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Ignoring Tsipras Plea For Calm, Greeks Storm ATMs, Stores, Gas Stations
Just a few hours ago Greek PM Tsipras addressed his nation imploring then to "remain calm" and reassuring them that their "deposits were safe." It appears the Greeks did not believe him. Many were wondering where the Greek bank lines were for the past several months. Turns out the local depositors were merely waiting until just after the last minute to withdraw their funds... horde gas... and stack food. Greece, it appears is Venezuela - the new socialist paradise.
Tsipras implored: "Keep Calm...."
They did not listen...
Call that an ATM line...
Now THIS is an ATM line...
This ia an ATM queue in the centre of Athens now #Greece #Greferendum pic.twitter.com/lx12DYnJIW
— Loukia Gyftopoulou (@loukia_g) June 28, 2015
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— Kosmas Themelis (@kosmasthem) June 28, 2015
How Greece looks like after capital control announcement by SYRIZA-ANEL #europe #euro #Eurozone #EuropeanUnion pic.twitter.com/x6nK9951H1
— Poseidon (@Kons_u) June 28, 2015
#ATM#thessaloniki#greece#krisis pic.twitter.com/Ly4g8B0Paj
— ????? ? (@sissy_mitr) June 28, 2015
Lines outside ATM in #Thessaloniki this evening via @gatosg. #greece #athens #Greferendum #dimopsifisma pic.twitter.com/phf1050KMG
— Omaira Gill (@OmairaGill) June 28, 2015
ATM queues growing by the hour in #Greece. #euro #GreeceCrisis pic.twitter.com/IYx9KAyr2n
— New Europe Investor (@neweuropeinvest) June 28, 2015
Even at the airports...
Resending this as there is at least one other ATM with cash at athens airport out of shot. I've joined the line. pic.twitter.com/EuoIcj9afb
— Elliott Gotkine (@ElliottGotkine) June 28, 2015
And gas stations are overwhelmed...
Scene at the petrol station near my hotel. Busy, certainly. but not manic. #Greece #euro pic.twitter.com/zEODyhbkHk
— John Hooper (@john_hooper) June 27, 2015
As grocery stores and general appliance stores come under seige...
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— ???????????????????? (@LPapastergiou) June 28, 2015
We have seen this before - in Russia recently as the Ruble collapsed and citizens spent any and every piece of currency they had on 'assets'.
The great news for Greece is that GDP for Q2 will be sent soaring.
Simply put - it's all about inflation expectations. And unlike The Fed or The BoJ, who keep trying to jawbone higher expectations into their citizens' minds, the Greek government may have achieved it implicitly through devaluation expectations and with it - a spending spree before things get more expensive and implicitly a surge in GDP. Of course, however, the spending surge can only be short-term and will stop as soon as there are no more euros to spend.
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All debt is odious.
Then all debt can be renounced - hussah!
A society is only three meals away from anarchy.
nope, wrong, not 3. it is 1day & half, real sentence is 9 meals, which is 3 days. because it is paired with water body resistence.
Tell that to a brother when y'all ain't got any chips or Twinkies
No shit that brother never been in the hood.. Go volunteer at a church in the hood hand out food, they be entitled to dat' food, wheres the twinkies?? America will go feral so fast, if I have to help you at this point your on your own.
long skittles and tea
One week pets, two weeks long pig.
A really short time frame, if you think about it.
And meanwhile, across the pond on a stone first described, if we are to accept the cannons of history, by a Mr. Vespucci, the institionally conditioned to kill natives are growing restless .....
People, you are the leader of your country by law. You represent the "ownership" of your sovereign - you "grant" all authorities and you can void those grants.
Politicians are not leaders. They are employed by "owner ship", that be you, to manage and execute ownership's authorities.
Again, that be you, aka the collective commonly referenced as the "commons" The commons owns the eart and everything on it.
Americans own every brick stone road and buildings all levels of government and the so called infrastructures of their institutions of government. Civil and uniformed services are your empl oyees, You may be surpassed to know that most of your employees realize this and will stand with you.
Very soon we will be teetering on the approaching "tipping point".
We,the people need to consider the following as the "teeter" begins::
1) Since we own and finance all the infrastructure and real assets resign within the United states (ddss are grants of title". We own the the land, everything under and above it. We have "eminent domain".. A "deed" does not transfer eminent domain. We must accept the logic that any restoration of the republic should be considered in the context that we paid for it and need to protect it. The "burn it down" approach is a path to be avoided to the extent we can.
In any conflict the best strategy is one that offers criminals, and treason suspects safe passage and protection from the butchery and slow broiling on the roosting spits over the metaphoric embers of previous "restorations" flame fannings inducing the Phoenix to hatch and take flight. Typically, the only alternative used has always been a slitting of the traitor's throat to a symphony of screams from their children and loved ones begging the Devil for the mercy of hel and quick deathl in the last moments as life's wine gushes out of a traitors' wounded throat.
The warrior prefers a winner, not a fighter.
Pray the traitor and criminal have the good fortune to have retained some vestige of their survival instinct.
2) Any manifest would needs to include a less tragic outcome for criminals and traitors with the hope they understand that an ignorance of reality cannot avoid the consequences of ignorance.
The republics authorities for expenditures to maintain the republics infrastructures and enforce the rule of law is serviced by the republic's rank and file civil and uniformed service employees. This includes all branches of government at all levels, Federal to Precinct, through referendum.
3) Political service should be like jury duty, an obligation, not a profession.
The money changers barking like midway carny snake oil pitchmen on the steps of our temples of government. the treason, the criminal bastardization of our constitution has been by our political class employees and those who fill the bagman's bag with the little joys of depravity to buy the treason.
The commons implores you to save yourself from an unavoidable final consequence.
The commons, could offer to repeal capitol punishment, providing:
4) The last authorizations serviced by our current so called representatives provide for the following:
4 a) They pass bills to authorize our rank and file employees to delegate a group from each retained agencies' (sorry DHS, CIA,NSA - other agencies used to constitutionally service what ever you guys do, and within the bounds of the rule of law - in fact all employees in those agencies, and others, may need to be considered as so-called co-conspirators) to be assigned to a provisional governance structure until the restoration is completed and ownership can decide on a more direct method to assign those to be entrusted with it's authorizations. Term limited, direct democracy. Drafting. like jury duty,.
4 b) The Federal Reserve, IRS, Income Tax, direct election of senators is a wealth extraction canard to extort, through the ruse of false flag's and other crimes, ownership's, aka the commons, wealth and redistribute it to a few powerful criminal and treasonous enterprises. The commons should determine, through referendum, to keep or scrap those institutions.
4 c) All so called political class employees would resign when those last bills are signed into law, surrender their passports, titles, assets and licenses and submit to house arrest until such time, as determined through referendum, restoration of the republic is completed and a constitutional finding can determine the the extent, if any, of their participation in what looks to be a conspiracy to sell out the republic and, instead, replace it with an organizing principle more akin to Mussolini's description of fascism, than the principle of rule of law our founders formalized in our constitution.
4 d) Paper ballots, the original retained by the voter, and duplicate retained by the counting authority is the only way to go,
5) It's the common's failures, that allowed the republic to be delivered to the brink of destruction. We accept that, and we accept the fact that we now have to service our obligations set forth in the "Declaration of Independence". We could have prevented it. The less tedious - less demanding alternatives have passed us by.
We must evaluate proposals to answer the call of our obligation. Be it civil bloodless and organized, or an orgy of death and destruction, we ave no alternatives on the table. We've run out of time. We are left with our final obligation, and it places no limitations on how we answer its call.
We can only hope the conspirators have a grasp of reality and have retained some genetic will to survive. They can surrender to a criminal process or they bleed to death on a pillow of their dissembowled viscera as they fade from life to an opera of screams from loved begging for the mercy of hell for a quick death they'll never get.
The commons is now obliged to deliver them to the path they choose.
This is Our Land. We must respond to a "blood obligation" - the first whisper to repeal eminamt domain wll be the day we enamel Our Land with the blood of a small useless and genetically worthless criminal gang of traitors.
Dear Bankster Welfare Queens, Our CSPAN Dandies and Lobbyist Pimps working the K-Street midway leading to the kiddie brothels,
Save yourselves. Look out your window - imagine 300 million genetic assholes institutionally conditioned to kill knocking down your door. There is no way out. You can either jack off in a jail cell based on rule of law or be bled like a pig - and believe me baby - it hurt real bad.
"And not a peep on BBC, CNN or any other msm news site"..."
They know they can't compete with ZH so why bother. Amazing work this weekend Tylers. We are grateful.
I just find it funny actually.
"Live at Five! I fuck a Donkey! And he returns the favor! Back to you at HQ!"
I didn't know shit about finance in '07. I do now, plenty, thanks to the Tylers. I didn't know what was going down back then, but this time around it's absolutely fascinating.
Thanks to the Tylers! Huzzah!
"It's just Greece" and then "It's just Portugal" and then "It's just Spain" and then "It's just Italy" then...
The sheeple in the U.S. won't worry until the banks in England shut down.
Not even then. The US is full of dumb MF'ers.
Won't worry??? What percentage of Americans have any idea what's going on in Greece and/or care (or would even understand if it were explained to them)?
PR just went Jubilee today...trying to jump in front of Greece.
There could be a massive exit this week among all the rest...wow!
I've read about $50T in Greek derivatives out there...so there must be nearly $100T in-play this week if others go bust...easy.
Smells fishy to me. It's a timing thing...
Let the slaves panic for a few days then they'll vote for EU austerity with open arms.
The Spice must flow...
No Bob, this can't be fixed, someone has to lose.
There ae too many promises made to too few things to fulfil those promises with.
The story of derivatives.
+1. Bingo! I've been saying for weeks: BEWARE OF MAIDAN II.
The Greek Gov, it's police and security agencies MUST front-run the likes of Nuland and the CIA, to prevent the Balkanization of yet another country that us anything but a total bitch/vassal of the Neo-feudal Globalist Imperialist Neocons.
just heard from my friend in greece and he thinks this is all happening to get ppl scared into accepting austerity
Must.control.the.panicked.crowds.
"Nigel, I am afraid this may spread."
It is OK, guv'ner, I gassed up the Rolls."
I wonder if credit cards still work. if so, not for long.
Triple terror attacks and pride parades and rulings Are much sexier than defaults to news media sadly!
"And not a peep on BBC, CNN or any other msm news site"
Exactly ! They won't shine a light on Obutholes socialist economic model in Europe.
The left stream media won't say what any intellegent person already knows - socialism always fails and Keynesian economics don't work either...
Urgent appeal to Greeks! Trust your leader. If every one tries to run and hide then what did you learn from your miseries? I know it is easier said than done, so forgive me for saying that.
If the worse has to happen then you will have to build that trust anyways ... so start building it now. Blame your oligarchs before you blame outsiders before you have taken your share of blame. You will not be alone .. I will do whatever I can . Hope this waterboarding ends in a better way.
Obviously you don't get Euro News, which they do get in Greece which is telling them that the banks are "likely" to be closed on Monday and to expaect capital controles. The EU and IMF have designed and are directing the desaster as far as possible and by all means.... Cyprus was the test, this is the real thing Next Spain, then Italy.
All them media cocksuckers are at the Queer parade with Obama annd the SCOTUS 5.
"Bitch Better Have My Money...Don't act like you forgot"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQW2FFt3-A8
you hit the nail right on the head msm not a peep not surprising though when they are only serving the goverment narrative
Euro slammed big time at the open, the question is...who is brave enough to sell it?
Who owns all that debt yielding nothing again?
No wait...who has been BUYING all that euro denominated debt driving the value to nosebleed levels and interest rates to zero????????
SATAN???????
Its on now...ohhh yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Igui65gY5M
>> Greece, it appears is ...- the new socialist paradise.
That's bit premature. Check back in a year, we haven't seen any socialism yet.
True socialism doesn't appear until the toilet paper runs out.
Shitty.
Anyone notice that every socialist country has lines of people?
You figure they would take their cue from the US and just issue EBT cards...
oh the socialists have cards, too... there's just nothing on the shelves
I agree, just look at Walmart!
Socialism, lol. This is the end result of capitalism. It's how Monopoly always ends.
Odd, why are they not snapping up moar stock...
I don't know who's more comical, the people panicking or the guy in the suit saying, "Remain calm."
His exact words were "Remain calm and stay in your seats while we lock the door and throw away the key."
Keep calm, and carry on, your shoulders, everything you can get you hands on.
Theres bound to be, at least, a few smart people in Greece who had prepared for this shitstorm. Its not as if its not been in the works for years, now.
Maybe ISIS gets another headline or maybe the scotus will allow human and beast marriages next. The economic collapse will not be televised.
very well said!
What are you talking about. The Choom King is married to the Wookie ain't he?
To busy chirping about 2 fugitives on the run. Beating it to death. Throw in gay marriage and flag.
I knew 2 guys who were B-17 flyers shot down over Germany. One escaped twice and was captured, not shot. He sucessfully escaped on his 3rd try.
The other guy tried several times, the germans were pretty rough on him after a few tries, but he died here in USA.
So, why did this unarmed escapee need to be shot? Execution is the penalty for resistance? What crap. 1000s' of cops searching and he maybe found a pointed stick to use as a weapon?
GTFO!!!
shiny objects and squirrels EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK!
Now where did I put my issues?
"so you wanna be part of the European Union aye......?"
Get to work Ben
Were we given the choice after the Lisbon Treaty? It is just an Autocracy of the NWO capital and banking elite.
So people really weren't prepared at all? I mean why line up for hours at an ATM? The daily withdrawal limit is what? Is it really enough to make a difference? Also do credit cards work during a banking holiday? I would think no, but if you are shutting down credit cards and money transfers you shut down the economy. If you don't then cash mules will storm in and electronic transfers will storm out.
Sixty euro's is the limit.
Of course if you're not being paid "you have a riot instead."
This will spread all over Europe I might add...probably quite quickly.
You get sixty Euros of your money out a day. Tomorrow those sixty Euros are worthless when the EU refuses to honour them. Why else are Greek Euros given special serial numbers?
in eurozone it is not daily withdraw, it is weekly limit, definied by options of your account and also how much you earn.
normal population 700-1500€ /week.
problem is not withdraw limit, it is amount of withdraw drying the atms.
How the Greeks must feel...
I can't seem to face up to the facts
I'm tense and nervous and I
Can't relax
I can't sleep 'cause my bed's on fire
Don't touch me I'm a real live wire
You start a conversation you can't even finish it.
You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything.
When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed.
Say something once, why say it again?
Road to nowhere, psychokiller ? :)
Better RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN- AWAY. . .
Preparing just one SECOND to late, means you will likely go without...
Tsipras they trust, it's the assholes in the EU they don't trust not to steal their money.
probably just people lining up to make deposits
I love the smell of Tear Gas in the Evening.
I'm in Canada and I'm doing what they're doing starting tomorrow.
Also in Canada, I have been manically chopping, splitting and stacking firewood this spring and summer, dunno what else to do plus I enjoy it so I figure I might as well go for it. I have a delivery of logs coming this week, its more cumbersome than gold, silver or cash and heavier but at least it keeps me happy.
Ive said for years that having plenty of food and firewood are better than money in the bank.
Are you a pilot?
Costco has those big boxes of Quaker Oatmeal for less than $10. There are two bags in a box. One person can have breakfast for six months on a bag (my Mom took six months to use up a bag), so less than $10 feeds one person breakfast for a year. Buy each member of your family a box, buy the needed buckets and lids to store the bags, and that's breakfast taken care of for you and yours for a year.
Get some more buckets. Fill them with bags of rice. One 8lb bag per person, cost is $10 to $15 cdn. That should last each person a year. Make it two bags just to be sure.
That's breakfast and the carbs for dinner for $40 per person in your family. Add in the cost of buckets and lids. And this can be stored in dead space under the basement stairs or in a spare closet.
If you live in a warm climate like me plant Maringa, you are going to need vitamines with thoses empty carbs . Your advice is soild.
I consume one big box each month myself because I really love eating oatmeal. 15 years ago it was less than $3 a box at Costco.
Put the rice in the freezer for at least 48 hours before storing. You don't want to have any bug a boos eating on your rice while you thought it was safely stored. Same for beans. Vaccum seal if you have the means, or by Mylar bags that you can seal with hair straightener or iron. Place a couple oxygen savers inside before sealing and you will be good to go!
Exactly right, and before you seal the bucket, put a chunk of dry ice in it to displace any oxygen so and bug eggs can't hatch.
Don't forget PLENTY of spices, Tabasco Sauce, etc. for the rice & beans du jour.
Everyone, please stay calm !!!
No problem with euros.
Please no lines !!
The latest footage...............
https://youtu.be/DDT_IBk7hAA
So this is how fast these things can happen. Just saying.
Yeah, it's only been a matter of years.....
How did you go broke?
Two ways, gradually, and then all at once.
true, it's been thousands of steps to get here, but that last step's a doozy...
If it's anything like the U.S., most jobs require direct deposit into a bank account.
No check for you to cash instead of deposit (in other words, no choice).
The bank gets your money before you do, how convenient!
... aaaaaand if it's anything like the US, you can set up autopayments via credit card and/or direct withdrawal
I can't remember the last time I wrote a check for anything, frankly
Wasn't that when you posted bail for urinating in public?
hell, I didn't even have to write a check for your mom... come to think of it, she was free
Now they are going for fuel? Amateurs.... He who panics first panics best.
I'd like to get a 55 gallonn drum to fill with gasoline, but for now, I always keep my jerry cans full. 10 gallons plus whatever is in the tank will get me to any of my potential bugout locations.
It's here! It's finally fucking here!
We've waited half a decade for this. It's finally fucking here!!!
OMG I should take off work tomorrow. It's here man. I'm so excited I could damn near shit the bed assuming I didn't do it already.
Here comes the nuclearpowered aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt.
US Marines start pouring into Cyprus...
The EU banksters must be loving the panic they have caused thinking that they will force the Greeks to vote YES anything, anything, is better than this... please make it stop
If the BRIICS (especially R and C) don't want to "Let a crisis go to waste", they'd better move faster than Nuland and the CIA are moving.
This is one of those times when Actions truly speak louder than Words and biz deals with a long lead time.
tick tock, BRICS.
I just got back from withdrawing $186 from the atm to pay for a dept store charge card tomorrow in cash. I hope $186 doesn't trigger a terrist alert.
Paid off the 3 y.o. minivan, and got the Title last week. Big :-)
Keep it as long as possible captain, every month you don;t pay that note is a bonus for you.
I love my 2002 Sierra. Still runs as good as when I bought it.
Baaaaaa. Baaaaaa. Baaaaaaa. Baaaaaaaaaaaa........
Now who would have ever guessed this would be the result of electing communists?
oh, never mind .....
I thought better of it. See, I'm improving, Tyler
I'm thinking the process won't be quite as orderly when this action hits the U.S.
that's because by the time you see "action" like this in the US, the rest of the world will be much worse off...
Trusting any government is like trusting El Diablo.
I'm sure the ECB is shopping greek bank AU reserves.
"Keep calm and carry on"? No talk about moving into the
"bright, sunlit uplands"? Churchill would mark him down.
Probably compounded by July's monthly bank deposits of Pension and Salary deposits going in accounts at June month end.
Probably compounded by July's monthly bank deposits of Pension and Salary deposits going in accounts at June month end.
Looking at these pictures I now realize there may be no hope for humanity against banksters afterall....if people are that dumb to wait for the LAST F***ING second(stupidity or blind hope, not really sure what to call it anymore) in order to secure their wealth then they deserve not just to lose their money(if it comes to that) but to be ruled by their monetary kings where they slave for survival! We deserve to be ruled as sheep from the looks of it.
IMO, our ice age, cave man ancestors were smarter than we are. Then again, the dumb ones probably didn't survive too long.
This proves, without shadow of a doubt, that there are waaaaay too many ignoramuses in the world for humanity to take back control from the big boys. These people are what you'd call psychologically lazy and have surrendered their instincts which should tell them that there is danger lurking. And here they are, after ALL that has been going on...: "I can't be bothered going to the bank and withdrawing cash. It'll probably work out". It's about time people start taking responsibility for their damn lives. When you see this stuff in Greece, imagine how many of these there are around the globe. No wonder those in control can reign and exactly decide which direction we are heading.
yet another data point to prove the theory that humans are the dumbest species on the planet
AWWW YEAH BABY, PARTY LIKE IT'S 2007
*hip thrusts*
It disgusts me to read this grossly misleading label of "socialism." It annoys me when articles use such ridiculous language:
"Socialist" is a misleading label, whose dictionary definition has nothing in common with the existing systems, which are primarily the result of a core of triumphant organized crime, surrounded by layers of controlled opposition.
There has never been anything remotely close to the dictionary definition of "socialism" actually existing in any significant countries, anywhere in the world, at any time. Rather there is ONLY ONE SYSTEM, and that is the system based upon the principles and methods of organized crime, which surrounds itself with bullshit spouted by the opposition groups that it controls, which groups use language that is deliberately misleading. There exists an oligarchally controlled fascist plutocracy, where the greatest source of the wealth of those plutocratic banksters was due to their ability to have persistently applied the methods of organized crime in order to control governments to enforce frauds by privately controlled banks.
Such misuse of language, as to blame "socialism" or any other superficial label, makes better resolutions of the real problems practically impossible, because FIRST that would take facing the real social facts, which are that the existing sociopolitical systems were always based on the principles and methods of organized crime, and SECOND, it is impossible for anything else to actually exist but that. The ONLY things that actually exist are the dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies. Political processes should work towards maintaining better dynamic equilibria. However, the degree to which the bigggest and best organized gangs of criminals have been able to dominate civilization, and control their opposition, means that we tend to have nothing but bullshit language, originated by the biggest bullies, used to discuss what is happening, in ways which may appear superficially correct, but which are actually profounding wrong.
It is one of the most common kinds of misleading bullshit that appears on Zero Hedge to blame "socialism," or some other superficial lablel. That kind of use of language usually both deliberately ignores the dictionary definition of those terms, as well as even more deliberately ignores the actual social facts. Greece is merely one of the symbolic leading edges of the systems of DEBT SLAVERY, driving themselves through to become debt insanities.
That DEBT SLAVERY was made and maintained by the international banksters, as the best organized gangsters. Furthermore, if one attempt to seriously understand those social facts, then one has to deal with how and why human civilizations necessarily operate according to the principles and methods of organized crime. In that context, OF COURSE, most of the language used to discusss political problems is BULLSHIT originally developed by the biggest bullies, which are now primarily the banksters, and which is repeated by the controlled opposition groups.
In my view, that kind of pathetically mistaken language, which superficially blames "socialism" for the problems that Greeks are having, is the result of disgusting controlled opposition, which is no less disgusting due to the degree that it may well not understand the degree to which it is being controlled:
"The absolute best controlled opposition is
one that doesn't know they are controlled."
-- Cognitive Dissonance
Anyone who uses the label "socialism" in ways that have nothing to do with that word's dictionary definition, and even less to do with the actual social facts, is pathetic and disgustingly controlled opposition.
just STFU
Like, wow man, take a chill pill and just go with the flow dude.
Oh, by the way, Dave's not here man!
Come on Pure Evil...
This is right up yer alley...Death, Destruction, PURE EVIL...
Come and see the show...
From Emerson Lake and Palmer enjoy some Karn Evil 9
First Impression, Part II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwSTe9uit48
(My favorite is the 2nd Impression...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpkSnfBNzT0
Awwwwwwww...
Two people do not like that it is headed to the USA.
They want to continue to support the FRAUD and the CORRUPTION as they are so heavily invested into it.
Awwwwwwww.....
Well too fucking bad.
This is the destruction that you have wrought upon yourselves and everybody else YOU FRAUDULENT AND CORRUPTED FUCKS.
Pleeeeeeeeeze continue your SUPPORT. Your Government needs your support to VALIDATE and JUSTIFY what they are doing to you.
And remember this too folks...Financial Support is SUPPORT.
You bought it and you will suffer the consequential DESTRUCTION as a result of YOUR PERSONAL DECISIONS.
Here we go again, another socialist moron defending socialism. Greece could have stiffed the Troika and gone back to the Drachma, but even those commie idiots Tsipras and very-fake-ass were smart enough to know that even with their debt completely erased, the Greek government would still be BANKRUPT! Get it? Since you don't like the term socialism, let me give you a clear definition of what we are talking about: PEOPLE FEEDING AT THE PUBLIC TROUGH. The FSA: the FREE SHIT ARMY! Get it? Saddling the taxpayer with supporting a bunch of lazy government loafers and welfare swindlers. Thet's what we mean when we say socialism.
The fish rots from the head to the tail, and that takes time.
You are completely mistaken, fiftybagger, if you thought I was "defending socialism." Rather, I was asserting that mostly such labels are deliberately misleading, since they tend to be publicly used in ways which have nothing to do with either their dictionary definitions, nor the existing social facts! Furthermore, you also are more and more mistaken regarding the roles of "taxpayers" inside of the runaway DEBT SLAVERY SYSTEMS.
Zero Hedge also tends to misuse that term "taxpayers" too! That kind of language is perennially misleading whenever it refers to "taxpayers." The ONLY thing that "taxpayers" do inside of the long-established MADNESS of the Money As Debt system is appear to underwrite the creation of the public "money" supply out of nothing as debts. Furthermore, that appearance of underwriting the MAD "money" becomes more of merely a sham, and less of a reality, every day, due to the runaway nature of that overall MAD debt slavery system driving numbers which become debt insanities.
Historically, it was relatively more correct to say that the "taxpayers" were backing up the fiat "money" made out of nothing as debts by privately controlled banks, due to being forced to pay their taxes using that kind of legal tender. Once upon a time, long ago, when the runaway debt slavery systems had not yet generated numbers which were debt insanities, then the "taxpayers" were more actually underwriting the issuance of the public "money" supply as government enforced frauds by privately controlled banks. However, since 1971, in the USA, the issuance of that public "money" supply, as the world's reserve currency, was no longer connected to anything in the material world, and therefore, that MAD "money" was able to launch off on a nearly perfect match to an exponential function.
The creation of the European Union, with its Euro, was another one of the banksters' projects, whose longer term goals were to consolidate their hegemony over European countries, with the end goal being to force through a financial union, which would be dominated by the international bankers. (The similarlities of the European Union to the old Soviet Union are due to the underlying ways that covert organized crime was behind both processes ... and they might eventually backfire in similar ways?)
Anyway, the point is that it is now relatively RIDICULOUS to assert that the "taxpayers" will "pay" for anything inside of the overall runaway MAD "money" system. The background problem is that the parameters of the MAD "money" system have become amplified to such astronomically amplified sizes that it is no longer possible to fully comprehend that, except as abstract numbers, which make no physical sense, because those numbers exist in a virtual world of electronic frauds, backed by the threat of force from atomic bombs, so that those numbers are now RIDICULOUSLY beyond the physical realities of the flesh and blood people, and even beyond the physical realities of the legal fictions of corporations being included into that.
Most discussions of "taxpayers" paying the bills have become based upon nostalgic nonsense, that still presumes that somehow the political economy makes physical sense, and is based upon production. However, the actual existing situation is that the political economy is now almost totally dominated by government enforced frauds by privately controlled banks, so that there are RIDICULOUS ratios in the real relationships between the MAD "money" versus the rest of the physical world.
In that context, it is now almost impossible to judge what kind of corrections would take place in the physical economy of Greece, if it was cut off from the Euro, and the overall globalized frauds of the international banksters. The fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems that dominate the world so totally at the present time are so extremely psychotic in the degree to which they are out of touch with relatively objective physical realities as to be practically impossible to estimate what could be be the magnitudes of their corrections.
The basic way to understand "taxpayers" inside of the runaway MAD Money As Debt systems is that they have behaved like incompetent political idiots, or Zombie Sheeple, so much, for so long, that they have gradually become more and more irrelevant to the world of political economy, wherein there are globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs. That is what actually EXISTS, and those are the reasons why "taxpayers" no longer actually pay for much of anything anymore, other than through morbid psychological and political habits continuing to sustain the appearance that they are underwriting the issuance of the public "money" supply out of nothing as debts, by theoretically being obliged to pay their taxes using that form of legal tender.
As usual with the comments that I pass the time amusing myself with by posting on Zero Hedge, there is no practical point to my discussing those social facts regarding the MADNESS of the established monetary systems, because the vast majority of people will continue to want to believe in the bullshit about that MAD "money" system, rather than think through the degree to which that system has become psychotic runaway criminal insanity, since it was always based upon the successful application of the methods of organized crime through the political processes, in order that the biggest gangsters, the banksters, could capture control over the powers of government, and thereby achieve their astonishing privilege of being able to make the public "money" supply out of nothing as debts, while governments continued to enforce that frauds.
The background to the problems Greeks have are due to them joining the European Union, and adopting the Euro, in ways that then enabled their corrupt ruling classes, with the help of banksters like Goldman Sachs, to indulge in making as much "money" out of nothing as possible, given their recent adoption of the Euro, (which then may well have been wasted through paying for things which could be superficially mislabeled as "socialism.") However, NONE of that would be possible without the fundamental systems being DEBT SLAVERY! The ONLY things that actually exist are based upon organized crime. All other political labels are misleading, because that was the language developed to conceal the social facts, rather than reveal those social facts.
IF Greece "stiffed the Troika" then the Greeks are attempting to stiff the globalized systems of DEBT SLAVERY BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS. The majority of Greeks are justifiably afraid of doing that. Resisting the best organized gangs of criminals, the international banksters, is extremely dangerous, since they will tend to do whatever it takes to make an example of that situation by demonstrating that that does NOT WORK.
The banksters are quite capable of pouring money in to fund any groups within Greece that will disrupt things! The vast majority of people do not fully understand that, but rather, the situation that currently exists could only exist because the vast majority of people are profoundly ignorant of the real social facts. Many people may intuitively understand that, but there is no generally understood public language that can be used to articulate those intuitions. Instead, almost all the language used in the public spaces is bullshit, which is deliberately misleading, and which therefore, makes resolving the real problems politically impossible. Inside of the political economy controlled by private banks able to make the public "money" supply out of nothing as debts for everyone else, that DEBT SLAVERY is necessarily driven towards becoming debt insanities. The "taxpayers" have become mostly irrelevant inside of systems where the public "money" supply is controlled by the banksters.
That use of language is pathetically stupid, due to having nothing in common with the dictionary definition, and nothing in common with the actual social facts. That demonstrates that you are another one of the Zombie Sheeple. The "socialism" of the "free shit army" is the result of the tail of the fish rotting, long, long after the head went rotten. You have REVERSED the cause and effect! That is because you are mostly perceiving everything BACKWARDS, but do not recognize that ...
It seems it is you who are caught up on terminology. I don't care what you call it, I don't care what THEY call it. All I care about is what they are doing and what they call themselves. The usage of words is politically a way to direct our mind away from their actions and towards something completely different. Socialism could be god's gift to the world, but if the devil shows up and calls himself a socialist.....I'm against it! We can embrace different ideologies for their theory and potentials, but we all know the problem is people. Like my dad always told me, no matter how great something may be, there will always be someone who will screw it up for everyone.
Even communism saw this as the problem which is why the tried to reeducate or murder everyone who didn't fall in line. Every damned one of our potential leaders see themselves and a greater central government as the answer and we continue to act as sheep, reinforcing their negative perceptions of us.
This is life on this planet
Yes, Oldwood, it only takes one individual willing and able to be violent, and then, everyone else has to deal with that, with the only effective ways to cope being responding in kind, i.e., the history of warfare.
A democratic republic operating through the rule of law was supposed to be a way that the People could collectively protect themselves from the few who were violent, by paying for police and prisons, or paying for armies, etc. ... However, there is no theoretical solution to the political problem identified in Plato's Republic as "Who will guard the guardians." The answer is nobody!
Rather, the sociopolitical systems supposed to protect people from the psyhopaths end up being dominated and controlled by the psychopaths. The government should be the best organized gang, that is of the people, by the people, and for the people. However, what has actually happened is there has ended up being government of the money, by the money, for the money. I.e., all the powers of governments which are supposed to protect the People and uphold their rights and freedoms have actually ended up serving the banksters, and thus, working through debt slavery systems to destroy the rights and freedoms of the People.
It was a tragic flaw in almost all of the constitutions of the world, which has allowed the public money supply to become privatized. The results have been vicious spirals of debt slavery, driven towards debt insanities. The are no final solutions, because the problems are perpetual, due to chronic events inherent in the nature of life. Theoretically, the only back-up systems now are natural selection, manifesting as the decline and fall of civilization.
The established systems of government are now too totally corrupted and crazy to be able to fix themselves. The vicious spirals of the funding of politics have driven society to become terminally sick and insane. Not enough people are able to understand the situation, while too many have developed faith in the combined money/murder systems, and therefore, work to up-hold those systems.
I agreed with your overview Oldwood. There is nothing new about society being dominated by the biggest bullies, and their bullshit. The only thing which is new is the progress in physical science. Since that is the situation, my conclusion is that it now seems more than 99% guaranteed that the human species is going to commit collective suicide. It is practically impossible to have any rational public debates about any important issues. Therefore, the situation is that the world continues to be controlled by backing up deceits with destruction, and enforcing frauds, while progress in physical science has enabled that to become trillions of times worse than ever before in human history.
Human beings use langauge to tell stories about their world, which then guide their behavior. The language that now dominates civilization is pretty well 100% bullshit, while it is practically impossible to do anything to change that. As you stated:
That is life on our planet ... for now, but that combination of civilization controlled by systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, along with that the vast majority of people acting like Zombie Sheeple, all amplified by technologies which are trillions of times more powerful and capable than ever before in human history, is now shaping up to become the greatest ever tragedy.
I wish that it was possible to actually do something constructive to change that situation, wherein backing up lies with violence controls civilization so thoroughly that is is politically impossible to have any public debate about that problem ... However, that is the way it is, and that continues to automatically get worse, faster, at an exponential rate ...
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Your arguments only have validity if you're dumb neough to actually believe in or want this system. Taxpayers are fucking idiots. Why would you choose to be a plow donkey?
Give up Rad, Marx was wrong, just wrong. http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html
So are a shit ton of other economists, including the free market advocates of endless growth and those looking the other way at externalities. Most are based on an incorrect notion of human nature, but that's just my observation over the years.
Messianic Marxism was promoted to become publicly significant because that fit into the overall agenda of the international banksters (who covertly managed both the Russian and Chinese revolutions in the 20th Century.)
The early work of Marx was relatively scientific, for its time. BUT, still stuck in the basic errors of the philosophy of science taken for granted back then, which are mostly still taken for granted by most people today. I still somewhat respect that work of Marx which was relatively scientific, although it is now obsolete. However, I have NO respect whatsoever for Messianic Marxism, which was what crazy "communism" became, as yet another way that triumphant organized crime was able to conceal itself behind layers of false fundamental dichotomies and impossible ideals.
I REPEAT:
There is only ONE SYSTEM, and that is organized crime. The biggest and best organized gangs of criminals get to call themselves the "government" and control what it does. The history of that was that warfare was organized crime on larger and larger scales, which became the source of sovereign states, whose powers were covertly captured by the international bankers, who were able to apply the methods of organized crime to the political processes. I.e., the War Kings morphed to become the Fraud Kings.
The early scientific Marxism, within its time, was useful in providing an early analysis of the ways that organized crime in its day, and throughout history, had been manifesting. However, that then became the basis to spout bullshit about stopping that from happening, which is NOT POSSIBLE. Rather, Messianic Marxism was utter bullshit when promoting any theories that somehow the world could ever stop being controlled by organized crime. The only genuine solutions are better organized crime, because that is the only way there could be better government.
Money must be measurement backed by murder. Money must exist because measurement and murder exist. As long as any human beings survive, there will still be measurements and murders, and thus, there will still be some form of money. The Greeks, like most of the rest of the world's people, do not understand that, because they have been conditioned to not want to understand. Tragically, almost nothing becomes publicly significant unless it advances some agenda based upon organized lies operating robberies. Meta-systems which understood that still tend to be extremely unpopular, and would not tend to be promoted to become publicly significant.
Those INTENSE PARADOXES were not resolved by Marxism. Therefore, bullshit "communism" was never remotely close in the real world to what it was supposed to be, the same as so-called "socialism" was never realized. Similarly, of course, both capitalism and fascism were misleading. The only theories which are consistent are those based upon organized crime, because those are consistent with people acting as entropic pumps of energy flows. However, the social successfulness of that depends upon other people not understanding that, and not wanting to understand that. Hence, the degree to which the best organized gangsters, the banksters, dominate civilization, and control their opposition, so that there is no generally understood language that can be used to address those real social facts. Therefore, all of the dominate natural languages and philosophy of science are as backwards as those could possibly be, because those forms of language and philosophical presumptions were made and maintained by the biggest bullies, to enable them to control other people, through backing up lies with violence, which resulted in most people adapting to that by becoming ignorant and afraid.
HENCE, THE LANGUAGE THAT DOMINATES POLITICS IS ALL BULLSHIT!
Yes, that article you're linking to has some very astute observations!
Save your energy. You are correct, but it'll blow right by 99% of the zeroes on here. They were brainwashed with cold war fear and they won't give it up easily. They like being tools for their masters and willful, proud ignorance is a good way to do just that.
And that, RM, is why I keep saying...
"Freedom is NOT for the Dumb, Lazy, Scared, Disorganized or lacking in Perseverance."
Organized Criminals and Banksters have the very opposite attributes: informed, driven, fearless, ruthless, organized, relentless.
When you deal with these predators, being the Good Samaritan, meek, or turning the other cheek will not save you, but will ensure that you get whatever they do to Sheeple. IOW... f*ck the NT hippie bullshit (concocted by the Romans)! You need a good dose of OT attributes, to match those of your adversaries.
Kirk, with all due respect, Jesus himself commanded his followers to be armed equivalent to a soldier.
Luke 22:35-38
I provocatively will state that Jesus COMMANDED his followers to own an AR-15 (M16, AK, whatever).
Hint: The Roman MIC 'sword' was a short sword, issued to every soldier. What is the equivalent weapon issued to every soldier today? ...This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine...
It is not what it says, but what fools say it says...
Best wishes, it is about to get interesting.
Rad Margie - It always comes down to definitions. It is the essence of doublespeak.
Kudos! Today it is so ubiquitous (mis-definitions and doublespeak) and has permeated every aspect of everything that I just intercourse with the natives as little as possible because they really have not a clue what they say and even if the did, it would make about at much sense.
My favorite these days is "Define money" and "Define Love". So far I have not had one get it correct, but a few have desired to learn. Those are the ones that make me still glad to live another day.
Words, it really is all about the words.
Best wishes!
Do you know that if you want your message to fall on thousands of ears you should take a megaphone out to a cornfield?
This could never happen in the USA ... because 90% of americans are too fucking stupid to save money anyway, and therefore have nothing in the bank to withdraw.
When the kids are screaming for more happy meals, the u-verse is disconnected, and the I-gadget doesn't work, you will see people start to get irate.
If you want to impress me, don't show me long lines; show me banksters hanging from lampposts.
Reminds me I have to go to the ATM and take out a thousand.
At 0% or even a generous 0.25% it is better to have the money at home.
I'll do this daily until there is nothing but operating cash.
There is not that much in the account anyway because I have already drained it 6 months ago. .... But I did get a little complacent during the last couple of months.
i am going to start taking my money out a couple hundred a week
i see no point in keeping it parked at a bank with no interest
There's no getting away from it , the folks look a lot shabbier than on my visit 6 year ago.
Remain calm and take it in the ass. Struggling only makes it worse........
Take a look at the 1st photo of the gas stations. A French car, a German car and an Italian car lined up!! Creditors car!!
You must to be a crazy Greek or better say a crazy human being to still trust your money to banksters.
How many times must Marx be proven a fool before people see how just plain wrong he was. He incorrectly diagnosed the whole problem: http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html
Marx and the entirety of Communism was nothing but a cover to kill goys and low-level Jews. And it worked great, and more to come.
It has nothing to do with economics or politics - it's all about killing goys and low-level Jews.
A blood thirst that will never be quenched. Never. Read their Holy Books.
" - the new socialist paradise."
Right, because it's either be a slave of the bankers or you're the next new socialist paradise. God damn I am getting tired of these antiquated notions being thrown around when half the people doing so have no clue what they mean.
Besides, in the new normal socialism, capitalism, communism, fascism, whatever-the-fuckism are meaningless, obsolete words used only to incite fear, indignation or preconceptions for the audience. None of these halfwit concepts describes what's going on right now. Hell, if any words did describe this shit they are more along the the lines of peonage, feudalism, oligarchy, etc... The Cold War mentality dies hard among the brainwashed.
Exactly right. How dare the Greeks not roll over to their bankster masters!! Goddamn no-count pinko-punko commies!!
Redistributionism - stealing property from someone who earned and owns it and giving it to someone who didn't earn and own it.
Serfdom- a collection of serfs who have graduated from redistributionism and are no longer permitted to own property because all property belongs to the king and his assigned nobles.
There is an essential relationship between the two, Hayek can explain.
All the ism's are just different colored paint over these core fundamentals.
Redistribution was a basic foundation of the USA. See the Oklahoma land rush as one of the finer examples. Although most folks overlook such facts when reminiscing about the incredible free market, small gubmint days of yore mythology.
Sorry but Hayek and the Austrian school are a political ideology disguised as an economic theory...which essentially is libertarianism as defined by most American libertarians. While I have no problem with a smaller government, I've yet to see any evidence anywhere in history beyond the tribal level of free markets working without dumping a ton of externalities on government's door step. If you've got any examples I'd be happy to take a look.
I think the Oklahoma land rush grew out of conquest of the Indians whose system did not own land. One culture defeated another and handed out the winnings, in a sense, America has been doing that ever since. Sorry I can't site any examples of working libertarian societies in history, to much redistributionist blood all over the history's pages. I couldn't show you examples of nuclear subs or aircraft in the 19th century either, it took people with imagination and insight to bring those about. It will take people wiling to stand together to forge a niche in the system that, for them at least, leaves rationalizing moochers at their libertarian gate. For now, libertarians are a people without a homeland. I doubt we will ever see eye to eye, but I can say if you and redistributionist folks like you leave my stuff alone, I will do the same for you.
Dumping externalities on governments doorstep. That's precious. Our current economic system is eating planetary externalities like biodiveristy, water, and breathable air like a cancer. I'm sure the perpetually crony, wasteful and oversized government institutions will take care of everything. Or I as a private citizen could take out a legal action against a producer who is messing up the air I breath and force him to adjust his processes and charge the consumer the additional cost in his product. Redistributioners simply cannot fathom the complexities of a market driven by individual free choice and personal responsiblity, they want to dump their obligations on some nanny government, and mooch off of real producers who can feed themselves and people they personally care about. Redistributioners and libertarians are like cats and dogs, each needs their own space under a system that permits both to exist according to their outlook and abilities. An overarching system that allows for systemic diversity is needed, and I believe, is possible and essential, which is why a homogenous NWO can never hold things together. The only real purpose of any government should be to protect private property that was responsibly earned and that would require a government maybe 100 times smaller than presently exists.
I am fully on for a system that values nature accordingly. Profit-driven motivations will not make that come about.
I didn't say government was the answer or that it does everything perfectly. You imply that. I'm just saying the free-market answer to ALL problems and predicaments is utopian wishful thinking if history is any guide. Breaking it down to redistributioner's inability to understand the "truth" as defined by the enlightened and oh-so complex free-marketer's ideals is lame. If absolute free-market solutions were such a true and natural choice why is history so devoid of examples? Because it's a theoretical fantasy.
As I said, we will never see eye to eye, so there is no purpose to further debate. Cats will never be dogs and vice versa. I just need a system that keeps the other species out of my pockets, I want to run with my own kind without the tyranny of a mooching majority looking for a free lunch in my pocket, I have no problem with the other side delving into each others pockets and creating their own wealth to distribute.
And Hyeck can no doubt explain how the banksters, war profiteers and kleptocrats "earned" their money and why they have a God given right to it. And maybe he can explain why we must all submit to having our economy strangle by the corporations sitting on trillions of dollars that they won't spend into the real economy because we have no money to buy what they would make.
I don't understand how cronyism relates to free markets. Who is talking about banksters, war profiteers and whatever you define a kleptocrat as? As for the trillions the corporations are sitting on, those are not your trillions, you are not in their club, they printed that money unfair and unsquare and gave it to the club members. You don't have an economy to be free in, nor money (other than cash and bitcoin) to freely trade with. Either you be a serf in their "legal" but unjust system or go underground in an illegal but just system.