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Defiant Tsipras Addresses Nation, Urges "No" Referendum Vote
Come Monday, the Greek government will be at the negotiating table after the #referendum, w/better terms for the Greek people. #dimopsifisma
— Alexis Tsipras (@tsipras_eu) July 1, 2015
You're being blackmailed & urged to vote Yes to all of institutions' measures without any solution to exiting the crisis. #dimopsifisma #OXI
— Alexis Tsipras (@tsipras_eu) July 1, 2015
#??? (NO) is not just a slogan.
NO is a decisive step toward a better deal. #Greece #dimopsifisma #Greferendum
— Alexis Tsipras (@tsipras_eu) July 1, 2015
A socially just agreement that puts burden on those who can shoulder it, & not on pensioners & workers once again. #Greece #Greferendum #OXI
— Alexis Tsipras (@tsipras_eu) July 1, 2015
There are those who say that I have hidden agenda, that w/an #OXI / NO vote, I'll take #Greece out of EU.
They are flat out lying to you.
— Alexis Tsipras (@tsipras_eu) July 1, 2015
They see Europe as a superficial union w/IMF being "glue" that binds. They are not the visionaries Europe needs. #Greece #dimopsifisma #OXI
— Alexis Tsipras (@tsipras_eu) July 1, 2015
Salaries & pensions are safe.
The bank deposits of citizens who didn't withdraw their money are safe. #Greece #dimopsifisma #OXI
— Alexis Tsipras (@tsipras_eu) July 1, 2015
We owe it to our parents, our children, ourselves. It is our duty.
We owe it to history. #Greece #Greferendum #dimopsifisma #OXI
— Alexis Tsipras (@tsipras_eu) July 1, 2015
After a letter surfaced which shows Athens is ready to accept the latest proposal presented by the troika (i.e. the now expired offer from Brussels) in exchange for a third rescue package worth nearly €30 billion, Greek PM Alexis Tsipras was set to address the nation. As a reminder, a little before 5am CET, news hit that Tsipras was willing to concede to virtually all creditor demands, with a few exceptions.
There was some expectation that he would fold completely and call off the referendum. Precisely the opposite happened.
From Bloomberg:
Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras called for voters to reject austerity measures in Sunday’s referendum to help end a standoff with creditors as the country gets a taste of financial meltdown.
It took a third day of capital controls, rationing pensions and the expiry of Greece’s bailout for the government in Athens to say it’s willing to accept his adversaries’ latest offer as a basis for compromise. The looming vote remains a stumbling block, along with disagreements over pensions, spending and taxes.
“Come Monday, the Greek government will be at the negotiating table after the referendum, with better terms for the Greek people,” Tsipras said in a Twitter message posted as he spoke on national television. “A popular verdict is much stronger than the will of a government.”
The Greek premier spoke following a rhetorical exchange with his chief antagonists over a bid to revive negotiations. While Tsipras signaled he’s prepared to compromise on the starting point for talks, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Europe’s dominant leader, refused to engage
Merkel and her finance minister, Wolfgang Schaeuble, burned by five months of brinkmanship, said there would be no talks on a new bailout until after the July 5 vote.
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“There can be no negotiations for a new credit program before the referendum,” the chancellor told lawmakers in a speech opening a parliamentary debate on Greece. The country has provided “no basis for talking about any serious measures” to break the deadlock, Schaeuble told reporters.
“The clock cannot be simply set back to where it was Friday night before Tsipras broke off the talks and called the referendum,” Holger Schmieding, an analyst at Berenberg Bank, wrote to clients. “A deal is still possible, but it would require more than just this letter.”
So did the bluffing Greek government take game theory too far? Or is this all part of the plan? At this point it is safe to say, nobody really knows what is going on.
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Earlier:
Although the latest opinion polls show a narrow majority of Greeks would vote "no" in the referendum scheduled for this weekend, the bite of capital controls and threat of an imminent banking sector collapse have heaped pressure on the government which, as of midnight, became the first developed country to default to the IMF.
- TSIPRAS SAYS REFERENDUM NOT ABOUT EURO OR NOT EURO
- TSIPRAS CALLS FOR `NO' VOTE IN JULY 5 REFERENDUM
- GREECE RECEIVED BETTER PROPOSALS FOR DEBT AFTER REFERENDUM CALL
- IF POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT IN EUROGROUP WE WILL RESPOND: TSIPRAS
- TSIPRAS SAYS EUROPE SHOULD GIVE TIME AND SPACE TO GREEKS
- TSIPRAS SAYS CREDITORS SHIFTED BLACKMAIL FROM GOVT TO CITIZENS
- WE WILL RESUME TALKS ON MONDAY
- IF EUROGROUP APPROVES DEAL WE’LL RESPOND ACCORDINGLY
- REFERENDUM IS FOR THE A APPROVAL OR NOT OF DEAL
- GOVERNMENT STILL WANTS DEAL WITH CREDITORS
- REFERENDUM NOT FOR STAY OR NOT IN EURO
- TSIPRAS SAYS GOVT FIGHTING TO PROTECT PEOPLE'S PENSIONS
- TSIPRAS SAYS NO VOTE IS DECISIVE STEP TOWARD BETTER DEAL
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Translation................please
Europe is now forever the enemy of Greece.
now?
For goodness sake - just accept a deal already! This is madness! What Greece needs now is decisiveness and bold action. This is not the time for referendums - if Greece doesn't act now they risk complete disaster. Simply accepting the deal will give them the necessary funds to implement a modern socialist economy (based on the Scandanavian model) and start rebuilding the lives of their people.
What do Greece and drunk Russians have in common ?
Answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ0QmS6aSZ0
OXI Day 2.0??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig8sgY5vRWM
...Pick one... Juncker, Draghi or Lagarde will become an Archduke Ferdinand False Flag event beginning W W # 3.
This is all theater. The referendum will pass and Tsipras will resign. So say the Banksters.
Why did the ECB freeze its Emergency Liquidity Assistance (ELA) to Greece? The ECB will undoubtedly come up with all sorts of legal justifications. Whether true or not, this will not change the outcome.
If the ECB is truly legally bound to stop ELA, this means that the Eurozone architecture is deeply flawed.
Either way, this is a disastrous step.
Whether it likes it or not, every central bank is a lender of last resort to commercial banks.
http://www.voxeu.org/article/grexit-staggering-cost-central-bank-dependence
If I owe someone $72,000 euros, I have a problem.
If I owe $72 BILLION Euros, you have a problem!
this guy is doing the best he can to call in the
SNIPERS ON THE ROOOOOOOFS!!!!
Global Economic And Financial System On The Verge Of Total Collapse
"If I owe $72 BILLION Euros, you have a problem"
How about 18 TRILLION??? And throw in a bunch more TRILLIONS that aren't even accounted for---unfunded "liabilities".
The Greeks should kidnap Warren Buffet and tell him they will let him live for 72 Billion.
A third of that 18 trillion is treasuries the FED will hold until maturity, so it's really "only" 12 Trillion. As for unfunded liabilities, only a fool (or a Greek voter apparently) expects those benefits to be available. And unlike Greece we will bomb the shot out of anyone moving away from the dollar whose not a BRICS member. See, it's not so bad LOL!
O boy. The "we are borrowing from ourselves" argument. Not sure if you are using the /s tag or not. We should just borrow 100 Trillion from ourselves, think of the economic explosion we will have if we spent all that money----all of the JOBS!! Thats about the same as the bank loaning the mortgagee the mortgage payment and letting them stay in the house. Thats where Greece is today. Can't make the mortgage payment, and they are begging the bank to make the mortgage payment for them. Just add it onto the existing debt.....we'll pay it someday.
I'm only half snarking. Obviously the debt is a problem, but every time I here "The FED can't raise rates because the debt" I just like to remind everyone that as long as the FED has the ability to monetize they can manipulate interest rates without really changing the effective dollars paid. Need the interest rate higher to pop a bubble or whatever? Raise it and backdoor QE a higher percentage of treasuries whose interest payments you return to the Treasury anyway. It's all fucking Monopoly money...
This world may yet implode, but I've seen nothing to convince me it will be because a paper promise on a promise on a promise was unsurprisingly not honored.
“The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: perhaps then we can force them to conform.
I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East.”
- Henry Kissinger, ZWO Mac Daddy 1974
@wiser: Tsipras, Varoufakis and the whole greek government are astounded by exactly this
"What do Greece and drunk Russians have in common ?"
wrong... here's the answer: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com.br/2015/06/the-care-and-feeding-of-financi...
If accepting a deal means giving up the Iceland model then it is the wrong approach.
And, btw, don't say "Europe is now forever the enemy of Greece." Rather "Germany has always been an enemy of Greece."
Anyone now get why people like Hitler came to power? This was the same shit the Germans were under after a war they never asked for, by a cabal who stabbed them in the back to get Israel. This shit makes me sick to watch. Same shit, new day.
Then a whole bunch of folks got what they deserved. And a whole bunch didn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szAuzBs86iI
Titus....Thanks for posting that. Made my day.
The Scandinavians actually produce goods and services and have the tax thingy down pat.
Plus they pump oil, not grow it.
Richard Nixon always wanted a blowjob.
But he could never get it down Pat.
They need to socialize their banking system, take it out of private banks and have it owned by the people the same as ours is supposed to be. You (gov't) lends money, interest on lending pays for public programs (roads, power, water...). The closest we have is the Bank of North Dakota (State owned Bank).
There is nothing wrong with private banks, as long as the fed's stay out of the way and let them fail if they make bad decisions. For instance, having the fed's insure our deposits is a moral hazard because the bank will more than likely make bad decisions and not care about runs , since deposits are insured. Private markets always win, if we would let them.
Amazing that four retards downvoted you. This site is becoming more and more FSA with each passing moment. Look at the clown above you calling for a nationalization of banks, cause somehow preventing price discovery won't lead to more massive economic disasters. Thanks for speaking common sense.
Paid trolls. Cheap ones too and not able to engauge in any real debate on these issues.
They are like those who watch MSNBC or some of the FOX shows. Waiting for the host to form their opinion for them.
Chris88,
Please explain how extend and pretend will lead to good price discovery in the markets? A new loan comes into being, then it blows through the greek economy without doing any transactions. It then vectors straight away to pay off foreign bond holders.
The debt on the new bond, then is hooked on the entire population, putting them into austerity. This austerity is a drain of existing Euro's, which then does what to prices?
Money does relate to prices, especially if money volume is in drain.
Debts external to the "market" that then drain purchasing power is somehow good price discovery?
Explain where I endorsed extend and pretend. Nowhere, ever. That's one helluva an imagination.
Oh fake MDB, you are just a shadow of the god-troll who's name you have stolen.
You get my downvote because you need to try harder.
rebuilding their lives. :) until, the new 30 Billion Euro credit card payment comes due.
I can't believe what we are hearing, that Tsipras was willing to accept the credit terms for another 30 Billion Euros!! Seriously!!! Unless it's a smoke screen to buy them time to play their exit...but, what have they been doing for the last 7 years!! Just get out already.
MillionDollarBonus_ says, "For goodness sake - just accept a deal already! This is madness! What Greece needs now is decisiveness and bold action. This is not the time for referendums - if Greece doesn't act now they risk complete disaster."
Let me break this down. "What Greece needs now is decisiveness and bold action". What else is she displaying? What you mean is, "What I implore Greece to do now is to submit totally to the troika".
"This is not the time for referendum". Fuck democracy, these people could actually vote to stand against my masters.
"if Greece doesn't act now they risk complete disaster". Translation, "If Greece doesn't fold now, the eurozone risks a complete disaster."
Fixed it for you.
Bad theater. Kabuki. Plan accordingly
Quotes like this need preserving. Superb....bustards....
Very quote-y, this too...
https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2015/07/01/where-to-ok-actually-how-did...
One of many of Henry Kissinger's inhuman statements.
He had me at anarchic and difficult to tame.
Nothing new or original there, Henry. That is the same M.O. that the Kabal has been using for 200 years in every country that provides them a home or a toehold.
Invasive Species is as Invasive Species does. If the Native Species cannot adapt, they are "Darwinian toast".
Kirk out.
Ya shoulda flushed the cargo hold after toting dem Debian Slime Devils!
Happy to pile on with my long-standing favorite quote from that criminal:
The report’s damning conclusions continued: Had the U.S. not encouraged the Kurds to go along with the Shah and renew hostilities with Iraq, “the Kurds might have reached an accommodation with [Iraq’s] central government, thus gaining at least a measure of autonomy while avoiding further bloodshed. Instead the Kurds fought on, sustaining thousands of casualties and 200,000 refugees.”
One of the officials who testified before the committee in secret session was Henry Kissinger. When questioned by an appalled congressman about the U.S.’s decision to abandon the Kurds to their bloody fate, Kissinger chided the committee, “One should not confuse undercover action with social work.”
I was stunned at the quote - if for no other reason, who would say this publicly?
This quote on Prisoner Planet gave rise to this post:
Indeed...if it's legit.
QuoteI just did some searching and found an interesting blog article by a guy named Nick Sarantakos (or perhaps Nikos Sarandakos?), who supposedly is a translator for the European Parliament. Here's a link to his article, titled "The myth of the statement by Kissinger", which he wrote back in November 2009:
In Greek: http://sarantakos.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/kisinger1/
Translated into English: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=el&u=http://sarantakos.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/kisinger1/&ei=0IPXS4fWIpDUtgO8u6iYBg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://sarantakos.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/kisinger1/%26hl%3Den
Mr. Sarantakos explains here that the quote in question first appeared in Greece in 1987 in a newspaper editorial written by some nationalist lawyer, and it then got a wider audience in 1997 in a monthly magazine that is published by Liana Kanneli, journalist and later Communist Party MP. When asked for proof of the quote, Kanelli said she got it from "Turkish Daily News", but couldn't provide proof because the issue had supposedly disappeared, both the print and electronic versions. Then supposedly, another journalist found the Turkish Daily News issue in question, and there was no such quote. This journalist then supposedly contacted Kissinger, who replied with the following (there's a photo of this letter at Sarantakos' site):
So, I doubt the Kissinger quote is real, but who knows really. If the proof exists, it's nowhere to be found.
Having read the Greek articles concerning this, I can say that it seems to be pretty iffy for this to have been a true quote, at least based on the evidence presented. My 2 cents.
No one knows for sure what's going to happen.
PLEASE LET IT ALL END & do away with the current monetary system.
Free the SLAVES!
WHAT! Are you crazy!!! How are the elites going to pass their time? You are cruel!
Adopt an elite today. Be kind to them and euthanize at the earliest convenience
With the little Greek I know
I think he said Greece will swawp some of thier Gold for Silver and issue Silver coinage as the new currency.
They should:
Capital formation would begin, Greece would thrive.
#4 Gold backed currency.
While that would be a good idea in a world where nations could do what they needed to do for their own interest, this could not work today. If you think the TPTB would let Greece create a free, gold backed currency without wiping them out, I have ocean front property to sell you in North Dakota.
Items 1 through 3 on your list are entirely plausible.
Item 4 recently didn't work so well for Libya and Khaddafi. Only Russia and China will be allowed to have a gold-backed currency in our lifetime, and only because the central banksters don't have a way of stopping them... yet?
Why would an out of control, overgrown welfare state adopt a gold backed currency? They want to eventually leave the EU so they can print drachmas like toilet paper (which will be more valuable) and give them to the Free Shit Army. Somehow it'll all be Germany's fault when hyperinflation comes. That country will NOT cut government, they are a perfect example of what happens when society becomes totally reliant on government.
" Greece will swawp some of thier Gold for Silver and issue Silver coinage as the new currency."
That would be an excellent move. By weight they get 60 times more coinage, and blow up the Silver Shorts, appreciating the value of their new coins.
"Plausible deniability"
Means still negotiating hard ! Now it's about the actual content of the deal ....
Well I think they should add 3G and USB.
firewire!
Definately, along with wing tips and a satchel.
Ok. I'm confused now. Schaeueble says referendum meaningless because proposal has expired and says no more talks until referendum he previously says is moot. Greece still having referendum on something that doesn't exist. Game theory gone wrong.
I think Schuable is a wanker that doen't like people referendum . A no vote will give more confidence to Tzipras and his stance on this disaster caused by the idiots of the EU . I hope Tzipras takes Greece out of the EU And NATO . A no refrendum will demonstrate that finally the Greek people understand the problem .
Stay in the EU and be slaves of the banksters forever or return to the drachma and make new friends East of the EU and have no debts .
It's better to be poor than slaves of the criminals in the EU
Nothing changes
Dear Alexis: Shut the fuck up and let the people vote.
me thinks EU is negotiating but refuses to admit it. Classic recipe for disaster.
At least watching the EuroParl live feeds had translaters.
This could have all been prevented by not spending money you don't have and making your country more free economically. What a novel idea eh?
Re, ALL legal tender today is debt with interest due; interest which does not exist, so can not be paid. Got it?
Eventually, everybody loses to this black hole. Just some before others, but eventually, everyone.
Thats only if there is a baseline to devalue against, without a baseline like a commodity standard there can be no legal accounting of things.
Its difficult to measure a rope when you control the means to measure it.
Oh wait, you are talking about Greece...
Tsipras "F*ck you Europe"
EUR reaction....bullish.
Tyler, can we have the deer-in-headlights GIF? I don't think it's ever been more appropriate. Granted, a weasel-in-headlights GIF would apparently be even more appropriate here...
"I tell you this, early this morning I have signed my death warrant”
~ Michael Collins
Tsipras is Toast. Referendum "yes" vote is assured with austerity impact further enslaving Greeks. Lesson---Live within your means or suffer the consequences.
Yes referendum. No referendum. Withdrawn referendum.
Tsipras is toast regardless, unless Syriza makes an eleventh hour deal with KKE.
Tsipras you Dumb Fucker... ICELAND / ICELAND / ICELAND. What part of that do you not understand?
Drachma / Drachma / Drachma. What part of that do you not understand?
Are you seriously considering going deeper into debt to pay-off debt?
It's time to hang Central Bankers from the Light Post. All over the world!
+10, you nailed it.
He wants all the old debt to go away....then he wants the EU to give them more money to pay for his Socialist paradice....they dont pay taxes..they steal...and they dont want to work...sorry..not a good business plan...I think they cant survive a month without food and gas...and yes banks.....going to get pretty lean in Greece....but that is the Socialist way....the Iron Ladys famous quote....
The euro has been around about 20 years or so. Greece as a nation predates Europe. They were running a complex society while LaGarde's ancestors were fingerpainting on the walls of caves.
For an idea of how Greece, and those other 'deadbeat countries' would do without the euro, just look at how they were doing BEFORE the euro.
And fuck that "Iron Lady"...The corporate-fascists run out of 'other people's money' just as quick as the socialists do.
That would involve Greeks prosecuting other Greeks, something that doesn't happen.
Decentralize control of agricultural production so that the people do not starve, and cannot be blackmailed.
IMF requires governments NOT subsidize agricultural production, so agriculture specializes and moves out of country.
This scenario has been repeated in every country with IMF loans.
The means of agricultural production has been stolen from the people, by IMF design.
Agricultural production is the root of economic control over the people. Do as IMF says or starve.
Every country that accepted IMF money went from food security to food insecurity.
ALL needs should be taken control of by Greece, immediately. No Greek should be in fear of being thrown out into the street, starving, or going without medical care. ALL of those things should be taken off the table, right now.
The Troika should be negotiating about MONEY, pure and simple. That money should NOT be tied to the very lives of the Greek citizens. Either the lenders will get their money back, or they won't. But they should NOT hold the power of life or death over the heads of the population of a nation.
Whatever they decide, it should be a freely-made decision, based on sound economics. NOT on fear of death.
Those things are only on the table in the pressure cooker of the negotiating process. Everyone in Europe knows they will not allow widows and orphans to starve or go without medicine. The rest is scaremongery.
The EU sent 96 Billion overseas in aid last year - they ain't gonna let Grandma Hypatia starve or miss her pills. This is all posturing...
My take - the two sides are not far apart, but rather than cut a deal and lose face, they call for a referendum to lay the decision off on the citizens. The Greek govt knows it needs a Yes, and they'll probably get it from the Greek people who appear to favor the Euro. Throw in capital controls, cash withdrawal limits to scare people even further toward a Yes. Then its, "well, we wanted a No vote, but YOU said Yes, so it's all good and we should get to stay in power."
Hendrix; yes.
I watched his speech (and understood with the vocabulary of a 6 year old). He was suggesting voting NO, but qualifying this by saying that a NO vote was no to the current offer on - or rather - just taken off the table, but not NO to continuing to negotiate nor to staying in the Euro. It appeared that the call for a referendum may have softened the Troika's stance a bit - so perhaps it is all can kicking in the end, and a NO is vote to continue negotiating for a better deal, not to leave the Eurozone.
Those blonde reporters tho.
I'm sorry, I can't keep up.
What does a NO vote mean?
No one knows it's like that movie Prometheus, it's all just shit that gets put together in a sequence to make people think they watched a movie.
+1... I thought I watched a movie ineed
They may not be sure what they saw, but they know it sucked.
I finally watched "Interstellar" the other day. I had headache for 2 hours afterwords. Weird...
Snap elections, new referendum, more negotiating.
what in the fuck is going on? so, i thought they accepted a proposal / deal to kick the can. if that were the case, there would be no need for a referendum. of course, i'm a dense, mouth-breather from flyover country so that could explain why i can't keep up.
Are 'No" and "Blackmail" not in the algo vocabulary?
Defiant Tsipras Addresses Nation, Calls For "No" Referendum Vote - Live Webcast
BREAKING: Greek Prime Minister says - Bank deposits will not be lost in the face of blackmail.
This is very simply about establishing a precedent that a group of unelected technocrats and bankers can or can not force a country to abandon its social safety net (i.e. pensions) via extortion and blackmail.
If they succeed in Greece, they will be emboldened to replicate everywhere. That's not to say they won't try in other countries if they fail in Greece.
The code phrase for this is "pro growth reforms".
Pensions are not a "safety net" when they weren't earned.
Everyone would be a lot worse off if bankers were elected.
Can't be that bad, there are still car commercials playing on the live feed.
Vote for me. I'll suck your dick. Then I'll suck their dick. Then I'll suck your dick. Woopee! I'm in power.
You certainly know your politics, Dude!
Stay away from me with that breath tho.
Just blown away and quite amazed how Central and World Banks wield such great authority pushing Nation govenrments around like so much as pawns on a chess board. Lets face it, Banksters spent a lot of energy past two centuries building their power over Western civilization they are not going to give up their control so easily.
I'm losing track: are we mad "they" want Greece to pay back money it borrowed, or that "they" won't loan more money to Greece after it hasn't paid back what it borrowed?
You have not been paying attention.
What bankers have done is they hijacked progress right at the turn of the century when oil was becoming the dominant energy source. As a result instead of letting producers of goods and providers of service enjoy unbelievable deflation and 100x rise in the purchasing power due to oil doing all the heavy lifting, they tricked everyone who's not yet been exposed to exponential productivity growth to accept the mandate of price stability. So, while everyone else stayed pretty much the same place they were back when horses pulled buggies around, a selected group of people in charge of money and credit became wealthier than all of the other people combined while doing no productive work whatsoever.
And with threats, bribery, blackmail and murder, they forced us to continue using expensive carbon based energy, withholding cheaper carbon free energy sources. Why? To make them rich, and to make us poor. It's all about control.
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=182&Itemid=60
Less radical reads, and still accurate:
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/10/11/multiple-scientists-confirm-the-reality-of-free-energy-heres-the-proof/
http://www.theorionproject.org/en/suppressed.html
So...you have no idea either?
Snipes: We're safe around here.
Connery: You call this safe?
Snipes: Rough neighborhoods may be Greece's last advantage.
Sorry, I had to.
This shit is giving me a Migraine
Did they default or not?
I wouldn't be surprised if Putin/Brics actually asked for this referendum before providing any help to Greece. Snap referendum like in Crimea
There is the media coverage.
Here is Varoufakis when he could talk openly back in 2012.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwAClUrhrek
He doesn't want bailout money to repay Greeek creditors.
He acknowledges Greece is bankrupt.
He is ready to default.
That was then, this is now.
Sure, he's smart, and would like to do the right thing. But the pressure on him to do otherwise must be enormous.
Propaganda rumours of lies aiming to destabbilize the hit on the Euro and EU securities.
I was going to ask if Tsiprash was BIPOLAR. But that might be considered as being cheecky..
I think I understand now, Tsiprash is just doing what a whorepol does (maybe the bipolar handle fits the FinMin that the Troika luv so muuch) and is telling all sides what they want to hear....
Obviously, this is a smash with the Overlords.
More leader like this are needed, fuck the parasitic banks.
This guys security ought to be tightened.....Dealy Plaza
Chill out guys, it's simple:
It doesn't matter whether the Greek people vote Yes or No because the actual question hasn't been decided yet and won't appear on the ballot paper. When Germany and the Troika have worked out how much they will hand over to Greece and decided when it won't be paid, Tsipras can decide what the referendum question won't be.
By this time the people will have voted and given the correct answer, even though the ballot paper will be blank. This is not important because the correct question can easily be entered against that answer in the voting results.
It's called "how to get the answer you want."
Everybody will be happy and the can can be kicked.
Tsipras knows this is all about bankers who would shoot their mothers to avoid booking the losses. Ha may have them by the short hairs.
The Greek government is a nasty piece of shit.
The <fill in the blank> government is a nasty piece of shit... (there, fixed it for you)
Your choices:
A) United States
Russia
Tsipras is a great guy, the truth is that Greece will slide to anarchy if debt is not restructured and foolish German fetish economics recipes for Greece are not stopped .
I cannot think why any rational person will critisize Greece?
Sure they owe money, but Germany owes even more to Greece , fundamentally some are picking on a small helpless country.
Sure it is corrupt but who made it that way? Siemens and the German government as a means of keeping hold of the govt.
OK , the only reason to be against Greece here is to help break the euro, which is a noble cause , I admit, there is money to be made for me and others ... but at the same time the german's dumb arrogance, fetish economics, assinine strictness to a losing cause are so repugnannt, Germany is historically tied to these most odious traits, it just seems nothing changes
Greece is now a EU fascist state. NO TURK-STREAM.. ONLY AMERICAN LNG.. can you say $500 per cubic thou. meter.. LoL How the funny money world is running.
And the Russians can take it as they know what is up.
I am beginning to think, as we watch Tsipras, that we could be watching a latter day Winston Churchill.
Someone who has the guts to stand up to the maraudering Germans.
The Fourth Reich.
Banks not Tanks.
Inflicting the grossest misery on the people of southern Europe for their own profit and power.
They destroyed Greece in the second world war - massacring tens of thousands.
They have never paid proper reparations to the Greek people.
And have no intention of doing so.
They owe the Greeks billions.
For the third time in a hundred years the Germans are intent on taking over Europe - complete domination.
For a third time they need cutting down.
I love this Kabuki shit....let the BULLSHIT STADIUM RUNNETH OVER MOTHERFUCKERS....
Here..watching tits and ass on the beach, in the tropics....
One must ask himself/herself why this turmoil and chaos now?
Syriza got nothing from fascist troika over these last 5 months. Nothing at all. So why they waited all this time and squandered $7 billion surplus and reserves, money that could have been used for transition and negotiation leverage but instead was used to pay this odious debt.
The same fight, could have been fought in February from much stronger position without this turmoil. Why it wasn’t? Why banks were not nationalized on Monday as it was in England in 2008 for Christ sake? Who’s interest was to weaken Syriza’s support among suffering population?
What Syriza accomplished so far is to undermine European leftist movements while it is not itself true leftist at all. It is a party of those former worshipers of EU with cushy jobs that have been pushed away from the trough, rejected by fascist EU pals in their quest for gluttony and left behind to rot.
It is beggars party having nothing to do with true left like Greek communists that spilled blood for national independence and justice in Greece in 1948.
In this context there is nothing curious about all those inexplicable, strange or just stupid and naïve adolescent moves that deny what actually is going on namely steady progress of fascism in Europe and vicious class war with thousands of dead victims of economic extermination. Just consider Greek GDP dropped 25% over last several years, economic effect liken to ongoing hot war, where bombs are falling from the sky.
So far, they are dropping so called metaphorical “neutron bombs” of mass destruction that kill slowly one by one, quietly disappearing form this world without immediate visible damage and producing tens of thousands economic refugees fleeing Greek war zone, a war crime in itself.
I stopped to listen to Syriza academic tautologies months ago. They think They stick to their guns but in fact they are giving circus away inch-by-inch everyday. This is insult to intelligence to believe that it is going somewhere. It is clear dead end.
The last five months Syriza behaved as controlled opposition steered from Soros headquarters and Broookings institution under quiet acceptance of ECB enthusiast of Greek tragedy.
Five months and Syriza government did not even established itself at all.
The facts.
1. Government has no control over third biggest Army in EU, biggest Army per capita, no military cuts whatsoever, they even buying useless shit from US as we speak.
2. Government has no control over police, no cuts in pay or benefits no prosecution of rampant civil right violations by police against leftist parties and groups.
3. Government has no control over prosecutors and judges, only ONE investigation, related to theft of national treasure, of people connected to oligarchs and foreign banks was open while Syriza members made over thousand requests for investigations.
4. Government has no control over banks. It’s obvious because of ECB but Syriza members requested thousands of reports on banking activities or requests to stop oligarch from repatriating their stolen wealth abroad, no response.
5. Government has stolen retirement money and practically reneg on immediate election promises regarding increase of employment, while paying off so far troika gangsters against their own stated policies and election promises.
6. Government did not nationalized state assets sold to foreign investors for peanuts as declared in their own stated policies that obtained parliament vote of confidence.
7. Government did not use Russia leverage in NATO context and did not warm up frozen relationship with Turkey as extremely strong bargaining chip in current geopolitical situation potentially weakening of NATO southern flank.
I stop here but it’s no all.
The Syriza violated their own manifesto hundreds of times during last 5 month proving that it is a fake political entity negotiating cash deal for their own leaders while collapsing their own country.
It’s pure political theater for “benefit” of raped Greek peasants.
As I said before on ZH no Greek blood on the street no revolution against EU totalitarianism disguised as brotherly love.
There is no dancing around the facts or adopting ostrich politics. If you are not a fake Mr.Tsipras, manup. Prove me wrong.
Since Hudson is advising the Greek government, perhaps to get insights into Greek strategy, one should listen:
The basic idea is to have a vote, whereby the government has a mandate. There was no mandate before.
Also, paying back creditors at 30% reduction is reasonable given the fraud by which the Credit money came into being.
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http://michael-hudson.com/2015/06/resisting-financial-conquest/
The basic tactic in such tensions between creditors and debtors is clear: once debt repayments exceed new loans, stop paying.
So when The Institutions made it clear that no more credit would be forthcoming without Syriza adopting the old Pasok/New Democracy capitulation to Troika demands, Tsipras and Varoufakis decided it was time to call a referendum eight days hence, on Sunday, July 5.
Late Friday night and into the early Saturday morning hours, Greeks ran to the ATM machines to convert their checking and savings deposits into euro notes, expecting that the end game would involve a likely 30% depreciation of the drachma – and that indeed, the ECB would stop lending to support Greek banks (the only role the ECB wanted to play).
Syriza had no love for the banks. They were the vehicles through which the oligarchs controlled the Greek economy, after all. For a month, they had been discussing how to separate the banks into “good bank” and “bad bank,” either nationalizing them (wiping out stockholders) or creating a Public Option alternative.
More:
By going through the sham negotiations with The Institutions, Syriza gave Greeks enough time to protect what savings and cash they had – by converting these bank deposits into euro notes, automobiles and “hard assets” (even boats).
Businesses borrowed from local banks where they could, and moved their money into eurozone banks or even better, into dollar and sterling assets. Their intention is to pay back the banks in depreciated drachma, pocketing a 30% capital gain.
What commentators miss is that Syriza (at least its left) wants to be transformative. It wants to free Greece from the post-military oligarchy that evades taxes and monopolizes the economy. And it wants to transform Europe, away from ECB austerity to create a real central bank. In the process, it demands a clean slate of past bad debts. It wants to reject the IMF’s austerity philosophy and refusal to take responsibility for its bad 2010-12 bailout.
This larger, transformative picture is at the center of Syriza-left plans.
Mr Tsipras belongs to the most despicable kind of politicians. He is playing with his people, indifferent toward their sufferings. He is only playing his own game, hoping to save his ass, after he have become aware that the UE is not going to give something for nothing and that all his electoral promises are empty.
His problem is that he wants to do what he promised in his election platform!
Meh, and I want to make a living fscking Playboy models!!
Can someone explain it to me like i'm a Kardashian?
Tsipras caved but wants a no vote on the referendum to lessen the sting of his capitulation in his terms of surrender?
Or something else?
I knew it was too good to be true that he would stand firm
It's simple...
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-01/europe-wants-to-punish-...
Bravo!! Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras. You are a democratic (government of, for and by the People) statesman of the highest order in Greek civilized tradition; Aristotle would be proud of you.
The fate of Greece is the fate of the USA and all other nations under the octopus of central bankster criminal debt, fraud and chaos.
Criminal activity must be framed as criminal activity and therefore the solution has to be framed in how do we break the criminal stronghold and bring the criminals to Justice for their conspirator criminal activity and repudiating the criminal debt.
We should be examining how to prosecution the central bankster fascist (merger of multinational corporate monopoly with government) criminal cabal and review professors Black, Chossudovsky, Hudson and Gavin Marshall research into the criminal cabal activities.
I am a 71 year old student that has been following the maneuvers of the American bankster fascist most of my life. The EU was designed, financed and implemented by the criminal banksters and their shadow government of the Council on Foreign Relations. The banksters CFR activities are well documented over the last 60 odd years in plotting Treason against the USA and implementing the fascist New World Order. Selling debt as wealth is their weapon.
Do gold bugs really believe that the central criminal banksters are going to lose control of the gold market in the USA? Today, the currency is fiat but the BRICS gold backed currency of tomorrow will set a new gold standard. The bankster criminals stole all the USA gold when we went off the Gold Standard. The criminals loot, pillage, burn bridges and destroy as they move forward so that there is no way back. When the bankster criminals need gold, Emperor Obama via decree, will confiscate the gold in your teeth.
In my opinion, it will take a violent revolution to bring the fascist bankster criminals to Justice, until then, we are all victims.
Why not have a 3rd option on the ballot paper of "maybe"?
This will confuse the shit out of the Europeans and drive them insane.
Time to retain and rejuvinate their humour.
Meh, if the vote tally is anywhere close to 50-50, then there's gonna be a lot of calls for re-counts!
Tsipras, what part of GAME OVER don't you understand?
Here are your choices:
1. Resign effective immediately, handing over power to a national unity government until elections can be called.
2. Have the army seize that power and have a blast using you and your merry men for target practice live on Skai TV.
3. Beg, borrow or steal a gun, blow out the brains of the batshit bolshie bitch who got you into this, then turn the gun on yourself, and save the army the trouble.
Your call. Not the Eurogroup's. Yours.
So this Tsipras guy:
Crazzy feller this Tsipras guy.
He should not be trusted any sharp objects... like scissors or smth like that.
Here's the only way Greece will turn back the tide and rebuild a functioning society:
1. Join the Anti-Bolshevik Federation and side with Russia.
2. Takeover all the media (probably zio-owned) including teevee.
3. Create a 24x7 teevee re-education program to educate the populace on:
a. the nature of the khazars and their historic scams and genocides.
b. the nature of the fake money system foisted upon them by the zios
c. show how the global population has been duped into this nonsense called globalization and how they must return to the art and craft of making their own goods domestically. Inherent in this approach will be the need to outlaw anything to do with WTO.
4. Execute any and all of the bankster class that were involved in the GS-led planned demolition of the country.
5. Deport any and all zio dual-citizens.
6. Create a public shaming program for anyone importing or selling WTO consumer goods.
That should take them the better part of a year and is frankly the only hope they have to freeing themselves from the zio usury cycle and to create a healthy organic society. Greece is a beautiful country and could, along with Iceland, become a model of how to deal with the zio-cancer that is consuming the entire planet.
1. Same with those where is oligarch elite that steals nations money and shares it with each other? Brainwashes people with lie, war and hatred propaganda? Sells out nations land for pennies?
2. And create regime owned propaganda with truth ministry like in Russia where all main stream media is controlled by regime for brainwashing citizens.
3. Place people in re-education camps like nazis and commies did - no critical thinking, no self opinion, no individuality - only regime program. Sounds like putin regime.
4. Sounds like nazis & USSR russians
5. I guess all basic human rights where removed after those executions in previous point
6. Like oil, gas and other recources Greece doesn't have...
Can't understand are you commenting from mad house (what kind of connetion you guys have there? Is it DSL or cable?) or you simply are putins advisor sharing your ideas with broader public?
I don't think that the Greeks can get way with a 'Putin', as this is not sanctions being piled up little by little.. and the Greeks just don't have that ability to have a projected 'boogie man' country status that is needed for NATO and it's industrialist.
I propose that Greece take it's large weapons and put them on the auction block and use the thier army/navy/ airforce for in house domiestic needs in rebuilding the infrastructure (they can booby trap everything while doing so).
Fuck NATO! and be-able to pay the bill.
this referendum will be rigged like the scottish referendum the money junkies havent finished looting this country yet look out for a Cyprus event with bail ins , this is just kicking can down the road the banksters need more time to finish looting, it wont be a DEFAULT because all those derivatives and credit default swaps will kick in and the money junkies will not want that, this is just the start look out for the same coming to a country like yours all goverments have had to adopt G20 resolution for bail ins