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Church Elder Defrauds Investors With "Holy Spirit" Day Trading System

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Submitted by Daniel Drew via Dark-Bid.com,

Holy Spirit

While it remains unclear if the Holy Spirit was behind these trades, one thing is for sure: When Charles Erickson's investors opened their recent statements, they said, "Holy Shit!"

As reported by Ponzi Tracker, Charles Erickson of Uxbridge, Massachusetts was looking for a way to supplement his retirement income. Despite having no day trading experience, Erickson jumped head first into the E-Mini Russell 2000 futures contract. In testimony provided to the Massachusetts Securities Division, he said,

It's going to sound a little strange to you, but ... I believe the Holy Spirit showed me this system.

Apparently, the machinations of the Holy Spirit are proprietary. When asked for further disclosure, he said, "I don't want to give my system away." However, he certainly had no reservations about letting his investors give their money away. He promised them monthly returns of 4%. It seems like a small number, but annually, that's about 50%. The 25 "investors" were convinced, and they gave him $3.5 million.

The plan started unraveling in 2013 when Erickson sustained significant trading losses. He eventually halted payments in September 2014, and in December, he told investors he had "zero capital and almost zero assets." Erickson later disclosed that the "system" did not generate returns every month and that he would use reserves to pay other investors during those situations, which is the definition of a Ponzi scheme.

Optimistic investors should consider this as a bump in the road. Eventually, we will see a "Holy Spirit ETF" that will work out the kinks in Erickson's system, and we'll all be on the road to riches.

 

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Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:01 | 6264130 Fun Facts
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trust in god but row away from the rocks

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:10 | 6264153 knukles
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Halleluiah!  Putchu hai-ands own the Bal-loooomberg and ah paray-ah!

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:13 | 6264166 negative rates
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Please, somebody shock me awake from this nightmare.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:41 | 6264246 WOAR
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BOOGITY BOOGITY BOO!

Did it work? Wait, I think I see the Holy Ghost as well...

Better call the Ghostbusters...

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:04 | 6264312 Automatic Choke
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they didn't give an address?  how do i know where to send my money?

 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:17 | 6264531 acetinker
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I just love your dog, but I'm shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YA' that a religious leader might tell their followers to fuck off when the deal goes sideways.  If I need a /sarc tag, we're more fucked than we know.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:12 | 6264715 Macchendra
Fri, 07/03/2015 - 00:25 | 6265078 messymerry
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I'm feeling a really (REALLY) big spiritual movement coming on.  I'm going to need a book the size of "War and Peace" for this one...

;-D

Fri, 07/03/2015 - 21:37 | 6267802 acetinker
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Write it. I dare you!

Fri, 07/03/2015 - 21:08 | 6267734 acetinker
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I think we is what we is.  Do I think Jesus was the son of God?  Yeah.

Do I think that each of us share that same status?  Yeah, I do.

All I'm saying is quit waiting for God to solve (save?) you.

God gave you a brain.

Use it!

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:29 | 6264378 Fukushima Fricassee
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James 5:3-4 is a testimony against the bankers who have stolen gold and silver from the people through fraudulently issuing more and more paper contracts that they never intended to honor in the first place.

But James 5 is also a testimony against the banking practice of leasing gold and silver.   For when they do that, their gold and silver literally "rust away", as they attempt to continue to list as assets in their books the gold and silver that is gone!  Truly, gold does not rust, it is only the insane practice of leasing gold that helps to explain how gold could be cankered and rust away.  Furthermore, the verse says that the rust of the gold will be a "witness against you", and today, we see the increasing awareness among people of the fraudulent banking practice of metals leasing, which, increasingly, is certainly a witness against the banks.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:31 | 6264767 azusgm
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...plus debasement of the metal coinage was an issue about that time. Adulterated silver may well have rusted.

Fri, 07/03/2015 - 00:36 | 6265094 exonomic halfbreed
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Please read the book "The mortal sin that was and is not now" subtitled Usury in Christendom.  Certain northern italian families saw that the jews were becoming enormously wealthy from loaning to the royals and decided to push for a convening of the council of cardinals to address this issue.  They decided that usury needed to be redefined as not charging of interest, but the charging of exorbitant interest.   Ever since, the Vatican elite have been quietly aligned with the select families of rabbinical aristocracy.  On a side note,  how is it that the Vatican went from the wealthiest institution in the world to an impoverished entity in less than three generations?   Transfer of assets to the vatican elite (Knights etc.) should be examined by the victims of their past crimes.    =

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:09 | 6264506 AL_SWEARENGEN
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The Holy Spirit is evident within this man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO_yclz9n4Y#t=0m0s  Give him 5 minutes.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:04 | 6264135 i_call_you_my_base
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He should have just said it vaporized. Dumbfuck.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:59 | 6264468 Big Corked Boots
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If he was in Joisey, it could have been Corzined!

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:05 | 6264138 kaiserhoff
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He who invests in magic beans,

  only gets the farts.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:28 | 6264377 nmewn
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"It's going to sound a little strange to you, but ... I believe the Holy Spirit showed me this system."

Because the Holy Spirit endorses gambling?...lol.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:07 | 6264143 Infinite QE
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I heard that was the name of the first Goldman Sachs pawn shop loan business.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:07 | 6264144 Seek_Truth
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"And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." - Luke 12:10

'Nuff said.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:10 | 6264156 The Delicate Genius
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Hi there.

You are part of the problem. You and every other credulous cretin who thinks the bible has magic powers or was written by a supreme be-ing.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:16 | 6264176 negative rates
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It's a gateway platform to the book of life, of which you could be as much the problem as he is to you right now.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:17 | 6264180 Seek_Truth
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We'll find out who has the problem soon enough.

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart" - Hebrews 4:12

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:44 | 6264255 Coletrane
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i love how when ONE church goer does something stupid, his actions are magically indicative of ALL church goers .

 

 

but if you apply this rationale to ANYONE else , for some reason, it's not legitimate.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:57 | 6264297 lasvegaspersona
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Not ALL churchgoers...just enough to come to Satan's number...which is very close to 3.5 million I hear.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:58 | 6264298 stacking12321
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plenty of neo-nazi zhers on here are constantly bashing jews, bashing muslims, bashing blacks.

why not christians, too? are they "special"? are they the chosen ones who must not be talked about in anything other than exalted praises? will their delicate spirits wither away if someone says something that questions their character?

i have no objection to people choosing one crappy religion over another one, but, keep it to yourselves and dont push it on others

 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:53 | 6264450 Tall Tom
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When you make a statement and then, afterwards, I RESPOND to your post  then it is you who is doing the pushing.

 

YOU exerted the initial force, didn't you?

 

I will respond to anything that I want...including to your shallow thoughts if I choose to waste my time.

 

YOU are a waste of time as you cannot even comprehend that it was you who initiated the dialouge..

 

Just how shallow, thick and slow can you be?

 

Demonstrate it for me and be a target for faraway laughter.

 

Your hypocrisy stinks.

Fri, 07/03/2015 - 00:45 | 6265111 exonomic halfbreed
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They all belong to variants of the sun worshipping religions but are unaware of this for they do not study ancient religion and their structures.   They are enslaved untill they seek knowledge from sources outside their systems.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:34 | 6264393 nmewn
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Most church goers know they're fallible. ALL Keynesians, atheists, politicians and judges know they are not.

The evidence speaks for itself ;-)

 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:40 | 6264418 Tall Tom
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i love how when ONE church goer does something stupid, his actions are magically indicative of ALL church goers .

Overgeneralizations generally serve to yield to one a sense of superiority, often undeserved. It is a classic psychological defense to an inferiority complex.

It amazes me that many people who hold atheist beliefs feel so inferior.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:59 | 6264471 g speed
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"there are no atheists in fox holes" -------- nuf said

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:45 | 6264809 chunga
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The stock price for all these different "gods" would soar if just once, not twice, just once, evil did not win the day.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:49 | 6264438 AGuy
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"i love how when ONE church goer does something stupid, his actions are magically indicative of ALL church goers ."

There are two basic types of church goers:

1. The gulible, weak minded people that believe just about anything, especially if the speaker used the words "God" or "Jesus" in his/her message.

2. Those that prey on the guilble, weak minded, either for personal gain, to use there role to influence them for some cause (noble or not). For instance the Catholic church pedophile system.

People would be be best served by ignoring the noise and think for themselves. I dislike organized religion because it prey on people's deep emotions and use their emotions to do harm (ie Wars, money, political power) are almost always connected to religion or religous believed that are usually wrong or misguided. There are also a large number of atheists that aren't really atheists. the just substituted God with Big Gov't and socialism.  What a f***** mess!

 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:58 | 6264466 Seek_Truth
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There are many types who go to church, not just those two.

Many, perhaps most, go to church to network with like minded, moral and principled people that make trustworthy and reliable friends.

Never overlook the social aspect as a major draw.

That having been said, new converts also go to learn the basics of christianity.

But for those who wish to become mature Christians, personal daily Bible study outside of church is a must.

And practicing what one preaches.

Fri, 07/03/2015 - 00:51 | 6265125 exonomic halfbreed
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I suggest you study neuro linguistic programming and its effect in catechism resulting in a form of enslavement of the subconcious mind.  The truth shall set you free (not adherence to dogma).

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:45 | 6264258 Crawdaddy
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The truth is all around you but it will not tap you on the shoulder and ask you to wake up. You have free will and have to change your mind on your own.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:28 | 6264212 Closet Boy
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Woe to you, Oh Earth and Sea
For the Devil sends the beast with wrath
Because he knows the time is short
Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast
For it is a human number
Its number is Six hundred and sixty six

-Iron Maiden: Number of the Beast

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:33 | 6264218 Monetas
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Injury to God and Cops .... should not carry a heavier penalty .... killing a humble private citizen .... is just as evil .... as killing a cop .... or blaspheming God !

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:54 | 6264289 jez
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This was all God's will, presumably.

He moves in a mysterious way.

I hope you didn't speak to any menstruating women today, Seek_Truth. You know what Leviticus has to say about that.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:14 | 6264341 Seek_Truth
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Christ fulfilled the Old Covenant when He instituted the New Covenant.

Therefore, the laws of Leviticus are not required to be kept any longer:

"34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37Jesus replied: “?‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’c 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’d 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” - Matthew 22:34-40

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:37 | 6264404 nmewn
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Why the caveat word of "presumably"? Why not make a declarative statement and back it up, are you unsure?

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:56 | 6264293 lasvegaspersona
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So much for the equality of the Trinity...or was Luke some kind of early Protestant?

 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:22 | 6264361 Seek_Truth
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Constantine's corrupt "christianity" circa 300 AD led to the great schism, and later to the Protestant reformation.

All denominations still carry extra-biblical teachings as well as omitted biblical teachings, as was prophesied in 2Thessalonians 2, and Phillipians 1:18.

The true Christian church is nondenominational, and is made up of all who put their faith in Jesus Christ, worldwide.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:08 | 6264145 Salah
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The "Great American Mega-Church" scam-o-la will rival Wall Street.  These charlatans have the whole family on the payroll, own numerous suppliers & subcontractors, jets, yachts, mansions, REITS, you name it.  All gaming the tax code.

"singing glory-hallelujah all the time they sock-it-to-ya" Joe South

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:40 | 6264243 WillyGroper
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Rip - JS

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:09 | 6264152 delacroix
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god took your money

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:13 | 6264167 kaiserhoff
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Always liked your oil paintings.

Do you still take fiat?

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:25 | 6264205 suteibu
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What does God need money for? Wouldn't be much of a god if he did, would he?

Unless of course, you meant those humans (using the term loosely) who are doing the "God's work" both on Wall Street and from the pulpit.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:59 | 6264300 lasvegaspersona
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god may not need money but if he wants some he'll have to get it from the Fed.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:51 | 6264447 AGuy
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"god may not need money but if he wants some he'll have to get it from the Fed."

Or Lloyd Blankfein (ie is "Lord" Blankfein to us commoners?)

 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:09 | 6264154 q99x2
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Maybe it is a sign that arrest warrants will be issued for Lloyd Blankfein doing God's work.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:09 | 6264155 Jumbotron
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This kind of chicanery is rampant amongst the churches.  These "christians" forget that just because Christ, Church, and Crony Capitalism all start with the same letter they aren't one and the same.

 

I remember something about serving God or Mammon.  The operative word being...."or".

 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:19 | 6264184 XitSam
Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:57 | 6264847 azusgm
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Prison time + restitution. Sounds like a combination that should have caught on.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:11 | 6264158 Uber Vandal
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This lyric from the Nine Inch Nails song "Wish" sums this up quite nicely.....

"Put my faith in God and my Trust in you, now there's nothing more f*****d up I could do."

 

 

 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:12 | 6264161 Decimus Lunius ...
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That asshole stole my idea!  I guess I'll go with opening the Spear of Destiny mutual fund shop.  My flagship fund will be the Immaculate Conception Fund (JESUX) promising high returns to only those whose faith deserves them.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:15 | 6264173 kaiserhoff
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Long Confederate flags.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:14 | 6264169 suteibu
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Nobody paid attention to the part about Jesus and the moneychangers in the temple?  My God, what is financialization if not moneychanging?   This was a loser from the beginning. 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:16 | 6264178 Kirk2NCC1701
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Kirk will soon offer shares in the GITS* Fund.

Expect great Returns.

 

* Guy In The Sky

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:16 | 6264179 Taint Boil
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Religion is for the simple minded who don’t understand science or physics.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:21 | 6264189 suteibu
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I agree about religion being less than what it is made up to be, but the sciences still can not explain many things and physics creates more questions than answers about the universe, including whether it was a simple coincidental mixture of elements or a grand design. 

You depend on science and physics too much when they have produced nothing but theory.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:35 | 6264229 Taint Boil
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…sciences still can not explain many things….

Bingo – spot on. And science never claims it can ….. that is why they call it science….. you know, based on facts and stuff. No facts no proof. Too Funny.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:42 | 6264248 suteibu
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Then you criticize your own answer. 

In truth, you - and anyone else and especially scientists - are clueless about the origin or meaning of life.  Until science can prove or disprove God, you having faith in it is no different than people having faith in God.  Science is your religion.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:27 | 6264542 Tall Tom
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The same Math which I use to describe the microcosm is that which I use to demonstrate the existence of a Creator.

 

The Fine Tuned Universe  is so unlikely as it is an absurdoplex***

 

***Just like the Googleplex is a Google raised to the Google an absurdoplex is an absurdity raised to an absurdity.

 

(I kinda like the sound of that created word. :- )   )

 

An absurity is defined as 10-50

 

There is nothing more absurd than that of a chance manifestation of the Physical Universe. Thus it must be designed.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:32 | 6264578 suteibu
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Based on what you say, the odds are certainly in your favor.  I would say, however, that playing the favorable odds and "knowing" are not the same. 

My belief is that, if you were to know without doubt, you would be like Jesus...or Buddha according to your faith.  The question at that point is, would you feel the need to tell anyone?  Perhaps many have already achieve this knowledge and no one is aware of it.  Buddha said, "Before Enlightenment chop wood, carry water.  After enlightenment chop wood, carry water."

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:55 | 6264659 Tall Tom
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The odds are not favorable but overwhelming. It is a probability so small, so minute, as it approaches that of an infinitesimal probability, that I can be wrong.

 

As an Applied Scientist I will not even consider that an absurdity is probable, and for all intents it is impossible.

 

But one of the goals of enlightenment is to bring others toward the light.

 

And as I was called as a teacher, before enlightenment I taught. Then after enlightenment I also taught.

 

Really it is no different than what Buddha spoke over Three Centuries ago if my memory serves me correct.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:20 | 6264743 suteibu
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No...one of the goals of enlightenment is not to bring others toward the light.  Each person finds his own path.

Are you declaring yourself an enlightened being?  Interesting, if so.

I guess enlightenment screws up your memory (which would seem odd for an all-knowing being).  Buddha was on earth around 2600 years ago.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:39 | 6264790 Tall Tom
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Not a goal of your path perhaps. Is your path proper for others?

 

Yeah my memory can be faulty at times as well. You must understand that even in my most arrogant state I will not claim perfection. 

 

But my path is different than yours and I guarantee that I will not achieve perfection here.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:14 | 6264721 Tall Tom
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Somebody will junk my post without even looking up Fine Tuned Universe as a topic for exploration.

 

Ah yes...The atheist psuedoscientist always brings me satisfaction because his mind is closed to the possibility, in fact it is closed to the massive probability, that he is mistaken.

 

Then he wants to be understood as a Free Thinker and Open Minded?

 

Now that is absolutely laughable..

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:46 | 6264259 Seek_Truth
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OBEY science god, then.

Yours is a stunted philosophy.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:35 | 6264392 lasvegaspersona
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Science is not a belief. It is a process of exploration, formation of theories and testing by rigorous methods. One doesn't believe in woodworking, they use woodworking skills to shape wood.

The scam politicians (and the scandalously ignorant commie pope) are pulling is to get a bunch of other commies to agree to a body of ideas and then decree that those ideas are true...because enough 'smart' people' voted on it. In truth ideas can always be challenged as new information or new ways of examining the data become available. Shame on Pope Frank for throwing his lot in with the likes of Algore and deciding on 'settled science'. It can never exist but to commies it is the goal that is important and truth be damned.

Frank will go down as Leo the 9th. (Leo the 8th was Galilleo's antagonist.) shame shame shame...

...if this does not kill the Catholic Church I'll be surprised (or the world is full of gullible people).

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:10 | 6264509 Crawdaddy
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Not really. Many belief systems masquerading as science rely on faith. And it is provable. Scientically provable. The easiest fake science religion to disprove is evolution but the "scientists" go absolutely wack if you challenge it. They will do everything in their power to go James Carville on your ass to avoid considering a scientific debate. Because it would break their whole world view.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:33 | 6264769 Tall Tom
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Was Ptolomy's Astronomy a science?

Was Aristotle's Physics a science?

Was Galen's Medicine a Science?

 

Using EMPIRICAL Evidence, they were mistaken notions and beliefs.

 

Was Copernican Astronomy a Science?

 

Was Keplerian Orbital Mechanics a Science? (Quite accurate I might add. Still did not explain the 42" Precession of the perihelion of the orbit of the planet Mercury.)

 

Along came Newton and used Kepler's work, (Kepler used Halley's work and Tycho Brahe's work to formulate his laws of Planetary Motion) and developed his famed Laws of Motion. Still it is a BELIEF as it was inaccurate. DAMNED PLANET MERCURY)

 

Then Einstien came along and described curvature of Space Time. (Have you ever seen a chunk of Space Time curved?) Of course that took care of the problem of Mercury's orbital perihelion precession.

 

The advancement of science is one Belief System being overthrown by a more descriptive Belief System and based upon Empirical Measurements.

 

Yet you will claim that Science is not based upon belief?

 

Now excuse me.  I have been told that I have some bad blood and I have to go in for my bleeding.

 

 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:21 | 6264192 Seek_Truth
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Obvious troll is obvious.

There are plenty of Christians with science and physics degrees.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:12 | 6264518 Tall Tom
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Roughly 40% of Physics Professors profess a belief in God.

 

That is why we got into it in the first place...to read the mind of God.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:39 | 6264237 Crawdaddy
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Taint boil - An inquiring mind will make you an enemy of the state. If that comment is an indication of mindset, you are safe.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:43 | 6264251 WillyGroper
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Yes, and that same "captured" science says that crap in the sky is contrails, there's global warming & that vaccines & GMO's/pesticides are safe.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:15 | 6264345 JR
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It always amazes me that the nonreligious know exactly what Christians believe when the real fairy tales come from the sciences where everything from global warming to the recreating of ancient human skeletons from a pig’s tooth are easily accomplished.They can even sketch in the details, from hair to fingernails, even in color.

You talk about requiring faith… to follow the “sciences” you have to have flexible faith and be constantly on the alert for your positions to be revised such as the black hole theory now creeping up on the big bang theory as to the birth of the universe.

http://phys.org/news/2013-09-goodbye-big-black-hole-theory.html

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:37 | 6264410 lasvegaspersona
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You are just repeating the observation of Mark Twain...that the wonder of science is how much speculation can come from so little data.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:05 | 6264487 suteibu
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Twain observed a lot of things, many of them quite astute and relevant even today.  Unfortunately, like with other men of true intelligence, nobody listens to them. 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:23 | 6264554 g speed
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JR--"With out begining or ending"  

 http://arxiv.org/a/wetterich_c_1.html

delve into Wetterich's work a bit to see his conclutions that the universe is without beginning or ending-- 

"in the beginning was the word"

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:21 | 6264190 Ajax_USB_Port_R...
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The devil was taking the other side of his trades.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:25 | 6264203 db51
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Why are you being so hard on this guy?    What is the difference between him and Goldman Sachs?   They lost all the money too, but the Fed picked up the tab and shoved it up the taxpayer's ass, making the bankster losses go away.....problem here is this guy didn't have connections to the printing presses and ZIRP..

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:25 | 6264204 Nue
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Blessed are the poor in brains for they shall inherit the IOU's

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:27 | 6264210 coast
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Beg my pardon for repeating my post from yesterday, for those who have not seen it..

 Jesus is cool, you dont have to get on a website or invest any money.  Unless of course, YOU GO TO A CHURCH...

The true church started at the day of pentecost about 2000 years ago. And just like our constitution, doest exist anymore. Any church that takes a 501c3 is a traitor to the Spirit of Christ.  Which is pretty much all of them.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:33 | 6264222 Consuelo
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I have to agree.   Never understood the need or desire to utilize the tax code in such a way.   Just keep it simple and de-centralized.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:37 | 6264232 Seek_Truth
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Agree with you up to the 501c3 part.

There are plenty of churches that take the tax exemption without watering down the message because of it.

It is up to the gubmint to enforce their law, and I have seen very little enforcement in that area.

Preachers preach, and take their chances on getting their exempt status revoked, from what I have personally seen.

So far, that is.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:47 | 6264264 suteibu
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I'm not so sure the men who espoused their wisdom which became the basis for today's religions meant for their words to be turned into large, international, and very lucrative tax-exempt corporations.  That goes for Christians and Buddhists.  By my understanding, Jesus and Buddha would probably not approve.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:03 | 6264309 Seek_Truth
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On that we agree.

God's church is not a building, not a business.

The true Christian church is made up of all who put their faith in Jesus Christ.

Denominations are nothing more than franchises.

But those same franchises do much good, even though they have their limits, whether they take the tax exemption or not.

All fall short of the glory of God, and let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:14 | 6264342 coast
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Pastors are designated to lead their sheep. And by the actions of a pastor getting in bed with the satanic banking system is not much of a shepherd.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:27 | 6264374 Seek_Truth
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Taking tax exemptions is getting in bed with the banking system?

Who knew?

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:54 | 6264458 Crawdaddy
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I quizzed my pastor about 501c3. He said we'll use it until we lose it. Won't change the message one bit. When the choice comes down, the choice is already decided.

Most churches are not really churches. They are society meetings. I remember my grandma saying the same thing many (>30) years ago so it isn't new.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:05 | 6264316 coast
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as soon as they take the 501c3, they water down the truth.  When they take the 501c3, they are in bed with satan.  I am sorry, but I strongly disagree with your statement.  If they take the 501c3, it is impossible for them to teach the truth, because they already sold their soul to the devil... If their faith is not strong enough to help others because they need a tax exemption, then they have no faith at all....This is what is wrong with this country, people use excuses..

 I dont mean to get on ya, its just a passion of mine..

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:37 | 6264405 Seek_Truth
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Look, I'll be blunt.

There is NOT ONE denomination that teaches 100% truth.

ALL have SOME things correct, and SOME things wrong.

This was prophesied in 2Thessalonians 2 and Phillipians 1:18. As well as other scriptures.

Taking advantage of a tax exemption hardly prevents a pastor from speaking what he feels he needs to speak.

Now, IF a pastor waters down his message BECAUSE he is afraid of losing his tax exempt status, then I agree with you.

I deal with many churches and denominations, and I have seen no evidence that they are afraid.

Rather- They expect to have their tax exempt status revoked, but it hasn't happened.

YET.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:21 | 6264540 suteibu
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I tend to agree with him on this.  You will not find God in church no matter how hard you look.  However, if attending church leads you to search within yourself and there you find God, then there is some value to attending.

Otherwise, in my experience, religions are no different than any other money-dominated organization.  

I take care of my mother's finances.  If she falls behind her weekly pledge, the church sends her a bill...same as the IRS, the banks, water company and trash collector.  I would add that religions have lobbyists on K-street right along side GE, Monsanto, and Goldman-Sachs.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:42 | 6264603 Seek_Truth
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Here is an analogy I like to use:

Every denomination is a franchise.

Many are born into their franchise, others accept the teachings of one franchise and never venture further.

So, some ONLY eat McDonalds, others ONLY Wendy's, others ONLY Burger King, etc.

They will argue with one another about who has the best burger, but never try the competition, so they can't really know if they're right or not.

But most Importantly, many, perhaps most, don't spend time using their grill, buying ground meat from the butcher, and learning that THAT makes the BEST burger!

That is to say, denominations are a poor substitute for reading the Bible, the source, and putting your faith in Jesus Christ, praying for the Holy Spirit to dwell in you.

Denominations may lead one to Christ, but personal effort and practice of faith outside of church make the BEST Christian.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:44 | 6264619 suteibu
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No doubt. 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 23:34 | 6264963 azusgm
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One of the best things that has ever happened to me as a Christian has been that numerous churches post their sermons and Bible study series online. The other great thing is that I found biblegateway.com . I attend church with a small messianic jewish congregation and benefit from the jewish understanding of scripture. For easy Bible study from the protestant perspective, Pastor Damian Kyle has his full "Through the Bible" series posted on the Calvary Chapel, Modesto website at ccmodesto.com/media . He and his wife started that church 30 years ago and it is easy to tell that he and his parishoners are comfortable with each other. He teaches scripture on Sunday nights for an hour at a time and makes it through a chapter or so.

If anyone thinks that we Christians are all blind to the big money charlatans, please go to YouTube and type in "John Haller". "The Superior Word" is another YouTube channel. Charlie Garrett runs through current events every week in his prophecy updates. The new $65 million Gulf Stream that Creflo Dollar says is needed for "the Lord's work" has not gone unnoticed.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:30 | 6264217 buzzsaw99
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it sounds like the holy spirit didn't btfd

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:33 | 6264221 suteibu
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I'm pretty confident that if the holy spirit ever did speak to the man, it was not tell him add YELP to his portfolio.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:34 | 6264225 Monetas
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The greatest theft is social theft !

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:34 | 6264226 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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The Bible says...'wherever two, or three, are gathered in my name, there I am also'. The Bible does not say, wherever two, or three, are betting in my name, there I am also. Moreover, if any investment advisor recommends 'faith based investment' you should invest elsewhere. My Chartered Accountant father always claimed that the Church just wants your money. As a 'confirmed' Anglican I must agree that the only thing the church wants is monetary devotion to their independent coffers. The church gets tax free status and stores treasure up here on Earth just like the Bible tells us not to. Bottom line is that the church is corrupt like Goldman Sachs and that's why Lloyd Blankfein likes claiming to be doing 'God's work'.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:27 | 6264375 JR
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The generosity of the American middle class is unmatched in the history of the world, providing not only for the less fortunate, but opting to have a steadily improving standard of living which would facilitate opportunities and growth for all.

It was the tyrannical ruling families whose larceny of the produce of others, controlled by a private central bank which created a massive welfare system , that used the poor to provide the political votes for their tyranny.

America was founded and grew through the decades using Christian principles of brotherhood. While as a Christian nation, America is/was a charitable nation.

The Center for Global Prosperity found that in the US "the $8.8 billion in giving from American religious institutions to developing countries was $1.5 billion more than the total giving from all private sources in 30 of the world's major industrialized democratic countries combined."

The Daily Kos in "How Come Christian Conservatives Give More?" says "Mounting evidence shows that religious people give more dollars and volunteer hours to charity than do nonbelievers, and conservatives give more than liberals."                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               ABC News reports that “...the single biggest predictor of whether someone will be charitable is their religious participation.

http://www.givingandvolunteering.org/pdf/n-vc1sen.pdf

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:19 | 6264535 Crawdaddy
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Want to know if your denomination is part of the pig man NWO? Look for their name on the World Council of Churches signing list. It includes every one of the big boys.

Big clue - if you ever see the word "ecumenical", run.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/World-Council-of-Churches

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:37 | 6264234 Consuelo
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I used to like going to this church...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA10RgMRRpE

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:48 | 6264267 Snoopy the Economist
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"He promised them monthly returns of 4%. It seems like a small number, but annually, that's about 50%."

No it's actually 60% per year when 4% is compounded monthly.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:50 | 6264269 razorthin
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Only chosen members of the Temple of Zion are on the inside of God's financial work.  Get it through your thick skull.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:51 | 6264278 Who was that ma...
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Sounds like he's been imbibing a little too much of the holy spirits.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:53 | 6264281 JR
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Perhaps you’re aware, Tyler, that the artwork for this article represents the Holy Spirit backgrounded by the Cross. And your frequent contributor (18 articles in June), Daniel Drew, uses the attention getting “Holy Shit!” with the symbol of the Christ.

It’s been less than a week since the government of the United States assumed regulation of the Christian churches in America by declaring the belief in the Bible to be illegal. Immediately, the rapture of the perversion by the Bolshevik media told us the churches would be the target. And some already have said recognition of pedophilia as an illness is next.

So, since it has become fashionable to mock and blaspheme the Christian religion and culture, does Zero Hedge plan to join in as well? After all, the attacks are legal. In one fell swoop, more than 200 years of free speech and freedom of religion are now vacated.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:36 | 6264592 Crawdaddy
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Thanks for pointing that out JR. I second the question.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:40 | 6264797 BlussMann
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As the "brave" satirst of Charlie Heebrew illustrate, you can demean the Moslems and the Christians with the worst sort of flith - but never the Sacred Jew !

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 19:56 | 6264295 Biggieshort
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Is this guy trying to tell us the creator of the universe can't trade futures?  I'm no lawyer but, I think this guys lying.

 

:)

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:37 | 6264789 BlussMann
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It's like George Carlin said, God, the Almighty Master of the Universe just has a hell of a time managing money - he's always broke.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:16 | 6264319 Ness.
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If the real Jesus Christ were to stand up today
He'd be gunned down cold by the C.I.A
Oh, the lights that now burn brightest behind stained glass
Will cast the darkest shadows upon the human heart
But God didn't build himself that throne
God doesn't live in Israel or Rome
God doesn't belong to the Yankee dollar
God doesn't plant the bombs for Hezbollah
God doesn't even go to church
And God won't send us down to Allah to burn
No, God will remind us what we already know
That the human race is about to reap what it's sown

The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds

The The - Armageddon Days Are Here Again (Matt Johnson 1989)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lel0PzhU6Pk

 


Thu, 07/02/2015 - 20:58 | 6264465 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Because God's love is unconditional, we are all forgiven in the end.  We are all saved.

 

Religion and Spirituality are often diametrically opposed.  There are no religions in heaven.

 

Tuco

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:05 | 6264689 Tall Tom
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I am condemned and unforgiven. You are sadly mistaken.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:06 | 6264492 dsty
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for the most part it has been refreshing to read this thread

thanks guys

it is nice to see a change from the usual cynical schpeal

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:26 | 6264548 ThisIsBob
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When I was a child and learned of the Holy Ghost, I thought it was one of the silliest things I had ever heard of.  70+ years later, I still do.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 21:24 | 6264556 Brokenarrow
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have a look at sean Mueller's track record. he's from denver, co. he will be up for parole in 2040 when he is app seventy yrs old.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:46 | 6264812 caribbeanbarry
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Those fucking goy traders.... 

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:49 | 6264822 ljag
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If you want to know about churches (not religions), read about the pros....the Jesuits. They are, after all, the ones who get the most. Even the Rothchilds carry their water. Nothing as in NOTHING is allowed to proceed without their approval.

Thu, 07/02/2015 - 22:51 | 6264828 jonjon831983
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Shitty scammer, here's what he should do:

"Oh lord.. temptation of the devil called the markets shook me from the righteous path.  I bare my throat to your mercy for I was weak and led astray by SATAN. I know with your help and your faith my brothers that I can fight SATAN and banish him from our lands.   I blame the corruption of SATAN in the markets.  I need your help and your donations to fight them one more time."

Fri, 07/03/2015 - 09:16 | 6265781 Perfecthedge
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Jesus was a gambler.

It paid off for him.  From a shitty barn to a multi-billion franchise.  Corzined everybody for 2000 years.  Not bad J.  Not bad J.


Fri, 07/03/2015 - 09:51 | 6265883 Mat Cauthon
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The whole thing was whacked from the beginning.

For those who do Trust in Divine Providence, God works in the lives of individuals, not corporate entities as under the Old Covenant where the children of God (Real Torah following Jews) were expected to obey the law, and rewarded or punished according to their obedience and works.

And even if the Holy Spirit DID give this gent some supernatural guidance to play the stock market (which is here nor there), I highly doubt that the Almighty would have given him permission to 'sell' this Wisdom to others to profit on it in the earthly markets.

When Jesus told the rich man, who admittedly said he followed the Law to the letter, to sell all his stuff and follow him, it was not about making the man a poor schlep.  It was because his love, reliance, and trust in his money was greater than his trust in the Provider.  In no place did Jesus say the dude would stay poor, but he needed to get his priorities straight.

And in the end this story is no different than one I saw a few years ago about the Southern Baptist Convention who had a stock market fund that their congregants put money into trusting that 'church leaders' knew finance and could make them wealthy.  You can guess how that turned out as well.

 

 

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain (It's time to toss the dice)

Got Karatbars?

Fri, 07/03/2015 - 13:50 | 6266530 Livermore Legend
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It is NOT the Responsibility of Government to Protect "SPECULATORS".

When one employs CAPITAL for a RETURN absent SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE, that is Purely SPECULATION.

It is in fact IMPOSSIBLE to GUARANTEE a FIXED RETURN on VARIOUS SUMS of CAPITAL deployed JUDGMENTALLY and SUBJECTIVELY on a MONTHLY basis.

That MORE than 99% are IGNORANT as to why this is so, doesn't alter the fact.

Thus on its face, it is indeed a "PONZI SCHEME".

These individuals, like the LEGIONS before them and yet to come, ALL WANT SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.

It is their own IGNORANCE and GREED that provides the very basis for their ULTIMATE LOSS.

If the DOCTRINE OF CONTRIBUTORY NEGLIGENCE were FULLY applied to Markets, these schemes would be reduced dramatically, although never eliminated, for HUMAN NATURE cannot be.

For those who lost your CAPITAL:

As Grown Adults does it really seem believable that 'Billy Bob' can get you TWICE what the 10 Year US Treasury Yields in a Year, EVERY MONTH INDEFINITELY ?

Not your own "GREED" ?

So then you DESERVE to RIGHTFULLY receive some 50% a YEAR without any KNOWLEDGE, SKILL or EFFORT ?

= YOU DESERVED TO LOSE YOUR MONEY.

Accept Responsibility.

 

 

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