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A 21-Year-Old Greek Unloads: "I Am Terrified Of Tomorrow...It Feels Like An End"
A letter to The FT... Presented with no comment...
Sir,
Memory. No memory of life before the financial crisis; politics has dominated it ever since. But now I can hardly remember life before Friday night. Fear. I am terrified of tomorrow, all I now see is black. Uncertainty, leading us through our days, every remainder of hope for a brighter future being destroyed by the minute. I look at my three-year-old niece, I envy her ignorance, I envy her age. I am 21 years old and the past few days I feel tired by life. A referendum that supposedly gives me the right to define my future, seems to have taken it away.
There are hundreds of people queueing at the ATMs and petrol stations, there is silence in the streets, people’s faces are frozen. This is the reality since Friday night. There are, and have been for a long time, people literally starving. However, it seems that instead of their situation improving, the rest of us will have no different a fate.
Families and friends divide in Yes and No camps. We are called to exercise our democratic right by voting on a referendum while having no tangible explanation of what will follow each decision. I see everyone I know ready to take this huge responsibility without even being prepared to do so. I notice us, arguing endlessly, everyone supporting their stance fervently, ego dominating minds and words, while having no clue as to what is really at stake.
We all want the crisis to end, we all crave growth and happiness. I do not remember my parents being free of stress and anxiety in the past years. I do not remember not noticing shops closing every month, or the rapid increase of beggars in the streets. People that, before the financial crisis, never had to beg for anything. However, the past five days have been worse than all that has been so far. They say that all we hear is propaganda; but we have lost our trust in all sides, now everything seems to be lies.
It feels like an end. The end of our lives as we knew them. Yes, the lives that, before Friday, we already thought could be better; now we realise they were better then. The only thing we truly wish for is that the worst is not yet to come.
Iliana Magra
Thessaloniki, Greece
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Gyges, what can you tell us about Betty Batziana?
Reliable sources in the Anglophone press say Alexis Tsipras is completely under her control, and that she is the one determined to turn Greece into a communist state, with herself as Big Sister, at any price---threatening to throw Alexis out of her bed and out of their commie cult if he gives an inch.
You really want to be ruled by Batshit Betty?
Vote NO and there will be a future.
"YES" is trying to scare you because the are scared of losing control over you.
Die once with courage or die a thousand times with cowardice.
History will remember you as first over the barbed wire to freedom.
The only thing we truly wish for is that the worst is not yet to come.
Iliana Magra
Thessaloniki, Greece
I wish I could tell you things will get better. I am not a very good liar...so I will just shut the fuck up.
Where is Vegas on this?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/grexit-william-hill-stopped-taking-bets-on...
Which is all very silly because an OXI vote doesn't mean a "Grexit".
And who would want one? Not me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf9cDKqwhQw
If there is a yes vote, expect mass rioting.
The larger question is: when will the, 'bunga bunga' party start or the marquis de sade reformation movement begin?.... and, who will catch the angry peni in their butts?
I think Greeks prefer toga parties.
Yeah but even in Greece, somebody is going to, "go greek" on somebody!
You have nothing to fear but fear
That and some crazy ex-girlfriend with an ice pick.
Hopefully, you're just imagining this situation as a hypothetical.
Clue anyone?
Lorena Bobbitt in the bedroom with the butcher knife...
The horror I tell you...the horror.
From the story "Before I was a Stud and Afterwards a Gelding." by John Wayne Bobbitt
Now that happens to many a married man but not expressed as graphically.
Tragic I tell ya...tragic. She bobbed it alright.
Perhaps it inspired the song Detachable Penis...
Jeffrey Dahmer asked her...
"Are you going to eat that?"
Or a soon to be ex with a tube of krazy glue.
Just figure out what the bankers back and vote against that. You'll always be right.
Bingo. Long SPY calls over the weekend.
Should be absolutely terrified of what happens on the day after tomorrow if there is a "yes" vote.
A 'no' vote is a vote for a new beginning, a new start. Ask Iceland.
Relax and just pass it so you can see what's in it........
FT is pumping out the propaganda. Of course, it's part of their name.
Full-tilt high stakes fear mongering:
"EU warns of Armageddon if Greek voters reject terms"
"Without new money, salaries won't be paid, the health system will stop functioning, the power network and public transport will break down," warns President of European Parliament"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11718296/EU-warns-of-Armage...
In homeopathic medicine you have to make the symptoms get worse, so that you can get better. Scary stuff. The longer she waits, the more disease destruction there will be to heal from. Pretty damn bad now.
Civil war is out of the question. If you want to go into this kind of scenarios, look to the neighbours, the Turks.
This should give you some perspective. (Btw, the man who handled this fiasco is PASOK's Simitis, campaigning for NAI)
And of course - Cyprus.
Armed fighters in Greek aerospace are a common occurence, and naval breaches aren't out of the question either.
Turkey right now has no parliament, which means the Turkish military is empowered and emboldened in their authority.
Fuck, everyone will give in to insanity if they try anything. (The Muslims with voting rights plan to vote OXI btw, and they have been directed to do so. Few as they are, their stance is clear). God bless and guide Uncle Sam in this case.
Gyges, I take it you are there. Of course I think that the Greeks should repudiate their present external debts. But then - how are they going to handle their own corruption? Which, I have heard from Greeks who have moved to the U.S., is extreme; merit has no place in most hiring I've been told; it is all whom you know. Also, how are Greeks going to purchase the meds and other 21st century items they want, if they don't have income? I don't see income from the tourist industry being enough at all. Where is the real (as opposed to borrowed) income going to come from?
This is the exact type of fear that the banking class were hoping would happen. This is the very type of fear that these leeches thrive on. They create it deliberately so that they can come swooping in like demonic heros providing the solution. The solution is to "take some more money my friend... sell the last ounce of your soul over to me and I will take care of you forever... as you kneel before me and serve me into eternity".
So the obvious answer is to simply kick the criminal bankers square in the balls and tell them to fuck right off. Because although all outcomes will be painful... one is far less painful than eternal servitude. This really 'should' be a pretty darned easy decision to make.
Iliana
Except for one thing, you and the citizens of Greece are no different from millions of folk in America and Europe.
The difference is that you and your compatriots know the date certain of your problem. The Americans and Europeans have no less a problem than you.
Except they don't know the date of its arrival.
Best of luck
Damocles
Why didnt Syryzia craft the referendum so YES was NO and NO was YES?
Just seems from a marketing perspective that would have been smart.
People like YES.
This is a good point.
Who would ever vote "No" on "Europe"....
Unless they are prepared to die of course...
Except in France.
No?
"The only thing we truly wish for is that the worst is not yet to come." Sorry, but I can't feel anymore pity. Western people have become too stupid, like sheep. Life is not a fairy tale, you must fight for your rights. Once we knew it. If you don't fight, you will be slaughtered. If you don't fight at least for a better future for your children, they will not survive either. Every animal, who lives in a jungle, knows that. But Western people have just become too soft - hence they won't survive. It seems that they managed to do that in the West - they managed to educate people like soft, silly sheep. There will be other people, elsewhere, in different times, who will fight and survive. I imagine that the Fall of the Roman Empire felt like this. History keeps repeating itself. People in rich civilizations become too spoiled, too soft...and they just slowly die away and make space for those less civilized, wild, who are not afraid to fight at any cost. And so silly soft sheep will just disappear together with their rainbow flags and gay parades and human rights.
Iliana Magra is either lying, confused, a drama queen or something has been lost in translation.
"Memory. No memory of life before the financial crisis; politics has dominated it ever since. But now I can hardly remember life before Friday night. Fear. I am terrified of tomorrow, all I now see is black."
"I do not remember my parents being free of stress and anxiety in the past years."
"However, the past five days have been worse than all that has been so far. They say that all we hear is propaganda; but we have lost our trust in all sides, now everything seems to be lies."
"A referendum that supposedly gives me the right to define my future, seems to have taken it away."
I cannot reconcile this in any form, it sounds like the average comment left on HuffPo, my life has been ruined by...a referendum?
Microaggressive democracy or sumpin...I have no idea.
https://twitter.com/magraki
Seems like the same person.
What a bitch, what a disgrace.
EDIT: Yeah it's her.
"Greek BA Politics student/ SOAS, London, UK. Politics/ News/ Literature."
I'll let you be the judge.
EDIT2: Sorry, can't this slide. This is a propagandist under the veil of objective consideration. What future does she have to worry about, being able to fund a BA in the UK, being completely free of conscription and any such obligations, with accounts choke full of British pounds?
I can't believe I'm reading this pile of donkey shit. Civil war MY ASS!
Id fuck that
Ambitious, for a fetus...
Yeah, Iliana Magra is quite the political tweeter isn't she.
OMG! My little niece, "I envy her ignorance and her age."
Why, because you're fucked for fifteen years for what you're done in the recent past that you can barely remember?...lol.
Iliana Magra @Magraki 14h14 hours ago
There it is--Iliana blames the coming referendum for a major part of her fear... And since the referendum was primarily instituted for a NO vote, she gives away her support for YES.
Yes.
A bird living her entire existence in a guilded cage, is still just a caged bird. Afraid of freedom, afraid of choosing the freedom of flight and searching for its own sustenance, preferring instead, the promise of food & water delivered to her from her master in the morning.
Unless of course, the master dies in his sleep at night.
Oh...but whatever will become of the poor bird in the cage? ;-)
A bright future as an escort if that picture is of her.
Anyone remember that fake-ass chick pleading for Ukraine?
Same thing.
"I'll let you be the judge."
The fact that she wrote to FT is all you need to know.
You won't be "envying" your 3 year old niece,when she's remanded to an IMF brothel at age 12,to work off your countrys debt servicing Amerikan GI's,to pay off your Joo overlords..
Strauss-Kahn, here I come!
Too much Greek Estrogen will condemn it to slavery forever.
You feel terrified? It feels like an end?
Welcome to life son.
A son named Iliana?
Damned Kardashians are everywhere.
I'm sure it's been pointed out before, but more people should've listened to Margaet Thatcher. You really do eventually run out of other people's money...and this is what it looks like.
Sadly.... the US owes more than anyone in this history of the entire world and, half of that debt has been accumulated in the last 6yrs.
The irony of course is that Greece is running a surplus...
Thatcher and her crew ran out of 'other people's money' just as fast as any commie would have.
ALL of these ass-wads are spending "other people's money"! What do you think, it's theirs?
Rip the band-aid off, quit crying and let the healing begin.
Iliana ought to be counting her blessings. She's female and 21.
Assuming she isn't in a wheelchair or obese, all she needs is do to save herself is take a few of the bills from under Mom and Dad's mattress, buy a one-way ticket to a city in a normal country and be ready to start making all the money she possibly need tomorrow morning. Sex work is one of the very few jobs left that women can do that can't be computerized.
She needs to overcome her fear, swallow her pride, and get on with it. No matter what she does, Greece's fate is sealed.
Don't vote. Run.
Well, swallow something.
Update: I see that she's already a uni student in London home for the holidays and mostly worried about how she'll be able to go back in the autumn. Capital controls will make it impossible for Daddy to pay her fees.
My advice still stands. Where there's a will, there's a way, as a slightly older woman likes to say. If she's serious about finishing her degree, her sugar daddy can pay her fees as easily as her real one---and probably has better job connections in London than Daddy.
So she needs to grab those bills from Daddy's mattress or safe. If she doesn't, Batshit Betty will happily liberate them for her.
They most likely have their money in Britain already, in pounds. What capital controls?
Only the "pleb" (/s) residents of Greece worry about that.
People like her belong are among the life suckers of Greece. Who knows where that money came from (could even be out of your pockets for all I know.)
I live in Canada, so not yet.
Whatever loot Daddy moved to London will probably only last so long. Even if Daddy makes it out of Greece one step ahead of Batshit Betty's red guard, it's a fair bet he'll have to start over from scratch. Plenty of former doctors, lawyers and engineers are washing dishes in Greek restaurants the world over. Take what comfort you can from the fact that Daddy won't be sponging off German taxpayers much longer.
If Iliana is serious about finishing her degree, she'll have to find another way to get the money.
"If Iliana is serious about finishing her degree, she'll have to find another way to get the money."
She could work at the Cheesecake Factory.
Sounds like a terror attack against Greece. Everyone is so frightened.
FT.... what a joke. Sob stories from Greeks doing a BA in the UK.
Peter Spiegel and BBC too. Congratulations world, the Greek youth's plight is EXPOSED! Yay we're saved!
Doesn't matter, as long as a Greek is in charge, Greece is fucked.
The EU and the IMF have been in charge for 6 years. I think I'll take my chances.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3149640/Mimi-Big-T-s-buffoon-lea...
Go Greek For A Week:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr4xbe_greek-for-a-week-why-greece-is-d...
I bit of change here and there:
"I am terrified of tomorrow" To: "I am terrified of losing my (part-time) job (again). Or:
"I do not remember not noticing shops closing every month, or the rapid increase of beggars in the streets."
changed to: "I do not remember not noticing shops closing evey month, or the rapid increase of (homeless and Panhandlers)."
And there you have it, my smaller USA city. At least she does not need to fear the brutal NE winter, or losing all I have to the banksters.
Every week I thank God for my job, and since I work in Industry I really am terrified...
RT reported that many workers of big global corporations were told during mass meetings during working hours that they will be laid off if Tsipras has his ways so they better vote yes if they want to see their paychecks on Monday.
Wonderful democracy at work.They should be arrested by interfering with democratic process.
Does anybody have a doubts now about who we are dealing with here? Armani suit psychotic gangsters, extortionists, blackmailers and thieves from troika run corporatist super-state.
Campaign for Greek People: True alternative:
To Greek people.
Fuck EU. Let Russians and Chinese build brand new navy bases on few out of thousand of islands you have and now subsidize.
Drop EU and euro for drachma, Default on all the debt. Put oligarchs in jail. Make pace with Turkey. After south stream join silicon road from which collect toll on everything EU and German mofos need and enjoy your great culture, literature, philosophy, wine and plenty of R&R and let Germans sweat.
Europeans would beg for drachmas backed by massive gold of Russia and China and their commodity and economic power. You will eat EU lunch just in few years.
Make a stand against your EU slave masters, do not let them plunder your rich and beautiful country. Drop old corrupted recalcitrant political structures organize new Hellenistic movement, first in international movement of de-centralization and de-globalization of the world power. Quit imperial power project embrace your nation, embrace future of your children.
OR KEEP SLAVING TO EUROPEAN GANGSTERS AND LOW LIFE POLITICIANS.
Surely you jest.....There aren't enough NO voters on planet earth to stop the YES vote. Fix in Banksters and Oligarchs win
This can only happen with 70s style fascism in 2015 Greece. Don't count on it.
I've got a stack of Benjamins for any takers.....YES will be the resounding vote. The Banksters and Politicians always WIN!
The cunts will destroy Greece tomorrow.
It's no wonder the leaked New Democracy paper concerning pre-election strategy for NAI specifically mentions that priority target groups are Women, the very old, and the very young.
And that's exactly what happened to America. Instead of logic we sank on emotion.
Interesting that a such young man understands, or is about to really get it, how ego destorys one's person and when unchecked hubris ego is extrapolated to the state level....destroys all.
Peace and Puffs tomorrow Greece. Stay Frosty.
What about the USA coming in to save the day with a "bailout?'
They do it to keep global banking from imploding. Maybe sacrifce Douche bank, like Leamnan or Bear. Maybe make Goldman eat them. Or JP morgan.
Who is the AIG here? Anyone?
Extra bonus points, they don't go to Russia/China, we act like true alies (smirk).
Extra bonus points, USA could get some PR points abroad.
Extra secret plus bonus points, the Fed would now own Europe.
Then we bail out Italy and Spain and...
Might as well just keep adding on the debt, my fellow bitch friends...
Pile that shit on.
Bring it.
We got a big damn printing press, what the fuck you going to do about it? We will print as we see fit.
Bail ourselves out too when the time comes, jettison the Fed as the bad bank, keep all the nice clean and shiny countries, put them under a new global currency...
The show must go on...
Economic Hitman at work. Elites will get what they want until we suicide ourselves or hang the bankers on lightpoles.
"Yes" means we come back to this same issue in 6 months.
Eventually, the Greeks will understand this banker/slavery thing.
How much destruction does it take until people question the system, and not just the people running it? According to polling they basically still want to be in the euro.
This is the same mentality as: "He whips me every night until I bleed, but well... he is my father..."
It's so fucking sad to watch.
Didn't they get the banker memo, telling them that their name is Toby?
A sovereign nation for several thousand years.
Joins the EU in 1981.
34 years later scared to death of being on their own... 34 years!
This is what bankers can do to nations in very little time.
You meant sovereign city states, didn't you -- until Rome took over (even of Sparta in 146 BC)? So "several thousand years" is a bit of an exaggeration.
It has to be tough to realize that your whole life has been subsidized by a government that couldn't afford it....and now you'll actually have to earn your living through productive work. Scary for them but will be so liberating if they choose freedom.
Are you addressing Greece, or the USA?
poor greeks, too bad they don't have a confederate flag to argue about or a transgendering narcissist to obsess over. you know, some of the vapid escapist shit they're drowning us with here in the cradle of modern neo-western 'civilization'...
SYRIZA capitalizes on LGBTI and feminists, don't worry about that. The result is riding the wave on international media and gaining sympathy.
The Guardian on their main banner have a photo from Athens I presume, with the rainbow flag plastered over a wall with a big OXI on top. The connotations are obvious.
You'll always know you are doing right if you chase a banker out of your town.
Jesus even did it with the money changers. And I believe in Jesus like I do Santa Claus. Even fairy tales of past know they are getting ass raped better than the serfs of today.
Do you give your grandkids presents at Christmas?
I had AML. Double cord transplant. I'm sterile and only 35. I've spared the sin of being a father in these times.
They'll vote yes, like always. People always choose to prolong.
they are going to choose to serfdom theirselves
21 years old is still young. Given a poor education and a corrupt media, the young person is probably clueless as to the real nature of the crisis gripping her life. Greece has been taken by the economic hit men. It has all happened before, but now it is happening in the 1st world!
WTF?
https://www.facebook.com/iliana.magra?fref=ts
JTRIG ops.
Would you like some cheese with that whine, Iliana? Why don't you rob the banks as soon as they open their doors given that they have robbed you of your future? Bite the bullet, devise a plan, and re-appropriate the money from the Oligarchs just for fun, and fat Greek chicks. Think of the BIG-fat-Greek wedding you could have with all that money.
The real problem with Greece is their culture sucks; they are one of three european countries with this problem. Greece is so full of individual and group corruption, they rival any 3rd world banana republic. Until the people change Greece wiill not change.
SH
Every respectable family has the fuck-up/embarrassment they try to hide and make excuses for. They rarely get their act together. Think GWB, Billy Carter, Roger Clinton (not that the Clinton family was respectable in the traditional sense), Spaulding from Caddie Shack.
Sounds like USA
Illiana living in London...and I'll bet the farm her Daddy is well connected and safe from financial exposure to the vote....probably a bankster himself. Illiana won't be vanquishing her jet set lifestyle at a Libtard University anytime soon.
The no vote is ideally the way to go. The only problem is that Communists currently run the show in Athens. Iceland didn't have far left radicals in power during their financial crisis. Let's be honest -- yes or no, the Greeks are never going to get their fiscal house in order.
This could literally throw Greece into a civil war - regardless of the outcome of their referendum. This is do or die for them - there is way more at stake than voting in a local election to see who gets the job of dog catcher. This is about their very lives and futures. This will not end well no matter which way this referendum goes. One needs to thank the EU, the ECB and the IMF for this colossal failure.
and civil war/unrest is the only way the troika is going to be rid of - the only way
and don't forget the corrupt Greek politicians and bureaucrats who, for personal gain, conspired to get them into this mess, and of course the banksters.
I listen to 21 year olds, but not without realizing that they do not know what is actually going on.
I am not saying I know everything that is going on, but I know it is way more than a 21 year old with feelbadz.
he should be thankful he is 21. More options for action.
Illiana.....Officially an Intern at the Greek Embassy in London. Another Political Elite's spawn. This is a Greek Chelsea Hubb.le..er, I mean Clintoon.
"I look at my three-year-old niece, ..."
I cut & pasted & saved it - will be re-using that here in the USA in 3 years.
by then, it will be your 6 year old niece.
Not if she were only recently born....
Greece coul be the pawn in a bidding war between Putin and the Chinese. China needs markets and free trade ports inside Europe plus a place to project power in the Middle East and Putin needs Lebensraum past the Ukraine into the Mediterranean.
I have a really hard time believing that a 21 year old in Greece could be blindsided by the events of late.
Eris, the Greek goddess of chaos, strife and discord, set in motion the Trojan War.
Tsipras and his silly little party, Syriza, will set in motion consequences the Greek people will regret for decades.
Greece will return to being a Third World country, poor and backward - the backdoor of Africa.
Eris, the Greek goddess of chaos, strife and discord, set in motion the Trojan War.
Tsipras and his silly little party, Syriza, will set in motion consequences the Greek people will regret for decades.
Greece will return to being a Third World country, poor and backward - the backdoor of Africa.
To the fairest goeth the Apple of Discord.
Awarded to Aphrodite by Paris, who got Helen of Troy as his reward for crooked judging.
And the apple came from whom? ... ;)
Tammy Wynette?
The poor kid is having an Iraq, Libya, Yemen moment when the realization that things are blown up and life is changed forever. The banksters will let them starve as they loot real Greek assets.
I will be laughing my ass off when Americans are at that moment of realization. Without brainwashed Americans and democracy hating Teabaggers, the bankster fascist Empire would have not been possible. 50 years ago, Americans would have hung ever one of the bankster fascist traitors.
There's still hope.
After putting them in control in 1913? Oh, please.
You talk your anti-democracy shit 50 years ago and the entire American population would line up to slap the shit out of you.-- Ingrate American.
http://journal-neo.org/2015/07/03/what-stinks-about-varoufakis-and-the-w...
Just admit socialism doesn't work and I'll have some sympathy for you.
oh, shush! you are in favor of Socailism for the Pentagon...
He should take heart. The end of the fucking sick scum in Brussels is at hand.
The filthy criminal construct, the fake worthless, ponzi toilet paper, passing itself off as currency is now on its deathbed.
Anyone who has illusions that this insanity can go on much longer is delusional in the extreme, and for all the dribbling sycophantic morons out there, I will tell precisely why.
The lying evil corrupt canal of gangsters in Brussels and Frankfurt have been caught out. So desperate are they to save their skins thy went a step too far. They handed their enemies a silver bullet on a platter.
And enemies they have a plenty. AFD Podemos Syriza UKIP, FN and in e3very other country, rising faster than they can even imagine or the pathetic little shills and trolls for the EU can believe, their rise to power is about to explode.
When Junkface the lying cunt and the corrupt Parisian criminal tart lefarte tried to suppress the IMF report proving that Greece could not now nor ever could repay the fraudulent loans made to cover criminally corrupt EU banks like BNP DB, CA and all the rest, and load the debt on European taxpayers by promising Greece could repay and would repay, they not only lied to the Greeks daring the so called negotiations, they lied to their own people and taxpayers too.
And when it also becomes common knowledge as it will. that these lying evil crooks and bent and warped cock suckers went rushing from Greek meetings and junkface and lefarte and Fuhrer schultz and Fuhrer merkel, the FUB, (see Berlusconi, Fat Unfuckable Bitch), and hit the phones, begging, nay, screeching and wailing and pleading to Washington to suppress this report, not once, not twice, but a whole gaggle of them crawling and supplanting themselves, selling everything and anything, to cover it up, day after day and month after month, when people find out that even camoron was there calling his butt buddy , the homosexual in the WH the fucking obummer faggot, begging him to do the same, then people will realize the true nature of these degenerate, hideous, lying abhorrent and despicable thugs in Brussels.
That silver bullet, even now is getting polished, and the gun sights lined up and the enemies of the Brussels mob, the real people of Europe, are starting t leverage the power of that bullet and will soon be aiming square at the heart of the endemic corruption and evil that lies at the heart of Europe.
And the filth in Brussels know it all too well, As does camoron the lying slimy cunt in the UK,
Their days are numbered, and the filthy disgusting turd wrapper called the euro is going to disappear.
Risk on now for the markets, How long before they too see the impossibility of these filth regaining the trust of their own people as they get swept from power when they realize they loaded them up with toxic debt from ostensibly Greece, but in reality their very own criminal cabal, the banks. What do the markets do now, rejoice as the other corrupt banking fraudster, that fucker draggy prints a few trillions more to stabilize the filthy coupon, and keep it flowing, or do they sell.
I know where my bet goes and I can see all too clearly where support for the scam voucher comes from, as do the markets. The SNB is prime amongst them buying the dross to save its own currency going through the roof.
Did anyone really believe the euro coupon kept itself at the level it has these past few weeks because people were buying it and had faith as lying media propaganda would have you believe . hahahahaha, you are so gullible.
The weeks and months to come will see the fucking crud in Brussels crucified, we will see to that, This message and others like it will reach every part of Europe, people who are smart will realize the risk is on, and cash will flow from Europe, just as it did from Greece, and why the ESF will start to reach all of Europe.
What will you tell the people you cheated then , your taxpayers merkel yu fat unfuckable bitch, what will you tell the Bundesbank, as you explain how you lied and defrauded them
This presages the end and I am dancing in the streets even now, and cant wait to do the final tap on the grave.
This Greek guy doesnt need to worry, just needs to vote NO and for the first time in his life, he will becom a free man
That's quite a rant...
As much as I want you to be right, those you hope to see tossed out on their asses are still - more or less - dictating the language of the conversation. They are the ones defining the choices people are being given. Yes or No. To what? To their option! Think about that. Greece is not even being shown any other choices! The power to be able to define the terms of the debate is huge, and should not be overlooked. People are still looking to their propaganda organs to gain their perspective on the news.
I hope they go, just as you do. I just see them with a lot of power yet to cause grief. They're not going out without a fight, and it's a while more before they face the mob. The mob still has not yet caught on. They still want to be part of this (80% want to stay in the euro). People are remarkably susceptible to stories, and Brussels has spun this story very well. Not as well as the US, which believes even more outrageous lies, but well enough.
What seems to be a typical and honest human response. And that is problem #1--such people will always follow which ever leader promises them that all will be better. Problem #2 is that Americans are the same, for the most part. They will follow whatever leader promises them safe pasture. In such nations, caught between fascism and socialism, the citizens are truly sheeple. Coming to the US, soon.
Greece; where pedophilia is considered a disablity and you can retire as early as age 45. You reap wat you sew.
this is insane to consider a crime of pedophilia a disability...
i thought u were just making this up and i did some research on this ...
really fucked up
i don't think u r correct tho about the age of retirement over there right now
Pedophilia is still a crime in Greece. And this happened during the technocrat Papademos government, not the Syriza government.Way to divert attention from the culprit to the victim.
thanks for the clarification on this
Greece's effective retirement age is higher than that of Germany. And in the UK, pedophilia is considered a parliamentary pastime.
http://www.voxeu.org/sites/default/files/image/FromAug2011/SaureFigure1.gif
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/07/a-big-polit...
An aspiring acolyte of zion.
The proof is in the links provided in the comments.
A letter to the ordinary kid, writing to the Financial Times,
Dear kid,
Look at Iceland,
Look at Greece's debt repayment schedule.
Make a future for your niece.
Reject debt slavery and enjoy the first vote in your lifetime that's not for a political party, but for an actual decision that matters..
Vote NO.
If it doesnt favour the rich, FT doesnt want to hear about it. Or print it
It will be an end. Let me share a few thoughts about it:
Face it, people: We are witnessing one of the greatest media-hypes in recent history. The greek referendum will decide not only Greece's fate, but that of the whole eurozone, and will affect the future of all of europe. That's the message to be drummed into us.
Of course that's nothing but baloney. The outcome doesn't matter the slightest bit, it's at best another milestone on the long way into a future which will be dominated by deteriorating social conditions, poverty and hunger.
Greek national debt amounts to roughly 320 billion Euro, more than 180 % of it's GDP, and would have to be settled until past 2050. The country is already broke, and kept "alive" forcibly. Why? Because a bancruptcy of the state would trigger the well known CDS, tear several international investment banks into the abyss and let the world financial system collapse.
The "institutions", i.e. the EU-commission, ECB and IMF, never intended to get the greece economy up and running. Their only goal from the outset has been to prevent the breakup of the global financial system. The forced administration of Greece by the "Troika" has let the culprits, namely investors, speculators and banksters, gotten away practically unharmed, while saddling the people, especially the weakest -poor, elderly and socially weak- with their burden.
It doesn't bother "the institutions" at all, if people suffering from cancer don't get medicine, if retirees despairingly commit suicide or lack of medical care lets infant mortality rise. Wolfgang Schaeuble, Christine Lagarde and Mario Draghi made unmistakably clear that they regard commitments to international lenders as far more important than human misery and social hardships.
The "Troika" already has a plan for greece's future, in which the outcome of the referendum doesn't matter a bit. If the greeks vot "yes", Tsipras and Varoufakis will be done. If they vote "no", it won't help Syriza either, because then they will be forced to accept much harsher terms, no matter what has been said until now. How do I know? Well, on the one hand, the "Troika" itself faces difficulties, because of their outstandings amounting to at least 250 billion Euro. On the other hand, the "Troika" has to assure that Greece gets lucrative for international investors again. Probably two measures will be taken to this end:
To get at least part of the money from the Emergenca Liquidity Assistance (ELA) back, roughly 100 billion Euro, which have been given as emergency relief without collateral or other securities, a bail-in will be conducted. Best regards from Cyprus.
A second currency beside the Euro will be introduced. It's monetary value will be half of the Euros at best, possibly much less. The spending capacity of the greek citizens will be at least cut in half. Many greek people will be forced to sell their last belongings. The exchange rate will secure that rich greeks change their Euros and, accompanied by international speculators, will browse the land for cheap investment opportunities.
It is not probable that this will happen without the use of force. That's why it is highly probable, that force will be used, namely by employing police and the military. Think of egypt, and you get an impression. The threat of the military taking over the country is quite real. It would ax all social resistances and, just like it did in 1974 for the last time, establish a dictatorship, of course with massive help from the international financial industry.
Anyone still thinking the referendum matters?!
Thanks BW, a good summing up.
And yes, the military may have to step in but they probably should have done so with G_PAP, about 3 to 4 years back, and this would already be over, and the past years of pain would have actually been part of a more worthwhile resolution.
However, you can not take credit and use it to obtain real resources, and then not repay, and not get slammed for doing that, as in the end, some one making stuff will have to pay for those real resources you've accessed, and be paid in equal trade value, or else the trade stops, and the access to real resources stops too.
And I suspect Greece is going to get a withering lesson about doing that to the people who gave the credit and the real resources they have reneged on. It doesn't matter at this point that they can't pay it back, they never should have got into that debt, in the first place, and there is no getting around that.
When you obtain real resources you do have to pay someone, otherwise it's stealing, and Greece has been using credit to steal real resources from everyone, with no intent of paying, thus undermining the whole mechanism of trading real resources (but then again, so have many, if not most other countries as well, so not like greece is unique, just one among a long list of worst offenders).
So the system is kaput, we will all pay for that.
But I am not going to weep over it and blame people. I am not going to blame the greeks or the Germans, or anyone else (OK, I'll blame the IMF, as they really are useless psychopathic arseholes that should be in a hole in the ground).
We are all going to go through this, and we have all been stealing real resources, via unaffordable credit growth, to pay the providers of those real resources, and our credit is about run out.
Yes, to hell with paying the banks, because it was they who willingly let it get so horrendously bad. But as MISH has been saying for years, "Debts that can not be repaid, will not be repaid.", and that has never ceased being true, at any stage, and we have all known it, all along.
This is hardly a surprise to anyone, now is it?
And at the moment, that includes just about everyone, as they have all been using credit to steal the real-resources of trade. And trade in real resources can not continue like that, it simply can't. The market economy will not work like that to provide those resources viably.
No one can deliver traded goods and real resources into such a credit/debt abomination, when the credit stops.
It didn't quite happen in 2008, but it is going to happen without a menchanism that eliminates the debt. So we are going to all be paying for that unaffordable credit based theft, with a lot less of what we need, or at least, want.
Greece is just a signpost on the way there, and was denied in every way possible, since March 2010.
The one good thing Greece is doing, is it's forcing us out of that denial, about all of us stealing real resources, via unaffordable credit accrual.
Thanks for your provocative candor and views.
Watch the CDS market. That is where I believe the real risk is. Remember that many naked CDS contracts have probably been written as Greece is actually a good financial gambling scenario. In their favor are those who believe/d that the central planners would always make a new deal with Greece, one that Greece would actually do. Only the skeptics and those with guts bet against that.It is why markets continually went up with bad news against all traditional financial training. Bad news equalled intervention and that is the only thing that has driven markets. If those bets and confidences go south, all hell will break loose.
I am not sure at exactly what point the CDS payout is triggered but you know a whole lot of people at places like Morgan and Sachs are changing their underwear right now. At the point of default they will both make payouts they probably cannot afford and take possession of the underlying bonds to begin recovery selling them at huge discounts as best they can.
Personally, if I were a conniving ex KGB Colonel and head of the Russian state or Chinese state I would carefully watch for opportunities...not for Greece which is not worth much, but to take control of the financial reigns of Europe.
Drama queen....
BTFD and get on with it.
Agree, 21 years old with her whole life ahead of her.
NEWS FLASH: Welcome to the real world - life is rough all over.
Pick up your fucking skirt and grab yer balls, and go forward!
Will the fate of the Greeks be provided by elaborate FRAUD?
I see some parallels in Greece today with the 1936 Spanish Civil War.
That didn't end too well. I fear that a dictatorship in Greece will be the final outcome one way or the other given the huge split between people.
There is one thing virtually absent from debate in this huge Greek crises -- at least absent from any media reporting -- that is holding to account the political elites who are more responsible for creating this crises than any other group of people. They have betrayed their trust and robbed the treasury.
A vital part of any solution must be to hold the criminal political elites to account for their reckless conduct and this should apply whoever wins the referendum.
. They say that all we hear is propaganda; but we have lost our trust in all sides, now everything seems to be lies.
Welcome to Europe, and modern politics...
Welcome to the USSA...
This is what a country collapse look like after decade of goverment overspending.
Hint: We live above our means since decade the bills are here...
Hint2: Coming to a country near you.
Government overspending.....yeah, coming to a country REALLY near you...
Hint: look out your window.
Hint: I do, and preparing myself to the coming collapse.
And now presenting... Someone with no perspective.
All I wanted was a Pepsi.
..and Angela wouldn't give it to me
The technocrats will never let Greece default by referendum (they already defaulted and thus "referendum" is fixed political theater). They will be debt slaves until the whole Eurozone blows up, whenever that is. Vote will be fixed "yes". Credit Default swaps can never be triggered. Stocks to new highs on euphoria and hope that "yes" "fixes" Greece. On to the next political theater or false flag in the news cycle.
hail to syriza for this call of some kind of decision and for creating the public mindset around it.
f technical bureaucrats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg1sT4ILG0w
Hey...at least they get to vote on it...our Muslim in Chief screws us without so much as any regard for public desires...let alone a vote.
@ Thessaloniki,
You are nothing but a damned COWARD. You are a disgrace to your ancestors and I should hope your family shuns you from this day forward. You Greeks who are even thinking about a yes vote are no different than a dog that has been left in the cage so long it dares not come out even when the door is opened....
People like you make me sick.
I mean really? The screwes get tightened for one week and you guys are crying like a bunch of little bit$%es. Don't claim this week is killing anyone. You have not enough food in your house for a week? Do you idiots really need to fill up your tanks each week? Especially when most jobs are closed so you are not driving to work? And you cry poor poor pitiful me.....you should be shot right between the eyes and tossed in the nearest landfill.