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Juncker To Greece: "Don't Commit Suicide Just Because You Are Afraid Of Death"

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In as brash an instance of lying propaganda as we have seen recently EU President Jean-Cleaude "when it's serious you have to lie" Juncker unleashed 6 minutes of unabashed falsehoods this morning as the fearmongering and blame-shame-game for Greece begins. He proclaimed that "pension cuts were not in the creditors proposals" which as many pointed out is a total lie and then said: "You shouldn’t commit suicide because you're afraid of dying. You should say 'yes' regardless of what the question is." Got that Greek Grandmas - Vote YES no matter what you think - that's how EU democracyu works...

 

For instance...

 

 

The European Commission appealed on Monday to the Greek people to vote “yes” in a referendum on its international bailout, warning that a risk of the rupture of the European Union was real.

 

They report that Jean-Claude Juncker, the commission’s president, said: “I love you deeply - You shouldn’t commit suicide because you’re afraid of dying. You should say ‘yes’ regardless of what the question is.

 

A “no” vote in the referendum “will mean that Greece is saying no to Europe,” Mr. Juncker said.

 

Mr. Juncker rejected the argument by Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras saying that a “no” vote by Greeks on July 5 would give the government a better negotiation position in the rescue talks.

 

"The whole planet would consider a Greek 'no' to the question posed... as meaning that Greece wants to distance itself from the euro zone and from Europe." he told a news conference.

 

Juncker said he still believed a Greek exit from the euro zone was not an option, but cautioned that he alone could not necessarily protect Athens from other leaders who may disagree.

 

At a rare emergency news conference at the Brussels headquarters of his European Commission, Juncker ran through what he said was a fair offer made to Greece, which was socially fairer than the government had sought - effectively appealing over the head of Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras.

 

"Playing off one democracy against 18 others is not an attitude which is fitting for the great Greek nation," Juncker said.

 

The Commission president said he felt deeply distressed and betrayed, believing until late on Friday that both sides were pushing towards a deal.

The full outpouring is here...

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After that, Juncker just blew any chance of being trusted again by anyone.

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This summed it quite succinctly...

But with lies so blatant, we would be surprised if any Greek believed any word he ever said again.

 

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Mon, 06/29/2015 - 08:57 | 6248714 snodgrass
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Holy shit. What a loon. No wonder the world is as fucked up as it is.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:00 | 6248731 Bank_sters
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All bankers must die- the first line of my new novel!

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:02 | 6248743 tmosley
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That's right Greece, be a good debt slave.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:05 | 6248766 EscapeKey
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Juncker's bonus depends on it.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:07 | 6248776 SafelyGraze
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I thught the photos of greeks grithdrawing their grsavings from gratms was impressive

until I watched people at the breakfast buffet at the holiday inn

holy smokes

it turns out that, yes you *can* pull out 15 pieces of bacon with the pair of tongs and put them in your styrofoam bowl

yes, I'm talking to you, hungry lady with the "I survived leBron's departure" t-shirt

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:15 | 6248818 PrayingMantis
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..."EU President Jean-Cleaude "when it's serious you have to lie" Juncker" ... says it all ... no surprise here ...

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:22 | 6248870 bigdumbnugly
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well, at least gold and silver will certainly have to break out now.

oh wait...

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:46 | 6249026 TahoeBilly2012
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Euro is a "debt union" bad news, other bad news it is a "trades standards" union, with 75 pages of guidelines to grow a tomatoe. The upside is...access to said debt, so you flourish until you crash, then you still need to do the 75 pages to grow a tomatoe but you are broke.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:10 | 6249175 weburke
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THe media in greece is controlled ! They will show what they are told by the elites. The regular greek is as sheepish as everywhere else. Rebellious sheep in any key position anywhere important to power, are removed one way or another.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:39 | 6249322 Occident Mortal
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Greece leaving the eurozone is a big deal for Europe but it is nothing compared to the UK leaving the EU.

 

A big european crisis just 12-24 months ahead of the UK referendum will be all it takes for the British to vote themselves out of the EU.

 

Britain should realign itself away from Europe an focus on the 53 members of the British Commonwealth which includes countries such as India, Singapore, Australia, Nigeria, South Africa, Canada.

 

The British Commonwealth would make for an incredible pan-global trade block, with London-Singapore being the axis of capital.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:47 | 6249346 TruthInSunshine
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The north has decided that they want Greece to exit the EU.

It's a foregone conclusion at this point - even France and SPAIN (which will be tested next) have made very unconstructive remarks re Greece yesterday - and all this 12th hour talk is nothing more than an attempt to make it appear as if more of the blame for Grexit falls on Greece.

All this said, the EU with a common currency was a horrid idea from inception, and any EU with a common currency should be limited to, at most, 7 or 8 nations, mainly in the north.

I expect the EU to fall as the PIIGS+UK fall or choose an EU exit.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:45 | 6249350 ChooChoo
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Yes, but that's not new! nor the EU blacklisted that option! What you say is less and not more! 
Addition to that would be to join Russia China Africa those kind of markets! not what it already has! 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 16:51 | 6251229 Tigermoth
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I guess it must be serious.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:08 | 6248779 knukles
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You should commit suicide to save me.
Asshole

             Seriously folks, this is how far the human race has fallen
                                Liberalism is a disease

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:23 | 6248881 shovelhead
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At least herpes lets you know that you're hopelessly afflicted.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:37 | 6249310 NihilistZero
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Liberalism is the basis of Democratic Republics and all free societies.

You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 14:09 | 6250402 NihilistZero
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I see the downvoters have no idea what the textbook definition of liberalisim is...  How very John Roberts of them :-)

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 19:34 | 6251854 StychoKiller
Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:11 | 6248786 ebworthen
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Yes, and he's scared. 

When the house of cards falls, they'll be looking for a replacement - unless we get a miracle and fractional reserve banking and the lie that debt is an asset is expunged from mankind - along with the banksters.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:23 | 6248880 chunga
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That could happen if enough people out there realize these financial experts are *nothing* but frauds and declare a global jubilee for themselves. These assholes are desperate because if the Greeks throw off the chains it could cause an avalanche.

The only reason they have fancy clothes, cars and lots of money is because they create it out of thin air, then use it to fuck everybody else even moar. There is no "moral hazard" in fighting fire with fire, especially when fighting a scumbag cheat who also used the fake "money" to buy the "law".

see: Puerto Rico

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:42 | 6248991 freewolf7
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Watch Juncker's microexpressions.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:51 | 6249056 L_Estasi_dell_Oro
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I know what they are, but I'm not an expert. Can you elaborate?

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:47 | 6249028 zvzzt
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take down your avatar right now! don't you know it's dangerous?!

/sarc

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:59 | 6249122 chunga
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Yeah I know, put down the stick and step away from the horse.

What's going on is almost exactly like Orwell's 1984. EVERYTHING is bullshit and we're led to believe by MSM apparatus that people who don't believe are in the minority. The stories we're told are so preposterous that hardly anybody believes. All it's going to take is a spark.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 11:14 | 6249505 zvzzt
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agreed. stomach churning stuff. not so much for myself, but for the two poor sods i put on this earth a few years ago. biggest mistake of my life, especially since they give me so much joy as persons

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 11:37 | 6249608 chunga
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Nah, that's not a mistake, you just have to teach them. Our "millenial" aged kids know it's all fake and *never* believed any of it. They refuse to have kids themselves and are not debt-laden, fat and stupid. A lot of what's wrong is entrenched in the "system" and they've chosen to entrench themselves out of it. So have many of their peers.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 19:37 | 6251862 StychoKiller
Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:57 | 6249089 conscious being
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Alright, who downvoted this? Who's the sneaky rutter? Either make your argument or we will know that Mr. Yellen reads these boards and is a serial downvoter.

You must have hit a nerve Chunga. You drew three immediate no ops.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:12 | 6248803 bigdumbnugly
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"You should say 'yes' regardless of what the question is."

seriously, what can you say to that?

i have to come clean though and admit i also used that line on some tang back in the day.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:29 | 6248911 shovelhead
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Yeah,

I get pangs of guilt for using the old " Swallowing male 'issue' causes radical breast enlargement." when I was a youngster.

Ha. Not really.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:06 | 6248775 Headbanger
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Full fucking bonko reeeeetaaaaded..

What a maroon..

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:16 | 6248823 847328_3527
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Many of these Banker brains have been rotted away by booze and herpetic hookers and dominatrix mistresses, not to mention the many, many high trans fat 7-course dinners 7 days a week.

 

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:59 | 6249123 conscious being
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Its the child sacrifice orgies that does it.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:09 | 6248789 Chief KnocAHoma
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One thing I've noticed about democracy... if the powerful can keep the poll margins close... diebold will bring home a victiory... but the illusion only works if the polling data is tight enough for the masses to swallow.

If 90% of Greeks polled today want a NO vote... then the banks have a lot of work to do in six short days. If the margin is closer say 65% NO, 45% YES, then six days of fear and loathing could bring the numbers close enough to steal the results.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:30 | 6248913 Chief KnocAHoma
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Another point on the eye ball test... most of the pictures you see of those in the ATM lines show elderly... why didn't they have their money out of the system you ask?

Because they are living on a government stipend... it comes monthly or bi monthly... so they take out what they can...

This is the weak link, because they are the weakest citizens. It's not like they can go get a job, so most of the elderly will vote to accept a haircut rather than slow death by hunger or inabilty to buy their meds. 

From the central planner's point of view it is win/win. They accept the haircut or die which eliminates some useless eaters. The World has been allowed to be a gentle place because for so long we believed the lies of fairy tale dust spun by whores wanting votes. We are approaching the point where lies will no longer work and masses will die.

 

Have a great week!

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:55 | 6249101 p00k1e
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The poetry is the elderly have the least to lose.  What does a dependent & broke 85-year old lose if s/he dons a bomb?

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:03 | 6248750 freewolf7
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I smell fear.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:05 | 6248764 bigdumbnugly
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i smell ass

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:59 | 6249119 joseJimenez
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Yeah, I was thinking of a short story, "When Slime ruled the world"

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:13 | 6249215 cheech_wizard
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Someone needs to suicide Juncker... asap.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:27 | 6248899 post turtle saver
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hahahaha FUCK THE EU

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:50 | 6249040 L_Estasi_dell_Oro
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Juncker Wisdom:


On Greece's economic meltdown in 2011
"When it becomes serious, you have to lie."

On EU monetary policy
"I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious... I am for secret, dark debates."

On British calls for a referendum over Lisbon Treaty
"Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?"

On French referendum over EU constitution
"If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue'."

On the introduction of the euro
"We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back."

On eurozone economic policy and democracy
"We all know what to do, we just don't know how to get re-elected after we've done it."

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:29 | 6249267 Kirk2NCC1701
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IOW... A world-class, Macchiavelian Apparatchik.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:07 | 6249153 luckylongshot
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Reading the lies being spewed by this piece of shit makes you want to Junck up lunch.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:12 | 6249209 Kirk2NCC1701
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TD, that tells you that "Things are getting very, very serious", if Junker is

morphing into Baghdad Bob.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 08:57 | 6248715 BoPeople
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You need to sign the agreement before you know the terms of your surrender to Germany... forever.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:09 | 6248787 knukles
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We need to pass it to find out what's in it.
        Hookers and Blow, Bitchez

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:21 | 6248866 Being Free
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Good one knukles.  and let's not forget that, "If you like your pension you can keep your pension."

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:28 | 6248901 Doom and Dust
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No. The agreement is on whether the European tax payers are going to lend more money to Greek non-tax paying deadbeats.

Fuck you and your American ignorance.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:32 | 6248934 shovelhead
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U mad, Bro?

lolololol.

Shut up and pay, bitch. Your Lords have spoken.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:42 | 6248999 Doom and Dust
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I will. Even our sick sociopathic overlords are better than the chosenites we chased out to rule over you.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:54 | 6249091 Farqued Up
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The doom may be a Lord, or at least have a lot of stock in a real whorehouse known as a bank.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:52 | 6249072 disabledvet
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The only "lending" going on here WAS an attempt at keep European Banks solvent by keep "Greece" as a State Actor somehow functioning.

Closing the Athens Stock Exchange gives lie to the whole bailout regime in my view.

There is no money period.

"Bring lots of suro's when you visit Greece"? Bwhahahahahahaha. Yeah, okay...

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:04 | 6249152 Doom and Dust
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More ignorant bullshit. The banks got out a long time ago. Took a 50% cut too. Every euro going into Greece comes from European taxpayers.

The banks are insolvent, sure. Just irrelevant in the case of the Greeks, aka the Free shit people.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:55 | 6249098 Sandmann
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Americans need to pay a lot of taxes to work down that $18 trillion debt pile........I mean Obama alone has added c. 45% US GDP to the National Debt

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 17:38 | 6251426 Umh
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Loaning money to a country that cannot pay you back is just stupid.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 08:57 | 6248717 SheepRevolution
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World to Juncker: Go fuck yourself, because you're an asshole!

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:00 | 6248738 LawsofPhysics
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Wasn't Juncker the one who said "when things get serious, you have to lie"...

when will "leadership" like that be held accountable?

execute these fuckers already.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:33 | 6248861 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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No because that is how democracy is supposed to work. It is always I was following orders, will of the people, etc. Always and excuse to to place the blame somewhere else and no consequences for their actions.

This is the legacy of those ancient greeks, American Idol, political style aka representative governments based upon emotion not logic.

Nothing every progresses when populism is the modus operandi for any system. The only thing that ever progress is the ever intricate layer of bullshit and verbal lies to say the same thing differently to not ever have to do anything. Greeks fucked up the western world big time with the invention of democracy and politics, drama goes right along with both. It is only fitting they get destroyed by the same trojan horses they unleashed on world. Maybe they will get it right this time around on the next iteration.

Politicians are whores and a whore can't have 2 pimps at the same time. This is why there is no sovereignty in a union....

American Idol and voting for politicians are the same thing. It is one giant popularity contest based on swaying emotion not about logic or reason.

These people were all corrupt before the first vote was ever placed because they are panderers. They will do and say whatever with no consequence and blame it on those that voted them in the first place.

Voters are just as bad for even playing in the first place.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:36 | 6248965 shovelhead
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Amen.

Bring on the Military Generals, I say.

You just can't get a more efficient form of Govt. than that.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:54 | 6249017 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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You can they are called sovereign individuals. Something that is suppressed on purpose by all layers of govt. That would require too much personal responsibility and emphasis on logic and reason over emotional drama queens, lies and bullshit.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:42 | 6249003 LawsofPhysics
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Blah blah blah...  ...like I said below, demographics and the laws of physics will sort this all out again eventually, fucking bring it already.

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:02 | 6249059 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Explain these laws to the average lay person since ignorance rules the land these days. If you can't show how the relationships work how the fuck do you know the laws in the first place. Explain them to us....

I don't claim to know all the relationships but I do know this.

Nothing can be bigger than 1 yet we are taught 1 + 1 = 2

Wrong 1/2 + 1/2 = 1

Can't create something from nothing, all the mathematical dogma including finance is based on this wrong assumption.

1 = area which equals a set you can have more than one set or sequences that add up to 1. The limiting factor is the what is common to each set which that overall set can only ever add up to 1. The set grow smaller only the subsets grow larger. It is a wash since it always add up to one for the largest set not matter how you split things up.

So natural numbers are set of shapes there is no 2 or 3 only 1 square, 1 circle, etc and combinations thereof.

All the math is based on incomplete and sometimes outright wrong relationship assumptions. See how natural and money for nothing is double plus good meaning programmed using math dogma which science and everything else bases their righteousness on. The only difference between nothing or something is shape not content.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:09 | 6249188 Oh regional Indian
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Interesting but incomplete hypothesis DCH, care to elaborate or point to a place where this has been elaborated.

I have red that the introduction of the square root of -1 was the turning point, taking modern mathematics into woo-woo zone because of the un-natural-ness of the assumptions.

You are right though that modern math is totally a construct, to help shore the sick mess of modern science.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:20 | 6249218 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Very incomplete, I will be the first to tell you since you can't construct anything without knowing what the basic relationships are. I don't claim to know them yet but I do know what we are taught is not right because you can logically reason and test structure without knowing the math behind it. The math is dictated by shape not the other way around. I can create shape without math I can't create math or words for that matter without shape. 1, 2 these are shapes, understand the difference set, subset. I'll explain why in a separate post because that is where complex numbers and infinity comes in. There is no 0 or negative numbers. + or - only indicate attraction and directional movement.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:27 | 6249256 Oh regional Indian
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What you are saying "feels" like you are on to something. Modern math is definitely un-real and ill-logical, how much ever they attempt to teach us that it is the opposite (ie. theat ONLY math is logic).

Look forward to the longer post....

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 13:06 | 6249896 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I'll try to explain what I do understand. Take a piece of paper in a square size. The area = b.h. 1/1 = 1 now fold it exact in half.

You have 2 rectangles each being 1/2 + 1/2 = 1 or (2/1 + 2/1) = 4 = 4 / (2/1) = 2 = 1*(1/2 + 1/2) + 1*(1/2 + 1/2) = 1/2 + 1/2 = 1 = 1/1 depending how you define the relationship aka orientation of b/h.

See the directional and relationship between smaller and larger either way it all has to always add up to 1 once you define the relationship between set and subset.

Same thing either way 2 rectangles of equal size = 1 square.

Fold it in half again you have 4 squares, 2 rectangles or 1 giant square when you unfold it backwards.

Smallest set expands by a factor of 2 largest set contracts by a factor of 2.

So we can reason something either is or it isn't.

So it is either real or it isn't aka imaginary. The formulas just follow the shape.

So first fold 2 rectangles 1 imaginary space 1 real space

1/2R + 1/2i = 1r or 1i depends the relation r/i or i/r.

Assume R then it is 1/2a(1/1) + 1/2b(i/i) = 1

imaginary numbers just define a the other half of a space when the formula for area doesn't = 1.

Take a triangle 1/2 b.h + 1/2 b.h = 1 = a square b.h

We know the bigger shape so we can define it in terms of real numbers as 1/2*(1/1) + 1/2*(i/i) = 1 or if we want to exclude the i part we use 0. 1/2+0=1

1/2 is not equal to 1 so zero is just is a placeholder telling us the formula is incomplete, nothing more.

We can define 0 in terms of i if you know the bigger shape if not then it is 1/2+0 = inf

inf is used for when the first shape we deriving relationships is not known when it is known we use that formula.

So since it is a square inf = b.h 1/1 = 1 and we know the shape of a triangle is 1/2b.h. and we are only defining the triangle in relationship to a square in terms of real numbers the formula that describes the set is 1*{1/2(1/1)+1/2(i/i)} = 1*1=1

If it was in terms of imaginary numbers it becomes i*{1/2(1/1)+1/2(i/i)}= 1*i = i The shape is the shape real or imaginary. So i and 1 are equal when area is they describe it exactly the same.

add them together a+bi 1(1/1) + i(1/1).

Which means each is part of a larger set or if 1 = i they describe 2 equal area sets in terms of i or 1. A complete real and complete imaginary set will have areas of 1 but each is 1/2 of a bigger shape when equal in size. If we know the bigger shape we can define it formula wise if not then we call it infinity since everything else can be added up to 1. If it doesn't add up to 1 we use 0 as a placeholder until we can define what it is and it's relationship.

When i = 1 we can also reason 1/1 = i/i = 1/i = i/1.

Now we can use these to start describing the relationship of the length of the diagonal in a triangle when b = h.

It can get complicated but you see the basic relationship here defining shape in terms of area.

Nothing can be larger than 1 period e.o.s when defining a complete set in terms of area. Even a line has shape so does a point. It is a constant therefore a universal law.

The next important one is triangles in relationship to circles or curvature to straight lines of the same distance aka the diagonal or c^2 in the formula a^2 + b^2 = c^2.

With the above we can start defining curvature aka semicircle in relationship to the length of a diagonal in a triangle. Length is equal but distance traveled isn't so the diagonal in a triangle is really a curve being represented as a straight line.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 14:07 | 6250382 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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One other thing I forget to mention. The paper square has 2 sides so we either have like coin heads or tails 1/2 and 1/2 with each side equal to 1. See how you can't get around the ratios as it grows larger or smaller no matter the direction we choose.

With that said we can also reason you can't be on both sides of the paper at the same time so right there is your first 1/2 split between R and I depending which side the paper you reside on. It doesn't matter what side just the side you are on when you start defining the relationships in terms of shape.

If you are one side and I am on the other side the shapes are equal just I describe my shape as real in relationship to yours imaginary and you do the same. MeR/YouI or MeI/YouR, they are both equal 1 = 1 or 1/2 + 1/2 = 1 when MeR/YouI and MeI/Your. Another important relationship here from a logical truth table standpoint concerning and/or.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 14:06 | 6250383 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:44 | 6249014 Solio
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When the politicians are no longer getting $$$ from the bankers?

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:03 | 6249105 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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A whore can't pleasure more than one customer at a time when more than one customer wants access to the same hole or service. You need multiple whores this why being in a union and doing the 'will of the people' as sovereign nation never works when it comes to unions or using single 'currencies' in unions.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 08:58 | 6248718 franzpick
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Junck dealer...

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 08:58 | 6248721 Haus-Targaryen
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What a clusterfuck ... 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 08:58 | 6248723 rsnoble
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Fuck this sack of shit raw with no lube.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 08:59 | 6248728 LawsofPhysics
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LOL!!  What's the over/under on the outstanding CDS?  Who  is committing suicide again mr banker/financier?

Get long sharecropping, black markets and guillotines, beat the rush.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:23 | 6248873 ATM
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The banks/financiers still own the printing presses. And they will use them to save themselves as the printing will cover their tracks, create chaos and they will try ti slink away under cover of the hellstorm they are perpetrating on the citizens of the globe.

Guillotines indeed! We just need to remember who they will be used on. The chaos will cause memories to become dull and the creators of the circumstances we will face to be vague.

But I will remember...

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:29 | 6248904 LawsofPhysics
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The faster they print, the faster faith will be lost, fucking bring it!!!  The sooner we allow demographics and the laws of physics and Nature to take over, the sooner we can sort this all out.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 08:59 | 6248730 Brazen Heist
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Euro propaganda in full swing. The desperation is very tangible.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:29 | 6248908 Doom and Dust
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Yeah, because you fucking yanks would gladly pay more taxes to help 'desperate' Detroit.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:00 | 6248732 101 years and c...
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tsipras lived up to his campaign promises...and he gave greek peasants 4 months to withdraw their cash with that "extension" in Feb.  then he went nuclear and german taxpayers will pay the price.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:27 | 6248896 ATM
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Not just the Germans but all of the EU. 

The game is being played right now. The crisis will be used to push for Europe to Federalize. That has been the plan of the Euro all along. It was to create the very issues we see today and the end result will have to be Federalization and money printing.

These fuckers want to control all of Europe and they will use the fear caused by the current tumult to get there. They are going to administer a few lashes now to get the people on board to surrender and be kept "safe" from fears they are being presented with.

Just like the US and our Lehman and 9/11 moments. We bent over from fer and allowed them to insert the 12 foot rod up our asses.

Welcome to being a hand puppet European pesants! 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:01 | 6248740 Lady Jessica
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Well that's Step 1 commenced: engender fear.

Next up Step 2: foment discord among the citizenry.

Time for Syriza to go full throttle with its propaganda on the ground.

Will it work?

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:06 | 6248770 Brazen Heist
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I think the crux of the Greek crisis boils down to these 2 choices for the Greeks:

1) Short term pain, longer term gain (Grexit)
2) Short term gain, longer term pain (bailouts/can kicking)

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:18 | 6248813 Lady Jessica
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I don't mean to impugn the Greek national character but they seem very fond of avoiding short term pain at any cost.

And very fond of €.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:35 | 6248955 Brazen Heist
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Well then they will deserve the road they take.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:02 | 6248742 SpanishGoop
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Please Greece publish the latest EU proposal and expose all the shit.

F*ck the EU.

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:02 | 6248745 CuttingEdge
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All Europeans rejoice at the wisdom and wit of our supreme (unelected) leader.

Err...

That fucker is a lunatic.

End of.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:03 | 6248751 Bag Of Meat
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The stunt was executed so quickly that it wasn't even the least convincing. In full consultation, all sides conspired for the manipulation of the greek crowd. In the referendum, YES will soon be changed, and stand for the package of austerity measures proposed by the ruling "leftist" party , a "compromise", after an American intervention that will provide debt relief. They gave the greek people a false taste of what leaving the euro could mean (the whole show about ATMs and supermarkets), so that the majority votes yes in the measures proposed by the "leftists". Sometime this week the second greek request for liquidity extension will now be accepted, and everyone will soon be happy:

a) The greek government will pass its own Memorandum of measures, bypassing any objections of its own deputies, by getting the "majority's verdict" (but not those who voted for them for their leftist commitments), without need of the votes of the opposition. It will also be presented as a victory.

b) The European Union will get the austerity measures it demands, and look like it "strengthened" the association.

c) The popular feeling will be characterized by "relief", as Greece remained in their beloved eurozone, ATMs and supermarkets will be open again.

The whole thing stinks American perception management and PSYOP ...

And the "leftists" again fulfill their purpose, to impose neoliberal measures to an exhausted society.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:18 | 6248814 Anunnaki
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I could not agree more with what you have written

When it goes down more or less how you have described, I hope you will re-submit this as prophecy fulfilled

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:32 | 6248923 Paveway IV
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"...The whole thing stinks American perception management and PSYOP ..."

I wasn't 100% sure - it just had that ol' scopoloamine feel to it. But there was a little piece on the Frontrunning list today:

  • Western Union to close in Greece for rest of week (Reuters)

Because if your business is transferring money, then the last thing you would want to do is transfer money...

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:41 | 6248992 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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This is where bitcoin becomes useful for the average person and cheaper than Western Union if you use bitcoin to wire money. Any Greek with brains in their head and have relatives outside Greece already have a bitcoin/cryptocoin transfer mechanism set up for money wiring purposes just in case.

If they can't use banks, they can use things like gift cards as long as they are accepted by the retailers in Greece.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:48 | 6249035 shovelhead
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I can tell your one of those "tin-foil hatters" that just WILL NOT believe that remarkable coincidences CAN occur.

Maybe the WU employees just randomly decided to go on vacation this week?

The perfect week to clean the air ducts in the office to get rid of that fish and feta cheese smell?

There's a million explanations for this random and unconnected occurrence.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:09 | 6249190 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Of you can when you are a sock puppet for a radio transmitter network who's only purpose to generate return signal so it keeps operating, since no return signal means circuit is broken.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:04 | 6248753 ebworthen
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Better yet, hang Juncker and his fellow Banksters and do the World a favor!

Repudiating un-payable debt foisted upon you by Satan worshipers is not suicide.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:04 | 6248756 two hoots
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How did these people get in control of the worlds money supply? 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:16 | 6248832 dogismycopilot
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Because they conned Europe into giving the administrative and bureaucratic powers Hitler was killing to get.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:50 | 6249046 shovelhead
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Metastasis, or metastatic disease, is the spread of a cancer or disease from one organ or part to another not directly connected with it. The new occurrences of disease thus generated are referred to as metastases /m? ?tæs t? si?z/ (sometimes abbreviated "mets").[1][2] It was previously thought that only malignant tumor cells and infections have the capacity to metastasize (also spelled metastasise); however, this is being reconsidered due to new research.[3]

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:24 | 6248760 JustObserving
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Outright bald-faced lies by a Central Bankster - that's what qualified him for his job.

When has the Fed ever spoken the truth? Not since the time of Volcker.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:04 | 6248761 Fun Facts
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ZWO elders [BIS/EU/IMF/FED shareholders] worried that their world domination/usurpation plans are in jeopardy.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:31 | 6248919 ATM
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They are not worried at all. They are working their plan after having planned their work. 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:05 | 6248765 RushRoolz
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"You should say ‘yes’ regardless of what the question is."

 

This reminds me of those elections for Saddam (or any other dictator)... elections were "open and free" and yet the dictator always got 99% of the vote.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:15 | 6248820 ozzzzo
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No he didn't, it was 100%.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2331951.stm

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:06 | 6248771 justinius1969
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What has this guy ever done in the REAL world.. this cunt a needs to fuck off back to Luxemburg where he can play being a good European, whatever he fuck that means..

Go on Greece deafult and lets get this show onthe road..

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:06 | 6248772 mvsjcl
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"You shouldn't commit suicide because you're afraid of dying.""

 

It doesn't even make fucking sense.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:54 | 6249090 shovelhead
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I think you have to be in the EZ to get it.

Sort of like Brits eating beans on toast or putting mustard on watermelon.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:07 | 6248778 fromthinair
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This is interesting, another case of who is waterboarding who, can't tell. Still don't know who is the tenth person. I am speechless.

http://just-a-thought-from-thinair.blogspot.com/

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:08 | 6248782 Smegley Wanxalot
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.... You should say 'yes' regardless of what the question is.

 

Does the EU want to oppress you?    YES

Do you want to take it deep up the ass from Brussels?    YES

Doyou wish Brussels would get nuked?    YES

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:11 | 6248794 Anunnaki
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Translation: you must live in abject poverty to subsidize German lifestyles

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:28 | 6248905 snodgrass
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Not German. Jewish lifestyles.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:11 | 6248795 KenShabby
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"I love you deeply."

That is what every abuser says as they smack the shit out of you - for your own good mind you.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:36 | 6248962 Paveway IV
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It's really Greece's falult here - they're repeatedly and violently slamming their face into the EU's fist. The EU is begging them to stop, but the Greeks are stubborn: "Don't tell me what to do, damn it! You're not my boss..."

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:55 | 6249100 shovelhead
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I lol-ed

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:11 | 6248798 yogibear
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Greece should do an Iceland and round up the banksters and punish them.

Let the mob take care of the rounded up banksters. 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:11 | 6248799 mog
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Worse things than death?

Yep!

The Fourth Reich dressed up as the EUSSR.

Banks not tanks.

But just the same.

Screw evey EU country to Merkel dominated serfdom.

You're first Greece.

Either get out or become German slaves.

But hurry up and get on with it.

.

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:12 | 6248802 Catalonia
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No man, Persian or Greek, no man threatens a central banker!

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:13 | 6248806 Dre4dwolf
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The Greeks will instinctively blame their bank, not the newly formed Govt.

You dont blame the captain of the ship for crashing the ship when he took control of the helm after the previous captain already hit the ice berg. . . 

People will naturally blame the banks.

You will see massive destruction of bank owned real-estate . . . windows smashed, atms ripped from walls . . . etc will be the norm.

Greeks are born with an innate hatred for banking institutions, its genetic.

Not to be racist, but the general consensus in Greece is probably that a Govt run by jews and bankers ruined the country lol.

The words trending on the streets of Greece right now are probably something along the lines of "Kolo Ivrai" (Roughly translated to asshole jews).

 

The entire previous administration was run by X-Goldman Jewish Bankers that pretty much pillaged the country left it in debt shambles and then got - out while the getting was good . . . half the previous administration has millions in off-shore accounts they stole from the previous govt... funds that the govt borrowed in the peoples names.

The debt is truly odious and fraudulent, because the creditors PUT THOSE PEOPLE THERE with the Troika/wrote the laws of Greece that created this mess in the first place, this is the doing of the banks. .  . they thought they would be able to hold it together until they stripped away the soil from under the Greek peoples feet . . .they were mistaken from the looks of it.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:13 | 6248807 Don Diego
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hey Greeks, what would Leonidas or Alexander the Great vote?

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:22 | 6248868 Bag Of Meat
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Nothing. They would have simply stand armed in the gates of their nation, and shout "WE DO NOT SURRENDER TO ANYONE, BRING IT ON" and fight to death against the enemy. This referendum is about choosing between superbad or abysmall surrendering agreement to the EU.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:14 | 6248811 _ConanTheLibert...
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Heil Juncker ?

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:14 | 6248815 Panic Mode
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As his name suggested, he is full of junks

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:15 | 6248824 taketheredpill
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"distance itself from the Eurozone and Europe"....i.e. don't expect trade to run smoothly (if at all) post Grexit?  yet another threat.

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:17 | 6248838 sawman
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Sorry but I thought the offer wouldn't even exist by the time there was a referendum. Get your fucking stories straight. They are plainly now shitting themselves having had their bluff called. Good on you Greece stand your ground and default. Hardship follows either way but at least in default you will end up free of these bastards.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:18 | 6248843 Able Ape
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What a twat!  Look at this avatar, this ape looks infinitely more intelligent and capable than Juncker, The Clown...

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:18 | 6248849 wesson
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"The Commission president said he felt deeply distressed and betrayed"

 

Take a drink and relax ;-)

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:31 | 6248920 Anunnaki
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My how the tables have turned now that the niggers have gotten uppity

Hey Junckhead, how bout you cut some Brie to go with your whine. Wash it down with a nice glass of sour grapes

You thought you could dictate the terms of surrender and unlike 2008, someone finally said nein

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:20 | 6248856 847328_3527
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The Greeks will say "Nicht!"

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:27 | 6248895 Anunnaki
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Six days for the economic jackals to do their thing. I predict it will be like the Scottish National vote:

55% yes to slavery
45% no to the "unknown"

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:21 | 6248863 MrTerry
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Juncker to Greece you must vote   YES

to being a slave and to having a very slow and painfull death.  

Do not vote     NO   for  freedom  and  life

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:24 | 6248883 Tinky
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Interestingly, and please note the crucial connection to Kim Kardashian, were someone to whack him, and professionally dispose of his body a la Pulp Fiction, there'd be Juncker in the trunk.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:24 | 6248884 Anunnaki
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"Playing off one democracy against 18 others is not an attitude which is fitting for the great Greek nation," Juncker said.

Wow condescension much?

You Greek bullies quit picking on us meek Europeans

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:26 | 6248885 SpanishGoop
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Merkel:

1) "it was Putins...o wait...Tsipras his fault".

2) "We are now much better perpared than 5 years ago". He Greece, you have paid for 5 years for that, how does that feel.

3) Replace Greece by taxpayer in 2.

 

F*ck Merkel....arg wait...rather F*ck the EU.

I do have standards.

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:24 | 6248886 Ouagadoudou
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Juncker set thé whole tax fraud scheme that made billions in deficit for all European countries. And now he is in charge of collecting the money for his benefactors. 

If you want a meaningful referendum then just ask: keep Juncker ? Yes / No. First time we would have to vote about those clowns.

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:29 | 6248891 Sirius Wonderblast
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Juncker is the perfect pin-up for the repellent shite who run the EU and all that goes with it. The twat had the nerve to urge Greeks how to vote, while saying he is opposed to and doesn't like votes, and he was an architect of the wittingly-induced disaster in the first place. To quote Armstrong and Miller "All points abroad are filled with mediocrity" - he is the exemplar. He lives down to the atrocious standard of slimy, pompous, self-servingly mendacious, twisting, conniving, self-righteous arseholes I've had the misfortune to spend 30 years of my life having to deal with in the Temple of Mammon (the City). Seems to be something cultural in the two-faced bourgeois would-be Borgias that slither up the pole in
Europe. I sincerely hope the Greeks tell them to f-right-off, for the good of Greece and the world. The edifice is not immovable as they would have us all believe (they never are), it will come down if pushed, and though the reset would be deep and for a while unpleasant, the alternative is permanent slavery crushed under the heel of those slimeballs. Once Greece stands up to them, then there is nothing the swine have left to browbeat Spain, Italy et al - that's why they are so desperately trying to oppress and terrify Greece and its people. The EU/EZ has only one shot at this, then it is a spent force. As I have learned over the years with these people, face them down by sticking to your principals, and your opponent will fall to dust.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:10 | 6249193 Klaatuwept
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City background myself and I agree. They think everyone can be made to do their bidding with bribery or threats of economic hardship to follow because they only understand money themselves and have no principles. The guy is the unelected leader of an undemocratic institution and is ttrying to tellvpeople how to vote. Lets hope he gets a lesson in democracy. Not sure if it will be good or bad for everyone if they default and grexit as it could have all sorts of uninteded consequences but it will be worth it for that reason alone. 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:26 | 6248893 HenryHall
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Herr Juncker does not seem to understand that the referendum is about austerity, not about Europe.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:33 | 6248894 Downtoolong
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"when it's serious you have to lie"

I guess he thinks things are pretty serious again. Oh well, at least he’s still standing by his policy.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:33 | 6248942 Doom and Dust
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Sure, Juncker is just another sociopathic technocrat. Doesn't alter the fact that he and his lies are actually sticking up for Europeans who do pay their taxes, i.e. everyone except the Greek fucktards.

So lie on, sweet sociopaths. I'm OK with anything as long as it puts these greasy Greek fuckers into place.

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:35 | 6248952 rejected
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u.s stocks up again,,,,, Euro up again,,,,, Gold down again,,,, b o r i n g,,,,, again

BTFD  again....

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:37 | 6248969 blumenthal
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I had a terrible nightmare last night! I entered the EU Headquater in Brussels and there was Junkers impaled head in front of the entrance with a sign on which was written: "PAX EUROPA best wishes Muammar al Gaddafi and friends!"

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:38 | 6248976 SMC
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“You should say ‘yes’ regardless of what the question is.” 

USSA too:  Obummercare, Toilet Paper Partnership, No-Freedom Act, Iraq WMD, etc…

The last gasps of “Just Us”, their minions, and the FSA as their world ends.

No need for civil war, they are doing a fine job of killing the very system that provided their advantages.  ROFL!  Perhaps it is time to start seriously considering the reforms that will be required for Americans to trust and be proud of their government.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:39 | 6248979 European on my ...
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To quote 'Nigel Farage'
"Who Do You Think You're Kidding Mr Juncker"
You 'closet' lederhosen excuse for a Humen being. You embarrass the nation of Luxenbourg. The 'National Soliciting Party' is just that.
A 'Prostitute of false ideas and ideals.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:40 | 6248989 SpanishGoop
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Merkel as standup comedian

"we are not trying to influence the Greek referendum".

She's just as funny as Juncker.

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:41 | 6248997 adonisdemilo
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Gosh ! It must be serious. That two faced little shit is lying again.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:42 | 6249002 Debugas
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democracy has left europe long ago

Greece is trying to revive it

thank them for that

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:43 | 6249009 BoPeople
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Junker to Greece: "We have you by the balls, now stop fighting for your freedom and dignity and act like a good little slave".

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 09:48 | 6249032 Doom and Dust
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Yeah, because slaves usually get free handouts from their masters, 50% haircuts on their borrowed funds, retirement at 50 and free healthcare and education.

 

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:09 | 6249182 shovelhead
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But look at all the benefits you get from being in the EZ.

You won't have to look at unsightly crooked cucumbers in your grocery stores.

Chopping a radius means one side of the slice is thicker than the other and OCD Germans really hate that kind of shit.

Mon, 06/29/2015 - 10:17 | 6249227 Doom and Dust
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EU rules have nothing whatsoever to do with the Eurozone. I'm used to Yanks talking out of their arse. In fact it's become hard to tell where their mouth ends and their shithole begins.

But parading your undereducated ignorance around like a dog with three dicks - well that's just unsightly.

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