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And This Is How NATO Member Turkey Celebrates Gay Rights

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As America celebrates Gay Pride weekend with more exuberance than normal just 2 days after SCOTUS momentous decision, NATO ally Turkey appears not so keen for the lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transgenders to walk the streets of Istanbul with rainbow flags...

 

Caught on tape...

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It was all going well..

 

And then this...

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#LoveLosesInTurkey

 

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Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:43 | 6244453 dogismycopilot
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This is about the only thing I agree with Recap on.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:44 | 6244455 Publicus
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Turkey is an ISIS supporter too.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:45 | 6244466 Haus-Targaryen
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Religion of peace. 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:48 | 6244479 God
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God disapproves of gayness.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:49 | 6244486 remain calm
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That water cannon, has Peter North power.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:50 | 6244496 Waylon Bits
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Awesome!  Hose those flamers down!

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:56 | 6244532 cossack55
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#lovewins my ass.  Hate and lust drive many more passions.

 

Ignore 1st sentance

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:27 | 6244696 mtndds
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Again, last I remember you cant fertilize a turd.  It doesnt work.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:24 | 6245086 DutchR
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The turd is fertile of itselve and given some good soil many things can blossom.

 

Somehow i think this is not what you mean.

 

 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:40 | 6245187 Latina Lover
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Quick, Liberal Interventionists, here is your excuse to attack Turkey, NOW.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:07 | 6245318 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Will Turkey allow me to be a citizen? What is the fastest flight?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:12 | 6245346 0b1knob
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< Needs more cowbell.

< Needs less water cannon, more real cannon.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:21 | 6245384 strannick
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America maybe celebrating Gay Pride week, I'm not.

Refusing to celebrate, guarantees you are branded a bigoted homophobe.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:45 | 6245527 nevertheless
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no, just the fact that you need to say your not celebrating "gay pride" illustrates, your bigotry...no one cares

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:52 | 6245567 0b1knob
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Typical false dilemma liberal argument.    Everybody must be either pro-gay or a bigot.

Can't we just not care?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:09 | 6245646 nevertheless
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Are you for real, how can people be so stupid? So what else would YOU call someone who does not want another person to have the same rights as YOU? You are the epitomize bigotry, you don't support equal rights for someone else, based on, wait for it, YOUR prejudice...Now if you can explain, under the US constitution, that YOU should enjoy rights that another US citizens, who is gay, should not, then maybe you can start a real debate based on respect and not on hate.  Oh and leave YOUR religion out of it, Your ilk does not want Sharia law governing you, and I don't want YOUR choice of religion governing me.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:18 | 6245685 0b1knob
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I don't care what gays do.   

Why would I celebrate the "victory" of a narcissistic, hedonistic group of heterophobic people who derive pleasure from degradation and filth?   

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 16:00 | 6245877 schatzi
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This place....

 

The level of intolerance and bigotry is off the scale. Your description of them only allows one conclusion: you neither have gay friends nor family, because then you would know gays have the same bandwidth of human behavioural characteristics and emotions that heteros have. They can be the most kind, tolerant, considerate, unassuming, down to earth people around. Most gays are not recognised as gay by strangers. They live below the radar because of people like you, or simply because they live a life like you or me.

A childhood friend of mine lost contact to his parents because they showed the same level of ignorance and intolerance that you do. Should I or my family ever need help, he would be the first to provide support in any possible way. I'm lucky to call him my friend.

I randomly picked out your post amongst a majority of posts of similar gist. I'm probably just charging into windmills here, but fuck it, at least I gave it a try.

As a side note, the context of NATO (and Turkey originally joining NATO to provide a SW flank - much to Russia's ire), and the current repressive and openly violent anti-gay climate in Russia, point to the same spectrum of ZH contributors that have become more frequent since the Ukraine conflict.

It is when I feel a site is being abused for political reasons, it loses much of its value.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 16:38 | 6246033 NumNutt
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Hmm, I thought fags liked getting hosed........

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 18:56 | 6246707 PrayingMantis
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... in the Book of Genesis, God declared marriage as Adam & Eve ... not adam & steve or madam & eve ...

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:37 | 6249313 Seek_Truth
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Interesting and relevant factoid:

Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed on June 29.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOFEF1vTJqY

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:04 | 6246166 weburke
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TRY TO DIGEST THIS AS PART OF YOUR ANALYSIS. 

HOW DID THE GAY MARRIAGE BILL GET OUT OF COMMITTEE IN BOSTON AND NEW YORK AND OTHER CATHOLIC STATES. 

STARTING FROM THAT, YOU CAN FIND YOUR WAY TO SETTING US UP FOR MUSLIM FALSE FLAGS AS THEY AGREE IN THE COMING DAYS THAT THE WEST MUST BE DESTROYED. IT IS THIS ISSUE THAT THE ELITES CAN NOW SAY RILED UP MUSLIMS IN ALL KINDS OF LOCATIONS THAT PREVIOUSLY NEVER COULD BE BLAMED FOR A FALSE FLAG.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:10 | 6246203 0b1knob
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"It is when I feel a site is being abused for political reasons, it loses much of its value."

Good point.   Why is this story even on Zero Hedge?   Why does the author just assume that everybody is pro-gay?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:38 | 6245780 Zadok
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It might just be me but it appears that the SC shooting theater thingy did not garner enough distractive horsepower so the pulled out the big distraction guns.

It's as if they want all of us that breathe the same air and water to fight each other to the death so we won't pay attention to our slave master activities.

It looks to me like this is all about the TTP.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:46 | 6245816 uncle_vito
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Gays want much more than equal rights.   They want the ability to restrict your religious rights, ruin your business, ruin your job and shove 'gayness is normal' down your throat and your children's throats.

 

They want the entire country to change the definition of marriage because of how they feel.

 

They want much more than equal rights.   How clueless can you be.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 16:44 | 6246066 MontgomeryScott
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It's far deeper than that.

Two homosexual males cannot reproduce when coupled. Two homosexual females cannot reproduce when coupled.

This lack of ability to naturally reproduce results in the reduction of human population; and those that promote homosexuality desire that the population of humanity should dwindle down to NOTHING.

Even worse than that, the gift of the seed and the egg to mankind is made to be simply a guttural expression of carnal lust; and the eggs are discharged without fertilization; and the seed is spilled and instananeously killed. Not only is mankind being set up to fail, but it is being told to debase itself and ENJOY IT. It is a mass madness of suicide and death.

I shall not discuss which Tribe and which 'economic' theory promotes this practice. I'm not even going to bring up the religious aspects of the fight between the Creator and the Usurper (with the existence of mankind, a breed created in the image of likeness of the Creator, is used as a pawn between two opposing super-entities).

They don't want 'equal' rights. They want YOUR rights (AND, your gift of Free Will); and, ultimately, your LIFE.

FUN FACT:

I just heard the 'news' on the CONUS A.M. radio that the worldwide 'jewish' population just exceeded 16.1 million ('a level not seen since just before the "holocaust"'). Point 0023 percent of worldwide population (assuming 7 billion).

Constantinople (now known as Istanbul) was the eastern capital of the declining Roman empire. Perhaps there is a genetic memory of how the Empire was finally destroyed (decadence) within the governmental people.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 16:50 | 6246093 Dixie Flatline
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uncle_vito gets it!  Sodomites are <2% of the entire population, but have the media and pop culture behind them.  The majority of them want to be left alone and just engage in their sin behind closed doors, but there is a very vocal minority of that 2% that are the activists that are out to destroy every last institution in this country.  Sodomania IS judgement.  This is just the beginning.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:15 | 6246235 BarkingCat
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Your argument is weak.

Everyone had the same right. The right to marry one person of the opposite gender.

I frankly did not give a damn what two fags do in private, but for these mentally defective people it was not about tolerance. They lied. They want full acceptance.
You are not getting it, you deviant shits.
Your sexuality is in direct conflict with natural purpose of sex - reproduction. You are fucking defective at a very basic level.
You had my tolerance, but had to push it. Now you have list it.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 19:03 | 6246738 Milestones
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300 M years ago all species were ALL female and self inseminated their selves until mother nature nature determined that the inbreading that it produced was a defect in the system (our own problem of incest lead to the near probhition of such act).

Just venturing a (hopefully) reasoned guess that homosulexity goes back that far as"accidents" in gene transmission creates these modifications. Mother nature does not have built in human "morality.             Milestones

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:47 | 6245818 Anusocracy
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There is a simple reason for gay tolerance by the left and not the right.

Imagine it's 20,000 years ago and you are in a hunter-gatherer tribe. Due to cognitive limitations, the tribe's size is limited to about 150 members. The goal is to pass your genes on and the presence of gay members in the tribe means that you, a straight male, have your probability of reproducing increase. So having gays in the tribe is a positive for you.

Imagine it's 8,000 years ago and you live in a town/settlement. The town is regularly raided by nearby hunter-gatherer tribes and the possibility of war with neighboring towns looms. Because of agriculture, specialization of labor, and chain of command hierarchies, towns can grow to quite large sizes. Unless they are isolated, they are also basically forced to grow in order to survive and prosper. The presence of gays would drive down the growth of the town and the probability of you passing your genes on. Gays would become a negative, their presence in society would be unnecessary, disapproved of, and probably forbidden by the population of the town.

A similar case for the left and right positions on abortions can be made.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:08 | 6246190 ebear
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"The goal is to pass your genes on and the presence of gay members in the tribe means that you, a straight male, have your probability of reproducing increase. "

To put it in a modern context, given that there are far more gay men than women.....

on average, a straight guy living in San Francisco gets laid more often than one in New Jersey or Philadelphia.

Seriously, I don't get all this bitching from straight males. Every time two guys hook up, that's a couple more women with no date. Bear in mind there are fewer gay women than men, and that you wouldn't look twice at most of them anyway, then....

WTF is your problem?

Any other situation that tilts the odds in your favor you'd be cheering for, so I can only assume the motivation is FEAR of your own latent homosexuality.

Faggots.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:14 | 6245357 DutchR
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Damn, what day is thanksgiving again?

 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:27 | 6245105 Pure Evil
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No, but you can go to China, steal a child and be celebrated back in the US for being same sex parents.

Of course no one bothered to ask the child if they wanted to be raised in that type of environment.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:43 | 6245196 DutchR
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If you get them before they learn to speak...

 

You can reprogramm them and be like the future squint eyed kardashians, make a quadrillon

 

s thingy

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 16:18 | 6245896 highly debtful
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No one ever bothers to ask a child in what type of environment it wants to be raised in. Besides, my youngest daughter's godfather is gay and in a relationship with the same man for as long as my wife and I have been married, i.e. 20 years. Should anything happen to me and the wife, I wouldn't have a problem with him continuing to raise our 14 year old. That's why we asked him to be her godfather in the first place: because he's a first rate guy. And that is my personal yardstick, the measure I want to judge any man or woman by, regardless of religion, origin or sexual preference. Way too many people seem to think that all gays are sexual perverts, screw around irrespectively and cannot possibly be decent people.  

And to set the record straight (if you pardon the expression in this case): I'm a pretty conservative minded guy myself. 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 23:23 | 6252672 Abbie Normal
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Chinese adoption agencies will not knowingly place children with homosexual couples.  So homosexual couples with adopted Chinese children committed fraud of some kind in order to get their child.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:37 | 6246352 Dominus Ludificatio
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Water cannon is thhe best way to clear this infestation abd disinfect the street.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:49 | 6244488 Haus-Targaryen
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Normal acting gays do not bother me at all.  

Watching ferries get nailed with the water cannon is not only a great innuendo -- but fun to watch as well. 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:01 | 6245607 Titus
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Exactly, NORMAL acting gays don't bother me either. It's the aggressive gay lobby, especially the ABNORMAL trans community, trying to force acceptance of everything gay in every space at all times.

I am tired of the arrogant, literal cocksuckers asking me how I know I'm not gay if I haven't tried it. I think it's pretty easy to tell if you don't want cock shoved in your face.

Down with the aggressive minority gay lobby. Up with normal gays who just want to live and love in peace.

Divide these two groups. Ignore the shouts of one, live and let live for the other.

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 01:15 | 6247956 TheObsoleteMan
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There is no such thing as a "normal homosexual". The idea that there is this mythical tiny minority of aggressive activist giving the rest a bad reputation is laughable. They all flaunt it in public now, right in front of little children. Death and hell to all of them. Stop trying to give them cover.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:08 | 6249164 Titus
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Unfortunately there is an ever-decreasing supply of original members of fight club, all replaced by hasabara/state dept trolls and their blue/red dichotomy hate teams.

In your case, you want to draw a line saying all are responsible for the faults of some, regardless of the actual proportion of the some. All does not equal some.

AshkaNAZI ZIONISTS try to do the same with Jews, claiming all Jews want exactly what the ashkaNAZI ZIONISTS want. Jews in and of themselves are not the problem. It's this fanatical subset of non-semite Khazars claiming to be semites that cause the vast majority of the hate towards the Jews. 

 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:52 | 6244821 nevertheless
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From what I remember, "God" said nothing about being gay in the Ten Commandments...Perhaps you should just focus on those for now, and leave the hating for the neocons.

Every time I hear neocons talk about how Muslim nations don't support gay rights, I am reminded of troglodytes like you who would be just as bigoted if given the chance.

Gays have every right to the same rights and privileges that you have.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:02 | 6244919 oldmanofthesee
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Yeah, right! What's next? The Congressional Gay Caucus?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:26 | 6245095 DutchR
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After the black President ?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:29 | 6245120 Pure Evil
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And those rights are etched in stone where in the Universe?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:20 | 6245393 DutchR
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Next time bring your magnifying glasses, all those rights are etched right on the side of the hollow points i ordered.

 

yes for the hearing impaired /s

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:27 | 6245430 Pure Evil
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Seeing how all my rights and priviledges are being taken away, why should homosexuals have any?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:40 | 6245494 DutchR
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First they came for the Homosexuals, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Homosexual.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

 

See how that works

 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:43 | 6245519 nevertheless
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Its like arguing with racists and zionists, they don't actually argue, just parrot hate they have heard from others. There is no rational for homophobia, other than one's own insecurities, but rights are inalienable, not granted by likes of these bigots, THANK GOD!

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 00:06 | 6247826 Titus
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That's exactly how I feel when I get approached by some trans on the street asking me to sign a petition supporting their rights.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:14 | 6245671 nevertheless
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Your right, the current zionist Congress is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:43 | 6246339 Chauncey Gardener
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Yeah, right! What's next? The Congressional Gay Caucus?

Upvote for comment of the day!

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:44 | 6246377 Chauncey Gardener
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Grrr--double posting again. This site has issues today. Again.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:26 | 6245425 Antifaschistische
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"Gays have every right to the same rights and privileges that you have."

What "right" do I have as a non-gay?  There are no rights written anywhere and granted to non-gays.

...and the reality is, nature gives me a right, whether you believe in "mother nature" or a supreme being....a right to procreate, which you absolutely do not have with a homo partner...and you never, ever, ever, will have that right from nature.  SCOTUS can't help you, and a dozen more gay parades will never give you that right.


Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:38 | 6245482 Statetheist
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The fact you got so many downvotes shows how far the Drudgebots have taken over ZH.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:28 | 6245734 nevertheless
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I always consider GW Bush was voted in twice for president, as was Clinton, so Americans are pretty much idiots. I don't consider myself or my reasoning based on the "popular vote". I consider it based on response form people I respect (Ron Paul) which leaves out most politician, and anyone who argues against the rights of another US citizen.

 

I have been on sites like "Drudge Report", arguing against hate of Muslims, and against blind support for Israel, and there I was branded an "anti-Semite. I have been on Huffington Post arguing against amnesty for illegal immigrants, and their I was branded a "racist"...

 

Left and right are basically brain dead, just reactionary drones, caught in the snare of fascism. They are exactly why the powers that be can get away with what they do. They self divide based on their own prejudices.

 

 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:10 | 6246201 The Delicate Genius
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7 junks, eh?

Weekend ZH is lousy with Drudgebots and Fauxscists.

And they are, most of them, both juvenile and obtuse.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:49 | 6246407 GeezerGeek
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Based on the prevalence or "Drudgebots" suddenly appearing on ZH today, I'd suggest that this site has been infected by a troll army. I see no substantive refutations, only name-calling and ad hominem attacks. I guess if one can't argue facts then one must resort to such. Name-calling adds nothing to the discussion.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:45 | 6246393 GeezerGeek
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In all the time I've been visiting Drudge Report, I've never noticed a method by which I could anter comments. When you state you have been able to argue agains hate of Muslims I have to wonder what I was missing. Please elaborate on what you managed to do, or acknowledge that you've never actually made a comment on that site. After all, it's just a news aggregator with headlines that are at times misleading.

I agree with your assessment of Americans being "pretty much idiots", although I wonder why you omitted our current president as an example of idiotic voting. However, I do retain the right to oppose those who attempt to trample on my own rights, whether they be Muslims/Islamists, homosexuals, socialists, etc. I believe in "live and let live", but when any group tries to deny me my rights - including reaching into my pocket to get my money to fund their desires - then it is time to push back.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 18:12 | 6246503 ebear
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Like there's any difference.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 16:54 | 6246110 MontgomeryScott
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#7. You shall not commit adultery.

A 'big word', I suppose.

It's having sex without benefit of marriage (a Biblical thing where a man and a woman are united and become one flesh). It applies to gays and sheepfuckers and loose women and slutty men.

Silly faggot! Dicks are for CHICKS!

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:55 | 6246431 GeezerGeek
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One of the major failings of current Christianity, IMHO, is the failure to condemn extra-marital heterosexual sex with the same vigor some attack homosexual sex. The Bible (New Testament, at least) is clear on that point.

For those who've suggested leaving religion out of government, I say let's legalize murder and theft, since the Bible teaches "Thou shalt not commit murder" and "Thou shalt not steal". How would that work out?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:36 | 6245475 logicalman
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Prove it.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:49 | 6244491 NoDecaf
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"That water hose feels FABULOUS"

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:57 | 6244534 Ms No
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Reminds me of the "freak gasoline accident".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SSbFjK_gnY

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:05 | 6244576 Carpenter1
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Epic.

 

I'd love to go to my first gay pride event if it went down like that.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:37 | 6244753 Alvin Fernald
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I always empathize with people getting stepped on by the state, even if they are gay. It won't just be 1 group in the FEMA camps.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:55 | 6244867 nevertheless
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Nice sentament, even the "even if they are gay" part.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:02 | 6244914 bbq on whitehou...
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The mob has other ways of dealing with issues not to their likeing. Thats one of the reasons a government steps in, before the mob of disgruntled do. Pick your poison, allow communities to sort this out or allow government.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:31 | 6245755 nevertheless
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Its called leadership. And if you ever read the Constitution genius, you would know government is designed to stop the injustice of the masses.

 

What did you people do in school, certainly did not learn your civic lessons.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:48 | 6246403 Alvin Fernald
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"even if they are gay"
I just said that so homophobic readers of this site would not be offended.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 18:06 | 6246476 GeezerGeek
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It's quite clear that most of SCOTUS has either NOT learned what the Constitution says or have consciously chosen to ignore it. This is not a recent happenstance, although adherence to the Constitution does seem to be disappearing more rapidly of late. After all, we have "rights" based on a word - privacy - not mentioned in said document. We have allowed SCOTUS to rewrite laws and misconstrue the meanings of words. We have an entire department - Education - based on a word that does not appear in the Constitution. Those responsible for the abandonment of Constitutional government are traitors and have broken any oath they took.

But don't mind my rantings, I'm simply an example of an Obsolete Man (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c_YVXXe4W8).

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:09 | 6244956 Dathedr
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No religion allows, tolerates or supports promotion or celebation of queerness or any other forms of sexual deviations, or any form of degeneration for that matter (like pedophilia, for instance; a deviation very common and widespread throughout degenerate West), you stupid cunt!

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:32 | 6245141 DutchR
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Go tell the Greeks...

 

ps. no religion allows?  think again, it's all man made

i'm not a programmer but i think the programming of earth looks something like this

IF GOD

THEN

DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:13 | 6245220 Dathedr
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Your Western "religion" does allow promotion of any form of sexual deviations, or any other degenerations, under the veil of "freedom of expression," but no religion in the world tolerates celebration of sexual perversions.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:31 | 6245450 DutchR
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"Your Western "religion"  wrong

 

There is nothing of mine to find in religion

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 16:56 | 6246111 Dathedr
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You are not Westerner, or you have no morality of Christian religion and thus don't consider yourself religious? Do you know what morality is? You do know that, generally, its basis is in the religion of a nation or a people? Probably not. But fair enough if you are no Westener.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:41 | 6245506 logicalman
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Plenty of activities in ALL major religions carried out by those at the top that are way worse than being gay.

Catholic Church seems to have problems regarding keeping priests dicks inside their robes (happens in all religions)

Paedophile priests condemning consensual gayness seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 16:49 | 6246091 Dathedr
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Mindless liberal trash like yourself clearly cannot differentiate between the principles, rules and morality of religion on one hand, and those monks who are, or should, practicing it! You dumb liberal scum!

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 21:18 | 6247190 logicalman
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You will be able to see a lot further when you pull your head out from up your arse and look around.

To even attempt to judge someone (rarely a useful persuit) from a couple of sentences says a lot about you.

None of it good.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 18:15 | 6246529 GeezerGeek
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Christians, at least, are supposed to recognize that they are imperfect, prone to sin. If one is perfect, one needs no redemption and no redeemer. As with other aspects of human misbehavior, it's the cover-up that makes the sin/crime so much worse. I agree with your closing sentence, but hipocritical behavior permeates much of humanity. What's your preference? Muslim clerics who advocate violent jihad? They're not being hypocrites, but that hardly makes them more acceptable to me.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:39 | 6245788 nevertheless
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Maybe you should focus your hate on REAL crimes and leave what people do in their bedrooms to them. I wonder if you argue as vociferously about USURY, which Christ actually did speak against many times. But your filth loves to bully, loves to hate the powerless. And nothing gets you more worked up than when one of our victims gets some dignity.

It is most often the case, that those who most cry about the perversions of others are the pervert themselves.

Try following Christ's teachings and not the philosophy of hate...I know, that's not going to happen, its a lot more fun to judge others than deal with your own problems.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 17:26 | 6246077 Dathedr
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Christ was not faggot and wasn't promoting querness, you dumb piece of shit! Now fuck off, liberal Western trash!

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 18:27 | 6246586 GeezerGeek
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"It is most often the case, that those who most cry about the perversions of others are the pervert themselves."

Likewise, it is those who rail against financial inequites who mose seek money. (Hillary Clinton, perhaps?)

It is those who see and decry racism everywhere who do the most to foment it. (Democrats in general, Sen. Robert Byrd of the KKK more specifically. Oh, and read up on Sen. Albert Gore Sr., or any number of prominent Democrats from the 1950s-1960s.)

And while you are correct in putting Christ's teachings in opposition to the philosophy (and practice) of hate, you failed to mention his absolute rejection of sin. As some have put it, we must hate the sin but love the sinner. It's very difficult to live that.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:40 | 6245499 nevertheless
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So, because "religions" don't support it, "it must be wrong"? Where did you learn such critical thinking skills?

 

This guy extrapolates like all bigots, what gives hypocrites like this, the license to judge anyone?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 18:30 | 6246606 GeezerGeek
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Okay, we'll let those who are without sin cast the first stones. Better yet, let those who are not hypocrites run the government. Oops, none qualify to run government, which is generally fine with me.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:50 | 6244481 remain calm
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That is not nice. WWOD? What Would Obama Do?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:53 | 6244512 Osmium
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Drone them?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:08 | 6244588 in4mayshun
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Obama supporters are going to be pissed when he takes off the mask and reveals that he is Muslim and he actually thinks all gays deserve the death penalty.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:12 | 6244611 Supafly
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Good. We can start with him.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:27 | 6244698 e_goldstein
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 What Would Obama Do?

 Bend over.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 03:24 | 6248123 Finogen
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Obama would eat some banana

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:16 | 6244631 Cynicles
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ISIS is a creation of the US and / or Israel.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:28 | 6245115 Billy the Poet
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According to a recently declassified Pentagon document ISIS consists mostly of former Al Qaeda members and it is supported by "the West, Turkey and the Gulf States" for the express purpose of creating an Islamic State on the Syria-Iraq border.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:55 | 6244526 Perimetr
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Now is the perfect time to send Michael-Michele Obama over to Turkey to explain to the Turks just hos mistaken they are.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:46 | 6244807 Arnold
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And give them healthy diet tips.

 

Pork, the other white meat.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:10 | 6245335 Realname
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Bankers...the other white meat...and theyre kosher, too.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:56 | 6245867 JuliaS
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"Take one in the fanny, save money on a nanny."

- Doug Stanhope

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:44 | 6244456 thatthingcanfly
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Maybe they were just trying to wash the AIDS off of them?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:52 | 6244507 God
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God says: NO gays allowed in the Kingdom!

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:12 | 6244608 gladius17
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Four asshats downvoted God! OMG...you fools!

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:15 | 6244625 God
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ZH is the best place for me to compile my List.

I know who down votes or /sarc's me!

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:22 | 6244665 gladius17
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He's making his list and checking it twice, bitches! Repent!

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:30 | 6244704 e_goldstein
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Please tell me you're not Valerie Jarrett.

That would be... disturbing.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:39 | 6244769 Incubus
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God... I think you're a neat dude and all.

 

But, I don't think we have the same vision for the world.

 

 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:33 | 6245130 Billy the Poet
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Put the apple down and back away slowly.  Somebody, toss that guy a towel.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:36 | 6245166 DutchR
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Four years ago if you would ask me if God would visit ZH i would call you insane....

Lot has changed, not for the better.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:30 | 6245442 Pure Evil
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God may not exist but a cornucopia of corn holin's sure does.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:39 | 6245492 Statetheist
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God doesn't exist, so that's not really important.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:08 | 6244587 Kirk2NCC1701
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No shit.  Considering where they* stick their dicks, it's only fitting.

* Homo Erectus.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:40 | 6244775 Incubus
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I'll erect your homo

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:18 | 6244641 Cynicles
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Fire. It has to be with fire, not water.

That's what my neghbor tells me. 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:45 | 6244460 Senduko
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As long as gay people pay the same taxes as we do I couldn't care less. 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:47 | 6244476 JessieSharpton
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"As long as...."

In a real republic, with honest and productive citizens own land, there is no "gay pride".

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:50 | 6244497 Senduko
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Fuck gay pride, its not like as us straigts have a "straight pride" but I honestly can't be bothered with people who opbject gay people. 

 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 11:58 | 6244539 dogismycopilot
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I see the "White Straight Middle Class Guilt" program you are attending is doing a bang up job on you.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:03 | 6244563 Senduko
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Ignorance at its finest. Truly. 

You don't like other people telling you what to do, yet you want to dictate other people to live how you want. 

I have no guilt, I truly couldn't be bothered as said before. 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:08 | 6244575 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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This.

It's ironic that for all the "laws of nature" rhetoric of the right, they are obsessed with placing restrictions on the spontaneous urges all people come with.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:20 | 6244636 Billy the Poet
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But rights don't come from government. Rights are a natural part of being human. Gays have a right to be gay and a Christian baker has a right to sell them breakfast pastries but refuse to make them a wedding cake. The gays have demanded that government take away the natural rights of those who would not voluntarily associate with them. That's the problem.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:48 | 6244824 Kaervek
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The problem is that you put terms on people and try to categorize them. All you fucks are being played for fools, all this "discussion" surrounding gay rights and really any other controversial subject is just constructed to divide the population and make it easier to pass legislation against minorities. Republicans against democrats, divide and conquer. It's a nice ploy so you won't realize what's really going on and how it's going to impact you. Rant all you will about the next "controversial" subject, but keep in mind the really controversial stuff is happening behind closed doors and not in the mainstream media. You have been warned.

Now what about basic human rights and freedom in the US? People forgot what freedom means, the choice between 100 TV channels is not freedom. Maybe the fact that they were never free is the reason they don't want to grant any freedom to their next door neighbors. This is not how a community works though, that's why everyone is so miserable in this police state, deprived of any and all freedom and self-determination. Fuck this I'm outta here.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:05 | 6244871 Billy the Poet
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I'm still unclear on your intent.  Does government have a right to force you to associate with people with whom you'd rather not associate in the private rather than the public sphere?

I have no doubt that the elites use such wedge issues to make the little people fight amongst themselves but doesn't that put the onus on those who try to use government to force their views on others?  Isn't it those who petition the elites to use government force to compel Christians to participate in gay weddings who are playing into the hands of the elite by recognizing their authority and giving them the illusion of moral cover?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:12 | 6244989 Kaervek
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I don't believe in obeying corrupt governments, so you can all do as you damn well please. While christian bakers discriminate gays and lose out on the wedding cake profits (which is just stupid - they will eventually find someone else to bake that damn cake after all) the CIA is selling heroin to their own citizens to keep them silent. Your elected government is fucking you in the ass while you cry about someone's sexual preferences. This is called mindfucking. If you were to eliminate anything that's not "natural" you might aswell nuke the whole fucking planet because in my eyes there's a lot of unnatural shit going on.

What's the most "natural" religion?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:14 | 6245006 Billy the Poet
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I'm an atheist who would be happy to make profits on gay wedding cake sales. But that doesn't mean that I want to see people with a different opinion deprived of their rights.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:28 | 6245110 Kaervek
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I don't know exactly what you're referring to, is there a right to discriminate minorities which they want to take from you? How can they ever force you to bake a wedding cake you don't want to bake? What if you've just run out of cakes jesus christ?

 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:38 | 6245170 Billy the Poet
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"I don't know exactly what you're referring to...How can they ever force you to bake a wedding cake you don't want to bake? "

 

Christian bakers face $135K fine for refusing to make cake for gay wedding
Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:52 | 6245238 Kaervek
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Thanks for the link. The legal system really is a bitch. Nobody crying when another young black male is imprisoned for possession of a plant that grows naturally but now that for once some ignorant christians feel the pain there's a big scandal happening?

Maybe they shouldn't have told it to their faces seeing as it's illegal to discriminate customers in their state since 8 full years now. Maybe if you own a business you should read up some stuff about laws in your state and how to conduct business. Maybe just tell them they can't do it because too many cakes to bake still, I don't know. Couldn't care less about some delusional stuck-up christian idiots, does this make me spiteful? Maybe.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:57 | 6245265 Billy the Poet
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It means that you have fallen for the very "us versus them" game which you accuse others of promoting. It makes you not only a hypocrite but it also makes you vulnerable to the elites as you have a very convenient string to pull.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:12 | 6245342 Kaervek
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How come?

I didn't say it was just. I just don't feel empathy towards another lost soul anymore. The US legal system is broken, but if you still decide to participate maybe you should inform yourself instead of waiting for someone to sue you and feign ignorance afterwards?

They learned the hard way, sad story but there's countless of those around. Countless lives destroyed.

Would've been easier to just bake the cake and go to confession afterwards, 12 hail marys and it would've been a-alright.

Yes actually I don't think there should be a right to discriminate, not even for bakers. If you can't live with you should've become a priest not a baker.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:18 | 6245377 Billy the Poet
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So you insist that individuals must succumb to the vagaries of government while you simultaneously pronounce that you don't support government aggression?

There's no point in continuing this conversation.  Good luck.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:42 | 6245512 Kaervek
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Nobody is forced to start a business. It's your choice to open up yet another business instead of starting a revolution. The american dream.

Those people do jack shit to change things for the better for anyone, they only start crying once they get hit themselves somehow. Maybe Jesus will save them, god is great after all, right?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:16 | 6245363 El Vaquero
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Here is another one for you:

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-wont-review-new-mex...

 

Were I a photographier, yes, I would accept their FRNs.  My question is, why would you want somebody who thinks that your wedding shouldn't be allowed to photograph it anyway? 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:24 | 6245410 Kaervek
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I don't know. People are fucking stupid.

Still, if you decide to offer your services in the US you are also accepting to do business under US law. It's the first thing you learn in business school. If you want to discriminate you should start your biz in Uganda or something, but what do I know.

What if my religious beliefs prohibit me from paying taxes? Well fuck me I will still have to pay if I live here.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:52 | 6245571 El Vaquero
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The problem is that the laws are dumb and getting dumber.  The world is not all koombyah, but the laws are trying to make it look like it is. 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 18:44 | 6246660 ebear
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from the article:

“Under Oregon law, businesses cannot discriminate or refuse service based on sexual orientation, just as they cannot turn customers away because of race, sex, disability, age or religion."

One of the longest running arguments on ZH is for State's Rights.

ergo

It seems to me the people of Oregon have every right to enact and enforce such legislation and the balance of opinion here ought to weigh in their favor.

Now, if a Christian family were refused service in a gay-owned restaurant, I'd expect the people of Oregon to come down on them just as hard.

As usual in these "Christian" polemics, the real question is:

What would Jesus do?

I'm pretty sure He would have baked them a cake.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:02 | 6244918 LibertarianMenace
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Who's a fuck, but you? We know all about that shit you just described, yet it doesn't change the truth of what he said. We're aware of the problem pal, so i for one consider it half removed.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:16 | 6245014 Kaervek
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I might be a fuck but being aware doesn't change shit. Nothing is half removed as of yet. I'm happy you found a scapegoat but let me tell you even after you killed all the gays nothing will change for the better, you were just used to depopulate the planet a little and after that they will end you too. Or they will make you kill some more innocents.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:47 | 6245215 Billy the Poet
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So your definition of "scapegoat" is someone who fines you six figures if you refuse to particpate in a wedding?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:51 | 6245235 LibertarianMenace
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Awareness of a problem is always the first step in solving it, but I admit only the first step. What's a scapegoat? Really, you're going to have to help me out there. I'm not putting words in your mouth, so can I at least expect the same from you? Good. If you could read, the half removed comment is intended for those who are capable of commenting on the uneven respect given to individual rights by the state in this case (which is TRUE), all the while remaining aware of the motives of those lurking in the background: divide and conquer (which is also TRUE). I for one understand divide and conquer, but I don't see how that disqualifies someone from observing that the state considers some individuals "more equal than others". If it does, then that means your point is full of shit. Tell me you're not full 'o shit too?

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 13:58 | 6245271 Kaervek
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The only people "more equal than other" are the bankers, the politicians, the elite, the 0.1%. I don't get why you would think that gays truly have more rights than you have? In a court of law with a proper unbiased unbribed judge you should be able to expect the same treatment as any gay person.

To me it seems like you just hate them for some reason, which is sad.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:09 | 6245327 Billy the Poet
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This atheist thinks it's sad that you hate Christians. The vast majority of them are kind people.Why cut yourself off from potential allies because of your stereotypical views?

Are you aware that some Christian churches have promoted gay clergy and celebrated gay wedding for years?

Things are not as black and white as you seem to think. That's just one more reason why each individual's right to associate with those whom they chose is a necessary part of a decent life.  All individual have equal rights but not equal tastes.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 14:34 | 6245459 Kaervek
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I like you, I think you're right.

I don't hate christians, I just think they are delusional and mostly stupid. But that's just my opinion. Some celebrate gay weddings and some now need laws to enforce their right to discriminate those same gays. I just don't get it, that's what it is.

 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:15 | 6245536 LibertarianMenace
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It's divide and conquer that's what it is. The so called Bill of Rights won't be around much longer. But that's the idea.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:18 | 6245677 Billy the Poet
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"I like you, I think you're right."

You remind me of me many moons ago.

 

"But that's just my opinion .... I just don't get it, that's what it is."

 

And it's your right to not get it just like lots of folks simply can't wrap their minds around the idea that two men or two women could possibly be married. And just as you should not be forced to attend a church service, no one else should be forced into promoting or endorsing what they find to be objectionable.

Looks like we're getting somewhere and that's good. The elites bleed just a little bit every time an individual thinks rationally.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 15:21 | 6245487 LibertarianMenace
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"seems" enough said. So sell it elsewhere. I'm fond of feedback, though, and when an error is measured, the swifter and stronger the correcting signal, the better. This should also be true for individuals and their choices. Do what you, as an individual wish, just don't come crying to me to help pay for your mistakes. As all this egalitarianism continues, I'll just end up subsidizing more errors of others. So, like illegal aliens receiving benefits they haven't earned, the ever growing class of those subsidized, to me at least, are more equal. You'll notice that also includes bankers.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 16:06 | 6245900 nevertheless
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I think I agree with you, unless you consider gay rights an avenue to a "class of those subsidized".

I totally agree with the idea that we are being divided. the media plays one against another:

You have the case of the murders in South Carolina, first it is used to paint ALL Southerners are racists, then it is used to paint the north as people who think all Southerners are racists, I hope you catch my meaning there.

The powers that be are very good at manipulating the people, they have been at it long enough. Look at 9/11, it is obviously built on lines. But try and say it was a lie right after 9/11 happened, no one would dare. And  that is EXACTLY why they did it, and will do it again. Americans don't think they react. And each time something like gay rights are enacted, or some heinous act like the murders in South Carolina happens, the powers that be will use that event to divide us and manipulate us.

I am gay, but before that I am an American, a human and a lover of this planet. I hate illegal immigration, even more than I do feminism (feminism is a great example oft he  be taking a good thing and turning it into a weapon on division) because these are tools of division. illegal immigration is weapon, but because of people don't think first, they lump illegal immigrants, gays, feminists, blacks altogether, which is exactly what they want them to do.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 16:35 | 6246013 LibertarianMenace
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Individual choice has its consequences. Whether or not the state interferes with an individual accepting them is the question. We're square as long as we both agree that we should be willing to bear the costs of our choices - also as individuals. So for example, don't come crying to me for healthcare subsidies. The same already goes for smokers, drinkers, illegals, whatever - I'm all out.

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 16:13 | 6245921 nevertheless
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Good for you for trying o stand up to the bullies, they do so well in their anonymity. You will note not much in the way of reason in their arguments,at least not reason that would stand up to scrutiny. They live in a world where their beliefs are the ONLY beliefs, their truths are the only truths and their morals are the only morals.

But it is indeed entertaining to hear bigots trying to argue in the abstract. That to say, arguing against a "gay agenda", that, as far as I know does not exist, and I registered as gay, so I should be getting the new letter.

It is indeed sad that people get so worked up when a group of US CITIZEN get the same rights a they, then argue, its about an "agenda", anything to justify tier hate.

 

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:50 | 6244837 JessieSharpton
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"

"But rights don't come from government. Rights are a natural part of being human. Gays have a right to be gay "

I see no where in nature where homosexuality is created by "natural law". The anus is an outflow pipe and two women cannot make a child.
If natural law is God than being a butt pirate isn't natural, it is disruptive to natural law.

"Christian baker has a right to sell them breakfast pastries"

Don't leave out the gentile blood jew boi!

Sun, 06/28/2015 - 12:58 | 6244889 Kaervek
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There is no god, what the fuck are you rambling on about?

I can stick my dick in any pipe I damn well please and I will continue doing so. Anal sex is not reserved for gays, so your argument is completely retarded. Those christian priests who believe in god and natural law are the worst pedo gay anal rapists ever encountered on the face of this planet, so you can stick god up your anus.

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