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US Police More Concerned About "Anti-Government" Domestic Extremists Than Al-Qaeda, Study Finds
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

U.S. law enforcement agencies rank the threat of violence from anti-government extremists higher than the threat from radicalized Muslims, according to a report released Thursday by the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security (TCTHS).
The report, “Law Enforcement Assessment of the Violent Extremism Threat,” was based on survey research by Charles Kurzman, professor of sociology at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and David Schanzer, director of TCTHS and associate professor of the practice at Duke University’s Sanford School of Public Policy.
The survey — conducted by the center with the Police Executive Research Forum — found that 74 percent of 382 law enforcement agencies rated anti-government extremism as one of the top three terrorist threats in their jurisdiction. By comparison, 39 percent listed extremism connected with Al Qaeda or like-minded terrorist organizations as a Top 3 terrorist threat.
– From Duke’s Sanford School of Public Policy
Since September 11, 2001, the frightened and emotionally pliable American public has gullibly relinquished its civil liberties and free heritage in order to allow the U.S. government to wage unaccountable and unconstitutional war again Al-Qaeda and radical Islamic terrorism across the world.
Many of us have warned for years, that preemptively giving up freedoms to protect freedom could only make sense to a propagandized, ignorant public completely clueless of human history. We warned that any totalitarian apparatus implemented to fight an outside enemy, would ultimately be turned around and used upon the public domestically. We already know this is happening with the NSA’s bulk spying and data collection, and we are starting to see a proliferation of the meme that “domestic extremists are more dangerous than Al-Qaeda,” spreading from the mouths of a corrupt and paranoid political class. I’ve covered this topic on several occasions, for example:
The “War on Terror” Turns Inward – DHS Report Warns of Right Wing Terror Threat
Eric Holder Announces Task Force to Focus on “Domestic Terrorists”
Rep. Steve Cohen Calls Tea Party Republicans “Domestic Enemies” on MSNBC
It’s Official: The FBI Classifies Peaceful American Protestors as “Terrorists”
If all that’s not enough to convince you we’ve got a problem, I bring to you conclusions from the recently released study, “Law Enforcement Assessment of the Violent Extremism Threat.” This study was based on a survey conducted by Charles Kurzman and David Schanzer, who recently penned an op-ed in the New York Times. Here are some excerpts from their article:
In a survey we conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum last year of 382 law enforcement agencies, 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top three terrorist threats in their jurisdiction; 39 percent listed extremism connected with Al Qaeda or like-minded terrorist organizations. And only 3 percent identified the threat from Muslim extremists as severe, compared with 7 percent for anti-government and other forms of extremism.
The self-proclaimed Islamic State’s efforts to radicalize American Muslims, which began just after the survey ended, may have increased threat perceptions somewhat, but not by much, as we found in follow-up interviews over the past year with counterterrorism specialists at 19 law enforcement agencies. These officers, selected from urban and rural areas around the country, said that radicalization from the Middle East was a concern, but not as dangerous as radicalization among right-wing extremists.
Law enforcement agencies around the country are training their officers to recognize signs of anti-government extremism and to exercise caution during routine traffic stops, criminal investigations and other interactions with potential extremists. “The threat is real,” says the handout from one training program sponsored by the Department of Justice. Since 2000, the handout notes, 25 law enforcement officers have been killed by right-wing extremists, who share a “fear that government will confiscate firearms” and a “belief in the approaching collapse of government and the economy.”
Meanwhile, terrorism of all forms has accounted for a tiny proportion of violence in America. There have been more than 215,000 murders in the United States since 9/11. For every person killed by Muslim extremists, there have been 4,300 homicides from other threats.
Perhaps if the police didn’t harbor such negative thoughts about the general public, there wouldn’t be as many citizens killed by police. The recent tally is up to 463 killed so far in 2015, or an average of 2.5 Americans killed by police every day.
Finally, I came across the following excerpt from a recently published National Journal article:
Senate Democrats are calling for Congress to shift its focus from solely jihadist-fueled terrorism and hold hearings on the threats from domestic groups in upcoming weeks. And the Department of Justice has already opened up a domestic-terrorism investigation into the Charleston church shooting.
The real enemy of the corrupt corporate state is none other than, “we the people.”
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We the people... guilty. So when does Homeland Security invade ZH?
My best friend's ex-wife makes $75/hr on the laptop. She has been unemployed for eight months but last month her income with big fat bonus was over $9000 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Read more on this site...
www.jobs-review.com
Does your friends ex-wife have a big hairy 70's bush? I've got a fat bonus for her.
I find the timing of the arrival of this "study" more than a little suspicious.
It blends just a little too well with the AMERICAN WHITE MAN BAD meme.
Frankly, all of the police I know are most concerned about the increasingly violent and uncontrolled black dindu population.
But, dat be rayciss, so you can't publish that study. let alone secure a USGOV grant to pay for the effort.
Well Al Queda is our people, so this kinda makes sense (isn't news).
DemocRATS.
Orwell would be proud.
Republicants voted for TPP, and every other tyrannical bill to come down the pike. Oh, not Obamacare? Look at the last vote to fund it and weep.
So, since I'm not exactly what you'd call "right-wing," does this mean that I'm off their radar?
America does have some extreme racist white people who are dangerous. But I'm still more terrified of the Jews, the blacks, and the Muslims. I'm just glad that I live in an Asian neighborhood.
the police are fine, it is their rulers.
If you floss regularly you're right-wing. You can take that to the bank.
To the FBI, my teeth arre seriously fucked.
It means people are still talking in left and right terms politically , same shit just slighlty different smell.
This is preppin for Jade Helm acceptance. The destruction of conservative america is coming together like clockwork.
No shit.
Listen to any cop. In their conversation, they will use the term " civilian" to describe the citizenry.
That's the problem. They view themselves as a Special Class, of heroes no less, who are above the law. I know a few, they all think this way.
How is it illeagal and unsafe for me to drive 75 mph and or use a cellphone. But a 25 yo cop, with special training and superhuman powers , can drive everywhere at 90 mph, using a cellphone and a Cray Supercomputer mounted to the console? In my low crime area, there are 5 police agencies that prowl the highways, making them safer. It is not unusual to see 4 or 5 individual cops with vehicles pulled over at the same time. Revenue Enhancement.
FTP.
That's because your low crime area is a much better source of revenue-extraction and potential civil-asset theft....errrr....foreiture. Plus your area has law-abiding people who will not resist the tyranny. The rough, high-crime areas.....well, they're just too dangerous for our brave, costume-badged heroes to risk their noble selves. It's the same here in central VA. Cop cruisers all over the damn place......protecting and serving us against those vile traffic-infractioning terrawrists, and totally keeping those extremist late-registration-fee payers from harming da chilrenz.
Basically.....a long winded way of saying: cops are NOT here to protect and serve YOU.
From Reason
http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/02/three-strange-claims-in-mother-joness-re
Signed in just for the up arrow :-)
Making money on a laptop can't be too comfortable for her. Tell your friends ex-wife to use a mattress instead.
Big difference between anti government and anti corrupt, malevolent, predatory ZWO occupied government.
Congress has had a single digit approval rating through 4 administrations.
By that metric 90 something percent of the population are anti government.
fun, what part of "we are from the government and we are here to Help" do you not understand?
for those that have seen "They Live" a few rules when dealing with .gov...are the same for poisonous snakes..
Rule 1. avoid .gov
2. never challenge .gov
3. never assume .gov is there for good.
4. treat .gov like it is leathal.
5. follow rule #1.
6. remain awake and aware, .gov hides in dark places and hides it's activities- watch your step.
7. .gov uses camoflage, many organizations and businesses are in fact .gov (google, MSM)
Attacking the symptom and not the disease.
The fact that the "... makes $75/hr on the laptop. ..." adds persist is a tell on the actual level/degree of control the [Tylers] forum operators have. We are forewarned.
Bring back Capcha. I could use the math practice.
Your best friend's ex-wife gave me THE CRABS! I want my money back, you dirty BASTARD!!!
Yeah but your so called best friend hasn't been telling you how much your wife has been paying the two of us to service her on weekends. Sorry I had to be the one to tell you.
Surprised the commies haven't done it already!
First they have to infil agents into the midst of targeted groups. Then the agents need to find a few followers and begin agitating. Once enough organization work has been done a plot can be hatched and either brought to fruition (false flag) or interdicted (see, .gov spying keeps you safe chitlins).
By the sounds of things, expect a false flag followed by several interdictions and then sweeping laws and finally a kristalnacht.
Dude, we got whacked by two more YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO COMMENT warnings tonight. But after serving our alloted time outs, ABCTyler let us back in to play.
Seriously: dude, r u serious?? Just want to know because I have seen some posts of mine here go off into the netherworld, and I am highly suspicious...time to take the temperature, because *this* frog does not give consent to be boiled.
Got another one responding to you! No, nothing disappears just the creepy warning. We try again and are "allowed" to post.
phoneystars posts evaporated a few times...not the only one
Well, this is seriously disturbing. I have seen my posts on the California drought threads that the Tylers have put up here completely 'evaporate', which woke me up to the omnipresence of our 'leaders' since the evidence I have turned up through testing at my lab absolutely corroborates that geoengineering is not only going on, but is totally complicit in much of the weird weather phenomena we see happening around the world at this moment.
I have also had a hard drive fail and a mobile phone go dead since trying to send my lab's data to Dane Wigington at Geoengineeringwatch.com.
Things are heating up, folks...don't pay attention to the shells moving around and hiding the peanut in front of you, because when they ask you to choose 1,2, or 3 there will be NO peanut but merely the Wookie's meat flaps! ***shudder***
But the "my cousin makes $75 an hour on her laptop" spammers get a free pass. I see 'em every day.
Miffed, bitches.
I also had a post that never showed up. It was a reply to someone who said "so what should we do about all this" and I was saying what we should do.
it gets worse. my windows pc was logged on to zh with somebody's else account (can't remember the name anymore). i noticed it only after checking my older comments.
how's that even possible? am i being hacked or is the zh system fucked up?
I get those when I try to edit something that already has an upvote/downvote or follow-on comment.
they know why. r u surprised? then u r an idiot.
"We the people... guilty. So when does Homeland Security invade ZH?"
They're already here, friend. There have been more than enough leaks to support that HBGary Federal, GCHQ, etc have been sockpuppeting the hell out of forums like this one. So when you read a racist comment, for example, ask youself is it really an anti-semite or is it someone trying the make the place look bad, or trying to identify others that agree? And when it's an anti-government rant that suggests killing a particular politician... is it someone who's pissed off or someone building a case for a search warrant?
The rabbit hole is pretty fucking deep these days.
And they DO come knock on your door!
"...is it someone who's pissed off or someone building a case for a search warrant?"
Ha! It's more likely someone building a case for a budget increase!
When the people who troll these comment forums need funding, they have to show cause... ya know, bad stuff that needs investigating.
If there aren't enough real world bad guys posting extremist rants and threats, then someone has to step in and pretend... I think it's a simple matter of money.
Dear Homeland "Security", CIA, FBI, NSA, GCHQ...
Fuck you!
I always say Hello to NSA and the CIA when I post on Russian news blogs.
It amuses the locals.
Some of that is also SPLC trolls and the like keeping book on how stupid posts are permitted or not challenged. I think telling such people (aka "folks") to knock it off suffices. That said, one of the entertaining things about ZH is the free for all in the comments.
The bogga bogga man.
ZH is part of and paid by the borg.
Most of the commenters here are lowly simpletons so tptb is not worried to bother with you. :)
Ok, I'll keep on commenting then.
DHS raided ZH long ago. There is a difference between being pro righteous government and anti unrighteous government. I wonder if the existing government is wise enough to figure out the difference.
Likewise, there is a difference between supporting the principles of a government vs. supporting the principles of the country.
ZH moved its servers to Diego Garcia at the request of the beanie wearing illuminati years ago after Tyler was outed as a member of the bilderberg group
Of course. LE unnerstands completely that left to our own devices, We the People would amputate their budgets
and tell them to go to hell
Of course... Al-CIAda is controlled.
I'm probably on the 'list', but the sad thing is I'm not dangerous. Only after they imprison me without trial or charge would I be willing to attack, and by then of course it is far too late.
Fooling around aside, stuff like this seriously pisses me off. What the fuck did I ever do to them to deserve such scorn and slander? How dare they consider me a threat when they have millions of men under arms at their disposal?
The short answer Tyranny
Those government corksoakers can't find anything in the Koe-ran or 1,400 years of Muslim slaughter and slave trading that's violent, hateful, or disgusting. Somehow they miss all the parts where they say, "Kill every infidel after we subvert and overrun the US." Harvard contractors just can't find that stuff. In fact, Muslims are our bosom buddies and we should swap spit with them.
But they tune in on an internet exchange for an hour, or a wise and perceptive informer listens to some talk over some brewskis at a picnic and reports back and it's like child's play to trace the thinking back to Himmler or fucking Robespierre and detect a plot to build machine guns in the basement and take over Kansas.
We're ruled by Bozo the Clown and his assistants the Larry, Moe and Lecurly. It would be funny if these guys didn't have body armor and rectal probes.
These paper-pushing weenies couldn't find a real threat if it was hanging off their fly.
But they have a good lock on 66 year old Joe Hover-round Tea Party Patriot who blogs about freedom and Constitutional Rights.
They can't wait for the go ahead to change his name to Boxcar Willie.
'Only after they imprison me without trial or charge would I be willing to attack, and by then of course it is far too late.'
Now that you went and said that, you have been moved up the list.
Well, in that case, to whatever alphabet soup agency is reading this, I know how to use my rifles and I also know what a Bivens Action is. I will do what I need to do to survive, then I will become very vindictive. Have one of your on staff attorneys explain just what a Bivens Action is to you. The rest is self explanatory.
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/
No truce with the Left, all of you READ AND UNDERSTAND the tyranny, then prepare to survive the reign of terror.
It;s been a long road down all around. It takes 3 generations to redefine a culture.
That is it.
Think 150 years of indoctrination.
Think seacurd socities and their words of power. Think of the Grateful dead as a CIA, LSD dealing front.
All baby-boomers should really know this, so that the genesis of law-less-ness is clear.
They (them, the eternal others) made the flower power generation bloom and then WILT HARD.
Now they're rich, seemingly secure and very afraid....
So today's police state is a direct result of yesterday's CIA/FBI created free, flower power world.
https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2015/07/01/where-to-ok-actually-how-did...
Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & The Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/WeirdScenesInsideTheCanyon.html
Weird scenes? You don't know the half of it.
Otterstrom was my cousin.
"Melton and Jim Otterstrom remained lifelong friends, according to Jim Otterstrom. They are those rare people who lived their "hippie ideal" (beautifully idealistic and participatory) beliefs throughout their lives. I really admire that. Jim Otterstrom wrote in his blog that he and Melton both attended the same school in Reseda albeit several years apart, became friends, and through the years continued to get together a couple of times a year"
http://www.mansonblog.com/2014_07_01_archive.html
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. - James Madison
Of course they are. Domestic people have a chance of effecting change in the corrupt system that foreigners could never accomplish.
99.99% of people around the world would benefit from the dismantling of the US war machine. Only perhaps 95% of people see that, and the other 5% determine the outcome of American politics.
"Domestic people have a chance of effecting change in the corrupt system that foreigners could never accomplish."
The Hawaiians must be foreigners then /s
Why would they have anything to fear? We're all still following the rules, aren't we?
An Old Southern Law,
He Needed Killin
An old NY law kiss my ass! And I don't mean you.
I'm running for President at GoFundMe. Joseph Maloy
Stop the madness in Washington.
working from home on your laptop making 7k a month sounds much better, refer to link above.
I'm running for the hills! Don't look back
Supposing you are both a good and intelligent guy who then happens to get elected, they will induce system failure and pin it on you. At this stage it might be wise to just get the hell out of the way and let them take the blame because this ship is going to sink one way or the other.
The only reason to be glad Obama got two terms. Crystal clear what policies he devised and what he cost us.
But I guess even that's not enough. Hillary even now makes them moist.
Are you serious? Why bother with GoFuckMe? Just call Mittens and tell him you're willing to be a stand-in for him. Millions will flow your way.
Well this does make sense. There is no threat to US cops from Al Qaeda. Strictly speaking, in the way most people think of Al Qaeda, there's no such thing at all. But US cops, being very much a part of the US government, are indeed at risk from Americans. Heck, Americans are trying to legalize or at least decriminalize marijuana. That right there would severely defund the police in several ways. That's a threat. All the people jabbering about taking on The Man are probably no threat, but if the general vibe of society gets more anti-social, there will be fewer and fewer apathetic and compliant people to help the cops by their passivity, and more and more apathetic and resistant people to get in the cops' way.
That story is so sad. I just want to cry. It is a lonely road for the SS troopers.
Honestly it would seem as though violent and racist cops who are prone to illegal activities and criminal violence tend to cluster in areas populated by people who are least able and/or willing to fight back - disarmed and dependant/despondent minorities in urban environments.
It would seem that they have gotten tired of that game and want to take their game to the next level. This is where local cops can make a difference by simply doing their jobs properly in the context of the oath they have sworn. The trend line is not encouraging.
I know where the armed, exuberant, urban minorities are. Where are those disarmed ones?
I think that you got part of it, that the people here are probably more likely to target cops than AQ or ISIS. OTOH, there is another dimension that this is kind of a self fufilling prophecy. I don't think that most cops are bad people, but I do think that most are terrible cops who are either delusional or are incapable of evaluating just how their actions have unintended consequences. The thin blue line, for example, will be a justification to punish all cops as a group if things get bad enough, regardless of if an individual cop stepped up to stop abuse, simply turned the other way, or was the abuser. If they bounce enough heads off of the pavement because they are paranoid of a terrorist under every rock, and they might just create a domestic terrorist or two who has a hard on for cops.
Here is one thing that I think that people on ZH should chew on for a bit: If things get dicey, but not quite SHTF, cops have friends and relatives in your communities. If you target the cops, you will make some non-police enemies. You don't target somebody's son or father or husband, and expect them to have the attitude of "Oh, my son was an asshole, you're cool." Always keep the unintended consequences of your actions in mind.
Who the heck is targeting cops?
There's lots of good cops at the higher level who are getting very concerned about the quality of cops that are moving up in the ranks who are all on board with this military shitstorm creeping into even the rural communities.
We're reaping the fruit of Desert Storm that we sowed.
Black Teacher in Ohio Slaps Disabled White Student Saying She Doesn’t Have to ‘Serve White People Like You’
http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/black-teacher-in-ohio-slaps-disabled-...
Wow. Just wow.
I'm sure Loretta Lynch-Whitey will be eager to prosecute this as a federal hate crime. Right? No? Oh, yeah.
Wow? Seriously? Nowadays, it elicits little more than a yawn.
Tyranny is dependent upon fear. Not fear of the tyrants but fear of its supposed enemies.
The ADL has been training law enforcement, including the FBI for DECADES, always pushing the "WHITES ARE THE EVIL THREAT" meme.
The threat, my fellow ZHers, is to the White people, the founders of America. The street violence is just a part but it goes unpunished. Yet a teenager drove by a rally for the "JENNA SIX" the 6 thugs who put a White student into the hospital, btw rock star David Bowie contributed generously to the blacks legal defense. And a Jewish Ivy league professor feted one of the attackers at his New England home. Rewards you see for good work. Well the teen drove his pickup truck by the rally for the 6 thugs and had a Rebel Flag and a noose. Drove by, didn't say a word. A Chinese US District Attorney and a Latino ADA nailed him on HATE CRIME charges. He is still serving a ten year sentence in Federal prison. Just a single example.
The ADL was the MAIN FORCE behind the Federal THOUGHT CRIME law passed in 2009, which Eric Holder in testimony before Congress said did not protect Whites. It was called the Matthew SHepard Act.
link
"Matthew Shepard case, where we now find out that Shepard was a meth addict who was murdered as part of a drug heist; one of his murderers had a homosexual and drug-dealing relationship with Shepard. But that has made no difference to the narrative put out by the Matthew Shepard Foundation or the mainstream media, and the author of book with these revelations now finds himself besieged by hostility despite being gay, Latino, and politically liberal. "
Just watch out for your children on the mean streets of the USSA where the race war is heating up. It is an ODD war, with the one side, the White side, not fighting.
This video was shot on Friday June 19, 2015 outside of Herfurth Elementary School in Rowlett, Texas. A black male is taking the video: a vicious attack on a White 14-year-old female holding her three-year-old niece and a white female friend are sitting on a park bench. This was described as a "schoolyard brawl." SERIOUSLY a "schoolyard brawl" !!!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=923_1435624056
This is from March 2015
Young Girl and Little Brother attacked
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b10_1426395873
The attackers "APPEARED" to be black!!
Indianapolis Playground Beating: Girl and Her Little Brother Brutally Attacked in Park March 15, 2015
The Indianapolis playground beating may have been racially motivated. The victim and her brother were white and the attackers appeared to be black. As the victim was asking why she was being attacked, one of the boys in the group appeared to answer, “You white, bitch.”
Young Girl and Little Brother attacked
Video posted on (and removed from) facebook of brutal attack on a female and her little brother
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b10_1426395873
Thank you.
Figures!
http://sanford.duke.edu/media/david-schanzer-israel-cant-afford-lose-jew...
US police are concerned about anti-government domestic extremists because Americans are pissed off at the ZOG. Police are told what to think. When was the last time you saw a cop actually using his own sense of judgement separate of what they're instructed?
Hint to the police......WHY DON'T YOU ARREST THE REAL TERRORISTS AND EXTREMISTS? Like the criminals that are actually IN the government and their agents. Oh wait, because you'd BE one of their agents since you're not upholding your oath to the Constitution.
FUCKERS!
I believe this is what's known as "talking your book"
US Police forces should be scared of the present and future "Anti-Gov't" types, because a hell of a lot of people are getting more & more pissed at this corrupt system we have.
Their watching their backs.
Never waste a good crisis...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/breaking-car-bombs-discovered-in...
Car Bombs Discovered in Juarez South of US BorderMexican officials in April claimed they located an ISIS camp just eight miles south of the U.S. border.
Isn't ANFO pretty much another word for ammonium nitrate, "not a substance like ammonium nitrate"?
Doublechecked, it is.
ANFO (or AN/FO, for ammonium nitrate/fuel oil) is a widely used bulk industrial explosive mixture. It consists of 94% porous prilled ammonium nitrate (NH4NO3) (AN) that acts as the oxidizing agent and absorbent for the fuel and 6% number 2 fuel oil (FO).
Technically, it's dried bullshit and diesel. You see ammonium nitrate under the sludge when you're clearing the lot.
Synonymous with 'not all that powerful'. At least that is according to an army report after the OKC bombing.
ANFO isn't powerful like a high explosive, say C4. What it is good at is being a "working load". One is good at open destruction, say blowing up an open area. C4 would be good for that, but not for moving a mountainside. ANFO is good for things like mining, or moving large heavy objects where the explosive charge is contained within something.
From wiki:
ANFO under most conditions is blasting cap-insensitive, so it is classified as a blasting agent[6] and not a high explosive;[7] it decomposes through detonation rather than deflagration with a moderate velocity of about 3,200 m/s in 5-in diameter, unconfined, at ambient temperature. It is a tertiary explosive consisting of distinct fuel and oxidizer phases, and requires confinement for efficient detonation and brisance.
Because it is cap-insensitive, it generally requires a primer,[8] also known as a booster (e.g., one or two sticks of dynamite is historically used, or in more recent times Tovex or cast boosters of pentolite (TNT)/PETN or similar compositions) to ensure continuation of the detonation wave-train.
Save us Rick Abbot and Greg Perry! We need more Texas Police on the border! More military checkpoints on 59 South! The turrorists are coming!
Notice from Websters' Dictionary: Liberty/Freedom will henceforth be disignated as 'Police/Military State'.
Kurzman and Schanzer? I wonder where they go to church
I hope this is a lie.
There was a time when government fear of the people was considered American.
That ended when Washington conscripted "the militia" to end the so-called Whiskey Rebellion. Gotta crush those tax evaders and let everyone know who runs this place.
To police a "domestic terrorist" is anyone who may deliver blowback for the ever growing tide of murders at their hands - which, according to the latest data I've seen, are up 80% Y/Y in 2015
Dangerous times with USA lunatics. Watch this RT show
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2w8t3q
I watched that episode of CrossTalk yesterdy on RT.com.
It struck me to be reminded that when the USSR collapsed, US leaders assured Russia that NATO would not be expanded eastwards beyond East Germany. And at that time, the US was revelling in the idea of having a new Russian partner, a new friend. There was no crowing and no gloating by US leaders at the time.
How things change.
Obama's having a hernia trying to paint the Russians as the No. 1 threat to world peace. It's kind of interesting to watch. The kiddies playing at diplomacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strobe_Talbott
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Swanson
As an activist, Swanson co-founded the website After Downing Street (now War Is A Crime .org), based around the U.S. congressional concern of the Downing Street memo. Additionally, Swanson embarked on a campaign to impeach President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney[2] through the now defunct website ConvictBushCheney.Org[3] as well as contributing to the introduction of Dennis Kucinich’s The 35 Articles of Impeachment and the Case for Prosecuting George W. Bush.[4][5] Swanson has also aided in the organization of campaigns such as Velvet Revolution's opposition of the United States Chamber of Commerce and Tom J. Donohue,[6] and October2011.Org's Occupy Washington movement.[7][8]
As an author, David Swanson has written several books; Daybreak: Undoing the Imperial Presidency and Forming a More Perfect Union[9] (2009), War Is a Lie (2010), When the World Outlawed War (2011) and War No More: The Case for Abolition (2013).
Swanson currently blogs through various political sites, including his own co-founded site, WarIsACrime.Org[3] and Democrats.com,[1] where he serves as the Washington Director.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_Protocol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_II
Signatories
The document was signed by:[23]
- Swiss diplomat and OSCE representative Heidi Tagliavini
- Former president of Ukraine and Ukrainian representative Leonid Kuchma
- Russian Ambassador to Ukraine and Russian representative Mikhail Zurabov
- DPR and LPR leaders Alexander Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky
But if Ukraine is bankrupt, has not military forces or equipment, the economy has collapsed... they who is supporting Ukraine and their Military?? Should they not also be Signaturees on Minsk II or III??
Ah, various agencies are afraid of the people and the people are afriad of the various government agencies, the cycle is complete.
Propanda has reached maxium output.
Well no shit. A foreign NWO that has taken over the government of a country finds that the citizens of that country are more of a threat than the terrorist groups the NWO sponsors. Duh. Give me a F'n break.
"We warned that any totalitarian apparatus implemented to fight an outside enemy, would ultimately be turned around and used upon the public domestically. We already know this is happening with the NSA’s bulk spying and data collection..."
Arguably, this whole anti-terror apparatus that's been created in the US, UK and elsewhere since 9/11 was only ever about turning these countries into totalitarian police states. Initially aiming it at external threats like al Qaeda was just an interim step in the ultimate objective.
Nobody would have believed it in Sep/2001, today it should be obvious to anyone not in blind denial. The NSA, Dept of Fatherland Security, militarisation of the police and other alphabet agencies of The State together with countless other laws/regulations on Patriot Act, FATCA and Freedom Act etc are all irrefutable evidence of gathering totalitarianism where The State intends to control and monitor every citizen to enforce its policies. Dissent will not be allowed.
The West has entered a new Dark Ages and it will take some very serious revolutions to bring it to an end and restore sanity. A lot of blood will get spilled before government is held to account.
no need to "spill blood"
Ignore the effers. That scares them more than anything else. Not engaging with them . Shun them.
Engaging them legitimizes their basis in violence and massages their egos as a force to be reckoned with.
Its why they trample the mid-east and trumpet their "successes".
Its why China and Russia are the "bad guys" -they won't come out and play their game of cowboys and indians.
If China & Russia ignore them, that's one thing and there isn;t much the US can do about it except start a war.
When American citizens are being assaulted, shot and murdered by out-of-control militarised police, having their private comms harvested by the NSA and being intimidated by airport TSA, that's a whole lot different and not too easy to ignore.
And it can only get worse unless people rise up.
We'll all be on the list as potential partisans when the "Allies" band together to take the piss out of the US Evil Empire.
I just wish we had some high speed rails to blow up.
How much fun would that be?
Well, you have to be halfway literate to worry about Al-Queda (erg, I had to just double check the spelling). You have to know something about other cultures. Maybe learn a foreign language!!! Be able to distinguishe Hutu from Tutsi (oh, that's the other pair): Shia from Sunni! Our domestic law enforcement doesn't want to have to learn that sort of thing; too much work; they'd rather stay focused on the mentally easy stuff. They are accustomed to pesky regular Americans like those poor schmuck bikers (funny how there has been no media coverage of those nine dead bikers); that's nice 'n easy. They figure the CIA/FBI can do the mentally tough stuff. The problem of course is that the actual hideous crimes are committed by e.g. the Russian mafia and others who speak funny languages; very inconvenient. But they can always just ignore those crimes, unless there is an inconveniently in your face incident like in Boston.
Actually, most of the hideous crimes like:
* purposefully giving South American people lethal siphilis
* spraying black people with lethal radioactive powder
* the false pretense for the Vietnam war
* et al.
were all cooked up in some smoky dark room in DC.
Don't forget the putsch in Kiev along with the murders in Odessa and Dombass.
U.S. citizens rank the threat of violence from law enforcement higher than the threat from radicalized Muslims.
It's an interesting situation they're in. If they try to take the anti-government people off the board they seriously are risking a civil war AND they already have lost the moral high ground. If they don't try to take the pieces off the board, they don't get to play with their toys and the anti-government sentiment grows.
The government regime folks are really in a losing position in my estimations.
As Seneca wrote in De Clementia "Repeated punishment, while it crushes the hatred of a few, stirs the hatred of all . . . just as trees that have been trimmed throw out again countless branches".
If they confirm the fears of the anti-government folks, it's probably going to get really ugly and nasty real quick. i.e. nearly instantly.
If I were them, which would require a complete lack of morality, I'd take my stolen gold and move out of the country. "Git while the gittin's good" as they say. They neither have the troop strength, financial soundness, intelligence in military leadership, unit cohesion, or troop morale for a domestic fight, nor the moral high-ground. They would lose and lose in the eyes of international opinion. They themselves (those really in control) would also risk being tried in the Hague or far worse, for war crimes, then the unpleasantness that would follow after that. The low risk, rational decision would be to leave, and stand-down.
That's my professional, objective analysis. Hopefully they don't try to do something stupid. Because if they do, they're sure to get innocents in the crossfire, and all hell could break loose and this could spiral out of control. The result would likely be less-so Stalin purge, and far more French revolution and they'd be the Louis.
Whatever side you're on, it would suck. Let's not allow that to happen please. We've had enough suffering and death in the last century. Just fucking stop. Enough already. Let sleeping dogs lie.
Up arrow for the Cryptonomikon avatar name.
I think that historically the really ugly stuff happens when disgruntled citizens become miserable enough to solicit the help of the external enemy: to invite them in, in order to get their assistance (since they don't have enough fellow citizens on their side). The disgruntled citizens usually end up regretting it, but the impulse to get some sort of external help is just too strong for them to resist; if you stomp on people enough they will act irrationally.
The common approach by totalitarian governments at their initial stage of emergence is to take only the minimal action necessary against dissenters to maintain authority and control, aka the "softly-softly" or "step-by-step" approach. If they exercise too much hard-ball too early, it risks an uprising which could bring the whole edifice down if badly handled. Very risky for the project's success.
This is what we've seen in the US and UK since 9/11. 9/11 itself provided the excuse to kick-start the process of imposing totalitarian government. Every step since is carefully calibrated to avoid scaring the horses.
In the US, the front man for this is currently Obola himself. But it could just as easily be H Clinton or J Bush. Obola's endless anti-gun rhetoric and the growing number of divide & rule incidents (false flags?) are simply there to provide public support for ever more police state control.
Hitler would never have been able to introduce his "Enabling Act" without the Reichstag fire.
Well at least we have some lists of those that calim to be "Conservative", but in fact have Conflict of Interest and Financial Conflict of Interest.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-24/obamatrade-passes-corporations-... (Tally of Vote for Fast Track)
Hell even State & Local Governments have lost Democracy and Independence since they now need & depend on Federal Funding for School Teachers & School Budgets.
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- We also have Lists of Lobby Money, PAC Money, Foundation Money, Corporate Donations, Foreign Agents
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- Traditionally, Slave Labor, Child Labor, Apprenticeships, Impressment, Bonded Slaves, Women & Kids locked up in Factories, Abusive Labor Practices, Slave Markets, Thralls, Sweat Factories, Free Trade have been used by the FEW to grow wealthy, Dominate, Subvert Sovereignty, and force people to Submit to Rule
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Sedition, Treason, Anti-Trust, Racketeering: These are punishable Crimes. To say you are Conservative, then sell out to the Money Trust is a crime. To Support Accounting Control Fraud and Not Take on the Sacred Duty of Reforming the US Corporate System is deliberate Treason & Violation of Sacred Oath to Defend the US Constitution.
To take up War on another Country and it's Sovereign Civilians is only one step from taking that abuse out on our own citizens since it refuses to acknowledge human rights to sovereignty as documented in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. Sovereignty for all is indicated, but it doesn't justify or assign power to drain the US Treasury or US income Tax Revenues in foreign Wars or to maintain some hubris for Superpower Status.
It must be a Law Enforcement poll. 74 % plus 39% =113%
Top three threats. Your arithmetic isn't applicable.
The main goal is to take guns out of the hands of whites, leaving them defenseless from the hoards of Morlocks to rape, murder, and consume.
Divide and conquer, bitches!
The Intercept yesterday publihed an article how the NSA is spying on the rest of the world and I assume also on the American public:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/01/nsas-google-worlds-private...
This has to be a joke. Middle class people aren't going to do a damn thing. Too much to lose. So what other bright idea does the government have?
The situation is dynamic. As middle class citizens continue to lose more of everything, they begin to be "cornered" so to speak. It is written in history what happens next.
Wow! This IS shocking news!
You see, all this time I thought that former DHS Head, Zio-Bolshevik Scum-bag Chertoff had only hired ex- E. German STASI (Secrect Police) Director Markus Wolfe to be his bridge-partner.
WTF. Is that true what you're saying? That sounds like a post cold war version of operation Paperclip.
there also was a high ranking kgb agent hired. the speciality of these two gents was identification(the federal id) and people surveilance(see something, say something turn your neighbor snitches)
Shocking. They are are tyrannical to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Wolf
My guess is that a poll of people would overwhelmingly find the US government to be a greater danger to its citizens than any terrorist group or any nation state.
That is seemingly how the government wants it. It is a shame that those in government pushing this agenda (most likely they are behind the government pushing on both sides) could not find real, productive and fulfilling work and instead had to become terrorists.
Back in the 60's,we called them "pigs",and spit on them,until they wapped you in the abdomen with their baton,and you went down like a left hook from "Smokey" Joe Frazier..But you always had respect for the man behind the badge,because you knew it was the system you were fighting,not the man who was trying to fight for the system..
DOMESTIC enemies of the Constitution ... AKA the current government and its departments, including the police.
So, maybe they know they have a problem because people have had enough with these politicians (who only rule for themselves)?
it is nice to know the public unrest has unnerved the average cop. being a cop is part of the .gov gravy train of high pay for little work and a millionaires retirement. fear of actually having a dangerous job has discouraged future useless .gov welfare workers from applying for the job. something has been accomplished by the likes of guys like dorner, a real american hero.
Don't come between cops and their:
a) donuts
b) steroids
c) pensions
d) all of the above
e) overtime pay
Two of the most PC-Liberal Universities in the US.
No wonder.
In other words, the police, who are murdering innocent people daily, say that the American people are a bigger threat than Al Quida. The reason is obvious: they control Al Quaida/ISIS/ISIL, but they don't control the public.
Who exactly is this Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security (TCTHS)? My guess is that it is funded by a grant from DHS and is closely allied with SPLC. Charles Kurzman, professor of sociology at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and David Schanzer,
director of TCTHS and associate professor of the practice at Duke University’s Sanford School of Public Policy. Sounds eastern European to me. Khazarian maybe?
Remember the Alamo
Remember Jon Corzine
Remember Edward Snowden
Remember Lois Lerner
And the list will go on...
' . . . ante-government EXTREMISTS . . . ' says it ALL.
They carry dangerous propagana such as bumper stickers that say, "I am conservative and I VOTE!".......snicker.
(because that will surely put fear in the hearts of our leaders)
all you will ever need to know about .gov..watch "They Live" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Live
Bullshit!
Cops are concerned about the illegals crossing the border!
Stick your commie propaganda up your ass!
Fuck Jade.
Looks like preppen for Jade Helm - likely explains the timing of this survey.
I don't recall seeing any cop shooting statistics supporting the threat from domestic terrorists.
We need to stand down government at all levels and then form local contracts from paying individuals. Guns, shame, internet and private contracts will be the new government. No more government coercion or authority. As Ayn Rand said "All taxes should be voluntary" as in private contracts.
Unfortunately it's going to take a collapse of the dollar to bring down this tyrannical cluster called government.
Then after the "entitled" government dependent sickos die off, will we have an opportunity to start over.
The three percenters are starting to make it onto the radar. After Bundy ranch, they know that they will not back down on gun control
US is slowly being sqeezed out of ME and EU. The gov't is worried about millions of military returning home to find the country completely compromized by big GOV. Gov't against its own people as always the way empires extinguish. Secret laws, secret courts, military equipment to " officers of the peace " , ya Jade Helm and all that " if you ain't with us your against us " bs. Watch your back.