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NATO Member Turkey Breaks Ranks: Slams EU Austerity, Offers Greek Aid
While perhaps not on the scale of China or Russia assistance, Turkey has thrown its hat into the Troika-Greece farce by offering financial assistance to its embattled neighbor. As ekthimerini reports, "We are ready to help Greece survive its economic crisis with cooperation in tourism, energy, trade," Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said and Turkey's left-wing parties showed solidarity by adding, "we believe that apart from imposing austerity policies on peoples of Europe, there can be more reasonable agreements." While no aid has been asked fro Turkey says it is ready to evaluate options.
Turkey on Tuesday said it was "ready to help" Greece out of its escalating financial crisis as its embattled neighbor edged closer to default.
"We are ready to help Greece survive its economic crisis with cooperation in tourism, energy, trade," Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said in the capital, Ankara.
"We want Greece to be strong... Therefore Turkey will be positive toward any proposal for cooperation," he said in televised comments.
Davutoglu added that a Turkish delegation would travel to Greece for a high-level cooperation meeting as soon as possible to consider joint steps on the financial crisis.
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Turkish Economy Minister Nihat Zeybekci said on Monday if an official proposal for financial aid is made by Greece, "we will evaluate it."
Turkey's left-wing and Pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) also issued a message of solidarity with Greece, saying: "We are together with the Greek people and their government in their struggle for justice, equality and democracy and against austerity."
"We believe that apart from imposing austerity policies on peoples of Europe, there can be more reasonable agreements, which will be acceptable," said the co-chairs of HDP, considered the Turkish equivalent of Greece's ruling SYRIZA party.
It seems Greece has friends after all, and as we 'joked' previously:
Greece really just needs a DIP not bigger than $10 billion to last it 6 months. Should be easily 5-6x oversubscribed in 24 hours
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) June 28, 2015
Perhaps Turkey will provide the DIP?
Meanwhile, work goes on with other options... Greece hasn’t sought aid from Russia, support wouldn’t hurt, Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis tells in intw with Russia’s state TV channel Rossiya 24.
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- Greece expects EU to be reasonable, sees too much pressure from Brussels now
- Lafazanis reiterates that accord with Russia on gas link isn’t aimed at Europe
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Turkey has no money to help Greece? Wo are they fucking joking?
Wow, either it's a black swan or just another rumor.
Turks and Greeks have a very long history of not liking each other ... not sure how to look at this bit ...
Regards,
Cooter
Silver just said, "I'll be bock".
cue an ISIS related terrorist attack on some soft target in turkey...
"thats a nice country you guys got there, be a real shame if something bad happened to it"
Greeks and Turks getting along? What next, a joint vacation to Israel? I'll believe it when I see it, although I do think the Greeks and Turks have a lot more in common than they like to think, history has muddied those waters tremendously.
Well, Erdogan says he wants to invade Jerusalem so....
Turkey to aid Greece? Like they aid Syria?
HEY !! Send In the Clowns !!
Beware of Turks bearing gifts.
I cannot recall a time when Greece and Turkey aided one another. Owned, for sure. Aided, doubtful.
SouthStream?
Wake up people. Russia want's to help Greece but that would create a big stink. So they use Greece as PROXI! Hey it works for Washington.
Yessir, Mr Cooter. I'm a bit confused here. I would say "Now I've heard it all," but I have this sneaking suspicion that we're just getting started with the crazy.
I think Turkey may actually be trolling Greece here... ;)
I think that Greece and Turkey both are bloody well tired of the West's shoving crapola down their collective throats as tools and pawns.
Why not as in "F* American Imperialism" as the catch all to push back against the "West" (Anglo-American, etc) as stated by that Kraut politician
And you betchur life that some other powers with interests in the region are not stroking countries such as Greece, Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
Now who could that be?
Hey knuckles, the Turks can sell their treasury holdings as well...
http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/mfh.txt
That's what I'm wondering about. I get the feeling that Russia is doing a little sub-rosa pump priming......
Everybody wants some of those islands and since Greece has so many of them ,even the poor and former enemies see an opportubity especially when they are at your doorstep like Turkey.
I'm sure the Turks would be happy to take care of the Greeks under the umbrella of a new Ottoman Empire. At this point, the Greeks are sufficiently addicted to Government handouts that they might just go along with it.
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There's plenty of outlets here in the USA that cater to...
Beware of Greeks... er, Trojans bearing gifts.
What help could Trojans possibly offer? Hmm...
Beware of Greeks wearing Trojans?
Turkey has the 17th largest GDP in the World and unlike the west it's growing ( deals with Russia & China Pipeline/Transit and silk road project and AIIB )
Their debt to gdp is approx. 40%.
In comparison to the EU we have Italy with a gdp to debt of 140%. Wont bother to mention the rest of the PIGS Merde.
Germany, Turkey and Russia, working together (w/ possibly Iran/Persia), could control the better part of Central Eurasia, taking both the Suez Canal and Strait of Hormuz (the two most critical bottlenecks in the region, not currently in these nations' control).
Turkey could sell their treasuries!!!!!
http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/mfh.txt
Well the Turks do buy/use alot of gold to facilitate their trade with Iran, I suppose this is what they mean (ie join their system) and am sure the Russians can chip in too.
Surely with some strings attached?
I just saw a pig flying south. Someone tell me what it all means ?
In a private jet? Hitlery is campaigning.
Regards,
Cooter
It wasn't on a broomstick, so I doubt it was Hitlery.
That was a 'Hassa'...
Activate all Turskish operatives for implending false flag attack
What a bunch of BS, Greece and Turkey are enemies of each other!
The north and south got along after the CW when the north offered to rebuild the south ... right? Let's have a beer and forget about it!
Regards,
Cooter
Didnt see a sarc tag there, so I'll throw in that it took a couple generations in some areas of the US for people to be able to tolerate.the fucking carperbagger scum.
The 4th of July was not celebrated in Vicksburg until after the Japs surrendered.
It was sarc. The turks and greeks have a long history of hating each other, so that was the paralell I was painting for those that might not have a reference point.
Regards,
Cooter
also possible that Turkey got a secret OK from EU heads, because Bottom Line: the EU is not going to let Greece exit...but they gotta Bluff, play it hard, make it look real, etc.
But, with the Line already forming with Portugal, Ireland, Span and even Italy <who also had entered with a similar fake biikeeeping, all positioning ...so really, when you think about it, and apparently some Greeks did, they'll get some kinda created SAVE
Understood.
Have a great 4th....I'm going to spend mine remembering July 1969.
"""""remembering July 1969.""""
seeing you said thia, I just had to comment
recently I've been thinking back to the very same year 1969...like no other year
I believe only those who are now 60-70ish y/o would understand
Agreed.
When I was a teenager back in 1976 I worked for a Greek gas station owner. There was a spat between Greek and Turkish Cypriots and all the owner could say was what vermin the Turks were.
I had no idea the depth of acrimony that existed between the two.
very true...and thank you. i had it in mind that it was corsica; but you're correct, the war still rages in cyprus, the turks have come down with a feverish case nuvo-ottomania, greek anime viz the turks stays white-hot...this is more an under-handed (and somewhat sinister) insult than legitimate offer of aide, and turkey would love nothing more than to settle some olde scores.
it's like a little wink. the turks would love to see the greeks accept 'aide' from russia. let's not forget that it was the cypriot banks wherein russia's hot-money got 'impaired'. greece is just fucked in such a stupendous fashion it's hard to fathom.
oh, well...that's what happens when you let a bunch of communists chase out all your most productive and enterprising citizens. thanks, commies...greek-americans have been a boon to this nation; and they left the dreck behind to wallow in their indolent workers' paradise.
and now amorica is pushing guys like us out. someplace is going to substantially benefit from our domestic bolsheviks' devilry. i'm guessing europe & s. america will be happy to welcome a horde of hard-working, law-abiding and highly-civilized people of integrity. because we sure-as-shit aren't welcome here.
p.s. janus will not be celebrating the 4th this year. i think i shall instead fast and pray that God Almighty smites this land with a curse.
Malachi ch. 4:5-6
"Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. 6"He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse."
on second thought...just go ahead with the curse, Lord. i've had it with this vile and disgusting country.
in the meantime, amorica: just go back to your video games, sporting events, politics and hydrogenated gruel...it's best for all concerned if you remain in your somnambulance and stupefaction.
luv,
janus
It's Realpolitik+Game Theory in action. One of the reason I don't believe we're doomed to an NWO dystopia is that TPTB in the .001% still seek their seperate interests. The conspiracy can only go so far as those interests align. The closest we ever got was the 20th Century Communist movement and it split in half (Sino/Soviet) within a few decades and was all but extinct by the 80's. It turns out running a Dystopian/Totalitarian regime is a lot of work that doesn't pay off. Zee Geman financial power is finding creating a soft dystopia to be equal folly...
Random thought for the day: "Anthony Sutton's "conclusion from his research on the issue was that the conflicts of the Cold War were "not fought to restrain communism", since the United States, through financing the Soviet Union "directly or indirectly armed both sides in at least Korea and Vietnam"; rather, these wars were organised in order "to generate multibillion-dollar armaments contracts", same as the Space Race...
Thats why they love fascism, because it parlays influence into wealth. Can't keep up with those damn free market capitalists, so you organize government subsidies for your own industries (reminds me of a certain Elon Musk, TBH)
was the "of each other" necessary
Needs only a common greater enemy.
Might get...........................Bait
Millions of Euros..........................They need Billions
Historic enemies, interesting!
Possible major re-alignment geopolitically coming up.
What was that old joke about Greece helping Russia attack Turkey in the rear?
May the gods smile on all of you and us who stand up to the beast.
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/
Turkey/Russia getting real close. Wouldn't look good for a Russian deal with Greece so proxy Turkey fillin in.
Syrian situation is fascinating.
It makes a lot of sense for Turkey to leave NATO.
With all these countries being raped by the IMF and Goldman, why should they not abandon the temple moneychangers and go with the EEU/SCO???
TURKEY WILL SOON NEED A BAILOUT TOO..
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-05-13/erdogan-s-imf-triumph-...
YOU CANNOT CONQUER THE WORLD BY DEBT ALONE.
the imf and goldman sachs are like the devil bearing gifts. what happens after the gifts are all used up?
turkey bailing out anyone is a joke. they cannot print euros so they cannot bailout anyone owing euro-debt simple.
They could sell U.S. paper and buy Euros...
http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/mfh.txt
C'mon Greece, just default on all that debt already! After it's gone (and the banks who lent them the moola in the first place are simmering in their own stew), then will be the time for friends and neighbours to help the Greek people. Before then, any help would just go into the wrong pockets.
If Greece becomes a failed state you have 2 problems for the Turks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
The region is home to Greece's main Muslim minority, made up mainly of Pomaks and Western Thrace Turks, whose presence dates to the Ottoman period. Unlike the Muslims of Greek Macedonia, Epirus, and elsewhere in northern Greece, they were exempted from the Greek-Turkish population exchange following the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne
The treaty delimited the boundaries of Greece, Bulgaria, and Turkey; formally ceded all Turkish claims on the Dodecanese Islands (Article 15); Cyprus (Article 20);[11] Egypt and Sudan (Article 17); Syria and Iraq (Article 3); and (along with the Treaty of Ankara) settled the boundaries of the latter two nations.
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The Treaty of Lausanne led to the international recognition of the sovereignty of the new Republic of Turkey as the successor state of the defunct Ottoman Empire.
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Greece becomes a failed state the treaty becomes no longer 'law' or of legal standing meaning Turkey is ripe for being carved up by international powers...
Get the popcorn out for this one, faith in the lie that international law can be an underpinning for a global government is about to tested along with central banking playing the same role for a global currency.
The dominoes start toppling in more than one direction once Greece becomes a failed nation state.
Are Turkey and Greece to be bound together by a Russian pipeline?
The next thing you know the Cypriots will be offering bailouts to Greece. It's a mad mad world.
What austerity?
"Austerity" does not mean a decrease in the rate of inceased spending.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&init=1&language=en&p...
Care to point out where the austerity is?
I think the problem is that the increased spending goes to ever increasing interest payments - this is the classic debt death spiral. It is a fact that the average Greek famlily is now surviving on 7000 Euros a year.
Remember occupy, how many american people called those activists dirty hippies or no good bums? Now if anybody or any entity decides to stand with the greek people against the beast, please do not denigrate or nitpick, but if anything, applaud and assert assistance. Do not show a divided front that TPTB so badly want and need.
Greece needs more than just moral support or future promiseses Cash is needed now and they really do not care where it comes from.
This actually kind of makes sense regarding the West's primal fear of Greece turning Red. Turkey can extend a hand, and keep the NATO bond going. This doesn't seem like breaking ranks so much as a back channel way to bring the Greeks to heel.
Turks understand and like gold.
Understand gold ? The value of gold is a social construct and a matrix in itself.
(so much for goldbugs on ZH who lament/despise of others for being stuck in "the matrix")
The value of gold is simple, and apparently hardwired in human biology: women will fuck for it. Thus it will always have value to men.
As the world turns…as reported by the AP, i.e., “news” interlaced with media monopoly opinion:
Former Oil Tycoon (Mikhail Khodorkovsky) Named Murder Suspect in Russia | Associated Press
June 30, 2015
(MOSCOW) — Russian investigators announced Tuesday they are reopening the case of the 1998 killing of a Siberian mayor and consider former oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky a prime suspect.
At the time when Nefteyugansk Mayor Vladimir Petukhov was shot dead, he was involved in a conflict with Khodorkovsky’s oil company, Yukos, over the payment of taxes to the town. Khodorkovsky and his associates have denied any involvement and no one has been convicted in the killing.
The announcement that investigators were considering whether to charge Khodorkovsky (Jewish) with ordering the killing came as he is becoming an increasingly strong voice in Russian opposition politics.
Khodorkovsky has lived in exile in Switzerland since his 2013 release from prison, where he spent 10 years on charges of tax evasion, embezzlement and money laundering that were seen as punishment for challenging President Vladimir Putin’s power. He funds a Russian civil society organization called Open Russia.
Investigators now have information implicating Khodorkovsky directly in the killing of the mayor and other crimes, Vladimir Markin, the spokesman for the federal Investigative Committee, said in a statement. He said they intended to question Khodorkovsky, and “his absence from Russian territory would not be an insurmountable obstacle.”
Khodorkovsky’s spokeswoman Olga Pispanen said there would be no comment, the Tass news agency reported.
The Kremlin is suspicious of non-governmental organizations, especially those funded from abroad, seeing them as aimed at undermining Putin’s rule. The Russian government also is fighting a ruling made last year by an arbitration court in The Hague, Netherlands, that it must pay $50 billion to compensate the former shareholders of Yukos, which was bankrupted in the same legal onslaught that sent Khodorkovsky to prison.
http://time.com/3941621/mikhail-khodorkovsky-russia-murder-suspect/
After he came to power, Putin called a meeting with all the oligarchs from the Yeltsin era. He made them an offer. He stated that they could keep their ill-gotten gains privided i) they stay out of politics and ii) they paid their taxes.
All but one went along. The exception - the psycho Khodakovsky. I'm sure all the records from the Yeltsin era will reveal some juicy details.
Khodorkovsky, Rothschild.
Rothschild, Khodorkovsky.
All you need to know, is that when arrested, it turned out Khodorkovsky didn't actually OWN any of the (Yukos) shares in his name, they were actually owned by Jacob Rothschild, from 'the Crown' City of London.
Wait what? Why offer aid? Do they have some derivatives to unload? I think turkey is trying to buy time.
They both have the new Gazprom pipeline in common. Secondly, Turkey has been trying for years to get into the SCO with China and Russia. And Putin and Tspiras recent dialog in St. Petersberg, what was dicussed? A Pivot East?
Please don't take this seriously. Turkey and Greece have been bitter enemies for at least 2,500 years. This is just Turkey taking a rub-your-nose in it, f-u victory lap over their "friends" across the Agean. Turkey wouldn't offer any real aid, and they know the Greeks would never take it. There are people in Greece that would spit on you (if your lucky) for just making the suggestion.
Are there any real Greeks left? I'd say modern Greeks are basically Ottoman Turks who stayed in Greece, just a little more blonde...
Like BLOND MONGOLIANS ?
Right , whatever you say chump.
Ummm! I wouldn't sell the Turks short in the blondes department. They've been having more fun in Asia Minor for a while. Sweden it ain't, but it ain't Mexico either! They've been fraterinizing(?) with those Slavs a bit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxelana
European slaves were popular harem inventory in the Topkapi I guess. I was a little surprised at the number of fair haired Turks I saw in Istanbul when I was there recently.
Let's see.
Who do I hate more, the Greeks of 2500 years ago or the Negroes and neocons of today?
2500 years ago the Greeks didn't foment trouble in the Taksim, like the CIA does nowadays.
Better stick with Putin and Greece.
Ehhh, actually, they did... in the 4th century BC Greece conquered most of what is now modern Turkey... along with Syria, Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.
Better stick to the facts.
" Turkey and Greece have been bitter enemies for at least 2,500 years." You mean the Persians. And the Persians ARE very good friends of the Greeks. I 've seen it.
"Turkey wouldn't offer any real aid, and they know the Greeks would never take it." Well there is PRIVATE cooperation as there are Greek Speakers in Turkey as they are Greek moslems in reality. and Greeks speaking turkish ,i.e. Refugees from Turkey.
There also all the crooks that robbed Greece (politicians and their buddies) that have invested in Turkey BIG money, especially in new buildings.
The last comment is correct though.
Given the two cultures, they are unlikely to use the USD or the EUR.
More than likely that they'll do some bartering. If there's one thing that Greece has lots more of than Turkey, it's Shipping capacity. Might work.
Both of them are favorite holiday destinations for the Russians.
Hey, Bammy, don't forget the Montreux Convntion.
in 1984 Bill Murray warned us about "human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA!" but Turks & Greeks cooperating?!?
may have to swing by church on way home...
Turkey offering to try to help Greece tells us that Turkey is throwing in the towel on joining the EU, that it is positioning for a new relationship with a Greece that will be out of the EU, and that Greece will be joining the Eastern block.
And if Turk Stream gets built through a newly independent Greece, it then means the EU has traded 1 problematical transit country (Ukraine) for 2 problematical transit countries (Turkey, Greece). This ought to be good.
Maybe they would pay alot to not have a country full of Greek refugees.
Turkey joining EU nowadays? Won´t happen.
Don´t think they want to pay for others plus Ukraine.
Turks are nice and have a beautiful country.
if there is not the smell of garlic when they talk to you
Currency swaps.
Greece's friends can swap currency Drachmae for Turkish Lira, Yuan, Rubles, whatever any country is willing to help and buy Greece exports.
Better yet if the Drachma is pegged at par with one of those.
psst.... Hey dude... come to the back door for your shit....
or would that be horse?
ok, heres the deal : Turkey is not helping Greece as such but poking one in EUs eye, because they rejected Turkey as member, at the same time they are winning a friend for their EU bid later on, furthermore they are pleasing Russia which is intenssively protecting Greece and it government from 'undercover destabilization operations' and assasination of its leaders.
Putin promised Tsipras FSB protection.
Even the US is pissed the german fuhrer is bullying Greece.
There are no negatives for Turkey and plenty positives
Why not have Turkey annex Greece and run the country? Don't Greeks have more in common with Turks than the EU ?