church; these days it is toothless.
The Christian church and their ZioNazi buddies in Israel are 80 percent of the problem.
I can elucidate on that furthur but doubt you would understand logic and reason,.
Actually, I do think the Pope is a Wolf in Sheep's clothing. Personally, I am a free range Baptist and have taken the middleman out of my conversations with God.
Including biggest church with an army , the state.
The Buybull will be proven in the distant future to be a totally HOAX book meant for weakminded people .
If you include Vladimir Putin as a 'weakminded person' then I guess Christians are in good company.
Putin's Thoughts on Christianity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3d_yxJhmjk
Time for some STATES to leave the UNION
Country is finished!
Looks like all those Catholic priests will soon be making honest women out of their choir boys.
It is women that want marriage mostly. They want to make sure they have someone who they can control. both gay women and gay men.
If you love each other a fucking piece of paper isn't going to change anything.
Our laws here are equal for all. meaning getting married doesn't give tax breaks or any other benefit.
Most people that marry here do so for religious reasons.
President Obama is due to speak at 11am ET...
Is he finally going to confirm what everyone already knows.....................ie -- that he's a cunt.
Who honestly, really gives a fuck about this bullshit. Arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic or what?
Seems Obama and Valerie must have coordinated their Cultural Jihad with the ISIS Terrorist Jihad this week. Both groups are kicking ass and taking names.
So... does this mean that they will all start be treated like the rest of us? No more perks of allowing all their significant others healthcare? Now they should BE MARRIED to obtain the same benefits that we must be married to obtain!
no, you are not a gay and second rate human, nothing more.
Good - should have been a quick and easy Equal Protection matter if lawyers hadn't screwed up con law so badly.
Also especially good as we will be spared the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the left.
I'm all confederate flagged out with those folks.
I really do believe Westerners should legalize marriage between a man and an animal. Why should those liberal Westernes in secret practice sex with the animals thinking they are doing something wrong... having a bad conscience, hm? They should be free to marry whomever they want, so if they want to marry or have sex with horses, dogs, donkeys, chimpanzees or any other animals, they should be free to do so, and the society should not judge them for it. If those liberal Westerners are free to have such practices with Negroes, then they should also be free to do so with animals. Why should animals be discriminated when the Niggers are not, hm? That doesn't sound right to me.
Good timing. While they go revise the national school indoctrination program by removing Confederate flags, they can have the material support the dude on dude normalcy. Sex ed programs were already on this.
http://illinoisfamily.org/education/shocking-sex-ed-material-in-5th-grade/
You think that's bad, try Ontario's new curriculum.
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/02/23/new-sex-ed-curriculum-under-fire
God knows what would be recquired to cure the liberal disease. I imagine it won't be easy. Cutting off a tumor never is, especially such a... progressive one.
I know many gays here that are very conservative and scoff at the LGBT Nazis.
In Holland? Amsterdam? I really doubt it. What does it mean for a faggot to be "conservative?" Would you care to elaborate? You seem to know much about it.
I live 45 minutes from Amsterdam which is only ONE city in Holland. I haven't been there in 3 years. Conservative means I know gays who follow the war agenda,. I know gays who are against all wars. I know gays that hate LGBT Nazis and think its no one's business what someone else does in the bedroom. I know gays that want to push their agenda on everyone.
I know about life , having been to 73 countries and living in 5 of them. I am almost 70 and know more about human beings than you will ever know because you puny mind is CLOSED.
Closed minded people will always be LOSERS in life.
I see you speak like a true Western libtard. ehehe
It is such a degenete and childish philosophy let me tell you. Do you think I need to get myself incinerated to know that touching electricity circuit is dangerous, possibly terminally, hm? You would harm yourself in order to get a better understanding of nature of things. I would not, because I know there are other means to acquire knowledge of something. Those who have the brain to think don't need personal experiences to learn anything, libtard. You have gone through your entire life and still haven't learn that prime, basic fact, but I in my 31 have learned that long ago. That is a difference between us, you dumb liberal creature! You learn from your mistakes and require experience to get the knowledge, whereas I learn from logic and knowledge of others who have brought it in the light. Consider yourself lucky. This is a valuable lesson you have learned today, a lesson you haven't learned in your 70 years on your own. And you know why? Because you are stupid.
Western libtards. Very, very stupid creatures.
Just curious, what level of education have you achieved? What do you do for a living? Because as a 31 year old you write like a fourth grader. Oh wait, I just got it, you're a parody account. For a second I thought people like you actually existed!
"Those who have the brain to think don't need personal experiences to learn anything, libtard."
The highest one. So you thought my post was an illusion, a product of your hallucination? Well, I knew you liberal Western morons are exceptional kind of retards -- apes of this age, neanderthals. Nice of you for confirming the fact. Carry on, libtard!
True Conservatives abhor war.
There's no fool like an old fool.
I know many gays here that are very conservative and scoff at the LGBT Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkwashing_(LGBT)
I know many gays here that are very conservative and scoff at the LGBT Nazis.
I hang my head in embarrassment and shame
Please don't. Celebrate instead. Consider it a day when Murica finally died. It took a long time, decades, for Murica to die, and that day has finally come. Bury that liberal, degenerate, corrupt Murica and fight for your rightful homeland free of liberal disease and Negroes.
p.s.
Current Murica might need some carving though, but it is necessary.
"free of . . . Negroes"
I'm going to quote you and the upvotes you're getting the next time someone tells me Zerohedge commenters aren't racist.
You can tell whatever you please, scum. I really couldn't care less. Quit trolling, you stupid liberal scum!
Trolling?? LMFAO. You seem to have a problem with dissent. You're a hateful, small-minded individual, and I'm disagreeing with you. I guess that's "trolling"?
Are you being forced into a same sex marriage..?
Penis sucking and anal fucking between guys has gained sanctity, but there is still a taboo among close hetero pals.
Jesus, what gym do *you* go to?
Because straight men don't want to be corrupted; don't want to think about penis sucking and anal fucking. And that is also why you liberal disease know so much about it (possibly from some personal experiences, hm?). There has never been a unnatural thing which godless liberal Western scum has not accepted and elevated to some sanctity level. It is divine and zeal to liberal Western trash, and liberal Western trash only.
"judges have power to say what the law is, not what it should be ..."
Um, isn't that Justice Roberts did by leniently interpreting "obamacare subsidies clause" a few days ago? Hypocrites and their fucking high podiums!
Sodomy...
Why not try sodomy
Can't you see
That it's no fun without you
Take my lips
and just juice me
Tie my arms
and please abuse me
Your goodbye
Left me with an anus that's dry
How can I go on, dear
Without you
Please put your part
Right in where I fart
So why not take all of me.
Apologies to Billie Holiday.
The Supreme Court has made some terrible decisions over the last 30 years (such as approving Indian gaming, allowing SUPERPAC's, etc.), but I support this one. I am not gay, I do not envy gays, but they should have the same rights the rest of us have in America. Isn't that what this country is all about? We shouldn't forget that marriage is as much about legal and property rights as it is about love.
You made a clear point. But step further back. This is part of the social agenda to continue ripping the fabric of our morality, nothing more.
You equate homosexuality with morality Totally FALSE
America is IMMORAL because of their penchant for hating humanity and wars of aggression. That is IMMORAL
You equate homosexuality with morality Totally FALSE
America is IMMORAL because of their penchant for hating humanity and wars of aggression. That is IMMORAL
What is immoral is promoting it on commercials, school material, ABCFamily tv shows, GLEE, news casts, just representing 2% of the population as if its 50%. Do what you want in the bedroom, just STFU about it.
Agreed but remember its less than 2 percent of the people in the USA that totally controll it. Zionist Jews
Hey, libtard, do you know who Alfred Kinsey was? He was a convicted pedophile. And you know whose teachings children here in Balkans are learning, hm? Yes, that pedophile's. You Western trash have no idea what morality is. You have never been moral creatures. You have ever been liberals, and liberals are by definition immoral scum. That is especially true for you Western Europeans.
The nuclear family is the fundamental building block of all civilization.
They are abolishing that, in the hope of replacing it with something more profitable for them.
The voice of reason., hard to find here. Actually in MY free country its not about property or legal rights seeing as we make no distinction between MARRIED people and CIVIL partnerships. My partner (female) gets all the survivor benefits that someone who is married gets.
But thats OUR laws not the American ones.
How do you know your "partner" is "female"? Is that what he told you?
You Americunts are idiots and your comment proved it,
Allow me to clue you in Dutch Boy. Repeating your comments twice, or even a hundred time, won't make them true. They're still total bullshit - and so are you.
You Americunts are idiots and your comment proved it,
The alleged sanctity of marriage as a religious construct was tossed out long ago with the tidal wave adoption and acceptance of divorce and annulment. Marriage has become and exists as a pure construct of the state for conferring legal benefit and that's it. So to hear the churches moan about religious freedom and take them seriously under the conditions of societal evolution (whether they like it or not) rings dramatically hollow. Their religious freedom was taken decades ago, and more will be exacted as a result of this decision. Religion is counter-intuitive to a progressive worldview and must be destroyed, except when the religion eats itself or destroys others, like Islam is accomplishing around the globe. Militants under the cloack of religion, notsohated. Mealy mouthed pacifists united as religion - they will be assimilated under the state. The only way to truly accomplish that is at the hands of the state, with whom the religious have relied upon to confer them a tax exemption and legal corporate status, among other constructs of peaceful but forced compliance. And taxes will be eventually exacted according to the needs of the state, and thus the shakeout will begin. And the people will be divided and angry again, while the state uses the distraction to again build another brick in the inevitable global world order of redistribution and wealth creation.
The people must be separated from their diety and replaced by the state. Religious order interferes with the state's ability to collect what the state will assert is duly theirs. And by any and all means necessary will that be asserted, with this colegal construct being a part of that necessity. The state has nosed under the religious tent incrementally, and suddenly the religious come to the realization what that meant. Spare us the surprise and shock. Then there is the slippery slope inevitability, that everyone's carnal desire should be legally recognized by the state. It is indeed coming down the pike as well, given that the construct of legal, non-religious marriage only serves to confer legal status and benefits. The only question to ask is that which benefits the state will be decided in the affirmative. If polygamy can be a benefit to the state (and there are any number of constructs that indeed, do benefit the state), then only the passage of time stands in the way. There is no god, the science is settled, blah blah blah. You will sing the songs of your people to your new overlords...and welcome them thusly.
The obvious question I have, with all of Justice Roberts bizarre rulings the last few years, what have they got on him? NSA has some juicy stuff for sure. Guy has done a 180.
I think he must be a pedophile
He and his wife adopted two children from South America. Thing is, the kids are tow-headed blondes from Ireland. Ireland does not allow their children to be adopted out of the country. I'm sure they don't condone their children being trafficked outside of the country and then adopted out either. I bet 'they' threatened to out the illegal adoption and take the kids away.
There is no such thing as "gay", "Gay" does not exist, it is simply a construct of the human mind and society but then, so is the concept of marriage so, why shouldn't those who decide to be "gay" be allowed to marry.
I think people confuse sex drive which is chemically based, (testosterone is chemical in nature), with the preferences that people choose to express their sex drive which are simply that, a preference. Some individuals have a preference for blonds or redheads for example, or short or tall, and some apparently have a preference for members of the same sex which is an odd preference because it is contrary to the requirements of evolution. In order to work, evolution requires reproduction. No reproduction, no evolution and obviosly, reproduction is not possible between members of the same sex.
Evolution works both ways. The earth always has ways of limiting population and increasing it when necessary. You may call it ''god;'' or some guy in the sky.
Nature already has some very good ways to limit overpopulation that we see at work whenever deer, for one example, overpopulate their habitat. It's called starvation and it's extremely effective. If you really believe your earth god regulates population by adjusting the gay/straight meter you live in a very weird fantasy world indeed. I guess he must have made all the unicorns "gay" huh? Go back to your vooden shoose unt vindmills little Dutch boy.
Wars are a good way to cull the population. Works time after time. the earth is a living being and also shakes off a few million every so often.,
Let me guess, you don't even know what Panagea is.
Go tell it to your invisble guy in the sky, fucktard.
Wars are a good way to cull the population. Works time after time. the earth is a living being and also shakes off a few million every so often.,
Let me guess, you don't even know what Panagea is.
Go tell it to your invisble guy in the sky, fucktard.
Actually, no. Wars often have little effect on overall population due to fertility increases just before and just after a war. For example, the huge post war baby boom experienced in the United states just after WW-2.
Wrong guess Dutch Boy, I have no "invisible guy in the sky", you're the one who has wet dreams about an imaginary "living being" in the earth. Listen up dipshit, the earth is not a "living being", it's a lump of (mostly) molten rock spinning through space currently inhabited by various carbon based life forms some of higher intelligence and others, such as yourself, with brains the size of walnuts who are only dimly awaye of their own worthless existance. The earth doesn't care about you, and neither do I.
You know what, though - fuck you, Obama, you fucking puppet war criminal protected by your skin color and party.
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/08/repulsive_progressive_hypocrisy/
Swooping in to 'take credit' like you had a thing to do with it.
Phony, reprehensible twat.
That is very true but nothing new for this, the laziest president I have ever witnessed.
The Supreme Court's ruling has put the final nail in the coffin of any notion of state's rights.
The death throes of the United Dysfunctional States of America will not be pleasant...
My hypocrisy radar is blipping like crazy..!!
The ZH crowd is normally up in arms about government intrusion in the personal decisions in the lives of individuals. That is all gay marriage is...a personal decision between consenting adults.
Nobody is asking YOU to marry someone of the same sex. Get over it. It's their own fucking business.
To the gays here on ZH....welcome to marital bliss. Enjoy your final blowjob.
Gays are born that way. There are Christers shitheads who think they can be ''cured'' as though its a sickness.
America is full of sick motherfuckers. and most of them are Christers.
Don't get Christ and Christer confused.
Christ did not advocate violence among humans and he was the one who said not to judge and to love your neighbor, not qualifying if the neighbor should be atheist, gay, a hooker, gambler or what not.
However the old Testament screws people up. One of the commandments says thou shalt not murder (it used to be kill when I was younger)
Then the next chapter it tells people to murder people for any number of transgressions. Go figure.
The danger is not the marriage of two same sex consenting adults.
The very real danger is government having the power to change the definition of words and thus law.
No matter if it is leftists or the right, any government that can change law and take away your rights simply by changing the definition of words [law] you are royally F'd.
“Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.” Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks…will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” Thomas Jefferson in the debate over the Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809)
Ahhh, Life in Kali Yuga.
Let me guess Australia is next this is disgusting
Some have wondered who are the rulers of America; no longer. They are the anti-Christian judges on the U.S. Supreme Court - four Jews and the swing vote for the Jews, Kennedy.
The votes were counted before the decision was made.
America’s European white Christian culture has to go for the interests of the Jews to continue rising . And what greater target would Jewish interests have in America than the white Christian family, put together with a Christian marriage and held together by Christian values? The campaign began its major assault in 1965 when Jewish interests forced (and forced is the right word) the Congress and the Administration to abandon European and higher-rated immigration, and bring on widespread, low-tech, welfare-bound Third World immigration.
This wave elected a black president and opened the way for Congress to serve the American people no longer but in light of its much stronger support: the Jewish banking cartel.
Here’s the route for the payroll of the money for the Fed’s Congressional puppets: the Fed, the puppeteer, creates currency from thin air, pushes it through reserve banks into commercial banks. Then the Wells Fargos, Bank of Americas, JP Morgans, Goldman Sachses et al., push it through their corporate partners (many of which they own controlling shares). Now it can reach Boehner and McConnell and Pelosi from the corporate lobbyists – General Electric, Google, Microsoft, the Newhouse media empire, Hollywood, and all the rest.
When the U.S. Chamber of Commerce lobbies for Fast-Track, the pressure it uses is really Federal Reserve money. The Fed doesn’t even need the savings of American investors any longer; the mask is off. Next, America’s media monopolies, largely controlled by Jewish interests with direct access to the money through the big banks, control the message. Their handiwork is all over the American landscape, forcing and supporting black racism, and their Bolshevik goals of pornography, atheism, abortion and euthanasia, the Obamacare “tax,” and now the ultimate Jewish victory, the redefinition of Christian marriage.
Some of the most dysfunctional , fucked up families are ''christian''. I don't see the same with atheist families.
I'm confused as to why you would take the trouble to contradict the obvious when the sun is setting on a great nation? You can hang from a tree and profess your disbelief in your creation, but it doesn't change the truth. I'm just confused as to why you are proud to be on the side of the destroyers.
You are an idiot that is why you are confused. Great nation? Never has been one. founded on genocide and wars ,
My creation? My parents.,
The more you respond the more we get to know you. Now you say America was not a great nation; what will we find in your next reply, that the Founders were slave owning bigots whose only reason for risking British execution was to make money and kill Indians? I can hardly wait to find what else the Obama Curriculum Core has taught you.
At this late stage, the SC is irrelevant.
At best a P T Barnum curiosity, next to the Bearded Woman exhibit
Why do we need 3 branches of government? We seem to be doing just fine with one. We've got a Congress that doesn't function except to pass laws and treaties that none of them have actually read. And the Supremes just do what the executive wants. And while we're at it, why bother having states? When the federal government trumps any law a state may pass, why bother having state legislatures and gumming up the system with all that unnecessary expense? If there were no states, think of the redistribution that could be accomplished!! All we really need is one benevolent President who can give us everything we need and one printing press to fulfill every wish.
Sarc/on
This decision will hopefully create added incentive for state legislatures to make the call for an Article V convention at which they can decide whether the federal government as a whole should be sent to the dustbin of history or just have their (usurped) powers dramatically reigned in. I will keep pushing my legislators to move forward. Hopefully other Zerohedgers will work in their states. Congratulations to Alabama (and several previous states) for making a formal application for a convention.
I believe that millions will be on our side and with the Constitution so violated that even the expressed provisions that states, i.e., the people, can define such measures as marriage is ignored, if this Constitution is not to be used as the law of the land, then the whole federal apparatus needs to vacated.
States can nullify this decision and/or call for a convention of the States to amend the Constitution and remove any or all judges. https://theweek.com/articles/460591/nullification-movement-how-states-ai...
https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/convention-states-constitution-amend/2...
As long as I live I will not accept these rules and this law. And I am encouraged by your post because this final attack on the morality of this nation shall not stand and you and I along with others will see it abandoned.
Marriage between ANY sexes is actually all about security. Women want marriage because they think it will cement the relationship. (more like cement shoes).,
Womens insecurity makes them push for marriage (young ones mostly) older women are more realisitic.
i think it is more about social pressure...
most ppl (esp older ones) are always doing the "oh, when are you going to get married?"
happens to both sexes...
kind of bugs me that the norm is to get married and have children.
Women want money--your money. Relationships are for obtaining such
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkwashing_(LGBT)
Perhaps God has sent ISIS to punish the west for all of this? That's some crazy shit to think about -- few of you have spent time in the Middle East and understand that in the Middle East Religion and Politics are the one and the same. Islam is against everything that the west is blessing (gay marriage, pushing God out of government, stealing from citizens, etc.).
What if ISIS is God's punishment on the Western world.
Still believing in your invisible playmate in the sky???????? guy/gal??
Gays are entitled to the same misery as most married couples.
the marriage instituition is over-rated
Federal Reserve: Quantitative Easing
Supreme Court: Quantitative Squeezing
IN any society 10 percent of the population will be born homosexual.
So if you come from a family of 6 or 7 chances are high one of your siblings will be homosexual.
10%?
Fucking hell...why not just say 50% if you're just making up bullshit numbers.
Clown.
Research it for yourself, you fucking MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your name should be SHITHEAD
Shovelhead the 10 year old retard who has NO clue about human beings or humanity.
Shovelhead,
There actually was a study done at least a decade ago if I remember right, that claimed in it's conclusion that one in ten was gay and that this same ratio was found in every culture they studied. They claimed or implied that many are in hiding. I am not sure how credible the study was but it wouldn't surprise me.
I remember after reading that, everytime I was in a crowd over ten I was looking for the token gay....lol Not that I would be cruel, just a curiosity thing.
Legalize money-printing for everyone.
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government [...] But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
-Declaration of Independence, bitchez
Today is a big step in our march toward equality. Gay and lesbian couples now have the right to marry, just like anyone else
Sorry, Mr. Obama, but you have brought judgment on America, like Sodom & Gommorah's. No longer, "America, America, God shed His grace on thee", but from now on it'll be curses. For God is a Jealous God.
Man, you fucking brain is fried. How old are you? Still believing in some guy/gal in the sky?
America's demise will be its IMMORAL wars of aggression , not homosexuality,
Now piss off and grow a brain,.
Well, I'll give you this, DutchBoy. You have discovered the real basis for this Supreme Court ruling: It is atheism. The Jews on the Court are atheists and they are voting their religion. Perhaps you've noticed that the primary target for atheists is not religion, eastern, western, et cetera. It is Christianity,because it was the teachings of Christ which have supported the explosion of freedom in the world that broke the chains of the Romans, and the monarchs and the despots.
It was Christianity that rode the sea in the Mayflower. It was Christianity that drove men like George Washington and Samuel Adams and the Signers of the Declaration of Independence to risk their lives for their fellow men, for the generations to come who would benefit from freedom.
And you with your discovery that you were not created but materialized somehow to throw your little pebbles against the greatest mountain the world has every known, freedom, are proud of your ignorance. And, don't mistake me, America's freedom was developed and nurtured by Christians - such as Patrick Henry.
That is purefucking HORSESHIT. the founding fathers were Deists. Which is actually closer to Buddhism.,
Grow a fucking brain.. You are totally deluded and spew BULLSHIT.
“Of the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence, nearly half (24) held seminary or Bible school degrees.”
John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.
http://christianity.about.com/od/independenceday/a/foundingfathers.htm
pull me the stat on how many were closet freethinkers, atheist, deists and masons at the time as well...never mind.
Would you say that the foundation documents of America, such as the Declaration of Independence, have that telltake ring of masonry? I don't think so. Ye shall know them by their fruits.
It is a ploy as old as Methuselah, from the Communist to the present humanists and atheists. They charge Christianity with hypocrisy, intolerance and warmongering when those are their own motives. True followers of Christ have none of those motives. The advance of individualism and freedom in Western Civilization is directly attributed to the principles of Christianity; war and human bondage and collectivism are directly attributable to the principles of Marxist atheism and World Order greed.
Let me quote Goldsborough:
“In November, Lenin led the second Russian revolution of 1917, this time against Kerensky and his Mensheviks…
“Thus began the bloodiest dictatorship in modern European history and the establishment of a ‘government’ whose leaders had vowed to destroy property rights and Christianity while enslaving the people in barbaric bondage. They had created a demonic dictatorship devoid of the Christian virtues of faith, hope and charity.
“The irony is that while Lenin and Trotsky were establishing their violently anti-Christian government in Russia with the financial backing of some New York bankers, revolutionaries in New York were establishing an American Communist Party with the financial backing of Dr. Julius Hammer, a wealthy New York City (Jewish) pharmaceutical manufacturer from Odessa, Russia.
“A strange and mysterious pattern had been established whereby certain wealthy capitalists, bankers, industrialists, philanthropists…financed communist revolutionary activities and their ensuing atheistic communist governments.” –Robert Goldsborough
Tragically, this partnership remains today…as globalism rushes to reap vast profits with the “bloody butchers of Beijing” and the NWO conspirators who finance both Communist revolution and Socialist legislation—a financial power group that is gaining, according to Dr. Carroll Quigley, the necessary economic and political power to seize the human and natural resources of the entire world.
They are not known for their philanthropic sharing.
thanks for your time and comment. good stuff. I leave you with this: “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
–John Adams
“The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. … But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding….”
–Thomas Jefferson
You are right. The United States government was not founded on the Christian religion. The Constitution does not mention it in any way. What is obvious, however, is that it was founded by Christians, including John Adams. For it was the teachings of Christ that gave men their understanding that they were not born to slavery but were born in the image of God, to be individuals and of individual worth, and to be free, under God.
Perhaps you're also acquainted with the debates that always begin on the religion of the Founders, including the cherry-picked quotes of Thomas Jefferson.
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson was America’s greatest proponent and strategist for a representative government. But his extensive correspondence regarding Christianity and the Bible have created literally volumes of conflicting evidence of his exact beliefs; he’s a man who believed in Jesus, who believed he lived, and in a letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush he explains his views as being “very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself.” From the Gospels he arranged his own version of the Bible -- The Jefferson Bible.
Thomas Jefferson:
“ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”
“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”
"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the Nation’s capital) [Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, (New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson’s Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]
James Madison
“ We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart.”
http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm
But the key point to make here is that the overriding belief of the early Founders was that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and that a government should be formed which respected the principles outlined in the Bible.
It’s especially clear that the Pilgrims, in which the seed of our religious freedom was planted, were extremely devout followers of Christ, as were the Founders. If the principles of Christianity were not included men such as Patrick Henry would never have been involved in the founding for one single solitary minute.
I see your point. It is very obvious that our Founders had a clear view of Jesus Christ's teachings and Jewish ideals in mind when they incorporated Democratic and Republican documents into being, based off civil law, entrenched in classic Greek, Roman and Anglo-Saxon doctrine with a smattering of Solon and Plato ...and what better way to honor the living Christ and Yaweh for centuries forward then to base our government buildings, courts ,monuments and banks on the Temple of Solomon and Cathedrals. oh wait...they didn't. They did however found and create them off the Greek Parthenon, Roman Pantheon and named the Capital after Capitoline Hill in Rome. Our early currency is dripping with greek and roman pagan influence.(and still to this day) In addition, multiple founding father's graves, markers and monuments are not adorned with crosses or references to Judaism or the Ten Commandments. They are replete however with Eygptian style obelisks, roman vaults, eygptian style tomb layouts...see where this is going? The claim of 'christianity" seems more like lip service at the end of the day from them, the deeds of heathen men were at work, founded in stone and in the parchments and laws they wrote. Thank "God" for that...but alas, I am an amateur historian and you can stop fooling yourself that Jesus loves us.
DutchBoy, a little word of advice. If you want to make your points better, you’ve got to stop watching cable, and picking up cabletalk.
So it was Christians that thought it was okay to butcher Indians?
You are a fucking total IDIOT
You are using the one-world socialist revisionist argument that falsifies American history regarding the American Indian situation in order to instill guilt in the hearts of her compassionate young people so they will acquiesce to the globalists as they displace white Americans from individual ownership of their own land. The Pilgrims lived peaceably with the Indians for more than half a century.
Much of the land America's early settlers acquired was bought legally from the Indians. And it must be remembered that the Indian, free-roving as he was, could not compete with the farmer in his hunting and food-gathering existence, “for the Indians needed thousands of acres for even a small group to exist.” And it was the Indians themselves who profited mightly at the trading posts, particularly in hide trade.
And both the Spaniards and the Europeans settlers feared the Indians such as the Komantsi, those fierce men who loved to fight and took no prisoners, neither white nor red, except women, and wanted none.
America’s primary story is the victory of expanding civilization over the wilderness, overcoming and conquering an untamed land.
The West’s history has been revised to misrepresent its white culture; it is not a one-sided venture as depicted by the revisionists--primarily open-border Jewish liberals who wrote the 1965 Immigration Act; it fails to report on how the numerous Indian tribal nations that dwelt on the continent fought and annihilated other Indian tribes. War was the way of life for many Indian tribes. In short, the American Indians did not live as one peaceful tribe in harmony with each other and Mother Earth.
And remember that "in almost every war the white man fought against Indians, he was aided by other Indians who joined to fight against traditional enemies,” i.e., enemy Indian tribes.
And if you want to know what cruelty is, take a look at Indian torture: like inflicting thousands of tiny cuts in a man’s body and waiting patiently over days while he is tied to a pole, watching him die, or spread eagling and tying a man upside down to a wagon wheel in the hot desert sun and letting the ants eat him alive…
So it was Christians that thought it was okay to butcher Indians?
You are a fucking total IDIOT
"broke the chains of the Romans"
guess you never heard of the Holy Roman Empire?
Naturally, you are making a mistake here. The Roman Empire (Augustus, Nero, Trajan...) forged the chains that bound the slaves and the subjects. The "holy" Roman Empire was the beginning of a Christian empire, generally concerning the awesome personality and force of Charlemagne.
hmmm, I should have been more clear on my timeline...witch hunts, the Inquisition, heresy against the church never happened. So if I am making a "mistake" it must be in my timeline after the fall of Rome and the rise of christendom? interesting. I do believe the goths, visgoths, vandals, celts and scandanavians would disagree on Charlemagne's "awesome" peace by the sword/cross method and the church as whole, enforcing salvation or death for centuries.
Dear Amateur Historian:
Perhaps I can make this simple enough for you to understand. The expanse of almost all the known civilized world suffered under the tyranny of the Roman emperors. Then it came to an end, first gradually, and then suddently. When Christianity in all its forms that follow Christ and not men (you can't contribute crimes against humanity that are not God's done by men doing them "in God's name") began its spread throughout the world a new world came into existence, and try as you might, you cannot dismiss Charlemagne; his thrust was forward and he magnitude upon man has never been denied by respectable historians.
“There are only two forces in the world, the sword and the spirit. In the long run, the sword will always be conquered by the spirit.” -- Napoleon
The campaigns of Napoleon, the bloody sweeps, the most severe monarchies that the world had ever known, transferred the spark of freedom to the New World. The spirit was the thirst for freedom of religion on the deck of the Mayflower and the persistence of men such as Samuel Adams, and the oratories of men such as Patrick Henry.
That spirit that was sweeping this New World outpost was the freedom for man to protect his God-given rights. And in this instance, “God” was the operative word in that true Christianity was the foundation of the belief that men were equal and deserving to be masters of their own lives under the guidance of God’s protection.
This was the guiding principle for Jefferson's forceful statements and Madison's careful words of law. How, otherwise, could one explain the unification for the creation of America and the consequent growthof Western Civilization in spite of the greed and ruthless militarism of the world all through the years?
"I know men and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every other person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creation of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him."
--Napoleon
IF you want gays to have less sex, encourage them to get married.,
The only correct thing you've said all day.
99 percent of what I say is correct.
Hahaha. Everyone screaming over the heads of each other that they don't care about what people do in their bedroom, except they clearly do. Making all sort of silly arguments about how this is a federal overreach, pathetic. You guys always cry about how the government interfere in people's lives and makes all kinds of silly regulations, but when they for once remove some stupid moralist rule you are seemingly more outraged than ever. Maybe the supreme court should obligate the government to send an agent from GIA (Genital Inspection Agency) to every wedding, which job would be to make sure that there is exactly one penis and one vagina present at the altar.
LOL very good. You can see by the comments that the majority of America is a nation of idiots who don't have a clue about life.
All they do is spew their Buybull crap and talk about their ''invisible playmate in the sky''
Thinking is much too hard for them.,
"We must resist and reject judicial tyranny, not retreat."
Knock it off with the tough talk, you are just going to piss and moan on Fox. Nobody's going to exercise "their right...their duty, to throw off such Government..."
I had a famously aggressive jokester of a lezbo sit down next to me at a bar once and in front of a bunch of people say.. "You know how I know you and I are going to have sex?" "Uh..... that's not going to happen." Lezbo.. "Because I'm stronger than you." I laughed and said "appearances can be deceiving"... Lezbo "Don't make this rape a murder."
She makes me nervous and somewhat disgusted. The thought of two men humping definitely does not make me feel warm and fuzzy either. I believe that all men have a right to their own free will barring that they are not victimizing a child, animal or metal deficient. I prefer Ron Paul's way, let the states decide.
The supreme court does not care about us and our free will so one must wonder why they have finally come to this conclusion. It probably serves as a distraction from their shredding of our constitution. Additionally, we all know about TPTB obsession with child rape and how they are attempting to normalise it in Britain...
Years ago when living in the USA (Omaha) I drove taxi will attending college. One day I picked up a ''lesbo'' and she took me to a ''lesbo'' bar in Omaha (the Butch type) not lipstick lesbo. So I was curious about it and she said ''why not come in for a drink''? She warned me NOT to laugh or say crude remarks because many of the 'lesbos'' could kick my ass.
So I sat in the bar having a cold drink and the football game was on TV. I closed my eyes and listened to the ''lesbos'' talking. They sounded just like guys ,. ''Wow,did you see that fucking linebacker ?''
I had a chuckle to myself and told the gal I took there ''Thanks, it was eyeopening,(ear opening)
Okay, point taken I will never spell "lesbo" wrong again... lol I actually don't mean to be derogatory either I should say. I believe everybody is fair game when it comes to comedy and that any gay worth their salt will get that. If they are offended... oh well.
I worked with a hilarious lesbo safety lady once, she used a shewee to pee on oilfield sites, mostly I believe to disgust and shock the guys. I thought it was hilarious.
http://www.shewee.com/
Years ago when living in the USA (Omaha) I drove taxi will attending college. One day I picked up a ''lesbo'' and she took me to a ''lesbo'' bar in Omaha (the Butch type) not lipstick lesbo. So I was curious about it and she said ''why not come in for a drink''? She warned me NOT to laugh or say crude remarks because many of the 'lesbos'' could kick my ass.
So I sat in the bar having a cold drink and the football game was on TV. I closed my eyes and listened to the ''lesbos'' talking. They sounded just like guys ,. ''Wow,did you see that fucking linebacker ?''
I had a chuckle to myself and told the gal I took there ''Thanks, it was eyeopening,(ear opening)
Years ago when living in the USA (Omaha) I drove taxi will attending college. One day I picked up a ''lesbo'' and she took me to a ''lesbo'' bar in Omaha (the Butch type) not lipstick lesbo. So I was curious about it and she said ''why not come in for a drink''? She warned me NOT to laugh or say crude remarks because many of the 'lesbos'' could kick my ass.
So I sat in the bar having a cold drink and the football game was on TV. I closed my eyes and listened to the ''lesbos'' talking. They sounded just like guys ,. ''Wow,did you see that fucking linebacker ?''
I had a chuckle to myself and told the gal I took there ''Thanks, it was eyeopening,(ear opening)
Years ago when living in the USA (Omaha) I drove taxi will attending college. One day I picked up a ''lesbo'' and she took me to a ''lesbo'' bar in Omaha (the Butch type) not lipstick lesbo. So I was curious about it and she said ''why not come in for a drink''? She warned me NOT to laugh or say crude remarks because many of the 'lesbos'' could kick my ass.
So I sat in the bar having a cold drink and the football game was on TV. I closed my eyes and listened to the ''lesbos'' talking. They sounded just like guys ,. ''Wow,did you see that fucking linebacker ?''
I had a chuckle to myself and told the gal I took there ''Thanks, it was eyeopening,(ear opening)
Do you have a twitch or something from all that butt "sex"? You keep double posting.
He feels just that strongly about it, the miserable old fuck.
Nothing else is more important to the largest amount of people in this country, than gay marriage and abortion. The Two Mothers of all wedge issues. Not affordable healthcare, not decent jobs with living wages, not rampant drug addiction or corruption in gov't. or casino capitalism on Wall St. No, the majority of AmeriKans were waiting with baited breath for the ruling to come down from on high on whether or not fags could legally get married.
I've said it before: Dumbfuckistan isn't just a region in north south east west USSA, it's an entrenched zapped and rigidly codified state of mind. Or lack thereof. We did all the things to ourselves that the Communists only dreamed of. I expect a lot more of that with the former '60's "radicals" doing their duty to destroy us from within.
Exactly why is marriage, abortion, etc.. even within the scope of government?
Newsflash: The founding fathers were deists, atheists, secularist AND Christian ( and not the bat shit, right winger CIA scripted Billy Graham type we have today) as well as outright pagans…but don't let that "truth" get in the way though. Some of you people here aren’t “homophobic”, or concerned with America’s downfall because of this gay marriage issue…you are really just hypocritical assholes who spout Libertarian ideals when it fits your BS ( belief system) paradigm and then you inject your pre-programmed, televangelist sky god nonsense into it. Reevaluate your “awakening” you fucktards. bigots may feel free to downvote away.
Bingo, more truth and logic and reason.
In law this is the correct decision. Of course it was the wrong question. The question should have been, who are the servants in government to tell anyone that they can or cannor get married or to tell who must accept any marraige? They are fucking servants and they get zero say in the matter.
I completely agree. In my town you go to the same office to get a marriage license or a dog license. Why do you need a license for either?
But is there a license needed to live together?
Marriage is a religious institution.
Government should stay out of religion.
For most, gay marriage was never about dignity and marrying the same sex partner you love. Gay marriage is about saving money on filing jointly and the nonworking spouse being awarded the added benefits of social security of your deceased spouse. Its all about the Benjamins.
Bingo, thats why the laws in my country were changed. surviving partner gets same benefits as being married. Of course you have to register as cohabiting. My partner gets my pensions if I kick off first and vice versa. We are NOT married.
Bingo, thats why the laws in my country were changed. surviving partner gets same benefits as being married. Of course you have to register as cohabiting. My partner gets my pensions if I kick off first and vice versa. We are NOT married.
HOW CAN A SOCIETY THAT IS MARCHING TOWARDS EQUALITY HAVE PROGRESSIVE TAX RATES???
I guess lots of ''Christians'' here would think its okay to kill one of their family members who was born gay. Much like the Muslims they bash day in and day out here.
Well if they're an inconvenience to my life, then yes I suppose so. Oh wait, that only works on abortion for babies.