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"The US Needs War Every 4 Years To Maintain Economic Growth"

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"This is not a secret," explains Kris Roman, director of geopolitical research center Euro-Rus, "The whole [US] economy is built on the military theme: to maintain its economic growth, the United States needs a war every 4 years, otherwise the economic growth slows down." The Belgian expert believes that with the collapse of the USSR, NATO should have stopped existing, but somehow the alliance "has grown to the size of the Universe because the motto 'The Russians are coming!' is relevant again."

In the 25 years since the collapse of the Soviet Union, NATO has not forgotten even for a moment about the idea of an attack on Russia, Belgian political scientist and director of geopolitical research center Euro-Rus Kris Roman tells Sputnik News...

"But they had no pretext. Now, due to the chaos in Ukraine, this opportunity appeared and it is actively developed. The older generation, which had been brought up on the propaganda against the Soviet Union, has already accepted the idea of ??an inevitable conflict with Russia," Roman said.

 

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Roman said that when the Belgian defense minister had announced that 1,000 Belgian soldiers would be sent to the Baltic states in the event of a "potential Russian attack."

The United States has repeatedly criticized Europe for small contributions to the NATO budget, saying that the EU tries to save money at the expense of its military budget.

"For America, this is unacceptable, because the whole economy of this country is built on the military theme — to maintain its economic growth, the United States needs a war every 4 years, otherwise the economic growth slows down, it's not a secret. But the United States cannot fight alone, they need puppet-allies, but NATO members, which are suffering a crisis, cannot increase the budget allocations to the military budget, so Europe is under pressure," Kris Roman said.

Russophobia Reminds a Disease

The Belgian expert noted that Russophobia is like a disease as "once infected, you become incurable."

 

The European analyst also commented on the information war aimed against Russia noting that it had been previously used with regard to Iraq and Libya.

 

"It is no longer possible to lie and not be punished. Our media simply prefers to remain silent in order not to be caught lying. What they can say? That the Russians were right? That the Russian army is not there [fighting in Donbass], while the Ukrainian army is at war with its own people? They cannot say such things. The official motto is to blame Russia."

 

"Remember the downed Malaysian Boeing [MH17 that crashed near Donetsk in July 2014]? Our media began screaming that it is Russia's fault when it was still falling. Now there are facts that the Russians did not do it, and, as a result, we no longer hear about the investigation. Silence says that the truth is not on the side of Belgian and European media. If they ever had something [regarding Russia's involvement in the crash], they would have shouted it from morning to evening," he concluded.

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As Americans rest and celebrate their independence from the actions of an oppressively taxing monarchy, perhaps it is worth reflecting on the current oligarchy's actions, reactions, and proactions.

 

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Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:22 | 6270454 CaptainAmerika
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...it is surely time to Pray for an End to Faith http://vimeo.com/philiac/prayforanendtofaith

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:30 | 6270472 Citxmech
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"to maintain its economic growth, the United States needs a war every 4 years,"

Is this just "war" generally, or a NEW war every 4 years - because we've had more than one going for decades now and I'm still not seeing any growth. . . 

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:44 | 6270513 Boris Alatovkrap
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Happy you are July 4, Amerika!

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 03:31 | 6271063 wee-weed up
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Moar woar, bitches!

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 06:59 | 6271171 GrowerJohn
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It's a great time to get started in permaculture!

http://naturecoastpermaculture.com/permaculture-design-service/

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 07:52 | 6271216 Squid-puppets a...
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reduce that 4 year timeframe by 1 year for each 1% rate rise

normalised rates = permawar

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 08:03 | 6271231 BlowsAgainstthe...
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Here's one way of looking at it . . . total government military expenditures + veterans benefits as a percentage of GDP.

 

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1oaN

 

 

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:56 | 6270551 Anusocracy
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The problem with all forms of government is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 23:19 | 6270771 Usurious
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"The US Needs War Every 4 Years To Maintain Economic Growth"

wrong.........the debt must grow.........if the american people do not borrow, the GOV will borrow on your behalf............trav7777

 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 05:09 | 6271115 dreadnaught
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even the Pentagon

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 23:11 | 6270749 Antifaschistische
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taxing people, to give to the defense complex, so they can blow stuff up does not create real growth.   it just depends on how you measure growth.  You could say the same thing for any government program..

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 02:00 | 6270988 IronForge
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This 4 Years' requirement regression-maps well for the Dubya/Obama Timeline; but did the Author address the "Peace Dividend" presided by Clinton? 

IIRC, he raised the Top Tax Rate by a few points; and ended up with a few Budget Surplus Years - which was eventually destroyed by FTAs(Clinton signed the first one) and the "Long War for Empire" Run by Dubya, his Sith Lord, and PNAC Friends.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 04:07 | 6271088 TeethVillage88s
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Well seems to me that it is like the system of mordida/baksheesh where the guy that take the bribe also passed money to his boss a Corrupt Director. Except in the USA gifts are tailored to each government worker or to provide bonus or compensation to Private bankers that transfer to Federal Government Jobs... and must be some kind of Stipend or bonus for a Private banking Executive if he moves to the Federal Reserve... I mean it goes without saying:

We see this in US News.

Some kind of Severance for moving to Government or Federal Reserve Job.

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"In some Spanish-speaking countries, bribes are referred to as "mordida" (literally, "bite"). In Arab countries, bribes may be called baksheesh (a tip, gift, or gratuity) or "shay" (literally, "tea"). French-speaking countries often use the expressions "dessous-de-table" ("under-the-table" commissions), "pot-de-vin" (literally, "wine-pot"), or "commission occulte" ("secret commission" or "kickback"). While the last two expressions contain inherently a negative connotation, the expression "dessous-de-table" can be often understood as a commonly accepted business practice (for instance, on the occasion of a real estate transaction before the notary, a partial payment made between the buyer and seller; needless to say, this is a good way to launder money). In German, the common term is Schmiergeld ("smoothing money")."

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:27 | 6270460 Condition 1SQ
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Remind me again how a war is supposed to increase the US tax base?

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:29 | 6270468 Chuck Knoblauch
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QE spending on the black budget.

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:45 | 6270515 This is it
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Not enough wars! MOAR WAR!!

Lets see the banks monkey hammer that for size.

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:48 | 6270524 Boris Alatovkrap
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War is racquet!

Major General Smedley Kournokova

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:49 | 6270531 Boris Alatovkrap
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Oops, Boris is confusing of English homonym. Is mean to say,

War is very loud happening

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 01:17 | 6270934 Elliott Eldrich
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"War is very loud happening" - Boris Alatovkrap

"War is the health of the state." - Randolph Bourne

"War is the continuation of politics by other means." - Von Clausewitz

"War is peace" - George Orwell

"War, huh, good God y'all. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Say it again!" - Edwin Starr

"War is when people take their natural inclination to create new ways to destroy, and combine that with their natural inclination to come up with new ways to fuck over their fellow human beings. This is called progress." - Elliott Eldrich

Do you want an end to war for all time, forever? It's actually very easy to do. Just have a universal military draft, everyone gets a number, and the richer you and/or your family is, the higher your draft number is, so the richest of the rich are drafted into the military first, and they can't hire someone to take their place, they have to personally serve.

Bingo, instant world peace forever. Simple as that. The richest of the rich, who own and control this and all other empires, will never send themselves and their precious offspring off to fight and die for no good reason; that's for the poors.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 01:18 | 6270942 Fukushima Fricassee
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Must go with Edwin Starr

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 23:45 | 6270815 post turtle saver
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I'd like to know how the US economy is supposed to come to a screaming halt if there isn't a war every 4 years (ha!) when defense expenditure as a percent of US GDP is only 3.5%...

please stop posting raving gibberish from innumerate Belgians who have no fucking concept of economic scale...

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 03:50 | 6271072 Cast Iron Skillet
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turtle,you sure you are counting everything? I understand that "defence spending" is counted separately from the "cost of ongoing wars", which is separate from Homeland Security, which is separate from funding the NSA and other spies, which is separate from the amount spend on defense-related research, which is separate feom verteran's benefits and support, ... etc. So you have to add all these things together to get to the amount that is actually flows to military-related expeditures. I didn't do the numbers, but 3.5% for all of that seems a little low to me.

I don't think the claim was that the US economy would to come to a screaming halt, but that he U.S. economy requires war spending for growth, which could well be the case even if defence spending is only 3.5% of U.S. GDP.

And it seems to me that the post was from a numerate Belgian who completely grasps mind-bogglng economic scale, so your insult misses the mark.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 08:39 | 6271318 post turtle saver
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you can roll up all those numbers and then some and, at most, you'll get about 20-30% of _federal spending_... which as a percentage of US GDP that portion comes out to around 3.5% - these are 2014 numbers btw so it's not ancient data...

if I can look this up in about two minutes on line then a supposedly "numerate" Belgian should be able to as well... the fact that he didn't and made such a ridiculous statement tells me that he's being emotional, not rational, and is therefore innumerate in his argument...

many of the "US bad" propaganda puff pieces that get posted on this board are easily refuted with a modicum of research... fine, we get it, Yankee go home, but geez at least try to make a point that can't be shot down in an instant with a few keystrokes...

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:28 | 6271608 greenskeeper carl
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do we, or do we not, spend orders of magnitude more on our military than the next biggest spnder? do we, or do we not, have over 1000 bases in over 100 countries? Do we, or do we not, regularly kill people in undeclared wars al over the middle east. Have we, or have we not, senselessly invaded and occupied two different countries and toppled several more govts in the past 15 years? Do we, or do we not, spend hundreds of billions more on defense type items that arent part of the DOD "defense" budget just to spy on our own citizens and the citizens of other friendly countries?

 

I don't particularly care what % of GDP is, that kind of thing is just semantics as far as Im concerned. I care about the fact that its way too fucking much, and the above questions far more than the % of US GDP we spend

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:58 | 6271693 rwe2late
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post turtle saver

Pull your head out of its shell.

Ignoring the linkage s of Wall Street and War Street doesn't make the US less miltaristic.

The US "spends" more on its "warrior" military than the rest of the world combined.

As for the percentage of "GDP", don't just consider federal (state & local) spending.

Don't just count the direct spending on the arming, training, enforcing of the foreign and domestic "wars" on drugs, terror, and whatever.

Don't just add the bonuses, tax breaks, medical care from government.

Don't just add the amount SSI subsidizes PTSD and other vet disabilities?

 

The question is how much of the TOTAL economy is related to military/militarist activity.

How much of private business is dependent or participant in military activity?

From Halliburton to the oil cartel to the financial TBTFs to big AG etc..

How much are global markets, resources, petrodollar dependent on the military?

How much military equipment and services are purchased privately by foreign governments?

How much does the nation pay for the use of lands in domestic military activities of the various "wars". What about paying for the effects and costs of pollution caused by military activities and production?

And even in all this, the "GDP" ignores any "cost" of the "inventory" loss of human and natural resources from military activities (lost both domestic and foreign).

The global military is the world's biggest polluter and is exempted in all environmental treaties.

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:27 | 6270461 QE49er
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Murica!!

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:33 | 6270473 Chief Wonder Bread
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I have come to the conclusion that it's theater for the hyper-elite. When the bullets start flying, they will have found a place to watch and eat their popcorn (so they think).

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:34 | 6270482 i_call_you_my_base
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I remember thinking that at the time the Ukraine saga started that in the prior six months congress was talking about reducing military spending and relations with Russia appeared good.

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:42 | 6270509 q99x2
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I don't believe it. When there is no money its over.

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:54 | 6270544 daveO
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That's why Roberts said that the O'care penalty was a tax. They will keep inventing 'penalties' until they can't grab anymore cash. The insurance co's are raising rates(25+%), so I expect the crooks in CONgress will use that as cover to raise the penalty after BHO is replaced(maybe before). Meanwhile, they promise to abolish it altogether if their guy goes in. Yea, sure. They need that money to pay their bills. 

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:47 | 6270523 who cares
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Unfortunately more wars means more dollars and debt. That's why today the west is in recession: the debt is too high and military spending is detracting from expenditures that have a higher impact on growth. It is time that governements come to the conclusion that it is better to look for peace and disarmament than for new conflicts and wars.  

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 21:53 | 6270543 Jack Burton
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The USA maintains a war economy. Our spending is on a level that any nation engaged in a major national level war would have. It is a proven fact teh USA spends more on military, nuclear and intelligence than basically the entire developed world combined. Yet, to hear congress and the media talk, we have dissarmed and made ourselves vulnerable to a rampaging Russian army. This is the level of lunatic media reporting. The opposite is true, NATO has advanced right up to Russian borders, and NATo proxies have attacked Russian enclaves, like South Ossetia and Donbass.

The US economy no longer can support this level of military spending. It is for this reason 1/2 of the trillion dollar a year military spending must be borrowed. Money is printed and we buy our own debt in order to fund the military.

Jobs, millions of Americans work because they service the military. Millions work in the military. Millions work on cntracts for the military. It is true, without military spending, a wave of unemployment would sweep 20 million people away.

War is our way of life. Nobody can attack us. So we must go abroad and atack them, in order to have the wars we need.

Americans believe the world has a duty to obey Washington. If they refuse, we have a duty to attack and destroy them. That mentality is where we are at right now. Ukraine was created by a US coup, now we use it as the reason to go to war with Russia.

 

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 23:20 | 6270777 Nexus789
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The US may spend a lot but much of what is spent is non-fighting stuff. Supporting the infrastructure in terms of the bloated administration, costly bases, poor procurement practices and boondoggle projects. Whole blocks of assets – jets, ships, etc, are all aging at the same time. The current fighter jets (although upgraded) first flew in the early 80’s. A lot of ship hulls are nearly thirty years old and it is planned to keep some at sea for 50 years. The Aegis system is over three decades old. 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 01:55 | 6270804 r3phl0x
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We don't attack them - we make them safe for democracy and freedoms!

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 23:54 | 6270831 post turtle saver
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"Our spending is on a level that any nation engaged in a major national level war would have."

bull fucking shit... the rest of the world would shit their fucking drawers if the US ever decided to truly open the spigot to fund full on overt warfare... again, the US only spends 3.5% of its GDP on defense expenditures, yet that appears to be more than enough to get everyone's panties in a goddamned twist...

"The US economy no longer can support this level of military spending."

oh, please... give it a rest... what the US can't afford is fucking cradle-to-grave welfare, which the Euro and the rest of the world has attempted to fund on the back of the US' NATO military funding... I can guarantee you if Europe had to truly take on and spend for its own defense the socialist utopia experiments would stop real fucking quick...

how many times does it have to be said... it's "guns or butter", not "guns and butter"... you can't have both and, even if you could, only one could keep the other from being taken away from you and it sure as fuck isn't "butter"...

 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 04:07 | 6271089 Cast Iron Skillet
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The argument about whether too much is being spent on welfare or on warfare is a red herring designed to distract people from the truth.

The U.S. is spending way too much on BOTH welfare AND warfare. We are spending more than we can afford and driving our country more deeply into debt with each passing day.

We need to roll back defense spending to the minimum level required to defend our borders rather than that required to attempt to achieve global domination. We need to roll back welfare spending to the level required to care for the truly disabled among us, rather than that required to cure all aches.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 08:46 | 6271338 post turtle saver
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no, no it is not... the assertion being made is that the US needs a war every 4 years to maintain economic growth... by inspection this is easily refuted, as the expenditures required to maintain such a level of war footing vs. the overall size of the US economy demonstrates that US defense spending is _not_ the primary driver for economic growth in the US... what our Belgian friend has asserted is wrong and easily demonstrated as such with very simple research...

"millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute"... as for what minimum level is required to achieve that, I'd submit there isn't a single person posting in this thread that holds the level of expertise necessary to determine what that number is... if the choice is less vs. more, I say give me more... I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it...

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 04:47 | 6271101 petkovplamen
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very telling how you somehow fail to mention corporate welfare which has taken trillions out of the economy but rave against non existent cradle-to-grave welfare.

Where do you get 3.5% from, pray tell us? As if ANYTHING the government tells us is true. Been to the supermarket lately, seen the price of food? And how much did the gov say inflation was, remind us? 3.5% my eye.

Oh, and you forgot to mention the "Liberals" so your trolling won't count and you won't be getting paid, sorry. Make sure you do much better next time.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 01:01 | 6270918 Salah
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Jack, you don't know Jack-shit.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 03:45 | 6271071 TeethVillage88s
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Salah;

Start looking at the:

30 September 2014, Final Monthly Treasury Statement, Outlays and Revenues, Table 5.

Well for each year you can see what is spent and how the spending is Exponential.

Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2014 = $3.5 Trillion (B. Obama)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2012 = $3.54 Trillion (B. Obama)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2010 = $3.45 Trillion (B. Obama)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2008 = $2.98 Trillion (G.W. Bush)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2006 = $2.65 Trillion (G.W. Bush)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2004 = $2.29 Trillion (G.W. Bush)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2002 = $2.01 Trillion (B. Clinton)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2000 = $1.79 Trillion (B. Clinton)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 1998 = $1.65 Trillion (B. Clinton)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 1997 = $1.6 Trillion (B. Clinton)

$Trillion Debt Added

J. Carter, ,$0.37 T (4 yrs)
R. Reagan, $1.69 T
G. H Bush, $1.4 T (4 yrs)
W. Clinton, $1.627 T
G. W. Bush, $4.357 T
B. Obama, $6.365 T (4 yrs)
B. Obama, $8 T (6 yrs est.)

J. Carter was doing good, Brah. Pull your ideological head out of your ass.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 08:48 | 6271330 headhunt
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The explosion in debt is supporting the government unions and pensions, the exploding welfare state and the exploding illegal alien state.

Look at those actual numbers and you will find the military expense is dwarfed by the welfare (citizen and non-citizen), government, union state.

The leftist media is in fact brainwashing you - military bad, leftist policy good.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:17 | 6271400 Hope Copy
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THUMBS-UP!!

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 05:08 | 6271114 dreadnaught
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and yet, he STILL knows tons more than you, insect!

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 03:52 | 6271077 Cast Iron Skillet
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exactly.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 06:41 | 6271159 HowdyDoody
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"Nobody can attack us"

Nobody want to attack us (excluding false flag attacks by the enemy within). Why bother when the US is doing such a good job of destroying itself?

 

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 22:06 | 6270576 At120
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Makes sense. The only thing the US exports, outside of food, is weapons. We've long since outsourced all our other manufacturing to the far East.

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 22:07 | 6270580 rejected
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"As Americans rest and celebrate their independence from the actions of an oppressively taxing monarchy,"

Only to end up enslaved by an oppressive taxing fascist Cleptocracy.

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 22:14 | 6270597 ajkreider
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News source is Euro Rus interview with Sputnik news? Oh my how ZH has fallen. I'll just go to RT to avoid the middle man.

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 22:31 | 6270656 Cannon Fodder
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Wasn't that the premise to the book, "The Report from Iron Mountain"?

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 22:39 | 6270683 Super Hans
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The U.S. entry into WWII is the only reason the U.S. exited their economic depression, that is a fact.

 

SH

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 23:13 | 6270755 Nexus789
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Next global war will end everything. 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 07:37 | 6271203 msmith9962
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I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
Albert Einstein
No it won't there will still be people to fight with sticks and stones.
Sun, 07/05/2015 - 08:33 | 6271306 headhunt
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That actually is not factual.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 08:52 | 6271350 post turtle saver
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agreed, yet another assertion easily refuted with simple research... the fifth column is out in force today, I see...

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 23:13 | 6270751 Nexus789
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The US economy is in terminal decline. It has lost its capacity to create value. The defence sector is parasitic and requires more and more debt to stand still. The sale of weapons is a minor offset to this but the eventual outcome will be collapse. The half enlightened half-wits of Washington traded their national wealth creating capacity for a few extra cents in the Dollar profit for US transnationals. The by-product is they have created a rival economic and military power. Their flawed model seems to be one where US translation corporations via ‘free trade’ agreements would enable the empire to continue exert its influence.  The TTIP, TPP, TiSA seem to be the last desperate gasp of failing empire. Too bad a rival trading block is emerging. 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 08:32 | 6271303 headhunt
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You need to understand, while war is not good for the USA it is not what is bankrupting the country, morally and financially.The war machine and its expense is a small percentage of the actual money spent.

It is leftist politics and their policies which are destroying our country from within. A country cannot create a welfare population and a 'special' government and union class of people with special pensions and healthcare and survive. Not only is the USA paying people to do nothing but we are now paying a quarter of Mexico to do nothing - all paid for from the paycheck of working citizens.

Fuck leftists in all their flavors.

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 23:17 | 6270765 Money Boo Boo
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Oligarchs make the most amount of free money during Woar! Ask Dick"fucked you in the ass for the 100th time bitchez" Cheney.

Sat, 07/04/2015 - 23:28 | 6270786 FreedomGuy
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This is a dumb idea. Yeah, Raytheon likes missile purchases but the economics do not work. The defense budget is about 6% of total expenditures and will not balance the deficits even if zero. At zero you have a lot of new problems.

The social programs under most any scenario you like are what is going to break the piggy bank. The dead weight loss and economic drag of an enormous government will choke GDP (which is a lousy measurement anyway). Leftist governments will kill themselves. What is Venezuela's and Greece's defencse outlay? There is no toilet paper in Caracas. Is it because they have too many destroyers or their lousy government?

The first, most prominent and priority function of government is to protect person, property and civil rights. Defense is one of those. You can argue about fighting in the Middle East or Vietnam or even the World Wars as policy but defense budgets are not what is dragging us down, now or the future.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 08:18 | 6271267 headhunt
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All true - the leftist are and have always been the destroyers of whole economies and by proxy countries and when their economic genius does not work their only option, in their minds, is to pick a demon and kill them all.

It is just what leftists do, they always circle back to their favorite past time - mass murder.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:28 | 6271436 Hope Copy
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TOILET PAPER..  Yes the toilet paper agrument.  I remember when taking the boat across (and then the first jets, 707s) the toilet paper.  In Europe, you could write on their toilet paper with a #2 pencil easily and it stayed that way into the 1970's in most public places.  I guess it kept the use down and the plumber employed.

I haven't been to Europe for quite some time, but when shopping I still look for the older European toilet paper..  Now do you want to talk about bathing habits?  [The New California...]

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 01:03 | 6270879 newsoutlet
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"The Belgian expert" and what makes him an expert? Because he is paid by putin regim propaganda machine to create propaganda materials to discredit US, EU? That makes him a troll not an expert?

 

 

The Kremlin is undoubtedly engaged in a multi-front, multi-message, multi-media campaign to undermine the will and unity of the West. Everything from the pre-eminence given tin-hatted conspiracy theorists and deservedly unknown, self-proclaimed "analysts" on RT through to the efforts to demonize figures such as State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki, speak to this. But this is primarily a negative campaign. If anything, opinion polls show dwindling trust in and goodwill toward Russia. Pew Research Center surveys, for example, found that between 2013 and 2014, not a single region of the world showed improving perspectives, while negative views of Russia in Europe rose from 54 to 74 percent.

 

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/west-is-too-paranoid-about...

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 01:20 | 6270947 Max Steel
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such an awful logic you have imbibed :if someone exposes ussa warcrimes andhypocrisy they become pootin paid regime bots . Does it take that much effort to be a moron ?

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 03:52 | 6271076 Ginsengbull
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Does it take that much effort to get your panties in a knot everytime somebody talks about your pootie?

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 05:06 | 6271112 dreadnaught
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, no NewsOutlet has been voted #1 Moron on ZH for 6 months running!  lol!

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 08:53 | 6271353 post turtle saver
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but, thanks to you, a challenger appears <g>

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:20 | 6271796 newsoutlet
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Only those who lies in favor of putin regime propaganda agenda.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 00:54 | 6270886 newsoutlet
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Some russia wars

Georgia 1993 https://youtu.be/CsNlc0iKK7Y
Chechnya 1999 https://youtu.be/ktFliL1v6Hk
Chechnya 2005 https://youtu.be/hyJzGHIsqBk
Georgia 2008 https://youtu.be/b0MsDz3CekQ
Ukraine 2014 - now https://youtu.be/OJ3EVG1Czkw

BTW

Russia rejects calls for UN tribunal to prosecute MH17 suspects
Deputy foreign minister Gennady Gatilov says proposal backed by Netherlands and Malaysia is counterproductive and hasty

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/26/russia-rejects-calls-for-un...

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 01:25 | 6270955 krage_man
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those are not wars started by Russia

 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 06:48 | 6271161 HowdyDoody
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The Chechens were funded by US, trained in Turkey, with Turkey / Georgia a conduit for arms supplies. Georgia was started by Sakaashvili, with tacit US prompting. Ukraine was pushed into civil war by US intent. Sakass is now in charge of south west Ukraine, hoping to start a war with Transnistria where there are Russian peace keepers.

 

 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:26 | 6271820 newsoutlet
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Here are russia "peace keepers" who shot families in Chechnya:

https://youtu.be/ktFliL1v6Hk

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 14:27 | 6272819 silverer
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Have you contributed yet to the fund for plastic surgery for the little girl who had her face blown off by a Hellfire missile?  By the way, that's a US built weapon, in case you didn't do your research.  Check it out.  Honestly.  Not Russian.  Really.  No fooling.  Not propaganda.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:24 | 6271813 newsoutlet
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That is what putin regime troll would say.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 05:04 | 6271111 dreadnaught
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Newsoutlet is actually from Israel and is pure propaganda=even worse than Russias!

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 08:12 | 6271246 headhunt
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There are many Putin lovers on ZH, they would french kiss him given the opportunity.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 14:23 | 6272801 silverer
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Not necessarily in agreement with Mr. Putin, just respect for a world leader who acts like one, and follows international law and respects treaties.  Not like some other chicken shit outfits I'm watching out there.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 14:21 | 6272784 silverer
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A UN tribunal is nothing more than a kangaroo court.  Think about this:  Russia invaded China to throw out the Japanese during WWII.  Millions of Red Army soldiers.  What happened when the Japanese were driven out?  Well, the Russians LEFT.  No bases, no forces.  How about Afghanistan?  Lots of Russians still there, bases and military, right?  Well, no.  Not that I'm aware of.  How about WWII, Germany.  Russia had possession of East Germany, and East Berlin.  Where are the Russians now?  They left.  Not there.  How many Russian bases in Germany?  How about the Americans?  Any bases in Germany?  Hmm.  How about the middle east?  Hmm...  In fact, Google "Russian military bases".  Find the picture of the world, showing the locations of all Russian bases.  Then Google "US military bases".  Do you see much of a difference?  Because if you don't, you probably died yesterday.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 01:35 | 6270970 JailBanksters
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Simple formulae really

People throughout the World must die, so a few Americans can live high on the hog.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 01:50 | 6270981 MaxThrust
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Elliot Eldrich

Your post is right on the money. Send the rich first. THE END OF WAR.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 03:51 | 6271075 TeraByte
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Sun, 07/05/2015 - 03:59 | 6271084 biggestbrother
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The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia, but to keep the very structure of society intact.
George Orwell
Sun, 07/05/2015 - 05:03 | 6271109 dreadnaught
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Bazactly-to waste and rebuild resources over and over again, forever: Tanks Bombs Jets-that once built, never enter the economy again, unlike say a house would

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 06:24 | 6271153 juicy_bananas
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Buy three wars and your next one's free!

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 07:44 | 6271211 silverer
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NATO won't be happy until there's about 1,500 mushroom clouds rising up over a dozen or so countries.  Somehow, the world will be a better place, they think.  Boy, college education can really accomplish a lot in these think tanks.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 07:54 | 6271221 22winmag
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I read somewhere that 96% of NATO hardware in American.

 

America is NATO, along with a bunch of sad, defeated groupies.

 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 08:15 | 6271256 sudzee
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A no vote in Greece will be akin to the humiliating defeat in the war of 1812. A few Brits, a couple indians and a couple hundred locals kicked US butt and sent them home in horror.

A no vote today will be the beginning of isolation of US influence in Europe and a pivot to Russia and China. Truth will find a way.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:10 | 6271380 Hope Copy
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From what I've seen, WAR is NOT   CHEAP  enough or EFFICENT.  AI in robotic forms will do away with the MADNESS and restrict those that have the funds or wherabouts to promote such..

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:17 | 6271399 RiverRoad
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QE War to infinity......whatever does it.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 09:25 | 6271423 falak pema
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A nation that needs to hate the other becomes its own Nemesis. 

No wonder that they now try and impose "no hate" on the people as THEY themselves are the worst proponents of the HATE MACHINE.

Totally Machiavellian reasoning that; tell people that they must not do what YOU DO as OLIGARCHS ALL THE TIME. The Laws apply to them, not to us !

The mad King; incensed by his advisors who cautioned his hubristic knee-jerks and who secretly mocked his paranoid decisions; decided to blind his advisors in his rage; only to mock them afterwards for being blind and not capable of seeing the cause of subsequent events. "Where are you my wise ones to advise me now? You do not deserve the title of the "wise ones".

Thats what despotism is: the mad leading the blinded! And the Laws reflecting that mindset.

 

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 10:13 | 6271557 MasterControl
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When you run under keynesian economics, yup.

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:20 | 6271799 dsty
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pffffffffft

so if we stop spending money on weapons

the good guys will take over?

Praise ALAH!

Praise MAO!

Sun, 07/05/2015 - 11:40 | 6271912 BI2
Sun, 07/05/2015 - 12:10 | 6272043 dsty
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ZH needs to start a fight every 4 minutes.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 01:51 | 6275258 onmail
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A World War is required to make the huge QE money TRICKLE DOWN.

In other words , World War is required to run the economy of SATAN AMERICA

Or USA needs killing of many millions of people so that its economy grows.

THIS TIME IT WILL BE A NUCLEAR WORLD WAR

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The Pentagon is shaped as the inner part of a Kaballah Star

A star used for sacrificing people & harvesting their souls

It is a star of cabal rites , to fulfill their wishes (of getting richer)

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But when there will be no one left after the nuclear war,

who will enjoy the money, THINK

 

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