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Official Greferendum Results Show "No" Landslide: Singular Logic Projects "Oxi" Victory
Update: The Greek interior ministry vendor Singular Logic projects that “No” vote will prevail with over 61% of vote in Greek referendum.
BREAKING: Greek interior ministry projection says 'no' camp will get more than 61 percent of vote.
— The Associated Press (@AP) July 5, 2015
It would seem that the Troika's fearmongering campaign backfired:
And:
Even the dogs in the streets are saying it in Athens: ht @henryjfoy pic.twitter.com/7y5uTdJFzf
— Gideon Rachman (@gideonrachman) July 5, 2015
Earlier:
It seems the early forecasts showing the No vote in the lead were right: according to the Ministry of the Interior, with over 31% of the vote counted, the "No's" have a resounding lead with well over 60% of the vote.
Keep track of the votes as they come in live at the following page:
Source: ekloges
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i wrote : i predict a yes instant unlock banking for a 60-40%
i did not write greeks will vote XXX or YYY.... sorry man, i just said what i said, your conclusions are yours.
in anothers words, to be clearer, if they voted yes today, bank would have open tomorrow, this is what i wrote. :)
anyway the problem is not what i wrote or what you understood, it is about a population who have the potential to break the system and possibly have consequences up to not be able to buy a single beer, for you, or for me, and this... is a way more serious, beer speaking (lol)
It was a NO...welch.
There will be no "instant bank unlock"
Do not welch.
I will be on these pages hounding your ass until time expires.
So, do banks open in Greece for the entire upcoming week?
A drachma for any thoughts.
Drachma~ula returns.....insert evil laugh
The "close" 50/50 vote was all bullshit brought to you by fear mongering overloard oligarchs. Every society has them, beware.
true enough: it worked like a charm on the Scots
That'll happen regardless of who gets elected. Jeez . . . where have you been.
Jack, by the time the general election rolls around, Diebold will already have finished its work during the primaries of each party. The establishment works much harder to get their "man" through the primary season. Thus we end up with Bush v Clinton. That vote doesn't matter. It's just making sure no gadflies like Sanders or Trump make it through.
Thamnosma, another example of a gadfly, a true patriot to our constitution, Dr. Ron Paul, executed by the media. Yes, once again, our choices will be from one of the royal families.
Stupid sheep.
Yea her Muslim Brotherhood girlfriend Huma is mossad. If she is for israel they need a tighter collar there dumbass.
The "Clinton" bitch ain't gonna make it. Even the statists can't ignore the fact that she is a fucking criminal.
PIIGS out of EU...
..what is the exposure to all that debt being written off ?
How much debt do they carry that will be written off ?
Anybody know the number ?
scotus will over-turn this in an emergency session
No, they are busy working on requirements for transgender toilets under Obamacare
Are you saying urinals are transgenderist? The horror.
I love it!
The men's, the women's, and...
Other
It must happen! Otherwise, someone will be "offended"! Can't have that...
Headline Monday: EU markets collapse, fairies and unicorns hardest hit......
Greece alone wipes out the equity of the ECB.
After that it's just more to laugh about.
..and a healthy dent into the IMF.
No wonder Lagarde is playing with the report.
Derivitives are the killer and most EU banks are holding tens of trillions in bad bets. Let's see Draghi print his way out of this.....
Don't worry, Draghi's been stroking his . . . printer . . . all week-end. The moneyshot will be on time/target!
Debt? What is debt. It doesn't exist. It's usury printed out of thin air to The Global Crimjnal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate.
Can be.
"Do not default to dollars" appears to be one lesson here..
PIGS without Italy looks like € 1.5 trillion debt written off !
That can't be right ?
http://www.eudebtclock.org/
Yes!!!
PIIGS out of the EU.
Collapse the entire Global Economy. I agree.
Global Derivatives Market Meltdown and Credit Freeze II. We ar deep inside of the abyss now, past the Event Horizon with no chance of escape.
Right on. The Death and Destruction Debt paradigm, that FRAUDULENT AND CORRUPTED paradigm, is looking directly at its own destruction.
I can hardly wait for the cascading Bank Defaults due to insolvencies caused by the previous purchase of that Greek Debt. Every single Bank that owns a substantial amount of Greek Debt is TECHNICALLY INSOLVENT due to Fractional Banking reserve requirements.
Now when we compound that problem with Spain, Portugal, and then the keystone Italy, if it can last that long anyway, then it will ENSURE the destruction of ALL BANKS.
You will lose everything that you think that you own, Mark Urbo. EVERYTHING.
And you deserve it as you are so shallow.
No Tom - Just the EU POS socialist bankers getting what they deserve...
..for their power grabs and policy mistakes.
Next up - All the Global (AGW) Warming watermelon socialist alarmist thugs with their false regilion being burned at the stake for their misdeeds.
I misread you. So sorry.
Damn this is a great day.
That entire system needs to burn in hell.
What a "coincidence" Same day the Iranian deal gets done.
http://theiranproject.com/blog/2015/07/05/iran-p51-have-agreed-on-nuclea...
The vampires are bringing it all down now.
with all its heart, Likud and its 5th Column in America and the UK and France do not want any deal with Iran.
Israel will settle for nothing less than regime change couple with wide-spread destruction.
Ergo that is what Israel's agents and spies are buying when they buy the US .gov.
pretty fast junk.
I smell a Hasbara Lurker Troll.
Looks like he got you too
that is the delimma, isn't it?
either those derivative bets will be paid or... if they don't pay them then the banks have no money anyway....
everything freezes because nobody trusts the other one anyway.... wheeeeee!
buckle up....
Don't know how many are aware of it but here in CH as well all ballots are paper. X in the box of your choice and Bob's yer uncle... "If it ain't broke..."
Nice one Syriza. Congratulations.
Believe me - Today is a great celebration for the honest people in the world! Most of the people living around the world today genuinely happy this victory!
It's not just the victory of the Greeks. It is a victory of direct democracy, as a true people's power, over the forces of evil, the forces of falsehood and fascism!
Diebold don't be giving a shit!
I don't believe it, wait until they count the black precincts.
Pireus doesn't count.
Saw a few there, half chats.
No votes are majority in EVERY city.
Socialists of SYRIZA have done it. They have taught the crony capitalists of Europe what happens when people are united. Where are those people claiming that Varoufakis and Tsipras are bought by bankers. that SYriza is just another banker conspiracy and they will sell their people?
Have you got any face to still say anything?
Well, this is just the opening act.. give Germany 2 or 3 months to build enough Europanzers..
Have the votes from Detroit, St. Louis, Phildelphia and Chicago been counted?
I heard that Socrates, Plato and Leonidas I all voted Yes.
Oxi BITCHEZZ!!!
400% turnout!
Damn those plexiglass voting boxes and enveloped paper ballots.
Count them in SPAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DA DA DA !!!!! SHI SHI SHI!!!! (SHIT!!! in English)
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you in Barcelona, Rome, and Paris
YA BASTARDS
From The Producers...
And now it's...
Shit time for Merkel and Germaneee
Deutschland is going to pay!
Martin Schulz, Jean Claude Juncker, Mario Draghi; your boys took a hell of a beating!!
The post above is for English and Norwegian Football fans. Probably a bit obscure for those over the pond.
Ironic that now the EU will be forced to try to make Greece suffer . . . so that the PIGS dont immediately rush out of the EU. This is the bottom for Greece. Things will soon get better. China/Russia will bid something within the week. A courageous step for the Greeks.
I still think it will be yes. It would be just like them to rig the vote.
Nahhhhhhhh.......these guys would NEVER do anything dishonest
Isnt it Ireland which was forced to vote three times on whether they wanted to join the EU until they finally got exhausted and found out that "no" was not an option?
Recount! Russians, Syrians and Isis interfered...and EBOLA...missing flight!
well is it on live tv as I do not have cable? Next question is, if on tv, who are the sponsors?
yah, what's up with the 5+% bogus vote...how could you possible have a no vote on a binary selection option!
They'll wait until they count all the votes before they determine which way that 5% will go?
Dupe
There are two voting papers - one for the yes or no, and the other is a blank sheet for an abstain vote. The invalid votes are presumably ones where the vote mark isn't correct or the voter has written on the paper.
Interestingly, NO leads in all electoral districts, rural and urban, island and mainland.
Looks like someone over @ Diebold fucked up and got the two options mixed up.
The age breakdown:
18-34: 67%
35-55: 49%
55+: 37%
https://twitter.com/ManosGiakoumis/status/617733208495497216
This generational gap is what underpins today's election result in Greece. Youth unemployment in this country has grown to over 50%. Yes, over 50% of Greeks between the age of 18 and 27 are unable to find a job.
Yes for pensions
No for jobs
The old don't believe in themselves - they have given up - even when they should know the EU would prefer to have them Dead immediately
So they hold out for the 2% chance someone in Brussels will have pity on them - long term - very very sick
Greeks aged are in deep fear. The EU dream promised them large and early pensions. This is part of the Greek problem. Once in the EU, all pensions were jacked up and early pensions became a right. Haridressers could retire on state pensions at 50.
I accept that, the aged being in fear, then...if you voted no, and you have aged parents and grand parents...then it's time for you to step up to that plate too. This is what family and tribes have done for thousands of years....taken care of each other. Only in modern western culture has this notion broken down. For the 50 year old hair dressers who retired....get out your scissors and go back to work to help support your parents...you are not "aged".
I am old in America but I am still working because instead of buying a bubble house I started a Mom n Pop 12 yrs ago.
Something to be said for independence vs dependance.
sorry for the old Greeks, truly.
It's amazing that most of the over-55 Greeks are retired, 50% of the 25-and-under group is unemployed, and a huge portion of the rest have government jobs.
There just aren't many private sector jobs in Greece. They have a highly educated workforce, too (free college education).
+100 Excellent break down! I predicted the Old people whould vote on fear that a NO vote would see their pensions pulled out from under them. Once old, fear drives a person to fear change. In Scotland, the independence vote was a clear YES, until the old people weighed in and buried the idea. Once again, of the fears that they would have their pensions pulled out from under them.
Old fear will drive American politics now. The large Baby Boom is entering retirement. They will vote for whom ever offers, no change, no hope, no opportunity, they simply want their pensions paid, and that is all.
Yup. Sacrificing for the children is nothing more than motherhood and apple pie speak, talking points for polite dinner conversation.
But when the chips are down, the elders have shown their willingness to throw their children under the bus and sacrifice their future.
It won't be any different in other countries.
I think the 55+ yes votes would be far greater here in the US. We have probably the most self-entitled generations beginning to retire. All public sector pensions should be on the table. Getting fucked out of your promised pension should hurt. It's the price we pay for living in a fantasy, and having really shifty leaders.
Yes it should. Just don't tell that to all of the police, firemen, and other government employees who have been retiring for years now at the ripe old age of 50 with $100,000+ taxpayer-guaranteed pensions.
+100
When the USSR imploded, the pensioners got destroyed. When Obola was installed - I knew the USSA was headed for the same fate. cops and federal govt workers pensions will probably be paid. Military pensions will be cut.
My guess is a Greek airliner will be "shot down" by the Russians and "evil" Putin by the end of the day.
Being American, they want their pensions increased and their 401ks pumped foreverz, everything else be damned.
Pensions are the biggest financial scam of all. They are designed,and repeatedly redesigned not to pay out.
Yeah baby!!!
Bulls, this is gonna sting a little
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoMgnJDXd3k
Hmmm would be funny if it would exactly the same as goldman sachs reported.
Fantastic. Good for them. If you're sinking drop the rock your holding.
wrong spot
yes!!
Gyros or schnitzel? Schnitzel or gyros? Lunch, always a tough decision...
say yes to no
against terrorism, closed banks, controled media and threats from all over The euro elit. We voted NO people. Now you can say we are all Greeks .
Greetings from Thessaloniki Gr
Stay vigilant. Non-Fuckheads of the world are with you.
The Banking powers of the EU first got the Greek debt put onto Public Balance sheets to save the bankers. Now the EU nations are in deep trouble if the payments stop arriving. One American economist sees the solution to run Greek debt out into 75 year bonds. Imagine the interest over 75 years! A child born today in Greece could easily die long before the present debt is anywhere near paid off! That is how insane this is!
Cheers, Carl! Take your future back from the banksters, politicians, and useless eaters.
Congratulations.
Stay vigilant, because the fight is just beginning.
Yep. The seemingly never-ending prologue, and perhaps the first episode are complete, but Greek tragedies usually have three episodes.
Because the director is the EU and the real audience are the voters in Spain and Italy, I bet that the next week or two are going to be a real shitshow in Greece; the Greeks better batten down the hatches.
So endeth the stasima . . .
Congratulations, Carl. Greece is leading the way for the whole 'west'. Today you should celebrate, for tomorrow you must get to work -- and someday soon, the rest of the 'western' world follows in your footsteps. Oxi: Opa!
Hopefully there is no sudden change to yes. Until it is all added up, I won't discount that "development".
Please check out this link and how the MSM tries to hide the truth:
Large German papaer Die Welt postetd an online vote, Do you want more or less Europe? prominently on the top of their web page....
Well, last count 78 percent of Germans voted with LESS EUROPE!
Wake up call? I would say so. Of course, the vote and link have disappeared from the home page in the meantime....
http://www.welt.de/politik/article143486593/Wieviel-Europa-wollen-Sie.html
(weniger means less, mehr means more)
I hope Sweden wakes up to this EU nightmare soon! They don't have the Euro, but they have most everything else! The people up there don't need the fucking EU, all they need is a free trade zone. You don't need Brussels dictatorship in order to have a common European trade zone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqafQVNkyN4
(Covers Greece about every five minutes live.)
Thanks! Interesting to see the Murdock take on this.
Here is a link to most tv channels, worldwide, for free. Some of the film channels aren't operative but I reckon most of the rest are.
Caveat: install your adblock!
http://www.myp2pguide.com/
6 Greek TV channels predict a NO victory!
DAX pre -market in the red: http://www.boerse.de/indizes/LundS-DAX/DE000LUSDAX6#
Greece should do an "Iceland." Arrest the bankers & say Fuck you to the piece of shit Criminal Troika, IMF & Criminal Federal Reserve.
Like Iceland, it will be a short term crises. However, Greece has the backing of Russia, China & the newly formed AIIB.
The Greeks do have an economy...scrap the Euro and their tourism business will skyrocket. That will help a little. But....I do not think Iceland model will apply exactly here. The Greek welfare state is like the US welfare state...it's dependence is woven into their lives deeply. It's going to be grin-and-bear-it for years to come. The important thing will be the total eradication of the Euro Debt...bankrupt, noncollateralized loans, give it back....and start over.
They need to go after the politicians who sat on the other side of the table from the bankers as well. The agreements did have two sides. One of the sides, however, was not the Greek people, but the leeches at the top using "the people's" name to enrich themselves. Those individuals need to be found and held accountable.
Where the fuck are all the loser Keynsians?
Well, Bernanke's busy tweeting, and Yellen is washing his hair, and the entire city of Brussels has declared a 'national day of mourning', and Haifa/Alexandrians are coordinating a 'rapid response' false-flag attack in Athens, and...
Well this won't work. Better get those ballot boxes "recounted".
A quote by Stalin comes to mind.
Unless this is meant to unravel.
'TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLySXTIBS3c
As another poster said, 'OXI counting'...
Before reading this, just know that I've been reading ZH since day one, I support totally free markets, I don't trust any banks, and I may or may not stack precious metals.
I used to laugh at the banksters and get excited for stuff like this. People rising up? Awesome. Markets might tank? Sweet! A lot of times, I used to try and play the market, but got burned a few times so I gave it up years ago.
But thinking it through, is anyone else just plain scared of what might happen here? Not just in Greece, but everywhere else? Everyone is so deep in debt, and markets are manipulated everywhere from FX to bonds to stocks to precious metals.
We pretty much know governments have only a few tools: inflation, taxation, and overt violence. It seems we are either at, or near the limits of the first two. The markets are phony and fake, and I agree they will ultimately be a lot lower, but what happens then? Real people depend on some sort of financial stability to live their daily lives. Virtually everyone needs to have access to a working ATM, credit or debit card in order to survive. I don't agree with the system but it's where we are.
I know it is all a false sense of stability to simply print money endlessly, but when it goes down, not just millions but billions of people will be adversely affected. I know the transition has to happen eventually, and I wish it happened earlier (2008, 2001 were good chances but people embraced the banks instead of freedom), but I don't think the transition from where we are to where we are headed will be nearly as peaceful as anyone hopes.
I've done almost all I can. I've educated myself, paid down debt, tried to educate others (podcast, blog, Facebook comments, real life conversations, convincing close friends and family to buy metals). I don't feel safe anymore in the US, but I don't know what to do or where to go.
And all of this with Jade Helm right around the corner, TPP being fast tracked, the Fed supposedly raising rates, and the whole confederate flag/gay marriage distraction to boot. I just don't think it's gonna matter how "awake" you are, or how much cash, food, water, or PMs you have stacked if things actually get violent.
Anyone else feel this way?
Excellent post; you voice the feelings of many. It could get very nasty. Remember, TPTB try to come off as organized, but they too are chaotic. They want you to believe they have control. We are on the precipice of losing all control. Stay local and be neighborly. You've done all you can. They try to project that most people think as the army of narcissists on Farcebook, but the majority are as we are. People want freedom to thrive and be left alone. Believe this and communicate it for solidarity. Help one another so the tit of government is not seen as savior, which would secure slavery.
I agree with some of that, but I don't think it matters much what "we the people" want. And I don't even mean that in the sense that we should go back to the Constitution. I want true freedom. Government control of laws, police, and courts has given them the ability to manufacture spin and the vast majority eats it right up. Sure, some are seeing things like rampant police violence, but most still support them. I'm not against the idea of police, or law, but with government in charge, will it really ever be fair to the common person?
I also think technology has advanced to the point where they are close to, if not already beyond, the point of becoming very organized and efficient. As I said in 2012 during some sort of budget battle or debt limit debate: Do people really want more efficient government? That just means more efficient spying, looting, and killing. No thanks.
But you read about things like smart bullets (bullets that can change direction mid air to hit "strategic" targets), and it just makes you wonder. Not to mention all the data that they admit they are collecting. The longer it goes on, the more dirt they have on everyone, the more efficient they are at collecting and analyzing it, and the more accustomed people become to it. Not good.
We pray for a collapse, full well knowing that there will be pain, suffering, and death for thousands, if not millions of Americans. I don't believe any of us want that, but we know the pain of collapse will be exponentially worse the longer it is delayed. The forest needs to burn and purge itself of dead trees and underbrush every now and then so that life can continue and thrive.
The suffering is inevitable. It's time to pull off the Band-Aid.
"I also think technology has advanced to the point where they are close to, if not already beyond, the point of becoming very organized and efficient."
And look at this, if you haven't seen it already: "Artificial Intelligence Takes the Battlefield: Who Is Really Running Jade Helm 15?"
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/artificial-intelligence-takes-the-battlefield-who-is-really-running-jade-helm-15_072015
I used to harumph at all the articles about AI and Elon Musk's controversial warnings. But now it seems really to be upon us. My attitude has become, God made me, I will take the evil with the good. I can prepare as far as is possible, but God is sovereign and in control.
That may not give you much consolation, but it does to me.
Just incredible information 'DJ' describes.
I seem to remember an incident at a Nevada ranch where a very small few made this supposedly leviathan government that has Skynet tech tuck tail and run. You give them WAY too much credence.
You are assuming a more efficient and effective response than is warranted. It took thousands of resources 4 days to identify and capture the Boston Marathon bombers. Who were only caught after murdering an MIT police officer and slipping up where the guy whose car they hi-jacked could make a 911 call. If the brothers had just taken off to Canada or another country the day of the bombing, they never would have been caught. If they had another 19 teams around the US doing similar bombings on the same day, the Feds and local PDs would have been overwhelmed.
Resources will get overwhelmed. The NOPD melted away in New Orleans after Katrina - were taking care of their own families. It took a lot of outside resources to restore order. If it is all hitting the fan everywhere at the same time, the system will quickly get overwhelmed. Then neighbors and your own prep will make all the difference.
Your statements and fears are well-founded, and your worst fears are FAR less than the reality of the current situation.
It's best to prepare for the worst (but pray and hope for the best); but at the same time don't give up on the power of the people who are RISING FROM THEIR COLLECTIVE SLUMBER.
I recall the name 'Larry David' as being associated with the production of the television show 'Seinfeld'. Producer, exexutive producer, head writer; something like that.
People talk about 'the first domino to fall', but rarely consider that it can fall in MORE THAN ONE direction. It is always DARKEST, just before the dawn. HELL, another 'Carrington Event' would wipe out all the 'smart tech' in a FLASH.
For better or worse, the Greek people (as a majority) are SICK of the Euro side of the Banker Oligarchy and false promises associated with Usury. You'd best be paying attention to this fact, instead of worrying about what 'might' happen as a result.
Iceland and Greece, the FIRST TWO dominoes to fall!
There IS hope...
And fact that you will die and there is no way out of it - doesn't bother you?
Life has never been safe.
Feel free to get the ball rolling you fucking asshat.
Fucks like you will be the first discarded.
Dying naturally is one thing. Even dying in an accident is something that most people sort of accept and deal with. If it happens, it happens. But when you've been lied to, robbed, held down, and fucked over for so long, you start to get angry. But being angry is not the same as being violent. I'm not a violent type of person, but the ones in control certainly are.
That's it...
FIRST, you've got to get MAD!
'Pre-predictive Programming', via 'Network' (1976):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE
And fact that you will die and there is no way out of it - doesn't bother you?
No. I WELCOME IT.
To live you only have to die.
Do you know Jesus? If you truly do then you do not fear the Physical Death...at all.
Everybody wants to go to Heaven but nobody wants to die? Bullshit.
I will be singing hymns on the way to the guillotines.
Let the lies and corruption, along with Satan, be destroyed.
Yes.
"I know the transition has to happen eventually, and I wish it happened earlier (2008, 2001 were good chances but people embraced the banks instead of freedom), but I don't think the transition from where we are to where we are headed will be nearly as peaceful as anyone hopes."
I get what you are saying. But wishing it happened earlier kind of proves that sooner is better than later, even now. 7 or 8 years from now you'll look back and add 2015 to the list of good opportunities.
Very true. I'm not saying a reset now is bad, IF IT IS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN NATURALLY. This means actual price discovery not just in metals, but in things like real estate, oil, stocks, bonds, derivatives, Bitcoin, food, and everything else. The problem is, those in control (gov/central banks) CANNOT let that happen for many reasons. Number one is it would expose them as the lying, worthless thieves and murderers they are. Two, it also would bring tremendous pain to billions of people who depend on things working they way they do. Even people like me, who have tried to distance myself from the system, would be screwed if it collapsed. My income would be crushed, at least temporarily. So if the choice is to let it collapse and get some sort of normal price discovery, or do something like a false flag or wage war to cover up their failures, I think we all know which option they will choose.
"IF IT IS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN NATURALLY."
It will never happen "naturally". Among the human population has always been and will always be (with no reason to see this changing) a percentage of sociopaths who find their way into power/influence structures and thus manipulate people and events to fit their agendas. Unfortunately, that is as natural as the unmanipulated economics I would love to dream about. There is no "clean" system. Radical Marijuana makes this point a lot. Lawyers4Anarchists also makes the point that the abuses of our "rights" have been with us since day one, since long before those rights were on paper, and continuing right on continuously ever since.
It's always a question of proportion. How much abuse versus how much simple human activity? I do hope we're near the end of the spectrum for how much abuse is possible before a reaction sets in. As bad as the reaction will be (your original post), we need at the very least to change the trajectory. Our current direction leads one place, and that's not somewhere I want to go.
So what can we do now? I'm certain the system will not be allowed to collapse and make way for price discovery. Defending yourself against a well trained army, with sci fi levels of technology, and an unlimited budget, and off balance sheet spending, and militarized police, and at least one secret prision is unrealistic. If they want violence, they won't be stopped. People think their guns are going to save them, but we've seen Katrina and Boston and the cops waltzed right on through without any incident. People didn't defend themselves, partly because they were scared of the storm or bombers (maybe a little bit), partly because they didn't really feel threatened. The cops weren't looking for them, so no need to fight. But the very fact that tanks are rolling down your street is reason to be concerned.
And the fact that even if people wanted to, they couldn't defend themselves, is a big deal too. In Boston they were pointing guns at people who were looking out the window. People are overmatched in every sense, and dependent on the very people who are intent on crushing them, financially and otherwise. Sad times we live in.
If we could just get one country, even one the size of Greece, on a truly free market, where people have total freedom, to choose their currency, to choose their police and courts through free market means, things would turn around in a hurry, and provide an example for others to follow. Maybe the new currency is Bitcoin. Maybe it's private, gold/silver backed paper or debit cards (Peter Schiff has these, Americans cannot apply though), maybe it's some sort of hybrid barter system mixed with something we haven't thought of yet. But we have all the technology we need to at least give it a try. Let failing firms and banks fail, and new ones replace them. It's the way to true prosperity.
First off. Technology is brittle. It is inherently fragile. It relies on many things, and when a system has many dependencies it is liable to failure as the dependencies fail.
Learn your Sun Tsu, those that have are a right pain in the arse to defeat. Those that haven't, are easy.
I think you sum up the feelings of millions of people who have learned over time that the banking & political tyranny will come to an end because it must come to an end. Mankind cannot live permanently under a tyranny; it's not in his DNA. Sooner or later he rises up. Too bad the criminals failed to see this. They should have looked back in history and seen that all such evil constructs end in failure.
Who knows the future? Too many permutations to choose from.
The clearest path forward for those in control is violence. Other than inflation and taxation, how else do they survive? How else do they give off the illusion of legitimacy? They need to scare people into submission, before too many realize they've been duped their whole lives.
I've always believed that some problems are so great that one often has to suffer more downside in order for the upside to eventually win. This is clearly the situation Greece is in today. First more downside. Then, with care, ingenuity and imagination, the upside will shine thru free from the Brussels tyranny.
Violence is entirely possible in Greece but if the result is a clear victory for OXI, the opposition may get the message and go quietly.
As pertains to the situation in Greece, the EU banksters will do what banksters always do: they will regroup and find some new entity to turn into the next subprime slime.
You're getting to the heart of it with this comment.
Why has the system developed the way it has, and what other options do we have?
A hundred years ago, most people were still living an agricultural lifestyle. It's amazing to realize how much our culture has changed in such a tremendously short time. People living on a farm have options. They may not be rich, but they will probably not starve, overall. Some will, sure, but the population has a foundation of resources literally sitting under their feet.
In today's world, where billions live in cities? The problems are scary to contemplate. And yes, I'm scared to death when I think about what a collapse might look like.
Where to go? I also have no ideas. Seems like a worldwide problem to me, as all parts of the world have climbed aboard this bandwagon. As much as the US is threatened by fascism, we do still have a resource base (most especially agriculture and WATER(!!!)) that is beter than most other places in the world. That counts for a lot.
Beyond that, there have been several threads where people have discussed the spiritual side to surviving intact what's coming. Find a spiritual center (whatever works for you) and cultivate that. Death is not the worst thing that can happen to a person. A person with true integrity (a tall order which I cannot claim) can live or die with dignity and pride. Work toward that kind of spiritual integrity as a central part of any other preparations you make.
Find others who think like you. That's where your real home is. National identity is nothing compared to communal identity. I hope to meet more like you on the other side, assuming we make it. Good luck.
Every large town has 2 opposing armed, organized, gangs, and when our banks, stores and police close down, the gangs will clean out all the neighborhoods.
What George Carlin said: "There's a 2 party club in charge - and you're not in it."
The only thing preparing does is improve your odds. No guarantees to happiness and success in life.
One of the most reasonable , polite , sensible, real life post i've seen on ZH in a VERY VERY long time.
THANK YOU.
we need more. Way more.
I mean , fuck you jew banksters with 200 exclamation marks is a way to be popular over here , but that won't solve real life issues simple folks have. i hope to see more of your posts over here.
First there ARE NO SOLUTIONS.
You will be impacted by all of this.
There are MANY POSTS on ZH that have given you methods of POSSIBLE AMELIORATION of some of the very dismal outcomes and they are NO GUARANTEE.
Keep a low profile and dress as if you have nothing may be a good start.
Kindness to strangers without showing fear.
You still may be killed in, or worse injured and facing a lingering death, in an SHTF scenario as you may be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If your hope is in anything on this World then you are certain to be disappointed and end up disillusioned if you live through it. You will become "Street Wise" really quick. That is a skill that I suggest everybody who has been insulated and isolated from start developing now.
Walk into the ghettos of your city and watch and see what they do and how they do it. That is what the entire infrastructure will devolve into. If you are not "Street Wise" and aren't willing to learn how to become "Street Wise" until it is forced upon you by circumstance then you will stand no chance as far too many are far too skilled at survival in today's Concrete Jungles.
It may just be a matter of luck if you can see this collapse through to the other side...if there is the other side that is.
For what it's worth, this was my morning's reading.
July 6 AM
"Whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil."
— Proverbs 1:33
Divine love is rendered conspicuous when it I shines in the midst of judgments. Fair is that lone star which smiles through the rifts of the thunder clouds; bright is the oasis which blooms in the wilderness of sand; so fair and so bright is love in the midst of wrath. When the Israelites provoked the Most High by their continued idolatry, He punished them by withholding both dew and rain, so that their land was visited by a sore famine; but while He did this, He took care that His own chosen ones should be secure. If all other brooks are dry, yet shall there be one reserved for Elijah; and when that fails, God shall still preserve for him a place of sustenance; nay, not only so, the Lord had not simply one "Elijah," but He had a remnant according to the election of grace, who were hidden by fifties in a cave, and though the whole land was subject to famine, yet these fifties in the cave were fed, and fed from Ahab's table too by His faithful, God-fearing steward, Obadiah. Let us from this draw the inference, that come what may, God's people are safe. Let convulsions shake the solid earth, let the skies themselves be rent in twain, yet amid the wreck of worlds the believer shall be as secure as in the calmest hour of rest. If God cannot save His people under heaven, He will save them in heaven. If the world becomes too hot to hold them, then heaven shall be the place of their reception and their safety. Be ye then confident, when ye hear of wars, and rumours of wars. Let no agitation distress you, but be quiet from fear of evil. Whatsoever cometh upon the earth, you, beneath the broad wings of Jehovah, shall be secure. Stay yourself upon His promise; rest in His faithfulness, and bid defiance to the blackest future, for there is nothing in it direful for you. Your sole concern should be to show forth to the world the blessedness of hearkening to the voice of wisdom.
Interior ministries website for Greece
14.59% counted 60.24% No
I think Merkel will be off to the dunnie!
I hope result will be NO, Greece will go broke, get out of EURO zone and they will start from a scratch... with their debt...
With their debt? Really?
Well, yes. If you took a loan from someone - you have to pay it back. Or you won't be trusted by anyone and than you will be doomed. Also your property would be seized - in this case everything Greece has outside it.
The point that is finally being admitted, however, is that the debt cannot be repaid. Period. The IMF has let the cat out of the bag (for any who still chose to ignore reality without their seal of approval): Greece is incapable of generating the wealth represented by what they borrowed. It doesn't exist, and it never will. Think about what that means.
"Well, yes. If you took a loan from someone - you have to pay it back."
What if someone took out a loan in my name without my permission, or even my awareness of the fact?
Most of this debt was contracted before the young people of Greece had the vote, or even some notion of what would happen as a result.
Do they also have to pay?
Would you say that ALL WORLD agreements should be put on referendum AGAIN each year so that each youngster who now is 18 years old could speak his mind?
I think it's not physically possible. I think you don't understand how world works. Each generation inherits what previous generation has left - so it's up to you to leave it more better world than you received it - think about it.
I understand how the world works alright. I'm responsible for MY actions, not yours.
Let the people who contracted the debt pay the debt. As a matter of Law, I am in NO WAY responsible for a debt contracted in MY name which doesn't bear MY signature.
The fact that this Self-Evident Truth is routinely violated both in spirit and practice doesn't make it any less true.
As to your first statement on reviewing World Agreements, well yeah. Why not? Circumstances change, and we need a mechanism to reflect that. Just because we didn't have one in the past doesn't mean we don't have one today. I can up or down vote anything here that comes across my screen. It's a small step from there to what you describe. Only a matter of time now that we have the means.
Debt is forgiven in Bankruptcy.
Greece will not owe anybody anything after they declare a Force Majuere...which is what a Sovereign Default is.
Even Russia, that country which you despise, is actually doing rather well considering that they defaulted in 1998...and almost took the United States down with them. Ever read about Long Term Vapital Management (LTCM)?
After the Russian DEFAULT they sold and bought on the World Markets with relative ease...until the USA Government istarted UNJUSTIFIED SANCTIONS in 2013. Putin just STOPPED, or SLOWED, our incursions into Syria at the behest of the Saudi Government.
So we CREATED ISIS as a response. (And we are supposedly the "good guys"?)
You support this shit? You support TERERORISM.
Well Russia certainly is having some problems currently. And I will tell you that I will also be celebrating the collapse of the Bank of Russia...as much as I WILL CELEBRATE THE COLLAPSE OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
And if you have a problem with that I always welcome visitors. Come see me at
12223B Woodside Ave.
Lakeside, CA USA
We can discuss it in person...if you have the God Damned Balls...which you do not.
FUCK THE NSA. FUCK THE CIA...FUCK THE FED.
It's Euro denominated debt. If they don't have any Euros, how the fuck can they pay the bill?
Now brace yourselves for a Zio false flag.
The Chosenites will always triumph
Dinosaurs once roamed the Earth.
With about 10 percent of the vote counted, the “No” vote is leading with 59.8 percent to 40.1 percent for “Yes” in the Greek referendum, Reuters reported.
Latest coverage is toward the top of the page.
http://rt.com/news/271735-greece-bailout-referendum-euro/
2 weeks from now,when there's no food in the markets,gangs of youths are rampaging in the streets,old folks are begging with tin cups on street corners,and Tsipras is swinging from a lightpole,the Greeks may want to re-count the votes..
All of what you say is a product of central banking, not the abandonment of it. Using real money would have prevented all of this.
Argentina faced a similar crisis some years ago and managed to survive. If they can do it, so can Greece.