With Knife Murders Spiking After Gun Ban, UK Urges "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife"

Tyler Durden's picture

Just a week ago, we noted the hard-working US government was drawing up plans for "knife regulations." Well, in The UK it appears to have already begun...

As SHTFPlan.com's Mac Slavo warns, don't try to think this one through - the logica fail and sheer volume of absurdity might just make you sick if you do...

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For the UK – whose laws and policies all-too-often influence those of the U.S. – gun control isn’t enough. Probably nothing will ever be enough.

Now a call to surrender knives, ongoing for years, is in full swing. Via Citizen Action:

The right to bear arms might be under attack here in America–but in the United Kingdom, police are trying to do something even more ridiculous: they’re attempting to ban knives.

 

The British police have recently joined forces with liberal grassroots activists in the UK, launching the “Save a Life–Surrender Your Knife” program. Knife crime has been climbing recently in major UK cities like London.

 

The program involved several weeks of “amnesty” for “pointed knives.” Civilians can turn in these apparently dangerous weapons at their local police station in exchange for “amnesty,” apparently, even though knives (rounded or pointed) aren’t illegal in the United Kingdom.

There is, however, a ban on people under 18 buying knives – going so far on the absurdity scale as to ban underage purchases of plastic knives! No joke. One woman in her 20s was even barred from buying spoons without proper ID:

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Since knives are used for food preparation and many other basic and essential activities, and virtually any crude material can be transformed into a knife, even police admit the “amnesty” for turning in knives will do nothing to stop knife crimes (but it will do a great deal for instilling a mentality of helplessness while heaping on more and more rules).

Because the problem with knife crime, however, is that it’s pretty much impossible to stop just by banning knives itself. Virtually every person in the United Kingdom owns a knife–and, as long as food needs cutting, that’s not going to change.

[…] the problem is that “many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.”

Despite the attempt to paint knife crimes as an impulsive issue of short tempers and petty disputes, carjackings, robberies and premeditated murders are frequently committed with knives in the UK… and the system is trying to make sure victims remain defenseless.

Here is what the murder rate looks like since the UK’s gun ban – with knife murders spiking drastically:

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Police departments in the UK, urging people to give up their blades, including those from the kitchen, are literally advising people to NOT to become a victim by NOT defending themselves:

Don’t be a victim

If you feel you are in immediate danger from knife crime there are a number of steps you can take to protect yourself:
• Move away from the situation towards a public place (shop, house, restaurant etc.) as quickly as possible.
• Make as much noise as you can.
• Instead of carrying a knife, carry a personal alarm.
• Don’t fight back.

The same “logic” has of course been used in American debates on guns, with Homeland Security training even advising would-be victims at schools and offices to hide or throw cans of soup at active shooters.

It is a good enough assertion at this point to suppose that all the sharpest knives in the drawer have already been turned in or confiscated… as clearly no one in a position of authority has common sense or wits about them at all.

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Pool Shark's picture

 

 

You can have my Spork when you pry it from my cold, dead, hand...

 

AlaricBalth's picture

Buying and carrying knives: the law in the UK.

The laws about buying and carrying a knife depend on the type of knife, your age and your circumstances.

Basic laws on knives
It is illegal to:
sell a knife of any kind to anyone under 18 years old (16 to 18 year olds in Scotland can buy cutlery and kitchen knives)

carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, eg a Swiss Army knife

carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife

use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife)

Lock knives (knives with blades that can be locked when unfolded) are not folding knives, and are illegal to carry in public without good reason.

The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and a fine of £5,000.

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

remain calm's picture

..."But, How will i cut my meat"  Lorena Bobbitt

Publicus's picture

Without free will, there can be no crime. Surrender your free will now.

AlaricBalth's picture

Good reasons for carrying a knife according to gov.uk:

Examples of good reasons to carry a knife in public can include:

taking knives you use at work to and from work
taking knives to a gallery or museum to be exhibited
the knife is going to be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment or religious purposes, eg the kirpan some Sikhs carry

A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife if you’re charged with carrying it illegally.

suteibu's picture

Give everyone a gun and the knife problem will disappear overnight.

suteibu's picture

People are going to commit violence against others regardless.  In Japan, a man is in a coma today after an acquaintance stabbed him in the eye with an umbrella during a fight.  Ban umbrellas?

 

AlaricBalth's picture

Next on the list, a ban on nail guns.
If so, the PTB will need to find a new method of suiciding a perceived threat to their way of life.

suteibu's picture

If you ban nail guns, only criminals (the PTB) will have them.

El Vaquero's picture

 

Don’t fight back.

Lets see here, I think that there are a couple of words that are are appropriate.  What are they?  "Fuck" and You!"

Son of Loki's picture

Knives, guns, Confederate flags, inanimate objects, etc are not the problem.

DutchR's picture

Carry an axe instead...

 

TeamDepends's picture

Next: Don't resist, surrender your fists.

sushi's picture

Follow Homeland Security's advice and in two years there will be legislation demanding you turn in your cans of soup. Canned soup is a four pound, extremely lethal projectile especially given a lack of knives with which to remove the contents prior to throwing in self defense.

"Do you feel lucky punk?" 

Said while holding a full can of Campbells Cream of Mush pointed in the direction of said punk.

 

monad's picture

My 70# torque wrench weighs 3.8#. I'm good.

But my car battery weighs 12#...

Real Estate Geek's picture

And culminating in: "Just lay back and enjoy it."

turnoffthewater's picture

Simple take your meat to the govt and they will cut it for you....oh wait, they all ready are

espirit's picture

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight in either Florida or Texas.

(or harsh words either)

Edit: Must be the heat that makes everyone intolerant of stupidity.

NihilistZero's picture

I know it's linked in the article, but everyone must read this UK Police page on Knife Crime:

http://lancashire.police.uk/help-advice/safer-communities/knife-crime.aspx

It is unintentionally hilarious, far beyond the ready made meme of "Don't Fight Back".  The UK Pols/Authorities REALLY make Brits look bad.  As a resident of CA I can surely relate...

Winston Churchill's picture

The biggest in school massacre was committed in Germany with a home made flammenwurfer.

Tank spayers must be banned.

Those laws look no different from when i grew up there, not sure what the big deal is.

El Vaquero's picture

I'm not sure what the biggest school massacre in world history was, but in US history, it was in Bath, MI.  Only one gunshot was fired.  Want to stop things like that with law?  Ban chemistry.  LOL. 

janus's picture

didn't know about the bath massacare...interesting.

yeah, i'm with you, chemistry and chemicals and all molecules of any arrangement...hell, atoms as well -- ban it all.  did you know that if one were able to split the smallest and simplest of atoms like, for example, hydrogen, it could release enough energy to...i don't want to tell you what would happen, might put bad ideas in the kids' heads -- and if word gets out about atomic energy, every kid in america will start collecting illicit substances like hydrogen.  

p.s. my buddy and i once successfully mixed a highly potent fulminate of mercury in our high school lab....that sure was a bad-ass molecular arrangement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOhONc5-oSs

{dear kids in great britian, do bin the knives, turn in your guns and then get your butts in the lab.  go make you some fulminated mercury and have the time of your lives.  you shan't regret it, i promise.}

janus

logicalman's picture

Nitrogen tri-iodide was a favourite when I was at school!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KlAf936E90

did fulminate of mercury once and gun cotton a few times.

rockets from potassium chlorate and sugar was another good one.

 

janus's picture

explosives were easy for me...rocketry?...another matter altogether.

the precision required to get proper lift, trajectory and a predictable arc require the kinds of infinite discipline rarely found anywhere but north by north-west of the rhine.  janus hasn't enough nordic in him to pull it off.  

no, really, high-composite materials, fine-grade files, calipers...you name it....we did it all with only limited success.  rocketry is a high-art, and is far more than a sum-of-its-parts science.  mr. musk would do well in soliciting elegant minds (no matter how obstreperous or 'anti-semetic' they may be) if he wants to pull-off something grand.  the best of men know how awesome they are; those who fancy themselves 'masters' will soon understand their relationship to talent.

yeah, hebrews, best-o-luck with your cad and whatnot...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzlMeTxVdH8&list=PL9600AE5345E7C6EB

in the end, there is only love & rockets -- the world seems to prefer the latter.  gotta give the people what they want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5wxR081YQ

i feel i'm on the cross again lately/

but that has nothing to do with you,

janus

 

logicalman's picture

With the rockets, there was little precision.

Doing it and having fun were the why.

Up was the only aiming involved, and being far enough away when they lit up were about the only considerations.

turnoffthewater's picture

No worries, the tptb have been working on that for a long time

chumbawamba's picture

"Don't fight back."  Just stand there and be stabbed to death until a constable can arrive at the scene and politely ask everyone to behave.

I am Chumbawamba.

A Lunatic's picture

Maybe Brandon Smith can develop a clothing line made of QuickClot........

new game's picture

i feel no pain said the brave weaponless progressive...

DanDaley's picture

Yet for the muzzies, it's a blessing and a curse: decapitation with a plastic knife will take a whole lot longer (which is bad), but then again it will take a whole lot longer (which is good). It's all a matter of perspective.

 

Tom Servo's picture

muzzies aren't impacted, they can carry their ceremonial head removing knife with no restrictions...

 

e_goldstein's picture

  Just stand there and be stabbed to death until a constable can arrive at the scene and politely ask everyone to  behave.

 Better hope said constable speaks Arabic.

 


funthea's picture

I logged in just so I could down vote you, you fucking mook!

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

"Call 911.  When you need help in seconds, our officers, whose primary duty is protecting their own safety, are mere minutes away."

logicalman's picture

Letting a court decide is truly scary.

If a guy in fancy suit carries a knife he'll likely get off.

If a guy in torn jeans with tatoos carries a knife he'll likely be convicted.

The 'legal' system is no longer a system of law.

 

espirit's picture

Cover your six.

Long range sniper rifles & experienced hands work well together.

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Two tier legal system.  Depending on how many lawyers you can afford.

0-1 lawyer:  Guilty.

2+ lawyers:  Not Guilty, your Honor

NoDecaf's picture

Don't go caveman. Surrender your tree banches now.

new game's picture

i draw the line at rocks. permit to carry a rock(s) outside your cave coming to a village near you.

moneybots's picture

"Buying and carrying knives: the law in the UK."

 

The chart shows the law isn't working very well. 

Knives replaced guns and something else will replace knives as the weapon of choice.  Eventually, they would have to ban everything.

css1971's picture

The muggers don't carry knives. They carry screwdrivers.

 

HTH.

junction's picture

Without knives, we would never have such reality TV programs as "Wives With Knives."  Fingers can also be deadly weapons, should we require everyone to be handcuffed when they are in public?  Let me ask Michelle, when she has a moment after her ten course state dinner.

WOAR's picture

When you no longer have the right to bear arms, they will take your arms.

As in, from the elbow down.

Brazen Heist's picture

If you feel you are in immediate danger from knife crime there are a number of steps you can take to protect yourself:
• Move away from the situation towards a public place (shop, house, restaurant etc.) as quickly as possible.
• Make as much noise as you can.
• Instead of carrying a knife, carry a personal alarm.
Don’t fight back.